ipad is not going to be more than a color kindle i am afraid :(

Steve Jobs: "Best thing I've ever made"... hardly a color kindle :-)

that quote doesnt mean anything

iCal'd

giant iphone with a less gimped OS probs.

It's gonna be geared towards education (think color textbooks/videos) so the color kindle comment isn't too far off, although it will really be a very powerful and large iPod touch. Steve Jobs wants to do to the rest of "old media" (newspapers, mags, textbooks, TV, etc.) what he did to music with iTunes/iPod.
He already has some very prominent old media moguls committed to provided content, but I doubt it will be able to really rock the house with color eInk on the way as a much cheaper textbook replacement (and netbook tablets for all your app/video/web needs).
Also, djcerla pretty much everything you've described can be done with just the iPhone - in fact there are existing apps out there that let you send MIDI signals over wifi to your computer. The tablet will just provide more real estate.

Just like the iPhone is geared towards making phone calls.

isn't it announced as the iSlate?
and why does every new thing has to be called 'i'...
trademarking will no doubt be a reason but seriously...

oh so they didnt go with the 'iGotmoremoneythansense' name?

"i" stands for consumer level product.

Sense, Apple has a lot, they've just announced record revenues, record income, record Mac and iPhone sales (+100%).

Amazingly, they now have enough cash in bank ($40 billions, debt-free) to buy Dell by the pennies (or build a small atomic arsenal in-house, but as a shareholder I wouldn't agree on that option :)

seriously?
a Job(s) well done :)

this is worth a read: macdailynews.com

nice :)
i can only say 1 thing and i'm saying it a long time now: the non apple hardware isn't profitable anylonger cause it is to cheap!, and hence to many compromises has to be made on quality...
an usb external disk of 1TB costs retail 65 euro's... this is insane, no real profit can be made with those prices.
so at the end it is proven that being cheap doesn't garantuee a damn thing..
i respect apple for their way of doing business at a profitable level, i wish dell / hp and all those others out there would do the same, we would get better products in the end...
do they have to make 40% net revenue?, i guess not, but for such companies they should target at least a margin that enables them to innovate (and that is what apple is able to do at this point, they have the cash to experiment without the need to market immediatly)...
oh well...

@ marcA

yep... on the same revenue as Dell ($51B), Apple earns almost 10x ($11B vs $1.5B). Almost science fiction in today's soft economy.

Apple it's a very, vey well run company.

(4 hrs 45 minutes to go)

too bad its just a bigger version of the iphone and wont run itch. i was hoping to get a gooseneck holder for this thing and run itch on it.

do you have one? no, so better not speculate on features until 6 PM.

BTW iPhone OS is Mac OSX, so it could run ITCH with just a few tweaks to adapt the input from keyboard to touch, for example.

you're dreaming cerla - i highly doubt we'll be seeing itch on iPhone OS, ever.

and no, I don't have one - but almost all the rumor mills are stating its a iphone device with a big screen whose main backers are novel and textbook manufacturers / distributors.

but yeah - i guess we'll all know in about an hour.

sentence iCal'd for future conspicuous quoting :-)

I only tell you that if I was in Serato I would jump ***immediately*** on the tablet bandwagon, for a number of very good reasons including the buzz generated by such a move.

BTW if anyone wants to watch the liveblog of the unveiling, Engadget is pretty good at that: www.engadget.com

I'm actually 3 blocks away from Yerba Buena where they're doing it, but unfortunately can't skip work - otherwise I'd bring some flight cases to the back entrance and say "oh yeah, I'm the DJ" (hey, there's like a 1% chance that might have worked).

I'm watching this live.twit.tv

also: 30.media.tumblr.com :D

Steve is out!

hit the link above and there is a live audiostream

iPad!

www.yeahdef.com

definitely going to wait on this one but I could see myself enjoying it. I'll wait until the third version when they fix all the problems.

This is going definitely to be a DJ device... even an all in one DJ app with vinyl-like touch controls would be killer... expect the first ones to come SOON!

hope ur right cerla.
not going to craigslist the vci or ns7 yet tho lol.

Not at all.

But for a beginner, a $9.99 DJ app would look better than a $299 controller.

Or, as a very portable backup system for us professionals.

great more itunes dj's :)

many more! :D

$499

fantastic price point, too!

I told you not to speak too soon :-)

$499

i am sure you are thinking of something like this

www.jazzmutant.com

No, more like a spinning vinyl interface with touch mixer.

wow www.blogcdn.com

www.blogcdn.com

"We've always tried to be at the intersection of technology and liberal arts -- we want to make the best tech, but have them be intuitive. It's the combination of these two things that have let us make the iPad."

www.blogcdn.com

Very excited about this iPad folks.

Really it's just seems to me like a larger ipod touch. Nothing new nothing revolutionary. What if I want to skype someone. No camera. Even the lowest price netbooks have a camera.

Price is ok but not exactly going to blow the competition away.

What competition?

Well it's $499 for a very base model. Even my iPhone is filled up at 16GB with just music and a few small apps. Assuming you would want all that and more emails, docs, and movies 32GB seems like the bare minimum. When you add 3G that comes out to $829 + $30/month for service. Hardly a bargain IMO (and I love Apple products). I will say that watching the tape on AAPL vs. AMZN during the event was very amusing, however.

iPad = iFail

Just a bigger iPod Touch, with nothing new to offer.

From Yahoo Finance: "Apple lifts the NASDAQ". This is going to sell like hotcakes.

Plus you still have to sync with a fecking cable why not bluetooth or wifi?.

Competition wise. Ok nothing like this yet but there were loads being displayed @ CES so they are coming. I love apple but they let me down on this by a very large margin.

Does have Bluetooth and WIfi, in fact even 3G options

I think its kind of a cool device but nothing reveloutionary as they mention, especially since it only has 10hours battery life. I have a Kindle and even with 3G on it lasts a week.

the battery life simply kills it for me, its not a complete failure.......but because of the lemmings like society we are in I think it will sell very well just because Apple makes it.........and by the way I love Apple products so I am certainly not hating on them

I wouldn't trust Yahoo Finance as an authoritative source. AAPL is only up 0.8% (roughly same amount as the NASDAQ).

I like it, and I think they have another winner. However I can envision the next version being significantly better.

i will personally be buyin one... then maybe i can use those handy midi apps with multi layer pads to swipe through fro efx,loops,cues, ect.. once someone designs such an app of course... hehe

@ DJ Beware. I meant why can it not sync through bluetooth & wifi why do I have to plug it into my mac which could be in another room. It's not a massive problem but they could of added this at least. Same with the camera as well. If it did those I would get one unfortunately I'll miss this one out for the moment.

Bridge may be near... but it's not even on the horizon. If what you are saying is true, then why can't we already do this stuff on our iPhones or Touch's?? It is the exact same OS, and the exact same features. There is literally NOTHING new in the iPad. It is as bare bones as you can get... only 64 gigs of memory?? Really? I expected the minimum to be 64, with like 300gb available. I think I am one of many who are not impressed.

Now with this I agree with but they need to improve the DJ apps quick to make it worth while. If they do then I'll get one

2001: the iPod? Nothing new! The iRiver is much better. Expensive, it will flop. Apple is doomed.

2007: the iPhone? Nothing new! The LG Prada is more stilish. Going to bury Apple.

2008: the iPad? Nothing new! The Amazon Kindle has better battery life. No camera, only 64 GB, a sure flop, will crush Apple.

*2010 :)

your quotes are made - up

face it the Ipad is not and never will be a dj tool.... this post needs to be moved to general discussion ... it has NOTHING to do with ITCH or djing......

Seems like you don't follow the stock markets much.

AAPL is the typical "buy-the-rumour sell-the-news" kind of stock. Frankly, I was expecting a 3-5% drop (not only me, but most analysts Jim Cramer included).

The stock will swing in the next days, but granted this +0.8% is a very bullish signal for AAPL watchers.

it will be a DJ tool as soon as 15 days after the launch.

lol cerla just give it up.
this was a bad decision from apple just like the macbook air.
i love most of their products but the company is not infallible.

The Macbook Air was a niche product selling for $1799.

The iPad is a mass market product appealing to a wide demography, selling for $499.

The fact that you compare the two things shows beyond any doubt a total lack of knowledge of this industry.

If I wanted a netbook I would get one except I don't.

hahahaha ok cerla.
cant wait till half a month after the launch when we have all those revolutionary dj apps ur talking about.
blindly following the hype b/c you own stock - i understand.

ill just keep my dell netbook hackintosh ($200), which already runs itch perfectly.

Cerla... you are the type of person that Steve Jobs loves. A sucker.

Why are u guys talking without knowing the product... is obvious that some people would be interested in this product, especially if is a 500 bucks apple machine. Maybe you feel you don't need it until u see someone using it to the fullest.

Was not that impressed by it. It's basically a giant ipod touch. The same limitations of the iphone/itouch seem to exists here ie. no multitasking, limited filesystem access, no flash, restricted API/SDK. It's limiting itself by living in the same walled garden as the iphone.....

Maybe I'll grab a google version in a couple years.

It's def got some shortcomings, however that doesn't mean it's flop. It's a nicely priced product that put's them on a good path with this type of next-level technology. I can see all kinda of potential here, but like anything else, it's got to start somewhere. If you took time to listen to the video on Apples site you would have heard them say that they decided to go with a bottom up approach, meaning more goodies to come.

You guys know you want to try this........LOL
www.djforums.com

this is the kind of stuff that will flood in very quickly after the release (the SDK is already available for developers).

@ dejabede

having a different opinion doesn't give you the right to personally offend; I have reported your post.

Another question is if this will even run any DJ Apps realtime as it uses a custom 1GHz processor (I don't think it will). I'd imagine playing a song and then loading another in itch that hasn't been scanned already would give you pops and clicks not to mention adding effects processing on top of that.

Let me repeat what I stated above "If you took time to listen to the video on Apples site you would have heard them say that they decided to go with a bottom up approach, meaning more goodies to come." and also meaning this is not the final, end-all for this product. This is just a basic starting point for them. Be patient and use your imagination for now. Apple is not a stupid company.

I'm buying one... Just for meetings, showing videos, pictures and contracts to my clients on a 1.5 lb super light product, and ebooks alone, $500 is so worth it... I will probably be getting the 32gb version with 3g.

People use your imagination, that's the only way to raise above the competition (wink)

@DJ Xio, my question is what do you use today to do those things and why did that way all of a sudden become obsolete?

i am with dj xio with this it is perfect for my design clients ect..... not great for djing but for showing art ect

It hasn't... For example, I own a 17" Macbook Pro that weights close to 7lbs... I meet with clients all over the place, and sometimes it requires long walks.

1. Convenience
2. Portability
3. Practicality

That's on one end...

On the other... I love to read books, and my laptop just quiet doesn't cut it for that.
This is just 10 times more portable and obviously better suited for many more tasks than my iphone's 3G screen.

i also will get it for the books and magazines

Let's not forget... It will be a great ice breaker for clients in meetings... at least for the first few months, probably longer....

Agreed on your first points, I am not sold on it as an ebook reader mainly b/c of what looks to be a glossy lcd screen which would be terrible for reading (glare and eye fatigue).

It's the equivalent of being on the computer on a glossy laptop for 2 / 3 hours... does it really fatigue your eyes?

as a side note, this is a killer game machine, compatible with all the iPhone/iPod Touch games out of the box, not to mention the new titles that will take full advantage of the new chip and bigger screen.

the $499 price point is within the reach of teenagers, and you don't need GPS nor 3G to play games on a gorgeous 9.7" screen.

I'm a developer so I look at a screen for 10+ hours a day so I'm not really the best person to answer that question. My gf is a serious ebook reader (has a kindle and nook) and reads about 5-10 ebooks a week and I don't think she could do that in front of a computer screen.

Considering most people that work 9 to 5 jobs face a computer 8 hours a day... I don't see a problem with our current screen technology!

Just like the MacBooks I can see them having this glossy screen and anti-glare screen version that's a few dollars more.

I'm not going to argue that the tech is not good enough, but for ebooks I think eink is vastly superior. Especially when you look at the ages of your avg ebook buyer.

@ kraal

good news for you

the iPad uses a IPS screen:

"Because of its wide viewing angle and accurate color reproduction (with almost no off-angle color shift), IPS is widely employed in high-end monitors aimed at professional graphic artists"

Let's not forget you get a lot of value for your money.
Let's break it down like this.

Kindle $300
PSP $200
Ipod $200
Portable DVD Player $150

You can merge all of these for $499 figuratively speaking!

I would also rather use this a million more times than a kindle, for the color features alone.

another thing that a kindle can't do is to drive an external monitor via dock connector... nice feature.

With the 150,000+ APPs for the iphone.. The usability of this device is endless!

140.000+

according to Engadget:

That's Engadget (which I frequent), they are known to be apple lovers ;).

according to Gizmodo:

but for what they do you cannot deny that apple has some of the best gagets

Agreed, Apple does have some of the best gadgets (also they pretty much own the industry in showing how a user interface should look/work).

yup apple has always been good to me :)

Yeah, I'll be buying one solely as a good Kindle. Right now, my iPhone is a better Kindle reader than the actual Kindle -- the pad will destroy it.

1GHz Apple A4 custom-designed, high-performance, low-power system-on-a-chip

its a nice concept, :) but I have priorities, which is why I think that by the time people can afford this devices as companion devices there will be other companies offering them. The great thing about this is that viruses are no issue on these kind of devices because the memory can be flash memory. :)

It cannot display Flash driven internet sites?
No USB connectivity?
No memory expandibility?
No HDMI?
huh?

Bummer...

Well my day job is trading a $200 million hedge fund, and I had great returns in both 2008 and 2009, but hey you consider Jim Cramer a reputable analyst.
BTW - what you wrote had no relevance to your original post about AAPL pushing NASDAQ up.

Oh and before this gets any more out of hand let me just say that I have enormous respect for Cerla when it comes to DJing, so I hope there are no hard feelings.

not even a built-in earphone connetion? and they claim it can be used as an iphone/ipod? strange...

@ maestromind

I've "included" Jim Cramer despite the fact he's more a TV clown kind than other, because he has some influence as far as I know.



no hard feelings mate! but I know this stock (and only this stock) very well, as it served me like a mega-ATM in the last 5 years.

@kmxorbit

USB connectivity via dock adapter, earphone connection built-in, Flash... never felt the need of Flash when browsing on the iPhone.

nice article: "missing things" on the iPad: www.wired.com

you're right. Found the specs and an earphone jack should be present.

The lack of flash is a real bummer... loads of internet sites will not load properly or show great gaps. try to surf to beatport with your iphone. you know what i mean then....

beatport? prepare for a Beatport App.

This would be a great MIDI controller. I know there's an App for that.

Seriously, HTML 5 will soon provide much better, more CPU-efficient tools for rich Web contents.

There are "missing" features, but it's typical Apple ("missing" floppy-disc drive on the PowerMac, "missing" FM tuner on the iPod, "missing" keyboard on the iPhone, just to name three).

The only thing I personally feel "missing" in this iPad is a front-facing camera for video chat. I like this product a lot, and the developers will complete the picture.

I'm with you Cerla.... I see the potential of the product. Not just for what it offers but all of the possibilities.

Heck, who would've thought that you can use an iphone as a midi controller?

I feel u man!!!

I'm pretty sure Apple are pushing hard away from Flash technology, it's all fairly political. There was a great history of the web article floating about a few months back describing how various companies have swayed web development by simply ignoring or not supporting various web features, and even breaking away form their agreed to 'standards'.... so with this in mind, you may see a massive loss of Flash content (designers and programmers of the world rejoice) as more and more people get iPod Touches, iPhones and iPads...

iPad looks amazing for what it is. People thinking of it as a flat touchscreen laptop won't be happy - but it is what it is. Think how much it would cost to put a Macbook Pro in a iPad enclosure! Ouch....

:D

@ Matt-c

A Serato standalone DJ software sold with 2 outputs audio interface (master out + PFL) would be amazing... the perfect entry-level point for the Serato world (build your library, then get ITCH/SSL when your needs grow)

FX, sampler, library... everything tabbed in gorgeous 9.7" GUIs. Wow.

I think Korg should jump on it with a kaos pad-like app...multi-touch X-Y pad. I won't be getting one though. Don't see the need and i'm pretty sure 2.0 will be much much better. Have to save up for Iphone 4.0 lol...

It would take a line audio input for this... the iPad only has a microphone.

I'd rather see X-Y FX manipulation in native DJ apps, or a X-Y MIDI control app for Traktor/Ableton Live... or the STFX app (Serato Touch Effects).

Or a XY efx pad for the NSFX....that would be HOOTTTT!!!

Hells yah...it's just a matter of time.

not too sure about this... what I know is that many, many applications will be released in native format.

If it's the file system what you're looking for, there will obviously be one.

just so cerla can say I told you so

forums.macrumors.com

I can do all this since 3 or 4 years ago with an Ipaq. Much smaller and portable. Some people just like smaller useful stuff. If it folded and was thin as paper then yes I would see it's revolutionary qualities but it has no camera, and can u use it as a phone to call via Bluetooth? if it can do all a macbook can and has teh same powerful processor then yes im sold because it replaces the macbook but does it? All the info that I have found so far points to a device to use with Itunes Ibooks and I like apple hehe :)

quote from jobs "its very thin, and its just great to browse the internet with ur fingers"

some people will be happy with the iphone they already have sorry.

oh yes I forgot to mention also from Jobs mouth "you can change background images also, and put your own picture as background if you want" lol come on.

Watchwww.youtube.com

Wow, that was pretty dam funny... :-)

i read it can't multi thread
so no background processing...
i guess that is a no go for itch like apps...

It can multithread, of course. As the iPhone, it doesn't allow for multitasking yet, but what it has to do with ITCH?

@ casket hands

Exactly. interestingly enough, the comments on the iPod mimic those we're reading these days from "tech geeks". Big disappointment it was... until it eventually changed the music business and Apple's destiny.

Also interesting, and what most of the pundits totally overlook, is that device is aimed squarely to people that don't use much computers because it's "too complicated": a huge, uncharted market.

This thing you're laughing on today, will have a very deep impact on personal computing and entertainment, just like the once laughed iPod had on music.

sorry, bad English this morning :)

referring to multithread...i presume itch is heavily multithreaded...
anyway without direct usb you need an intermediate connector which adds to the chance of failure...
would be nice though

[quoteAlso interesting, and what most of the pundits totally overlook, is that device is aimed squarely to people that don't use much computers because it's "too complicated": a huge, uncharted market.

This thing you're laughing on today, will have a very deep impact on personal computing and entertainment, just like the once laughed iPod had on music.
hmm i'm not so sure... i really don't think that anyone who really wants to use computers is scared by them...
and i see this ipad thing more as a crossover to something more flexibel and more integrated into the household...
or is this Avatar thing still playing in my head :)

hi marcA

the connector is... just a connector, not an hub :)

but more than ITCH, this tables is perfect for a DJ system with touch controls... we'll see many of these creeping out in the next 3 months... If I was in Serato, I'd seriously think about it as a "entry level" solution.

Also, on people "scared" by computers: I've wrote the sentence not because I've read an article on this on Reuters, but just because of the demographic kind of people who asked me infos on the tablet in these last 2 days, as the iPad appeared heavily on the Italian press.

Looks like "tech experts" struggle to find a hole in their digital lifestile for this "iThing", and dismiss it as a fail without further investigation, while less tech-educated people are amazed by the demos and are planning to buy one (including my gf, and my business partner for our club events, who is currently using an Acer netbook)

@djcerla,
no doubt this has a market, i'm 100% sure of that, otherwise apple wouldn't market it in the first place...
and since i don't expect that much of it i guess it only can become more appealing :)
and i only can say that here it ain't that big a hype, so probably it is conceived very differently across countries...

Here a nice collection of "IT Experts" predictions on the iPhone back in 2007, including Microsoft execs and CEO, Palm CEO, Computerworld, market analysts:

macdailynews.com

this one sounds amazingly similar to what some "IT Experts" are claiming now about the iPad:



Spot on, Mickey! :D

... and this one, too:

@cerla,
you are really deep into this aren't you :)
we have a saying here that goes as follow:
when the heart is full of something the mouth can't stop talking about it
:)

passion is great :)

Watchwww.youtube.com

Most of the people bashing it seem to be Mac folks who thought they were going to get a flat, thin, MacBook, or Apple haters.

Personally, I never thought it would be anything but a big version of the touch, so my expectations were pretty much met spot-on. I think they'll sell a ton of them. I'll probably buy a couple for me and my wife, and maybe give out the low-end $499 one as Xmas presents next year to my nieces and nephews. The fact it requires no data contract at all makes it a great gift.

images.encyclopediadramatica.com

ill stick with my nano

why are you so compelled to write about the iPad if it's true that you don't like it? after 4 University exams in Psychology, I have a pretty clear idea on the answer.

UPDATE: the iPad DOES Flash, indeed.

www.macrumors.com

shanzai.com

www.fujitsu.com

well i dont mean to challenge the credibility of someone who has complete FOUR! (wow!) psychology tests. i just posted that because i thought it was a funny stab at apple's tendency to shrink their product line over the life of the product, instead of enlarge it.

Technique chemically unstable, set to explode
foretold by the dead sea scrolls written in codes
so if your "message"(product) ain't sh**, fu** the "records" (products) you sold
cuz if you go platinum, it's got nothing to do with luck
it just means that a million people are stupid as fu**

Immortal Technique - Industrial Revolution

How do you figure? Why do you prefer the iPhone, for stricly reading, I can't see how you would prefer the iPhone for reading over the Kindle.......I as well have both.

I think the Ipad will not live up to apple's expectations. The sales will kind of be riding off the apple hype and unless they introduce game changing features and applications I don't see it doing anywhere near as well as the iphone or ipod. Both the ipod and iphone are devices that achieve a specific goal and satisfy a need. Ipod specialized in music, Iphone replaced your phone/mp3 player. Even the 1.0 Iphone had a big wow factor to it, as did the 1st generation ipod. This is nowhere near that level.

That being said I think if they bank on the education and e-book markets they will do well enough. The brushes app was probably the best demo and best implementation of the Ipad's features. universities can replace textbooks with Ipad e-books at cheaper prices (although that probably wont happen if the textbook ppl have anything to say about it)

people dont need great excuses to buy quality gadgets. this will do very very well.

re: Kindle

Well, you can start with low-lighting problems with the Kindle -- that's the biggest one for me. The Kindle physical design reminds me of my first Apple ][+ computer -- all that sexy beige plastic. The Kindle keyboard is wasted space IMO also.

The whole size issue I have with the Kindle is a push with the iPad, which is why it would rarely leave the house unless I was traveling.

Between my Kindle books (even though I don't own a Kindle) and Stanza, I've replaced about 300 paperbacks in my house and moved them to my iPhone -- and I no longer have to carry around an "emergency" book in my truck in case I get stuck somewhere for more than 3 minutes (after 3 minutes, if I have nothing to read, I'll start randomly shooting at strangers).

i think you just dont see the need yet. this is not a phone or mp3 player....comparing it to one is wrong.
i can see a household having 2 or 3 of these....dad reading his paper junior playing game sis watching cinderella... ect

the add school text books, business apps, store catalog .... i think it is game changing

@Briandrop

If you were reading a normal book low lighting would also be an issue, and in my opinion reading a device like the iPad or iPhone for an extend time might be bad for your eyes.

I guess the way I see it is I prefer the simplicity of the Kindle for ereading, I see it kind of how I compare ITCH and Virtual DJ. I own both products, but I much prefer the simplicity of ITCH, VDJ without a doubt has more bells and whistles (of course ITCH is being updated to have more bells and whistles), but for just straight DJing I much rather use ITCH :) I guess I view it the same way that I view reading I would much rather use the Kindle. For other stuff that a iPad can do I would rather use my laptop, or my iPhone, I just can't see how the iPad makes anything that much easiser. But I am not saying the iPad is a bad product, I guess with a specific pupose in mind like Kraal mentioned showing proofs to client its kind of cool but for comparing it to an ereader I just can't agree, battery life alone to me doesn't cut it. I take my Kindle when I travel and I don't charge it for over a week sometimes. I would see my self getting frustrated if I had an iPad having to charge it more often, especially since I already have a iPhone that can do all the things a iPad will potentially do......but at the end of the I probaly will still buy an iPad since I am a gadget freak.....

I think a lot of people don't have A CLUE what the iPad really is. It just goes to show how many people will buy ANY shiny new product with an apple on it.

I can't tell you how many people don't even know that it's running iPhone OS and NOT OSX. That Multitasking is OUT OF THE QUESTION and you will NEVER run Ableton or Serato on it. Flash (75% of ALL streaming video content online) is and always will be impossible! Why give you Flash when we want you to BUY that TV episode from the iTunes store?? Classic Apple. The iPad is NOT a tablet computer! This is where I feel they dropped the ball, big time!

It IS in fact a big IPOD Touch. Which isn't to say I'm slamming it. For those of you who mentioned it as a great touch screen OSC controller, your right. For $500 it makes a great controller, but beyond that... nothing special.

This surprises me. In a year where dozens of tablets running full blown Windows 7 are coming out, why release a big ipod?? If Apple put OSX on this, they would have killed the PC tablet market before it ever got started. I understand you want to milk every penny out of your customers, but come on!

i think you are missing what it is.... it is NOT a tablet PC it is something inbetween... apple is smart enough to know if you have a choice of the ipad and an ibook you would get they ibook if they were the same pound for pound.

it becomes more and more clearly to me that this device is a crossover :)
when sales will be good they'll upgrade that one with some goodies and gadgets to evolve in a true tablet laptop with some advanced features that will be truly innovative...i'm sure they already are cooking something...
i see true voice interpretation and moving the mouse by thought...
mark my words :)

iCal'd for future quoting, on both parts of the sentence.



This is pure Adobe hype: first off, YouTube translates in H264 when an iPhone OS device requests the video, second, the CPU-hungry, inefficient Flash will eventually become irrilevant as soon as HTML 5 will be adopted (this year).



Tablets with Windows have been one of the biggest flops in the tech industry since Gates claimed "will replace the laptop in 5 years" in 2001. The whole market for Windows tablets is about 3M units a year. Apple is seen selling about 6 to 9 millions iPads in 2010 (with limited international rolloff and only 9 months to go before end of year).

OS's like Windows or OSX are built on aging concepts, with desktop computers in mind; Chrome OS and iPad/iPhone OS are fresh approaches on the matter, and will take personal computing to a new paradigm of simplicity and user-friendliness.

The so called "Tech Experts" sometimes struggle to understand big sea changes like this, until they eventually see bazillions units sold.

Steve Jobs took 10 years, and many aborted designs to have a tablet computer that "fully satisfies" him; those that are dismissing the iPad on silly reasons like lack of Flash, without even trying to "get" the concept and figure out how people will interact with it and why they will want one, will have to eat their hat very soon.

You may not know that iPhone and iPad OS's are built on OSX, with a different GUI on top.

Lets be clear on the html5 video tag, the tag will be available but the codec may not be in your browser of choice. For instance, go try out youtube's html5 interface (it doesn't work in firefox).

some additional insights:



The last sentence is enlightening about what to expect from the iPad for us DJ's/musicians.

(source: Macrumors.com)

@DJ Beware
Yes, low-light is a problem with real books too -- which is why I like the iPhone as a reader even more. And the things that I really can't read on the iPhone (usually technical stuff, magazines, anything diagram-heavy) because of small screen space will look just fine on the iPad.

I'm not a Mac guy, so I never had a hard-on for a tablet MacBook, so I guess I'm not as filled with ragequit as many.

gizmodo.com

Stopped reading after point 1: complaining about the bezel that allows for the device to be held without touching the screen. Read what Mossberg says about the iPad, time better spent.

i'm old school, i like reading a real book, the books are just more than written words, nothing like the feeling of sitting on a couch, feeling the pages and reading a good book oh well you just gotta go with the flow. Just my opinion ;)

zaguama i used to think that with my art now i dont like drawing with out my mac and wacom tablet

Windows 7 on iPad: www.9to5mac.com

Very Funny, I must have missed that...

DJ TECHTOOLS blows it big.

www.djtechtools.com

Seems like the guys behind that (usually great) site have no clues on mobile devices, and, still, feel the need to jump on the iPad discussion bandwagon.

1) the iPad has no RAM

What? no RAM??? Mate, this is serious... even the iPhone has 256MB RAM; let's suppose the iPad has 512MB given the bigger screen. Wow I hope he wrote this after not sleeping for 2 days.

2) 1GHZ processor is not blazing but might be enough to play a few dj tracks (but nothing too complex like keylock)

What? no keylock? Mate I hope you are joking... on the much lesser iPhone 3G processor (not to mention the 3GS's) there are DJ apps that allow for mixing 2 tracks WITH keylock. Also, as every tech commenter has pointed out, the A4 IS actually blazingly fast, despite the 1GHz label.

3) no standard ports

Apple already offers a dock-to-USB adapter.

Go Cerla...Stand for your believes !!!!!!

the real good will come when the non-ATT cellular companies offer competitive wireless data for my netbook at $15 a month, which has a camera for SKYPE, and 3 USB ports that allow me to move pictures or music from flash, and a 10 hour battery, and a 10" screen, and a keyboard, 1.6 Ghz processor, 2Gig RAM, and 160 GB HD, and cost only $299. Funny thing is, I use that on vacation to manage my iPod.

I saw somebody mention it's for the people that don't like computers, but the fact is, even to use an iPOD you need a computer.

Maybe next year, when netbooks are running dual-cores, the iPad will offer something more. IMO it's a disaapointment, but it was nice to see companies like Leveno take the touch screen pad idea and run with in in a much more useful way and integrated.

Shame Apple didn't make a $1000 netbook instead with touch screen. To get anything usefull from the iPAD you need to spen $830 for a non-updatable appliance. Makes no sense.

www.dell.com

might be getting this and selling my hackintosh dell 10v

I have somewhat the same feeling. Nice pointing that out Chris. You say what I feel...

The iPay is not useful and will never be for mixing without a 2 channel audio interface. That simple.
Of course as a toy there might be apps for mixing visually in your car or so. But it's not made for the clubs and DJs.

The iPad is far better than a netbook, but only on it's key features for consumers: surfing the web, fotos, videos...

debatable....

A 4 channel audio interface is $30 nowadays. And just imagine a touch sampler... or Lemur software... this will soon turn into a full-fledged DJ multi-weapon.

It's interesting the only people complaining about the iPad are people in our type of industry (ie. intensive users). Where as the vast majority of people want basics (movies, web, pics, basic programs for professional use, business tools, and basic gaming).

The reason why PC tablets haven't taken off is because they suck with too many cut back bells and whistles and a poor integrated user experience.

Apple saw this and didn't walk into that trap. What everyone here wants is basically a Macbook but as a touchscreen tablet. Now imagine taking the Macbook price (more likely call it an Air) and then making that into a smaller enclosure with a touch screen.

Can you imagine the cost?!

So we get this model in between a touch and a macbook.
If you want more power get a macbook with a lemur until ARM processors are powerful enough for Apple to accept multitasking and able to be used with pro software.

Otherwise, this will change the way a lot of computing is done, it just won't change the music industry any more than the Touch has.

Multitasking? I personally have just ITCH opened in my DJ sets...

As far as power is concerned, check what can be squeezed out of an iPhone 3G (not even the more robust 3GS) Watchwww.youtube.com

mix, keylock, sampler, auto-normalize, EQ, filters, FX... needless to say that the A4 processor on the iPad will allow for much, much more.

Bottom line: Pro DJ software is 100% coming to the iPad, and soon, I just hope I will have the chance to buy the Serato app.

That's actually a really nice Windows Laptop, if I was not on a mac I would be all over it.

cerla I had the same for Ipaq... two channel blah blah blah.. my Ipaw has a 560mhz processor. =)

not exactly the same of course.. that is iphone app. but the same concept and wave display... =)

that app hads lots of nice features good video cerla =)

exactly... there is no need for CPU-hogs like USB high speed in-outs, so basically a native DJ app can be built on the iPad with FULL bells and whistles.

It's up to you if you want to DJ with iPhone/Touch DJ software or not in a performance environment.

I assume you don't want to use this as you are running ITCH however :-D

Things may change, but almost every pro audio commenter has announced there won't be much the iPad can offer the audio market that the iTouch/Phone already does for at least a year or more. Though hopefully things will change with new technology over he next year or two as these devices come up to speed (literally).

We're all wanting touch screen controllers! Which is why we're more than a little disappointed in some aspects of the iPad for music use.

Never said that. The iPhone screen is obviously too small for club use.

However, that iPhone 3G app shows beyond any doubt that a DJ app is possible even on the (much more powerful) iPad.

Heh - yeah, just razzing you...

But these kind of applications are like cut back programs on the PC or similar, they are cool, but they aren't going to replace professional grade software that have fairly high CPU and data streaming needs.

I think Matt-C doesn't want to be out of a job if the ipad delivers what some DJ's expect...LOL!!!

I'm just razzing you Matt...

cerla just wants to sell apple products =D

i am waiting on this rumor www.techcrunch.com

Haha - I would love the iPad to be able to offer professional software solutions!
:D

Apple make phenomenal products - the more they make the more R&D they can do to offer more products!

I highly doubt Apple will be working on a second tablet like device.
I do think however the iMac will be touchscreen sometime this year (22inch probably) and there may be a touchscreen laptop option too.
This will give Apple a wide array of solutions (including a quad core laptop) over the next several months. cerla will be a very happy (and wealthier) man indeed!
:D

unless.... ouch! lol

can we keep it at "might" maybe" and not "will" no one knows the future and saying that something will.. specially referring to a particular product, specially that has nothing to do with Serato (right?) could be taken offensively...

I think that a touch screen MBP would really be the way to go. I've used an IBM ThinkPad with a resistive screen that you can swivel around and fold on top of the keyboard so it becomes a tablet and it's really not a bad design, if a bit thick. If Apple improved on that with a 13" touch MBP (with a detachable keyboard, like the old Compaq T1000s) then we'd have a full-featured pro tablet Mac, and that is something I would love.
I also really hope they bring back handwriting recognition. Their recognition on the Newton is still one the best around. Actually if the iPad had that I would buy one in a heartbeat to take to meetings.

as an illustrator i am waiting for mac to mix the wacom drawing tablic with the imac :)

ezinearticles.com

are u sure u want more and more macs? Seriously. I hope that someone will be genius to destroy threats for once and for all. =)

block or avoid... whatever...

That would be awesome, I would definitely hope Apple does that as they'll do it right, instead of PC manufacturers who license Wacom technology, but more Bamboo-level instead of Intuos judging from the responsiveness of the tablets.

here is an intersting read
www.djtechtools.com

About 5 years ago,
I think when Wacom first brought out the the Cintiq (www.wacom.eu), my employer (National Broadcaster) let me try it out for 2 weeks to see If I wanted to change. (I'm a motion graphics designer/animator)

Sadly I was really disappointed, the ergonmy was no good, too flat for viewing, too angled for drawing, and it's even adjustable. Also my hand was always in the view, obstructing way of the menus/artwork. So I went back to the standard wacom, and it was a relief,

This video explains problems touch screens face: 10gui.com (posted somewhere before, I know...)

So, as everyone is saying, the iPad has potential as a secondary flashy touch controller.
I'm about to learn ableton, so I will have to consider what controller to get...

@WarpNote,

That 10gui video is amazing. The first time I've seen a realistic approach to desktop multi-touch interaction. Thanks a lot for sharing that!

Its got a touchscreen

i want one

Chances (and rumors) are that a new product named MacPad Pro, sporting bigger screens and a touch version of OSX, will be introduced by Apple in 2011.

A very logical move: iPad as a content consumption device, MacPad Pro as a content creation device, fitting nicely the Apple scheme. The 2001 Bill Gates prediction "in 5 years all portable computers will be tablets", once failed miserably given the clunky nature of Windows tablets, may reveal eventually true, with Apple setting the trend as usual.

Some (very insightful) reads about the iPad and some controversial decisions Apple has taken designing it:

MYTH 1: iPad needs Adobe Flash: www.roughlydrafted.com
MYTH 2: iPad is just a giant iPod Touch: www.roughlydrafted.com
MYTH 3: iPad was over-hyped by Apple and under-delivered: www.roughlydrafted.com

@ czar

I have no positions in AAPL at the moment.

lol u seem to have a marketing idea for anything "consumption/creation " haha with the "macpad pro" u would not need the ipad

"Apple throws out gold and everyone insists they must yawn before stooping to pick it up. The iPad isn’t just a big iPod touch; it’s a significant rethinking of a product category that melds the simple mobile interface created for the iPhone with a new layer of familiar conventions with the full sized sophistication of the Mac OS X desktop, pared to a multitouch user interface." www.roughlydrafted.com

WHAT???????????????

first of, MAC OS? am i missing something???

and what ??????????????'

"it’s a significant rethinking of a product" ????????????????????

seriously some people are just either not thinking or something...

putting a 9 by 7 touch screen and giving it properties to play music is rethinking of what?????????????? give me an i3 or i5 on a thing like that with 4 gigs of ram and 1 gb of video and then we talk. peace out

apple sells because they market shiny and smooth.... stop trying to make excuses

There's not much to laugh here. If you have no imagination stick happily to your Windows PC punishment and let people interested in this discussion alone.

You already came up with a totally off-topic link





keep believing this if it makes you feel comfortable.

typical switch subject and run... its 2010.... ;)

In my opinion, I'm not going to find a phone with an operating system as stable as the Iphone's. (Unless its just a simple mobile phone only made for calls)
Same goes for computers, nothing has even come close to OSX.

No Apple isnt perfect and yes you can do the same thing with a cheaper product but if you want reliability, and you can afford the extra $$ try apple. The look and feel is just a bonus.

such imagination... hahahahahhahahahahah

be real, scratch that ipad thing dont make more of it and just go for the good one in 11 months or so... something that will actually make sense and not become undesireable in 11 months.

besides it was you that gave a bias linked. I am merely bringing up my own questions about what I think is just bias commenting on the ipad and u prefer to talk about my link. =)

i have good points u just avoid meaningful conversation.

@snav are u cerla? =D JK!!

do u know the Ipaq? great device.. dont get me wrong I like all the iphone shiny apps, ipaq i will say is "different" <-- no pun intended with one of the first Apple commercial =)

the other windows mobile phones like HTC's have software bundled into windows mobile and those bundles are teh ones that take the devices power away... strip one off those and u will be as good as a happy person, without the shiny stuff but very useful device. (oh wait u can actually install iphone icons in windows mobile!) the link i can give it too. =) works like a charm too, I have it. im telling u I love the icons and shiny look!


but this is about the ipad right cerla?

seems like apple needs or just plainly wants money and decided to see who would buy it and bring some revenue... maybe cerla is calling asking for money everyday?

why make something that does all the iphone does just with a bulkier build harder to carry around????????????????????????? wait i got the answer too! or maybe not? "someone who cant decide if happiness is a new bulky product from apple or a small iphone in the back pocket? "

Dont get me wrong again!! I am an enthusiast I just tell it how I see it. and I would feel like a dumbass walking down the street with people looking at me thinking "he cant even make phone calls." but then again I have friends with priorities and who think being cool is being useful and that life goes beyond having the latest hyped up stuff rather having the latests most (useful) stuff.. ;)

and dont ever call me again on my imagination because I promise you i will bring back my link to my idea to add modules to the NS7 to control video as well as a new idea to also have modules to add xtra hardware control to the coming 4 decks on Itch. also for the NS7 Take note. =)

02/05/10
CZAR-

One year, many millions iPads sold, will enlighten you about this, but at that time you will be too busy bashing the next Apple big thing to remember these old iPad chatters.

thank life this thread is about the ipad...

it doesn't matter how many u sell, the product is what it is. you see money (from perhaps uninformed costumers), I see it for what it is. really bias advertising... "revolutionary"???? hmm because it is larger than the iphone?

in roughly a year when the real Apple revolution comes around other similar products would have hit shelf already?

Apple just wanted to say "look we made it first!" .. yea u made what first??? took the iphone made it larger? LOL

if everyone who owns shares like you buys a bunch each u could reach a pretty large number of units sold to falsy advertise i mean brag about. =) bias advertising selling doesn't really count. the regular consumer might not notice it but the thinking heads doh! i mean do.

I guess if millions are sold u will have a stack at home? or will u wait for the real deal?

www.msnbc.msn.com

@ czar

I'm wondering why you are wasting so much precious time of your life, hours that nobody will give you back, discussing about products that you DON'T like.

You can call the iPhone lots of things but stable ain't one of em. I would say mine drops a call, doesn't ring, doesn't receive texts and hangs and crashes probably a dozen times a day. Don't get me wrong, I like it, but my next phone will be an android.

Lets also not forget that apple is raising the prices of ebooks so they can get into the market. I wouldn't say that that is good for consumers.

Apple is not "raising the price of ebooks" at all; low prices are good for Apple.

But publishers are using the iPad as a way to get more money from Amazon, as as $9.99 they lose money compared to printed editions.

has more to do with your carrier than the actual phone... my iphone works flawlessly

Uh, what costs are there in making ebooks that would have them cost the same as a printed edition? There is no binding or shipping of anything physical so the price should be less.

About $15 is the publisher's average net on printed editions.

naw, its definitely the phone. I'm not mad, just saying, its not perfect.

if it crashes a dozen times a day you should contact Apple for a replacement.

My iPhone 3G crashed a couple of times in 1 and a half years, with the old OS.

Its not uncommon. most of my friends concur.

Given it's the cell phone with highest satisfaction score in the industry, it's not so common either.

businesscenter.jdpower.com

that still makes it seem more like an area carrier issue

I have a love/hate relationship with my iPhone, honestly. I hate the camera (the 3GS' auto focus definitely makes it a little better, but a lack of flash is inexcusable IMO) and I hate the fact that iTunes is probably one the least stable Apple apps - I've had plenty of issues syncing all the different devices I've had over the years.
On the other hand, I love the apps. There really is an app for just about anything, and the phone's capabilities are really stellar when pushed to the limits.

I should also add that as an actual phone the iPhone definitely drops calls more than average and the call quality ranges from OK to subpar.

It's probably a carrier issue

u mean the ONLY carrier?

yes but still that is an at&t issue not the phone

On the Italian Vodafone 3G network, no dropped calls, and perfect sound quality.
The problem with ATT is that they have the most taxed network in the world, given the huge number of iPhones they have to serve data to; in metropolitan areas the current bandwidth is simply not enough.

The next iPhone will likely be sold by other carriers including Verizon.

Walt Mossberg on the iPad:

Still I wish it could multi-task.

I'm on Rogers

That shit scares me haha the future will be something really dark for our kids, i dont have any but by the time i have which might be probably 5 years from now or more ipad will be old new who knows what might be the next gadget. Kids in the future wont know anything unless they have an ipad or whatever device exists with them for math, history, you name it. Ask them a question, oh sure gimme a sec let me google it on my ipad lolol, taking a test at school cheating haha, the way everything is going for education is encouraging us to use technology as our brain replacement, will miss our old days of cracking your head to memorize that shitty history examen.

i got little nephews that barely go out for playing xbox live all freaking day haha, kids dont even socialize in person nowadays just over a headset. "yeahhhhhhh i got tons of friends, i've never met them though they are on facebook" lol.

That type of sh^t is going on today with kids.

They used to say this when TV went out.

For me, this means less trees cut for making text books, less pollution, less stress on the back for children (books are heavy), and I could continue... :)

We could do counter points on this topic til' the cows come home.

and kids not going out and being anti social is not the fault of the xbox.... but i am going off on a tangent now

I used to carry my books I am fit, muscular, smart and outgoing. tree cutting is not bad as long as there is tree planting, , making new technological gadgets every quater doesn't pollute???????????????? i could keep going on.

iPad bashers slowly waking up from future-shock and start to "get" the iPad, they now "want one".

article from winsupersite (yes, not Macrumors! :) --> www.winsupersite.com

that's funny a couple of big time dj's that were on twitter dissin the ipad have both said now that i think about it i can use an ipad.

kraal..you are really fallowing people on twitter? you have too much time on your hands brother.... its sad...

seeing that my job is djing i and art i have just the same amount of time as anyone else. I follow people i respect and people i have done gigs with. Its all about respect and growing in your craft.

My girlfriend is happy with her Lenovo ThinkPad™, no need to hurry with the iPad.

lenovo thinkpad ?.....
as in windows? ....

OMG
:)

Just kidding, she is actually on my 2004 iBook.

PS: in other languages than English, iPad sounds just fine, iSlate was horrible

so did anyone see $75mil in 24 hours?
but what i want to say is my brother a computer programer (iphone and no ipad also) is developing midi controllers for the ipad as we speak

Yes... 120.000 preorders in 24hrs just in the US is not a bad start :)

"Apple has been able to generate over $75 million in revenue in one day on a product that 99.9% of purchasers haven't touched or for that matter, even seen in person," said Victor Castroll, an analyst with Valcent Financial Group. "And, we're still three weeks away. That is amazing."

Read between the lines to what he is really saying....

Not so many lines to read between here. They're going to outsell Windows tablets total annual production in 15 days or less.

WIndows tablets are not iPads. No logic in comparing them. It will make much more sense to compare iPad vs iPhone sells.

Windows tablets are computer tablets, iPad is a computer tablet.

Much logic in comparing them, whereas there's no logic in comparing a 10" computer tablet to a cell phone.

iPhone is a computer tablet as well then since iPad is actually a big iPhone

without a camera and a with a bigger screen

Just like a truck is a big car.

A truck is closer to a car than an boat (or plane). The point is that feature-wise iPad is closer to iPhone than Windows tablets because of the OS. If and when the iPad gets jailbreaked and people manage to run full OSX on it then it will be comparable to Windows tablets.

Meaning? Lol, this forum get more and more cryptic!

wait wait breakermixer... we'll eat a delicious, cold cup of "I told you so" (their sentences about "lacking features" and "just a big iPod touch" are all iCal'd for future conspicuous quoting&teasing), but let's wait for the official sales data and the proper iPad-mania to explode, let's say 6 months from now.

Revolutions are hard to digest for some.

You actually iCal this kind of stuff?

of course not... :)

it's a quote from MacDailyNews: they actually iCal this kind of product bashing, then after some bazillions units sold and competition crushed, they make very, very entertaining compilations of ugly wrong "predictions".

Luckily, all iPad ugly-wrong predictions in the ITCH forum are in this very thread, so the "compilation" is doable without actually iCal anything :)

Cool, so if the thread is deleted somehow you won't have a clue about Nostradamus DJ's (satanic laughter)

I would keep an eye on Google..

besides innovation is on right or left eye mounted monitor with floating virtual keyboard..

*of course that before brain impulse operations which are around the corner..


www.livescience.com

www.compkeyboard.com

www.techchee.com

Im sorry but someone else not Apple will always invent...

When Steve Jobs publicly said: " This is the best thing Apple has." he was actually saying: "YOU ARE ALL DUMB MONKEYS BLINDED BY CONSUMERISM AND CAN"T TELL WHAT IS GARBAGE!"

Now u want something useful!?

www.google.com

Something more expensive...

www.google.com

So spending $2400 or $1100 for a Used model is better than the iPad.

Ok, you win! ;-)

if what u want is to spend "I got an app for that" ;)

the EEE is perfect tho.. they ship with Linux too, ;) 300 bucks and u got a full computer,,, size is great processor power is great memory is great hard drive size.. yea u guessed it its great..

so true

That's all true, but if you've ever bought virtually any designer product then you're a hypocrite for agreeing with that statement though.

not necessarily. sorry but sorry. Some designer things mean quality while other designer things are crap.

Yes, that's true ...but I really don't see how you can objectively say that Apple makes crap products. You can say they're overpriced, but they also win support and reliability awards for a reason.

yea the same reason why so many big companies like AIG were able to operate and bankrupt the biggest economy in the world.. (lack of common sense) I wont fight that APPLE might have good customer support but can u imagine an Apple without good support still afloat?. WHO is giving the awards? Bernard Madoff? come on! The crook patches the crooker in the back and they build a mountain out of lies. give me a break!

Apple hardware is from third party companies and I bet they also go for the cheap supplier like a lot of other companies do. Of course, cover this regular hardware on a shiny shell and install an OS that is simple to use (without many options and closed as possible to avoid danger) and not as big a target from internet threats (yet) and u will have sells. Of course the price factor makes some people say "it must be good, look at the price!" LOL! just like other things. ex. "if he says it, it must be true", etc..

I am the kind of person that likes to explore the wild and give me option! I can even change the windows Shell if I want to and make my desktop be a 3d first person environment if I want to! I bet u can do this on Mac too but who wants to develop? and why? most of the hype about Mac is thanks to the system being child proof.. or so many would like u to believe. I know plenty of Mac dirty little secrets...

example of iCal at work: macdailynews.com

Check this out
www.midipad.de

This "big iPod touch" will change the world (including the world of us musicians and DJs).

i dont think it will change the world...... laptops have yet to change the world

it was obviosly the "digital" world, as not even Apple can reshape the Hymalaya.

still keep my above statment it is a cool gadget but not (digital) world changing... going to be popular yes but not (digital) world changing....

I totally disagree. It will be MASSIVELY digital-world AND media changing IMHO, and the stock price current run reflects this.

eeing that my carreers are all based in digital let me explain why i stand where i do. Being a digital illustrator and working with some of the industry big guy(sony,blizzard, ect) there is a wacom tablet the 'cintiq' that allows you to draw directly on a screen but most digital artist choose not to use that model even still some are using the out dated scanner or even using a digital camera to ransfer sketches to digital.

i think stocks are relecting consumers need to have the latest and newest shinny toy.

i do however see it as going to be 'important' especially if or rather when adopted by schools and universities to replace textbooks and note pads ect.

so maybe that IS what you are refering to as world changing. Maybe i just see the digital world a little bigger than you do. I mean the 'electronic chalk boards' in schools already are innovative but not world changing

what I really mean is that this seemingly innocuous "toy" is going to dramatically change the way normal people access a vast number of medias: from books to magazines, while being an excellent game machine and a capable productivity tool.

it's going to replace the book, the newspaper, the e-reader, the game console, the laptop... and the Lemur ;-) pretty much a game changer (or better, a multi-game changer)

you can mark this post and come back here in a couple of years: it's going to happen! :)

ok i guess i am just reading you saying all this at launch.... so it is like how now we dont have to leave the house to rent a movie.

Yup exactly, speaking of Lemur, that baby cost about 3000$ its a BADASS toy but way too much expensive, am pretty sure there will be alot of Lemur lIKE app's for the iPad.

I know ill be getting one whn that happends hehehehe :-D

just to put this out there... i may sound anti-ipad but on the next generation i can see my house hold owning atleast 3 :)

a game console has powerful processor and video card.

a kindle is lighters, smaller and reads books!

The ibook store will be cool indeed but there will be more options like amazon and google. not to mention MS's version when they decide they will open up to the market as well...

dream on! dream on! dream until your dream comes true!!!!!!!

Aerosmith - Dream On

*of course there will be a sense of "my ipad is more expensive than your kindle therefore I'm cooler than you" lol but I'm sure there will be plenty of people who will say "sure buddy, keep hauling your mammoth around while I carry my cute kindle and for music and video oh yea I got that little tinny thing called cell phone.

we will see how long people will haul the Ipad around for. 6months? 4? 3? maybe 2 and put it up for sell on craigslist and ebay?

People in the US only use %1 of consumer goods after the 6 month period.

game changer? I think not. but hey Aerosmith youself to sleep, but when you wake up TRULY LOOK around you!

Watchwww.youtube.com

what does innovation and game changing really mean.

I love how this board doesn't allow for editing and deleting posts. Going to be fun, sooner than one may think.

I think you misunderstood... :) I meant that it will be fun to read those goofy comments in a couple of years from now, and thankfully the authors can't edit them.

'I think there is a world market for maybe five computers'

Thomas Watson, Chairman of IBM, 1943

"I give them two years before they're turning out the lights on a very painful and expensive mistake"

David Goldstein, Channel Marketing Corp. President, on Apple's launch of Apple Stores, May 21, 2001

“[Apple's iPhone] is the most expensive phone in the world and it doesn’t appeal to business customers because it doesn’t have a keyboard which makes it not a very good email machine… So, I, I kinda look at that and I say, well, I like our strategy. I like it a lot.”

Steve Ballmer, Microsoft CEO, January 17, 2007

“Apple should pull the plug on the iPhone… What Apple risks here is its reputation as a hot company that can do no wrong. If it’s smart it will call the iPhone a ‘reference design’ and pass it to some suckers to build with someone else’s marketing budget. Then it can wash its hands of any marketplace failures… Otherwise I’d advise people to cover their eyes. You are not going to like what you’ll see.”

John C. Dvorak, Bloated Gas Bag, March 28, 2007

“I’m more convinced than ever that, after an initial frenzy of publicity and sales to early adopters, iPhone sales will be unspectacular… iPhone may well become Apple’s next Newton.”

David Haskin, Computerworld, February 26, 2007

"We are not at all worried. We think we've got the one mobile platform you'll use for the rest of your life. [Apple] are not going to catch up."

Scott Rockfeld, Microsoft Mobile Communications Group Product Manager, April 01, 2008

(this one is outstanding)

"I can’t believe the hype being given to iPhone... I just have to wonder who will want one of these things (other than the religious faithful)... So please mark this post and come back in two years to see the results of my prediction: I predict they will not sell anywhere near the 10M Jobs predicts for 2008."

Richard Sprague, Microsoft Senior Marketing Director, January 18, 2007

Lollolol....

and the funny part is all those people were TOTALY Wrong mouhahahahahaha :-P

Apple isn't stupid, there's a big big big Marketing and R&D team behind it, when they do a move more then 70% of the time they are right on SPOT! and it works!

Am not saying it's flawless, from my own experienced i had some Apple products that wasn't top notch at first (For those who know's. iMac 27in Quad and when they released the very first Unibody Macbook Pro model) but either way, their shares keeps on climbing and every now and then they put up some new and kool gadgets that you just cant do without having one hehehehe

... last but not least:

"We've learned and struggled for a few years here figuring out how to make a decent phone. PC guys are not going to just figure this out. They're not going to just walk in."

Ed Colligan, Palm CEO, November 16, 2006

PS (Palm is now struggling to survive)

Amazingly, almost word-by-word the exact same things said by the so-called "tech-experts" about the iPad.

Just watch ;)

:-D

still doesn't appeal to those people. You people dont want to see the truth you forget the blackberry... but whatever.. as I said keep dreaming.

doesnt it have a keyboard dock coming out soon

Their stock is literally worthless.

LOL!

iPad launch: SOLD OUT

sanjose.bizjournals.com

going to get ugly for iPad bashers

Yup mouhahahahahaha :-P

MTV launching iPad app, turning interactive TV into reality: finance.yahoo.com

gonna get ungly for us who have yet to order our ipad :)

in Europe, it's not possible yet.

hmmmmm....
hexler.net

As I predicted, the first DJ apps will be on the store on launch day. This one looks promising:

ipadmixr.com

indeed like predicted...
but i'de like to see how you hook this up to a mixer...and what the quality of the sound is
but i think you'll be testing this out real soon :)

Cool indeed but... a 2 iPad+traditional mixer setup would definitely be a better choice IMHO.

the iPads could be linked via Bluetooth (for syncronization purposes), and you won't need a breakout box for 4 outputs (mix out + HP out)

also, a one-deck GUI would be something gorgeous and very practical to use (just a BIG spinning record, a BIG pitch slider, PLAY, CUEs, SYNC and Library buttons).

Last but not least, a twin iPad setup would grant the redundancy needed for maximum reliability of the setup.

Can you imagine a 2 iPads flight-case with central mixer? People at the club would be amazed.

This. Will. Rock.

Apple ups iPad shipments: 8 to 10 MILLIONS iPads are seen for calendar 2010 according to Asian suppliers.

A huge, huge hit is shaping up.

brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com

i agree, a dedicated ipad for 1 deck would allow for all controls to be accessible...
the one thing to resolve is a central storage for the tracks otherwise you need to duplicate on both systems
also wifi would allow one system to act as master for beatgridding :)

no, this would reduce the redundancy/reliability of the system

don't forget that you syncronize the iPad with your Mac/pc JUST LIKE AN IPOD; so it's very easy and quick to syncronize both to the same library!

Yes, wifi or bluetooth master clock.

didn't know about the sync... i only have an ipod :)
this kind of setup will surface, it's enevertable...

One iPad could be Master; the second iPad may import the file analysis (waveforms, beatgrids, etc.) from the Master, then use the same iTunes library synced with the PC/Mac.

Wow, you can def see where all of this is headed.

every invention start with a dream, isn't it?

seekingalpha.com

First "tech-expert" totally crushed by the iPad early reviews by Mossberg and Pogue:



from the David Pogue review:



And it's only getting uglier and uglier for early iPad bashers, as the iPad is going to rapidly become the best selling computer, ever.

Some highlight from Mossberg's review on the Wall Street Journal:

• The iPad is much more than an e-book or digital periodical reader, though it does those tasks brilliantly, better in my view than the Amazon Kindle.
• I’ve been using my test iPad heavily day and night, instead of my trusty laptops most of the time. As I got deeper into it, I found the iPad a pleasure to use...
• My verdict is that, while it has compromises and drawbacks, the iPad can indeed replace a laptop for most data communication, content consumption and even limited content creation, a lot of the time.
• I was impressed with the iPad’s battery life, which I found to be even longer than Apple’s ten-hour claim, and far longer than on my laptops or smart phones. For my battery test, I played movies, TV shows and other videos back-to-back until the iPad died. This stressed the device’s most power-hogging feature, its screen. The iPad lasted 11 hours and 28 minutes, about 15% more than Apple claimed... Oh, and all the while during this battery marathon, I kept the Wi-Fi network running and the email downloading constantly in the background. Your mileage may vary, but with Wi-Fi off and the screen turned down from the fairly bright level I used, you might even do better.
• I also was impressed with the overall speed of the iPad. Apple’s custom processor makes it wicked fast. Screens appear almost instantly...
• I found the iPad virtual keyboard more comfortable and accurate to use than the cramped keyboards and touchpads on many netbooks...
• The Web browser also works beautifully, and takes advantage of the big screen to show full pages and cut down on scrolling.
• Watching videos, viewing photos, listening to music, reading books and playing games was satisfying and fun.
• Apple's optional iPad word processor, called Pages, is a serious content creation app that should help the iPad compete with laptops and can import Microsoft Office files.
• The photo app is striking, and much more like the one on the Mac than the one on the iPhone. The device can even be used as a digital picture frame. The iPod app is beautiful, too, as are the calendar and contacts app.
• I was able to try a pre-release version of The Wall Street Journal’s new iPad app (which I had nothing to do with designing), and found it gorgeous and highly functional—by far the best implementation of the newspaper I have ever seen on a screen.
• I also found iBooks, Apple’s book reader and store, easy to use, and read a couple of books on it. I consider the larger color screen superior to the Kindle’s, and encountered no eye strain.

full review: ptech.allthingsd.com

"The bling-bling era was cute but it's about to be done
I leave ya full of clipse like the moon blocking the sun
my metaphors are dirty like herpes but harder to catch
like an escape tunnel in prison I started from scratch
and now these parasites wanna prosenna my asscap
trying to control perspective like an acid flashback"

"your better off asking Ariel Sharon for compasion
your better off banging for twenty points for a label
your better off battling cancer under telephone cabels
Technique chemically unstable, set to explode
foretold by the dead sea scrolls written in codes
so if your message ain't sh**t, f**k the records you sold
cuz if you go platinum, it's got nothing to do with luck
it just means that a million people are stupid as f**k"

Immortal Technique - Industrial Revolution

lol "it's so fast and lite!"

DUDE THE THING CAN ONLY DO ONE THING AT A TIME!

OF COURSE ITS FAST!!!!!!

AND LITE !! DUHH WHAT ISN"T LITE! ITS 2010 HELLO!

usa.asus.com

OMG!

For the poor "multitasking" argument, see OS 4.0. The iPad has full preemptive multitasking.

Netbooks sales fall sharply ahead of iPad launch: www.businessweek.com

Netbook collapse: HP and Dell said to be curtailing investment in 10-inch netbooks:

www.engadget.com

asus: 2.11 pounds
iPad: 1.5 pounds

ahahahahaha

i just hope this ipad gets released once for all and get it over with so apple starts focusing on the new macbooks!!!!!!!!!!!!!! god damn it.

... or MacPad (you've heard it first here)

... and MacPad Pro (MPP).

Dr Cerla, since you are our mac expert what kinda behavior on prices should we expect whenever macbook pros with corei5/i7, better video cards, hopefully usb 3.0 ports become avilable vs previous macbook pros. do you think the new models will be ultra expensive and the older ones will maintain their price or will the older models will drop considerably their price until they run out of stock?.

Will be same price range. Everytime theres a Model refresh the price stays the same.

no point just no point. Ipad "will probably sell 4 million in a heartbeat" according to a review I read but "sales are subject to stall after that"

besides you are changing the usability arguments to a "how many will sell" argument and try to say that something is great based on how many sell.

I could give you plenty of analogies where bad things get sold a lot like crack cocaine but I wont waste my precious time.

Many people who already own an Iphone and have a macbook as well do not need the ipad for anything! As a matter of fact it is more of a drag to have one and have to carry it around... now for money wasting people who would wear apple underwear if they made it then yea I cant wait for those folks to drop those better mac-books on craigslist and ebay for other people with not so great technical skill to buy them (after all Mac OS is better for those folks so) hehehe

I think physical keyboard is better than regular keyboard but word completion might make the virtual keyboard work somehow fine.. I think Apple could have done a much better job but then again they sacrificed making it a phone and multitasking for battery life...

Im happy with my cell phone! I can pretty much do everything I need to! fits in my pocket and works like a dream come true! I can type anything as fast as Speedy Gonzales, I have full fledged Office suit and oh yea I know people making the switch from iphone to physical keyboard phones after the shiny iphone cracks, breaks and people realize that Typing on a physical is a lot better! ouch!

Of course Apple will introduce PH Keyboard devices soon enough but admit it, Apple is using the "coolness" and "hype" factors more than true usability.

It shows when My friends say "I think a keyboard is better"

Apple = hot for the moment = makes some sells from ignorance and people trying to look socially cool.

I would LOL if kindle introduced a video imput for their product so that you could plug any kind of video device to it and use it as a carry around monitor as well as a reader (there are alreasy 1 onch LCD TV'S!) LOL! Again if Iphone cant support a video out it will cost their customers a lot more to make the switch around than most other device makers..

Apple is NOT secure.. jailbreaking the iphone more than proves it..

For people that have no idea about Win7. You are missing a few facts as to how much better Windows has gotten.. It is only natural that OS's evolve..

As for the weigh argument!

ASUS PC has physical keyboard, Multi-touch Touchpad , Touch-screen! A %50 faster processor and up to 2 gig ram! multi-tasking, SD/SDHC Memory Card reader, widescreen display, 1 x Display / video - VGA - 15 pin HD D-Sub (HD-15) , 2 x Hi-Speed USB - 4 pin USB Type A , 1 x Network - Ethernet 10Base-T/100Base-TX - RJ-45 , 1 x Headphones, 1 x Microphone - Input - Mini-phone 3.5 mm, 1.3 Megapixel camera, 5 HOUR BATTERY! !

Heck! 1 Kilo for all this seems worth it..

www.crunchgear.com

techcrunch.com

The I tampon will most likely have to drop in price to keep up and I still prefer a traditional physical keyboard and all as it protects the screen while closed.. However I found those links and thought to share..

Forgot ASUS eee t91 has Bluetooth, and of course wireless duhh

cuz its a post to talk about the Ipad so I want to make my points of why I dont think its that great and because I can and its my right..

why write about the Ipad in the Itch forum?

any other question?

enthusiasts and people looking to avoid tunning windows.

Keep them coming...

I didnt know I had to like and support something to talk about it..

Do u want to have a slave farm? Are u muscular I could use someone to work my land.

Yes. If Windows is fantastic, why a lot of people install Hackintosh versions in their Windows machines (even at Notebooks)?

I could answer with my personal experience. just to run ITCH!!!, unfortunately i dont know if its the drivers or ITCH or whatever but its just not 100% optimal on windows. I tried Vista, 7, both sucked, now im at XP and its almost flawless but i get a dropout every now and then and scares the hell out of me every time im at a gig praying not to be let down by my computer :D. So the only reason im buying a MAC is because of ITCH, i know sounds stupid but just works period, unless Traktor releases an udpate with native support for the NS7 before the new Macbooks come out (yeah i use traktor too and never had an audio glitch or dropout ever) so i dare to blame windows issues to either ITCH or the drivers for the devices, otherwise i dont see a good reason to buy a MAC, strange enough my 3 year old AMD X2 desktop analyzes files faster than my buddy's macbook pro lol.

Breaker, I think he is trying to be funny, the operative word being funny...I tell you one thing he is definitely amusing.

only slaves had to shut up when they didnt agree with something. I was in fact being funny. Sarcastically funny.

No hate, only love.

@czar
I actually agree with about 25% of what you posted above. The other 75% sounds like "hateration".

Guys. Gals. This thread has totally run off of the rails. Look at the big picture. The iPad is revolutionizing the laptop. This IS where the laptop is going. A touch screen flat device a la Stargate Atlantis. Serato would be stupid NOT to port Itch to the iPad. Can you imagine running your NS7 through an iPad and NOT a clumsy laptop? I'm TOTALLY down for that. It's cheaper. It's simpler. It's cooler.

It is also slower, doesn't allow real multitasking and the core audio is severely limited in iPhone OS. So, unless a MacPad appears we won't see a DJ capable Apple Pad anytime soon (and please don't talk to me about mixr, Flare Scratch, IPJ and all the other childish DJ apps).

developer.apple.com

I own both (macbook and iphone) and I use my Iphone to surf on the internet quite a lot at home and on the road. The Iphone is actually great in use for that but I often had the feeling "was this thing a bit bigger and if this thing could read flash based websites, it would be my ideal surf machine".
I'm interested in the Ipad, because it actually fill in these thoughts.
I think I'm gonna use it a lot as soon as i own one.

True, but all the reviewers agree that it's blazing fast; fast enough for a DJ app, this for sure.



4.0 with full applications multitasking in Exposè style is on its way; the iPad is capable of full preemptive multitasking. Also, I don't know about you, but I only have ITCH open during my gigs :)



From what I hear, you will be proven wrong very soon as a major DJ app is on the way to the iPad ;-)

DJCerla, the reasons iPad doesn't allow for full multitasking is not technical but rather a decision of Apple based on security and power management. Preemptive multitasking is just another type of multitasking and iPad (as well as iPhone) fully supports it only for system tasks (ie all the basic system tasks continue to run in the background). What I (and most people) mean by multitasking is the ability to have a third-party application run in the background. In the current iPhone OS architecture this is not allowed. So, if for example i was running ITCH and wanted to switch to a third party sample player it would immediately stop playback from ITCH as it would be forced to save its state and shutdown.
As for the major DJ app let's hope that it will be major in every terms and not only in the name of the company that created it.



IPad won't support flash. Just another restriction from Apple to force developers submit their apps through the iStore and users to pay for them

4.0 will allow for apps multitasking.

same reaction as when Apple got rid of the floppy disk drive on Macs.

actually, even before the release of the iPad, Apple managed to push the whole content industry towards HTML5, a not-proprietary, open and very capable new standard www.engadget.com

Flash won't die anytime soon, but the lack of flash support will stop being a problem for iPad users in no time.

"Force"??? looks more like a new Gold Rush! blog.flurry.com

Apple is now enjoying the kind of developer's frenzy that turned Microsoft into the PC leader in the '90s.

sure it won't support flash? I thought i saw somewhere it will, in a later phase of the development... don't recall where i've read that.

Here it is:
techcrunch.com

No... it's only a way to port Flash apps into native iPhone apps.

iPhones and iPads are not going to get Flash. But content is coming anyways (i.e. Vimeo already has a HTML5 version, Netflix has just introduced a new iPad/iPhone app, and so on).

HTML 5 is for Web content and media playback though the net. There is no way to compare that with the power of flash or it's direct competitor (Silverlight). If flash was enabled in iPads then essentially all the software restrictions enforced by Apple were to be canceled. A smart flash programmer can implemented multitasking right inside flash. Also, open and free alternatives of iTunes, iBook and many many games/apps would be readily available for iPad, all these without cost for the end user and ofcourse without fees to Apple. No more Apple screening/censorship of applications. Don't try to convince me that this is a good thing. It is just a business practice aimed to offer huge profits to Apple.
Also, there is no comparison between the Windows/Linux/OSX development environment and the one of iPhone OS cause in the first case nobody tells you what to (on not to) build. Also, 90% of iPhone apps are just crap or copies of another crap, 500-5000 lines of code aimed to offer quick $$ to the developer. With that kind of apps and restrictions there is no way for Apple to become the next PC leader. But hey, Mp3 players/phones/toilet surfing devices are also good places to be first.

iCal'd for future rich quoting.

Actually i don't care how it works. As long as it works on all websites i'll be happy.

No need to, I'll be the first one to admit that Apple is in the first place of mobile phones or toilet surfing devices when it happens. I already admit that is the leader in Mp3 players.

kind of a short-sighted sentence for a smart guy like you.

@l1Kirm - Your post about HTML5 and iPod Touch/iPhone apps is quoted for truth.

I'll go on record to say that IMHO, the ONLY key differentiators are the form factor and closed-source platform. Like Nintendo's products, the Apple products's form-factors are "shiny" and "exciting" to hold and they make those who are less-than-technically-savvy feel comfortable using them. Those two things are KEY to new products now. If you take those two things away, the iPad becomes a super expensive tablet-based netbook... but with them, it's the "next big thing."

I give points to Apple for innovating with their products. Sony should pay attention before it kills the PlayStation brand... but I digress.

Let's hope that the second-gen iPad is powerful enough to become a platform for ITCH, because I don't think that this generation has the I/O throughput to support ITCH.

-KLH

Even smart guys have the right to bash. But let me rephrase to "casual surfing devices".
iPad will be a hit for this type of usage, it's just that I am expecting something bigger from Apple if they want to dominate the PC industry.

lol hatred hu? sure ok.. grab a mirror please.

teh tablet concept was not invented by Apple because there were many other ones from different companies before apple islate was rumored about..

yes the ipad might do "more" than the joo joo for example but to idolize Apple and give them credit for "revolutionizing" the market is a bit too much I think.

Sometimes people have to lie to themselves just a little bit to tell themselves they need something when they don't.

Typing from my new iPad. This thing is amazing and I guarantee you it's going revolutionize portable computing like the iPhone revolutionized the smartphone. It's so much better than a netbook and so much more portable than a laptop... Let's not forget the touch screen makes it so much more personable and fun... Really loving it!

Noice :-D

haleron.com

gizmodo.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

Ipad Owns because you can use it to control Logic, Pro Tools and Ableton, although this app is $99, that still sick!. I'm glad I sold my kaos pad, I'm sure well see an app to do just that.

touch control will never be the same as a physical button. there is NOTHING like actually knowing what u are touching by feel rather than having to look at the thing constantly to make sure you won't hit something else by accident.. IMO..

Or even better check out the Jazz Mutant Lemur...

True, but just imagine if they would make a app for iPad.

"TOUCH IS INACCURATE"

Touch will never be good enough to do accurate work much less production work..

Same thing Dvorak wrote in 1984 about an "experimental pointing device that nobody would never want to use" found in an Apple product.

The mouse.

Just got word that Apple's going to hold an "iPhone OS Software Event" on April 8th at their HQ. 4G iPhone very likely coming this summer.

My prediction is:

iPhone Nano: same specs as the 3GS, smaller, $399 unlocked
iPhone HD: beefed up version with hi-res display, A4 system-on-a-chip, 5mpx camera with LED flash
iPhone OS 4.0 with app multitasking

@djcerla, I've heard the iPhone Nano rumors before, but I am not completely sold on how a smaller iPhone would work.
I think your HD prediction is much more plausible - although I'm doubting whether Apple would put an A4 chip into the iPhone so soon after releasing the iPad. Steve seems keen on making sure that the iPad is faster than the iPhone.

That being said, this event will be about the OS. We'll definitely see if multitasking is coming. I agree that it is as well. Hopefully some sort of better app management (folders, anyone?). I'm also hopeful that Apple finally lets apps access iTunes, which will mean that all those DJ apps won't need a separate database of music.

4G is already part of the Sprint Network..

As the actual touch system works it is NOT accurate..

With innovation it might become but it is not right now..

Example is the NS7 touch strip..

a system might be developed but it is not available..

@ breakermixer

smaller phone, not smaller screen

@djcerla,

How would you make a phone that's 95% screen smaller without making the screen smaller?

Where did you get that 95% from??

BTW could be slimmer with smaller vertical bezel.

1.5 inch goes to the black part of the iphone.. and 3 inches is the size of the actual touch screen..

thenextweb.com

I opened and fixed an iphone last night.. it did not look space like lol :p

www.windowsphone7series.com

I hope you have silverlight or flash to be able to see this,. lol

the iphone 3gs measures 4.5 inches long = 3 inches touch screen 1.5 divided by two .75 inch to each side of the phone where button is at bottom and ear piece on top.. :)

the inside is nice.. but nothing crazy not like stuff you cant understand or anything.. actually pretty simple.. and I like the fact that the battery was not attached to the main board.. and is replaceable..

Microsoft had to trash everything they made with CE and Win Mobile and start from scratch: an huge FAIL is written all over Steve Ballmer's decade "mobile strategy".

This is where they will actually start with Windows Phone 7: from ZERO percent of the market share. WP7 will remain a small niche player, if it will manage to survive somehow. Forget about "killing" the iPhone.

hehehe of course u had to say that.. hehehe

wait just for the record.. hmmmm..

"nahhh" :p

ah, watch out for android... Google is a strong competitor, even if they have to start from scratch...

Android OS is free, while manufacturers will have to pay for WP7.

Not a small difference.

That's why, ofc.

GROOVEMAKER for iPad: www.groovemaker.com

Interesting...

all the software you can think of is possible for a regular laptop and with the Ipad you are restricted to 1ghz processor so you cant achieve a lot... yes you can do things alright but compare 1ghz processor to an i5, i7 or even the mediocre i3 is a monster compared to the ipad's...

I believe that the Ipad can become a real party booper for the JazzMutant devices...

Time to stop tracking this thread. I am tired of all the back and forth. Actually I am only tired of the back. ;-)

being realistic how do you finely tune sounds with fat fingers? only time will tell but im happy with a laptop..

tablets have been around for a while now and will keep improving. no point on the hehe "back and forth" lol

well, my personal guess is that the people of this forum that will use the bridge, will buy an ipad as soon as it got a simular hands on control API, like the jazzmutant lemur does.
music-technology.suite101.com

Here's an example of what the Lemur can do:
www.jazzmutant.com

Imangine that on the Ipad. i think it's quite possible.

i for one would not replace a flat screen for the tactile feel of buttons and knobs

Yeah, it's nicer to have real knobs... but it takes a lot of knobs to control Ableton live completely. A touch pad (like the ipad) is a nice alternative, no?

How fat are your fingers?

very fat... lol

alright if u guys think guys u do u lol

back to Ipad hehe

www.msnbc.msn.com

lol *if you think touch screen is better than knobs and faders do you he

Thank god I have iCal as well. The predicted 700k to 1M pre-orders of iPad where way off.
300k for the first day which includes pre-orders & Apple Retail Stores sales...

You've iCald wrong.

120.000 is not 700.000: the latter figure was a guesstimate from an anal-yst not from me.

The original iPhone sold 270.000 on day one; not to mention that preorders include the 3g model that will ship later this month.

Then add International distribution: this thing is going to sell a million in the first 20 days, whereas it took 74 days for the iPhone to reach that goal. An astonishing success, given that it's a totally new kind of device.

Back to your wrong iCal: the preorders figure is consistent with units actually sold.

iPad "killer" disaster: the JooJoo Engadget review: www.engadget.com

It has Flash, but that power-hog puts the Atom CPU on its knees: youtube videos are mere "slideshows".

2.5 hours of battery life on moderate use (iPad 12 hours)

Next! :-)

Watchwww.youtube.com

electribe for ipad

touch controls are really perfect on the iElectribe, despite what the "usual suspects" may think ;-)

BTW just an early sign of the wonderful DJ things to come.

Nice!

screw it.

It would be nice if KueIt made an app for the iPad.

Much better things than Kueit are just around the iPad corner.

No I did not. If the 120.000 first day pre-orders was correct then the expected first day sales would be more than 500,0000. Anyway that figure wasn't yours, it was from the same guy that predicted 700,000 first day sales. The iPad launch is surely successful but much lesser that the Apple hype-machine wanted it to be. Anyway, time will tell. My guess is with all the new tablets about to emerge in a couple of years Apple will have a marker share similar to the PC section (7-10%) which ofcourse is good news for Apple.

You were actually WRONG because the preorders figure included the 3G version orders that are not factored in the official 300k sales figure.

AAPL shares are currently hitting a new all time high, instead dropping as even I was expecting, reflecting those considerations.

Apple share on tablets will be around 75%.

www.thinkgeek.com

April's Fool ;)

but nobody knows...

LoL, looks gr8!

Which according to the same sources were less that 25,000. I stick to my original post.

No way. Pretty soon Google will jump into tablets as well. At the same time Microsoft, HP and others are very close to the release of keyboard-less tablets with the Courier looking extremely interesting... The only period Apple will have such a big share is for the next 6 months. Soon tablets costing less that $200 and doing more will emerge and sell like hotcakes.

Is that the same way that Microsoft "jumped" into the digital music player field with Zune? How did that go?

You were actually WRONG I repeat: this was your post:



because I've never cited those fantasy "700k to 1M" figures, so you couldn't have iCal'd something I have NEVER SAID. So, you were dead wrong on this.

About the future, I don't have any crystal ball. But I did my homework well, because I have much money on that table. I only tell you: "just watch".

Needless to say... you've been iCal'd :-)

what "sources"? Apple sources? Hell, no. So, please give a link thank you.

Yes but others did and i can iCal them as well, can't I? Just like you used a figure from the same source that estimated 700,000 first day sales.


Ofcourse not, Apple never commented on pre-sales until yesterday. Still, if you didn't have any problem at that time to cite a figure based on rumors why should I?


Google's Android is rapidly gaining smartphone market share for the past 12 months while Apple's (ie iPhone) stayed the same and Microsoft's dropped 4%. So, don't underestimate them. Furthermore, the whole industry was surprised when Apple released the iPod but the iPhone wasn't able to kill Blackberry because RIM was expecting their move. As for the iPad, almost everyone looks prepared for its release.

this is becoming more pointless than a pc vs mac debate :)

Ofcourse, that's the point, isn't it?

no i was hoping to see more... i use the ipad with this dj software to do this....

thats the point of the ipad right?

+1

Figures of sales estimates, predictions of market share or wrong iCalds is the least of my interest...

Currently less that 400,000 own the iPad and there is no killer DJ app. So for the time being flaming seems more appropriate to me :P

Because I can provide a LINK with exact METODOLODY of that research. You are a scientist so you should understand what a metodology is, and eventually confute that metodology; but you CAN'T drop a "25.000" figure out of the blue, without even a link.




They're prepared with VAPORWARE, mere GUI renders, not actual shipping products, aimed at trying to freeze people's decision to get the Apple device. It will be a cold shower when those vaporware translate into real devices like the hugely disappointing JOOJOO is starting to show.

This said, I agree with kraal... back to useful iPad DJ apps guys...

OK then, I'll stop bashing but before that here is a random link I copied from google
www.macnn.com

They are literally thousands of links on the web that posted the exactly same numbers for the past couple of weeks all using the same "scientific" (read totally unscientific) methodology of pre-orders serial numbers, and all of them said that 75% of the pre-sales were for the wi-fi version.

Please Cerla, I thought by now you'd know I don't post anything unless I can back it up...

You are wrong, again, because 25% is not 25.000 units.

25% of 300.000 is 75.000 not 25.000.

That's why I couldnt remember that fantasy 25.000 figure.

I was talking about the 120,000 first day presales

How could I've talking about the official first day sales that didn't include the 3G version anyway?

i doubt there are that many ns7 owners either... :)

Ok so 30k not 25k. Wrong for the third time in a row :)

And if you take the 25% for good, at least 75k units will be added in the US only on first 3G day. To put things in prospective, the Google "superphone" Nexus One sold about 120k total.

Ts ts... At least I was less wrong than you



Yes but all of them have a killer DJ app and they are... er... DJs. I wonder how many of the iPad owners are DJs as well :)

off my head i can name a few big names such as
steve1der
jordanlaws
and DJ tinat is thinking of getting one :)

lol

oh no more ipod djs.. shseeesshh LOL

I wasn't wrong at all. I even nailed the name iPad before the unveiling :)

Alright there it is for all the babies that can't wait a few week's/month to see all the major music software start taking a glimpse of how crazy it can be with a iPad.

www.midipad.de

Am getting one for sure, and am pretty sure in a near futur we will start to see more and more music and dj app's poping up.

createdigitalmusic.com

let the show begin...

Using the iPad as a glorious Midi controller for full-blown DJ apps is certainly the way to go. I might as well buy an iPad if a stable app for controlling Ableton comes out, in this regard midipad looks really promising.
On the other hand trying to create a proper DJ app on the iPad will be a disaster IMO. 1Ghz CPU with just 256MB of RAM and a crappy Cirrus Logic soundcard is not what a pro DJ should depend on.
A sample launcher would probably play quite nicely though.

Have you tested it? Of course not.

Also: never heard about breakout boxes? Let's see how long it takes for APOGEE to come out with a top-quality 4 channels interface for iPad, my guess is before Christmas. Apogee apart, expect the first iPad DJ breakout boxes very soon.



In 2004 I used to play on a powerbook G4, 867 MHz, with great results on Final Scratch.

Again, you should know that the iPad nominal 1Ghz is a very capable processor, given that the built-in RAM increases the performance dramatically (while reducing power consumption). All the reviews, with no exception, are pointing out iPad speed.

pardon my ignorance, how you make the ipad dj apps useful with your current setup? does the ipad has a reliable sound card that you can plug in to your mixer or how you include it in your setup?

More stuff on the iPad.

No more OSC, plug with USB and it SENDS Midi!

www.iconnectivity.com

I stand by something I can actually touch. Knobs/faders/buttons.. no virtual stuff when it comes to (HARDWARE)

That is the point of the NS7 or anything for that matter.

Or you could grab a touch screen and play with VDJ and be a champ..

If this is the case then VDJ kicks Itch's behind...

I love to read these ipad threads that pop up all over the place.
Unfortunately, I think Apple bought their own hype and this signals the END of their "golden age" (where everything they make sells). Many people whose writing I trust, such as CmdrTaco over at Slashdot, have raised serious issues with it's usability and actual usefulness. I had the opportunity to use one Monday, and whilst it was cool, it's a really expensive toy. And thats all it will ever be. Apple has failed to learn ANYTHING from their products that sold well. The ipod and iphone did very well for 2 reasons; when they entered the marketplace there was nothing that offered the features and ease they did, and they continued to sell well because their competition took their sweet time bringing products that could directly compete. By then Apple was entrenched. The ipad on the other hand offers nothing I can't get in a netbook or even an iphone. Furthermore Apple's direct competition in the tablet market have some very interesting products in the pipeline and many are launching THIS YEAR. There isn't enough time for Apple to gain the market lead it needs to do well. And when they are available on an even price point with the ipad I think Apple is gonna see a sales slide they won't recover from.

OH and I saw someone mention Apple's recent stock rise. If I sold 300,000 pieces of fake vomit in 2 days my stock would go up to. Wall Street sinks their money where the money seems to be at the time. Like Credit Default Swaps. :)

more than 540.000 iPads sold as of today (based on unique iPad network analysis) labs.chitika.com

@ The Reverend:

those 2 reasons you mention are exactly the reasons why the iPad is a runaway hit.

Actually most of us probably did; all indications show that is the same sound card that comes with the iPhone 3GS. Pretty good for earphone use but I wouldn't plug it to a club mixer for any reason other than backup.



Not so sure about that. The main reason I have my doubts is power consumption. If the breakout box draws its power from the iPad it will seriously hurt its battery life. According to iFixit the iPad is rated at about 2.5W during full use. A quality breakout box will need about 200-300mA at 5V which is 1-1.5W, that is 50% of what iPad uses, ie battery life lower than 6-7 hours. Furthermore, although I am not an iPad programmer, I have my doubts regarding the ability of iPad/iPhone OS to support external sound devices (and I'm not talking about simple breakout cables here).


It is the well known single core ARM Cortex A8, the same used at iPhone 3GS but at a higher clock (1GZ instead of 600 MHz). The performance gains of the built-in RAM are actually pretty small compared to the gains of clock speed alone. As the Ars technica benchmarks show the iPad is indeed 30-50% faster that the iPhone 3GS, a figure that can be easily attributed to the CPU speed. On the other hand the "very capable" A4 processor is about 25 times slower than a macbook pro and 6-7 times slower than the Atom based Asus Eee 1005PE. As a matter of fact the only devices slower than iPad are smartphones, not netbooks nor laptops. Combine this with the lack of multitasking, swap, RAM, USB ports and you will see how easy will be for a company to develop a full-blown DJ app that can play 2 decks at the same time with master tempo, scratch/pitch bend, waveform display, perhaps a sampler and an iPad powered external soundcard. And all that without compromising stability and battery life (unless of course you keep the iPad plugged-in but then you will need a special adapter to charge the iPad while allowing access for the breakout box).
So even if it works you will have a DJ device that needs as many cables as a CDJ-400 (for example) will not play CDs and will cost more that the CDJ on the first place....
No thanks, I'll stick to the iPad as an external MIDI controller paradigm...

Ts ts I forgot some of my sources
arstechnica.com
www.ifixit.com

@ I1Kirm

WRONG for the 4th time in a row, as the iPad resulted TWICE as fast as the 3GS (100%), not "30-50% faster"

about real life speed: finance.yahoo.com

anyways, you're going to be proven WRONG (again!) about PRO DJ apps on the iPad VERY soon, a little bird tweeted me.

chitika.com

That is a pathetic way for a research company to present its methodology. It looks more as an omelet recipe than a scientific method....
I'll wait for the next official data to see how close this estimate really is

another estimate puts total sales at 750.000 www.macrumors.com

@Cerla this is the last time I am answering to one of your posts. I am sorry I have to say that but you're arrogant, opinionated and obviously blind and ignorant when it comes to technology. If you can't read the pages I posted and do some simple math then that obviously is not my problem. Also try to read the whole links next time and not just look at the beautiful pictures or just the title.
As for the finance.yahoo.com if you read past the title you will see that
"Of course, some of these performance gains are likely a result of the iPad not loading Flash content. This speeds things up, but may also limit functionality on many sites. However, Imad says that even correcting for this, top optimized sites appear to load equivalent content faster on the iPad than on netbooks"

And ofcourse the link says nothing about which browser was used on the netbooks, what netbooks did they test, what OS, what were the optimizations etc. Just another of the usual Apple hype-machine crap you randomly post.

Again on iPad DJ apps:

1) as the good old 2004 Final Scratch shows, a DJ app can run on slower processors, if it's written efficiently (well-written)

2) developing a DJ app for just one model (processor, RAM, etc.) means less variables in play, so more stability, just like an embedded system, to a degree that our DVS and all-in-one systems could only dream of.

@ I1Kirm

maybe we're reading different articles:

"Across the entire web, the iPad appears to be slightly slower than netbooks. Gomez CTO Imad Mouline speculates that the better performance on top sites could be a results of efforts by sites to optimize for the device. If that's right, the iPad could provide a better browsing experience across the board as more sites follow suit."

"slightly slower" is not 6x slower as your posts declared.

And why arrogant? You were simply WRONG on the 30-50% figure (it was actually 100% as far as I know), so no arrogance is in play here, just hard cold data.

Not so "nice to others" here, I1Kirm. You went in overheating mode and break the #1 rule of this forum.

Why, is a mystery.

lol everybody seems to break rules against cerla lol

poor cerla!

"Apple forums and the official support site are jam packed with user complaints all related to weak WiFi signal problem," Product Reviews reports.

"New reports suggested that the iPad may not power up properly when connected to some USB ports. Users also complained that the iPad would only charge if turned off or in sleep mode." Yahoo's tech blogger shared his personal charging woes, explaining, "when I plugged my new iPad into my MacBook Pro and saw the "Not charging" message next to the iPad's battery icon."

According to The Times, iPhone apps are frequently crashing when loaded onto the iPad. Yahoo's Ben Patterson adds, "I've been hearing a series of complaints about iPad apps crashing repeatedly; the culprits run the gamut, ranging from games and the Netflix and ABC streaming video players to apps for the New York Times and TIME magazine. "

The iPad can be clunky when it comes to writing with the device. Dave Winer writes on his blog, "None of my writing tools are there. Not just the ones I use to enter keystrokes into the computer, and edit and revise them, but also the tools I use for finding information I want to reference in my stories. ... It's definitely not a writing tool. Out of the question." Gizmodo opines, "It's pretty clear that typing is a secondary function for the iPad."

PC World explains: "Time spent syncing is ridiculously sluggish. Some users say that syncing their iPads gobbles up 30-plus minutes -- others claim four or more hours, with one user saying they lost seven hours. This begs the question: what's the point in buying a tablet that won't let you play with it?" Users on the Apple forum report that syncing the iPad often freezes iTunes: "iTunes recognizes the iPad fine, but as soon as I click the sync apps check box, iTunes freezes."

Shane Sweeney:
Overall, the ipad is way more of a let down then any body in the media has been reporting it as. Pretty sure they were all paid off.
I got one of the iPads with a defunct wifi chip, so my wifi has been crappy.
Also, I bought it to ready content (mostly pdfs) from my classes as they move to being more web based. Viewing pdfs is horrendous. It's slow, you can't save them, take notes, highlight, and you have to be online to view them for the most part.
I hate the iphone app emulator! It makes apps barely usable with the emulated keyboard.
I also bought it for the netflix app, which crashes and navigates poorly. Awesome!
Not a fan, probably just going to return mine and turn my macbook sideways

www.huffingtonpost.com

Many consumers do not understand the device’s purpose, who would want to pay $500 or more for it and why anyone would need another gadget on top of a computer and smartphone. After all, phones are performing an ever-expanding range of functions, as Apple points out in its many iPhone commercials.

If you want the iPad, you'll have to shell out anywhere from $499 to $829--in other words, it's more expensive than many netbooks, which offer full web browsing, multitasking, and more.

And first generation devices can be buggy. Fast Company writes,
First-generation Apple products are for suckers. Only lemmings with no self-control and excessive disposable income buy first generation Apple products, especially in a new gadget category. When they do, they pay the double the price for immature hardware and software.

Walt Mossberg noted that Apple's partnership with AT&T for the iPad elicited strong reactions from the audience attending the tablet's unveiling: "There were groans and boos among Mr. Jobs' otherwise excited audience when this [partnership] was announced."

One of the biggest criticisms of the iPad is that it doesn't include Flash support--which means users won't be able to view video on sites that run Flash, including Hulu, Disney, and ESPN. Other tablets, such as the HP Slate (set to be released later this year) do support Adobe's Flash player and don't require foregoing your favorite Flash-running websites.

The iPad weighs a full 1.5 pounds to the Kindle's 10 ounces. David Pogue writes that its weight can make it cumbersome to hold if you're reading for long stretches of time: it 'gets heavy in your hand after awhile,' he says.

The iPad supports background processes--but only for built in applications and not third party apps. 'So you can listen to music, receive emails, and have the iTunes app download podcasts while you send out tweets through your twitter client,' SmokingApples explains. However, if you want to run two third party apps simultaneously--say, listen to Pandora while you draw with Brushes--you're out of luck.

Forget Video Skyping, snapping photos, or recording video: the iPad doesn't come with a camera.

www.huffingtonpost.com

It's going to be very interesting to look back at these posts come next year around this time. ;-)

he the deaf leading the blind

I think this thread should be moved to the
"General DJing Discussion"-area
as this post does not contain any info in relation to Itch. (not even close)

Today.
Unfortunately Apple prices require long term high sales to make any substantive profit. And as I said before Apple didn't do anything to stand out far enough from their competition and they will be the lame duck of the tablet market by years end.
And lets not forget the numerous hardware and software glitches.

If you want to see a tablet built by some folks who actually thought about building something useful and not something trendy check out the ADAM: www.notionink.in

And thats just one of the dozen tablets hitting the market this year.

OK, we'll review your "dozen tablets" sales figures by year's end.

Let's start with the only not-vaporware iPad challenger: 90 units ordered (and 17 orders cancelled), "enjoy" the full review here: www.engadget.com

Dude, the JooJoo? Its suck was expected since these clowns put releasing before the ipad in front of making a good product. An of course it isn't selling well; many of their would be customers won't buy it because of how bad these guys screwed TechCrunch.
A little history would have helped you there.

What "history"? Even Engadget published a iPad vs JooJoo story yesterday, it's a perfectly plausible comparison given the identical price point. Oh, and it's got Flash! :D

Next one.

Look this Serato + Ipad interaction !!!

Watchwww.youtube.com

A quick look to the future of scratch live controller ????

looks like ipad is too big after all!

dvice.com

ok i'll heat up some other discussion/speculation....
i attented a demo by pioneer (djm2000+cdj2000) (impressive really)
and the sales rep (also dj) told the crowd that they already released 3 new devices and that there were 10 more to come this year alone...no video devices though...

iPhone os 4.0 Keynote.

www.engadget.com

Enjoy

450.000 iPads sold as of today (source: Apple)

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Damn massive update that new 4.0 os.

About Bloody time!

And a nice multitsking implementation, too

True.

... preserving speed and battery life...

"Pandora can continue to play music in the background while you switch to apps. And you can use a controller in the lock screen to control Pandora."

Wowow this is phat stuff.... Wondering if it will be all included for those with iPhone 3GS.

yes

noice :-D

Sweet. Just picked up a 3GS the other day. Timing is perfect.

"We are releasing it for end users for iPhone and iPod touch for users this summer. For the 3GS and iPod touch 3rd gen. And, for iPhone 3G and iPod touch 2nd gen, they will run many things... but there are some things they won't run, like multitasking."

Good, i got a 3GS and ill probably get the next gen when it get's released!

DJ Cerla, ci sono molte persone qui che giusto ama scegliere delle lotte. Pensano che sappiano che parlano di ma sono delusi di solito quando realizzano che hanno torto.

Google translation is always entertaining :)

What the hell google translate?!?
"ci sono persone molto qui giusto che scegliere delle lotte loves. Pensano sappiano che Parlano di ma che sono di solito delusi realizzano when che hanno Torto."

is what is shat back out at me.

Try Italian to English

That's exactly what I said in Italian.

Grazie! Capisco ora.

www.pcworld.com

HACKED

www.pcworld.com


www.engadget.com

www.liliputing.com

ow.ly

Nice with wifi bit I think latency will always be an issue.

I still like my knobs.

dang I wanted to taunt here..

I will anyways

3.bp.blogspot.com

ow.ly

www.sonorasaurus.com
these guys are giving away promo codes for their dj application if you comment on their blogpost. HURRY!

over 500.000 iPads sold, international launch delayed one month for overwhelming demand www.marketwatch.com

massive hit.

No surprise for me indeed.

However many pundits on this board predicted an historical flop: they will soon eat a very tasty crow!

and they keep using the "how many we sell" to excuse a poor product.

It's funny that Apple uses the USA to show off how many Ipads they can sell. In the USA you paint poo pink and wrap it in a velvet bag and sell it as a fashion statement.

what part of "we can't build enough iPads" you don't get?

From what I heard it is a great product. But to me it is just a larger iphone. If it had been running MacOs instead of Iphone OS I would have bought it in a heart beat. I just hate being locked into "apps". Apple is starting ot get as bad as Microsoft. Jobs and Gates, the new borg collective.

Why? Are you programming your own software? You can do that on the iPad, too.

Otherwise, you're locked into "apps" even on OSX or windows.

^classic marketing tactic.. Somehow I don't believe those figures but Apple can say what they want.

and wait! shouldn't it be: "iCan't" build more? hahaha

me, me, me, ahhhh MEEEEEE MUAHAHHAHA

even if those figures were true.. how many are being returned? And I will not get tired of saying: I doesn't matter how much poo you sell in a velvet bag! It is still POO!

That people with money and ignorance like velvet bags; I won't contend.

You're wrong, as usual.

Apple CAN'T say what they want because it's a publicly traded company. The figures are official.

The reason why it has Iphone OS is because IT IS an Iphone. Wait! an Iphone without a phone! sorry it's not even an iphone.

And the real reason is because the hardware sucks! I can't hold to any real usage more than browse and even Jobs is using the hardware limitations of the ipad to attack Adobe and their software!

New Atom processors are soon to hit market! Soon Ipad 2.0 and new EEE's! I can't wait for the New EEE's. The T91 is just amazing! I can't wait for it to have a dual core Atom processor and a yet better looking exterior: tho Asus doesn't need to make everything look shiny to sell their products like pancakes. MUAHAHAHA

reviews.cnet.com

lmao that just goes to show the power of the iPad hardware HAHAHAHA

meanwhile the latest MS Windows running on the T91 with a single 1.33 processor!

Watchwww.youtube.com

(take some time to watch it, dont be a blind hatter)

Let me see the latest Mac OS running on Ipad! <--JOKE!

I cant wait for the new dual core Atom.. maybe Snow Leopard will work in the ipad then?

whydoeseverythingsuck.com

"Developers are not free to use any tools to help them. If there is some tool that converts some Pascal or, Ruby, or Java into Objective-C it is out of bounds, because then the code is not "originally" written in C. This is akin to telling people what kind of desk people sit at when they write software for the iPhone. Or perhaps what kind of music they listen to. Or what kind of clothes they should be wearing. This is *INSANE*."

I smell lawsuit! If Adobe and others don't win then Apple has bought some judges too!

"If you need to "originally" write your code in Swahili, while listening to Milli Vanilli, while reclining in a patch of mud, and then you need fifty oompa loompas to translate the Swahili into C, that is none of Steve Jobs fucking business. And the idea, which I am sure is actually the plan, that he will inspect application code to figure out what the "original" language is that the code was written in is just plain pathological."

HAHAHAHAHAHA

Yes, I do some programming on a rare ocassion. But I like getting into the terminal. On my Macbook I just run Iterm and control stuff form the CLI. Don't get me wrong, I love my iphone. I just don't want to spend $500 on the same device with a larger screen.

get a life

I am beginning to think that czar is the president of Asus!!!

Somebody please get him some Haterade.

NO! GET ME AN EEE t91 or better! but wait until they sport the new dual core Atom. =) thank you!



wait I will buy this round.

1.bp.blogspot.com

Please share.

funny how the same people keep taking aim at me.. hehehe =D

Me get a life? Sorry Ceria, didn't mean to offend. Just was stating my reasons for not purchashing a Ipad day 1.

Windows will not have an answer soon for the iPad, as they don't have an proper working touch GUI ready.

This video illustrates my point. I don't want to operate a touchscreen with chopsticks.

This reminds me on the mistake I made by buying a Samsung Omnia phone with windows Mobile on it. Superiour hardware with an inferiour touch OS on it. Samsung even delivered an expandable touchpen because otherwise you're not able to operate it.
And then I don't mention the shitty performance of the telephone itself. All caused by the software. And on top of it, It was the same price as my iPhone, which is a 1000 times better.

The same story here for the T91. MS OS sucks for such devices.

^the guy says that the "chopstick" is not needed.. he was using it so his hand wouldn't be in the way..

But I will agree that the touch interface can get much better. I for once prefer to use the smalled buttons (harder at times to hit) than a useless (in comparison) system that is the ipad..

forgive him Otter. He was most likely firing at me.

And yea; sometimes people have odd ways to differ from one's points of view such as insulting, belittling and condescending.

I don't think he was saying for you to get a life, but to czar. You couldn't figure that out? It was obvious, just like czar said, we all aim at him. He is the poor old punching bag.

czar, I really like that link with the Hatorade.

I get were Czar comes from. People throw alot of punches at Windows (even I call it WinBlowz)... but Windows 7 is a pretty nice OS .. I just prefer Mac OS.

Back to the topic "Throw punches at Czar" - Get a amiga commie!

I call it Windoze since there is nothing exciting about it!!!

techielobang.com

www.microsoft.com

"Let's see how long Apple stays on the "no stylus" business model. -Czar."

But there is Dan.

www.corel.com

windows.microsoft.com

www.hp.com

Yawn!!!

alright am leaving this thread, completely pointless..

took you far long to figure that one out... your slippin :)

yeah but you're all still reading it, don't you? :-D

of course not!!! the "Other Guy"

Damnit, what is the exchange rate for old Windows PC and a life?

You guys are entertaining...

so at one point i said that it would not 'change the game' ok so maybe i am wrong as an illustrator i am thinking like wait a minute ... hmmmm

Watchwww.youtube.com

Well this is nice...

To czar & djcerla-

If down the line either, say a year from now, one of you are proven wrong, are you man enough to admit it on this forum (in a new thread titled "I Was Wrong") ???

My point is it's one thing to blast away, but it's tells a lot about your character if you can man up and say publicly that you were wrong.

Any takers?

hey i already did :)
nothing is wrong with saying you are wrong... my kids still flip out when i say it to them :)

Not saying you but, some people find this simple thing extremely difficult.

Kraal that is awesome and shows why Apple is so interested on attacking Adobe..

I was wrong several times on this board, and I have always admitted it. There is no problem in it, as we're humans and we make mistakes :)

however, the guy would just say "ok the ipad sold 15 millions in one year, so what? all marketing, it still sucks". So it's totally pointless.

The iPad is already a runaway hit; it remains to be seen whether it will become a common dj tool; my educated guess is that it will dramatically change the entry level DJ technology, and used by professionals, too, for applications that it's hard to even imagine now.

I have stated here that my preference is a regular laptop over a slate because of the hard keyboard. I think that it comes to preference but what I discuss is usability and this might be worth looking at..

Seriously tho. Do you think it is convenient to not have a single USB port?

www.neofonie.de

so why are you so compelled to write hundreds of posts in the iPad topic?

Because technology is SO much better than the ipad already! it's actually laughable for the price what the ipad can do.

who wants to plug a damn thing to a computer every time one wants to transfer a file? Someone hasn't heard of SD Cards! Hello!

Baterry life sounds good but what happened to the rest of my slate!

And can Apple keep up with Intel already and give the ipad the same battery life? Maybe. We will see. However I tend not to buy anything without a USB port and a SD or MicroSD slot.

Apple hasn't heard of this!

Watchwww.youtube.com

SD CARD
www.google.com

MICRO SD-CARD
www.google.com

USB MEMORY STICK
www.google.com

USB CAMERA
www.google.com

USB MINI MOUSE
www.google.com

USB CD-ROM
www.google.com

RECHARGEABLE MOUSE AND KEYBOARD HOOKED TO AN IPAD DOCK
www.amazon.com

www.androidspin.com

tHIS ONE IS BETTER CERLA TIME TO START PLAYING MORE WITH YOUR SHARES AND LOOK AT OTHER COMPANIES TOO. UNLESS YOU DON'T WANT TO THAT'S FINE AS WELL.