that is a great idea:)

Sorry, what do you mean? How does that work?

Its good for DJs who use ABS and REL modes

and it works like this:

I like to cue in ABS mode, so thats what I do. I cue up a new song and play it. Now I want to tap on some cue points and stuff so I switch to REL mode. Im taping away and its all good, but now its time for the next song. I take the needle put it at the front of the record and as soon as I it kicks back into ABS mode. And then I cue up just like normal.

you are in REL
move needle to start
automatically switches to ABS

You know, I was going to post this exact idea up yesterday, but right before I did I realized it would probably be a really bad idea. Let's say you're scratching, and for some reason the needle skips to the outside of the record. The last thing you want it doing is switching to ABS mode!

Mike

well that is exactly the very first thing I would want it to do in that situation




it would be optional, people whos needles skip dont have to use it

wow... great idea.. that would be perfect for me to!!!!

Superb Idea I absoloutely hate it when i pick up the needle drop to zero and it just carries on where i picked it up....

Why don't Searto just hire Akiem on a consultancy basis, he's a full hop skip and a jump ahead of the others :D

Great idea!

So, if you're in the middle of a song and it happens to skip to the outside of the record, you want it to switch back to ABS mode? You'll jump to the very beginning of the track!

But yeah, having it optional would be nice. Honestly, I'd probably use it, too, but it is mildly dangerous if it does skip out.

Mike

Come on.......middle of a song and skipping to the beginning of the track? I can't even do that with my shitty tracking (duuuh) Ortofon Concorde Nightclub E.

Girls have this oh-so-wonderful habit of holding onto the DJ booth while they grind away on their friends or act like they're a supermodel or whatever, all the while rocking the booth back and forth. Or, last week this girl leaned over the decks and her boobs knocked the needle all over the record. Heck, this one girl was so drunk that she almost knocked the decks off the table.. twice! Girls get pretty wild and crazy sometimes, not that I'm complaining or anything ;) good times, good times ;)

Mike

@msoultan

Don't worry.......if those girls are annoying you at your next gig, I'll be happy to rock them back and forth myself! That'll teach 'm!

You know, after re-reading this, I was actually thinking of another feature.

How about this. You're in REL mode, then when you put the needle at the beginning of the record, it jumps to the beginning of the track, but stays in REL. That way you can mess around, but if you need to jump back to the beginning for some reason, you can. Or, if you have have the checkbox checked to start at the first cue point, it will jump to the first cue point.

There are plenty times I'd like to be in REL mode for whatever reason and I want to jump back to the beginning of the track but I don't want to have to touch the laptop to do so. However, I'd still like to stay in REL the whole time.

Mike

absolutely, If Im having that much trouble I would want to move straight back into my comfort zone so I could figure out whats wrong. If the needle is jumping that much who cares about where you are in the song, its way off beat. I would just try to scratch it back in if I had nothing cued. And if I had something cued I would have a nice open space to bring something in clean.





If you needles are jumping that much you should probably switch to INT anyway

word :)

yup. thats kinda where I started thinking of this.

I think I get it...

But I guess it would only work if you started in ABS and THEN went into REL, right? Because if you put a universal switch point at a certain point and you needed to scratch a sound at that point, wouldn't it keep flipping back and forth between ABS and REL?

...maybe I don't get it...

well it wouldnt switch back and fourth, just one way, from REL to ABS.

anytime the needle is below 0 on the vinyl it will automatically swicth into ABS mode. The only way that it gets into REL mode is by you purposefully switching it.

co-sign - im always switching between abs & rel

I would make it optional whether or not it's actually switching to ABS. I'd rather have it such that when I'm in REL mode, I could drop the needle at the beginning of the record (below 0), song resets to the beginning of the track and then I could lift the needle and plop it back in the middle of the control record for some more scratchin without worrying about it skipping off the edge of the record.

Plus, if it only resets to the beginning of the track it allows you to stay in REL the whole night and not have to touch the computer to get back to the beginning of the track (or having to backspin). Plus, you don't have to switch back to REL mode to use the cue points, which was why you were in REL to begin with.

Mike

true that

---> 0 switch on/off
-------> switch to ABS/REL

That sounds good.

How about... if you're in relative mode, and the needle is placed in the lead-in:
Option 1: nothing - just do what it does now
option 2: stay in Rel, but go to start
option 3: switch to Abs

perfect.

Now, just out of curiousity.. why would you want to switch back to ABS. I just don't understand the logic of why you'd want that option.

Thanks!
Mike

I think that would cover everyone Sam... I def would be in option 3.

akiem gets suggestion of the month award :)

plus one to the ABS-->REL mode petition...
This is a dope idea!!

sweet


you should do a real reward, and send folks a t-shirts and vinyls(white)

Got it! Damn, that is a good idea :)

I like this idea too! Why would you want to switch the abs mode when you can keep it in REL mode and jump to beggining? Also if your worried about skipping when you drop the record at the start of the record and it zeros out...all you have to do is move it away some so if it does skip it wont skip all the way to the begging. Just drop, zero it and move fwrd some. Love this idea please do this!

yes, I guess it should be an option, but I wonder why you would really want it to switch from ABS to REL?

This is just a stab at it, but maybe if he needle drops to a spot on the track that he likes, and then wants to scratch on it like crazy without fear of it jumping ???

maybe.. who knows..

hmmm, I see.

There is so many more options in REL mode...if I could quickly reset and start every record back to zero then I would use relative mode alot more. I got the 57 so its not bad for me to switch between the 2. I just switch it using the joy pad between ABS and REL mode. I would rather not have to do that and just have an option to zero it out like you have stated. You can setup a cue point to the begging of a track so it jumps to that..but I want to try this idea.

I usually spin in ABS, but last night I spun the whole time in in REL and I can't say how handy it would have been to be able to pick up the needle and drop it at the beginning of the record to cue it up again after previewing the track. However, I would definitely want the option to be able to stay in REL because my needle would not stay in the groove at the beginning of the record (tried scratching in ABS) because the stupid DJ booth is kinda slanted...

bumper

I almost always spin in ABS mode, I'm so used to cueing records. But it is a pain. Although I think having this option with the lead-in 'security blanket' may give me the nudge to fall out of the nest and try REL mode. Nice idea.

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Why doesnt everyone check the option to start at a cue point or start from the beggining? It seems a lot of people are having issues or trouble with relative mode not going to the begginging.

vio you would have to load the track again.

Oh...ok I see. Whatabout loading the tracks and setting one of the cue points to the beggining? That way you can load it to the start of that cue point or hit the cue button to go back to it.

vio, yeah, but some dont want set cues. I think Akiems suggestion sounds fine. Maybe an option for keeping the current mode, so it does not change to abs mode, but stays in rel mode, but restarts track.

Oh, yeah, just as Sam said.

What if it skips back to the beggining of the track when your playing? Will it then restart the track again? I think this suggestion would be cool for the vinyl flip mode. You can play a track in rel mode, flip the vinyl, place the needle in the beggininig, restart rel mode, and play the next track from the beggining. Just offering some ideas thats all.

Are you guys really concerned about this one in a trillion case issue? How are the chances that the needle skips exactly to the first groove? Or are you talking about about something else vio?

Nik...I was talking about if...and I say if...the record skips on ya and drops to the beggining wont it make it start all over again? Thats all im worried about...but your saying only 1 groove would allow rel mode to go to the beggining? If thats the case then the chances of that happening are very slim.

dude... I dont understand why you are asking the question. YES if the needle skipped to the lead-in the song would start over. Thats what the suggestion is. of course it would be optional if that is not what you want to happen.

I think this could go a long way towards bridging the abs rel devide.

I hope that "lead-in" would include everything before the offset, not just the vinyl lead-in.

loving this suggestion. actually, Sam's idea of staying in REL but jumping back to the start would have to be the winner for me. it's a pain cueing the start of the track in REL mode at the moment - that's why I use ABS mode. this would be the perfect solution.

This would open up the world of relative mode and looping for me - I don't use them at the moment due as there's no easy way to skip back to the start. This would be great, and maybe these ideas could be incorporated too:

1) When the track jumps to the start take care of 12 o'clock. By this I mean if the record is a quarter turn past 12'clock when dropped in any groove of the first minute it should jump to .45 seconds from the start of the track so that when you wind back to 12 o'clock you are bang on the start of the track. This means you will be in relative but your stickers will line up until you lift the needle or hit a loop.

2) Option to jump to one of the cue points instead of the start

1) what if the sticker was always locked to the vinyl?

2) I like that too

what do you mean by 1?

my sticker's always locked to the vinyl - it's stuck on!

the vertual sticker does not always line up with the real sticker in REL mode

why not give us both 2 and 3 ?

The point of my point 1) was to endure that the sticker does line up (at least until you start looping or pick the needle up again). If you drop near the start but with your sticker at 3 o'clock then I'm proposing starting at .45 seconds in so that when you rewind to 12 o'clock then you are bang on the start of the track.

Same with cue points, if you drop with the records at 11 o'clock at say 3 minute in and you've got a cue at say 3 minutes 10 it should jump to just before the cue point so that when you spin it round to 12 it is dead on the cue point.

It would be like traditional battling with stickers except you could play through the stickers now cos they're virtual :-)

Johnny 1 Move, check this out, what do think?

www.scratchlive.net

I don't see any of those being quite what I'm talking aabout.

I'm saying when you needle drop near a cue point that the virtual sticker should jump to the same rotation as the sticker on the vinyl so they are synced, and that the audio should not jump to the cue point but to a point within one half rotation (either forward or backward depending) so that you are close to the cue point but stickers.

So you can needle drop to a cue point, stay in relative mode and have synced virtual and real stickers.

What I'm aiming for really is to not look at the screen and know that you can drop to a cue point and the cue point will always be twelve o'clock on the real sticker on the vinyl.

Does one of your modes do that? If so then sorry I didn't follow the description :-) If you don't cover it it could probably be incorporated

Am I making sense?

sort of.

what if in REL the virtual sticker and the real sticker on the vinyl were always synced, no mater what. it doesnt mater where you needle drop, or what cue point you hit.

that would be "True Sticker / Skipless"



the word "skipless" has been confusing people, its what Ive used to describe how REL lets you skip grooves without changing song position

Yep - I'm with you now. So the only refinement I would like to see to your modes is to an addition to your "True Sticker / Skipless" mode jump to the cue points when needle dropping near a cue point.

With thi idea I don't think I would ever need to switch modes :-)

oh and BTW I and i'm not even thinking about the behaviour when you select a cue point on the pc. I see that as different logic.

I think that when you're hitting buttons on the PC then the virtual decks should make sense, when you pick the needle up and drop again then the sticker on the turntable should make sense. I think what I'm talking about is a subtle variation of your modes....

This could get very messy :-)

yes, absolutly.
thats my goal too, never switching modes!

I've just thought of a clearer way to explain what I want!

I would like a mode that when I drop near the start, no matter which exact groove I drop in, when I move the record to 12 o'clock then the I am at the exact start of the tune.

Playing forward should be in "relative" mode (but the sticker drift fix will mean that should the record skip the stickers will still make sense).

I won't pick the needle up again until after the tune has finished playing (if it's long and the needle gets to the start then it will enter emergency internal like now).

If I do it should make sure that the virtual tables line up with the real stickers

To take care of cue points..

If I've got a cue set at the start of e.g. the chorus and I needle drop to within say 30 seconds of the start of the chorus, Serato should line up so that when I move the sticker to 12 o'clock I am exactly the start of the chorus.

What the virtual turntable are doing doesn't really matter but they would be synced all the way up till now. Hitting a cue button on the pc or hitting a loop would then de-align the virtual tables and real tables, until you pick up and replace the needle.

check this thread www.scratchlive.net

Yes that's it :-)

key?

¿qué?

bump?

bump bump bump.... bump bump it up!

ctrl + left arrow or right arrow re-loads the track onto whichever deck you arrow it to.

and your point is what?

if you're in relative mode and you don't even want to pick up your needle to reload the track, make sure the 'lock playing deck' is unchecked and ctrl + left arrow or right arrow to start the track over. problem solved.

the whole point here is so we don't have to touch the computer, especially if it's kinda far away - we all know about the keyboard shortcut to (re)load a track. This way we can just move the needle to the beginning and it automatically goes to the start of the track.

exactly... thats why i said Whats your point to the other guys post

I figured he didn't know why we wanted this feature, so I might as well fill him in. But I apologize as "and your point is what?" was probably equally as informative.

no worries. as long as they give us exactly what we want, they may live.

you know i though.. maybe in addition to this you could have an optin in the set up menu to have SSL switch to rel. mode after the 1 min mark on the SSL vinyl..... then you could put your needle at the beginingon the vinyl and go to absolute mode and after i min of play it goes to rel mode... and put it as an option in the set up screen so those who dont like it can make it so you can use only the auto absolute mode, auto rel mode, or both. And someone said that the set up screen is too full as it is now... why not add a diff set up screen just for stuff like this.. you get to it by holding down the ctrl or option (alt) keys while clicking the set up button.

Or you could have a seperate file in the scratchlive folder that you can execute to bring up an on screen options menu.

word

I’m playing with CD’s and I want to start from my cue point in REL mode.
When I’m mixing I like to start the song from my cue point one or two times to hear that the beat match the song before I make the mix, or I want to play it in some second some times before I let it go. That means that I want ScrachLIVE to go to my cue point when I press cue on my Denon CD-player in REL mode. Then I can play it from there by pressing cue and play over and over again :-)

an option to jump to the beguinning of the track when needle dropping at the very beguinning of the vinyl could be a good feature.

... althoug maybe the set up screen is starting to get bloated with options... anyways, i would like it.

thats why i say have a 2nd set-up screen that you get to by holding down option or controll while hitting the the set-up button.. keep the basic caliblation type stuff on the maqin set-up screen.. and the optional convenience type settings on the 2nd set-up screen

How about having the option if you take the needle right back to 0, it would cue from the the your first cue point if you have set it , if not else from the beginning of the track!

that would help me convert to rel mode a lot more. Whats new with new control record for relative not moving on groove (needle stays in same spot forever)

yup, thats what Im trying to do, convert to REL.


new vinyl? lock groove? say something right thur --> scratchlive.net

IN ADDITION TO AKIEM:

Woke up from a dream w/ this...

You can scroll through crates with the inside groove of the A side of the current vinyl. Well, what if there were a few sections of patterns on the vinyl like this in succession; for crate, another for subcrate, another for sub-sub crate and another for track selection. basically like using the joystick on a 57. so potentially 3 or more sections for scrolling. pick the needle up and move it to the next section (basically like using the tab button). then place the needle at the beginning of the A side to select that track like normal. with the shortened playing track, there could be a lock groove to prevent the needle from going into the sections and serato will go into rel/auto mode to prevent track runoff and new track selection.

sorry if this was already suggested.

Great idea man! This would be fantastic and make touching the keyboard for this one less thing to do while spinning.

bump

I DON'T BELEIVE IT!!! I though I was a genius for thinking of this exact Idea a coulpe of days ago i my head!! At least seeing people already chatting about it reassures me that it was a good idea even If I was beaten to it!

Well done AKIEM, but, similar to what Mike said, It think it shouldn't even change into ABS mode, this should just be an improved feature for REL.

Also it needs to make the (virtual ABS) switch a few seconds before 0 so your well and truely in REL as your scratching beat 1 back and forth over 0. Does that make sense?

I just have this vision of my computer processer exploding as it try's to (virtually) change modes 1000 times a second while I'm executing the shiver scratch on a sound that sits right at 0. Ha Ha!!! (maybe 1000 is optimistic!)

SERATO PLEASE DO THIS!!!!!!!

LOTS OF LOVE - adam aka A.Skillz

I guess I don't understand what is so hard about hitting the cue point at the beginning of the track. I've tried both, and going back to the beginning of the track and re-cueing isn't anywhere near as fast as hitting 1 or 6 on the laptop. Little stuff like this smells to me a lot like feature creep. I've already noticed Serato getting slower as the builds increase, and that's without many of the little features like this. I can appreciate people wanting Serato to be the end all be all of dj tools, but it's not designed that way, and as you add more features, it just gets more and more bloated. For instance, the next song on flip seems purely cosmetic. Great, a DJ gets to look like they're doing something. To me, I don't have time to flip the record between songs, and it's just one more option making Serato larger and more resource intensive, even if it's not turned on. Something as insignificant as hitting 1 or 6 as opposed to adding another feature that most of us won't use, and takes up more resources, just doesn't make much sense in my mind. Unfortunately, the only way to get the core benefits of upgrading (better corrupt file detection, better stability, etc.) is to install the bloated upgrade. I think the latest build is great. It's probably the best so far, but definitely could do without some insignificant features if it would net gains in other areas.

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JonathanChimpo, I understand where your coming from, and I even agree about flip next song. BUT, I think this is something entirely different.

For one I think its important to be able to run SSL without touching the laptop, like I do for the entire evening. reasons why I can get into if you like...

I need the needle drop functionality and the absolute sticker position of ABS. For each new cut in REL it is too hard to try and line up the vinyl to 12 o'clock and hit the cue button each for each and every song, invariably you will not get them lined up exactly each time, so if you decide to beat juggle you are going to be off. It is imprecise and maybe almost impossible if your laptop is far away. I have been DJing way too long to ever get used to picking up the needle putting it down some place else on the wax and its in the same place in the record.

I think allot of people would actually use it, anyone who absolutely needs ABS mode but would like to use REL mode from time to time (or reverse). Personally I would use it all the time, go into REL mode, tap on some beats before I fade into the next song already in ABS mode. So when I cue up the next it will automatically flip back into ABS mode without having to remember and check what mode its in each time I cue a new song. I easily forget what mode its in, cue a new record expect it to behave like its in ABS but get thrown off because its in REL. Maybe Im trying to needle drop, or worse I set up to juggle a little and the stickers dont match. So as it is now, I dont even use REL mode. But I would like to.

To me this is not part of an "end all be all" solution, its more of an intuitive behaviour. If you are used to needle dropping then flipping back into ABS mode is something that you would do each and every time that you cue a record, that is the type of redundant crap that you want software to do. Using brain power to remember modes and such is not creative skill.

I guarantee that it is a needed tool, not just fluff. Its hard to say what functions are important for every DJ, for me this is more important then MIDI, or Loops, or effects, or a sampler or whatever.

As far as resources, I doubt that this function will use too much of any resources, especially if not on. All that it would have to do is recognize when the needle is at less then zero, (if <0 then) switch to ABS/REL, not much more then pressing a button. It already switchess to INT near the end of the record, it never looked like that function took any resources. This is exactly the same thing. And if it were up to me I would get rid of the beatmatching, the lock pitch, the recording, INT, and even REL mode (if I could get cues in ABS), even the wave form is less important to me, for concerving recourcess that is.

This would become part of the operational backbone for me, something far different the
"next on flip"

This would be an efficiant and simple way of using the functions of both ABS and REL mode instead of being stuck in one mode conciously having to switch between the two.

I can understand anyone who learned on REL having no real use for this, but perhaps it would open up new doors for you too, a usiful bridge between modes

The bottom line is, I can't see how this could be a problem for anyone who doesn't like the idea, Just don't drop the needle before 0 if you don't want to jump to the begining of the track!
Or disable the function! (which I'm sure would be an option!).
There are enough of us that would find this feature very very handy, to make it worth doing!

Im not fallowing you on this part.

It would flip one way, < 0 flip to ABS. anyplace > 0 it would just stay in ABS mode. Why would you want it to auto flip back to REL? you would loose the ABS functions that you had it flip to ABS in the first place. There would be no auto flip to REL mode, you would just do that manualy when you need REL functions.

But if you are in REL it would flip back to 0 as an option.

I guess there would be a danger of being in REL, rewinding back to zero and it fliping where you wouldnt really want it to. But I doubt that would happen too often.

AKIEM, my answer to the points you bring up is essentially this:

When you put a record in ABS mode, you're spending the time cueing up the record where it is necessary. If you place your sticker in the proper position for ABS mode the sticker will change positions based on each track anyway. If the sample you use is 3 seconds into the track, your sticker won't be at 12 o'clock. I can understand where you don't want to touch the laptop, but it seems like your reasoning doesn't actually save any time or effort, and is only a comforting gesture. As far as needle dropping, if you have your setup to "play from first cue" it doesn't matter where you put the needle, and as long as your sticker is at 12 o'clock, it's exactly like dropping the needle right on your cue. I actually find it easier to juggle in REL mode, as I can set my sticker to any cue point I want at 12 o'clock. Since they got rid of "sticker slip" it's as precise as ABS mode. Unless you're NEVER touching your laptop at all, there's no way that it's going to be faster than spinning your sticker to 12 and hitting 1 or 6 or whatever cue you want to go to. It also enables you to use your 12 o'clock sticker position for any cue you want. If you're never touching your laptop to begin with, it completely negates the use of a sticker anyway, since it'll be one in a million that your sticker will actually line up at 12 o'clock with whatever sample or beat you're playing. As far as I'm concerned, as soon as you have a solid grasp on REL mode, ABS becomes useless as a tool, because REL will do exactly the same thing, just as fast or faster. In the time it takes me to lift the needle and go to the beginning of a track, then cue to wherever I need it, I could leave the needle where it is, or at minimum spin the record so the sticker is at 12, and hit one button. I guess I just am not clear on how it will help you become faster or more precise. I'm not going to lie, it took me a few times to actually grasp not having to pick the needle up every time I wanted to start a track over, but once I got out of the old way of thinking, there's no way I could ever be as fast going back to the beginning of the record, dropping samples, or juggling as I am using cue points.

Also, it would have to decide at what point to switch into REL mode? Invariably it will not be in the mode you desire at some point, and leaving that decision up to the software is kind of counterintuitive. The REL to INT is obvious, when you're running out of usable noise map it throws it into internal so nothing goes haywire, but REL to ABS is a little more obscure. You're dealing with completely changing the way the hardware and software is utilizing the signal, and at some point it's not going to function as you desire. I've been dj'ing for a long time and I have as many habits as the next guy, but as soon as I realized that those were the things limiting me, that's when I realized the potential for Serato. Blaming your habits is kind of a scapegoat don't you think? Serato is giving us that 2 steps forward, but using it in ABS is like taking 2 steps back. I think it's better to work to utilize the potential instead of trying to add features to make it similar to how you're used to playing. If that's the case why not just play in ABS all the time and completely fore go REL? I'm not trying to negate what you're saying, I just think it's a feature that has a far better alternative already built in, so why potentially sacrifice performance, etc.

The way the sticker works in ABS mode IS the way I like it to behave (like real vinyl). I dont care at all about 12oclock, mater of fact I dont like the way the cues jump to 12 (thats not how vinyl works) and thats a whole other suggestion -->scratchlive.net
I dont care if the sticker hits the 1 beat at 3oclock, or wherever else on the clock as long as both vinyls are exactly synchronized.

The time and effort saved would be in not having to first remember to switch it back each time, switching it back, and the embarrassment from forgetting to switch it back.

Counter intuitive? For me it would be absolutely intuitive, thats why I suggested it. the only thing more intuitive would be Needle Drop in REL mode.

I understand that moving the sticker to 12 and tapping a cue is faster (maybe), but it is not as exact every time that you do it. Its the difference between eyeballing and having something permanently locked exactly in place. its a trade off. You will never be able to get the sticker at exactly 12'oclock every single time. Maybe not that big of a deal but I dont like it.

Thats what I meant about precision, as far as speed I was talking about the speed of it automatically switching back to ABS instead of pressing the button. Like I said if you are going to do the EXACT same thing over and over (flip it back into ABS every new cut) thats what software is for. If you need the exact same shit typed a hundred times do you type it all out over and over? no, you copy and paste.

For me, the years of lifting the needle and moving it back to the front every time I cue is a permanent habit and it wont be undone the same way mixing with CDJs is not a possibility for me. And I try to actually lift the needle as much as possible rather then rewinding because its not as hard on the vinyl. Trying to break that habit will take me out of "the zone". Now in actuality, yes I could change the habit with work, same as I learned to drive an automatic. I still reach to shift sometimes or press on a clutch that isnt there. The thing is that I prefer a manual transmission for the control, and I like there being a neutral. Same as with ABS mode, "needle drop" is a preference, not only a habit. I would choose to use ABS mode all things being equal. Actually I would like a Super Mode where you could just choose how you would like it to behave "needle drop" like ABS, or "skipless" like REL, but have loops and cues regardless. Further, I was pressing on arrow keys to make selections years before Serato was even thought of, but I chose to learn Vinyl Scroll, at first pushing arrow keys was more normal, now I prefer Vinyl Scroll.



I would switch into REL only when I wanted to tap on some cues and loops otherwise I would stay in ABS.

Why would it have to make a decision about when to switch to ABS mode? If you place the needle anyplace less then 0 on the vinyl it switches to ABS, or stays in REL but puts the file back at 0 (0 on the vinyl = 0 on the file, vertual sticker matches vinyl sticker)

Why would you be "dealing with completely changing the way the hardware and software is utilizing the signal"? And why would it at some point not "function as I desire"? I dont fallow you there.

I dont agree that REL is a step forward and ABS a step back. Maybe because there are less functions in ABS mode, but those functions could be added to ABS mode. OR better yet "needle drop" could be added to REL. These are just options and configurations.


Whats the "better alternative"?
I want to use Needle Drop, Cues, and Loops, the way it is configured to use all those features you have to flip back and fourth between modes. If you are going to switch back and forth between modes, the exact same way fifty or a hundred times a night why not have the software do it for you?

Where is the "sacrifice in performance"? If you can already do it with a tap of a button why would it take so much more power to recognize that it should switch when it is less then zero? Its far from fragile, bang on it taping all kinds of cues and loops and responds better then a midi sampler, swithcing modes wont hurt it. It automatically moves from REL to INT so smoothly you might not even notice it.

Last I think that this function would be an eloquent symmetry and progression, the vinyl starts with ABS-->REL-->INT to end it off.

And Im sure that it would be optional just in case you think having it on would hog your power or whatever.

This is such an awesome idea.

I'm concerned on how this would affect people using CD's.

it wouldnt because it would be an option

that and the CD dont have the Pre-0- area like the vinyl does... that pre area (from what im reading) would be what tells SSL to go to Abs mode. on the cd it goes to 0 and stops... on the vintl there is the lead in area(the edge ofthe vinyl)that has codes area on it too that comes b4 0 when using abs mode

+1

But what about the track offset? If you bump that number up, a CD player will have a pre-0 area (unless ScratchLive is smart enough to ignore the track offset IF this option is introduced)?

but it will be a silent pre-0 area with no time code on it thus the pre-0 area still wont control serato even if its there.. the vinyl has time code in the pre-0 area

I would assume that this function would pay attention to the "track start offset"

I hope so. There was one feature that didn't include the offset logic, and I'm not sure if they fixed it.