so for computer made tracks, how much do you really need to go through the track and line up the warp markers.

for acapellas, I have no idea how to get these to sound right. any tips?

warp the acapellas to the correct tempo (of the file) before your gig, then Ableton will be able to speed it up or slow it down in tempo the same way as the acapella would be using Ableton only.

thats what I'm wondering, how do you find the warp markers on a track with no beat?

warping is very straighforward
watch this vid
Watchwww.youtube.com

to lyrics, I find the trick is to find where the downbeat of the lyrics is, set that as 1, and warp from there. and if that's not exactly right you can make manual adjustments

every time I try to move the gris around the vocals to find what I feel should be the down beat I get the first half of the some timestretched to go double speed and then the second half out of time with a drum loop.

you'll have to use the lyrics that line up with the "beat" (where there would be one if it wasn't an acapella). it'll take some experimentation though, but you ought to be able to do it without a ton of trouble.

I think one of the problems I have is that I play a ton of funk and disco and it would be so dope to have this stuff properly warped. Some of the newer stuff I play is quantized but most move around tempo wise. But admittedly I've even had trouble properly warping house tracks.

warping is definitley easier in 8 than prev versions

for vocals on sequenced music (i.e. anything quantized like current dance, pop and hip-hop) it's best if you know the BPM of the original song. You then set your first marker at the beginning of your acapella. I then right click or ctrl click the marker and choose "warp from here straight". Then set the tempo of the vocals to the original tracks BPM.

The biggest problem is that it may speed or slow later on as the track may "drift" a hair. At which point I put another marker when needed then drag an "un-marked number after that to adjust the tempo a hair. Repeat if necessary.

Any more hints, hit me up.

for music that is quantized and produced with software or drum machines, ive found that
more than likely all i have to do is correct the first marker "1.1.1" to start at the first downbeat, and then skip all the way to the end of the track and add a warp marker closest to a kick and make a slight adjustment to line it up accordingly. you'll see all the other markers line up to the kicks and snares as well. so you only have to create two markers.

this wont work with vinyl rips due to drift on the turntable while recording. and also wont work with music with live drummers.

Nice. I've had good luck with five or six tracks right clicking on the first kick and hitiing set 1.1.1 here and then warp straight.

I had one track that I lined up completely that would only play out of time with another drum loop I made to line everything up. It wouldn't let me up the tempo above 124. Serato told me the song's tempo was 123. Not sure how to speed it up because all the other tracks I added lined up automatically. I tried to manually change the tracks bmp but as I said 124 was as high as it would go.

wow never seen that one before. is the clip set to master tempo by any chance?
see www.beatmixed.com

I have Live 8 but haven't warped many pure acapellas - in response to OP and others, does anyone know if it is possible to "copy/paste" the markers from a warped track onto another track? If so, possible to warp the instrumental then paste markers onto acapella?

copy/paste markers doesnt seem to work in 8 any more, but this video shows how you can warp multiple tracks simultaneously.

oh yeah.. heres the link =) Watchwww.youtube.com

'way to go mcfly'

actually, seriously, yeah, good man!

Here are some of my tip's that I use when I warp Salsa where most people say you cant warp latin music ;-)
First start in ableton with the BPM of the Track you like to warp
Find the first Beat and set it as 1.1.1 then warp from here (Warpmode I use is Beat not complex or complexpro)
now I use a beat or the metronom to check the marker
Jump forward and try to find a spot where the song start drifting
If not ...ready for the next one
If so set your marker to the beat correct and then do a warp from here again.
Only on some songs I need to use warpmode other then Beat.
The reason why I use Beat is it dosnt need much cpu power
I can run 4 beats and mix with 4 Decks (I call it so :-) on a cpu with 3 to 5 % usage
Hope that help someone.

Here's a little lesson on warping:
www.jethroe.com

Welcome to the first Ableton Mod here :-) and thanks for the link.

i was awaiting to see some ableton mods nice

WOW..an ablemod

Welcome Jesse ;-)

whoa things are going to get interesting now ......

Wooohooooo an Ableton Mod Hurray :-D

Welcome Jesse :-D

Awesome thread. This feature was the main reason I ditched my old production software and started using ableton years ago. I love that program.

Yup totally agree with you Chad, that was also my main reason for switching from Logic to Ableton.

I still use from time to time Logic but GOD knows how much i love Ableton.

I suck at warping, need more practice

It get's very very easy and simple once you get the hang of it trust me :-)

whats the difference between complex, complex pro, beat mode etc?
and are there advantages and disadvantages of each?
i generally have it set to complex but don't really know why!

Those are for the timestrech engin..

Complex and Complex pro are normal for songs with not so much beats or bass in it and they are cpu hungry.
Beat is if you have a drum line or clear beat line in the sample and use not much cpu.

Yeah the more timestrech it needs to more CPU power it will chew on.

If you guys need any beta testers I own Ableton Suite 8 and ITCH (NS7).... I would love to test out The Bridge! Great work and I cannot wait to play with it. Thanks!

heres a Q for the experience guys. how do I make it so all my clips launch on the same 8 count?

Generally I use complex mode, set a small loop from the beginning of the aca, and work my way through the vocal with the metronome on, moving the loop as I work through it.
If anyone has a faster workflow I'd like to hear it.

@casket hands
depend on what all my clips is ?
You can use the Clip automation or you use the Bar on top of ableton where you can set the timing for starting clips and start them on your own.

Yeah correct, if you want to start as soon as you press start set Bar at 1.

scene launch, in ableton its the buttons all the way to the right.

actually this is one of the features about Mixtape that I'm stoked about.

I hate warping acapellas in ableton and sometimes just end up pitch-riding the acapella on the decks. Being able to do that directly into an abelton file will be a godsend.

for un-quantized beats, there's really no solution other than to go in there and drop a ton of markers.

However, you want to be careful - i find warping every beat will make the track sound a little over-warped and you lose the groove and feel of a live drummer

soo, isn't there a setting you can apply to give it more of a live feel? I thought there was some groove button or something.

lol, maybe I dreamed it.

In Live 8, you can apply a grooves and even extract them from other tracks. It adds that "live feel". Also, Ableton comes preloaded with a bunch of default grooves you apply and mess around with. They have a free 30 day trial, so check it out if you do not have a copy.

Also, there is some great hardware for working with Live. I have an APC40 and love it.

This link explains the groove engine better than me :)

audio.tutsplus.com

Yeah I thought there was something...


...looking at that upcoming apc20. Nice little unit right there :)

an extra 15 - 17 inch monitor that I can clip onto my stand would be nice too.

*clap clap clap* Welcome!

We might know abit more info's on The Bridge after tomorow, since theres the Serato/Ableton Trowdown tomorow. Maybe they got a few last treasur up their sleeves.

www.ableton-serato.com

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Hi Jethroe...Great tip btw.

Off topic: Is there any chance that you can adapt your 'Mastering Chain' to work on Live7...would love to try this out as have not got a clue on mastering/compression etc other than basic levels.

Would come in handy for tightening up my edits for sure!

Cheers,

K

Ableton noob question:

I am finally starting to figure out warping and got a short demo mix tracked out in Session View. I tried to export it to .wav and it only exported the first track. How do I export the whole mix? Do I have to record it internally first? I tried to start a new audio track and record there, but the audio is coming in all distorted and clipping. How do I fix this?

Thanks in advance!

so how is thr bridge comming on is it in release candidate yet?

youll prob see a public beta LOONG before a RC is released

Check Open Labs
Watchwww.youtube.com

damn that link was sweet, kinda helped me a bit

now im starting to see how transition tracks can be made

Greetings Jesse, fancy seeing you here ;)

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I believe if you drag the loop brackets it will export whatever is between them. When I tack out a mix I export separate tracks this way

* track

yep me too.

To warp an acapella correctly set the 1.1.1 where the very first beat of that song would be (use the actual track for reference). Then move down 8 bars at a time checking if the whole number you land one has a beat on it. if not then create a yellow warp marker on the nearest beat and drag it so it lines up with the whole number. Use the actual track as reference the whole time you do this!! and repeat this step every 8 bars until u finish warping. Hope that helps!

also select warp mode - complex

Hey folks - I have a question: Does anyone have any tips for warping clips in a mixtape session? For example, if I don't like the way I performed a mix because it goes off a bit, are there examples of techniques for warping that will enable me to being things back into step? This is the main appeal of mixtape for me, and I'm having trouble getting this part right.

Thanks!

mixtape doesn't snap to a grid - you basically have to go in and warp the waveform as close to the other track as you can if you're trying to fix drifts.

Basically, stack the two tracks above each other, zoom in, and line up the transients so they're directly in sync.