I totally agree with you. A simple function which routes deck 1 to the lets say the booth out (1/4 TRS connectors), and the right deck to FlexFX send (1/4 TRS connectors) would be sufficent. Both decks must be sent pre-fader.

I've already suggested that here in this thread scratchlive.net <- click, please post there to show you need that feature.

In the meantime you can use this workaround posted by nobspangle scratchlive.net <- click.

I agree, I think they should have made a removable sl box that will slide in and out from the back of the mixer.. I know alot of people have both the mixer and the box, but thats to much $$$.

Why can't they let us buy the box that comes with the solo SSL. I know that they say you could then download the software and use sssl for free. But if they only sold them to registered TTM57sl users this could up their sales of the TTM57sl. As it is now I've already talked a few of my friends out of buying this since they travel club to club spinning. If somebody bought this unit, learned how to use ssl using mixer shortcuts, then they are screwed if they can't use the 57 at the club. I hope rane addresses these issues. I bought this mixer because it came with SSL, not just because it has keyboard shortcuts built in. Please tell me this is more than a bedrooms djs wet dream. Because as a club dj this whole package is useless unless you can bring it with you. Now I have to spend another $400 for something I just paid for. And the first things I need to learn now is using the ssl without the 57 even though I have it. If I don't know the keyboard shortcuts in a club setting I'm f'ed. I really think I wasted my money on this ssl/mixer combo unless something can be done about using SSL without the 57. I never owned SL1, is it the same keyboard controls as the one packaged with the 57?

I like the idea of giving registered 57 owners a discount on the sl1.

The box should come with the mixer when you purchase the unit.

No.

The fact remains that the TTM57SL is already out and as much as I like the product, a second-generation 57SL is not necessary.

This is something you should have thought of before buying the mixer instead of complaining about it after using it. Either sell the 57 and buy the standard SSL, or use the manual bypass that nik39 and nobspangle provided. It's that simple.

So what your saying is if your a club dj don't buy the TTM57, but if your a mobile dj or bedroom dj then it's good. I just figured that since I'm paying for the mixer AND SSL I should be able to use SSL without the mixer. Is that too much too ask? It was my mistake for buying the 57, I thought I could use SSL without this mixer. I did my homework on scratch live and knew i wanted that. And since it came with this mixer I figured it was a great package. Little did I know about this not being able to use my laptop with SSL unless the mixer was hooked up. I honestly thought Rane would have thought about this issue before hand. Now they are making TTM57 owners buy SSL again just so they can use SSL without this mixer. It's BS. Rane needs to inform potential 57 owners about this. Nowhere in the info on the rane website says you can't use SSL without the mixer. And the bypass thing still needs the 57 hooked up somewhere so that still poses a problem if the club has no room for that. I want this mixer, I want SSL, and I want to be able to use 1 without the other. If I could take the TTM57sl back to guitar center I would, but they treat this package (yes even with the mixer) as software and it cannot be returned. So unless somebody wants to give me what i paid for it, I want a solution. I want to be able to user what I paid for. SSL is what I wanted, I wanted a new mixer too, this package seemed great. My friend is a guitar center employee and he has already had a bunch of people trying to return it because of this fact. So a 2nd generation 57 wouldn't be needed. Just a practical solution on how we can use our SSL without the mixer if needed. Sell registered users the box or add it in the package. It's that simple!

You are paying for an integrated solution NOT a mixer and a SSL.


I think you didnt understand that you CAN use the mixer as a SSL standalone device. Repeat: You CAN use the mixer as a SSL standalone device.


You should have read the product description. You cant complain afterwords. This isnt a feature Rane has advertised, and out of surprise its not been included.


No, they are not. Repeat: You CAN use the mixer as a SSL standalone device.


About what? "Customers please keep in mind, you can use the TTM57 as a bread toaster! We thought we should inform you about this, just in case you think you can toast bread with it, even though we never announced this"


Place it on the DJ booth floor. Place it anywhere. You dont need to able to touch it, or reach it while you play. You hook it up once, and dont touch it until you're leaving the DJ booth.


Thats indeed BS. You can download the software for FREE from this forum. So basically you paid for the hardware, not the software. Someone from RAne should knock at GC's door.

Agree with nik. These issues you are complaining about are more of a lack of foresight on your part rather than Rane/Serato misinforming you.

First and foremost, you can use SSL by using the mixer as a glorified SL1, and as nik said, you don't have to touch it once you set it up.

Secondly, if you are playing in clubs, you could do what I do (and what a lot of big name DJ's do, as well): equipment rider. The contract that I send to promoters when they want to bring me to their club/event/venue informs them that I bring my own mixer, and that it is their responsibility to accomodate that (I also require a soundcheck prior to the venue opening; it's your sound, make it the best it can be). I have been bringing my own mixers to clubs for over two years, and have only run into a situation wherein I couldn't hook up my own mixer on 2 occassions, but the promoter in both instances let me know well in advance, and it wasn't a problem.

When I talked to my area Guitar Center, they told me that I could return it (I knew I wouldn't, but they said that I could if needed), as what is in the box is truly just the hardware to use SSL, the software is a free download from this very site.

There are a lot of club DJ's that require either a specific mixer be provided, or that bring their own mixer, and most venues are used to this sort of thing, and even if you can't USE the mixer, you can still hook it up to use as an SL1 box, so using SSL isn't a problem.

Exactly.

CMega, you shouldv'e researched or asked questions in this forum about the 57 beforehand. Rane/Serato would not recommend the 57SL if you play solely in clubs.

Well guitar center in Millbury, MA told me it can't be returned. It treats the whole package as software/interface. And I'm not looking to use the MIXER as a standalone, I'm looking to use the SSL without the mixer (not sure why you guys don't understand this). Not talking about bringing the mixer with me at all. Just my laptop and the clubs system/mixer.

And nowhere in the product description does it say you cannot use SSL without this mixer hooked up. I understand now but It was not in print anywhere. No biggie, I'll just pay the extra $400 for the SL1 box. Thanks guys

Yeah I should have researched it more. I knew I wanted SSL and I thought with this package I get that and the mixer. I figured for $1400 you could use 1 without the other. And for the average person who doesn't come to scratchlive.net and just reads the product description, well he'll be in for a suprise when he realizes this. How much do you guys think this mixer would cost if it didn't come packaged with SSL? Just a standalone mixer that could control SSL if hooked up inline with it.

You cant take the mixer apart (at least not w/o messing it up ;) ). Therefor you MUST take the mixer with you. Period.

Thats like you're buying a Ferrari, now you're going to a camping tour and you dont want to bring your Ferrari along, but you want to use these very comfortable seats. Try giving your Ferrari back to your dealer because fo this - he will laugh on you. Remember, it has never been announced that you can take only a fraction of your mixer and use this as a SSL standalone. So if you assumed this function was built in (although it makes no sense - the mixer is *one* part, its not built of three detachable parts) then this was obviously your fault. Sorry to say :(

No. Because the average guy looks at the product and sees one mixer. Not a mixer and "another SSL" or whatever you have thought it is. SOrry.


Again, this is a combined product. Not a Lego-do-it-yourself mixer, which comes with two parts and you have to stick them together.

You guys don't get it. I never had SL1 so i didn't know that the SL1 box was needed to use SSL out of my house without this mixer. I just thought this mixer was a bonus since I can control SSL from it. And yes I read and read the product description. I never had SL1 so I didn't know I NEEDED this mixer to use it. I would have just bought the stand alone SSL if I knew this. SO instead of getting SSL for $400 I have to spend $1800 to use it like I wish. And yes this mixer is sick and worth every penny if I can use it where ever I want. I guess I'll just have to practice using the keyboard shortcuts 1st. And learn the mixer shortcuts later. You guys don't need to use those comparisons of ferraris and bread makers. They make no sense and have nothing to do with a product that you can buy as a stand alone or as a package.

"No. Because the average guy looks at the product and sees one mixer. Not a mixer and "another SSL" or whatever you have thought it is. SOrry."

The average guy sees a mixer packaged with SSL. And if he didn't know much about SL1 (Me), it's very easy to be confused. And what do you mean "another SSL". I never had SSL so it wouldn't be "another SSL". I just didn't know I couldn't use SSL without this mixer. All I was asking was for Rane to come up with a practical solution that would allow me to leave this mixer at home and just use the SSL that I paid for without the mixer. And the only thing I would need to accomplish this is that stupid little SL1 box. Let registered 57 owners buy this. Or come up with an easier solution than that bypass thingy.

I'll be ok and love the products I purchased. Just don't understand why Rane would do it like this. But then again i do, MONEY.

Honestly, AFAI remeber you are the first use who I came across who said that he thought it was a mixer PLUS a separate SSL device. All the ads say its an integrated device. RIF.


You paid for the mixer, with an integrated SSL. Feel free to post any official link which states that you are getting an additional/external SSL device.


You have:

* the mixer
* power cord
* control vinyls
* control CDs
* USB cable
* manual
* rubber feet

Thats it. Can you explain what would be an easy solution? There is only one solution... which is using the mixer, I am afraid :(


IMHO, you didnt understand correctly what this mixer is about. My 2 cents.

Actually, CMega, the literature for both the 57 and SL1 explain that the software will NOT work without one of these two interfaces hooked up to your computer. Logic would then dictate that you need to have either the SL1 OR the 57 (or access to one or the other) in order to use the software.

And again, you didn't pay for the software. It is freely available, totally legally, for download on this very site (which is pointed out on both the Rane and Serato sites for those doing the product research that have not yet found this forum, as well as links to this forum). You paid $1400 for a firmware updatable mixer with an integrated control surface for SSL and built-in effects that also included control vinyl, control cd's, a usb cable, and a disc containing the software (although, again, the manual recommends coming to this site to make sure that you have the most recent version of the software). Nowhere is it implied that the package allows you to use the software without one of the two interface products (the SL1 or 57), and in fact, it is stated clearly that the software will not function save for to build overviews without the interface connected to your computer.

And again, for over two years I have been bringing my mixer to every club gig that I have done save 2 occasions. First with my 909, and now with my 57. Craze brings his 909, so does A-Trak (or whatever mixer he happens to want for his show, as I've also seen him show up with a 56 or Vestax 07 as well), Faust and Shortee both bring their own or require that a 56 is provided, and many other DJ's of far lesser reknown also bring their own mixer. I would recommend you throw that out there when talking to promoters/club owners prior to you accepting the gig, and see if they can accomodate you, then if they can, you are home free, and if not, you have the time to make other arrangements to make sure that you can provide the best performance.

I now know, but when they meant integrated I thought this was a sick ass mixer that as a bonus controlled SSL as well. I wish i found this site before I bought it. But now that I have it I'm ok with it. I was strictly a Technics 1200/vestax 07 pro vinyl dj. So this SSL is new to me and this 57 setup is perfect for me. I was just worried about not being able to use it in clubs because i have dealt with crappy owners who don't like to mess with their booths. These clubs aren't the heavy hitters so I assume when I do play at bigger clubs i can use this. So as a SSL noob do you suggest I learn the keyboard shortcuts first? Just in case I have to leave it at home and hook up to somebody else's SL1 box?

Thanks for all the responses.

In such cases it makes no difference whether you are using a straight SSL device or the TTM57 in bypass mode.

I still think you should call someone from Rane, ask them to have a talk with GC, and tell them the mixer is NOT software you buy. MAybe you can give it back, if thats what you really want.

They treat the mixer as a software interface. I've already talked to 2 different stores. Doesn't matter what YOU think the mixer is, it's what they think it is. Do you own the TTM57sl and where did you buy it?

Not in the states, so probably that wont help you.


You are absolutely right. But it might matters what Rane thinks about this :) Call someone from Support, I am sure they will at least try to help you.


Indeed, but is it really such an issue esp. as said before you can just leave the mixer anywhere, you dont need to reach for it, once it is hooked up.

I purchased my 57 from the GC in Charlotte NC, and GC is the same company as musicians friend, and they also have a return policy that includes the 57, although there may be a re-stocking fee, but that should be all. If you make enough noise, they will eventually bend (unless you have had the mixer for more than 30-45 days (forget how long it is with them). Just be persistent. Also, nik is right, contact someone at Rane, as they probably have an interest in this matter as GC is a huge vendor for them.

I came to the 57 from the SL1, but before the 57, I used ABS mode 95-99% of the time, so there was not a huge need to learn all of the keyboard shortcuts (I learned how to switch modes, trigger cue points, and once software update 1.5 came out, how to toggle and switch through loops, load tracks to each deck, and not much else), but with the 57, I hardly ever have to touch my lappy. I don't think it is totally critical to learn every keyboard shortcut in order to make great use of the product, but figuring out what you want to do and then learning the shortcuts to do those things is a great benefit.

As far as bringing your mixer, I know that a lot of club owners are shady, and that is the norm regardless of the size of the club, but with a little preperation, and enough time in advance, you should be able to get them to work with you, at least once, and after they see how you rinse the crowd, they don't mind it if you bring your mixer because you keep the crowd moving and dancing and drinking. The one thing to do is focus on what you bringing the mixer will do for THEM. That is how to approach the conversation. They don't care how many tricks it allows you to do, they just care how many people come in the door and how much alcohol they sell. You putting on a better performance helps those two things.

Welcome to the SSL family, and now that you have found the site, stop by for any help, feedback, or whatever as I know there are a TON of people up here who are more than happy to lend a hand getting you up to speed using the 57 and SSL in general.

Thanks for the help. I'll be here everyday until I learn it in and out.

i'm known for ignorant ass comments so here it goes...

a) if you consider your self a dj who's up there and deserves / has the status to own a 57sl, you should be able to affor an extra sl-1
b) if you thought you'd be a cool bedroom dj by having a 57sl - you were wrong

this is why i own both...

i do a lot of back to back gigs where the first one is usually a school dance and the 2nd one is a nightclub.. i'd have someone set up my sl-1 at the club when it opens and use my 57 at the dance (very effiecient for mobile set ups since it's just connecting ur decks to the mixer and then the mixer to the amp) and when i get to the club at around 11:30 - 12:00 all i have to do is plug my laptop in and i'm good to go...

you should've thought of this before hand - you could've bought a 56 + sl1 to have an almost identical set up...

sorry to hear your problem dude but like nik pointed out, there are tons of way around this :)

This thread is old. I didn't know I couldn't use SSL without the 57 and I didn't want to touch the keyboard at all.That's why I bought it. Nice of you to throw in your 2 cents. And as of right now I'm not djing anywhere. SO technically I guess I am a bedroom DJ at the moment. But this bedroom DJ has spun out many times. I been spinning for many many years. I have a ton of vinyl. Be careful who you call a "cool bedroom dj". This dj might have to call you out. More people should be bedroom dj's before they play out. 60% of them suck. ALot of music and basic skills. I KNOW for a fact I can school most of the dj's spinning at clubs. I'm getting back into the game. I took a few years off for personal reasons. But I"m back. CMega isn't my Dj name either. It's Oak-D.

no harsh feelings

just giving you a very stubborn and ignorant as $0.02.

on a side note, you having tons of vinyl doesn't make you a sick dj

this is annoying....we are getting lazier and cheaper!!!

Maybe keeping up with the progressive development of their hardware is a new way of paying dues?

Scratchlive hooks us all up with free shit all the time! They could easily become corporate assholes and charge us for updates, but they don't. That is one of the main reasons i bought a "future friendly" 57 AND decided to keep my SL box. If your serious about djin and do this for work or not, these are investments you shouldn't even think twice about.

My homeboy just dropped over 4 grand on a saxophone!?! and he plays out once a week at a cafe that pays him $75 + food a night!?! It's gonna take him forever to pay that shit off, but, he bought it cause it's an investment in something he loves. And that's what we have to think about when we're buying quality like rane....if you don't like it.....you don't need it.

Yeah I know, I was just in a bad mood last night. Definately no harsh feelings.

i really dont see any problem...shit i just booked a show, and told the dude, im bringing my own mixer because i use serato, he said fine...
thats that

oh and i second ralph, im completly fine buying a box if i have to
shit i spend 1500 on some box that makes drum noises...(sp-1200) i can spend 400 to keep the crowd hype...and my name hype for that matter

Sell the mixer get a 909 and an sl1

have they remedied this yet, other than that crazy headphone / aux trickery?

all said it would be nice if registered ttm57 owners got some sort of deal ;)

I think thats a fair solution.
nothing rediculous... maybe 30% off

rane....serato..anyone..


I hate the idea i have these nice balanced master outs but end up using the headphone & aux out as master-out.

Yeah, or maybe just a stripped down version of the package - no vinyls, cds, or install discs, just the SL1 and the necessary cables