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Mapping the X-Fader reverse to an unused button on VCi-300

thebulge 12:12 AM - 14 August, 2010
After playing with a VCI-300, I really am considering selling off my TTM-56 and PDX2000s. I need to downsize my gear, and that little beatuy does almost everything I could ever need without the bulk!. The only thing that is holiding back on this iteration is no hamster switch.

I understand there is a key shortcut, but is it possible for you to remap that to another button in ITCH. I never use the FILES browser, so that button would be a perfect candidate.

I've searched but found no answer.
Kmxorbit 1:53 PM - 14 August, 2010
There is no mapping possibility in Itch.
Itch and its controllers are designed as a "1 on 1 mapped"-devices.
in other words: Every button does what it says, and should work like that out of the box.
kraal 2:58 PM - 14 August, 2010
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There is no mapping possibility in Itch.
Itch and its controllers are designed as a "1 on 1 mapped"-devices.
in other words: Every button does what it says, and should work like that out of the box.

however as it has been shown shift plus a button can be used for extra functions
thebulge 5:34 AM - 15 August, 2010
So you can shift a button and map it to the x-fader reverse?
Kmxorbit 8:13 AM - 15 August, 2010
nope, Serato has to program it. There are additional Shift + button combinations, but only what Serato programs into it.
kraal 8:45 AM - 15 August, 2010
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nope, Serato has to program it. There are additional Shift + button combinations, but only what Serato programs into it.

yeah that
czar 3:34 PM - 15 August, 2010
in other words. If u dont like it go ahem..

in all seriousness, reading about HID and how proprietary it is you could easily understand Serato's "strategy" towards Itch.

Let another controller with vinyl emulation hit market and see where Itch ends.

Serato got themselves into a tight spot and must stay on their toes. =]
czar 3:35 PM - 15 August, 2010
Definitely good for us the consumers =] IMO
kraal 6:09 PM - 15 August, 2010
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Let another controller with vinyl emulation hit market and see where Itch ends.

Serato got themselves into a tight spot and must stay on their toes. =]


one already exist
www.guitarcenter.com
czar 7:55 PM - 15 August, 2010
I thought that one was not real vinyl...

Over $2100 for both decks and a $100 mixer (with 2 yrs extended warranty) u dont need software which is nice if u dont already own a laptop and a software title..

Those Denon decks look nice though I will admit..

I payed 1500 with a 5 yrs warranty for my NS7.. both decks and a good quality mixer (not $100 one but i might be wrong and maybe u can get a good quality mixer for $100?)

The V7 is 599 each plus ~100 for 2 yrs extended warranty. thats around 1400 plus $100 mixer. a little over or under $1500

When we see a controller in the same price range of the NS7, similar build quality, real vinyl and can plug and play with SL, Traktor and VDJ. is what I meant I guess
czar 8:18 PM - 15 August, 2010
Itch 2 might turn the game completely around and I hope so.

The Bridge might be nice because it will potentially bring the studio and the DJ closer but a lot of studio people like pro-tools or ACID, cakewalk, etc. being able to record the mix and go back and tweak things is a winner, that plus a couple more nice features it might make up for the 500..

Now think about traktor, NI can def add any feature to compete and I mean it. They have more features already and could potentially add the record and go-back-to-edit function without a mayor $500 upgrade. Now couple that with a controller in the range of the NS7 with a sound card just as good and pay an extra 300 for Traktor Pro.. say I would pay 1500 for the controller just like I did plus an extra 300 to get everything Traktor already has and can do.. Im not restricted by the controller, I can put to good use my X-session Pro and any cheap controller I might think is worth it to control effects sample bank, etc.

of course this is all theory because the bridge is not out and traktor does not posses the mentioned features yet.
thebulge 11:06 PM - 15 August, 2010
I definitely think that they should have added a couple of "blank buttons" to the VCi-300. I completely understand their 1-1 mapping concept in ITCH though, but DJs do all like a little customisation.

All that being said, I am still very seriously contemplating a VCI-300Mk2 with a non contact fader as a replacement for a bulky traditional setup.

I understand the VCI-300 send midi as well (not sure if it does when connected to ITCH?), so if you were able to capture the midi send from the VCI FILES button with a 3rd party program (MidiPipe?) and map that to a keystroke - being the X-Fader reverse, that would do the job.

Only thing would be that the Files browser would come up when you are in hamster mode, which would be fine as it would serve as a visual aid so you remember it's on. I've installed ITCH, and FILES seems to work as a toggle so this could be a viable solution?

Anyone with a VCI-300 done this or willing to test?
kraal 11:49 PM - 15 August, 2010
there is no keystroke for reverse crossfader......
thebulge 5:58 AM - 16 August, 2010
I just went and played with one in a store,

APPLE-SHIFT-R reverses the X-Fader

So with Midi Pipe it should be possible? After playing with a Mk1 (that was busted - Right platter didn't work properly) I was still sufficently impressed that I think I'll be getting a MK2.

Scary moving from vinyl to a full digital solution after 12 years with turntables!
kraal 6:01 AM - 16 August, 2010
apple shift r does nothing on my vci-300
czar 6:38 AM - 16 August, 2010
thebulge. be careful.. make sure to compare everything feature by feature and making a choice afterward.. right now im jealous of the guy next to me using Scratch Live =] been for a while...
thebulge 7:17 AM - 16 August, 2010
Kraal - update to new version of ITCH?

I know.. there are compromises to be made. I have to get over the fact that the platters don't move, but even after 30 minutes playing with it in the shop I was getting the hang.

The space saving advantage (major issue for me), ease of setup, and the fact that the software knows where your faders are is pretty cool.

In this day and age, having a couple of big bulky turntables and ONLY using them as controllers for software seems a little crazy. It's a whole change of mindset - but I'd like to be on the bleeding edge and stay relevant.

I will hold on to an old 1200 and preamp for recording and listening though. Still love my vinyl, but it just making no sense for performing anymore.
Kmxorbit 7:18 AM - 16 August, 2010
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thebulge. be careful.. make sure to compare everything feature by feature and making a choice afterward...

Correct. If you're comming from turntables, you definitely want to test V7's on your mixer...
thebulge 7:26 AM - 16 August, 2010
I played with the N7, it's a great piece of kit.

But it's not portable enough. A VCI-300 I can just about put on top of a 1200 dust cover, or to the side in pretty much any booth.

V7s (or even worse N7) mean moving existing gear, pluggin in and pluggin out existing gear... all of which I am trying to negate by going the way of the ITCH.
kraal 7:47 AM - 16 August, 2010
correction the new public beta the keystroke for the reversing crossfader doesnt work.

a warning for going to the vci-300 tfrom turntables.... the vci-300 is great and portable but if you are used to manipulating turntables you may want to consider sacrificing setup time for platter functionality..... i have been doing a lot of juggling and using the screen for you cue points does cut into the performance
thebulge 11:05 PM - 16 August, 2010
Surely just an oversight in the public beta. I very much doubt they would be planning on removing features in the next version.

I agree entirely with your concerns, and they are concerns of mine. I really don't dig the way DJs eyes stay glued to the screen when using a VCI-300 - a CDJ style LED sticker marker would make the VCI much better, but as the VCI-300mk2 has only just come out I can assume there won't be a better release for the next year or so.

That being said, I REALLY dig this idea, which is off topic so I've gone over here with it... www.serato.com
thebulge 7:20 AM - 30 August, 2010
So I have a VCI-300MkII on order and it should be here any day now.

Can someone confirm if this CMD-SHIFT-R keystroke is back in 1.7RC3?

I am really keen to have a hamster switch on my VCI-300... and using Midistroke it should be a trivial to implement. I'll just repurpose the "FILES" button.

www.djtechtools.com
kraal 1:24 PM - 30 August, 2010
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Can someone confirm if this CMD-SHIFT-R keystroke is back in 1.7RC3?


currently doesnt work
thebulge 4:43 AM - 8 September, 2010
Well, I got me a 300MKII. Really impressed so far. Only had it a couple of days and very impressed with how easy it was to pickup.

On to the task at hand, can a MIDI guru please assist.

Screenshot.

www.rehrehreh.com

According to me, FILES sends D#4 --- therefore with Midistroke I should be able to map that to the (unofficial) hotkey CMD-SHIFT-R in ITCH 1.5.

As per this guide.

www.djtechtools.com

Any ideas? I'd love an unofficial hamster switch.
thebulge 2:16 AM - 10 September, 2010
Right gang.

Want a hamster switch on VCI-300 (using ITCH 1.5).

As per above guide... and using this table.. www.somascape.org

The magic number for the FILES button (D#4) is 75 in decimal. Pop that in midistroke.

ITCH must be in the foreground, and the files browser will come up... but that serves as a good visual that hamster is on.

Rock out. Now I hope they put the hotkey back in 1.7.1
flash gordon 4:09 AM - 10 September, 2010
Just why on earth would you want to reverse the crossfader? That would totally screw someone up who is mixing... Just sayin
thebulge 4:59 AM - 10 September, 2010
books.google.com.au

en.wikipedia.org

You learn something everyday!
kraal 7:05 AM - 10 September, 2010
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Just why on earth would you want to reverse the crossfader? That would totally screw someone up who is mixing... Just sayin

wow really....
flash gordon 1:27 PM - 10 September, 2010
oh boy...