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you can sync ssl with abelton via the djm-800 using the djm-800 midi out as the master...same idea as the red sound but built into the mixer

i was under the impression that ssl isnt midi compatible????

which is no problem, cause the djm-800 sends the midi clock signal to _ableton_, so ableton is synced to SSL, not vice versa. in a few weeks i'm gonna try exactly that, i hope it will work.

Yep yep, so basically anything that can take in an audio signal and spit out a MIDI clock will work...it's just that the RedSound unit there is really slick. It can add MIDI to just about any setup.

Also a new Kaoss Pad 3 is coming out, has some new interesting features, including audio to MIDI sync...

ok cool didnt realise it worked the same way as the red sound kit........any word on how accurate the djm is compared to the red sound coz iv heard the red sound is ridicolously accurate

No Idea.. next week i'll try to find a dealer letting me try out the djm800 with ableton.

if the 57 will read the beats for it's effects i don't see why that can't be converted into a midi signal for both users witha 57 and a SL1 and save these kind of work arounds.

well the 57 is only two channel id like to use a 4 channel mixer so i can have 2 from serato and then one from ableton and one from another source or 2 from ableton(im getting big ideas i know but hey need to do something different)

yeah but my point is that if it can read the BPM and match the tempo of the EFX to the Music BPM surely it can send a midi signal like it sends a signal to the effects?

Dosne't really matter what mixer you use be it 1-10 channels if it can read BPM's surely that can make it send Midi signals.

well im sure the trick is in changing the bpm into midi time code accuratley dont know how easy or hard this is (prob not too hard) but my point is that the 57 has no need for it as it is only a 2 channel mixer so to use ableton or whatever else you will have to get another mixer/interface anywayso either way will still be same amount of hassle imo

not in the slightest.... you have a aux in/flex returnt etc.. don't you, so could easily pass abelton through the 57 as well..

well sorry i should mention that i dont have a 57 and therefore dont know exactly what ins and outs it has but i can only imagine that it would be a big job to get ssl to send the midi code to ableton in the computer internally as they would have to be linked with some sort of software kind of like rewire..........to do it out of the box and thru the 57mixer would recquire a midi port(dont know if it has one) or a second usb port or some other kind of digital output that would take its place....all these options " out of the box" would recquire another interface to get the signal back into the computer to ableton.....as far as i know the 57 can act as a proper "audio interface" but that dosnt mean it can send midi code nescesarily

anyway this is kind of off the point i have no intention of buying the 57 either way (i was close though) i want it all done with as little fuss as possible

uhm the 57 uses USB, most midi contollers now use usb...

job done.

no need to get shirty, i don't use a57 either, but seeing as SSL is usb and midi can be sent via useb. whats the problem?

i know the 57 has a usb but im not sure if usb can send enough information simaltaneously so it can deal with 2channels of high quality music and midi time code if it can then that gets rid of the need for some of the gear i said but unless you turn the 57 into a "proper" midi interface you still have the problem of sending the midi to ableton........
another thing that this wouldnt cater for is if you use a seperate laptop for ableton and serato (ill be using the same one but alot of people wouldnt)

and i still think youd need another audio interface to get the music back out of ableton as im fairly sure the usb wont be able to deal with all 3 together but again dont know that for a fact.........

my general point (i think) is that its alot easier for other companies to make these dedicated little boxes than it is for rane to change there design wheather hardware or software which will only be used by a minority(maybe a biggish minority)

Couldn't you run Ableton into the Aux input of the mixer through your computer's soundcard?

fair play mate, i see where your coming from. think we are asking for the same thing anyway... just eulogising towards solutions.

I'll be suing them both on the same Laptop as well... so i'd like to see some kind of rewire support for midi timecoding... or some kind of midi pipe between the two programs...

ye im sure you could i wouldnt use the onboard sound card for anything as i have a large interface in the studio anyway but im sure with the right drivers it can be done
can you assign the aux in to a fader control??? if you could then thats an option but if not i think id like as much control over ableton as i have for the other channels............
but i suppose we will wait for neth to check out the 800 and im sure hell let us know how he gets on

i think you could use the flex control which is fader based as far as i know... can't run it through the main x-fader but it'd give you basically the same control as channel one and two minus x-fader...

i've never used the sl-1 with the mic input. when you use it with a mic where does the sound come out? both channels simultaneously? or is it only for recording your voice?

I think the SL1's Mic input is a thru...and you send the output into whatever channel your mixer uses for a mic. You just run it through the sl1 for recording.

ok. i see it now. i dont suppose theres a way for serato to output things [sample drops, sound from another program once asia drivers are made, etc] through that is there? probably a routing probelm preventing that.

well if it is a thru it has no connection to the computer and therefore no way for the computer to have the signal "jump" onto that signal path so ye it would be a hardware routing prob........but can you not record your voice????

yeah, the mic input feeds into serato but i dont know if serato can feed out the mic output.

well that would be a software fix then thehardware should be fine

thats what i'm saying. i don't know if the hardware has the ability for serato to output to the mic out.

so where are we at with this one?!

I have just bought serato which I am running on my mac powerbook laptop

I also have plans to start integrating ableton live into my dj sets as I currently use the program to do some disco edits, mess around with acappellas, etc.

So can I realistically run ableton & serato off the same laptop (maybe with a second screen) or is it advisable to run 2 laptops?

Also... I just have a "normal' mixer so don't have any kind of midiclock output

an interesing link to the red sound soundbyte micro

www.abletonlivedj.com

New plugin.
Serato live software knows what the actual BPM is on both the SL1 and the TTM57. The plugin just needs to read the value form the same memory location the display does and convert it to MIDI.
The hard part (figuring out the BPM) is already done. Just need to do bpm to tempo now.

Hey Serato/RANE, Will you be allowing third party plugins and who do I talk to about the legal stuff if I want to write one?

I want a plugin like that!!!

thougth about it too, software shoulnt be hard to make, if u can.

There is already bmp conters that listens to the soundcard, just make it send a sync signal too =)