I'm concerned about the sound quality. Can the moderators/developers address this?

Any difference in sound quality seems unlikely... Are you able to produce some recordings that show the difference so we can check?

How would I go about doin that? I Notice a loss in treble and clairity

The sound quality is definitely different in the new version. More bass and less clarity. I went in early to the club last night and loaded up 1.7 and then 1.6.3 (a few times) and had people listen... they all agreed the old version was better. I don't have 2 serato boxes but whoever does should do a proper test and I'm quite sure they will notice a difference.

James is this possible?

I have to agree that the high-end just doesn't sound as crisp... I have to boost the treble somewhat as well. But, other than that it sounds pretty decent.

I can tell you that when I play the same mp3 file (bypassing SSL), it plays like the mp3 has been given a boost. BUT, within Serato it sounds like it doesn't have all of the dynamics there-- doesn't matter if the file is encoded at 128, 192, or 320, or even a uncompressed wav vile.

If I put 1.6.3 back in do I have to rebulid overviews again? I only have 1.7 in Now.

Every time I try putting in a new version I try having both and the new one overwrites the old one every time shit I have to play 2night

Did you have KeyLock on or off when you were playing spot the difference?

off.

Key Lock was off

Hi James,

No, keylock was off. Running in ABS mode-- which is what I use almost 100% of the time.

Im sticking with 1.6.2 untill I see that this one is resolved.

OK, when you rebuilt your overviews, did you have set auto-gain turned on?

I never rebuilt my overviews for 1.7

I rebuilt mine no auto gain or bpm

I notice in larger files like mix cds... there will be sound spikes, and I used the aotu bpm and gain on all tracks.

Im with u on this one... thats exactly why i dont be switching everytime theres a new version. The new special features and bug fixes are always pointed out but the problems arent. its confusing cuz i thought this was the reason for beta releases, so the final is perfect and stable. Im sticking to my good ol' 1.6.2, it has yet to fail on me, god forbid ;P

1.7.0 is quite weak. didn´t notice this sound-quality-issue but at least that the not-saving-cue-points-problem has not been solved BEFORE dropping the final version (a lot beta-testers were complaining about the issue) is a poor move from serato. i would rather use the 1.7.1 beta than the 1.7.0 "stable"

It's software written by people, it will never be perfect. So, they didn't get all of the bugs worked out like they thought. You have a few very stable versions, just think of 1.7 overall as a beta. It is still more stable than a lot of other programs.

I'm cool with 1.6.2, because I do all my own gains, loops and BPM's, but I try use 1.7 at home to help find bugs.

S

Hi there again James,

No, I wasn't using keylock at the time, and when I built my overviews I do not have autogain nor autobpm turned on. I prefer to set these settings myself. Also, I am runing Windows XP Professional on a laptop.

Regards,
DBlack

thats right. but on the other hand i expect ssl to work as it should (always been one of its big advantages) and it aint a problem for me when a yet unknown bug occours in a final version. BUT serato knew about the cuepoint-saving-issue and they dropped the final without having solved this problem! thats not professional and not what i expect from serato. some inferior products might get updates with new features before all known problems are fixed but people who dont want to wait have the oportunity to use the public beta.

i noticed that when i load up 1.7 final and load a track on either side on the bottom it's saying reading tag!
what's wrong with that? all my overviews are built.
i dont trust 1.7 final yet.im still using 1.6.2 (it's the best version for me so far)

Me 2

Mr Me Too! 1.6.3 is what I'm using works good the wavw form r a little choppy but I need to stop looking @ the screen anyways

Everyone who's had sound quality issues did u rip ur vinyl?

I have ripped my own vinyl yes... I use Adobe Audition 2.0 for the ripping and not the feature built into the SL1. Only thing is that it sounds great any Windows Media Player, Adobe Audition 2, my truck, but just doesn't sound nearly as clean on the high-ends within Serato.

Also, it doesn't matter the mp3 either. I am on some DJ lists and get tracks and it makes no difference. Even those tracks I play in anything outside of Serato sound great, but within Serato sound simply OK.

My mixer is the Rane TTM56-- if that matters, and although I stated it before, I am running Windows XP Pro.

Regards,
DBlack

i don't know if you read any of the threads floating around during NAMM, but this was discussed then.

the ssl team thought they had fixed those issues in the final and that's why it was released.

when people reported continuing issues, they immediately released 1.7.1 beta 1.

i think it was a bit too quick... they should have dropped a beta 3 in my opinion, the complaints in the beta-forum were still continiueing... i suppose it was because of namm...

So no official word on the sound quality issue?

Unless you can produce some recordings of the difference between versions, we can't say anything. We haven't been able to reproduce any difference between them ourselves.

^ James beat me to it...
We're taking reports of sound quality differences very seriously - but until we can hear the difference for ourselves, we can't do anything about it. Recordings would be much appreciated!

I tested 1.7 Beta all last week.. I didnt have any issues. In fact i have never had a issue with serato EVER. from 1.4 to 1.7.

I got to think its your laptops, pc and how there set up. or corrupt files..

I have found out that tags in a song can cause reading issue's. i always reg everything...

Scary stuff very scary stuff ... I'm sticking with 1.6.3 for now ...

It's a subtle difference which when played on my home set up isn't very noticeable so I don't think a recording would reproduce what I hear in the club.

However, my question for the mods is still this:

Has anything been changed (in an attempt to improve or whatever) in the new version that would affect the quality of the audio? If nothing has been changed in that respect then I will chalk it up to my ears deceiving me.

BIGGIE: your input is appreciated but you seem to not have read what I wrote about how changing between 1.6 and 1.7 there is a noticeable difference in sound quality with the same files and same set up.

The short answer is no, we haven't changed anything in regards to the audio quality

Mods...I just too upgraded to 1.7.1 RC2 and notice a sound quality difference from the older versions...

Here is a little, simple test I did.

Setup: Mackie SRM450s, Tech 1200s, Mackie D2, Serato

I am working with the track Lil Wayne - GO DJ.

Real vinyle record on right turntable
Serato mp3 on left turntable
Both gains set the same
When I switch back and forth (between real and mp3 versions) on the intro/chorus I can tell instantly that the real vinyl version has extra low end and mid to it.
The serato mp3 version sounds weak (same volume, just weak)

I am not sure if you can reproduce this.

If not, how would you like me to try and record this.

I have it all set up in my studio so recording should not be a problem, i just want to make sure i give you useful data.

Thanks.

test with an mp3 and real vinyl is pointless

i agree its not a perfect test, but if i do the same with 1.6.3 instead of 1.7.1 RC2, i can't really tell the difference between the mp3 and the real vinyl, which is why serato got the rep it did...cuz it felt AND sounded like real vinyl