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Help Bass Messing up music at every Club

DJ-LUSH 4:13 AM - 15 August, 2009
The past couple of dj gigs i have done the bass at the clubs make my needles skip to the point where i practically have to turn down my lows and its sounds really bad do you think this is because im not double stacking my Dj road case? I dont get it i had to use INT mode almost the whole night it was bad .. useing shure m44 needles 3 gram weight everything was perfect new records i dont get it help please
O.B.1 4:25 AM - 15 August, 2009
damn! what kind of subs and how close to them are you?
Making your needles skip!? not just picking up background noise...
-try to isolate your turntables as much as possible to dampen vibrations.
-also a certain EQ frequency could be causing rumble in the room (around 1000hz)
if possible drop that band of the EQ.
DJ Prinvale` 4:28 AM - 15 August, 2009
toss some foam or towels under the feet.

add more weight to the tone-arm

use relative mode
djdragon 5:50 AM - 15 August, 2009
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-also a certain EQ frequency could be causing rumble in the room (around 1000hz)
if possible drop that band of the EQ.


Close but no cigar. 1000Hz will not cause 'rumble' in the room.

If you can access the main eq for the system try cutting anything below 40Hz to reduce turntable feedback and unwanted subharmonic frequencies.

Try Isolating your turntables away from he bass bins, if that is not possible try a few 'old school' tricks. Foam hockey pucks under each foot of the decks, tennis balls cut in half and placed flat side down and placed under the feet of the decks. Also this product works well www.planetdj.com i've used these for years, always kept them in my record box along with my SL1200 Emergency repair kit.
DJDaveOtt 8:54 AM - 15 August, 2009
^^
yeah, what he said
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 3:10 PM - 15 August, 2009
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Also this product works well www.planetdj.com i've used these for years, always kept them in my record box along with my SL1200 Emergency repair kit.


Yeah, I was going to suggest the Cingular Cellular looking "Free Float" thingees.

Just curious, what else is in the SL1200 Emergency repair kit?
O.B.1 3:41 PM - 15 August, 2009
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-also a certain EQ frequency could be causing rumble in the room (around 1000hz)
if possible drop that band of the EQ.


Close but no cigar. 1000Hz will not cause 'rumble' in the room.

If you can access the main eq for the system try cutting anything below 40Hz to reduce turntable feedback and unwanted subharmonic frequencies.
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sorry, my mistake. I think I meant around 100hz or wherever the higher bass freq. exist. I've noticed that very deep bass notes while they sound cleaner, aren't felt as much as higher mid-range bass that "hits you in the chest" possibly causing rumble.

or just try the tennis ball trick :)

I don't think he's getting turntable feedback or unwanted subharmonic freq. or I would have suggested adjusting the decible threshold slider to the right until the background noise stops (in the set-up screen)
-his needles are actually skipping!?
O.B.1 3:51 PM - 15 August, 2009
quote FAIL :P
djdragon 5:26 PM - 15 August, 2009
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Just curious, what else is in the SL1200 Emergency repair kit?


I keep these items in my needle case at all times.

A HB pencil cut to 3" length, using only the eraser end. If you can find an erasable pen that eraser end is better since it's a bit more course. Or you can glue a bit of very fine sand paper on the end of a pencil too.
The HB pencil eraser is a quick way to clean the contacts of your SL1200 tone arm or headshell when you have idiots who lick n' stick their headshells to 'improve' or fix the dreaded 'one side' of the needle issue. Or thinking they are improving the electrical contact of headshell and tone arm. If you have to use a drop of Deoxit on the headshell instead.

A Deoxit Gold or Deoxit 5 pen store.caig.com the greatest cleaner ever.

A min screwdriver www.made-in-china.com actually I have a Extron Tweeker since the shaft is removable and has a phillips on one end and a flat on the other. I also have an extra shaft bent 90 degrees at the last 1/4" of the phillips part so it can reach the tiny screw under the tone arm right behind the tightening collar of the tone arm. This screw gets loose and causes the headshell to tip from side to side.

2 Q tips cut in half. Extra cleaning tips if needed.

These few items usually can be a life saver in the field when you are playing at clubs or events with turntables.

Please if you ever see anyone licking their headshells before putting them into the tone arm, smack them in the head. I've even seen DJ's lick the headphone jack before inserting. 90% of SL1200 issues are because of the 'lick n stick' or a loose screw, if you have these tools with you then you can actually salvage your set and reduce frustrations.
Jesus Christ 4:59 AM - 16 August, 2009
Buy 8 basic ashtrays and a bag of #64 rubber bands: onfinite.com

Wrap each rubber band around the slots of the ashtrays like the picture until you have used 8 rubber bands around each ashtray (2 layers of rubber bands in each slot): onfinite.com

This is the first layer. Repeat until you have 8 rubber bands -- each wound twice -- around each slot position: onfinite.com

Finished set of four (you should have 8 total for both turntables): onfinite.com

Place one isolator under each foot of your 1200's:
onfinite.com
onfinite.com
onfinite.com

You should be good to go.
DJ Prinvale` 10:39 AM - 16 August, 2009
JC!!! that is fucking awesome!
Jesus Christ 4:10 PM - 16 August, 2009
Prinvale, been using this trick for well over 20 years.
djdragon 2:56 AM - 17 August, 2009
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Buy 8 basic ashtrays and a bag of #64 rubber bands: onfinite.com

Wrap each rubber band around the slots of the ashtrays like the picture until you have used 8 rubber bands around each ashtray (2 layers of rubber bands in each slot): onfinite.com

This is the first layer. Repeat until you have 8 rubber bands -- each wound twice -- around each slot position: onfinite.com

Finished set of four (you should have 8 total for both turntables): onfinite.com

Place one isolator under each foot of your 1200's:
onfinite.com
onfinite.com
onfinite.com

You should be good to go.


Dag, I forgot about that one LOL. Good remembering
DeezNotes 4:14 PM - 17 August, 2009
Check those 44-7s too. Sometimes they work great... sometimes not so great.
DPR250R 4:56 PM - 17 August, 2009
Calibrate Scratch Live.
O.B.1 9:03 PM - 17 August, 2009
yes, it's good to calibrate SSL often.
-but it wouldn't prevent needles from skipping, calibrate your turntable?
terrible1fi 9:46 PM - 17 August, 2009
no calibration can help the needle jumping around from the low frequencies of a sub.
either do one of the work arounds posted above or move the sub away from the turntables
Dj Shamann 11:47 PM - 17 August, 2009
I didn't know about that one OJ, crazy. Much better than those stupid granite suspension cases with the turntables flying around the box all night. We always just used tennis balls.
DPR250R 12:03 AM - 18 August, 2009
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no calibration can help the needle jumping around from the low frequencies of a sub.
either do one of the work arounds posted above or move the sub away from the turntables



Where does it say the needles are jumping?
Dj Shamann 12:11 AM - 18 August, 2009
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Where does it say the needles are jumping?



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The past couple of dj gigs i have done the bass at the clubs make my needles skip
DPR250R 1:26 AM - 18 August, 2009
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Where does it say the needles are jumping?




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The past couple of dj gigs i have done the bass at the clubs make my needles skip



Sooo.... that statement rules out a calibration tracking issue???

OK :)

good luck Lush..
Jesus Christ 1:26 AM - 18 August, 2009
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I didn't know about that one OJ, crazy. Much better than those stupid granite suspension cases with the turntables flying around the box all night. We always just used tennis balls.

I hate those suspension cases. I took these pictures a couple of years ago when there was a discussion about TT isolation. I've been using this method for 20 years.

What concerns me is that I RARELY have trouble with isolation issues any more. DJ Lush has them all the time??? I can't help but think that it's either the turntables are faulty or he's setting up WAY too close to his subs.
DjWoody 1:34 AM - 18 August, 2009
I've used a couple of these...

www.insulcon.com

or these...

www.toywonders.com

They both worked great!
DjWoody 1:36 AM - 18 August, 2009
Oh and if you're in a hurry, I heard this one works too.

www.bombayharbor.com
Dj Shamann 2:06 AM - 18 August, 2009
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What concerns me is that I RARELY have trouble with isolation issues any more. DJ Lush has them all the time??? I can't help but think that it's either the turntables are faulty or he's setting up WAY too close to his subs.




Yeah I can't remember the last time I had an issue, sometime in the 90's most likely. I think he's just too close to the subs, what else would make the needles physically jump?
Jesus Christ 3:06 AM - 18 August, 2009
hollow dance floor?
Jesus Christ 3:06 AM - 18 August, 2009
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Oh and if you're in a hurry, I heard this one works too.

www.bombayharbor.com

I've used those as well.
O.B.1 5:20 AM - 18 August, 2009
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hollow dance floor?

-or even more likely, a hallow wooden stage/booth
Jesus Christ 5:56 AM - 18 August, 2009
yeah... that's what I meant.
DeezNotes 1:44 PM - 18 August, 2009
Don't sleep on the needles... everybody loves the 44-7s, but the needles are a bit delicate. They jump and wobble very easily sometimes. Also, the needle can wear down and the cartridge can touch the surface of the record... although, when the needle is worn down that much, that's usually when I've seen them skip less.

If you have some spare needles (of a different brand) I'd give that a shot too just to make sure you rule out any/all causes. I do agree that the subs shouldn't be close to the turntables... that's common sense; but I've spun where the subs were directly under the turntables. The tracking was bad, but it was good enough to read the signal and the needles (wasn't using Shure needles) didn't skip.
Jesus Christ 6:22 PM - 18 August, 2009
Good point... also, along with the needle choice (44-7's are nice and heavy), what do you have your tonearm set to? Height? Weight? Do you KNOW how to set your tonearm properly? Too little weight can cause skipping if there is vibration.
DeezNotes 11:13 PM - 18 August, 2009
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... Also, the needle can wear down ...

I meant the bearing, not the needle.
DJ-LUSH 6:11 AM - 20 August, 2009
I have a dj gig this saturday so ill find out for sure if it was the needles i recently purchased a pare of pink ortofon scratch needles that sound so much better then the m-44 needles so hopefully that was the problem.. and the m-44-7 was set to 3 grams sometimes i might do 4 tone arm height never raised it at all .. anti skip set to 0. using rel mode .. all i no is when im at home there is never a problem mixing but at my last 2 gigs had to turn down my lows ..weather the needle was skipping or jumping i really couldnt tell the difference but it was bad i had to bring the song in an throw it in int mode all night but the promoter said i was hot ..if he only new how many time i messed up..hope sat is better
DJ-LUSH 6:19 AM - 20 August, 2009
Basically the subs caused my needles to vibrate to the point where i couldn't dj ..Oodyssey cases where not double stacked not sure if that helps but ill double stack next time .. maybe ill put my decks on a towel in the case just dont want no more vibration sucks dam subs are out of control
terrible1fi 2:52 PM - 20 August, 2009
I would think if you double stacked your coffin, and put a couple towels in between that would help as well.
Jesus Christ 3:15 PM - 20 August, 2009
YOU. ARE. TOO. CLOSE. TO. THE. SUBS!!!!
terrible1fi 3:35 PM - 20 August, 2009
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YOU. ARE. TOO. CLOSE. TO. THE. SUBS!!!!


yeah. essentially this is your problem. I highly doubt you can work around this problem with ghetto fixes. just put the subs away from the tables
DJ-LUSH 3:04 AM - 23 August, 2009
lol thankz