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Virtual DJ VS. Serato ITCH

DjJaYrOcK 6:57 AM - 22 August, 2009
What do you think is better for NS7? Can you use both?
kraal 7:46 AM - 22 August, 2009
i own vdj and icth but honestly have not used virtual dj for one gig since i started using itch
wadup 2:29 PM - 22 August, 2009
i saw the video of the ns7 and vdj on youtube i'm very impress can't wait... i check thier website everyday to check if the release 6.2
wadup 2:50 PM - 22 August, 2009
DJ Larry D 2009 VDJ Live Video Set

vids.myspace.com
Maskrider 4:21 PM - 22 August, 2009
Every Pirate that I know uses VDJ for Video mixing.....Personally I'm not really interested on Video mixing but it would be nice if ITCH can do that.

So I can convert my Concert Videos.
DjJaYrOcK 4:44 PM - 22 August, 2009
So what Im getting from all this is that Itch is good for audio and vdj is good for video.
Is it possible to use both with NS7?
kraal 5:11 PM - 22 August, 2009
from what i hear yes ... but i have yet to personally see it done well
DjJaYrOcK 5:15 PM - 22 August, 2009
Can you use them both simultaniously?
kraal 5:17 PM - 22 August, 2009
i have for the sampler in virtual dj
KLH 9:32 PM - 22 August, 2009
I admire the features in VDJ, but would still use ITCH in the hopes that ITCH will eventually get those features... eventually.

-KLH
BadBoyChubs 11:51 PM - 22 August, 2009
I use VDJ with my hercules rmx, and love it bu i get use to my ns7 and ich, that i have fun with my mixes jus as much, I dont miss the effects , i use KUE IT for Sampling,
DjJaYrOcK 8:26 AM - 25 August, 2009
Have either of you used VDJ with the NS7?

Also, I just got my NS7 today and I plugged it to my laptop and got no audio to come out. Does anyone know how to have audio come out the laptop with the controller plugged in?
kraal 8:30 AM - 25 August, 2009
it doesnt come out the laptop you need to connect to speakers
DjJaYrOcK 8:41 AM - 25 August, 2009
What are you using for effects? This think has none!
KLH 3:23 PM - 25 August, 2009
(shakes head)
kraal 3:27 PM - 25 August, 2009
someone needed to take a few minutes researching before purchasing
DJ+Remedy 8:55 PM - 25 August, 2009
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i own vdj and icth but honestly have not used virtual dj for one gig since i started using itch


Same here. I used VDJ for about 7 years (including the time when it was called AtomixMP3). It is a great software product, and brought me into the DJ world. But with the combination of Itch and VCI-300 it was a wrap for me and VDJ. I do miss the ability to use effects, samples, and such but the hands-on control and is much better with Serato. Since I got the VCI-300 w/ Itch package back in September 2008.

For a starter DJ I'd say VDJ is easier to use, cheaper, and you really don't need to any controller since you can map all the keyboard functions to the software's actions.
DJdaveZ 5:18 AM - 26 August, 2009
kraal i saw someone doing it up hard at the dj expo on NS7 with Virtual... the video mixing was hot...

the thing is... itch will have video support by next summer for sure... itch is so much simpler... it looks better, its easier to use, and its solid.
kraal 11:17 AM - 26 August, 2009
[quotei saw someone doing it up hard at the dj expo on NS7 with Virtual...
see i saw a video of that too.... but i also own vdj and have a friend that owns an ns7 and have not got it to personally to work.... the dj expo maybe an advanced beta :)
KLH 5:26 PM - 26 August, 2009
Taken from here: www.djforums.com (Post #9)

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but be warned. I went to the expo this year where i saw larry d and the whole virtual dj setup...they had windows 7 beta with VDJ 6.0.2 beta running. 6.0.1 does not support NS7 yet...and windows 7 is supposedly a lot better with midi. VISTA IS GARBAGE with midi.
i will stick to my TC system with technics until something like denon 3700 are 100% accurate with full midi effect.


I don't think that VDJ has released this version yet.
Charile Wilson 4:38 PM - 29 August, 2009
Yes, it is now released
L2daGee 8:14 PM - 29 August, 2009
No question. Itch is way better!!!!! It's basically ScratchLive (the industry standard) with a new skin.
Dj Beware 12:24 AM - 30 August, 2009
I still prefer ITCH to Virtual Dj, installed the new VDJ 6.02 today which has much better VCI300 and NS7 support, now after using ITCH for almost a year, I much prefer the "less is more scenario", especially since I don't do video, and I kinda not really touching Windows too much anymore......All I miss from VDJ is the sampler.........but I already solved that issue... :) www.serato.com and I suspect Serato will sort that soon as well...............effects I am not really missing either....
BadBoyChubs 2:40 AM - 30 August, 2009
I agree with dj beware, i feel the same way, even though i use VDJ with my hercules i does really use the effects. the sampler, i use KUEIT now so one less problem.
Charile Wilson 9:45 AM - 30 August, 2009
I don't buy audio anymore just video, I bought scratch but didn't really do much research into it. I think I have to get Video SL plugin to play video! it's just a bummer Serato Scratch doesn't have any decent all in ones that work with it. Obviously this is so people buy Itch but what about those that have Scratch already? you have to ditch that now and buy n use itch! seems silly but I'm sure it makes them lots of money
DJ MDX 1:10 PM - 30 August, 2009
Shaking my head - ridiculous!
kraal 1:18 PM - 30 August, 2009
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but I'm sure it makes them lots of money

yup that what it is all about has nothing to do with giving a dj quality equiptment it's all just a piramid scheme
Charile Wilson 1:39 PM - 30 August, 2009
yep
casket hands 6:51 PM - 30 August, 2009
my wallet is still hurting from forking out for itch.
kraal 7:05 PM - 30 August, 2009
my wallet is actually fatter... i have tripled my income since i got itch
DJdaveZ 7:16 PM - 30 August, 2009
turntables or cdj's + mixer + SSL box = at LEAST 1000 bucks... (then you need cases to travel)
VCI300 + itch = 650-700 on ebay (box it was packaged in worked for me for the first couple months of traveling)
DJdaveZ 7:19 PM - 30 August, 2009
i think by next summer itch will have most of the same features as SSL... but with that one to one control that we all love about itch. FX coming soon... video will be coming... basically it will be the same, but only made to run with the usb midi controllers. I'd love to see itch support for pioneer cdj400's with a midi mixer. maybe the SEP-C1...
casket hands 7:23 PM - 30 August, 2009
sarcasm meter broken
kraal 7:24 PM - 30 August, 2009
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sarcasm meter broken

i think that marks the second time in a comment from you i took it to directly :)
casket hands 7:31 PM - 30 August, 2009
I am just too subtle and witty.
DJ MDX 7:36 PM - 30 August, 2009
There's no place like home, there's no place like home.....
DJdaveZ 7:50 PM - 30 August, 2009
way too subtle... lol.
Charile Wilson 10:07 PM - 30 August, 2009
I really don't understand why they are bothering with itch! if there going to add all these features then why don't they just further develop scratch? so that it's a more capable product?

A lot more people have it, It seems you have to choose or have both and pick n mix between them depending on what you want to do.
kraal 10:09 PM - 30 August, 2009
because they are two different things for two different type of people/dj's I dont use turntables anymore and see no need in CDJ's i want a controller solution so it works for me.....
casket hands 10:16 PM - 30 August, 2009
despite appearing similar, itch and SSL are vastly different. I hate doing the clicky clicky with my laptop trackpad during a gig and I have no need for vinyl feel. itch is for me, SSL isnt. voila!
DJ MDX 11:22 PM - 30 August, 2009
In the voice of Jackie Chan..."My daddy once a caught a burret with his teeth...."
Dj Ace 1:15 AM - 2 September, 2009
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despite appearing similar, itch and SSL are vastly different. I hate doing the clicky clicky with my laptop trackpad during a gig and I have no need for vinyl feel. itch is for me, SSL isnt. voila!

not quite true...you can midi just about everying thing in SSL with a wide range of midi control devices.

Those looking for simpler, lighter, all in one solution would probably go with the itch controllers...People that either already have the gear, doing video already, turtabalist, club dj's that just plugin to a SSL ready system would go with SSL...but as time goes on the gap will close?
Dj Ace 1:17 AM - 2 September, 2009
I use both by the way...and still enjoy SSL more but my back likes itch!
Dj Ace 1:17 AM - 2 September, 2009
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despite appearing similar, itch and SSL are vastly different. I hate doing the clicky clicky with my laptop trackpad during a gig and I have no need for vinyl feel. itch is for me, SSL isnt. voila!

not quite true...you can midi just about everying thing in SSL with a wide range of midi control devices.

Those looking for simpler, lighter, all in one solution would probably go with the itch controllers...People that either already have the gear, doing video already, turtabalist, club dj's that just plugin to a SSL ready system would go with SSL...but as time goes on the gap will close?
DjJaYrOcK 6:02 AM - 2 September, 2009
I finally got used to Serato Itch. The only thing I don't like about it is that it takes up a grip of memory. Does anyone else here have this problem?
DJdaveZ 6:55 AM - 2 September, 2009
it's not like you can do much multitasking while you are DJing... most people with SSL or Itch run nothing but the DJ program while working... some people buy a laptop just for DJing... with nothing else running on it.
I actually have run Itch while running multiple monitors, with the desktop background changing every 5 seconds for a bar pictures slide show thing, while posting up info on the bar i was at on myspace with WiFi . my music never skipped a beat.
DjJaYrOcK 7:16 AM - 2 September, 2009
My cpu runs at 100% and the momory used is 329,000k

That is insane. No wonder everyone gets the freeze.
DJdaveZ 8:30 AM - 2 September, 2009
everyone gets the freeze? only in antarctica... you have a serious problem and need to work that out in the help section. that's not normal at all.
casket hands 9:25 AM - 2 September, 2009
if you are using an older computer it might be normal. is your laptop above the minimum spec? itch is fairly resource intensive, more so than SSL
DjJaYrOcK 5:29 PM - 2 September, 2009
Its a newer version of sony. So it is above specs. VDJ runs smooth but itch sucks.
kraal 5:50 PM - 2 September, 2009
what are the specs?
DjJaYrOcK 6:31 PM - 2 September, 2009
Windows Vista Home Premium. Sony Vaio - Intel core 2 duo cpu t8100 @ 2.10ghz with 4 gigs of memory. 32 bit .

I installed it on my wife's laptop which is brand new with same specs excet it as AMD and only 2 gigs of memory and same thing.
DjJaYrOcK 6:32 PM - 2 September, 2009
It seems there are several people here with the same problem. I think its a serato itch problem.
DJdaveZ 7:10 PM - 2 September, 2009
i have seen posts left and right saying that ns7 does not work with 64 bit vista... if thats what you have, then that is your problem.
kraal 7:11 PM - 2 September, 2009
he said 32 bit
DJdaveZ 7:12 PM - 2 September, 2009
oops my mistake...
kraal 7:13 PM - 2 September, 2009
but i do want to post this
'Due to the number of reports we have had of this problem we currently do not recommend machines with Turion or Athlon processors for use with Serato ITCH. Even a machine that meets the minimum spec but has a Turion / Athlon processor can cause significant issues with USB audio hardware.
KLH 8:26 PM - 2 September, 2009
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My cpu runs at 100% and the momory used is 329,000k
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Windows Vista Home Premium. Sony Vaio - Intel core 2 duo cpu t8100 @ 2.10ghz with 4 gigs of memory. 32 bit

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is most likely to be caused by excessive ACPI polling.

Check out this thread on NI's site: www.native-instruments.com

While the thread is concerned with a competitor's DVS, the impact on the laptop is the SAME - real-time i/o is the bottleneck. If you see high CPU and relatively low memory usage (like you're seeing), i/o is usually the issue.

Again, this is going out on a limb, but I think that there are strong parallels here.

-KLH
DjJaYrOcK 10:54 PM - 2 September, 2009
Low memory??? 329,000k is high memory usage...
casket hands 11:13 PM - 2 September, 2009
I'm using my offline player right now and I'm in the mid 500,000k
KLH 12:15 AM - 3 September, 2009
329MB for an app is not excessive, IMHO. You have 2GB+ after all. Who cares WHAT size the app is as long as it performs, right?

-KLH
DjJaYrOcK 12:20 AM - 3 September, 2009
Well I guess my question is what is normal? what do you have on yours klh?
casket hands 1:30 AM - 3 September, 2009
is it possible that itch is trying to analyze all of your files? I know that maxes out my CPU but its kinda designed to do that so it goes as fast as possible.
KLH 4:48 AM - 3 September, 2009
I'd love to tell you, but my NS7 is at Numark. IIRC, my dualcore D530 desktop had 100% utilization during analysis. It analyzed 2 tracks at a time. When playing, CPU was ~40%.

-KLH
DjJaYrOcK 5:28 AM - 3 September, 2009
I uninstalled itch and ran the old version 1.0.4 and the memory went down to 120,000k. Once I updated it to 1.1.0 the shit went crackers again.LOL it hit 390,000K.

There is something going on with the new update.

My cpu percentage went down after analysing songs. I just don't like that it takes up a grip of memory. VDJ only takes 40mb while this piece of shit uses 390mb.

I will take it back unless they figure something out.

For now I dont recommend ns7 with itch. Get the new VDJ pro...
casket hands 5:44 AM - 3 September, 2009
so you are complaining that it was taking a lot of CPU while analyzing songs?
ChrisD 6:20 AM - 3 September, 2009
DjJaYrOcK, you've cross-posted this same information in a number of different forum discussions.

It's annoying for other forum members and it makes it harder for the Numark and Serato support teams to help you.

Please contain your comments to the appropriate threads.
DjJaYrOcK 7:31 AM - 3 September, 2009
I started this thread thank you...
DjJaYrOcK 7:33 AM - 3 September, 2009
I am trying to get this issue fixed and I already started a thread pertaining to this and you guys have not got back...

My problem is that it uses up too much memory so it freezes.

I can't have this shit at this gig...

I was counting on this ns7 and now because of itch I can't use it...

frusted and annoyed.
casket hands 7:39 AM - 3 September, 2009
well, its not using too much memory, its using too much CPU, and you said that it was because it was scanning your library. wait for that to finish and see if you still have a problem.
DjJaYrOcK 6:22 PM - 3 September, 2009
It went up to 400,000k yesterday and it caused itch to (not respond).

It froze up my whole system and I had to restart the comp.

I never had any problems until I used itch. Pretty much I am returning the ns7..
kraal 6:48 PM - 3 September, 2009
ok
ChrisD 10:46 PM - 3 September, 2009
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I started this thread thank you...

So? This thread is titled "Virtual DJ vs. Serato ITCH". That has nothing to do with your specific technical problems. And you've posted similar comments in other threads.

My point is this: it's poor forum etiquette to cross post, and you're making things harder for the support teams. In other words, you're estranging yourself from the very people who are most likely to help you.
KLH 1:39 AM - 4 September, 2009
Good point. There's been too much thread-jacking lately...
DjJaYrOcK 3:40 AM - 4 September, 2009
ok. I already started the thread...handle it!
DJdaveZ 9:47 AM - 4 September, 2009
handle it... please..... :) lol. sorry... trying to make light of the situation.
KLH 6:22 PM - 4 September, 2009
LOL!

ITCH for me - VDJ, while a great piece of software, isn't my preference. Now, I will say that the "beat grid" effect is super cool, though...

-KLH
Charile Wilson 6:23 PM - 4 September, 2009
VDJ for me
kraal 6:24 PM - 4 September, 2009
yeah the bear grid was all i used in VDJ
i wonder will something like that be with the VFX-1
Zion-Prayz 10:58 PM - 4 September, 2009
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ok. I already started the thread...handle it!


Oh yeah that's going to speed things up...
KLH 12:01 AM - 5 September, 2009
Quote:
ok. I already started the thread...handle it!

ChrisD, forgive them for they know not what they do...

-KLH
Christophlex 11:00 AM - 18 September, 2009
I was GIVEN a Hercules RMX controller which introduced me to VDJ. I liked the VDJ software and some of it's features that Serato doesn't have. However Serato Itch/Scrach is way better than the "fluff"offered by VDJ.

I made the mistake of upgrading to VDJ Pro 6.02 because I had a TTM57SL mixer so I was used to having the ability to spin videos. But I had to sell it to get my NS7 (for financial reasons only...otherwise I would have kept both).

I WAS TOLD by VDJ that it was compatable with the NS7. However IT DOES NOT WORK RIGHT. If you have the motors on on the turntables it won't work, the vidoes are choppy and it just doesn't WORK right with the NS7. I put in a ticket with VDJ but have gotten NO RESPONSE from them. It's been 2 weeks now.

I run a MacBook Pro with 4 gigs of ram, so I have the power needed. Anyway I guess I'll just need to wait for Serato to bring video to Itch or get up enough $$$ to put together another Scratch steup (mixer, tabels, etc). I hope Itch will have video capability soon. DON'T BUY VDJ!!! Sick to Serato.
kraal 2:22 PM - 18 September, 2009
christophex try this get snow leopard and follow this thread for your ns7 compatability with vdj
www.serato.com
eric007 11:11 PM - 18 September, 2009
Quote:
Quote:
My cpu runs at 100% and the momory used is 329,000k
Quote:
Windows Vista Home Premium. Sony Vaio - Intel core 2 duo cpu t8100 @ 2.10ghz with 4 gigs of memory. 32 bit

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that this is most likely to be caused by excessive ACPI polling.

Check out this thread on NI's site: www.native-instruments.com

While the thread is concerned with a competitor's DVS, the impact on the laptop is the SAME - real-time i/o is the bottleneck. If you see high CPU and relatively low memory usage (like you're seeing), i/o is usually the issue.

Again, this is going out on a limb, but I think that there are strong parallels here.

-KLH


the ACPI issue is why I sold my vista laptop and got a macbook pro. i spent countless hours trying to make it work. the way vista runs under the hood left me no choice but either accept processor spikes every 5 seconds that could lead to dropouts, or get a different machine. oh, i also tried win 7 and found the same problems (since win 7 is vista with some bugs fixed).
Christophlex 11:20 PM - 18 September, 2009
Tried it, still doesn't work.
Charile Wilson 1:48 PM - 20 November, 2009
itch should do video
KLH 3:17 PM - 20 November, 2009
ITCH should integrate speakers into the NS7's underside and provide an automated DJ feature so that I can sit back and collect checks. Yeah, and make the NS7 in different colors too.

In all seriousness, ITCH will grow in features over time. Be patient or use something else.

-KLH
Charile Wilson 4:26 PM - 20 November, 2009
I do use something else, plus I stopped using SSL-VSL because the creates are a nightmare. I just check the forum every now and again to see if we have any progress.
DJ Quartz 4:58 AM - 11 December, 2009
@ eric007

Actually that same acpi.sys issue kills Itch on the laptop as well. It actually causes it to freeze intermettently and drop audio when it's running.

Once disabled, no problems. Even with the new bios update which was supposed to allieviate the issue.
DJ MDX 7:39 PM - 11 December, 2009
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I do use something else, plus I stopped using SSL-VSL because the creates are a nightmare...


Is what is up in bold supposed to read "crates" if not could you explain. I just want to make sure I understand what you meant - thanks
amphidelic 10:24 PM - 11 December, 2009
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DJ Larry D 2009 VDJ Live Video Set

vids.myspace.com


I can't believe how cheesy that was.
Dj Ace 11:25 PM - 11 December, 2009
Creative tho...cheesy...yes but at least creative
zaguama 4:58 PM - 12 December, 2009
VDJ wins in some areas, Itch in some others but my personal preference is performance. VDJ cant seem to handle the NS7 the way ITCH does, the latency is just amazing with ITCH, on VDJ i get some glitches every once in a while, i think its matter of personal preference. VDJ offers great video support, beatgrid, sampler, some other stuff, although VDJ effects are just pure garbage, i would go 100 times with traktor scratch pro if it had better support. I've used both VDJ 6.0.4 (which is supposed to be the best release for the NS7) and ITCH 1.5 beta 2 and the performance is just not comparable, ITCH wins over 10 times.

As for the sampler i run a little program in the background called Global FX as ITCH lacks of it, no problems, no glitches, works like a charm.
KLH 8:13 PM - 13 December, 2009
^^ Who makes "Global FX"? Is it PC or Mac?

-KLH
kraal 8:21 PM - 13 December, 2009
pc
Dj_Official 6:47 AM - 9 January, 2010
My 2 cents...the ns7 was developed in conjunction with itch. Of course they will work seamlessly together. However, Itch may as well just serve as a display for the controller, and a song bank. It adds nothing to the ns7. The Dj has to remain fully aware and in control of everything, every second(if he's good). Vdj makes it so that you barely have to even pay attention to get the job done, and I've only used the demo version. The effects really come in handy, and it is easy to learn. You have to really know what you are doing to use Itch. Bottom line, keeping it real...If you like to drink a lot and are easily distracted by scantily clad women making song requests, use VDJ. If you consider Djing a craft/art, and you are the master of your abilities, use Itch. As far as the Ns7 goes...BEST THING EVER. With a Ns7 and an NSFX, I can put on a more impressive show using less effort than ANYBODY using cdj's, even if they are 900/2000...
Cid K 11:34 PM - 10 January, 2010
WEll said :-P
Riddim Mix Solja 2:09 AM - 11 January, 2010
Windows Vista Vs. Windows 7... Thinking About Upgrading To Windows 7 Is It A More Stable Operating System Than Vista... When Using Itch? Any Opinions??
Cid K 4:20 AM - 11 January, 2010
It is more stable on alot of side's but there's still alot of compagnies that didnt release stable drivers for Win 7 yet.

Ive been running Windows 7 on my laptop and Mac Pro since it got RC and didnt really run into any trouble, i know that Numark NS7 user are having abit more problems then the VCI-300 group but as far as Itch/SSL goes i think it's pretty darn Rock Solid.
GWsound 11:39 AM - 11 January, 2010
Hi,

i have tried VDJ and ITCH in combination with the NS7 (I used VDJ before I got ITCH together with a Dmc2 controller). The implementation of the NS7 in VDJ is not as complete as in ITCH. Especially the PFL features when you switch between master and channels and the LED bar bove the mixer does not function OK.

Also the mic input is a problem. So that made me decide to use ITCH, but I miss the geat sample that is synced with your track in VDJ :(

GWsound
GWsound 11:41 AM - 11 January, 2010
looks like my keyboard is missing some characters, sorry for the bad text
DJ Moorea 2:48 PM - 11 January, 2010
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Windows Vista Vs. Windows 7... Thinking About Upgrading To Windows 7 Is It A More Stable Operating System Than Vista... When Using Itch? Any Opinions??


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It is more stable on alot of side's but there's still alot of compagnies that didnt release stable drivers for Win 7 yet.

Ive been running Windows 7 on my laptop and Mac Pro since it got RC and didnt really run into any trouble, i know that Numark NS7 user are having abit more problems then the VCI-300 group but as far as Itch/SSL goes i think it's pretty darn Rock Solid.


Definitely use Win7 over Vista. If there is not an official Win7 driver available -you can use the Vista driver for the device. Win7 can use Vista drivers because they use the same kernel.

I have been using Win7 since Beta and even in Beta it was a drastic upgrade to Vista Ultimate as far as performance and stability. Yes I found Win7 more stable in Beta than Vista was as a completed product.

There's really no reason not to use 7 -as long as you are somewhat familiar with operating systems. Most of the people I have seen have problems with Win7 on here are not very experienced Windows users. Again -drivers have nothing to do with if you should upgrade to Win7 over Vista or not -as any Vista driver will work with Win7.

I am currently using Win7 Ultimate 64bit -with the Numark NS7 64bit Beta driver -and I am experiencing no issues. However I have tweaked to OS for Music Production/Performance optimization. Disabling things you don't need is important in any version of Windows though.

The problem is that now days people think they know how to use Windows because they can browse the internet and type a WORD document. This isn't the level of proficiency I am talking about. If you are used to getting under the hood of Windows -then 7 will hands down impress you over EVERY previous version of Windows.
Cid K 2:49 PM - 11 January, 2010
Very well said bro :-)
DJ Moorea 2:56 PM - 11 January, 2010
As far as VDJ vs. ITCH -I suggest ITCH. Does that mean you have to take a lil longer to get through the learning curve? Maybe. However it will also have you being a superior DJ in the end, compared to those who don't understand the actual technical skills underlying traditional DJ'ing.

Let me use an analogy...

If you had two brand new inexperienced people who wanted to be DJ's -we will call them DJ1 and DJ2 -and you gave them each comparable equipment -like the NS7 or VCI300...

DJ1 chooses to learn VDJ to understand and develop his DJ skills.

DJ2 chooses to learn ITCH to understand and develop his DJ skills.

After some time passes and both are MASTERS of their DJ software...

Put both DJ's on analog equipment -A couple 1200's and a mixer with a crate of vinyl.

See where this is going?

DJ1 would do nothing more than put the record on the decks and turn it on -then he would sit there and stare at the gear at a complete loss as to what to do.

DJ2 would put the vinyl on the decks -look at the layout to see where all the familiar controls of the gear is, and then...

Put on a show -while maybe not as comfortable as the gear he's used to -DJ2 would finish the show and still be able to implement all the tricks and style that makes him a DJ in the first place.

In short -VDJ will not teach you to be an actual DJ but is a useful tool for some existing DJ's

ITCH will force you to learn the actual skills that make a DJ in the first place.

For the experienced DJ it's a matter of preference.

For the new DJ -using VDJ is like taching a baby to walk with crutches -it will get the job done but it will never teach you to actually run a marathon with the Big Boys.
Robbie O 7:08 PM - 11 January, 2010
To DJ Moorea

Very Very True! I was a VDJ head and just started djing 2 years ago. I was rocking a Denon HC4500 and my Mac. I got really good. VDJ is so simple to use and really helped me learn the basics of djin, blending, while using samples and effects. VDJ helped me to understand the theory of DJin, but it became boring and I wanted more of a vinyl feel without totally abandoning the layout of my HC 4500 (hot cue points, loops)

So I got the NS7. Started using Itch, had a small gig that I didn't care to much of. Used Itch instead of VDJ because it responds better. Thought I would be ok with ITCH And I was off! by alot. I LOVE ITCH and the NS7, but I've had to re teach myself the basic of blending and scratching.

Though my sound is still a work in progress. the joy I get from using my NS7 on Itch is unbelievable. It doesn't even compare. I am now x10 a better dj, even though I have to work harder to do some of the things I used to do with easy on VDJ.

I recommend serato and vinyl feel controllers above VDJ and other controllers for intermediate DJs. I still think VDJ is great for beginners, serato and vinyl may be too overwhelming for some to start out with.
kraal 7:13 PM - 11 January, 2010
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serato and vinyl may be too overwhelming for some to start out with.

why .... i mean a lot of us were beginers on 1200's or a gemini battle pak
Robbie O 7:16 PM - 11 January, 2010
for some that I know it is... to impatient... But I wish I started on 1200's now.
Dj_Nix 7:58 PM - 11 January, 2010
i'm in the same boat as robbie. My story is identical... I started w/ vdj bought cheap gear, got some clubs/parties, upgraded, and LOVE itch. its soooo much fun to me. a part of me really wishes I had some1210's (or atleast a numark cdx) I'm getting into the scratching/tricks now. vdj simply doesn't sound or perform the same as the serato products. I knew that from the start but it was much too expensive for me at the time and there was a huge learning curve. I can't wait for itch to get video... I don't think its a huge leap seeing as how it kinda the same engine/technology & given that itch "sees" videos. it'll play the file, you just won't get the video output. heres hoping a speedy release. I hope that feature is in itch 2.0, until then I have to use vdj at particular venues. once itch gets it I won't look back!
GWsound 9:19 AM - 12 January, 2010
I can follow your line of thinking as well, I started on 1200 (still have them) but wanted to migrate to a digital environment. I bought different controllers like the DMC2 with Cue/VDJ but also a M-audio midi mixer etc. But the NS7 with Itch gives me the right feeling. But I also love the Pioneer DJM800 so I miss that one when using the NS7.

I also use a Denon HS5500 and when I switch between the NS7 and the HS5500 I notice that the Denon is tighter on the beats and tracks remain better beat matched! I have the feeling that Itch let the music drift a way a little bit when you do long crossings.
Cid K 2:44 PM - 12 January, 2010
Yeah i get that feeling aswell with my VCI-300. Always need to keep nudging or pitch bend the track as i mix cause it always seems to drift a lil bit. I got used to it dough!
GWsound 3:00 PM - 12 January, 2010
Good to hear that I´m not the only one. Sofar Serato did not respond to this when I entered it in the Help section (as part of a list of issues).

Especially when you are looping it looks like the SW does not compensate for the jump back in time somehow.
kraal 3:06 PM - 12 January, 2010
using the 1.5 release canidate i have less issues with that so i am sure it has been addressed
GWsound 3:15 PM - 12 January, 2010
Are they actually using the turntable motor for playing the song, I mean if the TT motor of the NS7 drifts a bit like cheaper TT did in the past, then it will also drift in Itch?
Cid K 3:17 PM - 12 January, 2010
YEah it's alot better then it used to be, but still not as tight as it should!

Shit on cdj's or vinyl i can remember the time i could mix 2 tracks, start my transition and leave it like that for at least 2 min of blending without being scared that it would drift away. No nudge or Pitch bend was needed.

Meh like i said i got used to it, just cant wait for it to work correctly.
GWsound 3:24 PM - 12 January, 2010
Also in VDJ it is much less drifting the in Itch, I also have to correct al the time.

I also have the experience that when you open the fader of the channel on the NS7 it sometimes drifts big time! I mean you have it in beatmatched on the headphone then open the fader en now it jumps 1/8 of a measure.
Cid K 3:40 PM - 12 January, 2010
Mmmm maybe you can open a help request for that, maybe there is an actual bug on that matter.
Antony Ellis 4:03 AM - 13 January, 2010
would some of you like me to come and dj for you....seems like some can't be actually bothered to dj!!!
Maskrider 7:31 AM - 13 January, 2010
lol
Vj Dj Sal 6:46 AM - 19 January, 2010
NS7 Itch Vs VDJ (Video) : If your doing strictly audio Absolutely Positviely hands down Itch... If you have a video library over 10,000 strong don't waste your money on the NS7. I Purchased it after being MISLEAD by Numark's website stating that Virtual Dj aka Numark Cue is Fully compatible with the NS7.. WRONG!! I've tried the NS7 with a new Toshiba PC, an older Toshiba PC and the all-mighty MacBook Pro, all well over the suggested specs including video cards and the Ns7 with VDJ software DID NOT work with Video. I've spent over 80 hours trying to get it to go and nada. Virtual DJ website was not very helpful. Sounded like they were reading from a checklist then gave up on me. I contacted DJ Larry D who appears to be sponsored Virtual DJ and asked what the specs / settings / configuration was on his computer for that famous youtube video mix. He said it was a VDJ Beta that has not yet been released 6.5 i believe... I'm not gonna hold my breath for the release... What would be worth holding my breath for is Video Support on Itch.. If they'll give us SOME kinda hint that they're atleast thinking about it I won't return or sell my NS7.... but unfortunately it looks like it'll be on craigslist sooner than later.... Next move may be SL with some cdx's so I can continue with video... I never used turntables and am not interested in dealing with needles cartridges headshells balancing tone arms blah blah blah call me lazy but the way I see it, less maintenance and less setup time. After all time is money! By the way does anyone know how to get my Video MP4'S to show up in Itch library??? It plays them it just doesn't see them???
Vj Dj Sal 6:49 AM - 19 January, 2010
Oh yeah Aux input, Mic, Platter Control Start stop speed, DO NOT WORK with NS7 and VDJ... Also sound quality is TERRIBLE it's the software not the sound card because with Itch the sound quality is really GOOD....
KLH 5:54 AM - 20 January, 2010
Quote:
If you have a video library over 10,000 strong don't waste your money on the NS7. I Purchased it after being MISLEAD by Numark's website stating that Virtual Dj aka Numark Cue is Fully compatible with the NS7.. WRONG!!

I think that your blame is pointed in the wrong direction. Numark makes the NS7, not VDJ. Look to Atomix for enhancements to VDJ. If Numark stated "compatible" it's because the NS7 can control VDJ's decks which meets the definition of "compatible."

If you bought the NS7/ITCH product expecting that Atomix would make the NS7 fully integrate with VDJ, I think that you've misled yourself.

-KLH
MusicDan 1:16 PM - 20 January, 2010
Hey Sal, I may not be looking in all the places but I did not find anywhere in the Numark site or the NS7 site where it says "Fully Compatible". What I did read was this from the FAQ section:

[b]Can I use NS7 with other software?
Yes. We are working with many software providers to offer a wide range of support. If you are not sure that your DJ software supports NS7, we recommend contacting the software company.[/b]

Now, giving you the benefit of the doubt that they stated that it is "Fully Compatible", then it should be FULLY COMPATIBLE, not just compatible as KHL pointed out. Find the link in the website or wherever you read it and then I would post a help ticket directed at Numark, not serato to see if they can help. Make sure in your title you say For Numark Techs and make sure that you read that is is "Fully Compatible" and you want help. Even better, call tech support and deal with them that way, after all this is a Serato site, not Numark Or VDJ.
MusicDan 1:17 PM - 20 January, 2010
Stupid Bold doesn't work. This forum really needs an edit button. And yes I did preview it.
k_one 2:40 PM - 20 January, 2010
Quote:
I Purchased it after being MISLEAD by Numark's website stating that Virtual Dj aka Numark Cue is Fully compatible with the NS7.. WRONG!! I've tried the NS7 with a new Toshiba PC, an older Toshiba PC and the all-mighty MacBook Pro, all well over the suggested specs including video cards and the Ns7 with VDJ software DID NOT work with Video.He said it was a VDJ Beta that has not yet been released 6.5 i believe... I'm not gonna hold my breath for the release...


NS7 is indeed fully compatible with VDJ. Has been since version 6.0.3 for Audio and version 6.0.5 for video.
And 6.0.5 was released before christmas, so you don't really need to hold your breath any longer.
I have an extensive video library with more than 15.000 videos and it now works like a dream.
I'm using an over 2 year old MacBook (Black, 2.0Ghz, 80MB shared graphics) and it has been running flawlessly with video since 6.0.5. (It did indeed NOT work correctly in version 6.0.3)

As for the question about VDJ vs Itch, I use VDJ for video and gigs where swapping equpiment is not an option. If I can bring my NS7 I use ITCH.