Serato Software Feature Suggestions

What features would you like to see in Serato software?

Why not ditch the computer?

cmos master 6:32 AM - 15 October, 2009
Hey Serato and Rane,

You've built a cool product, which I own and enjoy. Other people tried and failed and you have clearly dominated the market. However, the computer engineer inside me wonders, why do you still have the USB umbilical cord connected to a PC running software? Have you thought of putting an FPGA inside of the RANE TTM57SL, hook up a touch screen, run an RTOS like QNX and have a fully functional, standalone unit that is just a part of the mixer. That means one box like people are already used too. It's just a bigger mixer with a display, no USB cord, no laptop, no mouse. It sits on the DJ table without needing to add a new spot for a computer to sit. And you don't have to buy a laptop to "scratch live". Granted, I am greatly simplifying a rather complex problem, but it is possible. The FPGA can handle decode for multiple codecs real-time, and deal with the timecode vinyl, most likely with some extra left over for real-time effects plus an embedded processor or an external ASSP to run the GUI. Put down some DDR2 for queueing up tracks and then a USB port to pop in a thumbdrive with music on it. Now the DJ shows up for a gig with a 4GB thumbdrive! What do you think?
Charlie 10:31 AM - 15 October, 2009
This would be really difficult, even for the Scratch Live team, to execute properly. Performing routine maintenance in Scratch Live will be an utter pain in a device like this - things like adding/modifying tracks, moving things into/out of crates, setting BPM values, typing in comments, and so on. Plus the price would be extremely high (the 57SL is already very expensive) and the unit would be much larger and more fragile / prone to problems. I think Rane/Serato have done a good job focusing on what they can do well while resisting the urge to try and do everything at once. They didn't get where they are by creating products with the most features but by taking a simplistic approach to solving basics needs. This just sounds like too big a mountain for even Serato to climb at this point.
matiki 7:10 PM - 15 October, 2009
Besides laptops are dead cheap nowadays with more computational power than you'd ever need for such a job...

Reliability is the word of the day!
Laz219 9:28 PM - 15 October, 2009
I agree with the above..

It'd be very easy for this mixer to go down and you're basically screwed (unless your carrying a spare which given the price i'd expect i'd highly doubt) With SSL running through a USB card at least if something happens to your laptop you can easily switch another one in.

The other thing is getting them around...The only reason I wouldn't buy a TTM-57SL is because I wouldn't want to carry it around between places, a laptop and the SL unit is a lot easier.
Laz219 9:28 PM - 15 October, 2009
Come to think of it, seems like a CDJ-2000 might suit you perfectly.
cmos master 1:09 AM - 16 October, 2009
Hey guys,

This wouldn't necessarily be much bigger or more fragile or weigh more than a normal mixer or be less reliable, and it would remove the need to have the SL unit completely. It would, in fact, be largely MORE reliable. Saying that this is at risk of "going down" is similar to saying a big sound board is at risk of going down, some of the high end units from DigiDesign use FPGAs inside to do similar things. You would just connect the turntables directly to the mixer and then to ADCs connected to the FPGA. When you drop a digital media file to a turntable, it would load from the external flash storage into the FPGA where it would be converted to RAW audio from whatever codec it is, and loaded into DDR. It would then load buffers of the audio track into FPGA internal SRAM buffers which it would play out to DACs based on the timecode input from the ADCs. At first, this could be accomplished quite simply without any fancy features, no touch screen, no effects, just a simple LCD display to show the list of songs on the thumbdrive and a simple button on each side to select that song to load for a particular turntable. You wouldn't get the displays, the fancy software, but you also wouldn't have to interface to a PC and a keyboard in order to play digital music as if you own the vinyl and would reduce the "lag" between vinyl movement and audio output as close to zero as possible.
skinnyguy 8:12 PM - 16 October, 2009
cdj 2000, cdj900, or those older denon units...what was it....hs...something?
cmos master 5:29 AM - 19 October, 2009
Clearly the reason they are not designing something like this is because the market isn't there. I'll consider the question answered.
Evil_banana 11:12 AM - 19 October, 2009
I think some market is there, I mean, you already have some products like TT's and CD-players with built in harddrive that kind of behave the way you describe (almost). But I think the market isn't that big. The SL-unit allows for flexibility in equipment, you can use whatever mixer, whatever Turntable, or whatever CD-player you want and use that with SSL. And that's the power of this concept I think. You can stick to your favourite mixer. And also, you can go as cheap or as expensive as you want.

People like choice and I think that's why your concept wouldn't be popular enough.
my 0.02$
BERTO 3:01 AM - 20 October, 2009
Wazo 8:11 PM - 28 October, 2009
good idea but prob would be thousands of dollars. so a seperate computer would be affordable. considering SL3 is already around $800 is most places alone.
Caramac 10:45 AM - 16 November, 2009
Nice idea but I can see it being cost prohibitive for most.