So whats the problem with it?

The background is that with the delay it is assured that the signal is stable when SSL switches back, otherwise the audio could get messy if the needle is not properly seated back into the groove. Makes sense?

sometimes im in the middle of a mix or blend and it jumps to internal. i need to fix the pitch immediately, not a second later.

also, my left turntable sometimes doesn't switch back when i move the needle.

How about putting the needle one secone earlier on the record if you know you have to move the pitch?

Seriously, I am just trying to understand what the problem is...

I use relative mode. A lot of times when im mixing, i dont move the needle back after every song, especially if im doing a lot of quick mixing.

I'll be in the middle of a set, and i drop a new track. i'm in the middle of beatmatching with the pitch fader (live, not in the headphones) and i look up at the screen and i just jumped into internal mode. so for a second already, my mix is going offbeat. then i have to move the needle, and wait another second for the signal to stablize (not touching the record at all, which is hard when you hear it going off beat). by this time my mix is wrecked and i have to push the record or pull back way too noticeably.

before the delay was implemented i learned how to drop the needle back without having it bounce so i could fix the mix immediately with no messy audio.

I know some people mix differently than others, and you might be goin "well i always know where my needle is, i move it back after every song, i beatmatch before dropping the track live...whatever" but this is how i mix and i liked it without the stablizing delay.

it's not a situation where i see it about to go into internal mode, i dont realize where the needle is on the record until it's too late.

C'mon... how often does that happen that *right* when you beatmatch it jumps to internal mode? And one second, really is not that much that it would wreck your mix, correct it manually.

actually, it happens quite a bit...




if you mean manually press f2 or f7, yeah that's another step that i didn't have to take before the delay was in. If you meant just correct the pitch manually, i do, but i have to wait that second before i can do anything.

Besides, like i said in the first response:


like i said...some people mix differently than others. maybe a slider for how long the delay is would be better? that way you can make it 1s, .5s, 0s, or 3s if you wanted to be safe.

One second... come on. It takes more time for you to realize that it has switched to internal mode.

Another thing I've noticed since they added the 1 second delay is...sometimes I'll move the needle back and forget about the one second delay and start manipulating the vinyl...many times if I manipulate the vinyl before the 1 second delay is over, it won't jump back into relative mode at all.

I definately second the ability to turn this new delay off, or at least fix that issue.

sounds like a job for "lock groove"

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Glad i'm not the only one

That's because it's not a timed delay. The signal must pass a certain threshold before SSL switches to rel.

What worries me more is the fact that when SSL goes from REL to INT the mix starts to drift a bit. I would like SSL to clearly show me when it automatically goes on INT.

what usually happens for me is that i'll be mixing and without knowing it have jumped into INT mode. But because i was mixing, my pitch will have been way faster or slower than the actual final pitch (if i'm riding the pitch to mix) when it jumps, and when it switches to INT mode, the last pitch it was at is what it switches to.

Yes, I agree, thats a big problem.

You simply have to check where the needle is before starting to beatmatch, every time.
I have problems with SSL going on INT because I use loops and mix for a loooong time - else it wouldn't be a problem for me.
Also, using the B side helps.

I agree, but this wasnt a problem before the new delay, because you could just drop the needle earlier on the record and go on with your mix and not worry about waiting to manipulate the record and get stuck in internal mode.



My b side is warped.

Well... then your a-side is warped as well, isnt it? Unless you have a new type of split-side-vinyl. :)

heh....... b-side is warped.... but A side if not....... how the hell did that happen.. I wish i had vinyl that could warp onone side and not the other

It's probably bowed so that the B side is higher on the outside than the inside...I have a few control records like that...where if you barely touch the record on the b side, it stops, because only the middle of the record is making contact with the platter.

When you then flip to the A side, even though it's also warped...the outside of the record is all making contact with the platter so it reacts normally to manipulation.

... which means both sides are warped.

Exactly... And with a little bending overtime you can correct the issue yourself (well somewhat)

yes, the b side is bowed up, and the a side is warped too, but not warped where it won't work. It doesnt skip at all, but it's warped enough where the b side is unplayable.


Bending doesn't fix anything (I've tried) and last time i tried to do anything more drastic (Oven/Sun method) it ruined the grooves so i'm not planning on doing anything like that anytime soon.

So it means, if you had flat records the problem woult not exist? How about if you buy new records? If you are too chintzy, I will send you a pair... Under one condition.

yes???

lots of times you can fix them tho

This is a funny thread. I can see why you want the option to turn it off, but the way it is implemented now makes too much sense for an option (to me).

I agree that there should be some type of additional "warning" when modes change automatically (like the red box over the deck when you use the 57).

One thing I don't understand about your issue B-Stee is, why doesn't your left deck switch right away? Are your vinyls worn or is the control signal weak? Your argument doesn't hold up too well cause it sounds like user error - not a problem with the program. I'm not taking sides, just trying to see the logic and figure out the best approach for your problem. Maybe the threshold for switching is too high? Maybe they can change the threshold to have it switch a little sooner than the 1 second it takes for yours to switch?

lock groove

I think i just really liked the way the switch back from int to rel was before the delay was implemented. I know the purpose of the delay is to avoid the audio glitches if the needle isn't seated right, but this was never a problem for me. The delay is, though.

When i'm doing a blend of an acapella, you need constant pitch control, so if you lose it for a second when it jumps into emergency internal mode, you can't afford to lose any more time when you move the needle back, so the delay hurts here.

If you forget to wait for the delay and start manipulating the vinyl, it won't switch back to relative mode, sometimes not at all.

If your control vinyl is getting worn, SSL sometimes doesn't move back to relative mode at all.



I'm not looking for workarounds, because this wasn't a problem before, and the problem this was trying to fix never was a problem for me either.


My solution would be to have an adjustable stability knob that would set at what threshold the record must be stable for ssl to switch from int back to relative mode. The knob would be adjustable all the way down to zero (no delay). Or a checkbox to simply disable the delay would be fine for me.




That would be a great idea. i cosign on that one.

Got new control records, and one these ones the A side is warped up!!! So now i'm using the B Side, and i see what u mean. I definitely haven't noticed the problem anymore, but i kind of miss vinyl scroll.

This new second delay annoyed me this weekend at my gigs - especially because im used to manipulating the vinyl after needle dropping back... it just caused an extra reach over to the laptop to hit f2... definitely needs to be an option.

I agree. I hate the 1 second delay. 1 second seems like an eternity when your in the middle of riding the fader.

I meant riding the pitch not the fader.

I liked the way it worked before the delay. I often only realize that I'm in internal mode, when the mix is going off and I go to adjust using the record or pitch. I then notice my needle position. To compensate, lately, I've been moving the needle to the begining of the record between track, as I did when I used absolute mode.

second seems kinda long for stabilization when it probably happens in much less time. How about dropping it down to a half-second...

just get in the habit of moving the needle back after every song. the 2 seconds can't hurt you THAT bad

Something I do (which most probably don't), is if I'm in Relative mode and I'm changing tracks quickly, if I'm cueing a song up (with my hand on the record... about to drop it... you know, when you're scratching or whatever) if I notice the needle is a little close to the edge, I'll move the needle to the beginning of the record while I'm cueing. Even if I'm about to drop it.

As long as you move the needle more than 1 min away from where it was before, the song stays in the same position. Under the 1 min. mark and the "skipless" mode kicks in.

Basically, the way some people move the needle when the song is in internal mode or when the song goes off or before you load the next track... I'll load a track, scratch with it a little bit... getting ready to drop it but will move the needle during that time if needed.

Some of you may know this, but if not it helps. If you didn't know it's just another "opportunity" to move the needle some may not have thought about.