Hm, wow, Christina Aguilera dedicated a song to him on Back to Basics called FUSS (For U Scott Storch.. en.wikipedia.org <- click).

remixmag.com <- another article with another "fancy" Scott picture. Yeaaah :)

Lil Jon called him a biter.

Come on... someone need to break it down for me. Why is Timbaland having beef with him when they worked together before?

That remixmag article is also great for the tech-geek-producers here. Interesting insights (for a producing noob like me at least ;) ).

see when he says 'this is all too easy for me' but its making him money?

im not sure i believe him.

the stuff is so clinical that he does, its soulless, so in that respect yeah - cool, i believe him.

IF - and i mean if - storch wanted to do it for love of music - hed do it for love regardless.

seems to be beggin to me.

Hm, it sounds clean, agreed, but I think at the same time it sounds warm. I like his sound.

i guess because it sounds technically perfect - it puts me off. thats a personal opinion thing.

seems like hes trying to say that hes not doing all he can musically, well - do all you can then. not bein funny hes got enough contacts who would jump on a storch album if he did it... seems like hes trying to appeal to the producers in that statement.

It would be interesting indeed.

you know.

i think hes just generally not my knd of producer... but yknow, gotta rate the ability to make something that sells.

I think Christina's song was "F@ck U Scott Storch"
they had something like beef about some records...

He's certainly a good producer, and has an ear for the stuff... musical genius indeed... just hope that he doesn't become a Kanye thinking everybody owes him something.. hehe... whatever happened to being humble? ;-)

Hey, its his life and he is self-made. I can't hate. He can say whatever he wants. As long as he keeps making hits his opinion will continue to be relevant!

I just don't understand how he can be blazed all the time and still function at such a high level.

after you spark up so much, you become immune to it. I'd hate to hear his work once he decides to stop smokin though...

Not all but some weed smokers I know have lost their mind because they quit...no joke

He looks and sound like they portray him....

A SCHMUCK and an ARROGANT FAGGOT

Keep your 70 million and continue to get head from coked out hookers.......

How can anyone hate? He can up with The Roots from the jump.

fair play to the guy, it's cool that he's a muscician and studyies different types of music.

just because he acts a bit of adick int eh interviews don't mean he is and brilliant peopel are often arrogant about their own talent.

He's made some serious heat as well, i was just checking and i dind't realise how much of his stuff i either own or like.

Yeah, exactly.

BTW, J_Static, nothing wrong bith being gay, how often does that needed to be stressed. If you wanted to say that guy is arrogant and has an ugly taste of clothes I agree ;)

The term FAGGOT wasn't meant to say he is GAY nik, and the term FAGGOT could be used in other ways. I know plenty of gay people who use that term loosely and in different ways.

P.S - I never said there was anything wrong with being gay, sorry to be an asshole but I didn't know this forum made you the head of the "POLITICALLY CORRECT DEPT"

The Roots is a sick group of real musicians and I don't doubt Storchs capabilities of playing all those instruments, but he said it himself, "I didn't want to be the keyboardist in a band"

AKA - "I didn't want to be the TOKEN JEWISH WHITE KID in an all black group.....

Has anyone ever heard the Roots mention Storch????

From wikipedia:


Choose which one you meant.

BTW, I will stand up and speak out what I think, regardless of being part of any dept or not.

---

Back to topic.


Actually I only heard his name being mentioned on The Roots Live cd, that was it. I really didnt know that he was part of the Roots family before I read about it (and I've seen a couple of roots documentations/interviews) But I think he stills means something for the Roots as he has produced at least one song on their latest album.

What I dont understand is... They say Scott charges 80k for a track... I cant imagine the Roots paying 80k for a mass-prodcution track (thats what I consider his hit factory being - mass production [but still dope IMHO]).

Shouldn't believe everything you READ, and pick a BETTER SOURCE....



My point exactly, Roots paying 80k for ONE TRACK, NOPE!!!!! These guys pump out like 90% of their entire albums with live music, why pay dude 80 grand for that sh*t......

Regardless if he was or wasnt a part of the Roots fam, I still think if he was, he was the TOKEN WHITE BOY....... IMHO

A FAG (short term for FAGGOT) used as a slang term for CIGARETTE by the ENGLISH.....

Fag, Faggot, etc. can be used in anyway inside and outside of Wikipedia or a REAL DICTIONARY, like how people came up with different means of using the word NIGGA, or NIGGUH, or NIGGAH.

Still doesn't make using the term in a different way right, since the original version was made as a slanderous term towards a specific gender, color, race, creed, or sexual orientation.

My apologies if I offended you (if you are GAY or just took offense to the word).....

How on earth do jump to that from he didn't want to be the Keyboardist sin a band, he said he didn't liek toruing and that he didn't really want to do just play Key's he wanted to do studio work.

Massive difference int eh conotation you're putting forward.

Oh and a "faggot" in the UK is also a meet ball in gravy.

How many of us fast-forward past his intro in the "Make It Rain (Remix)"?

Who says he's a genius? His sound is weak, he uses the same, basic factory PCM sounds from wack keyboards. He plays basic melodies, and his drums are so anorexic Allie McBeal looks obese.

thats a fair point.

regardless of not liking his commercial stuff... he is capable of being nice.

i forget that its the same cat from the black lily! lol

doesn't fag mean a cigarrette in the u.k.?

yes it does, it also means Faggot as in a ematball a si said above, and it's also used as a derogatory term for a Homosexual, it all depends on the context.

Same as Gay, it traditionally means to be Happy/Merry and has been twisted into a term for a homosexual.

As has Camp, camp is to be flamboyant and showy, but it's been associated with homosexuality for a long time.

This thread is gay... and I don't mean homosexual.

See how easy the term can be used for other than what most people think? That goes for faggot also. This whole politically correctness shit is just out of control.

I hate you yellow!!!

Disclaimer: Yellow is not meant to be used on this post in a bad way, but rather the color yellow that appears on the board for new posts.

:P

lol

Who says he's a genius? His sound is weak, he uses the same, basic factory PCM sounds from wack keyboards. He plays basic melodies, and his drums are so anorexic Allie McBeal looks obese.

His sound was nice when it was first heard. He uses the Motif ES8 for most of his tracks. And that keyboard isn't wack. I own that keyboard and it's a monster. Better sounds than any triton. But yeah he needs to find some new sounds. His basic melodies is what moves dance floors though. Complex melodies don't work in the club. He's using what works and he's raking in the dough. Gotta respect what he does.

I respect anyone who works hard, and gets to where he is from nothing.... I never knew he ran with the Roots. respect for that as well... He obviously has a bread knowlege of music.... But I am not really feeling his music.

Hip-Hop is not using factory, tinny sounds from a mass-produced keyboard that everyone has used since 2002. I remember when Motif's came out. I was working at an Atl Guitar Center. I think it was 2002.

Hip-Hop is sampling. Yes, samples can be played. Anybody know about Roland's Variphrase Technology, used in Roland Fantom's? I was a fan of the earliest user of VP, the rack-mountable VP-9000.

I SEE SIXXX GETS MY POINT, THANKS BRO!

Monk-A: tell me Storch wouldn't have felt like an OUTCAST in an ALL BLACK band as the WHITE KEYBOARDIST in the band....

Read between the lines pal.........

Tour with a band or produce? TOUR! Cuz you can produce as your touring, the Roots among other groups have done just that on the road......

I believe Storch is a hardworker, but I also believe he's gonna turn out like a Pharrell,EVERYONE USES HIM AND ENDS UP WITH THE SAME SOUNDS......Which is B-O-R-I-N-G!!!!

I love Pharrell and glad people backed off of using him constantly, just like everyone is using Timbaland right now. Listen to Timberlake's entire album, each track sounds the same almost.

I like how some people are criticized for what they say but are never recognized for HOW LOUD THEY SAY IT.

YOU KNOW

Chancho. When you are a man, sometimes you wear stretchy pants in your room...Eet's for fun.

unfortunatly i'm not prepared to read between the lines because it menas peopel liek you jump to conclusions. You're making a borderline racist comment about the guy based on an assumption.




no he said he'd RATHER produce in the Studio then tour. Not that he couldn't do both. He said he didn't want to o both as he dosen't liek touring.

Touring is not for everyone it's very hard and a lot of people find it depressing to be away from family, friends and living out of hotels for a long period of time.

Most people don't produce well whilst touring, writing songs yeah? but thats different to Producing when you need to be in a specific environment and focus on specific elements of tracks, the two are quite different disciplines.

And when you generally hear of poeple producing stuff on the road it means they shot off to nearest high quality the studio for a couple of days not that they sat on the bus recording their vocals and mixing down a drum snare.




well 99% of producers do that, most have a sound. even pop music producrs have a sound, Motown was renowned for it's sound - which all came from how it's production team tackled recording.


success is infectious everyone wants it, it's really down to the individual to decide "no" and back themselves off - but to do that you need the money to pick and choose our stuff.

thats what Teddy riley and Jam and lewis all did, backed off and do whatthey want when tehy want.

Agreeing.



To add, Scott specifically said in an interview that he likes the feeling waking up in the same place and knowing what to expect, rather than waking up in some random hotel room.

i dont think hes meaning to be racist... i just think hes crap at structuring reasonable arguments.

Then I am crap at understandung unstructered arguements ;) My english sux, I know.

lol...

The "sound" argument doesn't work with me. Most "producers" must just be intellectually lazy.

I know, because I've made many tracks for myself, and they all sounded very different.

It may be have been simple: different drums, patterns, sounds and melodies = different "sound".

And yet they are the ones who've blown up have a full time career in music production and you're stuck here talking about how "different" your tracks all were?

It's a misconctrued perception that peopel liek the Neptunes Timbaland et al sound is simple. It's really really not, you just gotta know what your listening for to realise that.

The guys from Chic made a lot of records prodcued people from Diana Ros to Carly Simon to Madonna every record is different Madonnas "into the groove" dosen't sound like "i'm coming" out or "good times" or "why?", yet they all have THAT Chic Sound.

I don't think he's meaning to be racisst i just thought i'd point out how it reads.

Yes they are. That's why they are sample free nowadays. They tweak them but they are using samples less and less for radio tunes. Check out this video and see what factory sounds he's using for those hits. The Motic ES8, not the standard motif from 2002.
Watchyoutube.com

Thousands of every Motif have been made. There everywhere. I don't care what model it is.

If you knew anything about sampling, you'd know probably 99% of samples aren't cleared.

How many sample credits are on Gang Starr albums, maybe 5-15? Yet, Premier may use that many different samples per song (not album).

Why, because most of his samples are too short for anyone to know the difference. Plus, he knows what he can get away with.

Also, I can only remember one producer who was dumb enough to clear drum samples. (I'm sure there have been more than one.)

Keyboard kicks and snares are sissy... period.

I don't care if you don't like my definition of sissy.

Clarkapedia defines sissy as sissy. Get over it.

www.urbandictionary.com

refer to definition #2

LOL !!!!!

I thought you were talking about current hip hop, not 90's stuff. I know ALOT about sampling. I know they don't use keyboard kicks and snares, but yes they can and some do. I know for a fact lil jon uses some of them. All it takes is some compression, some eqing, and some creativity to get the kicks and snares you need. I'm talking synth noises and pianos and such. But as for kicks and snares I'm with you on that. I use all sorts of producer packs with sampled kicks. Nobody in the industry even thinks about clearing a kick or snare, they don't because it's impossible to tell where, when, or how it came about. That's not what I'm talking about. Even a hit(musical hit/note) from a older song is easy to sample but once again, too hard to win in court so it's not an issue. Copyright infringement is mostly melodies. So as far as sampling kicks and snares, yes 99% are sampled from somewhere but the most of the rest is made up and sample free. That's why I like older hip hop, I love the way they used samples. That's what lacks in todays hip hop IMO.

^^^^ Amen brother! There are a select few who still do it this way.

Wow I'm being tagteamed!!!!!

I'm not a racist nor making a BORDERLINE RACIST STATEMENT! And reading between the lines means read between the lines written by STORCH u F*CKS!!!

I've read alot of article's about Storch and interviews as well and he always seems to have a DOUBLE MEANING to his statements!!!

P.S. There was no arguement, I made a comment that obviously offended someone (NIK39), and just like everyone else who makes comments in here or inputs there .02 cents, others want to disagree.....

Children that's the beauty of this forum, we can disagree with one another cuz opinions are like a$$holes, everyone's got ONE! And we can agree to DISAGREE.

No you're not racist and your making a comment about someone elses racial beliefs because you've jumped to conclusions by reading between the lines of someone elses words.

How did I comment on someone else's racial belief's when I just mentioned he was a Jew. I have nothing against Jews, etc. etc.

Monk-A: Have you ever heard of DOUBLE MEANING. If not, go back to school and ask a professor what it means....

This is begining to sound like those schools where a mad kid comes in one day and shoots everybody ......

Ima start coming to school with a bullet proof vest ....

hahahaha

have you ever heard of listening?

you practically just confirmed what he said!

Hahaha S42000, COLUMBINE the SSL FORUM VERSION.....HAHAHA LOL!

Damn SweetL your in here too, can't I ever get away from you, hahaha J/K

I'm gonna nominate SweetL for the "Most Annoying SSL Forum Member for 2007"

J/K

I love this forum and you all as well

I'm taking my monitor hostage!!!!!!!!!

BLAM! BLAM! BLAM!!!

There we go... another funky picture from Scott Storch

img131.imagevenue.com

nosysnoop.wordpress.com <- click thats the "story".

So, he's a Jewish gang banger, now? ... with those tight space pants on?

Who knows... but did he produce "Genie in a Bottle" for Christina?

I don't think so.

dj clark...comparing yourself to scott storch is hillarious!

i know some producers that make beats for actual rappers that go on actual albums, and amazingly, rappers always choose the beat that sounds like everybody elses shit...

i remember when everybody wanted a beat that sounded like dj premier did it...

rappers are the worst.

I had a beat demo cd I was shopping around Houston a 3-4 years back. The feedback I got from nearly everyone was that it sounded too "old school" or "too 80s."

18 months later, guess what everything sounded like? Totally naked beats featuring a big gated-verb kick and giant clap sounds. Was I heralded as a visionary? No. I was called a copycat producer making beats that sounded like everyone else's.

Sigh. Sometimes you just can't win.

WTF are you talking about? I wouldn't want to be like Scott Storch.

Scott Storch < Kanye

Ego wise?

Scott Storch = Glorified Pianist...

nah that was this mountain-climber-who-plays-an-electric-guitar type dude. 32nd note kick drum patterns etc...

en.wikipedia.org <- click.

So who is the mountain climber... David Frank or Steve Kipner?

David Frank was who I was thinking of- emusician.com

Wow... impressive, esp. if you consider how old the last song is.

Thanks for the link, Josh. I love reading about musicians.

Syk39 your quote reminds me of that GIVE IT TO ME song with Timbaland, Nelly Furtado and Justin Timberlake cuz they saying the same sh*t....

Nik39 that is impressive, Phil Collins "Sussudio" And Chaka's "I feel for you" are sick old school tracks

is that really Stevie Wonder playing harmonica in "I feel for you"?

Supposedly it is, that's what I've been told....

That's another artist I would love to meet before he passes on, I missed the chance to meet James Brown before he died......

in that case I better buy tickets to see Prince @ the Rio in Vegas before he croaks from some high-heel related accident

hahahaha, thats a good one. My father met that prick, he says prince is a str8 A**HOLE!!!

??
Sorry, I dont know what song youre talkin about,

research it, its a POP diss track against Storch

Uh, Sir, those are very impressive accomplishments. They were two of the best songs, well produced, tracks of the 80's.

Listen to your twin, SYK--he knows.

Did I say anything different?

Uh, yes you did. Plus, you made fun of my hair-style and my car, all in one breath.

Don't get banned.

I own a banning monkey. He enjoys his job.

No... Production wise imo. What's Scott Storch's best beat? Lean Back? He's talented, he just hasn't done anything that memorable to me.

Okay, you have to get loose of the .. things you take ;)

Scott is no less than a million times better than Kanye.
I think he's done more than you realize.

Classic Clark funniness!!!

You deserve an eternal banishment from this forum and probably four other forums.

if this list is accurate then I dare say that there are some tracks on here that I really liked that I didn't know were produced by Storch.

Whether or not he's better than Kanye...dunno. I'll take a kanye beat any day. But dayum, this guy seems to get a lot of work

forgot to post the link to the list :P

en.wikipedia.org

Kanye got old fast. his new stuff is old before anyone hears it

how long was gold digger popular? how long was dre's stuff popular? I’d rather listen to stuff off of the Chronic than anything on Kanye's 8 track. he can rhyme, but i think the black eyed peas can rhyme even better. or if you listen to Eminim you forget all about any talent that kanye thinks he has. celebrities don’t even like him

whether celebs like him or not has nothing to do with my personal taste. I'm not even arguing about his rhyming ability, I thought this discussion was about beats and production?

scott storch is a better producer than kanye from a technical standpoint...

but i prefer kanye.

Storch waters down his compositions to appeal to the largest audience possible, he says so in that article. I would be surprised/disappointed if kanye west wasn't guilty of the same thing, especially given how good some of his earlier stuff was...

Don't believe everything you read, Josh-e-pooh.

BRING OUT THE BANNING MONKEY

Never use to be a big fan of his work but after hearing what he can do on the doctors advocate (the game) i have massive respect for the man

i agree with you.

imo kanye has never been a wonderful producer - hes just a genius cratedigger...

Most of the big producers pay others to dig for them. I know people whom have sold to Kanyeezel.

The question is who are the producers who use record monkeys to think for them, and which ones use record monkeys just to fetch for them?

I know many record monkeys, here in Atl.

ATL has a lot of talent (and fine women)! and that may be an understatment...

FREAK-NIK ANYONE...... Wish the city would bring that party back!!!!

U ain't been to a real party till you been to FREAK-NIK, str8 got the highways on lockdown trying to get to that show, str8 parking lot on the highway, b*tches everywhere.......

Freak-nik39 sounds good :)

All-Star weekend was reportedly a "Freak-nik."

Is it ironic that "picnic" derived from "pick a n----r;" and Freak-nik came from "picnic"?

I'm offended.

well yeah that too... could just be an excuse for being the rubbish-du-jour...

I'm going to assume you aren't being serious. Based on your other comments, you sound like a Kanye hater. Who cares about who likes him? Celebs or not. As far as Storch being a million times better... Can you (or anyone) name a single Scott Storch beat that was better than Kanye's "Get By" for Talib Kweli? I sure can't. As far as the BEP's being better rhymers... eh. Fuck it.

Kanye vs. Storch. I think that Storch's stuff sticks around longer. Kanye has some stuff thats dope, but at the same time its like a lamborghini that flys by at 200 mph... wow that was cool... what was it?

Kanye's shit is musically better but Storch's shit is more for the clubs IMO. I still cant stand Storch, he looks like a fag.

^^ U stupid Ryme! Musically... I don't think Storch can hold a candle to Kanye, but.... He uses the overused synth thing too much to me.

i agree. musically i like kanye. (for the most part... i cant stand songs like his "workout plan" song)

Wait till Timbaland vs S. Storch beef will rise. It's closer than You All think...

the reason that kanye would be considered musically better is that he uses samples of musicians who are better than scott storch.

Yeah, well that's "musically better."

Tims quote in "give it to me": I get half a million for my beats, you get a couple grand, I'm respected all the way down to Japan.........I'm a real producer, your just a PIANO MAN....

He's talking about STORCH

Check this "video-article " and figure out what Timbo had on his mind...

www.2dayshiphop.com

and then talk about beefs ;)

waitin' for "Shock Value"

storch doesn't really use samples...am i wrong? At least he's actually creating original pieces...not that i have anything against sampling. But you have to give that monkey lookin storch a little credit i guess.

Ahhhh sh!t. Tim mentioned his named. Though Tim sounds a bit cocky (he is the best??)... I am confident that he will rip Scott apart, esp when Scott said that he is better than tim. Wohooo bring it on :)

Great documentary.

Props to Pharrel for taking social responsibility in his 'block'. Dope.

en.wikipedia.org

I'd say thats due to the fact the Storch doesnt rap and always has the biggest hot garbage rappers on his "doper" tracks.
I'd say imo his best work was with the Roots (Proceed and Mellow my Man) I fucking love those tracks. You can't deny his talent, but comparing him to Kanye is like apples and cucumbers. They are nothing alike.
There are tons of Storch beats out there that I will bump until I die, same goes with Kanye.
I prefer Kanye just to the simple fact I would much rather hear him rapping over his own beats, then hear Fat Joe or Lil Weezy spittin their nonsense all day over Storch beats.
Put Black Thought, Snoop, Meth/Red, over his beats more often then not and it would be a different story.
I'd just say they are both of the top 5 producers in the game right now.

Totally agree. it's not really an argument of who has more talent. they both have their own thing going and have different styles. comparing someone who dances in ballet to someone who does hip-hop would be unfair.

the only real argument is who you like to listen to more. (at least thats my opinion)

By the way when it comes to Kanye - what does He did "fresh" for real ??
use soul samples ?- been there
high pitched voice? - c'mon it's decades old
had his mouth wired and recorded a track - maybe...
make almost same track for John Legend and Talib Kweli ? - Naaah
Stealin drum sounds from Eminem - hmmm...
his Ego- yeah-thats really new...

quotin Pharell from some interviev:
"Kanye make hits - but which of those track that he used wasn't hit before?"

I'm not disrespectin' - simple facts really.

I can't take it, anymore.

Many of you think that sampling has to be "unoriginal". You really must not understand sampling.

Timbaland "plays" samples. He rarely uses pre-made loops. (Yes, I know the controversy.) Do you not understand?

He may sample a single "hit" (single instance of sound), then make a totally different composition. He "chops", while adding keyboard sounds.

Sampled sounds ARE Hip-Hop. Most keyboard sounds are pathetic, especially if they come from the trendier keyboards, which happen to use a simple, old technology, called FM (PCM) synthesis.

Sorry, Korg fans, but most Korgs basically use the same technology as an 80's DX-7.

Motif's and E-mu modules aren't much better.

The better keyboards are the ones that are either truly analog, not an analog "emulator", which are usually older, or from a lesser known, more professional client-centered company, such as Kurzweil, Oberheim, Access or Moog.

Storch uses the same preset sounds from wack keyboards. How old are the quasi-Indian sounds he keeps using?

A "preset patch" is a sound that has been unmodified from the factory. In other words, hundreds of thousands of people could have the same sounds.

No offense to Akon, but I know where to find the "1", "2", "3" sounds he used for the Young Jeezy - "Soul Survivor" track in a Triton. These same sounds have been used thousands of times.

I also know where the Neptunes have countless of their sounds in Korgs and E-mu modules. "Grindin'" was mostly three keys next to each other on a Triton.

Busta Rhymes' "What It Is" can be played on a Triton.

So, what's so "original" about using preset patches? What's original is finding an obscure record, sampling a single hit, then combining with other obscure samples.

Little off topic but worth to look @

www.hiphopdx.com

You know you're my dude Clark, but that might be the most informative break down I've seen you post. You're exactly right, people wrongly assume because they don't hear something recognizable, that it's not a "sample". Sampling doesn't always involve straight lifting, looping and adding drums to a track. There are different levels of it like Clark said.

Some people would be surprised at some tracks that have samples on it. The art of sampling is so diverse.... You can play a sample loop, or you can chop that ish up that is not even reconizable. The cats who can chop it up, but make the new ish sound smooth is hell are the ones I look up to...

^^^ Exactly Scotty.... You're totally right. To me, that's why J Dilla HAS to mentioned among the best producers ever because of how he could shop up songs and create atmosphere around the sample so dope, you would barely be able to recognize the sample in his finished work.

I was listening to his song, "Won't Do" last night at a gig, and I was like, dammit, he made the Isley Bro's "Footsteps in The Dark" sound incredible.

^^^ Funny you say that Limelight... I was going to put J dilla in that last post. won't do is such a smooth track... I have a video of dilla choppin a sample and laying a track together. He was sooo smooth man. I think if people knew a little more about older music that Hip hop came from, they could really appriciate cats like J Dilla, and Pete rock. I have also read various articles by ?!love and some of the beatjunkies getting Dilla beat tapes, and just wondering " How the F*** did he fit all off (insert sample here) into that beat? Donuts almost soulds as if you are listening to a band at times...

Word. That's true. People don't know a lot about music, so it's hard for them to respect it. I wonder if Dilla respected Kanye? They're *somewhat* comparable as far as the soul samples, only Dilla's stuff is much more involved than Kanye's.

True True.... No dissrespect to any if it comes off that way...
In my books, Kanye has a talent, and I like him better than Mr. Storch. It is Kanye's additude that kills it for me.

yeah... he has talent, but is not the best ever, (like he thinks he is.)

i'm tired of hearing anything out of his mouth. if he didnt talk about how good he thinks he is, i may still play some of his songs.

anyone a fan of his stuff thats been getting released recently?

"Uh, don't finish that statement."

--Field Mob

I actually like him and what he does. Production and rhyme-wise. Obviously there's a comparison to him and Dilla because of the fact they both produce and rhyme and are good (Dilla being better) at both.

I am a fan of his Late Registration album for sure. The production is superb. Probably one of the musically best hip-hop albums I've ever heard. I wish there was an instrumental album of it. I think the influence Jon Brion (Fionna Apple, Portishead) had on the album stands out.

As far as his attitude, I'm not a fan of it either. BUT... after having people sh*t on your dreams and tell you can't do something, or won't be accepted, it's easy to be bitter and want to show them otherwise once you make it. I had a club mgr tell me she could never justify hiring me, now that her spot is closed and I see her come to where I spin - I'd like to get Kanye-esque on her, but it's not my style.

Tims gotta point though when he answers Sways question:

Who's some of the best producers out there right now?

ME AND DRE.......

Regardless if he uses samples (Clark!), listen to some of his musical tastes and choices, mentally dude is sick in his choices, his sounds different, granted he recycles beats....

BUT WHO DOESN'T SAMPLE AND RECYCLE BEATS.....?

That interview made me dislike Scotty more than I already do. And the way he looks, dresses, and acts.. is repulsive. If I ever bump into him, I'm kicking him in the groin.

Speaking of (un)original samples, I remember hearing Hips Don't Lie with Wyclef and hearing the same melody from Scratch Roulette, without the percussions of course. Forgive me for not knowing what the actual sample is called.

And if you ever use that part on Scratch Roulette, your listeners will think, oh he's fucking with Hips Don't Lie and disregard the original artist whether or not they knew them.

I spin both 80s and hip-hop and I have to say, us hip-hop heads have bastardized so my songs. The Police's Synchrocity, Cutting Crew, and don't get my started with P Diddles.

Totally agree!

jwho produced Madonna's latest album? a song popped in my head that has the exact same music as an old ABBA song. curious of what ya'll think when they do that with a song

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In that interview Scott says a few down to earth things, looks much more nice.

"Often misunderstood by the media, music is all that matters to Scott:
'I open up the magazine and here is nothing about music in there. Its about my life, its about what I have... Pictures of things that I have, you know...'"

Worth a watch.

^^^he ain't saying much now hes tied up in my trunk:P

Don't hurt him! ;)

Oh he's saying alot while in your trunk, you can't hear him....?

"Mmmmmm, MMmmmmmmPH.!

kanye is a sampler in the purest form of the term. storch is a perfectionist. pointless comparing them.

compare storch to timb.

No.

Storch is a formula rider. Storch couldn't stand in the same building as Timbo's ghost producers.

i didnt say that i thought storch was as good as timbs ghost producers... i said compare storch to timb... timbs beats.. the ones where its just him... im sorry to say... arent that hot.

i dont like storch, his beats are clinical, and they are soulless...

im not a big kanye fan, but only because every time i hear a beat, i cant help but wonder which track hes completely ripping off and sampling this time... not sure iv even ever heard him slice...

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Another article.

Until any of you make it to their level. Stop the hating. They both move the crowd. They both have their own thing going on and you can't compare. And regardless of what SOME of you might think you know about sampling and keyboards. Your wrong. Stop hating or come out with your own million dollar beats.

I think when it comes down to straight hip-hop, Kanye's the better producer. Storch has more "traditional" musical skills (as far as I know Kanye doesn't play keys or guitar or drums or anything like that), but don't get it twisted--sampling takes just as much skill/ability/knowledge as any other method of composition. I have to admit, that comment above about writing "original" stuff with keyboards and shit was quite short-sighted, but it's just an opinion I guess.

Kanye is a much more interesting producer to me and in some senses hip-hop's biggest hope for railing against shitty the hip-hop that's being pumped out these days (have you guys seen the cover of XXL that's out right now?). Yet at the same time, Storch produced "Still Dre"--that gets mad respect from me because that beat is damn-near perfect IMO. It sounds like maybe he "waters down" his sound (or whatever he said) to appeal to a larger audience/client base, but that's no excuse--if that's the case, he has no one to blame but himself.

Clark, this post got my attention (I'm kind of a word nerd). Is this true? Where did you hear this?

en.wikipedia.org :

I think it's wrong. I'll look for more references.

Yeah, I read that--it's part of the reason I wanted to clarify with Clark. Afterwards I also read a similar history in an etymological dictionary.



I don't know man, I think it might be a hoax...

...just checked that wikipedia page and it references that meaning you gave (see under "Language") and explains it for the hoax that it is.

Sorry for the thread hi-jack.

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Done and done. Although I still stand by my thoughts on Storch.

more does NOT equal better

they both look like fags--the gay kind

listening to what kanye has sampled upsets me, because he doesnt slice, he lifts a whole 8 bars, 16 bars, and in the case of jesus walks, the whole damn song..

thats not sampling with creativity. in that respect i prefer storch, even tho i dont like storch.