I think someone might have suggested this already, but:

Lock Groove

I think a whole side, or even one minute of Lock Grove would be the shit for REL.
"Lock Groove" is the last groove at the end of the vinyl. Imagine a whole side with coded lock groove, the needle would stay in one place on the record. Dont you hate having to stop the needle from reaching the end of the record? With lock groove you would place it where you want then leave it. There is actually no reason for the needle to play from the start of the record to the end in REL mode. Logic would dictate lock groove.

The only example of lock grove I have is DJ Swamps "Never Ending Beats" - plays beats for ever

Thats actually not a bad idea Akiem.

I think a whole side of lock groove is a pretty good idea, too. and when one lock groove starts to get worn, just use another groove... Would be really nice for all the REL mode users.

yeah thats another thing about Lock Groove, you have as many grooves as will fit on a record to wear out instead of just one

Damn! This idea sounds very logic. Why haven't I thought about this before... AKIEM, I think you should start to work for Serato you little genius ;)

...a CV dedicated to REL mode with lock grooves on both sides would be one long lasting CV in my opinion. It could be an extra purchaseable CV called CV02.2 or something

well there ahas been discussion about this before, I couldnt find it at first but... www.scratchlive.net

probably more



but I would like this thread to collect more ideas, more support to show that we really do want a CV3.

I just think that Lock Groove is the best reason for it. (even tho Im still stuck in ABS)




But one side with Lock Groove is real logical to me. It would mirror the modes. One side for ABS and one side for REL.




you ever see that reality game show with the contest where you have to stay on the escalator for an hour. If you run to the top you can rest for a while. uh, the joke is that they never said it was against the rules to press stop on the escalator and just stand on it for an hour.

Great idea. The logo on the vinyl could use some revamping too

Like what?

Locked groove +1

CV2 is like an old manual typewriter, clacking that lever thing every time you get to the margin. Lock Groove is text wrap for the word procesor.


No offence if you are one, but you know what kills me? Them twenty something year old dudes, slicked back hair, black frame glasses, a tobacco pipe, siting in a freaking coffee house and taping on an old manual typewriter. For real fella, you look like a dumb ass. what the hell are you doing? ha, youre going to, mimeograph your crappy manuscript, and send it pony express in a leather satchel? get outta here

lock groove sounds like a good idea to me, i use relative mode probably 98% of the time anyway.

But wouldn't the timecode wear out faster?

why would it wear faster? yes if there was only one groove (Im imagining a piece of wax with only ONE lock grove on it, lol)

There would be a hundred grooves, or however many across the whole vinyl.

Maybe you would have to be alert for problems using one groove for too long, dust build up or whatever. But I dont think half an hour in the same groove would be a problem.

test it on the lock groove we have now

True sorry about that

The first day I had Serato, almost a year ago, I imagined a new time of control vinyl to alleviate the big problem, you, Akiem, have discussed:

In `Relative' mode, the markings of records change, therefore affecting the proficiency of back-spinning.

I imagined a translucent, 1/4 wide, semi-circular tube that would border the record's labels, that would be synced with the "records" on screen. In the tube, would be a LED marker. I also thought of there being a digital screen within the label too, or even with buttons.

My only question is whether it would adversely affect the turntables' motors' torque.

^^^^

check Rasta Root. he has a ring of velcro around the edge of his labels, that he moves around a little circle as a marker.

seen him with that before I got SSL, I was like "what the fuck is that, it comes like that!?"

Well, Root has raised the National Ghetto Alert color to orange with that one move.

i dont get how rast roots marker works.. it cant be that tight a system can it?

DJ Kentaro would love locked grooves :)

around the edge of the label he has a 1/4 inch ring of velcro. wherever he determines 12 to be he places a little velcro marker on the ring.
it works just like a clock sticker, only he can move it.

I doubt it is as acuarate, and I thought it looked like a hassle

good idea tho

forgive me i dont own SL, how do you mark points on the record like you do normal records... can a hiphop dj explain to me how they do it...

do most of you use rel mode?... why ?

also... if you get the 57... and then you plug in your friends sl 1 into your laptop cause your at a club and cant use your mixer... what do you lose in function...

*No EFX
*all the control functions from the mixer to control SSL

so the only update in the software besides the interface is the FX...

how about my rel mode question

Well, the TTM57 has many more features (ASIO ... etc.) but they are not very important in club usage IMHO, except for the different outputs etc.


Why? Cause it makes mixing, finding cues a lot faster! Its not mixing or cueing for you, but it makes things faster. Plus new effects you can use with cue points.

I think Serato said locked groove wouldn't work well with the control signal because of the way they are cut.
Pretty much all the locked grooves I have (in Techno they are really common because of the 133BPM) sound slightly crappy when they get to the loop.

Ive been talking to a guy who is developing a better lock groove cutting system.

And I imagine that if there were only a small area, maybe not a whole side that the software could be made aware of the glitch.

I dont think its something to give up on yet.

how would thais work exactly?? I get the concept totally, but thinking about the timecode signal that is being fed to Serato, and you're basically forcing it to looping as you drop in and remain in the locked groove? How accrate would you're scratching be if you're right at the 'loop' point?

I've been pretty happy with the last tibit of data of the CV forcing Serato in to Int mode and you can simply pick the needle up and place it anywhere without issue.... We're getting pretty lazy already with REL mode already - not having to pick up the needle nearly as much as real vinyl and now this... LOL wow. If it happens cool, but there are a few other features I'd like to hit SSL before this gets implemented.

It'd be good to have 9 locked grooves at the end of each side of the CV that jumps to and controls the loops you have set.

Adding on to having locked grooves, you can have each groove be a different song. Imagine having more than one song ready to go.

that would be neat, but i have a hard enough time hitting a minute mark on a song quickly; needle dropping from 1 groove to the next would be even harder i would think.

I still think this would be more useful!

Just want to bump this thread to see if anyone thinks that a few locked grooves for loop control would be useful...

the last thing i want is for the needle to skip into a lock groove that has been destroyed by me practicing my crabs.

Mmm ... i never practiced crabs, i did scratch at them though.

... and curse.

I still want that one sided control vinyl! (b-side preferred) LOL

I think this would be a super-cool feature, but I too fail to see how you could map time code to a loop.

I don't think this

would be a problem because it sounds like those types of locked grooves are normal records (one groove) that have a cut at the appropriate loop point causing the needle to stick in the loop. A CV of concentric rings (many grooves) wouldn't have any cuts to screw up the needle reading the signal.

I still don't get how you could encode signal for a whole song's worth into the span of one rotation of the vinyl. And I suppose each groove would be slightly different as they would get smaller as you reach the centre (just thinking aloud here...)

<--finally gets it LOL

REL mode does not pay attention to the location on the vinyl

Right--of course...Wow, yeah, this is a great idea.

waterproof labels on the cv. i clean mine with soapy water and the labels are all worn away now.

i know thats got f''k all to do with locked groove,, but its my two cents:P

well this thread is really about whatever you would want in a new CV [not just lock groove]

I'd still love several locked grooves that jump to and control the loops set within SSL.

3 points:

1. Locked grooves is a crazy dope idea.

2. I also suggest for scratching and beat juggling in ABS mode to have a radial coloured (white) stripe dyed into the vinyl at the start of the track so I don't have to worry about putting a sticker in the exact right place, and have it wear out and fall off. This would also allow more accurate record positioning.

3. Seeing as vinyl's been around for so many decades, there must be some more modern, high-tech materials available that could be used instead of vinyl that would last much longer before getting worn out. I don't care if it's 3 times the price if it lasts 3 times longer...

You can use one of those sharpie mettalic ink looking pens and mark the spot on your vinyl and it wont effect the sound at all. I know alot of dj's around here that use those for this. Then they wont fall off... and if you need to touck up the mark b/c its fading or wearing off.. you just break out the pen again.

Colored vinyl again, they were really cool.

Perhaps glow in the dark.. That would reallyyy be insane!

glow in the dark vinyl would be cool....

Have they got white coloured vinyl yet?

Didn't think so, only red/blue/yellow?

they had clear color vinyl.

White would be good to see how dusty/dirty record was getting

or white for blacklights.

def genious, im all for this. Im stuck in abs as well man, but i def see the potential of rel and plan to play with it more. Making one side for each makes the most sense...l

IN ADDITION TO AKIEM:

Woke up from a dream w/ this...

You can scroll through crates with the inside groove of the A side of the current vinyl. Well, what if there were a few sections of patterns on the vinyl like this in succession; for crate, another for subcrate, another for sub-sub crate and another for track selection. basically like using the joystick on a 57. so potentially 3 or more sections for scrolling. pick the needle up and move it to the next section (basically like using the tab button). then place the needle at the beginning of the A side to select that track like normal. with the shortened playing track, there could be a lock groove to prevent the needle from going into the sections and serato will go into rel/auto mode to prevent track runoff and new track selection.

sorry if this was already suggested.

Locked grooves for loops ... go go go!
;)