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more success with bad mixtapes?
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more success with bad mixtapes?
DJ Hondai
5:44 PM - 1 August, 2006
While djing for about 10 years, I've done alot of mixtapes for personal and promotional use. Reviewing the feedback made me wonder:
In my heart I'm very dedicated in presenting a perfect mix without any flaws in beatmatching or scratching (ok I'm not that much in scratching anyways). My Mix-Cds used to sound like mix-compilations out of the store. People listening to that react like: "Quite good - nice track selection"
People didn't appreciate the immaculate mixing technique.
That changed my mind.
I experienced much more acceptance and respect by any listener but other DJs, when I left the little mixing-mistakes that happen sometimes and do some more foolin' around, so the non-pros can recognize it's been recorded live. Than you get to hear: "Way cool mixing man, that was incredible!"
Funny isn't it?
In my heart I'm very dedicated in presenting a perfect mix without any flaws in beatmatching or scratching (ok I'm not that much in scratching anyways). My Mix-Cds used to sound like mix-compilations out of the store. People listening to that react like: "Quite good - nice track selection"
People didn't appreciate the immaculate mixing technique.
That changed my mind.
I experienced much more acceptance and respect by any listener but other DJs, when I left the little mixing-mistakes that happen sometimes and do some more foolin' around, so the non-pros can recognize it's been recorded live. Than you get to hear: "Way cool mixing man, that was incredible!"
Funny isn't it?
nik39
5:48 PM - 1 August, 2006
Lol.
You pass out a mix which has a lil different tracklisting than the others, people bug out. You give them the same sh!t the know from MTV, they will love you and you will get the new job at the club. ;)
You pass out a mix which has a lil different tracklisting than the others, people bug out. You give them the same sh!t the know from MTV, they will love you and you will get the new job at the club. ;)
punosion
5:55 PM - 1 August, 2006
Interesting angle. When I first heard a mix by a DJ using three tables...I mean, REALLY using them...I'm not so sure I would have appreciated it if it were completely flawless.
Pete Moss
7:46 PM - 1 August, 2006
I hate mix tapes, they're useless. I don't know how a club owner thinks they can judge you by listening to a CD in the car or his office. Without a crowd and the whole effect, there is no good way to judge a DJ solely by a mixtape.
A live audition is way better, because the owner can watch you rescue a dancefloor after the guy ahead of you plays a real fart. Or simply by seeing the patrons faces when you dust off a classic. I'm glad I haven't needed one in years.
A live audition is way better, because the owner can watch you rescue a dancefloor after the guy ahead of you plays a real fart. Or simply by seeing the patrons faces when you dust off a classic. I'm glad I haven't needed one in years.
Dj Ryme
7:48 PM - 1 August, 2006
I enjoy making mixtapes and all my friends enjoy when I do them, thats enough for me.
Sim
11:53 PM - 1 August, 2006
QFT
quoted for truth for my internet illiterate, well that just defeated the purpose of me using the short hand
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I enjoy making mixtapes and all my friends enjoy when I do them, thats enough for me.QFT
quoted for truth for my internet illiterate, well that just defeated the purpose of me using the short hand
DJ Hondai
7:29 AM - 2 August, 2006
Sure, it shouldn't be too many mistakes... just some, where you can show, that you are able to pick up the speed again quickly and don't get confused by something like that.
It happened to me (with my flawless mixtapes), that some people asked me, if I did that live? They refused to believe that, 'cause they weren't attending, when I was recording it.
Today it's no big deal to produce perfect mixtapes by just using a PC and aligning the tracks in beat with some software and adding some efx or prerecorded scratches... People are suspicious...
And don't overvalue the club managers - they mainly are pros for finance not for music. Many of'em can't even tell when you start to blend into the next track "still the same song, what a bummer!?"
Sure as a DJ you all know very well, when something goes wrong in a mix, but people are much more forgiving - especially when they feel that a mix is done live - I've seen too many DJs who can't beatmatch properly, but the crowd was still rocking to the music - and later on they say "why are you bitchin', I didn't hear that anything bad"
Same with mixing CDs or Vinyls - a DJ mixing CDs has to perform way better than a vinyl guy to receive the same attention. I know it sounds somehow stupid - and yes it is...
It happened to me (with my flawless mixtapes), that some people asked me, if I did that live? They refused to believe that, 'cause they weren't attending, when I was recording it.
Today it's no big deal to produce perfect mixtapes by just using a PC and aligning the tracks in beat with some software and adding some efx or prerecorded scratches... People are suspicious...
And don't overvalue the club managers - they mainly are pros for finance not for music. Many of'em can't even tell when you start to blend into the next track "still the same song, what a bummer!?"
Sure as a DJ you all know very well, when something goes wrong in a mix, but people are much more forgiving - especially when they feel that a mix is done live - I've seen too many DJs who can't beatmatch properly, but the crowd was still rocking to the music - and later on they say "why are you bitchin', I didn't hear that anything bad"
Same with mixing CDs or Vinyls - a DJ mixing CDs has to perform way better than a vinyl guy to receive the same attention. I know it sounds somehow stupid - and yes it is...
DJ Hondai
7:46 AM - 2 August, 2006
... and don't forget, often the bookings are done by the resident DJs - and they don't like to be outperformed ;-)
nik39
8:45 AM - 2 August, 2006
What an ignorant statement. Just b/c they are not useful for club purposes I never would say they are useless in general. There is more in live than clubs and money and hoes and cars and bling bling. ;)
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I hate mix tapes, they're useless.What an ignorant statement. Just b/c they are not useful for club purposes I never would say they are useless in general. There is more in live than clubs and money and hoes and cars and bling bling. ;)
Pete Moss
10:26 AM - 2 August, 2006
nik, I know they're great for handing out and giving to friends, but at was speaking in regards to a use for business purposes.
nik39
10:36 AM - 2 August, 2006
Okay, misunderstanding. Some more words in such cases would be good to avoid confusion :)
I know that it is also good for business purposes here. Get a very good mixtape in one of the german hiphop mags, see how your wages go up. Of course that only apply to tapes which are commercially available, not those self burned 10 pieces quantity mixtapes.
I know that it is also good for business purposes here. Get a very good mixtape in one of the german hiphop mags, see how your wages go up. Of course that only apply to tapes which are commercially available, not those self burned 10 pieces quantity mixtapes.
Dirty Needles Kill !
10:44 AM - 2 August, 2006
I love mixtapes, but not so much as an example of tune selection. I see them as a way for a DJ to show off some creativity and do things they wouldn't be able to do live.
For instance multi tracking sections with crazy DJ Noise style word cuts, or switching up the beat on an acapella every couple of bars. Inserting your own produced beats, interludes, whatever. It's really a chance to howcase
I remember when I firt heard JS-1 and Spinbad... I was blown away, and spent 2 months in my bedroom with an old school 4 track making my own version.
For instance multi tracking sections with crazy DJ Noise style word cuts, or switching up the beat on an acapella every couple of bars. Inserting your own produced beats, interludes, whatever. It's really a chance to howcase
I remember when I firt heard JS-1 and Spinbad... I was blown away, and spent 2 months in my bedroom with an old school 4 track making my own version.
jizzer
11:10 AM - 2 August, 2006
I've wanted to say this for a while, but I thought it was probably obvious but...
I don't think regular people ever think a D.J. is doing anything at all. I don't think regular people even know it's a D.J. who does the tricks on the radio, even though they can hear cutting etc. - it's like the OP said...it's the mistakes that make a person aware that someone is doing something.
I had a D.J. friend for many years that would send me mixtapes (he was a big DJ) and he'd ask me what I thought...and I was always confused as to what he wanted me to say?? I was thinking...this is someone else's music...just put together...which is cool I guess if you want your crush to know how you feel about her, but the idea of a mixtape as a work of effort completely escaped me.
Just look at a D.J. from a regular persons perspective....they appear to be so relaxed it just doesn't look hard. And everybody claims to be a D.J. which also makes it seem easy.
I've been surprised as I've gotten into DJ'ing, because really, NO ONE (regular people) has a clue as to 99% of most of this sh*t at all IMHO.
I don't think regular people ever think a D.J. is doing anything at all. I don't think regular people even know it's a D.J. who does the tricks on the radio, even though they can hear cutting etc. - it's like the OP said...it's the mistakes that make a person aware that someone is doing something.
I had a D.J. friend for many years that would send me mixtapes (he was a big DJ) and he'd ask me what I thought...and I was always confused as to what he wanted me to say?? I was thinking...this is someone else's music...just put together...which is cool I guess if you want your crush to know how you feel about her, but the idea of a mixtape as a work of effort completely escaped me.
Just look at a D.J. from a regular persons perspective....they appear to be so relaxed it just doesn't look hard. And everybody claims to be a D.J. which also makes it seem easy.
I've been surprised as I've gotten into DJ'ing, because really, NO ONE (regular people) has a clue as to 99% of most of this sh*t at all IMHO.
Dj Ryme
4:12 PM - 2 August, 2006
This shit is getting me in the mood to put together a nex mix.... it's been 3 months already damnit!!
djskeetz
4:25 PM - 2 August, 2006
yeah shit. anyone know how much it cost to lazer scribe custom made CD's?
AMF
6:39 PM - 7 August, 2006
This thread has got me wanting to do another mix cd too. Plus my homeboy let me use his bravo 2 to print cds with!
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