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Sony Vegas - Rendering as an Uncompressed .avi

DJ Vega 4:06 PM - 23 December, 2009
OK guys I need your help. I’ve been editing music videos in Sony Vegas for over 3 years now, but I have never been happy with the video quality of the Mainconcept mp4 encoder. As a result, I have been doing what many here have suggested: render out of Vegas as an uncompressed avi, then encode the avi to an mp4 using your encoder of choice. Well for me, MediaCoder seems to be giving me the best quality out of all the encoders that I have tried. Just last night, I finally figured out how to get MediaCoder to render my uncompressed avi’s out of Vegas. However, I’m noticing a slight problem and I was wondering if someone might be able to help me out.

OK here’s the deal. I’m using .vobs ripped from Promo Only DVDs as the source material. I encode the vob to an mp4 using MediaCoder, and the quality is amazing (I’d be happy to post my preset, just ask if you are interested!). Next, I take the same vob and import it into Vegas. Usually I would then edit the file in my normal workflow, but for simplicity, I just render the vob out of Vegas as an uncompressed avi. Now, I convert this avi to an mp4 in MediaCoder and compare it with the mp4 that I converted directly from the PO vob. The vob that was directly converted looks better to me. I notice that the colors look more vibrant, and even the PO chyron looks cleaner.

My question is, is this due to deinterlacing when rendering to an avi? I have my Vegas project set to “interpolate fields.” If I set the deinterlacing to “None” in Vegas, the colors and PO chyron look great (same as vob directly converted), but then I get the interlacing artifacts during the video. Is there a way to render out of Vegas as an uncompressed avi without altering the video at all?

Any assistance that you guys can provide would be greatly appreciated! I’ve been struggling with this for way too long…LOL

Many thanks,
Chris
marx 5:43 PM - 23 December, 2009
If I read right, u like the way the vob to media coder video looks. This answer is assuming that the video u like from media coder is being deinterlaced.

Perhaps media coder is doing a better job deinterlacing as there is many different methods. So if this is the case just don't deinterlace with vegas. Set project to not blend fields "none" and also "progressive" u will also need to do it on ur render settings.

Also I will add that vegas does mess with the color spacing, but my knowledge is limited there.
DJ Vega 7:29 PM - 23 December, 2009
marx, thanks so much for the quick reply!

When I set the project deinterlacing option to "none" and use "progressive scan" I am seeing horizontal lines in the resulting avi file. Then if I render that avi file to an mp4 in MediaCoder, the horizontal lines are still there, even though deinterlacing is set to YADIF = 0 in MediaCoder. Any ideas?

Sorry if I'm missing something simple, but this is driving me crazy. What editing software do you guys at SmashVidz use, FCP?
Rebelguy 7:47 PM - 23 December, 2009
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marx, thanks so much for the quick reply!

When I set the project deinterlacing option to "none" and use "progressive scan" I am seeing horizontal lines in the resulting avi file. Then if I render that avi file to an mp4 in MediaCoder, the horizontal lines are still there, even though deinterlacing is set to YADIF = 0 in MediaCoder. Any ideas?

Sorry if I'm missing something simple, but this is driving me crazy. What editing software do you guys at SmashVidz use, FCP?


Marx has little elves using magic on all his videos to make them look good.
DJ-Phat-AL 7:53 PM - 23 December, 2009
elves!! HA!! Ant is an ELF!! I will have to tell him that....
itchie 8:38 PM - 23 December, 2009
when i used to use the workflow your using (exactly) i used to put some effects on the output in Vegas. it was contrast, saturation, and motion blur. motion blur is what got rid (covered up really) most of the artifacts. in think i set it to .4 pixels. the other two got back some of the 'washed out-ness' that Vegas adds.
Joshua Carl 10:19 PM - 23 December, 2009
I do something simular, but i think i have the blend option picked in vegas.

I also use media coder for simple converts...and I find they do look great.
(alos using the yadif de-interlace)

but i always feared generation loss.
so I just started rendering straight out of vegas (with some tweaks on the basics;
color correction, contrast, sharpness/blur, black restore.

I know some guys here are fans of sorenson, im gonna give that a try too.
but media coder is so simple, and yields good results.

Vega, if i remember right I think we have the same preset file?

v
Gregg R 11:12 PM - 23 December, 2009
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elves!! HA!! Ant is an ELF!! I will have to tell him that....



yea, i giggled at that one..........
marx 11:15 PM - 23 December, 2009
sorry can't quote with my phone.

Setting to none and progressive = interlaced (with po is correct)

But u have to deinterlace with the encoder with this method.

I'm not to familiar with media coder, but ur missing something because u say u take ur po dvds and put them in media coder and u like the result. So I'm assuming no interlacing. Only difference is the files being imported, maybe media coder is picking the output settings depending on the file being imported. Its possible its looking at the flags in the vob, but I doubt it.

I personally have seen really good results with just vegas. But another way of doing it would be to take the vob import into media coder, deinterlace there, export as avi and then edit that with vegas, render progressive. Hahaha. But man that's crazy.

There's one mac at smash, for serato n mixing. Vegas all the way. Encoding is done magically with the elves fairy dust that is compatible with the gigabit network :-)

ffmpg bby! Break out the command line.
djpuma_gemini 12:03 AM - 24 December, 2009
can you tell them elves to make the jay sean do you remember video and change blenx to acap in and out with just 8 bars not 16.

Merry Christmas
DJ-Phat-AL 12:13 AM - 24 December, 2009
I am wondering if in the off season... meaning not Christmas ... that Marx uses Umpa Lumpas instead of elves.
Rebelguy 1:29 AM - 24 December, 2009
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I am wondering if in the off season... meaning not Christmas ... that Marx uses Umpa Lumpas instead of elves.


He can't they are all working at Rane and Serato.
marx 6:19 AM - 24 December, 2009
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can you tell them elves to make the jay sean do you remember video and change blenx to acap in and out with just 8 bars not 16.

Merry Christmas


sorry that's not us chief
Millz 4:04 PM - 24 December, 2009
im not an oompa loompa :)
djpuma_gemini 4:54 PM - 24 December, 2009
Not us. Hmmm

Ok
Dj Nyce 2:50 AM - 1 January, 2010
vega post up your mediacoder xml. by default mediacoder does not de-interlace or adds any post effects. you may just be missing a setting in the vegas export settings
naturalbeautyboy 2:33 AM - 9 December, 2011
AVI is a multimedia container format which may carry audio/visual data inside in virtually any compression scheme, including Full Frame (Uncompressed), Intel Real Time (Indeo), Cinepak, Motion JPEG, Editable MPEG, VDOWave, ClearVideo / RealVideo, QPEG, and MPEG-4 Video. However, Sony Vegas can only work with AVI which is in Motion JPEG scheme or in DV codec.

In order to successfully import, open and edit all kinds of AVI in Sony Vegas, we had better convert it to Vegas more friendly video format like DV.


Step by step guide on how to convert and import all kinds of AVI to Sony Vegas at www.bigasoft.com
djnak 5:22 AM - 9 December, 2011
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AVI is a multimedia container format which may carry audio/visual data inside in virtually any compression scheme, including Full Frame (Uncompressed), Intel Real Time (Indeo), Cinepak, Motion JPEG, Editable MPEG, VDOWave, ClearVideo / RealVideo, QPEG, and MPEG-4 Video. However, Sony Vegas can only work with AVI which is in Motion JPEG scheme or in DV codec.

In order to successfully import, open and edit all kinds of AVI in Sony Vegas, we had better convert it to Vegas more friendly video format like DV.


Step by step guide on how to convert and import all kinds of AVI to Sony Vegas at www.bigasoft.com



must take ya a long time to type...seeing as the post before yours was 2 years ago...
DjFuentes82 3:55 PM - 16 December, 2011
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AVI is a multimedia container format which may carry audio/visual data inside in virtually any compression scheme, including Full Frame (Uncompressed), Intel Real Time (Indeo), Cinepak, Motion JPEG, Editable MPEG, VDOWave, ClearVideo / RealVideo, QPEG, and MPEG-4 Video. However, Sony Vegas can only work with AVI which is in Motion JPEG scheme or in DV codec.

In order to successfully import, open and edit all kinds of AVI in Sony Vegas, we had better convert it to Vegas more friendly video format like DV.


Step by step guide on how to convert and import all kinds of AVI to Sony Vegas at www.bigasoft.com



must take ya a long time to type...seeing as the post before yours was 2 years ago...

Lol