Serato DJ Pro General Discussion

Talk about Serato DJ Pro, expansion packs and supported hardware

ready for iPAd

djcerla 12:08 AM - 27 January, 2010
Only 17 hours, 54 minutes until the Apple Media Event... let's see if Steve Jobs will deliver something interesting for the DJ community.

First things coming to my mind?

A virtual LaunchPad for Ableton Live, connected via bluetooth or USB to our (upcoming) Bridged system.

Or FX manipulation via XY axis, à la Kaoss Pad...

Or imagine a ITCH new hardware with built-in iPAd dock... this one would be terrific.

More infos tomorrow.
kraal 12:16 AM - 27 January, 2010
ipad is not going to be more than a color kindle i am afraid :(
djcerla 12:24 AM - 27 January, 2010
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ipad is not going to be more than a color kindle i am afraid :(


Steve Jobs: "Best thing I've ever made"... hardly a color kindle :-)
kraal 12:35 AM - 27 January, 2010
that quote doesnt mean anything
djcerla 1:04 AM - 27 January, 2010
iCal'd
casket hands 1:32 AM - 27 January, 2010
giant iphone with a less gimped OS probs.
maestromind 1:45 AM - 27 January, 2010
It's gonna be geared towards education (think color textbooks/videos) so the color kindle comment isn't too far off, although it will really be a very powerful and large iPod touch. Steve Jobs wants to do to the rest of "old media" (newspapers, mags, textbooks, TV, etc.) what he did to music with iTunes/iPod.
He already has some very prominent old media moguls committed to provided content, but I doubt it will be able to really rock the house with color eInk on the way as a much cheaper textbook replacement (and netbook tablets for all your app/video/web needs).
Also, djcerla pretty much everything you've described can be done with just the iPhone - in fact there are existing apps out there that let you send MIDI signals over wifi to your computer. The tablet will just provide more real estate.
djcerla 1:59 AM - 27 January, 2010
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It's gonna be geared towards education


Just like the iPhone is geared towards making phone calls.
marcA 9:00 AM - 27 January, 2010
isn't it announced as the iSlate?
and why does every new thing has to be called 'i'...
trademarking will no doubt be a reason but seriously...
kraal 9:12 AM - 27 January, 2010
oh so they didnt go with the 'iGotmoremoneythansense' name?
djcerla 9:24 AM - 27 January, 2010
"i" stands for consumer level product.

Sense, Apple has a lot, they've just announced record revenues, record income, record Mac and iPhone sales (+100%).

Amazingly, they now have enough cash in bank ($40 billions, debt-free) to buy Dell by the pennies (or build a small atomic arsenal in-house, but as a shareholder I wouldn't agree on that option :)
marcA 9:46 AM - 27 January, 2010
seriously?
a Job(s) well done :)
djcerla 10:11 AM - 27 January, 2010
this is worth a read: macdailynews.com
marcA 10:26 AM - 27 January, 2010
nice :)
i can only say 1 thing and i'm saying it a long time now: the non apple hardware isn't profitable anylonger cause it is to cheap!, and hence to many compromises has to be made on quality...
an usb external disk of 1TB costs retail 65 euro's... this is insane, no real profit can be made with those prices.
so at the end it is proven that being cheap doesn't garantuee a damn thing..
i respect apple for their way of doing business at a profitable level, i wish dell / hp and all those others out there would do the same, we would get better products in the end...
do they have to make 40% net revenue?, i guess not, but for such companies they should target at least a margin that enables them to innovate (and that is what apple is able to do at this point, they have the cash to experiment without the need to market immediatly)...
oh well...
djcerla 1:15 PM - 27 January, 2010
@ marcA

yep... on the same revenue as Dell ($51B), Apple earns almost 10x ($11B vs $1.5B). Almost science fiction in today's soft economy.

Apple it's a very, vey well run company.

(4 hrs 45 minutes to go)
yeahdef 3:06 PM - 27 January, 2010
too bad its just a bigger version of the iphone and wont run itch. i was hoping to get a gooseneck holder for this thing and run itch on it.
djcerla 4:03 PM - 27 January, 2010
do you have one? no, so better not speculate on features until 6 PM.

BTW iPhone OS is Mac OSX, so it could run ITCH with just a few tweaks to adapt the input from keyboard to touch, for example.
yeahdef 4:52 PM - 27 January, 2010
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it could run ITCH with just a few tweaks to adapt the input from keyboard to touch, for example.


you're dreaming cerla - i highly doubt we'll be seeing itch on iPhone OS, ever.

and no, I don't have one - but almost all the rumor mills are stating its a iphone device with a big screen whose main backers are novel and textbook manufacturers / distributors.

but yeah - i guess we'll all know in about an hour.
djcerla 5:50 PM - 27 January, 2010
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you're dreaming cerla - i highly doubt we'll be seeing itch on iPhone OS, ever


sentence iCal'd for future conspicuous quoting :-)

I only tell you that if I was in Serato I would jump ***immediately*** on the tablet bandwagon, for a number of very good reasons including the buzz generated by such a move.
maestromind 5:53 PM - 27 January, 2010
BTW if anyone wants to watch the liveblog of the unveiling, Engadget is pretty good at that: www.engadget.com

I'm actually 3 blocks away from Yerba Buena where they're doing it, but unfortunately can't skip work - otherwise I'd bring some flight cases to the back entrance and say "oh yeah, I'm the DJ" (hey, there's like a 1% chance that might have worked).
casket hands 5:57 PM - 27 January, 2010
I'm watching this live.twit.tv

also: 30.media.tumblr.com :D
djcerla 6:01 PM - 27 January, 2010
Steve is out!
casket hands 6:02 PM - 27 January, 2010
hit the link above and there is a live audiostream
djcerla 6:10 PM - 27 January, 2010
iPad!
yeahdef 6:26 PM - 27 January, 2010
casket hands 6:44 PM - 27 January, 2010
definitely going to wait on this one but I could see myself enjoying it. I'll wait until the third version when they fix all the problems.
djcerla 7:05 PM - 27 January, 2010
This is going definitely to be a DJ device... even an all in one DJ app with vinyl-like touch controls would be killer... expect the first ones to come SOON!
yeahdef 7:11 PM - 27 January, 2010
hope ur right cerla.
not going to craigslist the vci or ns7 yet tho lol.
djcerla 7:13 PM - 27 January, 2010
Not at all.

But for a beginner, a $9.99 DJ app would look better than a $299 controller.
djcerla 7:13 PM - 27 January, 2010
Or, as a very portable backup system for us professionals.
kraal 7:16 PM - 27 January, 2010
great more itunes dj's :)
djcerla 7:18 PM - 27 January, 2010
many more! :D
djcerla 7:20 PM - 27 January, 2010
$499

fantastic price point, too!
djcerla 7:21 PM - 27 January, 2010


I told you not to speak too soon :-)

$499
kraal 7:22 PM - 27 January, 2010
i am sure you are thinking of something like this

www.jazzmutant.com
djcerla 7:23 PM - 27 January, 2010
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i am sure you are thinking of something like this

www.jazzmutant.com



No, more like a spinning vinyl interface with touch mixer.
djcerla 7:25 PM - 27 January, 2010
djcerla 7:33 PM - 27 January, 2010
djcerla 7:35 PM - 27 January, 2010
"We've always tried to be at the intersection of technology and liberal arts -- we want to make the best tech, but have them be intuitive. It's the combination of these two things that have let us make the iPad."

www.blogcdn.com
djcerla 7:35 PM - 27 January, 2010
Very excited about this iPad folks.
JonnyLove 7:46 PM - 27 January, 2010
Really it's just seems to me like a larger ipod touch. Nothing new nothing revolutionary. What if I want to skype someone. No camera. Even the lowest price netbooks have a camera.

Price is ok but not exactly going to blow the competition away.
djcerla 7:50 PM - 27 January, 2010
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Price is ok but not exactly going to blow the competition away.


What competition?
maestromind 7:50 PM - 27 January, 2010
Well it's $499 for a very base model. Even my iPhone is filled up at 16GB with just music and a few small apps. Assuming you would want all that and more emails, docs, and movies 32GB seems like the bare minimum. When you add 3G that comes out to $829 + $30/month for service. Hardly a bargain IMO (and I love Apple products). I will say that watching the tape on AAPL vs. AMZN during the event was very amusing, however.
dejabede 7:56 PM - 27 January, 2010
iPad = iFail

Just a bigger iPod Touch, with nothing new to offer.
djcerla 7:59 PM - 27 January, 2010
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watching the tape on AAPL vs. AMZN during the event was very amusing, however.


From Yahoo Finance: "Apple lifts the NASDAQ". This is going to sell like hotcakes.
JonnyLove 8:14 PM - 27 January, 2010
Plus you still have to sync with a fecking cable why not bluetooth or wifi?.

Competition wise. Ok nothing like this yet but there were loads being displayed @ CES so they are coming. I love apple but they let me down on this by a very large margin.
Dj Beware 8:28 PM - 27 January, 2010
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Plus you still have to sync with a fecking cable why not bluetooth or wifi?.

Competition wise. Ok nothing like this yet but there were loads being displayed @ CES so they are coming. I love apple but they let me down on this by a very large margin.


Does have Bluetooth and WIfi, in fact even 3G options

I think its kind of a cool device but nothing reveloutionary as they mention, especially since it only has 10hours battery life. I have a Kindle and even with 3G on it lasts a week.

the battery life simply kills it for me, its not a complete failure.......but because of the lemmings like society we are in I think it will sell very well just because Apple makes it.........and by the way I love Apple products so I am certainly not hating on them
maestromind 8:31 PM - 27 January, 2010
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From Yahoo Finance: "Apple lifts the NASDAQ". This is going to sell like hotcakes.

I wouldn't trust Yahoo Finance as an authoritative source. AAPL is only up 0.8% (roughly same amount as the NASDAQ).
spazz 8:38 PM - 27 January, 2010
I like it, and I think they have another winner. However I can envision the next version being significantly better.
FYC / CYFA 8:52 PM - 27 January, 2010
i will personally be buyin one... then maybe i can use those handy midi apps with multi layer pads to swipe through fro efx,loops,cues, ect.. once someone designs such an app of course... hehe
JonnyLove 9:17 PM - 27 January, 2010
@ DJ Beware. I meant why can it not sync through bluetooth & wifi why do I have to plug it into my mac which could be in another room. It's not a massive problem but they could of added this at least. Same with the camera as well. If it did those I would get one unfortunately I'll miss this one out for the moment.
dejabede 9:43 PM - 27 January, 2010
Bridge may be near... but it's not even on the horizon. If what you are saying is true, then why can't we already do this stuff on our iPhones or Touch's?? It is the exact same OS, and the exact same features. There is literally NOTHING new in the iPad. It is as bare bones as you can get... only 64 gigs of memory?? Really? I expected the minimum to be 64, with like 300gb available. I think I am one of many who are not impressed.

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Just a bigger iPod Touch, with nothing new to offer.

Great reasoning. And the moon is like a bigger tennis ball.

The bridge is near. Can you imagine running Itch on the Mac and Ableton on the iPAD, adding samples and loops with your finger from the stage? OOHHhhrsgasmic...

At 12:31 AM 5 September 2009
breakermixer wrote: If the Apple iPAD works like a Macbook Pro, U got the DJ tool of the year. www.serato.com
JonnyLove 9:43 PM - 27 January, 2010
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Just a bigger iPod Touch, with nothing new to offer.

Great reasoning. And the moon is like a bigger tennis ball.

The bridge is near. Can you imagine running Itch on the Mac and Ableton on the iPAD, adding samples and loops with your finger from the stage? OOHHhhrsgasmic...

At 12:31 AM 5 September 2009
breakermixer wrote: If the Apple iPAD works like a Macbook Pro, U got the DJ tool of the year. www.serato.com


Now with this I agree with but they need to improve the DJ apps quick to make it worth while. If they do then I'll get one
djcerla 9:51 PM - 27 January, 2010
2001: the iPod? Nothing new! The iRiver is much better. Expensive, it will flop. Apple is doomed.

2007: the iPhone? Nothing new! The LG Prada is more stilish. Going to bury Apple.

2008: the iPad? Nothing new! The Amazon Kindle has better battery life. No camera, only 64 GB, a sure flop, will crush Apple.
djcerla 9:52 PM - 27 January, 2010
*2010 :)
kraal 9:58 PM - 27 January, 2010
your quotes are made - up

face it the Ipad is not and never will be a dj tool.... this post needs to be moved to general discussion ... it has NOTHING to do with ITCH or djing......
djcerla 9:59 PM - 27 January, 2010
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From Yahoo Finance: "Apple lifts the NASDAQ". This is going to sell like hotcakes.

I wouldn't trust Yahoo Finance as an authoritative source. AAPL is only up 0.8% (roughly same amount as the NASDAQ).


Seems like you don't follow the stock markets much.

AAPL is the typical "buy-the-rumour sell-the-news" kind of stock. Frankly, I was expecting a 3-5% drop (not only me, but most analysts Jim Cramer included).

The stock will swing in the next days, but granted this +0.8% is a very bullish signal for AAPL watchers.
djcerla 10:00 PM - 27 January, 2010
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face it the Ipad is not and never will be a dj tool....


it will be a DJ tool as soon as 15 days after the launch.
yeahdef 10:41 PM - 27 January, 2010
lol cerla just give it up.
this was a bad decision from apple just like the macbook air.
i love most of their products but the company is not infallible.
djcerla 10:48 PM - 27 January, 2010
The Macbook Air was a niche product selling for $1799.

The iPad is a mass market product appealing to a wide demography, selling for $499.

The fact that you compare the two things shows beyond any doubt a total lack of knowledge of this industry.
casket hands 10:54 PM - 27 January, 2010
If I wanted a netbook I would get one except I don't.
yeahdef 11:04 PM - 27 January, 2010
hahahaha ok cerla.
cant wait till half a month after the launch when we have all those revolutionary dj apps ur talking about.
blindly following the hype b/c you own stock - i understand.

ill just keep my dell netbook hackintosh ($200), which already runs itch perfectly.
dejabede 11:04 PM - 27 January, 2010
Cerla... you are the type of person that Steve Jobs loves. A sucker.
djfrancov 11:19 PM - 27 January, 2010
Why are u guys talking without knowing the product... is obvious that some people would be interested in this product, especially if is a 500 bucks apple machine. Maybe you feel you don't need it until u see someone using it to the fullest.
elsupermang 11:24 PM - 27 January, 2010
Was not that impressed by it. It's basically a giant ipod touch. The same limitations of the iphone/itouch seem to exists here ie. no multitasking, limited filesystem access, no flash, restricted API/SDK. It's limiting itself by living in the same walled garden as the iphone.....
casket hands 11:32 PM - 27 January, 2010
Maybe I'll grab a google version in a couple years.
spazz 11:39 PM - 27 January, 2010
It's def got some shortcomings, however that doesn't mean it's flop. It's a nicely priced product that put's them on a good path with this type of next-level technology. I can see all kinda of potential here, but like anything else, it's got to start somewhere. If you took time to listen to the video on Apples site you would have heard them say that they decided to go with a bottom up approach, meaning more goodies to come.
ontime1269 11:59 PM - 27 January, 2010
You guys know you want to try this........LOL
www.djforums.com
djcerla 12:21 AM - 28 January, 2010
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You guys know you want to try this........LOL
www.djforums.com


this is the kind of stuff that will flood in very quickly after the release (the SDK is already available for developers).

@ dejabede

having a different opinion doesn't give you the right to personally offend; I have reported your post.
jonDough 12:33 AM - 28 January, 2010
Another question is if this will even run any DJ Apps realtime as it uses a custom 1GHz processor (I don't think it will). I'd imagine playing a song and then loading another in itch that hasn't been scanned already would give you pops and clicks not to mention adding effects processing on top of that.
spazz 12:39 AM - 28 January, 2010
Let me repeat what I stated above "If you took time to listen to the video on Apples site you would have heard them say that they decided to go with a bottom up approach, meaning more goodies to come." and also meaning this is not the final, end-all for this product. This is just a basic starting point for them. Be patient and use your imagination for now. Apple is not a stupid company.
DJ Xio 12:43 AM - 28 January, 2010
I'm buying one... Just for meetings, showing videos, pictures and contracts to my clients on a 1.5 lb super light product, and ebooks alone, $500 is so worth it... I will probably be getting the 32gb version with 3g.

People use your imagination, that's the only way to raise above the competition (wink)
jonDough 12:46 AM - 28 January, 2010
@DJ Xio, my question is what do you use today to do those things and why did that way all of a sudden become obsolete?
kraal 12:50 AM - 28 January, 2010
i am with dj xio with this it is perfect for my design clients ect..... not great for djing but for showing art ect
DJ Xio 12:50 AM - 28 January, 2010
It hasn't... For example, I own a 17" Macbook Pro that weights close to 7lbs... I meet with clients all over the place, and sometimes it requires long walks.

1. Convenience
2. Portability
3. Practicality

That's on one end...

On the other... I love to read books, and my laptop just quiet doesn't cut it for that.
This is just 10 times more portable and obviously better suited for many more tasks than my iphone's 3G screen.
kraal 12:51 AM - 28 January, 2010
i also will get it for the books and magazines
DJ Xio 12:52 AM - 28 January, 2010
Let's not forget... It will be a great ice breaker for clients in meetings... at least for the first few months, probably longer....
jonDough 12:53 AM - 28 January, 2010
Agreed on your first points, I am not sold on it as an ebook reader mainly b/c of what looks to be a glossy lcd screen which would be terrible for reading (glare and eye fatigue).
DJ Xio 12:54 AM - 28 January, 2010
It's the equivalent of being on the computer on a glossy laptop for 2 / 3 hours... does it really fatigue your eyes?
djcerla 12:56 AM - 28 January, 2010
as a side note, this is a killer game machine, compatible with all the iPhone/iPod Touch games out of the box, not to mention the new titles that will take full advantage of the new chip and bigger screen.

the $499 price point is within the reach of teenagers, and you don't need GPS nor 3G to play games on a gorgeous 9.7" screen.
jonDough 12:57 AM - 28 January, 2010
I'm a developer so I look at a screen for 10+ hours a day so I'm not really the best person to answer that question. My gf is a serious ebook reader (has a kindle and nook) and reads about 5-10 ebooks a week and I don't think she could do that in front of a computer screen.
DJ Xio 12:58 AM - 28 January, 2010
Considering most people that work 9 to 5 jobs face a computer 8 hours a day... I don't see a problem with our current screen technology!
spazz 1:04 AM - 28 January, 2010
Just like the MacBooks I can see them having this glossy screen and anti-glare screen version that's a few dollars more.
jonDough 1:05 AM - 28 January, 2010
I'm not going to argue that the tech is not good enough, but for ebooks I think eink is vastly superior. Especially when you look at the ages of your avg ebook buyer.
djcerla 1:09 AM - 28 January, 2010
@ kraal

good news for you

the iPad uses a IPS screen:

"Because of its wide viewing angle and accurate color reproduction (with almost no off-angle color shift), IPS is widely employed in high-end monitors aimed at professional graphic artists"
DJ Xio 1:09 AM - 28 January, 2010
Let's not forget you get a lot of value for your money.
Let's break it down like this.

Kindle $300
PSP $200
Ipod $200
Portable DVD Player $150

You can merge all of these for $499 figuratively speaking!

I would also rather use this a million more times than a kindle, for the color features alone.
djcerla 1:11 AM - 28 January, 2010
another thing that a kindle can't do is to drive an external monitor via dock connector... nice feature.
DJ Xio 1:13 AM - 28 January, 2010
With the 150,000+ APPs for the iphone.. The usability of this device is endless!
djcerla 1:21 AM - 28 January, 2010
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With the 150,000+ APPs for the iphone


140.000+
djcerla 1:29 AM - 28 January, 2010
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Another question is if this will even run any DJ Apps realtime as it uses a custom 1GHz processor (I don't think it will


according to Engadget:

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The speed of the CPU is something to be marveled at. It is blazingly fast from what we can tell
jonDough 1:30 AM - 28 January, 2010
That's Engadget (which I frequent), they are known to be apple lovers ;).
djcerla 1:59 AM - 28 January, 2010
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That's Engadget (which I frequent), they are known to be apple lovers ;).


according to Gizmodo:

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it's fasssstttt.

Apple didn't really sell this point, but it's the single biggest benefit of the iPad: speed. It feels at least a generation faster than the iPhone 3GS. Lags and waits are gone, and the OS and apps respond just as quickly as you'd hope. Rotating between portrait and landscape modes, especially, is where this new horsepower manifests in the OS.
kraal 3:00 AM - 28 January, 2010
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That's Engadget (which I frequent), they are known to be apple lovers ;).

but for what they do you cannot deny that apple has some of the best gagets
jonDough 3:41 AM - 28 January, 2010
Agreed, Apple does have some of the best gadgets (also they pretty much own the industry in showing how a user interface should look/work).
kraal 3:44 AM - 28 January, 2010
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@ kraal

good news for you

the iPad uses a IPS screen:

"Because of its wide viewing angle and accurate color reproduction (with almost no off-angle color shift), IPS is widely employed in high-end monitors aimed at professional graphic artists"

yup apple has always been good to me :)
Braindrop 3:19 PM - 28 January, 2010
Yeah, I'll be buying one solely as a good Kindle. Right now, my iPhone is a better Kindle reader than the actual Kindle -- the pad will destroy it.
czar 7:02 PM - 28 January, 2010
1GHz Apple A4 custom-designed, high-performance, low-power system-on-a-chip

its a nice concept, :) but I have priorities, which is why I think that by the time people can afford this devices as companion devices there will be other companies offering them. The great thing about this is that viruses are no issue on these kind of devices because the memory can be flash memory. :)
Kmxorbit 7:37 PM - 28 January, 2010
It cannot display Flash driven internet sites?
No USB connectivity?
No memory expandibility?
No HDMI?
huh?

Bummer...
maestromind 8:18 PM - 28 January, 2010
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Seems like you don't follow the stock markets much.

Well my day job is trading a $200 million hedge fund, and I had great returns in both 2008 and 2009, but hey you consider Jim Cramer a reputable analyst.
BTW - what you wrote had no relevance to your original post about AAPL pushing NASDAQ up.
maestromind 8:59 PM - 28 January, 2010
Oh and before this gets any more out of hand let me just say that I have enormous respect for Cerla when it comes to DJing, so I hope there are no hard feelings.
Kmxorbit 9:29 PM - 28 January, 2010
not even a built-in earphone connetion? and they claim it can be used as an iphone/ipod? strange...
djcerla 9:32 PM - 28 January, 2010
@ maestromind

I've "included" Jim Cramer despite the fact he's more a TV clown kind than other, because he has some influence as far as I know.

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most analysts Jim Cramer included


no hard feelings mate! but I know this stock (and only this stock) very well, as it served me like a mega-ATM in the last 5 years.

@kmxorbit

USB connectivity via dock adapter, earphone connection built-in, Flash... never felt the need of Flash when browsing on the iPhone.
djcerla 9:44 PM - 28 January, 2010
nice article: "missing things" on the iPad: www.wired.com
Kmxorbit 9:51 PM - 28 January, 2010
you're right. Found the specs and an earphone jack should be present.

The lack of flash is a real bummer... loads of internet sites will not load properly or show great gaps. try to surf to beatport with your iphone. you know what i mean then....
djcerla 9:52 PM - 28 January, 2010
beatport? prepare for a Beatport App.
D-RoC71 10:11 PM - 28 January, 2010
This would be a great MIDI controller. I know there's an App for that.
djcerla 10:12 PM - 28 January, 2010
Seriously, HTML 5 will soon provide much better, more CPU-efficient tools for rich Web contents.

There are "missing" features, but it's typical Apple ("missing" floppy-disc drive on the PowerMac, "missing" FM tuner on the iPod, "missing" keyboard on the iPhone, just to name three).

The only thing I personally feel "missing" in this iPad is a front-facing camera for video chat. I like this product a lot, and the developers will complete the picture.
D-RoC71 10:16 PM - 28 January, 2010
I'm with you Cerla.... I see the potential of the product. Not just for what it offers but all of the possibilities.

Heck, who would've thought that you can use an iphone as a midi controller?

I feel u man!!!
Serato, Forum Moderator
Matt-C 10:42 PM - 28 January, 2010
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Seriously, HTML 5 will soon provide much better, more CPU-efficient tools for rich Web contents.


I'm pretty sure Apple are pushing hard away from Flash technology, it's all fairly political. There was a great history of the web article floating about a few months back describing how various companies have swayed web development by simply ignoring or not supporting various web features, and even breaking away form their agreed to 'standards'.... so with this in mind, you may see a massive loss of Flash content (designers and programmers of the world rejoice) as more and more people get iPod Touches, iPhones and iPads...

iPad looks amazing for what it is. People thinking of it as a flat touchscreen laptop won't be happy - but it is what it is. Think how much it would cost to put a Macbook Pro in a iPad enclosure! Ouch....

:D
djcerla 10:50 PM - 28 January, 2010
@ Matt-c

A Serato standalone DJ software sold with 2 outputs audio interface (master out + PFL) would be amazing... the perfect entry-level point for the Serato world (build your library, then get ITCH/SSL when your needs grow)

FX, sampler, library... everything tabbed in gorgeous 9.7" GUIs. Wow.
elsupermang 11:21 PM - 28 January, 2010
I think Korg should jump on it with a kaos pad-like app...multi-touch X-Y pad. I won't be getting one though. Don't see the need and i'm pretty sure 2.0 will be much much better. Have to save up for Iphone 4.0 lol...
djcerla 11:29 PM - 28 January, 2010
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I think Korg should jump on it with a kaos pad-like app...multi-touch X-Y pad


It would take a line audio input for this... the iPad only has a microphone.

I'd rather see X-Y FX manipulation in native DJ apps, or a X-Y MIDI control app for Traktor/Ableton Live... or the STFX app (Serato Touch Effects).
D-RoC71 11:31 PM - 28 January, 2010
Or a XY efx pad for the NSFX....that would be HOOTTTT!!!
D-RoC71 11:44 PM - 28 January, 2010
Hells yah...it's just a matter of time.
djcerla 11:48 PM - 28 January, 2010
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Do you think is possible that someone in a near future may develop an emulator and we can run a "light version" of Windows or OSX on the iPAD?


not too sure about this... what I know is that many, many applications will be released in native format.

If it's the file system what you're looking for, there will obviously be one.
casket hands 4:30 AM - 29 January, 2010
just so cerla can say I told you so

forums.macrumors.com
czar 5:14 AM - 29 January, 2010
I can do all this since 3 or 4 years ago with an Ipaq. Much smaller and portable. Some people just like smaller useful stuff. If it folded and was thin as paper then yes I would see it's revolutionary qualities but it has no camera, and can u use it as a phone to call via Bluetooth? if it can do all a macbook can and has teh same powerful processor then yes im sold because it replaces the macbook but does it? All the info that I have found so far points to a device to use with Itunes Ibooks and I like apple hehe :)

quote from jobs "its very thin, and its just great to browse the internet with ur fingers"

some people will be happy with the iphone they already have sorry.
czar 5:25 AM - 29 January, 2010
oh yes I forgot to mention also from Jobs mouth "you can change background images also, and put your own picture as background if you want" lol come on.

Watchwww.youtube.com
spazz 6:39 AM - 29 January, 2010
Wow, that was pretty dam funny... :-)
marcA 8:06 AM - 29 January, 2010
i read it can't multi thread
so no background processing...
i guess that is a no go for itch like apps...
djcerla 9:43 AM - 29 January, 2010
It can multithread, of course. As the iPhone, it doesn't allow for multitasking yet, but what it has to do with ITCH?
djcerla 10:00 AM - 29 January, 2010
@ casket hands

Exactly. interestingly enough, the comments on the iPod mimic those we're reading these days from "tech geeks". Big disappointment it was... until it eventually changed the music business and Apple's destiny.

Also interesting, and what most of the pundits totally overlook, is that device is aimed squarely to people that don't use much computers because it's "too complicated": a huge, uncharted market.

This thing you're laughing on today, will have a very deep impact on personal computing and entertainment, just like the once laughed iPod had on music.
djcerla 10:21 AM - 29 January, 2010
sorry, bad English this morning :)
marcA 10:44 AM - 29 January, 2010
Quote:
It can multithread, of course. As the iPhone, it doesn't allow for multitasking yet, but what it has to do with ITCH?

referring to multithread...i presume itch is heavily multithreaded...
anyway without direct usb you need an intermediate connector which adds to the chance of failure...
would be nice though
marcA 10:48 AM - 29 January, 2010
[quoteAlso interesting, and what most of the pundits totally overlook, is that device is aimed squarely to people that don't use much computers because it's "too complicated": a huge, uncharted market.

This thing you're laughing on today, will have a very deep impact on personal computing and entertainment, just like the once laughed iPod had on music.
hmm i'm not so sure... i really don't think that anyone who really wants to use computers is scared by them...
and i see this ipad thing more as a crossover to something more flexibel and more integrated into the household...
or is this Avatar thing still playing in my head :)
djcerla 10:58 AM - 29 January, 2010
hi marcA

the connector is... just a connector, not an hub :)

but more than ITCH, this tables is perfect for a DJ system with touch controls... we'll see many of these creeping out in the next 3 months... If I was in Serato, I'd seriously think about it as a "entry level" solution.

Also, on people "scared" by computers: I've wrote the sentence not because I've read an article on this on Reuters, but just because of the demographic kind of people who asked me infos on the tablet in these last 2 days, as the iPad appeared heavily on the Italian press.

Looks like "tech experts" struggle to find a hole in their digital lifestile for this "iThing", and dismiss it as a fail without further investigation, while less tech-educated people are amazed by the demos and are planning to buy one (including my gf, and my business partner for our club events, who is currently using an Acer netbook)
marcA 11:09 AM - 29 January, 2010
@djcerla,
no doubt this has a market, i'm 100% sure of that, otherwise apple wouldn't market it in the first place...
and since i don't expect that much of it i guess it only can become more appealing :)
and i only can say that here it ain't that big a hype, so probably it is conceived very differently across countries...
djcerla 1:40 PM - 29 January, 2010
Here a nice collection of "IT Experts" predictions on the iPhone back in 2007, including Microsoft execs and CEO, Palm CEO, Computerworld, market analysts:

macdailynews.com

this one sounds amazingly similar to what some "IT Experts" are claiming now about the iPad:

Quote:
"Apple is slated to come out with a new phone... And it will largely fail.... Sales for the phone will skyrocket initially. However, things will calm down, and the Apple phone will take its place on the shelves with the random video cameras, cell phones, wireless routers and other would-be hits... When the iPod emerged in late 2001, it solved some major problems with MP3 players. Unfortunately for Apple, problems like that don't exist in the handset business. Cell phones aren't clunky, inadequate devices. Instead, they are pretty good. Really good." - Michael Kanellos, CNET, December 07, 2006


Spot on, Mickey! :D
djcerla 1:49 PM - 29 January, 2010
... and this one, too:

Quote:
"I can’t believe the hype being given to iPhone... I just have to wonder who will want one of these things (other than the religious faithful)... So please mark this post and come back in two years to see the results of my prediction: I predict they will not sell anywhere near the 10M Jobs predicts for 2008." - Richard Sprague, Microsoft Senior Marketing Director, January 18, 2007
marcA 1:50 PM - 29 January, 2010
@cerla,
you are really deep into this aren't you :)
we have a saying here that goes as follow:
when the heart is full of something the mouth can't stop talking about it
:)

passion is great :)
marcA 2:36 PM - 29 January, 2010
Braindrop 3:32 PM - 29 January, 2010
Most of the people bashing it seem to be Mac folks who thought they were going to get a flat, thin, MacBook, or Apple haters.

Personally, I never thought it would be anything but a big version of the touch, so my expectations were pretty much met spot-on. I think they'll sell a ton of them. I'll probably buy a couple for me and my wife, and maybe give out the low-end $499 one as Xmas presents next year to my nieces and nephews. The fact it requires no data contract at all makes it a great gift.
yeahdef 3:40 PM - 29 January, 2010
images.encyclopediadramatica.com

ill stick with my nano
djcerla 3:47 PM - 29 January, 2010
Quote:
images.encyclopediadramatica.com

ill stick with my nano


why are you so compelled to write about the iPad if it's true that you don't like it? after 4 University exams in Psychology, I have a pretty clear idea on the answer.
djcerla 5:07 PM - 29 January, 2010
UPDATE: the iPad DOES Flash, indeed.

www.macrumors.com
marcA 5:21 PM - 29 January, 2010
marcA 5:23 PM - 29 January, 2010
yeahdef 5:47 PM - 29 January, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
images.encyclopediadramatica.com

ill stick with my nano


after 4 University exams in Psychology, I have a pretty clear idea on the answer.


well i dont mean to challenge the credibility of someone who has complete FOUR! (wow!) psychology tests. i just posted that because i thought it was a funny stab at apple's tendency to shrink their product line over the life of the product, instead of enlarge it.
czar 5:54 PM - 29 January, 2010
Technique chemically unstable, set to explode
foretold by the dead sea scrolls written in codes
so if your "message"(product) ain't sh**, fu** the "records" (products) you sold
cuz if you go platinum, it's got nothing to do with luck
it just means that a million people are stupid as fu**

Immortal Technique - Industrial Revolution
Dj Beware 7:32 PM - 29 January, 2010
Quote:
Yeah, I'll be buying one solely as a good Kindle. Right now, my iPhone is a better Kindle reader than the actual Kindle -- the pad will destroy it.


How do you figure? Why do you prefer the iPhone, for stricly reading, I can't see how you would prefer the iPhone for reading over the Kindle.......I as well have both.
elsupermang 9:13 PM - 29 January, 2010
I think the Ipad will not live up to apple's expectations. The sales will kind of be riding off the apple hype and unless they introduce game changing features and applications I don't see it doing anywhere near as well as the iphone or ipod. Both the ipod and iphone are devices that achieve a specific goal and satisfy a need. Ipod specialized in music, Iphone replaced your phone/mp3 player. Even the 1.0 Iphone had a big wow factor to it, as did the 1st generation ipod. This is nowhere near that level.

That being said I think if they bank on the education and e-book markets they will do well enough. The brushes app was probably the best demo and best implementation of the Ipad's features. universities can replace textbooks with Ipad e-books at cheaper prices (although that probably wont happen if the textbook ppl have anything to say about it)
casket hands 9:44 PM - 29 January, 2010
people dont need great excuses to buy quality gadgets. this will do very very well.
Braindrop 9:54 PM - 29 January, 2010
re: Kindle

Well, you can start with low-lighting problems with the Kindle -- that's the biggest one for me. The Kindle physical design reminds me of my first Apple ][+ computer -- all that sexy beige plastic. The Kindle keyboard is wasted space IMO also.

The whole size issue I have with the Kindle is a push with the iPad, which is why it would rarely leave the house unless I was traveling.

Between my Kindle books (even though I don't own a Kindle) and Stanza, I've replaced about 300 paperbacks in my house and moved them to my iPhone -- and I no longer have to carry around an "emergency" book in my truck in case I get stuck somewhere for more than 3 minutes (after 3 minutes, if I have nothing to read, I'll start randomly shooting at strangers).
kraal 9:57 PM - 29 January, 2010
Quote:
I think the Ipad will not live up to apple's expectations. --- I don't see it doing anywhere near as well as the iphone or ipod. Both the ipod and iphone are devices that achieve a specific goal and satisfy a need. Ipod specialized in music, Iphone replaced your phone/mp3 player. Even the 1.0 Iphone had a big wow factor to it, as did the 1st generation ipod. This is nowhere near that level.


i think you just dont see the need yet. this is not a phone or mp3 player....comparing it to one is wrong.
i can see a household having 2 or 3 of these....dad reading his paper junior playing game sis watching cinderella... ect

the add school text books, business apps, store catalog .... i think it is game changing
Dj Beware 2:09 AM - 30 January, 2010
@Briandrop

If you were reading a normal book low lighting would also be an issue, and in my opinion reading a device like the iPad or iPhone for an extend time might be bad for your eyes.

I guess the way I see it is I prefer the simplicity of the Kindle for ereading, I see it kind of how I compare ITCH and Virtual DJ. I own both products, but I much prefer the simplicity of ITCH, VDJ without a doubt has more bells and whistles (of course ITCH is being updated to have more bells and whistles), but for just straight DJing I much rather use ITCH :) I guess I view it the same way that I view reading I would much rather use the Kindle. For other stuff that a iPad can do I would rather use my laptop, or my iPhone, I just can't see how the iPad makes anything that much easiser. But I am not saying the iPad is a bad product, I guess with a specific pupose in mind like Kraal mentioned showing proofs to client its kind of cool but for comparing it to an ereader I just can't agree, battery life alone to me doesn't cut it. I take my Kindle when I travel and I don't charge it for over a week sometimes. I would see my self getting frustrated if I had an iPad having to charge it more often, especially since I already have a iPhone that can do all the things a iPad will potentially do......but at the end of the I probaly will still buy an iPad since I am a gadget freak.....
jcbklyny 8:22 AM - 30 January, 2010
I think a lot of people don't have A CLUE what the iPad really is. It just goes to show how many people will buy ANY shiny new product with an apple on it.

I can't tell you how many people don't even know that it's running iPhone OS and NOT OSX. That Multitasking is OUT OF THE QUESTION and you will NEVER run Ableton or Serato on it. Flash (75% of ALL streaming video content online) is and always will be impossible! Why give you Flash when we want you to BUY that TV episode from the iTunes store?? Classic Apple. The iPad is NOT a tablet computer! This is where I feel they dropped the ball, big time!

It IS in fact a big IPOD Touch. Which isn't to say I'm slamming it. For those of you who mentioned it as a great touch screen OSC controller, your right. For $500 it makes a great controller, but beyond that... nothing special.

This surprises me. In a year where dozens of tablets running full blown Windows 7 are coming out, why release a big ipod?? If Apple put OSX on this, they would have killed the PC tablet market before it ever got started. I understand you want to milk every penny out of your customers, but come on!
kraal 8:50 AM - 30 January, 2010
i think you are missing what it is.... it is NOT a tablet PC it is something inbetween... apple is smart enough to know if you have a choice of the ipad and an ibook you would get they ibook if they were the same pound for pound.
marcA 9:14 AM - 30 January, 2010
it becomes more and more clearly to me that this device is a crossover :)
when sales will be good they'll upgrade that one with some goodies and gadgets to evolve in a true tablet laptop with some advanced features that will be truly innovative...i'm sure they already are cooking something...
i see true voice interpretation and moving the mouse by thought...
mark my words :)
djcerla 10:04 AM - 30 January, 2010
Quote:
That Multitasking is OUT OF THE QUESTION and you will NEVER run Ableton or Serato on it


iCal'd for future quoting, on both parts of the sentence.

Quote:
Flash (75% of ALL streaming video content online) is and always will be impossible!


This is pure Adobe hype: first off, YouTube translates in H264 when an iPhone OS device requests the video, second, the CPU-hungry, inefficient Flash will eventually become irrilevant as soon as HTML 5 will be adopted (this year).

Quote:
In a year where dozens of tablets running full blown Windows 7 are coming out, why release a big ipod??


Tablets with Windows have been one of the biggest flops in the tech industry since Gates claimed "will replace the laptop in 5 years" in 2001. The whole market for Windows tablets is about 3M units a year. Apple is seen selling about 6 to 9 millions iPads in 2010 (with limited international rolloff and only 9 months to go before end of year).

OS's like Windows or OSX are built on aging concepts, with desktop computers in mind; Chrome OS and iPad/iPhone OS are fresh approaches on the matter, and will take personal computing to a new paradigm of simplicity and user-friendliness.

The so called "Tech Experts" sometimes struggle to understand big sea changes like this, until they eventually see bazillions units sold.

Steve Jobs took 10 years, and many aborted designs to have a tablet computer that "fully satisfies" him; those that are dismissing the iPad on silly reasons like lack of Flash, without even trying to "get" the concept and figure out how people will interact with it and why they will want one, will have to eat their hat very soon.
djcerla 10:17 AM - 30 January, 2010
Quote:
If Apple put OSX on this


You may not know that iPhone and iPad OS's are built on OSX, with a different GUI on top.
jonDough 10:52 AM - 30 January, 2010
Lets be clear on the html5 video tag, the tag will be available but the codec may not be in your browser of choice. For instance, go try out youtube's html5 interface (it doesn't work in firefox).
djcerla 11:17 AM - 30 January, 2010
some additional insights:

Quote:
Joe Hewitt, a prominent developer who had given up the App Store (he is the developer of Facebook for iPhone), is excited about the prospects of the iPad.

iPad is an incredible opportunity for developers to re-imagine every single category of desktop and web software there is. Seriously, if you're a developer and you're not thinking about how your app could work better on the iPad and its descendants, you deserve to get left behind.


iPhone game developers have been particularly vocal about their enthusiasm for the iPad. Firemint, the developers behind the massively successful Flight Control game have already committed to an iPad adaptation. Meanwhile, they also believe that the iPad could offer more personal multi-player experiences:
There’s something very satisfying about sitting in a circle with family and friends and sharing an experience, whether it’s gathering around a camp fire, around the kitchen table or around an iPad. At the moment multiplayer games often physically separate people from each other. You might be in completely different places playing World of Warcraft over the Internet. You might be sitting on a sofa playing console games with friends, but facing a large screen instead of each other. iPad could be different, and once a family has gathered around it to play a board game, we think they are far more likely to try other kinds of games too.

Several forum readers have expressed excitement that music tools akin to the Jazz Mutant Lemur


The last sentence is enlightening about what to expect from the iPad for us DJ's/musicians.

(source: Macrumors.com)
Braindrop 1:07 PM - 30 January, 2010
@DJ Beware
Yes, low-light is a problem with real books too -- which is why I like the iPhone as a reader even more. And the things that I really can't read on the iPhone (usually technical stuff, magazines, anything diagram-heavy) because of small screen space will look just fine on the iPad.

I'm not a Mac guy, so I never had a hard-on for a tablet MacBook, so I guess I'm not as filled with ragequit as many.
RiddimE 10:20 PM - 30 January, 2010
djcerla 11:06 PM - 30 January, 2010
Stopped reading after point 1: complaining about the bezel that allows for the device to be held without touching the screen. Read what Mossberg says about the iPad, time better spent.
zaguama 3:07 AM - 1 February, 2010
i'm old school, i like reading a real book, the books are just more than written words, nothing like the feeling of sitting on a couch, feeling the pages and reading a good book oh well you just gotta go with the flow. Just my opinion ;)
kraal 4:19 AM - 1 February, 2010
zaguama i used to think that with my art now i dont like drawing with out my mac and wacom tablet
djcerla 2:31 PM - 1 February, 2010
Windows 7 on iPad: www.9to5mac.com
MusicDan 3:48 PM - 1 February, 2010
Very Funny, I must have missed that...
djcerla 9:39 AM - 2 February, 2010
DJ TECHTOOLS blows it big.

www.djtechtools.com

Seems like the guys behind that (usually great) site have no clues on mobile devices, and, still, feel the need to jump on the iPad discussion bandwagon.

1) the iPad has no RAM

What? no RAM??? Mate, this is serious... even the iPhone has 256MB RAM; let's suppose the iPad has 512MB given the bigger screen. Wow I hope he wrote this after not sleeping for 2 days.

2) 1GHZ processor is not blazing but might be enough to play a few dj tracks (but nothing too complex like keylock)

What? no keylock? Mate I hope you are joking... on the much lesser iPhone 3G processor (not to mention the 3GS's) there are DJ apps that allow for mixing 2 tracks WITH keylock. Also, as every tech commenter has pointed out, the A4 IS actually blazingly fast, despite the 1GHz label.

3) no standard ports

Apple already offers a dock-to-USB adapter.
djfrancov 11:54 AM - 2 February, 2010
Go Cerla...Stand for your believes !!!!!!
Numark
Chris Roman 3:09 PM - 2 February, 2010
the real good will come when the non-ATT cellular companies offer competitive wireless data for my netbook at $15 a month, which has a camera for SKYPE, and 3 USB ports that allow me to move pictures or music from flash, and a 10 hour battery, and a 10" screen, and a keyboard, 1.6 Ghz processor, 2Gig RAM, and 160 GB HD, and cost only $299. Funny thing is, I use that on vacation to manage my iPod.

I saw somebody mention it's for the people that don't like computers, but the fact is, even to use an iPOD you need a computer.

Maybe next year, when netbooks are running dual-cores, the iPad will offer something more. IMO it's a disaapointment, but it was nice to see companies like Leveno take the touch screen pad idea and run with in in a much more useful way and integrated.

Shame Apple didn't make a $1000 netbook instead with touch screen. To get anything usefull from the iPAD you need to spen $830 for a non-updatable appliance. Makes no sense.
yeahdef 7:04 PM - 2 February, 2010
Quote:
Maybe next year, when netbooks are running dual-cores


www.dell.com

might be getting this and selling my hackintosh dell 10v
Kmxorbit 7:18 PM - 2 February, 2010
Quote:
Shame Apple didn't make a $1000 netbook instead with touch screen. To get anything usefull from the iPAD you need to spen $830 for a non-updatable appliance. Makes no sense.


I have somewhat the same feeling. Nice pointing that out Chris. You say what I feel...
lakipank 7:20 PM - 2 February, 2010
The iPay is not useful and will never be for mixing without a 2 channel audio interface. That simple.
Of course as a toy there might be apps for mixing visually in your car or so. But it's not made for the clubs and DJs.

The iPad is far better than a netbook, but only on it's key features for consumers: surfing the web, fotos, videos...
czar 8:33 PM - 2 February, 2010
Quote:


The iPad is far better than a netbook, but only on it's key features for consumers: surfing the web, fotos, videos...


debatable....
djcerla 8:36 PM - 2 February, 2010
A 4 channel audio interface is $30 nowadays. And just imagine a touch sampler... or Lemur software... this will soon turn into a full-fledged DJ multi-weapon.
Serato, Forum Moderator
Matt-C 10:00 PM - 2 February, 2010
It's interesting the only people complaining about the iPad are people in our type of industry (ie. intensive users). Where as the vast majority of people want basics (movies, web, pics, basic programs for professional use, business tools, and basic gaming).

The reason why PC tablets haven't taken off is because they suck with too many cut back bells and whistles and a poor integrated user experience.

Apple saw this and didn't walk into that trap. What everyone here wants is basically a Macbook but as a touchscreen tablet. Now imagine taking the Macbook price (more likely call it an Air) and then making that into a smaller enclosure with a touch screen.

Can you imagine the cost?!

So we get this model in between a touch and a macbook.
If you want more power get a macbook with a lemur until ARM processors are powerful enough for Apple to accept multitasking and able to be used with pro software.

Otherwise, this will change the way a lot of computing is done, it just won't change the music industry any more than the Touch has.
djcerla 10:59 PM - 2 February, 2010
Quote:
If you want more power get a macbook with a lemur until ARM processors are powerful enough for Apple to accept multitasking and able to be used with pro software


Multitasking? I personally have just ITCH opened in my DJ sets...

As far as power is concerned, check what can be squeezed out of an iPhone 3G (not even the more robust 3GS) Watchwww.youtube.com

mix, keylock, sampler, auto-normalize, EQ, filters, FX... needless to say that the A4 processor on the iPad will allow for much, much more.

Bottom line: Pro DJ software is 100% coming to the iPad, and soon, I just hope I will have the chance to buy the Serato app.
Dj Beware 11:04 PM - 2 February, 2010
Quote:


www.dell.com

might be getting this and selling my hackintosh dell 10v


That's actually a really nice Windows Laptop, if I was not on a mac I would be all over it.
czar 11:05 PM - 2 February, 2010
cerla I had the same for Ipaq... two channel blah blah blah.. my Ipaw has a 560mhz processor. =)
czar 11:06 PM - 2 February, 2010
not exactly the same of course.. that is iphone app. but the same concept and wave display... =)
czar 11:08 PM - 2 February, 2010
that app hads lots of nice features good video cerla =)
djcerla 11:09 PM - 2 February, 2010
exactly... there is no need for CPU-hogs like USB high speed in-outs, so basically a native DJ app can be built on the iPad with FULL bells and whistles.
Serato, Forum Moderator
Matt-C 11:18 PM - 2 February, 2010
It's up to you if you want to DJ with iPhone/Touch DJ software or not in a performance environment.

I assume you don't want to use this as you are running ITCH however :-D

Things may change, but almost every pro audio commenter has announced there won't be much the iPad can offer the audio market that the iTouch/Phone already does for at least a year or more. Though hopefully things will change with new technology over he next year or two as these devices come up to speed (literally).

We're all wanting touch screen controllers! Which is why we're more than a little disappointed in some aspects of the iPad for music use.
djcerla 11:31 PM - 2 February, 2010
Quote:
It's up to you if you want to DJ with iPhone/Touch DJ software or not in a performance environment


Never said that. The iPhone screen is obviously too small for club use.

However, that iPhone 3G app shows beyond any doubt that a DJ app is possible even on the (much more powerful) iPad.
Serato, Forum Moderator
Matt-C 11:43 PM - 2 February, 2010
Heh - yeah, just razzing you...

But these kind of applications are like cut back programs on the PC or similar, they are cool, but they aren't going to replace professional grade software that have fairly high CPU and data streaming needs.
MusicDan 12:28 AM - 3 February, 2010
I think Matt-C doesn't want to be out of a job if the ipad delivers what some DJ's expect...LOL!!!

I'm just razzing you Matt...
czar 12:33 AM - 3 February, 2010
cerla just wants to sell apple products =D
kraal 12:36 AM - 3 February, 2010
i am waiting on this rumor www.techcrunch.com
Serato, Forum Moderator
Matt-C 1:16 AM - 3 February, 2010
Haha - I would love the iPad to be able to offer professional software solutions!
:D

Apple make phenomenal products - the more they make the more R&D they can do to offer more products!

I highly doubt Apple will be working on a second tablet like device.
I do think however the iMac will be touchscreen sometime this year (22inch probably) and there may be a touchscreen laptop option too.
This will give Apple a wide array of solutions (including a quad core laptop) over the next several months. cerla will be a very happy (and wealthier) man indeed!
:D
czar 1:29 AM - 3 February, 2010
unless.... ouch! lol
czar 1:33 AM - 3 February, 2010
can we keep it at "might" maybe" and not "will" no one knows the future and saying that something will.. specially referring to a particular product, specially that has nothing to do with Serato (right?) could be taken offensively...
maestromind 1:33 AM - 3 February, 2010
Quote:
there may be a touchscreen laptop option too.
This will give Apple a wide array of solutions (including a quad core laptop) over the next several months. cerla will be a very happy (and wealthier) man indeed!
:D


I think that a touch screen MBP would really be the way to go. I've used an IBM ThinkPad with a resistive screen that you can swivel around and fold on top of the keyboard so it becomes a tablet and it's really not a bad design, if a bit thick. If Apple improved on that with a 13" touch MBP (with a detachable keyboard, like the old Compaq T1000s) then we'd have a full-featured pro tablet Mac, and that is something I would love.
I also really hope they bring back handwriting recognition. Their recognition on the Newton is still one the best around. Actually if the iPad had that I would buy one in a heartbeat to take to meetings.
kraal 1:34 AM - 3 February, 2010
as an illustrator i am waiting for mac to mix the wacom drawing tablic with the imac :)
czar 1:42 AM - 3 February, 2010
ezinearticles.com

are u sure u want more and more macs? Seriously. I hope that someone will be genius to destroy threats for once and for all. =)
czar 1:49 AM - 3 February, 2010
Quote:
destroy


block or avoid... whatever...
maestromind 1:55 AM - 3 February, 2010
Quote:
as an illustrator i am waiting for mac to mix the wacom drawing tablic with the imac :)


That would be awesome, I would definitely hope Apple does that as they'll do it right, instead of PC manufacturers who license Wacom technology, but more Bamboo-level instead of Intuos judging from the responsiveness of the tablets.
kraal 8:16 PM - 3 February, 2010
here is an intersting read
www.djtechtools.com
WarpNote 8:59 PM - 4 February, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
as an illustrator i am waiting for mac to mix the wacom drawing tablic with the imac :)

That would be awesome, I would definitely hope Apple does that as they'll do it right, instead of PC manufacturers who license Wacom technology, but more Bamboo-level instead of Intuos judging from the responsiveness of the tablets.

About 5 years ago,
I think when Wacom first brought out the the Cintiq (www.wacom.eu), my employer (National Broadcaster) let me try it out for 2 weeks to see If I wanted to change. (I'm a motion graphics designer/animator)

Sadly I was really disappointed, the ergonmy was no good, too flat for viewing, too angled for drawing, and it's even adjustable. Also my hand was always in the view, obstructing way of the menus/artwork. So I went back to the standard wacom, and it was a relief,

This video explains problems touch screens face: 10gui.com (posted somewhere before, I know...)

So, as everyone is saying, the iPad has potential as a secondary flashy touch controller.
I'm about to learn ableton, so I will have to consider what controller to get...
maestromind 9:41 PM - 4 February, 2010
@WarpNote,

That 10gui video is amazing. The first time I've seen a realistic approach to desktop multi-touch interaction. Thanks a lot for sharing that!
Snav 5:57 AM - 5 February, 2010
Its got a touchscreen
Snav 5:58 AM - 5 February, 2010
i want one
djcerla 8:21 AM - 5 February, 2010
Chances (and rumors) are that a new product named MacPad Pro, sporting bigger screens and a touch version of OSX, will be introduced by Apple in 2011.

A very logical move: iPad as a content consumption device, MacPad Pro as a content creation device, fitting nicely the Apple scheme. The 2001 Bill Gates prediction "in 5 years all portable computers will be tablets", once failed miserably given the clunky nature of Windows tablets, may reveal eventually true, with Apple setting the trend as usual.

Some (very insightful) reads about the iPad and some controversial decisions Apple has taken designing it:

MYTH 1: iPad needs Adobe Flash: www.roughlydrafted.com
MYTH 2: iPad is just a giant iPod Touch: www.roughlydrafted.com
MYTH 3: iPad was over-hyped by Apple and under-delivered: www.roughlydrafted.com

@ czar

I have no positions in AAPL at the moment.
czar 8:26 AM - 5 February, 2010
lol u seem to have a marketing idea for anything "consumption/creation " haha with the "macpad pro" u would not need the ipad
czar 8:34 AM - 5 February, 2010
"Apple throws out gold and everyone insists they must yawn before stooping to pick it up. The iPad isn’t just a big iPod touch; it’s a significant rethinking of a product category that melds the simple mobile interface created for the iPhone with a new layer of familiar conventions with the full sized sophistication of the Mac OS X desktop, pared to a multitouch user interface." www.roughlydrafted.com

WHAT???????????????

first of, MAC OS? am i missing something???

and what ??????????????'

"it’s a significant rethinking of a product" ????????????????????

seriously some people are just either not thinking or something...

putting a 9 by 7 touch screen and giving it properties to play music is rethinking of what?????????????? give me an i3 or i5 on a thing like that with 4 gigs of ram and 1 gb of video and then we talk. peace out

apple sells because they market shiny and smooth.... stop trying to make excuses
djcerla 8:44 AM - 5 February, 2010
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lol u seem to have a marketing idea for anything "consumption/creation " haha with the "macpad pro" u would not need the ipad


There's not much to laugh here. If you have no imagination stick happily to your Windows PC punishment and let people interested in this discussion alone.

You already came up with a totally off-topic link

Quote:
ezinearticles.com

are u sure u want more and more macs? Seriously. I hope that someone will be genius to destroy threats for once and for all. =)


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apple sells because they market shiny and smooth....


keep believing this if it makes you feel comfortable.
czar 9:03 AM - 5 February, 2010
typical switch subject and run... its 2010.... ;)
Snav 9:07 AM - 5 February, 2010
In my opinion, I'm not going to find a phone with an operating system as stable as the Iphone's. (Unless its just a simple mobile phone only made for calls)
Same goes for computers, nothing has even come close to OSX.

No Apple isnt perfect and yes you can do the same thing with a cheaper product but if you want reliability, and you can afford the extra $$ try apple. The look and feel is just a bonus.
czar 9:28 AM - 5 February, 2010
such imagination... hahahahahhahahahahah

be real, scratch that ipad thing dont make more of it and just go for the good one in 11 months or so... something that will actually make sense and not become undesireable in 11 months.

besides it was you that gave a bias linked. I am merely bringing up my own questions about what I think is just bias commenting on the ipad and u prefer to talk about my link. =)

i have good points u just avoid meaningful conversation.

@snav are u cerla? =D JK!!

do u know the Ipaq? great device.. dont get me wrong I like all the iphone shiny apps, ipaq i will say is "different" <-- no pun intended with one of the first Apple commercial =)

the other windows mobile phones like HTC's have software bundled into windows mobile and those bundles are teh ones that take the devices power away... strip one off those and u will be as good as a happy person, without the shiny stuff but very useful device. (oh wait u can actually install iphone icons in windows mobile!) the link i can give it too. =) works like a charm too, I have it. im telling u I love the icons and shiny look!


but this is about the ipad right cerla?

seems like apple needs or just plainly wants money and decided to see who would buy it and bring some revenue... maybe cerla is calling asking for money everyday?

why make something that does all the iphone does just with a bulkier build harder to carry around????????????????????????? wait i got the answer too! or maybe not? "someone who cant decide if happiness is a new bulky product from apple or a small iphone in the back pocket? "

Dont get me wrong again!! I am an enthusiast I just tell it how I see it. and I would feel like a dumbass walking down the street with people looking at me thinking "he cant even make phone calls." but then again I have friends with priorities and who think being cool is being useful and that life goes beyond having the latest hyped up stuff rather having the latests most (useful) stuff.. ;)
czar 9:31 AM - 5 February, 2010
and dont ever call me again on my imagination because I promise you i will bring back my link to my idea to add modules to the NS7 to control video as well as a new idea to also have modules to add xtra hardware control to the coming 4 decks on Itch. also for the NS7 Take note. =)

02/05/10
CZAR-
djcerla 9:33 AM - 5 February, 2010
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why make something that does all the iphone does just with a bulkier build harder to carry around?????????????????????????


One year, many millions iPads sold, will enlighten you about this, but at that time you will be too busy bashing the next Apple big thing to remember these old iPad chatters.
czar 11:09 AM - 5 February, 2010
thank life this thread is about the ipad...

it doesn't matter how many u sell, the product is what it is. you see money (from perhaps uninformed costumers), I see it for what it is. really bias advertising... "revolutionary"???? hmm because it is larger than the iphone?

in roughly a year when the real Apple revolution comes around other similar products would have hit shelf already?

Apple just wanted to say "look we made it first!" .. yea u made what first??? took the iphone made it larger? LOL

if everyone who owns shares like you buys a bunch each u could reach a pretty large number of units sold to falsy advertise i mean brag about. =) bias advertising selling doesn't really count. the regular consumer might not notice it but the thinking heads doh! i mean do.

I guess if millions are sold u will have a stack at home? or will u wait for the real deal?
djcerla 11:16 AM - 5 February, 2010
djcerla 11:24 AM - 5 February, 2010
@ czar

I'm wondering why you are wasting so much precious time of your life, hours that nobody will give you back, discussing about products that you DON'T like.
casket hands 3:33 PM - 5 February, 2010
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In my opinion, I'm not going to find a phone with an operating system as stable as the Iphone's. (Unless its just a simple mobile phone only made for calls)
Same goes for computers, nothing has even come close to OSX.

No Apple isnt perfect and yes you can do the same thing with a cheaper product but if you want reliability, and you can afford the extra $$ try apple. The look and feel is just a bonus.

You can call the iPhone lots of things but stable ain't one of em. I would say mine drops a call, doesn't ring, doesn't receive texts and hangs and crashes probably a dozen times a day. Don't get me wrong, I like it, but my next phone will be an android.
jonDough 9:31 PM - 5 February, 2010
Lets also not forget that apple is raising the prices of ebooks so they can get into the market. I wouldn't say that that is good for consumers.
djcerla 9:51 PM - 5 February, 2010
Apple is not "raising the price of ebooks" at all; low prices are good for Apple.

But publishers are using the iPad as a way to get more money from Amazon, as as $9.99 they lose money compared to printed editions.
kraal 9:51 PM - 5 February, 2010
Quote:

You can call the iPhone lots of things but stable ain't one of em. I would say mine drops a call, doesn't ring, doesn't receive texts and hangs and crashes probably a dozen times a day. Don't get me wrong, I like it, but my next phone will be an android.

has more to do with your carrier than the actual phone... my iphone works flawlessly
jonDough 9:57 PM - 5 February, 2010
Uh, what costs are there in making ebooks that would have them cost the same as a printed edition? There is no binding or shipping of anything physical so the price should be less.
djcerla 10:25 PM - 5 February, 2010
About $15 is the publisher's average net on printed editions.
casket hands 10:52 PM - 5 February, 2010
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has more to do with your carrier than the actual phone... my iphone works flawlessly

naw, its definitely the phone. I'm not mad, just saying, its not perfect.
djcerla 11:18 PM - 5 February, 2010
if it crashes a dozen times a day you should contact Apple for a replacement.

My iPhone 3G crashed a couple of times in 1 and a half years, with the old OS.
casket hands 11:34 PM - 5 February, 2010
Its not uncommon. most of my friends concur.
djcerla 11:39 PM - 5 February, 2010
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Its not uncommon. most of my friends concur.


Given it's the cell phone with highest satisfaction score in the industry, it's not so common either.
djcerla 11:40 PM - 5 February, 2010
kraal 11:42 PM - 5 February, 2010
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Its not uncommon. most of my friends concur.

that still makes it seem more like an area carrier issue
maestromind 1:40 AM - 6 February, 2010
I have a love/hate relationship with my iPhone, honestly. I hate the camera (the 3GS' auto focus definitely makes it a little better, but a lack of flash is inexcusable IMO) and I hate the fact that iTunes is probably one the least stable Apple apps - I've had plenty of issues syncing all the different devices I've had over the years.
On the other hand, I love the apps. There really is an app for just about anything, and the phone's capabilities are really stellar when pushed to the limits.
maestromind 1:41 AM - 6 February, 2010
I should also add that as an actual phone the iPhone definitely drops calls more than average and the call quality ranges from OK to subpar.
casket hands 3:26 AM - 6 February, 2010
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I should also add that as an actual phone the iPhone definitely drops calls more than average and the call quality ranges from OK to subpar.

It's probably a carrier issue
czar 4:32 AM - 6 February, 2010
u mean the ONLY carrier?
kraal 5:01 AM - 6 February, 2010
yes but still that is an at&t issue not the phone
djcerla 8:29 AM - 6 February, 2010
On the Italian Vodafone 3G network, no dropped calls, and perfect sound quality.
The problem with ATT is that they have the most taxed network in the world, given the huge number of iPhones they have to serve data to; in metropolitan areas the current bandwidth is simply not enough.

The next iPhone will likely be sold by other carriers including Verizon.
djcerla 3:04 PM - 6 February, 2010
Walt Mossberg on the iPad:

Quote:
"First of all, I think people who are focused on the hardware — they say, you know, it just looks like a big iPhone — are missing the key thing here. The key thing here is going to be the software and the services that it will deliver... The other thing I will say is, from the short time I've used it, it feels great in the hand, it's wicked fast — I mean it's really fast — and it has software flourishes that are more like a Mac... than they are like an iPhone. The photo app on there looks more like the one you would get on your... Mac computer than it does what you would get on an... iPhone. And they have a full-blown productivity suite [iWork for iPad] on there; word processor [Pages for iPad], spreadsheet [Numbers for iPad], slide presentation program [Keynote for iPad], so it's a different animal than an iPhone."

"The price point shocked me... When [Jobs] said $499, I was amazed... It's going to make it harder for competitors... under $499 is going to be hard [for competitors] to make a profit."
spazz 5:29 PM - 6 February, 2010
Still I wish it could multi-task.
casket hands 5:32 PM - 6 February, 2010
Quote:
yes but still that is an at&t issue not the phone

I'm on Rogers
zaguama 5:51 PM - 6 February, 2010


That shit scares me haha the future will be something really dark for our kids, i dont have any but by the time i have which might be probably 5 years from now or more ipad will be old new who knows what might be the next gadget. Kids in the future wont know anything unless they have an ipad or whatever device exists with them for math, history, you name it. Ask them a question, oh sure gimme a sec let me google it on my ipad lolol, taking a test at school cheating haha, the way everything is going for education is encouraging us to use technology as our brain replacement, will miss our old days of cracking your head to memorize that shitty history examen.
zaguama 5:53 PM - 6 February, 2010
i got little nephews that barely go out for playing xbox live all freaking day haha, kids dont even socialize in person nowadays just over a headset. "yeahhhhhhh i got tons of friends, i've never met them though they are on facebook" lol.
spazz 5:54 PM - 6 February, 2010
That type of sh^t is going on today with kids.
djcerla 5:55 PM - 6 February, 2010
Quote:
That shit scares me haha the future will be something really dark for our kids,


They used to say this when TV went out.

For me, this means less trees cut for making text books, less pollution, less stress on the back for children (books are heavy), and I could continue... :)
spazz 7:01 PM - 6 February, 2010
We could do counter points on this topic til' the cows come home.
kraal 7:09 PM - 6 February, 2010
and kids not going out and being anti social is not the fault of the xbox.... but i am going off on a tangent now
czar 7:28 PM - 6 February, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
That shit scares me haha the future will be something really dark for our kids,


They used to say this when TV went out.

For me, this means less trees cut for making text books, less pollution, less stress on the back for children (books are heavy), and I could continue... :)


I used to carry my books I am fit, muscular, smart and outgoing. tree cutting is not bad as long as there is tree planting, , making new technological gadgets every quater doesn't pollute???????????????? i could keep going on.
djcerla 3:54 PM - 12 February, 2010
iPad bashers slowly waking up from future-shock and start to "get" the iPad, they now "want one".

article from winsupersite (yes, not Macrumors! :) --> www.winsupersite.com
kraal 5:48 PM - 12 February, 2010
that's funny a couple of big time dj's that were on twitter dissin the ipad have both said now that i think about it i can use an ipad.
djfrancov 3:08 AM - 13 February, 2010
kraal..you are really fallowing people on twitter? you have too much time on your hands brother.... its sad...
kraal 7:47 AM - 13 February, 2010
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kraal..you are really fallowing people on twitter? you have too much time on your hands brother.... its sad...

seeing that my job is djing i and art i have just the same amount of time as anyone else. I follow people i respect and people i have done gigs with. Its all about respect and growing in your craft.
djcerla 4:21 PM - 6 March, 2010
My girlfriend is happy with her Lenovo ThinkPad™, no need to hurry with the iPad.
marcA 4:22 PM - 6 March, 2010
lenovo thinkpad ?.....
as in windows? ....

OMG
:)
djcerla 4:25 PM - 6 March, 2010
Just kidding, she is actually on my 2004 iBook.

PS: in other languages than English, iPad sounds just fine, iSlate was horrible
kraal 3:28 PM - 14 March, 2010
so did anyone see $75mil in 24 hours?
but what i want to say is my brother a computer programer (iphone and no ipad also) is developing midi controllers for the ipad as we speak
djcerla 3:38 PM - 14 March, 2010
Yes... 120.000 preorders in 24hrs just in the US is not a bad start :)
djcerla 5:48 PM - 14 March, 2010
"Apple has been able to generate over $75 million in revenue in one day on a product that 99.9% of purchasers haven't touched or for that matter, even seen in person," said Victor Castroll, an analyst with Valcent Financial Group. "And, we're still three weeks away. That is amazing."
ontime1269 5:56 PM - 14 March, 2010
Read between the lines to what he is really saying....
djcerla 6:01 PM - 14 March, 2010
Not so many lines to read between here. They're going to outsell Windows tablets total annual production in 15 days or less.
I1Kirm 6:22 PM - 14 March, 2010
WIndows tablets are not iPads. No logic in comparing them. It will make much more sense to compare iPad vs iPhone sells.
djcerla 6:51 PM - 14 March, 2010
Windows tablets are computer tablets, iPad is a computer tablet.

Much logic in comparing them, whereas there's no logic in comparing a 10" computer tablet to a cell phone.
I1Kirm 7:32 PM - 14 March, 2010
iPhone is a computer tablet as well then since iPad is actually a big iPhone
I1Kirm 7:33 PM - 14 March, 2010
without a camera and a with a bigger screen
djcerla 7:47 PM - 14 March, 2010
Just like a truck is a big car.
I1Kirm 8:34 PM - 14 March, 2010
A truck is closer to a car than an boat (or plane). The point is that feature-wise iPad is closer to iPhone than Windows tablets because of the OS. If and when the iPad gets jailbreaked and people manage to run full OSX on it then it will be comparable to Windows tablets.
I1Kirm 10:26 PM - 14 March, 2010
Meaning? Lol, this forum get more and more cryptic!
djcerla 11:56 PM - 14 March, 2010
wait wait breakermixer... we'll eat a delicious, cold cup of "I told you so" (their sentences about "lacking features" and "just a big iPod touch" are all iCal'd for future conspicuous quoting&teasing), but let's wait for the official sales data and the proper iPad-mania to explode, let's say 6 months from now.

Revolutions are hard to digest for some.
I1Kirm 12:03 AM - 15 March, 2010
You actually iCal this kind of stuff?
djcerla 12:10 AM - 15 March, 2010
of course not... :)

it's a quote from MacDailyNews: they actually iCal this kind of product bashing, then after some bazillions units sold and competition crushed, they make very, very entertaining compilations of ugly wrong "predictions".

Luckily, all iPad ugly-wrong predictions in the ITCH forum are in this very thread, so the "compilation" is doable without actually iCal anything :)
I1Kirm 12:16 AM - 15 March, 2010
Cool, so if the thread is deleted somehow you won't have a clue about Nostradamus DJ's (satanic laughter)
czar 2:46 AM - 15 March, 2010
I would keep an eye on Google..

besides innovation is on right or left eye mounted monitor with floating virtual keyboard..

*of course that before brain impulse operations which are around the corner..


www.livescience.com

www.compkeyboard.com

www.techchee.com

Im sorry but someone else not Apple will always invent...
czar 2:49 AM - 15 March, 2010
When Steve Jobs publicly said: " This is the best thing Apple has." he was actually saying: "YOU ARE ALL DUMB MONKEYS BLINDED BY CONSUMERISM AND CAN"T TELL WHAT IS GARBAGE!"
czar 2:56 AM - 15 March, 2010
Now u want something useful!?

www.google.com

Something more expensive...

www.google.com
MusicDan 3:31 AM - 15 March, 2010
Quote:


Something more expensive...

www.google.com


So spending $2400 or $1100 for a Used model is better than the iPad.

Ok, you win! ;-)
czar 3:33 AM - 15 March, 2010
if what u want is to spend "I got an app for that" ;)

the EEE is perfect tho.. they ship with Linux too, ;) 300 bucks and u got a full computer,,, size is great processor power is great memory is great hard drive size.. yea u guessed it its great..
Gonzo89 5:56 AM - 16 March, 2010
Quote:
When Steve Jobs publicly said: " This is the best thing Apple has." he was actually saying: "YOU ARE ALL DUMB MONKEYS BLINDED BY CONSUMERISM AND CAN"T TELL WHAT IS GARBAGE!"


so true
maestromind 6:47 PM - 16 March, 2010
That's all true, but if you've ever bought virtually any designer product then you're a hypocrite for agreeing with that statement though.
czar 11:48 PM - 16 March, 2010
Quote:
That's all true, but if you've ever bought virtually any designer product then you're a hypocrite for agreeing with that statement though.



not necessarily. sorry but sorry. Some designer things mean quality while other designer things are crap.
maestromind 12:05 AM - 17 March, 2010
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Some designer things mean quality while other designer things are crap.

Yes, that's true ...but I really don't see how you can objectively say that Apple makes crap products. You can say they're overpriced, but they also win support and reliability awards for a reason.
czar 12:21 AM - 17 March, 2010
yea the same reason why so many big companies like AIG were able to operate and bankrupt the biggest economy in the world.. (lack of common sense) I wont fight that APPLE might have good customer support but can u imagine an Apple without good support still afloat?. WHO is giving the awards? Bernard Madoff? come on! The crook patches the crooker in the back and they build a mountain out of lies. give me a break!
czar 12:50 AM - 17 March, 2010
Apple hardware is from third party companies and I bet they also go for the cheap supplier like a lot of other companies do. Of course, cover this regular hardware on a shiny shell and install an OS that is simple to use (without many options and closed as possible to avoid danger) and not as big a target from internet threats (yet) and u will have sells. Of course the price factor makes some people say "it must be good, look at the price!" LOL! just like other things. ex. "if he says it, it must be true", etc..

I am the kind of person that likes to explore the wild and give me option! I can even change the windows Shell if I want to and make my desktop be a 3d first person environment if I want to! I bet u can do this on Mac too but who wants to develop? and why? most of the hype about Mac is thanks to the system being child proof.. or so many would like u to believe. I know plenty of Mac dirty little secrets...
djcerla 3:01 PM - 19 March, 2010
Quote:
You actually iCal this kind of stuff?


example of iCal at work: macdailynews.com
James Roberts 5:10 PM - 23 March, 2010
Check this out
www.midipad.de
djcerla 5:30 PM - 23 March, 2010
This "big iPod touch" will change the world (including the world of us musicians and DJs).
kraal 6:44 PM - 23 March, 2010
i dont think it will change the world...... laptops have yet to change the world
djcerla 7:07 PM - 23 March, 2010
it was obviosly the "digital" world, as not even Apple can reshape the Hymalaya.
kraal 7:09 PM - 23 March, 2010
still keep my above statment it is a cool gadget but not (digital) world changing... going to be popular yes but not (digital) world changing....
djcerla 7:15 PM - 23 March, 2010
I totally disagree. It will be MASSIVELY digital-world AND media changing IMHO, and the stock price current run reflects this.
kraal 7:25 PM - 23 March, 2010
eeing that my carreers are all based in digital let me explain why i stand where i do. Being a digital illustrator and working with some of the industry big guy(sony,blizzard, ect) there is a wacom tablet the 'cintiq' that allows you to draw directly on a screen but most digital artist choose not to use that model even still some are using the out dated scanner or even using a digital camera to ransfer sketches to digital.

i think stocks are relecting consumers need to have the latest and newest shinny toy.

i do however see it as going to be 'important' especially if or rather when adopted by schools and universities to replace textbooks and note pads ect.

so maybe that IS what you are refering to as world changing. Maybe i just see the digital world a little bigger than you do. I mean the 'electronic chalk boards' in schools already are innovative but not world changing
djcerla 7:44 PM - 23 March, 2010
what I really mean is that this seemingly innocuous "toy" is going to dramatically change the way normal people access a vast number of medias: from books to magazines, while being an excellent game machine and a capable productivity tool.

it's going to replace the book, the newspaper, the e-reader, the game console, the laptop... and the Lemur ;-) pretty much a game changer (or better, a multi-game changer)

you can mark this post and come back here in a couple of years: it's going to happen! :)
kraal 7:57 PM - 23 March, 2010
ok i guess i am just reading you saying all this at launch.... so it is like how now we dont have to leave the house to rent a movie.
Cid K 8:59 PM - 23 March, 2010
Yup exactly, speaking of Lemur, that baby cost about 3000$ its a BADASS toy but way too much expensive, am pretty sure there will be alot of Lemur lIKE app's for the iPad.

I know ill be getting one whn that happends hehehehe :-D
kraal 9:36 PM - 23 March, 2010
just to put this out there... i may sound anti-ipad but on the next generation i can see my house hold owning atleast 3 :)
czar 11:23 PM - 23 March, 2010
a game console has powerful processor and video card.

a kindle is lighters, smaller and reads books!

The ibook store will be cool indeed but there will be more options like amazon and google. not to mention MS's version when they decide they will open up to the market as well...

dream on! dream on! dream until your dream comes true!!!!!!!

Aerosmith - Dream On

*of course there will be a sense of "my ipad is more expensive than your kindle therefore I'm cooler than you" lol but I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will say "sure buddy, keep hauling your mammoth around while I carry my cute kindle and for music and video oh yea I got that little tinny thing called cell phone.

we will see how long people will haul the Ipad around for. 6months? 4? 3? maybe 2 and put it up for sell on craigslist and ebay?

People in the US only use %1 of consumer goods after the 6 month period.

game changer? I think not. but hey Aerosmith youself to sleep, but when you wake up TRULY LOOK around you!

Watchwww.youtube.com

what does innovation and game changing really mean.
djcerla 11:34 PM - 23 March, 2010
I love how this board doesn't allow for editing and deleting posts. Going to be fun, sooner than one may think.
djcerla 8:55 AM - 24 March, 2010
I think you misunderstood... :) I meant that it will be fun to read those goofy comments in a couple of years from now, and thankfully the authors can't edit them.
djcerla 2:00 PM - 24 March, 2010
'I think there is a world market for maybe five computers'

Thomas Watson, Chairman of IBM, 1943
djcerla 2:03 PM - 24 March, 2010
"I give them two years before they're turning out the lights on a very painful and expensive mistake"

David Goldstein, Channel Marketing Corp. President, on Apple's launch of Apple Stores, May 21, 2001
djcerla 2:07 PM - 24 March, 2010
“[Apple's iPhone] is the most expensive phone in the world and it doesn’t appeal to business customers because it doesn’t have a keyboard which makes it not a very good email machine… So, I, I kinda look at that and I say, well, I like our strategy. I like it a lot.”

Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO, January 17, 2007
djcerla 2:07 PM - 24 March, 2010
“Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone… What Apple risks here is its reputation as a hot company that can do no wrong. If it’s smart it will call the iPhone a ‘reference design’ and pass it to some suckers to build with someone else’s marketing budget. Then it can wash its hands of any marketplace failures… Otherwise I’d advise people to cover their eyes. You are not going to like what you’ll see.”

John C. Dvorak, Bloated Gas Bag, March 28, 2007
djcerla 2:08 PM - 24 March, 2010
“I’m more convinced than ever that, after an initial frenzy of publicity and sales to early adopters, iPhone sales will be unspectacular… iPhone may well become Apple’s next Newton.”

David Haskin, Computerworld, February 26, 2007
djcerla 2:09 PM - 24 March, 2010
"We are not at all worried. We think we've got the one mobile platform you'll use for the rest of your life. [Apple] are not going to catch up."

Scott Rockfeld, Microsoft Mobile Communications Group Product Manager, April 01, 2008
djcerla 2:10 PM - 24 March, 2010
(this one is outstanding)

"I can’t believe the hype being given to iPhone... I just have to wonder who will want one of these things (other than the religious faithful)... So please mark this post and come back in two years to see the results of my prediction: I predict they will not sell anywhere near the 10M Jobs predicts for 2008."

Richard Sprague, Microsoft Senior Marketing Director, January 18, 2007
Cid K 2:12 PM - 24 March, 2010
Lollolol....

and the funny part is all those people were TOTALY Wrong mouhahahahahaha :-P

Apple isn't stupid, there's a big big big Marketing and R&D team behind it, when they do a move more then 70% of the time they are right on SPOT! and it works!

Am not saying it's flawless, from my own experienced i had some Apple products that wasn't top notch at first (For those who know's. iMac 27in Quad and when they released the very first Unibody Macbook Pro model) but either way, their shares keeps on climbing and every now and then they put up some new and kool gadgets that you just cant do without having one hehehehe
djcerla 2:12 PM - 24 March, 2010
... last but not least:

"We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone. PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in."

Ed Colligan, Palm CEO, November 16, 2006

PS (Palm is now struggling to survive)
djcerla 2:17 PM - 24 March, 2010
Amazingly, almost word-by-word the exact same things said by the so-called "tech-experts" about the iPad.

Just watch ;)
Cid K 2:22 PM - 24 March, 2010
:-D
czar 3:06 PM - 24 March, 2010
Quote:
it doesn’t appeal to business customers because it doesn’t have a keyboard which makes it not a very good email machine… So, I, I kinda look at that and I say, well, I like our strategy. I like it a lot.”



still doesn't appeal to those people. You people dont want to see the truth you forget the blackberry... but whatever.. as I said keep dreaming.
kraal 3:16 PM - 24 March, 2010
doesnt it have a keyboard dock coming out soon
spazz 3:19 PM - 24 March, 2010
Quote:
... last but not least:

"We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone. PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in."

Ed Colligan, Palm CEO, November 16, 2006

PS (Palm is now struggling to survive)


Their stock is literally worthless.
marcA 3:25 PM - 24 March, 2010
LOL!
djcerla 2:57 PM - 28 March, 2010
iPad launch: SOLD OUT

sanjose.bizjournals.com
djcerla 3:04 PM - 28 March, 2010
going to get ugly for iPad bashers
Cid K 3:43 PM - 28 March, 2010
Yup mouhahahahahaha :-P
djcerla 4:11 PM - 28 March, 2010
MTV launching iPad app, turning interactive TV into reality: finance.yahoo.com
kraal 4:38 PM - 28 March, 2010
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going to get ugly for iPad bashers

gonna get ungly for us who have yet to order our ipad :)
djcerla 4:58 PM - 28 March, 2010
in Europe, it's not possible yet.
kraal 8:47 PM - 28 March, 2010
hmmmmm....
hexler.net
djcerla 9:08 AM - 29 March, 2010
As I predicted, the first DJ apps will be on the store on launch day. This one looks promising:

ipadmixr.com
marcA 10:38 AM - 29 March, 2010
indeed like predicted...
but i'de like to see how you hook this up to a mixer...and what the quality of the sound is
but i think you'll be testing this out real soon :)
djcerla 10:48 AM - 29 March, 2010
Cool indeed but... a 2 iPad+traditional mixer setup would definitely be a better choice IMHO.

the iPads could be linked via Bluetooth (for syncronization purposes), and you won't need a breakout box for 4 outputs (mix out + HP out)

also, a one-deck GUI would be something gorgeous and very practical to use (just a BIG spinning record, a BIG pitch slider, PLAY, CUEs, SYNC and Library buttons).

Last but not least, a twin iPad setup would grant the redundancy needed for maximum reliability of the setup.

Can you imagine a 2 iPads flight-case with central mixer? People at the club would be amazed.

This. Will. Rock.
djcerla 10:54 AM - 29 March, 2010
Apple ups iPad shipments: 8 to 10 MILLIONS iPads are seen for calendar 2010 according to Asian suppliers.

A huge, huge hit is shaping up.

brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com
marcA 11:02 AM - 29 March, 2010
i agree, a dedicated ipad for 1 deck would allow for all controls to be accessible...
the one thing to resolve is a central storage for the tracks otherwise you need to duplicate on both systems
also wifi would allow one system to act as master for beatgridding :)
djcerla 11:06 AM - 29 March, 2010
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the one thing to resolve is a central storage for the tracks otherwise you need to duplicate on both systems


no, this would reduce the redundancy/reliability of the system

don't forget that you syncronize the iPad with your Mac/pc JUST LIKE AN IPOD; so it's very easy and quick to syncronize both to the same library!

Yes, wifi or bluetooth master clock.
marcA 11:20 AM - 29 March, 2010
didn't know about the sync... i only have an ipod :)
this kind of setup will surface, it's enevertable...
djcerla 11:27 AM - 29 March, 2010
One iPad could be Master; the second iPad may import the file analysis (waveforms, beatgrids, etc.) from the Master, then use the same iTunes library synced with the PC/Mac.
Ragman 4:12 PM - 29 March, 2010
Wow, you can def see where all of this is headed.
Kmxorbit 4:14 PM - 29 March, 2010
every invention start with a dream, isn't it?
djcerla 7:57 AM - 31 March, 2010
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it doesn’t appeal to business customers because it doesn’t have a keyboard which makes it not a very good email machine… So, I, I kinda look at that and I say, well, I like our strategy. I like it a lot.”


still doesn't appeal to those people.


seekingalpha.com
djcerla 8:05 AM - 1 April, 2010
First "tech-expert" totally crushed by the iPad early reviews by Mossberg and Pogue:

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I’ve been covering and reviewing notebooks and battery technology for the past decade, and I know what the current technology is capable of. There is no way that a 1.5-pound computer is going to be able to drive an IPS display for ten hours as Steve Jobs claims. It just can’t happen. Perhaps if you let the iPad lapse into standby mode, you could squeeze it. But if you are actually using the device, my estimate would be less than three hours of power, and that’s being generous. The display would look amazing, but be quite a power hog... Unless Apple has also developed some new type of power source, such as nuclear cells or magical hamsters on tiny spinning wheels for the iPad, don’t expect the claims about battery life to hold true. - John Breeden II, Government Computer News, February 01, 2010


from the David Pogue review:

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"Apple asserts that the iPad runs 10 hours on a charge of its nonremovable battery — but we all know you can’t trust the manufacturer," David Pogue reports for The New York Times. "And sure enough, in my own test, the iPad played movies continuously from 7:30 a.m. to 7:53 p.m. — more than 12 hours. That’s four times as long as a typical laptop or portable DVD player."


And it's only getting uglier and uglier for early iPad bashers, as the iPad is going to rapidly become the best selling computer, ever.
djcerla 8:08 AM - 1 April, 2010
Some highlight from Mossberg's review on the Wall Street Journal:

• The iPad is much more than an e-book or digital periodical reader, though it does those tasks brilliantly, better in my view than the Amazon Kindle.
• I’ve been using my test iPad heavily day and night, instead of my trusty laptops most of the time. As I got deeper into it, I found the iPad a pleasure to use...
• My verdict is that, while it has compromises and drawbacks, the iPad can indeed replace a laptop for most data communication, content consumption and even limited content creation, a lot of the time.
• I was impressed with the iPad’s battery life, which I found to be even longer than Apple’s ten-hour claim, and far longer than on my laptops or smart phones. For my battery test, I played movies, TV shows and other videos back-to-back until the iPad died. This stressed the device’s most power-hogging feature, its screen. The iPad lasted 11 hours and 28 minutes, about 15% more than Apple claimed... Oh, and all the while during this battery marathon, I kept the Wi-Fi network running and the email downloading constantly in the background. Your mileage may vary, but with Wi-Fi off and the screen turned down from the fairly bright level I used, you might even do better.
• I also was impressed with the overall speed of the iPad. Apple’s custom processor makes it wicked fast. Screens appear almost instantly...
• I found the iPad virtual keyboard more comfortable and accurate to use than the cramped keyboards and touchpads on many netbooks...
• The Web browser also works beautifully, and takes advantage of the big screen to show full pages and cut down on scrolling.
• Watching videos, viewing photos, listening to music, reading books and playing games was satisfying and fun.
• Apple's optional iPad word processor, called Pages, is a serious content creation app that should help the iPad compete with laptops and can import Microsoft Office files.
• The photo app is striking, and much more like the one on the Mac than the one on the iPhone. The device can even be used as a digital picture frame. The iPod app is beautiful, too, as are the calendar and contacts app.
• I was able to try a pre-release version of The Wall Street Journal’s new iPad app (which I had nothing to do with designing), and found it gorgeous and highly functional—by far the best implementation of the newspaper I have ever seen on a screen.
• I also found iBooks, Apple’s book reader and store, easy to use, and read a couple of books on it. I consider the larger color screen superior to the Kindle’s, and encountered no eye strain.

full review: ptech.allthingsd.com
czar 4:09 AM - 2 April, 2010
"The bling-bling era was cute but it's about to be done
I leave ya full of clipse like the moon blocking the sun
my metaphors are dirty like herpes but harder to catch
like an escape tunnel in prison I started from scratch
and now these parasites wanna prosenna my asscap
trying to control perspective like an acid flashback"

"your better off asking Ariel Sharon for compasion
your better off banging for twenty points for a label
your better off battling cancer under telephone cabels
Technique chemically unstable, set to explode
foretold by the dead sea scrolls written in codes
so if your message ain't sh**t, f**k the records you sold
cuz if you go platinum, it's got nothing to do with luck
it just means that a million people are stupid as f**k"

Immortal Technique - Industrial Revolution
czar 4:24 AM - 2 April, 2010
lol "it's so fast and lite!"

DUDE THE THING CAN ONLY DO ONE THING AT A TIME!

OF COURSE ITS FAST!!!!!!

AND LITE !! DUHH WHAT ISN"T LITE! ITS 2010 HELLO!

usa.asus.com

OMG!
djcerla 8:16 AM - 2 April, 2010
For the poor "multitasking" argument, see OS 4.0. The iPad has full preemptive multitasking.
djcerla 10:44 AM - 2 April, 2010
Netbooks sales fall sharply ahead of iPad launch: www.businessweek.com
djcerla 11:44 AM - 2 April, 2010
Netbook collapse: HP and Dell said to be curtailing investment in 10-inch netbooks:

www.engadget.com
djcerla 12:10 PM - 2 April, 2010
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WHAT ISN"T LITE! ITS 2010 HELLO! usa.asus.com


asus: 2.11 pounds
iPad: 1.5 pounds

ahahahahaha
zaguama 4:15 PM - 2 April, 2010
i just hope this ipad gets released once for all and get it over with so apple starts focusing on the new macbooks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! god damn it.
djcerla 4:38 PM - 2 April, 2010
... or MacPad (you've heard it first here)
djcerla 4:39 PM - 2 April, 2010
... and MacPad Pro (MPP).
zaguama 4:53 PM - 2 April, 2010
Dr Cerla, since you are our mac expert what kinda behavior on prices should we expect whenever macbook pros with corei5/i7, better video cards, hopefully usb 3.0 ports become avilable vs previous macbook pros. do you think the new models will be ultra expensive and the older ones will maintain their price or will the older models will drop considerably their price until they run out of stock?.
Cid K 5:02 PM - 2 April, 2010
Will be same price range. Everytime theres a Model refresh the price stays the same.
czar 11:14 PM - 2 April, 2010
no point just no point. Ipad "will probably sell 4 million in a heartbeat" according to a review I read but "sales are subject to stall after that"

besides you are changing the usability arguments to a "how many will sell" argument and try to say that something is great based on how many sell.

I could give you plenty of analogies where bad things get sold a lot like crack cocaine but I wont waste my precious time.

Many people who already own an Iphone and have a macbook as well do not need the ipad for anything! As a matter of fact it is more of a drag to have one and have to carry it around... now for money wasting people who would wear apple underwear if they made it then yea I cant wait for those folks to drop those better mac-books on craigslist and ebay for other people with not so great technical skill to buy them (after all Mac OS is better for those folks so) hehehe

I think physical keyboard is better than regular keyboard but word completion might make the virtual keyboard work somehow fine.. I think Apple could have done a much better job but then again they sacrificed making it a phone and multitasking for battery life...

Im happy with my cell phone! I can pretty much do everything I need to! fits in my pocket and works like a dream come true! I can type anything as fast as Speedy Gonzales, I have full fledged Office suit and oh yea I know people making the switch from iphone to physical keyboard phones after the shiny iphone cracks, breaks and people realize that Typing on a physical is a lot better! ouch!

Of course Apple will introduce PH Keyboard devices soon enough but admit it, Apple is using the "coolness" and "hype" factors more than true usability.

It shows when My friends say "I think a keyboard is better"

Apple = hot for the moment = makes some sells from ignorance and people trying to look socially cool.

I would LOL if kindle introduced a video imput for their product so that you could plug any kind of video device to it and use it as a carry around monitor as well as a reader (there are alreasy 1 onch LCD TV'S!) LOL! Again if Iphone cant support a video out it will cost their customers a lot more to make the switch around than most other device makers..

Apple is NOT secure.. jailbreaking the iphone more than proves it..

For people that have no idea about Win7. You are missing a few facts as to how much better Windows has gotten.. It is only natural that OS's evolve..

As for the weigh argument!

ASUS PC has physical keyboard, Multi-touch Touchpad , Touch-screen! A %50 faster processor and up to 2 gig ram! multi-tasking, SD/SDHC Memory Card reader, widescreen display, 1 x Display / video - VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15) , 2 x Hi-Speed USB - 4 pin USB Type A , 1 x Network - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX - RJ-45 , 1 x Headphones, 1 x Microphone - Input - Mini-phone 3.5 mm, 1.3 Megapixel camera, 5 HOUR BATTERY! !

Heck! 1 Kilo for all this seems worth it..

www.crunchgear.com

techcrunch.com

The I tampon will most likely have to drop in price to keep up and I still prefer a traditional physical keyboard and all as it protects the screen while closed.. However I found those links and thought to share..
czar 11:19 PM - 2 April, 2010
Forgot ASUS eee t91 has Bluetooth, and of course wireless duhh
czar 12:34 AM - 3 April, 2010
cuz its a post to talk about the Ipad so I want to make my points of why I dont think its that great and because I can and its my right..

why write about the Ipad in the Itch forum?

any other question?
czar 2:24 AM - 3 April, 2010
enthusiasts and people looking to avoid tunning windows.

Keep them coming...
czar 2:25 AM - 3 April, 2010
I didnt know I had to like and support something to talk about it..

Do u want to have a slave farm? Are u muscular I could use someone to work my land.
zaguama 2:27 AM - 3 April, 2010
Yes. If Windows is fantastic, why a lot of people install Hackintosh versions in their Windows machines (even at Notebooks)?

I could answer with my personal experience. just to run ITCH!!!, unfortunately i dont know if its the drivers or ITCH or whatever but its just not 100% optimal on windows. I tried Vista, 7, both sucked, now im at XP and its almost flawless but i get a dropout every now and then and scares the hell out of me every time im at a gig praying not to be let down by my computer :D. So the only reason im buying a MAC is because of ITCH, i know sounds stupid but just works period, unless Traktor releases an udpate with native support for the NS7 before the new Macbooks come out (yeah i use traktor too and never had an audio glitch or dropout ever) so i dare to blame windows issues to either ITCH or the drivers for the devices, otherwise i dont see a good reason to buy a MAC, strange enough my 3 year old AMD X2 desktop analyzes files faster than my buddy's macbook pro lol.
MusicDan 3:16 AM - 3 April, 2010
Breaker, I think he is trying to be funny, the operative word being funny...I tell you one thing he is definitely amusing.
czar 3:28 AM - 3 April, 2010
only slaves had to shut up when they didnt agree with something. I was in fact being funny. Sarcastically funny.

No hate, only love.
Ragman 6:03 AM - 3 April, 2010
@czar
I actually agree with about 25% of what you posted above. The other 75% sounds like "hateration".
DJ RuDog 8:05 AM - 3 April, 2010
Guys. Gals. This thread has totally run off of the rails. Look at the big picture. The iPad is revolutionizing the laptop. This IS where the laptop is going. A touch screen flat device a la Stargate Atlantis. Serato would be stupid NOT to port Itch to the iPad. Can you imagine running your NS7 through an iPad and NOT a clumsy laptop? I'm TOTALLY down for that. It's cheaper. It's simpler. It's cooler.
I1Kirm 8:32 AM - 3 April, 2010
It is also slower, doesn't allow real multitasking and the core audio is severely limited in iPhone OS. So, unless a MacPad appears we won't see a DJ capable Apple Pad anytime soon (and please don't talk to me about mixr, Flare Scratch, IPJ and all the other childish DJ apps).

developer.apple.com
Kmxorbit 9:20 AM - 3 April, 2010
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Many people who already own an Iphone and have a macbook as well do not need the ipad for anything! As a matter of fact it is more of a drag to have one and have to carry it around...


I own both (macbook and iphone) and I use my Iphone to surf on the internet quite a lot at home and on the road. The Iphone is actually great in use for that but I often had the feeling "was this thing a bit bigger and if this thing could read flash based websites, it would be my ideal surf machine".
I'm interested in the Ipad, because it actually fill in these thoughts.
I think I'm gonna use it a lot as soon as i own one.
djcerla 9:50 AM - 3 April, 2010
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It is also slower


True, but all the reviewers agree that it's blazing fast; fast enough for a DJ app, this for sure.

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doesn't allow real multitasking


4.0 with full applications multitasking in Exposè style is on its way; the iPad is capable of full preemptive multitasking. Also, I don't know about you, but I only have ITCH open during my gigs :)

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So, unless a MacPad appears we won't see a DJ capable Apple Pad anytime soon (and please don't talk to me about mixr, Flare Scratch, IPJ and all the other childish DJ apps)


From what I hear, you will be proven wrong very soon as a major DJ app is on the way to the iPad ;-)
djcerla 9:55 AM - 3 April, 2010
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Apple is NOT secure.. jailbreaking the iphone more than proves it..[/u]

... and this sentence proves much about your degree of understanding of IT :-)
I1Kirm 10:16 AM - 3 April, 2010
DJCerla, the reasons iPad doesn't allow for full multitasking is not technical but rather a decision of Apple based on security and power management. Preemptive multitasking is just another type of multitasking and iPad (as well as iPhone) fully supports it only for system tasks (ie all the basic system tasks continue to run in the background). What I (and most people) mean by multitasking is the ability to have a third-party application run in the background. In the current iPhone OS architecture this is not allowed. So, if for example i was running ITCH and wanted to switch to a third party sample player it would immediately stop playback from ITCH as it would be forced to save its state and shutdown.
As for the major DJ app let's hope that it will be major in every terms and not only in the name of the company that created it.

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The Iphone is actually great in use for that but I often had the feeling "was this thing a bit bigger and if this thing could read flash based websites, it would be my ideal surf machine".
I'm interested in the Ipad, because it actually fill in these thoughts.
I think I'm gonna use it a lot as soon as i own one.


IPad won't support flash. Just another restriction from Apple to force developers submit their apps through the iStore and users to pay for them
djcerla 10:32 AM - 3 April, 2010
4.0 will allow for apps multitasking.
djcerla 10:43 AM - 3 April, 2010
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IPad won't support flash. Just another restriction from Apple


same reaction as when Apple got rid of the floppy disk drive on Macs.

actually, even before the release of the iPad, Apple managed to push the whole content industry towards HTML5, a not-proprietary, open and very capable new standard www.engadget.com

Flash won't die anytime soon, but the lack of flash support will stop being a problem for iPad users in no time.
djcerla 10:56 AM - 3 April, 2010
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force developers submit their apps through the iStore and users to pay for them


"Force"??? looks more like a new Gold Rush! blog.flurry.com

Apple is now enjoying the kind of developer's frenzy that turned Microsoft into the PC leader in the '90s.
Kmxorbit 11:38 AM - 3 April, 2010
sure it won't support flash? I thought i saw somewhere it will, in a later phase of the development... don't recall where i've read that.
Kmxorbit 11:39 AM - 3 April, 2010
Here it is:
techcrunch.com
djcerla 12:29 PM - 3 April, 2010
No... it's only a way to port Flash apps into native iPhone apps.

iPhones and iPads are not going to get Flash. But content is coming anyways (i.e. Vimeo already has a HTML5 version, Netflix has just introduced a new iPad/iPhone app, and so on).
I1Kirm 2:00 PM - 3 April, 2010
HTML 5 is for Web content and media playback though the net. There is no way to compare that with the power of flash or it's direct competitor (Silverlight). If flash was enabled in iPads then essentially all the software restrictions enforced by Apple were to be canceled. A smart flash programmer can implemented multitasking right inside flash. Also, open and free alternatives of iTunes, iBook and many many games/apps would be readily available for iPad, all these without cost for the end user and ofcourse without fees to Apple. No more Apple screening/censorship of applications. Don't try to convince me that this is a good thing. It is just a business practice aimed to offer huge profits to Apple.
Also, there is no comparison between the Windows/Linux/OSX development environment and the one of iPhone OS cause in the first case nobody tells you what to (on not to) build. Also, 90% of iPhone apps are just crap or copies of another crap, 500-5000 lines of code aimed to offer quick $$ to the developer. With that kind of apps and restrictions there is no way for Apple to become the next PC leader. But hey, Mp3 players/phones/toilet surfing devices are also good places to be first.
djcerla 2:06 PM - 3 April, 2010
iCal'd for future rich quoting.
Kmxorbit 2:12 PM - 3 April, 2010
Actually i don't care how it works. As long as it works on all websites i'll be happy.
I1Kirm 2:13 PM - 3 April, 2010
No need to, I'll be the first one to admit that Apple is in the first place of mobile phones or toilet surfing devices when it happens. I already admit that is the leader in Mp3 players.
djcerla 2:38 PM - 3 April, 2010
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toilet surfing devices


kind of a short-sighted sentence for a smart guy like you.
KLH 2:38 PM - 3 April, 2010
@l1Kirm - Your post about HTML5 and iPod Touch/iPhone apps is quoted for truth.

I'll go on record to say that IMHO, the ONLY key differentiators are the form factor and closed-source platform. Like Nintendo's products, the Apple products's form-factors are "shiny" and "exciting" to hold and they make those who are less-than-technically-savvy feel comfortable using them. Those two things are KEY to new products now. If you take those two things away, the iPad becomes a super expensive tablet-based netbook... but with them, it's the "next big thing."

I give points to Apple for innovating with their products. Sony should pay attention before it kills the PlayStation brand... but I digress.

Let's hope that the second-gen iPad is powerful enough to become a platform for ITCH, because I don't think that this generation has the I/O throughput to support ITCH.

-KLH
I1Kirm 3:03 PM - 3 April, 2010
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toilet surfing devices


kind of a short-sighted sentence for a smart guy like you.


Even smart guys have the right to bash. But let me rephrase to "casual surfing devices".
iPad will be a hit for this type of usage, it's just that I am expecting something bigger from Apple if they want to dominate the PC industry.
czar 4:08 PM - 3 April, 2010
lol hatred hu? sure ok.. grab a mirror please.

teh tablet concept was not invented by Apple because there were many other ones from different companies before apple islate was rumored about..

yes the ipad might do "more" than the joo joo for example but to idolize Apple and give them credit for "revolutionizing" the market is a bit too much I think.

Sometimes people have to lie to themselves just a little bit to tell themselves they need something when they don't.
DJ Xio 4:44 PM - 3 April, 2010
Typing from my new iPad. This thing is amazing and I guarantee you it's going revolutionize portable computing like the iPhone revolutionized the smartphone. It's so much better than a netbook and so much more portable than a laptop... Let's not forget the touch screen makes it so much more personable and fun... Really loving it!
Cid K 4:50 PM - 3 April, 2010
Noice :-D
czar 5:14 AM - 5 April, 2010
czar 5:25 AM - 5 April, 2010
djshem 5:27 AM - 5 April, 2010
Ipad Owns because you can use it to control Logic, Pro Tools and Ableton, although this app is $99, that still sick!. I'm glad I sold my kaos pad, I'm sure well see an app to do just that.
czar 5:36 AM - 5 April, 2010
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Ipad Owns because you can use it to control Logic, Pro Tools and Ableton, although this app is $99, that still sick!. I'm glad I sold my kaos pad, I'm sure well see an app to do just that.


touch control will never be the same as a physical button. there is NOTHING like actually knowing what u are touching by feel rather than having to look at the thing constantly to make sure you won't hit something else by accident.. IMO..
Cid K 12:02 PM - 5 April, 2010
Or even better check out the Jazz Mutant Lemur...
Cid K 1:57 PM - 5 April, 2010
True, but just imagine if they would make a app for iPad.
czar 3:46 PM - 5 April, 2010
"TOUCH IS INACCURATE"

Touch will never be good enough to do accurate work much less production work..
djcerla 3:55 PM - 5 April, 2010
Same thing Dvorak wrote in 1984 about an "experimental pointing device that nobody would never want to use" found in an Apple product.

The mouse.
maestromind 4:05 PM - 5 April, 2010
Just got word that Apple's going to hold an "iPhone OS Software Event" on April 8th at their HQ. 4G iPhone very likely coming this summer.
djcerla 4:09 PM - 5 April, 2010
My prediction is:

iPhone Nano: same specs as the 3GS, smaller, $399 unlocked
iPhone HD: beefed up version with hi-res display, A4 system-on-a-chip, 5mpx camera with LED flash
iPhone OS 4.0 with app multitasking
maestromind 4:28 PM - 5 April, 2010
@djcerla, I've heard the iPhone Nano rumors before, but I am not completely sold on how a smaller iPhone would work.
I think your HD prediction is much more plausible - although I'm doubting whether Apple would put an A4 chip into the iPhone so soon after releasing the iPad. Steve seems keen on making sure that the iPad is faster than the iPhone.

That being said, this event will be about the OS. We'll definitely see if multitasking is coming. I agree that it is as well. Hopefully some sort of better app management (folders, anyone?). I'm also hopeful that Apple finally lets apps access iTunes, which will mean that all those DJ apps won't need a separate database of music.
czar 4:28 PM - 5 April, 2010
4G is already part of the Sprint Network..

As the actual touch system works it is NOT accurate..

With innovation it might become but it is not right now..

Example is the NS7 touch strip..

a system might be developed but it is not available..
djcerla 4:33 PM - 5 April, 2010
@ breakermixer

smaller phone, not smaller screen
maestromind 5:14 PM - 5 April, 2010
@djcerla,

How would you make a phone that's 95% screen smaller without making the screen smaller?
djcerla 5:41 PM - 5 April, 2010
Where did you get that 95% from??

BTW could be slimmer with smaller vertical bezel.
czar 5:57 PM - 5 April, 2010
1.5 inch goes to the black part of the iphone.. and 3 inches is the size of the actual touch screen..

thenextweb.com

I opened and fixed an iphone last night.. it did not look space like lol :p

www.windowsphone7series.com

I hope you have silverlight or flash to be able to see this,. lol
czar 5:59 PM - 5 April, 2010
the iphone 3gs measures 4.5 inches long = 3 inches touch screen 1.5 divided by two .75 inch to each side of the phone where button is at bottom and ear piece on top.. :)

the inside is nice.. but nothing crazy not like stuff you cant understand or anything.. actually pretty simple.. and I like the fact that the battery was not attached to the main board.. and is replaceable..
djcerla 6:29 PM - 5 April, 2010
Microsoft had to trash everything they made with CE and Win Mobile and start from scratch: an huge FAIL is written all over Steve Ballmer's decade "mobile strategy".

This is where they will actually start with Windows Phone 7: from ZERO percent of the market share. WP7 will remain a small niche player, if it will manage to survive somehow. Forget about "killing" the iPhone.
czar 6:36 PM - 5 April, 2010
hehehe of course u had to say that.. hehehe
czar 6:37 PM - 5 April, 2010
wait just for the record.. hmmmm..

"nahhh" :p
Kmxorbit 6:37 PM - 5 April, 2010
ah, watch out for android... Google is a strong competitor, even if they have to start from scratch...
djcerla 6:46 PM - 5 April, 2010
Android OS is free, while manufacturers will have to pay for WP7.

Not a small difference.
Kmxorbit 6:49 PM - 5 April, 2010
That's why, ofc.
djcerla 8:10 PM - 5 April, 2010
GROOVEMAKER for iPad: www.groovemaker.com
spazz 8:22 PM - 5 April, 2010
Interesting...
czar 8:47 PM - 5 April, 2010
all the software you can think of is possible for a regular laptop and with the Ipad you are restricted to 1ghz processor so you cant achieve a lot... yes you can do things alright but compare 1ghz processor to an i5, i7 or even the mediocre i3 is a monster compared to the ipad's...
Kmxorbit 8:49 PM - 5 April, 2010
I believe that the Ipad can become a real party booper for the JazzMutant devices...
MusicDan 8:49 PM - 5 April, 2010
Time to stop tracking this thread. I am tired of all the back and forth. Actually I am only tired of the back. ;-)
czar 8:52 PM - 5 April, 2010
being realistic how do you finely tune sounds with fat fingers? only time will tell but im happy with a laptop..

tablets have been around for a while now and will keep improving. no point on the hehe "back and forth" lol
Kmxorbit 9:01 PM - 5 April, 2010
well, my personal guess is that the people of this forum that will use the bridge, will buy an ipad as soon as it got a simular hands on control API, like the jazzmutant lemur does.
music-technology.suite101.com

Here's an example of what the Lemur can do:
www.jazzmutant.com

Imangine that on the Ipad. i think it's quite possible.
kraal 9:02 PM - 5 April, 2010
i for one would not replace a flat screen for the tactile feel of buttons and knobs
Kmxorbit 9:05 PM - 5 April, 2010
Yeah, it's nicer to have real knobs... but it takes a lot of knobs to control Ableton live completely. A touch pad (like the ipad) is a nice alternative, no?
MusicDan 9:16 PM - 5 April, 2010
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being realistic how do you finely tune sounds with fat fingers?


How fat are your fingers?
czar 4:20 AM - 6 April, 2010
very fat... lol

alright if u guys think guys u do u lol

back to Ipad hehe

www.msnbc.msn.com
czar 4:20 AM - 6 April, 2010
lol *if you think touch screen is better than knobs and faders do you he
I1Kirm 10:00 AM - 6 April, 2010
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Yes... 120.000 preorders in 24hrs just in the US is not a bad start :)

congratulations to all the Nostradamus DJ´s.

Thank god I have iCal as well. The predicted 700k to 1M pre-orders of iPad where way off.
300k for the first day which includes pre-orders & Apple Retail Stores sales...
djcerla 10:16 AM - 6 April, 2010
You've iCald wrong.

120.000 is not 700.000: the latter figure was a guesstimate from an anal-yst not from me.

The original iPhone sold 270.000 on day one; not to mention that preorders include the 3g model that will ship later this month.

Then add International distribution: this thing is going to sell a million in the first 20 days, whereas it took 74 days for the iPhone to reach that goal. An astonishing success, given that it's a totally new kind of device.

Back to your wrong iCal: the preorders figure is consistent with units actually sold.
djcerla 11:50 AM - 6 April, 2010
iPad "killer" disaster: the JooJoo Engadget review: www.engadget.com

It has Flash, but that power-hog puts the Atom CPU on its knees: youtube videos are mere "slideshows".

2.5 hours of battery life on moderate use (iPad 12 hours)

Next! :-)
casket hands 4:46 PM - 6 April, 2010
Watchwww.youtube.com

electribe for ipad
djcerla 5:17 PM - 6 April, 2010
touch controls are really perfect on the iElectribe, despite what the "usual suspects" may think ;-)

BTW just an early sign of the wonderful DJ things to come.
Kmxorbit 5:34 PM - 6 April, 2010
Nice!
czar 6:07 PM - 6 April, 2010
screw it.
Ragman 6:44 PM - 6 April, 2010
It would be nice if KueIt made an app for the iPad.
djcerla 7:03 PM - 6 April, 2010
Much better things than Kueit are just around the iPad corner.
I1Kirm 7:18 PM - 6 April, 2010
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You've iCald wrong.


No I did not. If the 120.000 first day pre-orders was correct then the expected first day sales would be more than 500,0000. Anyway that figure wasn't yours, it was from the same guy that predicted 700,000 first day sales. The iPad launch is surely successful but much lesser that the Apple hype-machine wanted it to be. Anyway, time will tell. My guess is with all the new tablets about to emerge in a couple of years Apple will have a marker share similar to the PC section (7-10%) which ofcourse is good news for Apple.
djcerla 7:34 PM - 6 April, 2010
You were actually WRONG because the preorders figure included the 3G version orders that are not factored in the official 300k sales figure.

AAPL shares are currently hitting a new all time high, instead dropping as even I was expecting, reflecting those considerations.
djcerla 7:35 PM - 6 April, 2010
Apple share on tablets will be around 75%.
casket hands 7:59 PM - 6 April, 2010
djcerla 8:02 PM - 6 April, 2010
April's Fool ;)

but nobody knows...
Kmxorbit 8:08 PM - 6 April, 2010
LoL, looks gr8!
I1Kirm 8:11 PM - 6 April, 2010
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You were actually WRONG because the preorders figure included the 3G version orders that are not factored in the official 300k sales figure.

Which according to the same sources were less that 25,000. I stick to my original post.
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Apple share on tablets will be around 75%.

No way. Pretty soon Google will jump into tablets as well. At the same time Microsoft, HP and others are very close to the release of keyboard-less tablets with the Courier looking extremely interesting... The only period Apple will have such a big share is for the next 6 months. Soon tablets costing less that $200 and doing more will emerge and sell like hotcakes.
MusicDan 8:16 PM - 6 April, 2010
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No way. Pretty soon Google will jump into tablets as well. At the same time Microsoft, HP and others are very close to the release of keyboard-less tablets with the Courier looking extremely interesting... The only period Apple will have such a big share is for the next 6 months. Soon tablets costing less that $200 and doing more will emerge and sell like hotcakes.


Is that the same way that Microsoft "jumped" into the digital music player field with Zune? How did that go?
djcerla 8:19 PM - 6 April, 2010
You were actually WRONG I repeat: this was your post:

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Yes... 120.000 preorders in 24hrs just in the US is not a bad start :)

congratulations to all the Nostradamus DJ´s.

Thank god I have iCal as well. The predicted 700k to 1M pre-orders of iPad where way off.
300k for the first day which includes pre-orders & Apple Retail Stores sales...


because I've never cited those fantasy "700k to 1M" figures, so you couldn't have iCal'd something I have NEVER SAID. So, you were dead wrong on this.

About the future, I don't have any crystal ball. But I did my homework well, because I have much money on that table. I only tell you: "just watch".

Needless to say... you've been iCal'd :-)
djcerla 8:23 PM - 6 April, 2010
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You were actually WRONG because the preorders figure included the 3G version orders that are not factored in the official 300k sales figure.
Which according to the same sources were less that 25,000.


what "sources"? Apple sources? Hell, no. So, please give a link thank you.
I1Kirm 8:36 PM - 6 April, 2010
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because I've never cited those fantasy "700k to 1M" figures, so you couldn't have iCal'd something I have NEVER SAID. So, you were dead wrong on this.

Yes but others did and i can iCal them as well, can't I? Just like you used a figure from the same source that estimated 700,000 first day sales.

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what "sources"? Apple sources? Hell, no. So, please give a link thank you.

Ofcourse not, Apple never commented on pre-sales until yesterday. Still, if you didn't have any problem at that time to cite a figure based on rumors why should I?

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No way. Pretty soon Google will jump into tablets as well. At the same time Microsoft, HP and others are very close to the release of keyboard-less tablets with the Courier looking extremely interesting... The only period Apple will have such a big share is for the next 6 months. Soon tablets costing less that $200 and doing more will emerge and sell like hotcakes.


Is that the same way that Microsoft "jumped" into the digital music player field with Zune? How did that go?

Google's Android is rapidly gaining smartphone market share for the past 12 months while Apple's (ie iPhone) stayed the same and Microsoft's dropped 4%. So, don't underestimate them. Furthermore, the whole industry was surprised when Apple released the iPod but the iPhone wasn't able to kill Blackberry because RIM was expecting their move. As for the iPad, almost everyone looks prepared for its release.
kraal 8:38 PM - 6 April, 2010
this is becoming more pointless than a pc vs mac debate :)
I1Kirm 8:39 PM - 6 April, 2010
Ofcourse, that's the point, isn't it?
kraal 8:41 PM - 6 April, 2010
no i was hoping to see more... i use the ipad with this dj software to do this....

thats the point of the ipad right?
Kmxorbit 8:44 PM - 6 April, 2010
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no i was hoping to see more... i use the ipad with this dj software to do this....

thats the point of the ipad right?


+1

Figures of sales estimates, predictions of market share or wrong iCalds is the least of my interest...
I1Kirm 8:44 PM - 6 April, 2010
Currently less that 400,000 own the iPad and there is no killer DJ app. So for the time being flaming seems more appropriate to me :P
djcerla 8:46 PM - 6 April, 2010
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Still, if you didn't have any problem at that time to cite a figure based on rumors why should I?


Because I can provide a LINK with exact METODOLODY of that research. You are a scientist so you should understand what a metodology is, and eventually confute that metodology; but you CAN'T drop a "25.000" figure out of the blue, without even a link.


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As for the iPad, almost everyone looks prepared for its release.


They're prepared with VAPORWARE, mere GUI renders, not actual shipping products, aimed at trying to freeze people's decision to get the Apple device. It will be a cold shower when those vaporware translate into real devices like the hugely disappointing JOOJOO is starting to show.

This said, I agree with kraal... back to useful iPad DJ apps guys...
I1Kirm 8:55 PM - 6 April, 2010
OK then, I'll stop bashing but before that here is a random link I copied from google
www.macnn.com

They are literally thousands of links on the web that posted the exactly same numbers for the past couple of weeks all using the same "scientific" (read totally unscientific) methodology of pre-orders serial numbers, and all of them said that 75% of the pre-sales were for the wi-fi version.

Please Cerla, I thought by now you'd know I don't post anything unless I can back it up...
djcerla 9:15 PM - 6 April, 2010
You are wrong, again, because 25% is not 25.000 units.

25% of 300.000 is 75.000 not 25.000.

That's why I couldnt remember that fantasy 25.000 figure.
I1Kirm 9:20 PM - 6 April, 2010
I was talking about the 120,000 first day presales
I1Kirm 9:21 PM - 6 April, 2010
How could I've talking about the official first day sales that didn't include the 3G version anyway?
kraal 9:26 PM - 6 April, 2010
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Currently less that 400,000 own the iPad and there is no killer DJ app. So for the time being flaming seems more appropriate to me :P

i doubt there are that many ns7 owners either... :)
djcerla 9:27 PM - 6 April, 2010
Ok so 30k not 25k. Wrong for the third time in a row :)

And if you take the 25% for good, at least 75k units will be added in the US only on first 3G day. To put things in prospective, the Google "superphone" Nexus One sold about 120k total.
I1Kirm 9:32 PM - 6 April, 2010
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Ok so 30k not 25k. Wrong for the third time in a row :)

Ts ts... At least I was less wrong than you

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Currently less that 400,000 own the iPad and there is no killer DJ app. So for the time being flaming seems more appropriate to me :P

i doubt there are that many ns7 owners either... :)


Yes but all of them have a killer DJ app and they are... er... DJs. I wonder how many of the iPad owners are DJs as well :)
kraal 9:34 PM - 6 April, 2010
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Yes but all of them have a killer DJ app and they are... er... DJs. I wonder how many of the iPad owners are DJs as well :)

off my head i can name a few big names such as
steve1der
jordanlaws
and DJ tinat is thinking of getting one :)
I1Kirm 9:37 PM - 6 April, 2010
lol
czar 9:50 PM - 6 April, 2010
oh no more ipod djs.. shseeesshh LOL
djcerla 9:55 PM - 6 April, 2010
I wasn't wrong at all. I even nailed the name iPad before the unveiling :)
Cid K 1:24 PM - 7 April, 2010
Alright there it is for all the babies that can't wait a few week's/month to see all the major music software start taking a glimpse of how crazy it can be with a iPad.

www.midipad.de

Am getting one for sure, and am pretty sure in a near futur we will start to see more and more music and dj app's poping up.
marcA 1:47 PM - 7 April, 2010
djcerla 1:53 PM - 7 April, 2010
let the show begin...
I1Kirm 2:11 PM - 7 April, 2010
Using the iPad as a glorious Midi controller for full-blown DJ apps is certainly the way to go. I might as well buy an iPad if a stable app for controlling Ableton comes out, in this regard midipad looks really promising.
On the other hand trying to create a proper DJ app on the iPad will be a disaster IMO. 1Ghz CPU with just 256MB of RAM and a crappy Cirrus Logic soundcard is not what a pro DJ should depend on.
A sample launcher would probably play quite nicely though.
djcerla 2:33 PM - 7 April, 2010
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a crappy Cirrus Logic soundcard is not what a pro DJ should depend on.


Have you tested it? Of course not.

Also: never heard about breakout boxes? Let's see how long it takes for APOGEE to come out with a top-quality 4 channels interface for iPad, my guess is before Christmas. Apogee apart, expect the first iPad DJ breakout boxes very soon.

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1Ghz CPU with just 256MB of RAM


In 2004 I used to play on a powerbook G4, 867 MHz, with great results on Final Scratch.

Again, you should know that the iPad nominal 1Ghz is a very capable processor, given that the built-in RAM increases the performance dramatically (while reducing power consumption). All the reviews, with no exception, are pointing out iPad speed.
zaguama 2:57 PM - 7 April, 2010
pardon my ignorance, how you make the ipad dj apps useful with your current setup? does the ipad has a reliable sound card that you can plug in to your mixer or how you include it in your setup?
Cid K 2:59 PM - 7 April, 2010
More stuff on the iPad.

No more OSC, plug with USB and it SENDS Midi!

www.iconnectivity.com
czar 4:33 PM - 7 April, 2010
I stand by something I can actually touch. Knobs/faders/buttons.. no virtual stuff when it comes to (HARDWARE)

That is the point of the NS7 or anything for that matter.

Or you could grab a touch screen and play with VDJ and be a champ..

If this is the case then VDJ kicks Itch's behind...
The Reverand 10:50 PM - 7 April, 2010
I love to read these ipad threads that pop up all over the place.
Unfortunately, I think Apple bought their own hype and this signals the END of their "golden age" (where everything they make sells). Many people whose writing I trust, such as CmdrTaco over at Slashdot, have raised serious issues with it's usability and actual usefulness. I had the opportunity to use one Monday, and whilst it was cool, it's a really expensive toy. And thats all it will ever be. Apple has failed to learn ANYTHING from their products that sold well. The ipod and iphone did very well for 2 reasons; when they entered the marketplace there was nothing that offered the features and ease they did, and they continued to sell well because their competition took their sweet time bringing products that could directly compete. By then Apple was entrenched. The ipad on the other hand offers nothing I can't get in a netbook or even an iphone. Furthermore Apple's direct competition in the tablet market have some very interesting products in the pipeline and many are launching THIS YEAR. There isn't enough time for Apple to gain the market lead it needs to do well. And when they are available on an even price point with the ipad I think Apple is gonna see a sales slide they won't recover from.

OH and I saw someone mention Apple's recent stock rise. If I sold 300,000 pieces of fake vomit in 2 days my stock would go up to. Wall Street sinks their money where the money seems to be at the time. Like Credit Default Swaps. :)
djcerla 11:11 PM - 7 April, 2010
more than 540.000 iPads sold as of today (based on unique iPad network analysis) labs.chitika.com

@ The Reverend:

those 2 reasons you mention are exactly the reasons why the iPad is a runaway hit.
I1Kirm 11:13 PM - 7 April, 2010
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a crappy Cirrus Logic soundcard is not what a pro DJ should depend on.

Have you tested it? Of course not.


Actually most of us probably did; all indications show that is the same sound card that comes with the iPhone 3GS. Pretty good for earphone use but I wouldn't plug it to a club mixer for any reason other than backup.

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Also: never heard about breakout boxes? Let's see how long it takes for APOGEE to come out with a top-quality 4 channels interface for iPad, my guess is before Christmas. Apogee apart, expect the first iPad DJ breakout boxes very soon.


Not so sure about that. The main reason I have my doubts is power consumption. If the breakout box draws its power from the iPad it will seriously hurt its battery life. According to iFixit the iPad is rated at about 2.5W during full use. A quality breakout box will need about 200-300mA at 5V which is 1-1.5W, that is 50% of what iPad uses, ie battery life lower than 6-7 hours. Furthermore, although I am not an iPad programmer, I have my doubts regarding the ability of iPad/iPhone OS to support external sound devices (and I'm not talking about simple breakout cables here).
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1Ghz CPU with just 256MB of RAM


Again, you should know that the iPad nominal 1Ghz is a very capable processor, given that the built-in RAM increases the performance dramatically (while reducing power consumption). All the reviews, with no exception, are pointing out iPad speed.


It is the well known single core ARM Cortex A8, the same used at iPhone 3GS but at a higher clock (1GZ instead of 600 MHz). The performance gains of the built-in RAM are actually pretty small compared to the gains of clock speed alone. As the Ars technica benchmarks show the iPad is indeed 30-50% faster that the iPhone 3GS, a figure that can be easily attributed to the CPU speed. On the other hand the "very capable" A4 processor is about 25 times slower than a macbook pro and 6-7 times slower than the Atom based Asus Eee 1005PE. As a matter of fact the only devices slower than iPad are smartphones, not netbooks nor laptops. Combine this with the lack of multitasking, swap, RAM, USB ports and you will see how easy will be for a company to develop a full-blown DJ app that can play 2 decks at the same time with master tempo, scratch/pitch bend, waveform display, perhaps a sampler and an iPad powered external soundcard. And all that without compromising stability and battery life (unless of course you keep the iPad plugged-in but then you will need a special adapter to charge the iPad while allowing access for the breakout box).
So even if it works you will have a DJ device that needs as many cables as a CDJ-400 (for example) will not play CDs and will cost more that the CDJ on the first place....
No thanks, I'll stick to the iPad as an external MIDI controller paradigm...
I1Kirm 11:14 PM - 7 April, 2010
Ts ts I forgot some of my sources
arstechnica.com
www.ifixit.com
djcerla 11:22 PM - 7 April, 2010
@ I1Kirm

WRONG for the 4th time in a row, as the iPad resulted TWICE as fast as the 3GS (100%), not "30-50% faster"

about real life speed: finance.yahoo.com

anyways, you're going to be proven WRONG (again!) about PRO DJ apps on the iPad VERY soon, a little bird tweeted me.
I1Kirm 11:22 PM - 7 April, 2010
chitika.com

That is a pathetic way for a research company to present its methodology. It looks more as an omelet recipe than a scientific method....
I'll wait for the next official data to see how close this estimate really is
djcerla 11:23 PM - 7 April, 2010
another estimate puts total sales at 750.000 www.macrumors.com
I1Kirm 11:36 PM - 7 April, 2010
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@ I1Kirm

WRONG for the 4th time in a row, as the iPad resulted TWICE as fast as the 3GS (100%), not "30-50% faster"

about real life speed: finance.yahoo.com

anyways, you're going to be proven WRONG (again!) about PRO DJ apps on the iPad VERY soon, a little bird tweeted me.


@Cerla this is the last time I am answering to one of your posts. I am sorry I have to say that but you're arrogant, opinionated and obviously blind and ignorant when it comes to technology. If you can't read the pages I posted and do some simple math then that obviously is not my problem. Also try to read the whole links next time and not just look at the beautiful pictures or just the title.
As for the finance.yahoo.com if you read past the title you will see that
"Of course, some of these performance gains are likely a result of the iPad not loading Flash content. This speeds things up, but may also limit functionality on many sites. However, Imad says that even correcting for this, top optimized sites appear to load equivalent content faster on the iPad than on netbooks"

And ofcourse the link says nothing about which browser was used on the netbooks, what netbooks did they test, what OS, what were the optimizations etc. Just another of the usual Apple hype-machine crap you randomly post.
djcerla 11:38 PM - 7 April, 2010
Again on iPad DJ apps:

1) as the good old 2004 Final Scratch shows, a DJ app can run on slower processors, if it's written efficiently (well-written)

2) developing a DJ app for just one model (processor, RAM, etc.) means less variables in play, so more stability, just like an embedded system, to a degree that our DVS and all-in-one systems could only dream of.
djcerla 11:41 PM - 7 April, 2010
@ I1Kirm

maybe we're reading different articles:

"Across the entire web, the iPad appears to be slightly slower than netbooks. Gomez CTO Imad Mouline speculates that the better performance on top sites could be a results of efforts by sites to optimize for the device. If that's right, the iPad could provide a better browsing experience across the board as more sites follow suit."

"slightly slower" is not 6x slower as your posts declared.

And why arrogant? You were simply WRONG on the 30-50% figure (it was actually 100% as far as I know), so no arrogance is in play here, just hard cold data.
djcerla 11:49 PM - 7 April, 2010
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you're arrogant, opinionated and obviously blind and ignorant when it comes to technology


Not so "nice to others" here, I1Kirm. You went in overheating mode and break the #1 rule of this forum.

Why, is a mystery.
czar 2:02 AM - 8 April, 2010
lol everybody seems to break rules against cerla lol
czar 2:03 AM - 8 April, 2010
poor cerla!
czar 2:13 AM - 8 April, 2010
"Apple forums and the official support site are jam packed with user complaints all related to weak WiFi signal problem," Product Reviews reports.

"New reports suggested that the iPad may not power up properly when connected to some USB ports. Users also complained that the iPad would only charge if turned off or in sleep mode." Yahoo's tech blogger shared his personal charging woes, explaining, "when I plugged my new iPad into my MacBook Pro and saw the "Not charging" message next to the iPad's battery icon."

According to The Times, iPhone apps are frequently crashing when loaded onto the iPad. Yahoo's Ben Patterson adds, "I've been hearing a series of complaints about iPad apps crashing repeatedly; the culprits run the gamut, ranging from games and the Netflix and ABC streaming video players to apps for the New York Times and TIME magazine. "

The iPad can be clunky when it comes to writing with the device. Dave Winer writes on his blog, "None of my writing tools are there. Not just the ones I use to enter keystrokes into the computer, and edit and revise them, but also the tools I use for finding information I want to reference in my stories. ... It's definitely not a writing tool. Out of the question." Gizmodo opines, "It's pretty clear that typing is a secondary function for the iPad."

PC World explains: "Time spent syncing is ridiculously sluggish. Some users say that syncing their iPads gobbles up 30-plus minutes -- others claim four or more hours, with one user saying they lost seven hours. This begs the question: what's the point in buying a tablet that won't let you play with it?" Users on the Apple forum report that syncing the iPad often freezes iTunes: "iTunes recognizes the iPad fine, but as soon as I click the sync apps check box, iTunes freezes."

Shane Sweeney:
Overall, the ipad is way more of a let down then any body in the media has been reporting it as. Pretty sure they were all paid off.
I got one of the iPads with a defunct wifi chip, so my wifi has been crappy.
Also, I bought it to ready content (mostly pdfs) from my classes as they move to being more web based. Viewing pdfs is horrendous. It's slow, you can't save them, take notes, highlight, and you have to be online to view them for the most part.
I hate the iphone app emulator! It makes apps barely usable with the emulated keyboard.
I also bought it for the netflix app, which crashes and navigates poorly. Awesome!
Not a fan, probably just going to return mine and turn my macbook sideways

www.huffingtonpost.com

Many consumers do not understand the device’s purpose, who would want to pay $500 or more for it and why anyone would need another gadget on top of a computer and smartphone. After all, phones are performing an ever-expanding range of functions, as Apple points out in its many iPhone commercials.

If you want the iPad, you'll have to shell out anywhere from $499 to $829--in other words, it's more expensive than many netbooks, which offer full web browsing, multitasking, and more.

And first generation devices can be buggy. Fast Company writes,
First-generation Apple products are for suckers. Only lemmings with no self-control and excessive disposable income buy first generation Apple products, especially in a new gadget category. When they do, they pay the double the price for immature hardware and software.

Walt Mossberg noted that Apple's partnership with AT&T for the iPad elicited strong reactions from the audience attending the tablet's unveiling: "There were groans and boos among Mr. Jobs' otherwise excited audience when this [partnership] was announced."

One of the biggest criticisms of the iPad is that it doesn't include Flash support--which means users won't be able to view video on sites that run Flash, including Hulu, Disney, and ESPN. Other tablets, such as the HP Slate (set to be released later this year) do support Adobe's Flash player and don't require foregoing your favorite Flash-running websites.

The iPad weighs a full 1.5 pounds to the Kindle's 10 ounces. David Pogue writes that its weight can make it cumbersome to hold if you're reading for long stretches of time: it 'gets heavy in your hand after awhile,' he says.

The iPad supports background processes--but only for built in applications and not third party apps. 'So you can listen to music, receive emails, and have the iTunes app download podcasts while you send out tweets through your twitter client,' SmokingApples explains. However, if you want to run two third party apps simultaneously--say, listen to Pandora while you draw with Brushes--you're out of luck.

Forget Video Skyping, snapping photos, or recording video: the iPad doesn't come with a camera.

www.huffingtonpost.com
Ragman 2:59 AM - 8 April, 2010
It's going to be very interesting to look back at these posts come next year around this time. ;-)
czar 4:57 AM - 8 April, 2010
he the deaf leading the blind
Kmxorbit 6:38 AM - 8 April, 2010
I think this thread should be moved to the
"General DJing Discussion"-area
as this post does not contain any info in relation to Itch. (not even close)
The Reverand 10:05 AM - 8 April, 2010
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@ The Reverend:

those 2 reasons you mention are exactly the reasons why the iPad is a runaway hit.


Today.
Unfortunately Apple prices require long term high sales to make any substantive profit. And as I said before Apple didn't do anything to stand out far enough from their competition and they will be the lame duck of the tablet market by years end.
And lets not forget the numerous hardware and software glitches.

If you want to see a tablet built by some folks who actually thought about building something useful and not something trendy check out the ADAM: www.notionink.in

And thats just one of the dozen tablets hitting the market this year.
djcerla 10:22 AM - 8 April, 2010
OK, we'll review your "dozen tablets" sales figures by year's end.

Let's start with the only not-vaporware iPad challenger: 90 units ordered (and 17 orders cancelled), "enjoy" the full review here: www.engadget.com
The Reverand 2:32 PM - 8 April, 2010
Dude, the JooJoo? Its suck was expected since these clowns put releasing before the ipad in front of making a good product. An of course it isn't selling well; many of their would be customers won't buy it because of how bad these guys screwed TechCrunch.
A little history would have helped you there.
djcerla 3:06 PM - 8 April, 2010
What "history"? Even Engadget published a iPad vs JooJoo story yesterday, it's a perfectly plausible comparison given the identical price point. Oh, and it's got Flash! :D

Next one.
Djkom 3:39 PM - 8 April, 2010
Look this Serato + Ipad interaction !!!

Watchwww.youtube.com

A quick look to the future of scratch live controller ????
czar 3:56 PM - 8 April, 2010
looks like ipad is too big after all!

dvice.com
marcA 4:41 PM - 8 April, 2010
ok i'll heat up some other discussion/speculation....
i attented a demo by pioneer (djm2000+cdj2000) (impressive really)
and the sales rep (also dj) told the crowd that they already released 3 new devices and that there were 10 more to come this year alone...no video devices though...
Cid K 5:07 PM - 8 April, 2010
iPhone os 4.0 Keynote.

www.engadget.com

Enjoy
djcerla 5:08 PM - 8 April, 2010
450.000 iPads sold as of today (source: Apple)
djcerla 5:15 PM - 8 April, 2010
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Cid K 5:17 PM - 8 April, 2010
Damn massive update that new 4.0 os.
Cid K 5:17 PM - 8 April, 2010
About Bloody time!
djcerla 5:19 PM - 8 April, 2010
And a nice multitsking implementation, too
Cid K 5:19 PM - 8 April, 2010
True.
djcerla 5:20 PM - 8 April, 2010
... preserving speed and battery life...
djcerla 5:22 PM - 8 April, 2010
"Pandora can continue to play music in the background while you switch to apps. And you can use a controller in the lock screen to control Pandora."
Cid K 5:40 PM - 8 April, 2010
Wowow this is phat stuff.... Wondering if it will be all included for those with iPhone 3GS.
djcerla 6:03 PM - 8 April, 2010
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Wondering if it will be all included for those with iPhone 3GS.


yes
Cid K 6:08 PM - 8 April, 2010
noice :-D
Ragman 6:18 PM - 8 April, 2010
Sweet. Just picked up a 3GS the other day. Timing is perfect.
kraal 9:12 PM - 8 April, 2010
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Wowow this is phat stuff.... Wondering if it will be all included for those with iPhone 3GS.



"We are releasing it for end users for iPhone and iPod touch for users this summer. For the 3GS and iPod touch 3rd gen. And, for iPhone 3G and iPod touch 2nd gen, they will run many things... but there are some things they won't run, like multitasking."
Cid K 9:19 PM - 8 April, 2010
Good, i got a 3GS and ill probably get the next gen when it get's released!
MusicDan 9:36 PM - 8 April, 2010
DJ Cerla, ci sono molte persone qui che giusto ama scegliere delle lotte. Pensano che sappiano che parlano di ma sono delusi di solito quando realizzano che hanno torto.
djcerla 9:41 PM - 8 April, 2010
Google translation is always entertaining :)
Otter 9:44 PM - 8 April, 2010
What the hell google translate?!?
"ci sono persone molto qui giusto che scegliere delle lotte loves. Pensano sappiano che Parlano di ma che sono di solito delusi realizzano when che hanno Torto."

is what is shat back out at me.
djcerla 9:48 PM - 8 April, 2010
Try Italian to English
MusicDan 9:51 PM - 8 April, 2010
That's exactly what I said in Italian.
Otter 10:18 PM - 8 April, 2010
Grazie! Capisco ora.
czar 6:06 AM - 11 April, 2010
czar 6:12 AM - 11 April, 2010
kraal 5:29 PM - 12 April, 2010
Kmxorbit 5:41 PM - 12 April, 2010
Quote:
ow.ly

Nice with wifi bit I think latency will always be an issue.
czar 5:41 PM - 12 April, 2010
I still like my knobs.

dang I wanted to taunt here..

I will anyways

3.bp.blogspot.com
kraal 7:29 PM - 12 April, 2010
yeahdef 6:18 PM - 13 April, 2010
www.sonorasaurus.com
these guys are giving away promo codes for their dj application if you comment on their blogpost. HURRY!
djcerla 12:54 PM - 14 April, 2010
over 500.000 iPads sold, international launch delayed one month for overwhelming demand www.marketwatch.com

massive hit.
djcerla 1:52 PM - 14 April, 2010
No surprise for me indeed.

However many pundits on this board predicted an historical flop: they will soon eat a very tasty crow!
czar 3:31 PM - 14 April, 2010
and they keep using the "how many we sell" to excuse a poor product.
czar 3:51 PM - 14 April, 2010
It's funny that Apple uses the USA to show off how many Ipads they can sell. In the USA you paint poo pink and wrap it in a velvet bag and sell it as a fashion statement.
djcerla 4:17 PM - 14 April, 2010
what part of "we can't build enough iPads" you don't get?
Otter 4:42 PM - 14 April, 2010
From what I heard it is a great product. But to me it is just a larger iphone. If it had been running MacOs instead of Iphone OS I would have bought it in a heart beat. I just hate being locked into "apps". Apple is starting ot get as bad as Microsoft. Jobs and Gates, the new borg collective.
djcerla 4:49 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:
I just hate being locked into "apps"


Why? Are you programming your own software? You can do that on the iPad, too.

Otherwise, you're locked into "apps" even on OSX or windows.
czar 4:51 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:
what part of "we can't build enough iPads" you don't get?


^classic marketing tactic.. Somehow I don't believe those figures but Apple can say what they want.

and wait! shouldn't it be: "iCan't" build more? hahaha

me, me, me, ahhhh MEEEEEE MUAHAHHAHA
czar 4:54 PM - 14 April, 2010
even if those figures were true.. how many are being returned? And I will not get tired of saying: I doesn't matter how much poo you sell in a velvet bag! It is still POO!

That people with money and ignorance like velvet bags; I won't contend.
djcerla 4:55 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:
Somehow I don't believe those figures but Apple can say what they want


You're wrong, as usual.

Apple CAN'T say what they want because it's a publicly traded company. The figures are official.
czar 5:00 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:
From what I heard it is a great product. But to me it is just a larger iphone. If it had been running MacOs instead of Iphone OS I would have bought it in a heart beat. I just hate being locked into "apps". Apple is starting ot get as bad as Microsoft. Jobs and Gates, the new borg collective.



The reason why it has Iphone OS is because IT IS an Iphone. Wait! an Iphone without a phone! sorry it's not even an iphone.

And the real reason is because the hardware sucks! I can't hold to any real usage more than browse and even Jobs is using the hardware limitations of the ipad to attack Adobe and their software!

New Atom processors are soon to hit market! Soon Ipad 2.0 and new EEE's! I can't wait for the New EEE's. The T91 is just amazing! I can't wait for it to have a dual core Atom processor and a yet better looking exterior: tho Asus doesn't need to make everything look shiny to sell their products like pancakes. MUAHAHAHA

reviews.cnet.com
czar 5:07 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:
Windows 95 on the Ipad: Watchwww.youtube.com lol



lmao that just goes to show the power of the iPad hardware HAHAHAHA
czar 5:17 PM - 14 April, 2010
meanwhile the latest MS Windows running on the T91 with a single 1.33 processor!

Watchwww.youtube.com

(take some time to watch it, dont be a blind hatter)

Let me see the latest Mac OS running on Ipad! <--JOKE!

I cant wait for the new dual core Atom.. maybe Snow Leopard will work in the ipad then?
czar 5:28 PM - 14 April, 2010
czar 5:31 PM - 14 April, 2010
"Developers are not free to use any tools to help them. If there is some tool that converts some Pascal or, Ruby, or Java into Objective-C it is out of bounds, because then the code is not "originally" written in C. This is akin to telling people what kind of desk people sit at when they write software for the iPhone. Or perhaps what kind of music they listen to. Or what kind of clothes they should be wearing. This is *INSANE*."

I smell lawsuit! If Adobe and others don't win then Apple has bought some judges too!
czar 5:32 PM - 14 April, 2010
"If you need to "originally" write your code in Swahili, while listening to Milli Vanilli, while reclining in a patch of mud, and then you need fifty oompa loompas to translate the Swahili into C, that is none of Steve Jobs fucking business. And the idea, which I am sure is actually the plan, that he will inspect application code to figure out what the "original" language is that the code was written in is just plain pathological."

HAHAHAHAHAHA
Otter 5:32 PM - 14 April, 2010
Yes, I do some programming on a rare ocassion. But I like getting into the terminal. On my Macbook I just run Iterm and control stuff form the CLI. Don't get me wrong, I love my iphone. I just don't want to spend $500 on the same device with a larger screen.
djcerla 5:33 PM - 14 April, 2010
get a life
MusicDan 5:34 PM - 14 April, 2010
I am beginning to think that czar is the president of Asus!!!

Somebody please get him some Haterade.
czar 5:39 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:


Somebody please get him some Haterade.


NO! GET ME AN EEE t91 or better! but wait until they sport the new dual core Atom. =) thank you!

Quote:


Somebody please get him some Haterade.


wait I will buy this round.

1.bp.blogspot.com

Please share.
czar 5:40 PM - 14 April, 2010
funny how the same people keep taking aim at me.. hehehe =D
Otter 5:41 PM - 14 April, 2010
Me get a life? Sorry Ceria, didn't mean to offend. Just was stating my reasons for not purchashing a Ipad day 1.
Kmxorbit 5:45 PM - 14 April, 2010
Windows will not have an answer soon for the iPad, as they don't have an proper working touch GUI ready.
Quote:
meanwhile the latest MS Windows running on the T91 with a single 1.33 processor!
Watchwww.youtube.com

This video illustrates my point. I don't want to operate a touchscreen with chopsticks.

This reminds me on the mistake I made by buying a Samsung Omnia phone with windows Mobile on it. Superiour hardware with an inferiour touch OS on it. Samsung even delivered an expandable touchpen because otherwise you're not able to operate it.
And then I don't mention the shitty performance of the telephone itself. All caused by the software. And on top of it, It was the same price as my iPhone, which is a 1000 times better.

The same story here for the T91. MS OS sucks for such devices.
czar 5:47 PM - 14 April, 2010
^the guy says that the "chopstick" is not needed.. he was using it so his hand wouldn't be in the way..

But I will agree that the touch interface can get much better. I for once prefer to use the smalled buttons (harder at times to hit) than a useless (in comparison) system that is the ipad..
czar 5:49 PM - 14 April, 2010
forgive him Otter. He was most likely firing at me.

And yea; sometimes people have odd ways to differ from one's points of view such as insulting, belittling and condescending.
MusicDan 5:54 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:
Me get a life? Sorry Ceria, didn't mean to offend. Just was stating my reasons for not purchashing a Ipad day 1.


I don't think he was saying for you to get a life, but to czar. You couldn't figure that out? It was obvious, just like czar said, we all aim at him. He is the poor old punching bag.

czar, I really like that link with the Hatorade.
Otter 5:57 PM - 14 April, 2010
I get were Czar comes from. People throw alot of punches at Windows (even I call it WinBlowz)... but Windows 7 is a pretty nice OS .. I just prefer Mac OS.

Back to the topic "Throw punches at Czar" - Get a amiga commie!
MusicDan 5:58 PM - 14 April, 2010
I call it Windoze since there is nothing exciting about it!!!
czar 6:01 PM - 14 April, 2010
techielobang.com

www.microsoft.com

"Let's see how long Apple stays on the "no stylus" business model. -Czar."
czar 6:11 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:
I call it Windoze since there is nothing exciting about it!!!


But there is Dan.

www.corel.com

windows.microsoft.com

www.hp.com
MusicDan 6:13 PM - 14 April, 2010
Yawn!!!
Cid K 6:14 PM - 14 April, 2010
alright am leaving this thread, completely pointless..
kraal 6:17 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:
alright am leaving this thread, completely pointless..

took you far long to figure that one out... your slippin :)
Kmxorbit 6:34 PM - 14 April, 2010
yeah but you're all still reading it, don't you? :-D
djcerla 7:04 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:
Me get a life?


of course not!!! the "Other Guy"
Otter 7:08 PM - 14 April, 2010
Damnit, what is the exchange rate for old Windows PC and a life?
MusicDan 7:52 PM - 14 April, 2010
You guys are entertaining...
kraal 8:24 PM - 14 April, 2010
so at one point i said that it would not 'change the game' ok so maybe i am wrong as an illustrator i am thinking like wait a minute ... hmmmm

Watchwww.youtube.com
Kmxorbit 8:33 PM - 14 April, 2010
Well this is nice...
Ragman 8:42 PM - 14 April, 2010
To czar & djcerla-

If down the line either, say a year from now, one of you are proven wrong, are you man enough to admit it on this forum (in a new thread titled "I Was Wrong") ???

My point is it's one thing to blast away, but it's tells a lot about your character if you can man up and say publicly that you were wrong.

Any takers?
kraal 8:46 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:
thread titled "I Was Wrong") ???

My point is it's one thing to blast away, but it's tells a lot about your character if you can man up and say publicly that you were wrong.

Any takers?

hey i already did :)
nothing is wrong with saying you are wrong... my kids still flip out when i say it to them :)
Ragman 8:48 PM - 14 April, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
thread titled "I Was Wrong") ???

My point is it's one thing to blast away, but it's tells a lot about your character if you can man up and say publicly that you were wrong.

Any takers?

hey i already did :)
nothing is wrong with saying you are wrong... my kids still flip out when i say it to them :)


Not saying you but, some people find this simple thing extremely difficult.
czar 9:05 PM - 14 April, 2010
Kraal that is awesome and shows why Apple is so interested on attacking Adobe..
djcerla 9:52 PM - 14 April, 2010
I was wrong several times on this board, and I have always admitted it. There is no problem in it, as we're humans and we make mistakes :)

however, the guy would just say "ok the ipad sold 15 millions in one year, so what? all marketing, it still sucks". So it's totally pointless.

The iPad is already a runaway hit; it remains to be seen whether it will become a common dj tool; my educated guess is that it will dramatically change the entry level DJ technology, and used by professionals, too, for applications that it's hard to even imagine now.
czar 12:48 AM - 15 April, 2010
I have stated here that my preference is a regular laptop over a slate because of the hard keyboard. I think that it comes to preference but what I discuss is usability and this might be worth looking at..

Seriously tho. Do you think it is convenient to not have a single USB port?

www.neofonie.de
djcerla 1:47 AM - 15 April, 2010
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I have stated here that my preference is a regular laptop over a slate


so why are you so compelled to write hundreds of posts in the iPad topic?
czar 4:03 AM - 15 April, 2010
Because technology is SO much better than the ipad already! it's actually laughable for the price what the ipad can do.

who wants to plug a damn thing to a computer every time one wants to transfer a file? Someone hasn't heard of SD Cards! Hello!

Baterry life sounds good but what happened to the rest of my slate!

And can Apple keep up with Intel already and give the ipad the same battery life? Maybe. We will see. However I tend not to buy anything without a USB port and a SD or MicroSD slot.

Apple hasn't heard of this!

Watchwww.youtube.com

SD CARD
www.google.com

MICRO SD-CARD
www.google.com

USB MEMORY STICK
www.google.com

USB CAMERA
www.google.com

USB MINI MOUSE
www.google.com

USB CD-ROM
www.google.com

RECHARGEABLE MOUSE AND KEYBOARD HOOKED TO AN IPAD DOCK
www.amazon.com

www.androidspin.com

tHIS ONE IS BETTER CERLA TIME TO START PLAYING MORE WITH YOUR SHARES AND LOOK AT OTHER COMPANIES TOO. UNLESS YOU DON'T WANT TO THAT'S FINE AS WELL.
czar 4:08 AM - 15 April, 2010
These are just reasonable features for any modern man.
Kmxorbit 6:39 AM - 15 April, 2010
@czar : The iPad is not a Laptop.
czar 7:27 AM - 15 April, 2010
^obviously not

But the Wepad is a lot closer.
czar 8:12 AM - 15 April, 2010
djcerla 8:13 AM - 15 April, 2010
So, get a laptop if you want something closer to a laptop.
Kmxorbit 8:15 AM - 15 April, 2010
That's a linux based pad, not an M$ OS driven pad. I doubt it can make a fist against iPad and it's worldwide marketing machine.

And also, let's face it: M$ has no answer.
djcerla 8:30 AM - 15 April, 2010
Tablets based on OS's developed for keyboard/mouse interaction have been a massive flop for 12 years, and will continue to flop happily in the foreseeable future.

The real iPad competitors will be driven by leaner OS's like Android, WP7.
czar 9:06 AM - 15 April, 2010
Quote:
Tablets based on OS's developed for keyboard/mouse interaction have been a massive flop for 12 years, and will continue to flop happily in the foreseeable future.


keeping on record
czar 9:14 AM - 15 April, 2010
anyways this is cool

androidandme.com

www.cooliris.com
ontime1269 11:39 PM - 16 April, 2010
Too funny. Are those screens claw resistant?
KLH 2:55 AM - 21 April, 2010
BACK ON TOPIC!

Ladies and gentlemen, start your microwaves! It's the iPad DJ:

Watchwww.youtube.com

-KLH
kraal 5:35 AM - 21 April, 2010
actually like thje idea of switching apps
ontime1269 3:27 PM - 21 April, 2010
Seriously, would any of you here, actually show up and do a gig with 2 ipads & a mixer. That set-up is so Fisher Price to me. It might be something fun to play around with at home maybe.
KLH 3:55 PM - 21 April, 2010
^ This is shortsighted. No one cares about the TOOLS that a DJ uses to rock a crowd. They just want to know that the crowd will be rocked.

As for the iPad, it's a question of TIME before an app comes out with pitchshifting and quantizing that will make it a legitimate alternative to TTs, CDJs, and MIDI controllers.

Just think of the possibilities - one app could be to emulate a CDJ 2000... or even a V7. Another could be to have a Roland Jupiter (for really PHAT basslines), yet another can be a sampler. What makes it better (and kraal gets this) is that ALL iPads can change apps to be whatever you want! Need another sampler? No problem. Need 4 decks? No problem.

The linchpin (as always) is the mixer. So far, I only see the iPad being a sound source - not a mixer.

Of course, I could be wrong, but if the apps are there AND used iPads get to be around $300 or less, I can't imagine why anyone WOULDN'T be curious...

-KLH
ontime1269 4:21 PM - 21 April, 2010
I wasn't talking about how someone would be perceived djing with ipads. let me ask a different question. Would you sell your NS7 and buy 2 ipads and a mixer to use as your primary rig for gigs?
yeahdef 4:22 PM - 21 April, 2010
some people are concerned how people perceive them, some people aren't.
it comes down to the mix and that's basically all i worry myself with.

pro-tip: dont give a shit what people think your rig looks like, rock the party.
MusicDan 4:38 PM - 21 April, 2010
Quote:
some people are concerned how people perceive them, some people aren't.
it comes down to the mix and that's basically all i worry myself with.

pro-tip: dont give a shit what people think your rig looks like, rock the party.



Some people are concerned how they are perceived...
www.serato.com
kraal 6:16 PM - 21 April, 2010
i actually think a dj with 2 ipads will get more gigs than a dj with a vci-300 when layman club owners are basing things on gear
KLH 8:10 PM - 21 April, 2010
Quote:
Would you sell your NS7 and buy 2 ipads and a mixer to use as your primary rig for gigs?

Never.

-KLH
kraal 8:22 PM - 21 April, 2010
Quote:
I wasn't talking about how someone would be perceived djing with ipads. let me ask a different question. Would you sell your NS7 and buy 2 ipads and a mixer to use as your primary rig for gigs?

that question really isn't a tell all answer cause that is just like asking someone would the sell their mini van to drive a dirt bike.

there are people who want/need a mini van and people that want/need a dirt bike

so the ns7 user (any any itch controller for that matter) is not the same user as the ipad dj
ontime1269 9:37 PM - 21 April, 2010
I agree and disagree with your dirt bike/mini van comparison. With a mini van you can travel anywhere on public roads and highways. With the typical dirt bike, you are limited to trails and neighborhood streets. With 2 ipads and a mixer, technically, you can do the same you can with a NS7. You could rock a party.......right? The audience wouldn't know the difference.

Both a mini van and a dirt bike can get you from point A to point B. One is a serious transportation vehicle and the other is basically a toy. A NS7 is a professional piece of equipment, and the 2 ipad + mixer set-up is a toy set-up.
Ragman 11:57 PM - 21 April, 2010
To anyone who thinks:

1.) You can use any type of equipment and rock a party.
2.) The audience don't know the difference regardless of what you use.

You are dead wrong. People are more knowledgeable then you give them credit. If the DJ is not a creative type DJ, basically just a jukebox DJ, then yes the audience want notice because he's not doing anything worth remembering. But if you show up at a gig with a rig suited for a particular way you perform and that allows you to be creative, and you put on a great show that's unique, I think the crowd will notice if you come back the next week and all you have is a dualie. People will ask you what gives dood, why aren't you rockin' it like you did last weekend. There's a reason why we invest in gear with features. It allows us to be more creative, more unique and thus more different.
kraal 12:09 AM - 22 April, 2010
ragman seriously you are mixing the point.... one dj showing up with random gear is not the same as dj a uses turntables and dj b uses a laptop.

and in my own gig i have come with a total control, or a vci-300, or turntables and no one asked what gives
kraal 12:12 AM - 22 April, 2010
ontime you are not seeing what i am saying.... basically i own a honda accord. I DON"T WANT A MOTORCYCLE so to ask if i would sell my honda to get a motorcycle the answer would be no but that doesn't not belittle the motorcycle like people are trying to use the 'would you sell your ns7?' to belittle the ipad
ontime1269 12:22 AM - 22 April, 2010
I don't feel like I belittled the ipad. I did refer to the 2 ipad and mixer set-up as a Fisher Price set-up. In my opinion, the ipad is not a professional piece of equipment meant for DJ work. That is why I posed the question earlier, asking, would anyone seriously use an ipad set-up for a gig.
kraal 12:29 AM - 22 April, 2010
that is why i officially back out of any of these 'proffessional gear ' conversations...who determines... that is just such backward thinking. Until DJ's stop judging based on person prejudice the industry will never grow.
i leave you with this :again gear means nothing
Watchwww.youtube.com
KLH 1:04 AM - 22 April, 2010
Quote:
To anyone who thinks:

1.) You can use any type of equipment and rock a party.
2.) The audience don't know the difference regardless of what you use.

You are dead wrong.

By your own logic, people would only notice IF your performance changed - which I agree. The point is simply that IF the crowd is rocked, they won't care how. IF the crowd ISN'T rocked, then they'll pick apart the DJ and his/her equipment and nothing will be good enough.

Skills matter more than the equipment. At the end of the day, the DJ's an entertainer that needs to rely on his/her skills. While tools matter, they matter less than the skills.

Ragman, that's why you bought the V7s and the Innofader from just having CDJ 800s - to get your skills up to handle ANYTHING - TTs, CDJs, controllers, even iPads! Of course, if you disagree, I'd be happy to take those V7s...

-KLH
Ragman 1:12 AM - 22 April, 2010
I think my point more then anything is that you can't make a blank statement that "it doesn't matter what equipment you use to rock a party" cause it's a situational type thing. , For an experienced mobile DJ this may hold more truer as he typically deals with a different crowd every time he does a gig. But a club or performance DJ this is not necessarily true. These guys performance is based on certain type of setup. kraal this was not aimed at you just responding to sub-statements within other posts.
KLH 1:16 AM - 22 April, 2010
^ It's aimed at me and we will have to agree to disagree.

-KLH
Ragman 1:17 AM - 22 April, 2010
Quote:
...Ragman, that's why you bought the V7s and the Innofader from just having CDJ 800s - to get your skills up to handle ANYTHING - TTs, CDJs, controllers, even iPads! Of course, if you disagree, I'd be happy to take those V7s...

-KLH


I''ll keep the V7s but you can come over to the lab and spin on them. <smile>
kraal 1:19 AM - 22 April, 2010
Quote:
These guys performance is based on certain type of setup. .

this is another example of we are all actually saying the same thing :)

what i am saying is put jazzyjeff on techs, ean golden on vci-100 and bad boy bill on cdj's and you get a quality show respectively. so it doesn't matter what gear a dj learns on or brings if they have skills on said equipment
Ragman 2:17 AM - 22 April, 2010
If it's not a rotating platter that I can manipulate, my interest is not there.
DJ Fez 6:45 AM - 22 April, 2010
interesting thread, and i dont really want to get involved......but think how hard it would be to mess around with those fake touch screen knobs after you have had a few drinks at the club.
WarpNote 6:47 AM - 22 April, 2010
More fuel to the fire.... www.skratchworx.com
MusicDan 12:15 PM - 22 April, 2010
Quote:
BACK ON TOPIC!

Ladies and gentlemen, start your microwaves! It's the iPad DJ:

Watchwww.youtube.com

-KLH


Been there, done that.

Thanks KLH
KLH 3:44 PM - 22 April, 2010
Quote:
Been there, done that.

Well then kraal needs his microwave back then... JK!

-KLH
kraal 3:50 PM - 22 April, 2010
:)
djcerla 2:05 PM - 24 April, 2010
Ausus EEE Android tablet to be launched in July: $500 after a carrier's subsidy (it means a 2 years contract): www.engadget.com

this underlines very well how "magically" Apple managed to keep the iPad entry point at $499 (with no contracts), while keeping a healthy margin. Tough times for competitors.

300.000 Asus EEE pads expected for 2010 (the iPad sold 300k on first day)
djcerla 11:35 AM - 30 April, 2010
BOOM! HP cancels the Slate, disses Intel chips as too power-hungry, disses Microsoft Windows 7, goes back to drawing board aquiring Palm to build their own iPad copycat OS. techcrunch.com

KA-BOOM! Microsoft cancels the Courier vaporware project. www.engadget.com

iPad competitors are vanishing even before their release :-)
MusicDan 7:58 PM - 30 April, 2010
I here Queen in the background!!!
MusicDan 7:59 PM - 30 April, 2010
oops!

I hear Queen in the Background!!!

Damn Serato and their no editing policy
Cid K 8:45 PM - 30 April, 2010
Lolol i thnk am hearing the same track hahahahaha :-P

We Are the Champion my friendddd endddddd!
djcerla 9:23 PM - 30 April, 2010
Sounds more like AOBTD to me....
MusicDan 2:57 AM - 1 May, 2010
Quote:
Sounds more like AOBTD to me....


That's the one!
jonDough 7:26 AM - 1 May, 2010
Quote:
BOOM! HP cancels the Slate, disses Intel chips as too power-hungry, disses Microsoft Windows 7, goes back to drawing board aquiring Palm to build their own iPad copycat OS. techcrunch.com

KA-BOOM! Microsoft cancels the Courier vaporware project. www.engadget.com

iPad competitors are vanishing even before their release :-)


Actually HP just bought Palm, would make sense for them to make a tablet with webOS now.
jonDough 7:29 AM - 1 May, 2010
This is the problem with a closed system -> www.engadget.com

They dictate what you can use your internet connection for. What good is an unlimited plan if they aren't letting you use it?
Ragman 9:36 AM - 1 May, 2010
I don't think this has anything to do with open/closed system. Nothing's being dictated by apple or at&t. The limitation is coming from the app. It works over the internet, just not 3g compatible at this time. Which means it's up to the app owner to update it. Or am I missing something.
WarpNote 10:04 AM - 1 May, 2010
You're probably missing the fact that all apps needs to be approved by apple before entering the app-store... ?
czar 3:56 PM - 1 May, 2010
www.wired.com

Posted by: MitchMcBride | 04/30/10 | 1:02 pm |
Get fucked, Apple.
Posted by: dan1101 | 04/30/10 | 1:15 pm |
Shame. That’s what happens when you rent music.
Posted by: moonunitt53 | 04/30/10 | 1:23 pm |
This is like being monogamous.. .kill me
Posted by: jckatz | 04/30/10 | 1:27 pm |
“Today’s news, while unfortunate for Lala users, represents good news for iTunes users”
The only good news for iTune users would be iTunes stopped installing a new version of Quicktime every time it updated.
Posted by: Mizar | 04/30/10 | 1:28 pm |
Nobody should be surprised by this development. Apple has an increasingly consistent track record of restricting and even preventing their customers’ use of the ‘products’ they’ve paid for. Bear this in mind before gushing about cloud services, where even the location of the ‘product’ you’re paying for is controlled by the vendor. What’s next–disabling early-generation iPhones and iPads once Apple decides it’s time to siphon off your wallet again?
Posted by: wanderAround | 04/30/10 | 2:51 pm |
If Apple is setting up a web-based iTunes, why would they piss every Lala user off by shutting it down first? Why not make a nice transition? Me thinks they did this to eliminate a competitor.
Posted by: amann94 | 04/30/10 | 3:16 pm |
Besides the fact that Lala was the only place where you could legally stream virtually any song/album once, they sold MP3 albums for significantly less than ITunes - usually for $7.49 versus the usual $9.99. Seems to me that they were just looking to kill the competition.
Posted by: tripsdada | 04/30/10 | 3:28 pm |
Yet another reason to avoid the overbearing, manipulative, over-priced world of Apple.
Posted by: phexus | 04/30/10 | 3:44 pm |
This pisses me off so damn much.. LaLa was the best music website ever.. It was so easy and fun to discover new music on that site. The social part of it was great too. I had over 1,000 songs I added.. How bout just give me my f’n money back instead of issuing me Itunes credit.. F Itunes and F Apple.


Read More www.wired.com
kraal 4:09 PM - 1 May, 2010
big deal if the SOLD it in the first place that means it was going to close down.... just like RAVE motion pictures purchased showcase theaters. They no long accept certain member cards but heck showcase was going to fold anyways so they still wouldn't be able to use those cards
czar 4:18 PM - 1 May, 2010
You might have a point Kraal. Everything comes to light sooner or later anyways. :)

But here take a look. =)

Watchwww.youtube.com
czar 4:25 PM - 1 May, 2010
Quote:
big deal if the SOLD it in the first place that means it was going to close down....


not necessarily. See if you come and offer me say %50 more of what my company is worth I might sell too. I can always invent something else later or retire. :)

Why would Apple buy a company set to fail? Being nice guy? I dont think so..

I think they closed it because it was offering 10 Cent songs and iTunes wants to go Cloud just like LaLa so iTunes couldn't compete hence why Apple bought it, closed it and will be opening iTunes Cloud on LaLa's Infrastructure.
kraal 4:26 PM - 1 May, 2010
when talking about iphone 'killers' i look at the droid as iphone alternative....just like i have a achos704 that i used more than i ever used an ipod. there is a big market out there room for many units.
kraal 4:29 PM - 1 May, 2010
Quote:


Why would Apple buy a company set to fail? Being nice guy? I dont think so..


because apples has better resouces and can make it work... same with why RAVE purchased SHOWCASE CINEMA's Showcase was failing but RAVE knew how to make it work.... same with CHRYSTLER and FIAT ect ect same with HOLLYWOOD CASINO's purchasing AGRGOSY CASINO's
czar 4:29 PM - 1 May, 2010
about lala. I will give brownie point to Apple if it keeps streaming at 10 cents..

SERIOUSLY>
czar 4:32 PM - 1 May, 2010
Google's music search service, Google Music, had partnered with Lala, as well as MySpace and a variety of music labels, to let users search for millions of songs via the Google search engine. When the user entered a song or album title or artist, Google Music offered up links with audio previews from those partners. While not presenting a direct challenge to Apple's iTunes, Google Music's model suggested the beginnings of a streaming audio service that, with a few more tweaks or additions, could have become the kernel of a robust alternative.
kraal 4:38 PM - 1 May, 2010
funny think is i never heard of it till you mentioned it here
Ragman 5:16 PM - 1 May, 2010
Quote:
You're probably missing the fact that all apps needs to be approved by apple before entering the app-store... ?

I didn't read the article clearly. I got it now.
kraal 5:49 PM - 1 May, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
You're probably missing the fact that all apps needs to be approved by apple before entering the app-store... ?

I didn't read the article clearly. I got it now.

which i like better than a bunch off crap apps with no standards being released
czar 6:04 PM - 1 May, 2010
Quote:
funny think is i never heard of it till you mentioned it here


well if iTunes went Cloud then LaLa would have had the chance to become very popular too once people found a price difference that makes it worth looking twice.

Google did try to buy Lala too:

side note..

a lot of iphone apps ARE "crap"!

The good thing about monitoring is that you ensure that anything that will be installed on the device wont conflict with its functionality hence making the device appear superior due to no conflicts caused by software.

I for once prefer the risk of conflict from a more open platform like Android or Win Mobile because of more configuration options and giving the chance to a broader scope to create apps. Look at what is happening with Apple Vs Adobe now. Screw Apple!
czar 6:05 PM - 1 May, 2010
to dissipate risk I can use trusted web sites that review apps so I need not Big Brother "Apple" monitoring anything for me. Thank you very much.
WarpNote 8:02 PM - 1 May, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
You're probably missing the fact that all apps needs to be approved by apple before entering the app-store... ?

I didn't read the article clearly. I got it now.

which i like better than a bunch off crap apps with no standards being released


Don't get me wrong, quality control is a good thing, but make no mistake,
Apple does also have the power to stop applications they don't like them.

If an application outdoes one of Apple's own, they have habbit of killing it off in some way.

Im no Apple hater (Own several Apple products, and will probably get the pad when generation 2 comes out) but it is a known fact.
kraal 8:12 PM - 1 May, 2010
Quote:


The good thing about monitoring is that you ensure that anything that will be installed on the device wont conflict with its functionality hence making the device appear superior due to no conflicts caused by software.


that is what i meant by crap just dont feel like typing that much
kraal 8:59 PM - 1 May, 2010
Quote:
. Look at what is happening with Apple Vs Adobe now. Screw Apple!

what exactly are you referring to here? Apple and adobe actually work together on lots of things... many photoshop features are available on apple before any other platform.

oh i guess you are talking about flash. well flash is a slow and flash killed itself in this market.I mean google and microsoft also have abandoned it so dont blame apple
casket hands 12:21 AM - 2 May, 2010
the iPad will do really smooth blends which will be really good for DJing.
Watchwww.youtube.com
czar 1:11 AM - 2 May, 2010
Quote:
the iPad will do really smooth blends which will be really good for DJing.
Watchwww.youtube.com



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An0nymousHelper will this void the warranty?
Subdriven 2:24 PM - 2 May, 2010
Quote:
the iPad will do really smooth blends which will be really good for DJing.
Watchwww.youtube.com javascript:void(0);



One thing I have to say is the screen wasy still working AFTER he almost busted it in half. You still see the keyboard through the broken glass and the ipad already bent!
Ragman 5:54 PM - 2 May, 2010
yeh i notice that.
djcerla 2:35 PM - 3 May, 2010
1.000.000 iPads sold to date, according to Apple. It took jst 28 days to accomplish the goal (original iPhone 74 days).

And well before the international launch.

Huge hit, as I predicted.
kraal 2:38 PM - 3 May, 2010
Quote:


Huge hit, as I predicted.

but honestly it was not that hard of a prediction
djcerla 3:23 PM - 3 May, 2010
Many predicted an... iFlop. Even on this very topic.
kraal 3:27 PM - 3 May, 2010
Quote:
Many predicted an... iFlop. Even on this very topic.

true but many people based their 'prediction' with no knowledge of market trends needs and wants.
czar 3:56 PM - 3 May, 2010
it still sucks.

Iphone OS 4 might give it some new things but having to plug the thing and connect to itunes to transfer anything is just ludicrous.

" Why? Because when you’re locked in, you get the Internet their way. It’s the opposite of free. Being told what you can see, what you can buy, and all the things you can not do – somehow, that just seems so 1984."

"We built a platform based on two established, well-known technologies, Android and Linux, meaning that software developers can dream up apps for anything you may want to do with your WePad (and even some things you might never have dreamed possible yourself). It’s quick and simple – and needless to say, any app that already exists for Android also runs on the WePad. Right out of the box."


Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

lol wepad.mobi
kraal 4:01 PM - 3 May, 2010
Quote:
it still sucks.


see sucks would make since only if the closed architecture made it not function-able.... so saying sucks actually belittles your opinion. a better aproach would be 'adding this or that' will make it better. just cause it doesn't have certain features doesnt mean the features it does have suck
Ragman 4:10 PM - 3 May, 2010
I hear your argument czar but 1m sold in less then a month, you gotta admit is pretty dam good. Apparently 1 million people thinks it's a good unit.
czar 4:34 PM - 3 May, 2010
again, back to the crack cocaine comparison.
czar 4:36 PM - 3 May, 2010
MusicDan 4:37 PM - 3 May, 2010
Quote:
again, back to the crack cocaine comparison.


You say it like it's a bad thing...
czar 4:37 PM - 3 May, 2010
MusicDan 4:43 PM - 3 May, 2010
You love posting videos. Here's one...

Watchwww.youtube.com
czar 4:46 PM - 3 May, 2010
pee wee hahaha
MusicDan 4:47 PM - 3 May, 2010
"Don't even try it"

But then the Yo Gabba Gabba song pops in my head, "if you try it, you'll like it..."

I don't know what to do!!!

LOL!!!
czar 4:48 PM - 3 May, 2010
damn man im only licing so little and there's so much to do :(
czar 4:48 PM - 3 May, 2010
living*
djcerla 4:11 PM - 4 May, 2010
iPad as a Traktor control surface Watchwww.youtube.com!

Things start to really warm up for iPad DJing (but the biggest news is not out yet ;)
czar 4:50 PM - 4 May, 2010
u can use an iphone as a controller doh
djcerla 4:55 PM - 4 May, 2010
you "can" doesn't mean that you "would"
czar 4:57 PM - 4 May, 2010
exactly not because the pad can i would
czar 4:58 PM - 4 May, 2010
obviously u would. I "wouldn't"
djcerla 2:33 PM - 5 May, 2010
After HP's and Microsoft's tablet collapse, the third "iPad killer" has been killed and sent back to drawing board: RIM's www.thestreet.com

In 2011 it will "compare favorably" with 2010's iPad.

Too bad it will have to "compare favorably" with the 2011 version: an impossible task.
czar 5:22 PM - 5 May, 2010
news.cnet.com

after reading this you "might" understand market better,, "might" it all depends on you
czar 5:24 PM - 5 May, 2010
djcerla 5:38 PM - 5 May, 2010
The HP slate has definitely been killed, and sent back to drawing board. It will sport the leaner WebOS instead of Windows, as I predicted correctly in previous posts.
djcerla 2:49 PM - 6 May, 2010
iPad already DESTROYING netbook market:

tech.fortune.cnn.com

it's over.
djcerla 3:04 PM - 6 May, 2010
iPad Doing to the Netbook What the Netbook Did to The Laptop:

digitaldaily.allthingsd.com

Sweet taste of "I told ya" :-)
djcerla 10:30 PM - 6 May, 2010
posted by I1Kirm:

Quote:
Quote:
You were actually WRONG because the preorders figure included the 3G version orders that are not factored in the official 300k sales figure.

Which according to the same sources were less that 25,000. I stick to my original post.


Here we go with some juicy iCal:

Over 1 million iPads sold in just 28 days www.apple.com

Apple stores completely sold out of iPad 3G, furnish waiting lists: www.appleinsider.com

Sweet! :-)
czar 11:04 PM - 8 May, 2010
marcA 8:57 AM - 9 May, 2010
lol???
Subdriven 3:04 PM - 9 May, 2010
Did the video get pulled?
MusicDan 9:20 PM - 9 May, 2010
What is supposed to be funny at 3;30 czar? Or am I just a simple Mac user and that is why I don't get whatever inside joke that is?
Cid K 3:44 AM - 10 May, 2010
honestly i didnt get it either... Probably another waste of time Courtesy if mister CZR
Ragman 5:41 AM - 10 May, 2010
??? [Queue The Crickets]
casket hands 12:03 AM - 11 May, 2010
for cerla
www.npd.com
Quote:
Android Shakes Up U.S. Smartphone Market
First quarter 2010 information from The NPD Group's Mobile Phone Track reveals a shift in the smartphone market, as Android OS edged out Apple's OS for the number-two position behind RIM.
PORT WASHINGTON, NEW YORK, MAY 10, 2010 - The Android operating system (OS) continued to shake up the U.S. mobile phone market in the first quarter (Q1) of 2010, moving past Apple to take the number-two position among smartphone operating systems, according to The NPD Group, a leading market research company. NPD’s wireless market research reveals that based on unit sales to consumers last quarter the Android operating system moved into second position at 28 percent behind RIM’s OS (36 percent) and ahead of Apple’s OS (21 percent).
djcerla 12:13 AM - 11 May, 2010
too bad Android is about 0% in all the rest of the world :D macdailynews.com

also, Apple is still tied with just ONE mobile operator in the US; and last, iPhone sales are seasonal as nobody in his right mind would buy a 3 gen iPhone just days before the 4 gen release (something that doesn't happen to Android messed-up plethora of incompatible, just-bought-already-outdated phones).
djcerla 12:25 AM - 11 May, 2010
PS: from the same NPD article:

Quote:
"In order to compete with the iPhone, Verizon Wireless has expanded its buy-one-get-one offer beyond RIM devices to now include all of their smartphones."


Buy one, get 2. That's how they've managed to ship more units: giving them away for free.
NO DJ 5:30 AM - 14 May, 2010
So here we go guys, what do you think. I teamed up with an amazing software engineer and made an app for the ipad! This is NOT touch OSC! The Idea was to make a touch midi controller that you can actually use well in a live set. What we ended up with was full control of 2.0 and all its features! You can actually play a whole set, never touch the computer, or even the decks! Full control in internal mode. Ill never give up vinyl, but for some gigs Its nice to bring less sh!t. Don't mind the graphics, were just working on the functionality at this point.

So check it out, tell me what you think. Ill be adding lots more footage over the next few weeks.
Watchwww.youtube.com
kraal 5:35 AM - 14 May, 2010
no dj nice
czar 10:50 AM - 14 May, 2010
hahahaha and people were saying Itch didn't need to get any more functions because it would bring clutter to the interface. lmao

some are so excited about this touch screen. hmmm

what different is it from using VDJ and a mouse?
czar 10:53 AM - 14 May, 2010
or what if I we use VDJ on a tablet pc?
djcerla 11:21 AM - 14 May, 2010
Cool... this is the best way to implement the long awaited sampler in ITCH, too.
kraal 4:17 PM - 14 May, 2010
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hahahaha and people were saying Itch didn't need to get any more functions because it would bring clutter to the interface. lmao

some are so excited about this touch screen. hmmm

what different is it from using VDJ and a mouse?

well for one it is nore like a controller than a mouse cause it is just a button press. not a move the mouse or fumble with the track pad. 2 it is a seperate interface so it isnt all clutter together
kraal 4:17 PM - 14 May, 2010
Quote:
Cool... this is the best way to implement the long awaited sampler in ITCH, too.

bepending on your definition of 'SAMPLING' :)
czar 7:43 PM - 14 May, 2010
yes and no Kraal. we can get samplers way cheaper than the ipad and you can actually feel what you touch. as far as having two screens I think you are thinking too hard..

If I get VDJ on a touch screen or too.. "doable" we would be doing the same thing that is represented on the video.
kraal 7:50 PM - 14 May, 2010
Quote:
yes and no Kraal. we can get samplers way cheaper than the ipad a.

we are closer to the same side of the argueement than you think czar ;)
KLH 8:17 PM - 14 May, 2010
I just can't help adding to a 686 message thread.

IMHO, the iPad's strengths are in this order:

1. Large (or at least large-enough) screen
2. Support of multi-touch
3. Processor and graphics chips that give an impression of being "faster" than the iPhone/iPod Touch
4. Internet capable
5. Being portable (enough)

Those things have fueled the interest in the iPad thus far. What I find interesting is that there isn't a killer app for the iPad yet. As of right now, it's a sexy thin netbook that offers nearly the same flexibility without the complexity.

There's nothing that the iPad can run that netbooks or laptops can't run better - so far. What's making the iPad popular (IMHO) is pure sex appeal and elitism... and there's nothing wrong with that.

Getting to the DJ context, what I don't see the iPad doing is obsoleting the DJing paradigm. In other words, the iPad won't REPLACE the key components of the traditional setup; it will simply augment them. The iPad can be a deck, a controller, or even an effect unit (eventually).

What I do NOT see the iPad replacing is a mixer or being a professional-grade all-in-one DJ setup. Sure, it'll have apps that will obsolete the PaceMaker, but no one will gig with ONLY the iPad - or even two or three of them - in the next three years.

DJ Cerla, I appreciate your optimism, but I, myself, am not a believer that the iPad is capable of being the setup that Jesus would use...

-KLH
kraal 8:20 PM - 14 May, 2010
KLH i totally agree that is why i dont agree with the term 'THE SOLUTION' when in actuality it is just "AN OPTION'
KLH 8:24 PM - 14 May, 2010
Man, I would LOVE to be wrong, but I'm just not seeing it. And DJ Cerla, I'm certainly not wanting to dim your optimism. If I'm wrong, Kraal will buy you dinner.

-KLH
Ragman 9:16 PM - 14 May, 2010
Guys I think when 4.0 comes out you will start to see some awesome DJ apps for iPad. The iPad will be like the Swiss army knife for DJs. Yes, if you only buy it for one app like a sampler then that makes no sense money wise. But this will end up being so much more down the line.
djcerla 9:30 PM - 14 May, 2010
Hi KLH

you totally twisted my words, as I've never said that the iPad will be a complete DJ platform

what I say, and I'm putting my money where my mouth is developing my own app, is that the iPad makes for a perfect sampler/effects control, just like the SSL video showed.
KLH 12:12 AM - 15 May, 2010
Quote:
you totally twisted my words, as I've never said that the iPad will be a complete DJ platform

Actually, I wasn't referring to any one thing that you've said. Don't feel attacked. I just felt the need to share my opinion... because after anyone reads 686 messages, I'm sure that they'd want to know what I think, right?

-KLH
Kmxorbit 6:47 AM - 15 May, 2010
Quote:
because after anyone reads 686 messages, I'm sure that they'd want to know what I think, right?

-KLH

Right! ^^
ontime1269 7:43 AM - 16 May, 2010
I was looking around on the HTC website for info on the HTC EVO phone that I pre-ordered today. I stumbled across this article on their site. WHOA!!!

www.htc.com
kraal 7:49 AM - 16 May, 2010
a stupid lawsuit with no merit.....
Ragman 8:40 AM - 16 May, 2010
So it was filed May 12th but it's not even worthy of mainstream news. Hmmmm!
djcerla 4:12 PM - 16 May, 2010
It's a counter-lawsuit agains a lawsuit by Apple.
Ragman 6:58 PM - 16 May, 2010
Ohhh, ok they didn't mention that part. lol
kraal 7:24 PM - 16 May, 2010
czar 7:43 PM - 16 May, 2010
same peple pushing the ipad.. ex,..delboy
czar 7:45 PM - 16 May, 2010
czar 7:48 PM - 16 May, 2010
czar 7:54 PM - 16 May, 2010
czar 7:55 PM - 16 May, 2010
ok ok i'll stop now :) friends! happy Sunday!
kraal 8:07 PM - 16 May, 2010
Quote:
so here..

Watchwww.youtube.com

so what i have had shure needles give me issues in a live set. that doesnt mean turntable needles are not going to work for djing
yeahdef 3:53 PM - 18 May, 2010
here's a comprehensive review of the best iPad djing apps.
Sonorasaurus Rex is really the only club-worthy one currently.

yeahdef.com

take a look!
djcerla 2:34 PM - 20 May, 2010
Shocker: Apple already selling more iPad than Macs, approaching iPhone sales: as many as 200.000 per week, as international launch looms: digitaldaily.allthingsd.com
djcerla 2:36 PM - 20 May, 2010
iFlop my balls ;-)

soon another round of iPad-bashers bashing with gorgeous and conspicuous quoting of old posts ;-)
KLH 9:30 PM - 20 May, 2010
For those with one, what's the killer app?

-KLH
djcerla 9:33 PM - 20 May, 2010
Quote:
what's the killer app?


The DJ sampler that I'm writing right now :-)
kraal 9:59 PM - 20 May, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
what's the killer app?


The DJ sampler that I'm writing right now :-)

waiting on it man :)
czar 11:22 PM - 20 May, 2010
yeap the US is full of idiot no doubt about that. its not new
kraal 11:27 PM - 20 May, 2010
^^ yup ;)
djcerla 11:34 PM - 20 May, 2010
Quote:
yeap the US is full of idiot no doubt about that. its not new


Agreed. Proof being that some Americans are still buying inferior netbooks and Kindles despite the iPad revolution :)
Cid K 11:49 PM - 20 May, 2010
BAM in da face! mouahahahah nice one C!
Subdriven 12:04 AM - 21 May, 2010
Most people have no idea what is atualy good, they are only told and believe what they here on TV. If there is a hype people will spend money on it. Just likehe hype over silly bands for kids.. It's a rubber band in the shape of a object that you pay a ton for.. It's still a rubberband and people will fight over packs of them... If you use one and it fits your purpose then buy one.. but don't say it's all that and your only info is what you read on the internet.. I could right that a dog turd is a great toy for kids on a bunch of pages and I bet someone out there will go get one for there kid.....
Subdriven 12:05 AM - 21 May, 2010
If you advertise it.... they will buy... no matter what....
czar 12:28 AM - 21 May, 2010
inferior can ur crappad do photoshop!? NO!
czar 12:28 AM - 21 May, 2010
I just saw an inferior 300 dollar netbook of yours doing photoshop on the train..

see some people actually want to work during train time. ur crappad cant.
czar 12:33 AM - 21 May, 2010
Steve Handjobbs hahahaha
czar 1:16 AM - 21 May, 2010
czar 1:25 AM - 21 May, 2010
czar 1:34 AM - 21 May, 2010
czar 1:39 AM - 21 May, 2010
"well they make you look cool in Starbucks when you drink your Frapuchino...
Techno fashion accessory.. that is the new market Steve J. has discovered.

We are looking at this from the wrong perspective it has nothing to do with working with computers or telecommunications...
it's about lifestyle and fashion and associating with the Apple community.... of smiling happy people.. "

I know someone like that...
Subdriven 2:06 AM - 21 May, 2010
well put! There are many ways to get a job done... apple people like to do the "In" way and not care or know if there is a better way..
czar 2:10 AM - 21 May, 2010
read the wiki article.
djcerla 8:32 AM - 21 May, 2010
Aaaaah! Fresh food for future iPad-bashers clowning! :) Sweet
KLH 8:08 PM - 21 May, 2010
What's that over there?

gizmodo.com

Nothing, I guess. Nevermind.

-KLH
KLH 4:04 PM - 26 May, 2010
Looks like you have a kindred spirit, Cerla: Gizmo at Skratchworx!

www.skratchworx.com

-KLH
czar 4:20 PM - 26 May, 2010
congrats! we had celebrity "dj's" that know crap about technique, now we will have ipad celebrity dj's too!

good job!

the ipad makes SL look like VDJ. good job!
djcerla 5:34 PM - 26 May, 2010
Quote:
Looks like you have a kindred spirit, Cerla: Gizmo at Skratchworx!


iPad will be the single device with the biggest impact on DJing after the SL1200; this was immediately clear to me.

Now, more and more people, including the well-respected Gizmo, are coming to the same conclusion; and the "big", killer iPad DJ apps are not even out yet.
djcerla 5:46 PM - 26 May, 2010
iPad production hits a whopping 2.500.000 a MONTH: www.9to5mac.com

78 (!) percent of consumers who were struggling with the decision to buy an iPad or a Netbook are going for the iPad: www.9to5mac.com

Take your seat: revolution has begun.
maestromind 7:59 PM - 26 May, 2010
BTW APPL just passed MSFT in market cap...
djcerla 10:12 PM - 26 May, 2010
Quote:
BTW APPL just passed MSFT in market cap...


... like a racing car: it's now worth 4 BILLION dollars more.
czar 10:36 PM - 26 May, 2010
yawn
djcerla 10:53 PM - 26 May, 2010
Oddly enough, Apple-related topics are crowded by Apple-haters, while normally you won't spot any Apple fanboy in PC related topics.

Not so odd, actually, as they feel the world they know and love is imploding and feel the urge to bash what they perceive as a threat. Basic psychology.
kraal 10:56 PM - 26 May, 2010
Quote:
Oddly enough, Apple-related topics are crowded by Apple-haters, while normally you won't spot any Apple fanboy in PC related topics.

Not so odd, actually, as they feel the world they know and love is imploding and feel the urge to bash what they perceive as a threat. Basic psychology.

aka hater-ade
czar 11:36 PM - 26 May, 2010
yeap just like cerla going into help threads and saying "buy a mac"
czar 11:36 PM - 26 May, 2010
oddly enough
czar 11:37 PM - 26 May, 2010
oops
czar 11:37 PM - 26 May, 2010
but seriously all I want right now is an iVagi.... nvm..
KLH 1:26 AM - 27 May, 2010
... and another thread takes a dangerous left turn...

-KLH
djcerla 8:25 AM - 27 May, 2010
BTW my iPad just landed this morning! one day in advance www.facebook.com
djcerla 2:26 PM - 27 May, 2010
Testing the iPad sound.

The sound quality seems adequate for club playback; unfortunately, at least on my European unit, the output level seems very low, artificially tamed (we have a EU law on this), using iTunes and other apps... too low IMHO.
djcerla 2:40 PM - 27 May, 2010
More sound testing... it's about 10 db quieter than the V7... (!)

However, when levels are equalled, the iPad compares very favorably to the V7 (which sounds great); I think in a blind test it could be very difficult to tell what's one and what's the other.

Now, let's hope someone releases for iPad the same iPhone utility that unlocks the volume to 0db.
djcerla 3:03 PM - 27 May, 2010
Done some reserch: It will be matter of changing/removing the file RegionalVolumeLimits.plist.

More in the next days... BTW this is a EU-only problem, you guys in the US and elsewhere are enjoying a gorious 0db iPad output :(
yeahdef 3:12 PM - 27 May, 2010
US iPad owner here - mine still feels a little quiet (compared to the v7 piped through my djm800) - can you link to a tutorial on removing that volume limit preferences file, or is my US pad already the loudest it will get?
djcerla 3:15 PM - 27 May, 2010
There is no iPad tutorial yet I'm afraid :(

Google "remove volume cap iphone" just for reference
MusicDan 9:30 PM - 27 May, 2010
Quote:
... and another thread takes a dangerous left turn...

-KLH


Time to press the "Stop Tracking this Discussion" button. :-(
Subdriven 1:02 AM - 28 May, 2010
there is one of those?
Subdriven 1:07 AM - 28 May, 2010
never mind.. found it.. lol
czar 1:31 AM - 28 May, 2010
Subdriven 1:58 AM - 28 May, 2010
Dude.. that thing is bad ass.. !! Great for what is ment to do!
kraal 2:03 AM - 28 May, 2010
Quote:
Dude.. that thing is bad ass.. !! Great for what is ment to do!

it's not developed and all the images of it are mock-ups so you really cant say it is bad ass and great for what it is... cause right now it is just a drawing on a piece of paper
Cid K 2:05 AM - 28 May, 2010
Yup!
Subdriven 2:05 AM - 28 May, 2010
Ok.. the idea and the fact about what they are trying to do is bad ass.. I'm not trying to say this a peice of equip I need for my studio..
Cid K 2:08 AM - 28 May, 2010
Yeah i have to admit it's nice what they are trying to build... Not sure if it will actually make it to consumers hands.
Subdriven 2:09 AM - 28 May, 2010
If it makes it to kids that need it then I'm fine with it.. :)

OR we can just send them a i=pad... lol
kraal 2:17 AM - 28 May, 2010
if you read between the lines an know the track record they are know to make promises they cant quite live up to
djcerla 10:50 AM - 28 May, 2010
Vaporware.
I1Kirm 11:47 AM - 28 May, 2010
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if you read between the lines an know the track record they are know to make promises they cant quite live up to

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Vaporware.


[sarcasm]
Yeah, this is exactly what happened with their first "vaporware" project
[/sarcasm]

wiki.laptop.org
wiki.laptop.org

This is what happens when people only think as consumers, isolated from the rest of the world....

Back to silence mode
djcerla 12:39 PM - 28 May, 2010
Vaporware until it's actually shipping, obviously.

BTW mate, looks like your iPad predictions were greatly off the mark.... 25.000 iPad 3G... lol :) Apple will likely announce over 3 millions iPads sold on June, 7th.
czar 1:43 PM - 28 May, 2010
omg man u have issues.
czar 1:49 PM - 28 May, 2010
djcerla 2:09 PM - 28 May, 2010
Someone settles for "montages". Others enjoy a real, shipping product. In masses:

Munich, germany: Watchwww.youtube.com

Frankfurt, Germany: Watchwww.youtube.com

Tokio: Watchwww.youtube.com

London, UK: www.blogcdn.com

Toronto, Canada: www.blogcdn.com
djcerla 2:18 PM - 28 May, 2010
Milano, Italy: www.ipadevice.com
czar 2:24 PM - 28 May, 2010
hahhahaha idiots
czar 2:24 PM - 28 May, 2010
ego boosting clows
czar 2:30 PM - 28 May, 2010
czar 2:35 PM - 28 May, 2010
lmao wait i take everything i just said back. what are u trying to show exactly by posting those videos? thats the question. sorry to have criticized those people. they are just that people.
djcerla 2:38 PM - 28 May, 2010
Genius, all is left after ALL of your "smart" iPad predictions proved WRONG is insult and off-topic links :)

This is the iPad topic, and I'm posting iPad launch videos, the only things out of place here are your off-topic links.
czar 2:43 PM - 28 May, 2010
hahahaha predictions? i didnt predict anything.,
kraal 4:22 PM - 28 May, 2010
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lmao wait i take everything i just said back. what are u trying to show exactly by posting those videos? thats the question. sorry to have criticized those people. they are just that people.

yeah and you need to re read a lot of your post and consider that... you have indirectly called lots of people on this board and idiot or some other name.
djcerla 6:56 PM - 28 May, 2010
iPad first impressions

The most striking thing about this device is BATTERY LIFE. After 45 of usage, it was still at 100%; now after 6+ hours is 73%. This is quite shocking.

Second thing: speed. The iPad is blazingly fast in all common tasks. You have to try it to understand what I mean.

Apps: the iPhone apps run great, actually I'm enjoying many of them for the first time (i.e. an adventure). Native apps are gorgeous but too expensive. DJ apps are not really there yet; I don't like any of the available ones.

Sound quality: very good! but my European version is severely limited in volume; not happy about this, a software fix is needed.

Keyboard: despite what I've read, the virtual keybord is very, very usable, especially in portrait mode. I'm typing FAST. Deactivate auto-correction, at least if you write in multiple languages, and activate caps lock.

Ergonomy: a bit heavy IMHO. But it "feels" great in the hands. Ideal position: on the couch, or on the table (newspaper reading this morning has been perfect)

Browser: I have suffered the lack of Flash one time, in the cyberdog online store. You still need a normal computer, at least in this early HTML5 days. Safari works great, though, it's a totally new, amazing browsing experience.

Stability: rock solid so far. Everything works flawlessly.

People's reaction: I was at the restaurant, reading the iPad version of Wired. Well, it's been like dining with Lady Gaga, with no less than 6 strangers coming to ask for informations (that I was very happy to give until my pizza was served). A superstar is born! :)
djcerla 6:56 PM - 28 May, 2010
PS written on my iPad
Cid K 7:07 PM - 28 May, 2010
Sweeet review Cerla :-D

thanks for the inputs
djcerla 12:50 PM - 31 May, 2010
OVER 2 millions iPads sold in under 60 days: bloodbath.

CUPERTINO, Calif., May 31./ Apple® today announced that iPad™ sales have topped two million in less than 60 days since its launch on April 3. Apple began shipping iPad in Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Spain, Switzerland and the UK this past weekend. iPad will be available in nine more countries in July and additional countries later this year.

"Customers around the world are experiencing the magic of iPad, and seem to be loving it as much as we do," said Steve Jobs, Apple's CEO. "We appreciate their patience, and are working hard to build enough iPads for everyone."
djcerla 12:51 PM - 31 May, 2010
They're on track for my 3 millions prediction by June, 7th.
czar 4:20 AM - 1 June, 2010
I just read 4.5 million by who knows when lol

Apple I think is doing well thanks to bragging about the spyware and other things (Mac commercials) and is keeping the system locked by screening all the available apps through the Apple selling channels.
wadup 4:15 PM - 1 June, 2010
all sold out around the tri state area ny nj ct... have to wait two wks for next shipment
KLH 6:55 PM - 1 June, 2010
I can't believe that there are more posts in this thread than the Mac vc PC thread.

-KLH
kraal 7:14 PM - 3 June, 2010
ht.ly
well now things get all about money
MusicDan 9:05 PM - 3 June, 2010
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I can't believe that there are more posts in this thread than the Mac vc PC thread.

-KLH


That's cause Macs won that battle!!!

The only ones left are the Windoze guys trying to fight a loosing battle.
Cid K 9:23 PM - 3 June, 2010
Amen!
czar 9:52 PM - 3 June, 2010
Quote:
Quote:
I can't believe that there are more posts in this thread than the Mac vc PC thread.

-KLH


That's cause Macs won that battle!!!

The only ones left are the Windoze guys trying to fight a loosing battle.



funny, it was you who posted the last 3 or 4 lines. amen my behind
MusicDan 4:38 AM - 4 June, 2010
You are right about that! But not about anything else. Ha Ha!!!
kraal 3:02 AM - 24 June, 2010
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Apple Sells Three Million iPads in 80 Days: www.apple.com
Definitely, this thing has no future.

still depends on who is buying it ... i mean quite a few mr coffees are sold a year but doesn't mean its the next thing for dj's
djcerla 7:23 AM - 24 June, 2010
"sales of iPad are good, not great. They will only sell 25.000 iPad 3Gs" (ITCH forum user)

Apple sells 1 iPad every 2.45 seconds as international launch is just halfway.
NO DJ 5:14 PM - 7 July, 2010
MIDI Deck for Serato is Free until July 10th!
Look up MIDI Deck in the iTunes Store
No need for osculator
casket hands 1:16 AM - 9 July, 2010
this will excite cerla www.engadget.com
Cid K 12:59 PM - 9 July, 2010
We will start to see top notch DJ App's in a wee bit!
yeahdef 3:47 PM - 9 July, 2010
while i agree that itunes media access is a good thing, it doesnt really change anything about the quality of the apps. many dj apps have had media sharing with itunes, just not integrated fully into the ipod files. it doesnt really mean we will see higher quality scratching and/or more intuitive dj apps. it's merely a minor change to the workflow.
casket hands 6:08 PM - 9 July, 2010
agreed, I think the serious apps will use midi anyway.
yeahdef 6:28 PM - 9 July, 2010
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agreed, I think the serious apps will use midi anyway.


actually - im getting a much better feel from either the timecode apps (flare, tonetable) used with a serato box or using internal-only mixing apps like Cue Play DJ, Traxpad, and Sonorasaurus Rex with an external mixer.

The MIDI apps won't be worth anything to me other than bedroom use until we can connect over USB instead of WIFI for controlling. I will never trust WIFI in club use. too many things can go wrong - especially if it's not your router. MIDI DECK for ipad is trying to get there by using their own listening app - but its not the real deal - I need a hard cable to trust my connection, not a wifi signal.
KLH 1:55 AM - 14 July, 2010
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agreed, I think the serious apps will use midi anyway.

MIDI is good enough for general use, but not for audio manipulation (like TT platters) - thus ITCH's secret weapon: High Speed MIDI for the NS7, V7, and VCI-300 platters.

... and where is HD-MIDI (aka MIDI 2.0) anyway?

-KLH
djcerla 8:21 PM - 11 October, 2010
RESURRECTED! :D

just to report that the iPad is the top selling tech gadget EVER (!) with an estimated 8.5 millions sold so far since launch.

www.informationweek.com

... and someone from this forum predicted "iFlop" or "they'll sold 25.000 iPad 3Gs" :D
djcerla 8:23 PM - 11 October, 2010
*sell
djcerla 11:08 AM - 5 November, 2010
www.djtechtools.com

OS 4.2 finally bringing full MIDI support to iPad... this will likely translate into juicy apps for DJs... to be run on a juicier iPad2 due next quarter :)
maestromind 10:08 PM - 5 November, 2010
Yeah I'm feeling that, and the Numark iDJ app looks awesome for trying out mix ideas on the go, once it supports iTunes integration in 4.2. recombu.com
DJ G_Rad 11:15 PM - 5 November, 2010
DJ Hohme is already using his Ipad during his sets....

www.welcomehohme.com
Lenny Cordisco 10:40 AM - 6 November, 2010
Virtual Pioneers CDJ2000's would be great. two ipads are alot cheaper than 1 CDJ2000
djcerla 12:54 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Virtual Pioneers CDJ2000's would be great. two ipads are alot cheaper than 1 CDJ2000


4.2 will also bring full access to the iTunes library; expect many DJ players to be out soon.
kraal 3:49 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Virtual Pioneers CDJ2000's would be great. two ipads are alot cheaper than 1 CDJ2000


4.2 will also bring full access to the iTunes library; expect many DJ players to be out soon.

technacally good however something i would never use
djcerla 5:05 PM - 6 November, 2010
I use Bebot sometimes for sweeps/siren-like sounds... It sounds great and people go nuts.
kraal 6:20 PM - 6 November, 2010
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I use Bebot sometimes for sweeps/siren-like sounds... It sounds great and people go nuts.

right thats why i say technically cool i just dont like touch screens
djcerla 3:42 PM - 17 November, 2010
and here we go... Algoriddim introduces djay for iPad: Watchwww.youtube.com
dj ask 5:10 PM - 17 November, 2010
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jjswain420
43 minutes ago

I just threw up in my mouth a little bit