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iCDX support in SSL
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iCDX support in SSL
nobspangle
9:32 PM - 7 November, 2006
couldn't see a thread discussing this so I thought I would start one,
What do people think, has anyone played with the iCDX, what's the jog wheel like?
To Serato, how much control will be available from the iCDX? Loops? Hot cues?
Can you hook up two iCDX players for two deck control?
Sounds like a really cool idea to me good for DJs who carry there own gear. I just don't see clubs dropping their Pioneer or Denon CD players to install these though.
What do people think, has anyone played with the iCDX, what's the jog wheel like?
To Serato, how much control will be available from the iCDX? Loops? Hot cues?
Can you hook up two iCDX players for two deck control?
Sounds like a really cool idea to me good for DJs who carry there own gear. I just don't see clubs dropping their Pioneer or Denon CD players to install these though.
Sam
10:50 PM - 7 November, 2006
Yes, you can hook up 2 iCDXs. You will be able to set loops and cue points. You can scroll through your crates and tracks, access the "browse" function. There are no issues with delays reading the control signal (ye ol' cue play cue play cue play problem) because we receive the command directly from the button press, instead of deducing what happened from listening to the audio.
Knockz
10:52 PM - 7 November, 2006
It sounds good... but the first thing i checked was the number of usb ports on my laptop. I only have 2.
Might need to carry around a powered usb hub to support the two iCDX players and the SSL.
It sounds really good though.
Might need to carry around a powered usb hub to support the two iCDX players and the SSL.
It sounds really good though.
nik39
12:53 AM - 8 November, 2006
lol.
So no need for a control signal CD at all?
How does that work? If both decks are being used at the same time, can you still record from one of those decks (hooking up your mixers output)?
Can you use a USB hub for the iCDX'es?
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(ye ol' cue play cue play cue play problem)lol.
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because we receive the command directly from the button press, instead of deducing what happened from listening to the audio.So no need for a control signal CD at all?
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Scratch LIVE knows exactly what is happening on the iCDX, and you can use the free audio inputs to record your set.How does that work? If both decks are being used at the same time, can you still record from one of those decks (hooking up your mixers output)?
Can you use a USB hub for the iCDX'es?
Sam
2:45 AM - 8 November, 2006
No, you don't need a control CD. Scratch LIVE runs in Internal mode, and the platter movement / slider movement / key presses etc control playback. You don't need to run an RCA cable from the iCDX to the SL 1, just a USB cable from the iCDX to the computer. Yes, you can use a hub.
DJ Unique
4:46 AM - 8 November, 2006
I don't like Numark much.... but this sounds real cool.
No delay on my loops & hot starts.
No delay on my loops & hot starts.
echey
6:55 AM - 8 November, 2006
Sam,
Can you give us in advance a list of what future coming in version 1.7?
Can you give us in advance a list of what future coming in version 1.7?
Konix
7:43 AM - 8 November, 2006
Indeed, sounds cool. I'm not big on Numark either, but I may just have to pick one up for this. Though I'd really not want to have to buy two iCDXs. Can we use just one iCDX and the inuput reverse switch technique?
AKIEM
7:56 AM - 8 November, 2006
nice.
give a controller with a moving platter and an intuitive cue
and I might leave the 1200s
give a controller with a moving platter and an intuitive cue
and I might leave the 1200s
Sam
8:49 AM - 8 November, 2006
Yep
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Indeed, sounds cool. I'm not big on Numark either, but I may just have to pick one up for this. Though I'd really not want to have to buy two iCDXs. Can we use just one iCDX and the inuput reverse switch technique?Yep
matt212
1:38 PM - 8 November, 2006
give a controller with a moving platter and an intuitive cue
and I might leave the 1200s
I second that. Maybe it should look and feel like a 1200/TTX without the tonearm and less weight.
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nice.give a controller with a moving platter and an intuitive cue
and I might leave the 1200s
I second that. Maybe it should look and feel like a 1200/TTX without the tonearm and less weight.
Konix
6:12 PM - 8 November, 2006
What about the effects on the iCDX? Will those work as well? What about the key lock? Well, I don't that will be an issue if key lock is in SSL 1.7.
Dj KaGeN
9:29 PM - 8 November, 2006
was this a weekend experiment? Gemini sent you a Cd player - you made jokes and bets on Friday afternoon that someone could make it work - smoked a little herb - got tricky with it and sure enough you have a working combo.
WHY???
WHY???
DJ_Mike_Coquilla
12:30 AM - 9 November, 2006
Denon should enhance their 3500 (maybe call it 3557 or 3500SL) to mimic what iCDX can do (add USB)
digital_steve
12:48 AM - 9 November, 2006
I'd be interested to hear from anyone that's actually used the iCDX to assess wether it's laggy, has any major bugs or whatever.
What did the serato team think of the iCDX?
I'm extremely interested as i want to move from vinyl to CD decks to control SSL. I was going to get CDJ-1000's but if this is a reliable, solid and importantly no lag bit of kit i'd prbably go for this instead.
What did the serato team think of the iCDX?
I'm extremely interested as i want to move from vinyl to CD decks to control SSL. I was going to get CDJ-1000's but if this is a reliable, solid and importantly no lag bit of kit i'd prbably go for this instead.
spazz
9:28 PM - 12 November, 2006
Man, I think this is very cool that it's also a controller for Serato, but I have a question for you guys. Sorry if I sound like a dumb ass but what's the advantage of using the iCDX with a laptop/SSL vs. an external hard drive or an ipod? The only thing I can see is the visual display for Serato and maybe better file management via the crates, other than that???
DJMark
12:09 PM - 16 November, 2006
It would be really nice to see Rane and Serato team up to create a nice, inexpensive USB-connected controller. I really don't want to have to buy a Numark CD player for this kind of functionality, although it's certainly nice for people who have that player.
digital_steve
10:04 PM - 16 November, 2006
I can't decide between the Pioneer CDJ 800/1000 or an iCDX now! DAMMIT!
Clark @ Breakin-Records.com
3:14 PM - 17 November, 2006
I have one at home that does all the lightweight keyboard, mouse, MIDI device & printer work and leave a dedicated USB port for the "heavier" (SSL) work (though I'm not a DJ).
You mean, you don't live in the R`nD office?
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FYI for small USB hub needs: www.compusa.comI have one at home that does all the lightweight keyboard, mouse, MIDI device & printer work and leave a dedicated USB port for the "heavier" (SSL) work (though I'm not a DJ).
You mean, you don't live in the R`nD office?
Myzrael
3:18 PM - 17 November, 2006
Well...I did hear a guy sending the iCDX back because he said the jogdial felt like a fisher price toy. But I have nothing to confirm it with so take it with a grain of salt. We'll see....I personally have no need for this though.
Dj Ace 1200
3:22 PM - 17 November, 2006
iCDX?.... iPod? sounds familiar. hmm....
I rather lug around my laptop and my ol' 1200's, go ahead if you want to be called a jukebox. haha :)
I rather lug around my laptop and my ol' 1200's, go ahead if you want to be called a jukebox. haha :)
Myzrael
7:06 PM - 17 November, 2006
Alright...this is what I found about the iCDX on the prodjforum posted by a guy named Spazz.
"Well gentlemen, I recieved the iCDX today and after the first 15mins of use, I promptly boxed it back up, called AMS and got an RA# to send it back. What I noticed right off was that it has a cheesy azz platter. Mentioning this platter in the same breath as the CDJs is joke. It's that bad. The unit overall seemed pretty solid but I was so miffed by the platter that I didn't even check out the rest of the unit. So it's on it's way back to AMS to be swapped out for a KP3."
"Well gentlemen, I recieved the iCDX today and after the first 15mins of use, I promptly boxed it back up, called AMS and got an RA# to send it back. What I noticed right off was that it has a cheesy azz platter. Mentioning this platter in the same breath as the CDJs is joke. It's that bad. The unit overall seemed pretty solid but I was so miffed by the platter that I didn't even check out the rest of the unit. So it's on it's way back to AMS to be swapped out for a KP3."
Dj KaGeN
11:43 PM - 17 November, 2006
Now that is the kind of report I did not want to see, knowing SSL is tied in to that cd player. Just doesn't seem right.
DJ_Rids
3:10 AM - 20 November, 2006
I borrowed my mates pair of ICDX's over the weekend and I agree with Spazz.
You can read my review here:
www.virtualdj.com
I'd love to see the denon 3500's with midi capabilities :)
You can read my review here:
www.virtualdj.com
I'd love to see the denon 3500's with midi capabilities :)
DJ RECKONIZE
7:00 PM - 20 November, 2006
I second that.
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Now that is the kind of report I did not want to see, knowing SSL is tied in to that cd player. Just doesn't seem right.I second that.
Matt G
10:35 PM - 20 November, 2006
SSL isn't tied to the iCDX in any exclusive sense. There could be others.
luroch
2:34 AM - 12 December, 2006
will there be a problem with USB dropouts with using three usb ports simultaneously, when using two icdx's and the SSL1?
DJRodrigoSM.br
12:25 AM - 2 February, 2007
Does this affect latency and stability in any way?
Well, from the looks of it, and what I read about this year's NAMM, I'd say we'll probably see support for control surfaces on upcoming versions of the software. Which got me wondering...
Now that you guys got this down, is there and way we'll see a "4-Deck-Able" Serato? By that I mean two being able to use both turntables and things like this iCDX at the same time, controlling different tracks.
My guess is that, as it is now, the SL 1 does not support that, because of both the USB 1.1 and the way the out / thru thing works, am I right?
ps: if I got the first part right, then I've got a request: make sure you guys get the Cortex stuff to work with Serato, whenever that comes out.
Well, from the looks of it, and what I read about this year's NAMM, I'd say we'll probably see support for control surfaces on upcoming versions of the software. Which got me wondering...
Now that you guys got this down, is there and way we'll see a "4-Deck-Able" Serato? By that I mean two being able to use both turntables and things like this iCDX at the same time, controlling different tracks.
My guess is that, as it is now, the SL 1 does not support that, because of both the USB 1.1 and the way the out / thru thing works, am I right?
ps: if I got the first part right, then I've got a request: make sure you guys get the Cortex stuff to work with Serato, whenever that comes out.
nobspangle
8:46 AM - 2 February, 2007
Yes, the SL 1 only has four output channels (2x stereo) so no room for 4 decks. However it would be possible to have a new box that could do 4 decks over USB 1.1 if it was being controlled by an iCDX or other controller.
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My guess is that, as it is now, the SL 1 does not support that, because of both the USB 1.1 and the way the out / thru thing works, am I right?Yes, the SL 1 only has four output channels (2x stereo) so no room for 4 decks. However it would be possible to have a new box that could do 4 decks over USB 1.1 if it was being controlled by an iCDX or other controller.
mikep
2:48 PM - 21 February, 2007
Can we get some hands-on reviews from anyone using the iCDX?
The local GC finally had it on display, but not hooked up to try out.
The local GC finally had it on display, but not hooked up to try out.
25
6:37 PM - 18 July, 2007
i need some help hooking up my icdxs to my serato ive tried hooking them up different ways but none of them work can anyone let me know what im doing worng or what is it i need to do because every time i try to hook it up it says interface disconnected or my icdx's find no pc link
digital_steve
12:29 AM - 16 August, 2007
Finally got the iCDX last night.
First off it is extremely easy to setup to use with SSL. Plug in the USB cable, start SSL, switch the iCDX to USB-HID mode, select which deck to control (left/right) and away we go in INT mode. It's that easy. I had read that you can control both decks with the iCDX by using the eject button but this doesn't work with SSL. You can, thankfully, use the input reverse function to control both INT decks with the iCDX.
The LCD display gets its feed from SSL, so it displays track name, BPM, pitch and keylock information. This is quite cool and useful if you're only using one deck to control SSL.
Scrolling through folders and tracks is really easy and usable with the endless rotary encoder on the iCDX. As you can imagine, this function is extremely handy as the only time you have to touch the computer is when you need to initialise input reverse. You can also access SSL's search function with this encoder.
The bleep and reverse functions being on the iCDX would be handy if you used them. I had some fun with the bleep function as an effect but i don't really use either function often.
Setting cues is damn easy, although the iCDX seems limited to only setting 3 as far as i can see; 4 if you include a temporary cue point.
Setting a loop is just as easy on the icdx with in, out and reloop functions. Once again, as far as i can tell, it is limited to setting one loop and can't seem to scroll through SSL's 9 loops. If anyone knows more then please let me know.
Obviously the pitching is controlled via the iCDX pitch slider. I found the pitch slider on the unit to be quite 'loose' or smooth moving, making fine adjustments a bit difficult. It may be because my unit is 2nd hand. The smallest increment you can move the pitch via the iCDX in INT mode is .03 ... It'd be nice if it was tighter, but its something you would get used to. I also found that sometimes the slightest movements on the pitch slider would be picked up in SSL, making it difficult to really nail small adjustments easily.
The pitch bend buttons barely register for one touch adjustments and need to be held a bit longer. This is just a function of the unit and takes a bit of getting used to. They also work as rewind/forward if you hold them down long enough.
The platter is static and plastic and requires you to hold down a bit of it, in the iCDX scratch mode, to stop playback and scratch. To be honest, if you're into scratching a lot, then this unit is fucking useless for you. I even had trouble winding tracks back to the start due to the pressure required on the platter. This was damn annoying as there is no normal CD function, as far as i can see, to send the track back to the start. You have to enable the 'play from start' function in SSL to effectively use the unit.
Pitch bending via the platter is damn sensitive. The smallest movement bends the track quite dramatically. Once again i'm assuming this is just a learning curve issue.
You can turn keylock on and off from a button called 'pitch' (that is usually used to select between pitch adjustment percentages for CD play) next to the pitch slider. Handy.
Overall i think the iCDX is a great unit for controlling INT mode for music styles that don't require scratching.
The ability to scroll and select tracks from the unit is awesome, setting cues and loops is great and being able to control SSL from one small sized unit is fantastic.
The pitch adjustment is a bit fiddly/sensitive. Maybe i'm just heavy handed.
I'd like to be able to set more cues and loops. I'd also like a button that takes a track back to it's start.
The platter is just a no-go for any sort of scratching... basic or serious.
I personally like it. It's made spinning tracks fun again for me and you can use it as a 1 cd + 1 turntable setup for SSL due to it's USB-HID connectivity.
First off it is extremely easy to setup to use with SSL. Plug in the USB cable, start SSL, switch the iCDX to USB-HID mode, select which deck to control (left/right) and away we go in INT mode. It's that easy. I had read that you can control both decks with the iCDX by using the eject button but this doesn't work with SSL. You can, thankfully, use the input reverse function to control both INT decks with the iCDX.
The LCD display gets its feed from SSL, so it displays track name, BPM, pitch and keylock information. This is quite cool and useful if you're only using one deck to control SSL.
Scrolling through folders and tracks is really easy and usable with the endless rotary encoder on the iCDX. As you can imagine, this function is extremely handy as the only time you have to touch the computer is when you need to initialise input reverse. You can also access SSL's search function with this encoder.
The bleep and reverse functions being on the iCDX would be handy if you used them. I had some fun with the bleep function as an effect but i don't really use either function often.
Setting cues is damn easy, although the iCDX seems limited to only setting 3 as far as i can see; 4 if you include a temporary cue point.
Setting a loop is just as easy on the icdx with in, out and reloop functions. Once again, as far as i can tell, it is limited to setting one loop and can't seem to scroll through SSL's 9 loops. If anyone knows more then please let me know.
Obviously the pitching is controlled via the iCDX pitch slider. I found the pitch slider on the unit to be quite 'loose' or smooth moving, making fine adjustments a bit difficult. It may be because my unit is 2nd hand. The smallest increment you can move the pitch via the iCDX in INT mode is .03 ... It'd be nice if it was tighter, but its something you would get used to. I also found that sometimes the slightest movements on the pitch slider would be picked up in SSL, making it difficult to really nail small adjustments easily.
The pitch bend buttons barely register for one touch adjustments and need to be held a bit longer. This is just a function of the unit and takes a bit of getting used to. They also work as rewind/forward if you hold them down long enough.
The platter is static and plastic and requires you to hold down a bit of it, in the iCDX scratch mode, to stop playback and scratch. To be honest, if you're into scratching a lot, then this unit is fucking useless for you. I even had trouble winding tracks back to the start due to the pressure required on the platter. This was damn annoying as there is no normal CD function, as far as i can see, to send the track back to the start. You have to enable the 'play from start' function in SSL to effectively use the unit.
Pitch bending via the platter is damn sensitive. The smallest movement bends the track quite dramatically. Once again i'm assuming this is just a learning curve issue.
You can turn keylock on and off from a button called 'pitch' (that is usually used to select between pitch adjustment percentages for CD play) next to the pitch slider. Handy.
Overall i think the iCDX is a great unit for controlling INT mode for music styles that don't require scratching.
The ability to scroll and select tracks from the unit is awesome, setting cues and loops is great and being able to control SSL from one small sized unit is fantastic.
The pitch adjustment is a bit fiddly/sensitive. Maybe i'm just heavy handed.
I'd like to be able to set more cues and loops. I'd also like a button that takes a track back to it's start.
The platter is just a no-go for any sort of scratching... basic or serious.
I personally like it. It's made spinning tracks fun again for me and you can use it as a 1 cd + 1 turntable setup for SSL due to it's USB-HID connectivity.
nik39
2:46 AM - 16 August, 2007
So the audio runs directly from the CD player?
You don't need any ScratchLIVE hardware, just the SSL software and the iCDX?
You don't need any ScratchLIVE hardware, just the SSL software and the iCDX?
digital_steve
2:54 AM - 16 August, 2007
You don't need any ScratchLIVE hardware, just the SSL software and the iCDX?
are you taking the piss?
yes you need the SL1 or TTM57SL
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So the audio runs directly from the CD player?You don't need any ScratchLIVE hardware, just the SSL software and the iCDX?
are you taking the piss?
yes you need the SL1 or TTM57SL
nik39
3:04 AM - 16 August, 2007
Taking the piss? What do you mean? These were serious questions, I was not playing.
Why would you need a SL1 or TTM57SL if the audio comes straight from the CD player? Or are you only controlling SSL with the CD players? If so.... you still need two stereo inputs on your mixer for each player, correct? And if so... what about the effects? IIRC someone said you can use the effects. How would that go if the audio just comes out of the SL1/TTM57SL?
Why would you need a SL1 or TTM57SL if the audio comes straight from the CD player? Or are you only controlling SSL with the CD players? If so.... you still need two stereo inputs on your mixer for each player, correct? And if so... what about the effects? IIRC someone said you can use the effects. How would that go if the audio just comes out of the SL1/TTM57SL?
digital_steve
5:08 AM - 16 August, 2007
The audio doesn't come from the iCDX, it comes from the SL1 unit as normal.
I was referring to using the iCDX to control SSL.
You can't use the effects as the iCDX isn't treating the audio.
I was referring to using the iCDX to control SSL.
You can't use the effects as the iCDX isn't treating the audio.
Dj BuddyLove
5:29 AM - 16 August, 2007
You can see how to use the idcx to control serato here::>www.numark.com
just check the video button on the left side and scroll down video's till you see icdx controling serato scratch.
man im thinking about getting on just so i can take it to work and set cue's,loops and work on some mixes.
just check the video button on the left side and scroll down video's till you see icdx controling serato scratch.
man im thinking about getting on just so i can take it to work and set cue's,loops and work on some mixes.
nobspangle
7:14 AM - 16 August, 2007
Where have you been Nik? ;) I reckon digital_steve was a little surprised that you didn't know how this worked, hence the "taking the piss" comment.
The iCDX is a crummy Numark CD player that can also be used to control SSL directly over USB without needing a control CD. This means it doesn't suffer from any of the problems associated with using other CD players in SSL.
The iCDX is a crummy Numark CD player that can also be used to control SSL directly over USB without needing a control CD. This means it doesn't suffer from any of the problems associated with using other CD players in SSL.
deepdjdanny
8:02 AM - 16 August, 2007
iCDX/SSL short summary.
1) iCDX knows how to access & trigger most features of SSL INT mode, exceptions definitely being: bleep & reverse, anymore than the third cue point, anymore than the first loop.
(Hint: NO midi to keyboard key mapping software running on your serato machine.)
Question would be then: If you instigate a SSL library search with the iCDX do you still have to use the laptop keyboard for text input or do you tediously like: minidisc track name rotary encoder alphanumeric edit/sms crap?
2) iCDX also knows how to access & read 'current deck's track loaded/playing' text & other info.
(This would've needed Serato/Rane permission; no?)
3) iCDX eject button DOESN'T access SSL 'input reverse' for alternate control of 'the other deck'; so actually you would'nt be able to treat you're SSL computer as a USB Hard Drive & would still have to have a monitor hooked up & on just to see where it is that you (still have to mouse) click for 'input reverse' switching.
4)... don't know where i'm going with this... :P
5) Thank You Steve :)
1) iCDX knows how to access & trigger most features of SSL INT mode, exceptions definitely being: bleep & reverse, anymore than the third cue point, anymore than the first loop.
(Hint: NO midi to keyboard key mapping software running on your serato machine.)
Question would be then: If you instigate a SSL library search with the iCDX do you still have to use the laptop keyboard for text input or do you tediously like: minidisc track name rotary encoder alphanumeric edit/sms crap?
2) iCDX also knows how to access & read 'current deck's track loaded/playing' text & other info.
(This would've needed Serato/Rane permission; no?)
3) iCDX eject button DOESN'T access SSL 'input reverse' for alternate control of 'the other deck'; so actually you would'nt be able to treat you're SSL computer as a USB Hard Drive & would still have to have a monitor hooked up & on just to see where it is that you (still have to mouse) click for 'input reverse' switching.
4)... don't know where i'm going with this... :P
5) Thank You Steve :)
deepdjdanny
8:12 AM - 16 August, 2007
...but, the gemini G thing 05 is ugly & it doesn't do this...
...& the hdx hasn't got a tone arm & i think it still can't do this...
...cdx/cdj are cd players.
... that vestax conroller is just that...
...i'm being very careful with my words & The context! :)
oh c'mon mFz; just make that One Thing: the be all to end all.
...& the hdx hasn't got a tone arm & i think it still can't do this...
...cdx/cdj are cd players.
... that vestax conroller is just that...
...i'm being very careful with my words & The context! :)
oh c'mon mFz; just make that One Thing: the be all to end all.
nobspangle
3:33 PM - 16 August, 2007
(This would've needed Serato/Rane permission; no?)
Have you got this one worked out danny? Serato built support for the iCDX into SSL that's why it works at all not just this part of showing the track details on screen.
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2) iCDX also knows how to access & read 'current deck's track loaded/playing' text & other info.(This would've needed Serato/Rane permission; no?)
Have you got this one worked out danny? Serato built support for the iCDX into SSL that's why it works at all not just this part of showing the track details on screen.
digital_steve
3:10 AM - 17 August, 2007
You can use the bleep/reverse functions in INT mode via the iCDX unit
The search function isn't the small text one, it's the large one that you can select different stuff from
The search function isn't the small text one, it's the large one that you can select different stuff from
nobspangle
7:45 AM - 17 August, 2007
The browse window?
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The search function isn't the small text one, it's the large one that you can select different stuff fromThe browse window?
digital_steve
6:40 AM - 20 August, 2007
yeah that one ... where you can select genres 'n bpm ranges and such
can't say i've used it ... ever
can't say i've used it ... ever
deepdjdanny
6:59 AM - 20 August, 2007
so u mean: you're still looking at you're computer's monitor-> serato library returned search results & not the little display on the iCDX right?
digital_steve
5:24 AM - 21 August, 2007
Yeah... it's just that the selections can be made from the iCDX
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