K-sub = weak (considering 1000 WATTS and 2 12" subs) but very sufficient for wedding/house party/club house party duty.

K10 = very lightweight and maneuverable. Good sound but must be used with a sub for useful full range audio. Ignore 1000W marketing-fluff rating. Nice setting options on the back of unit for extended bass.

The K sub is loud and rattle the walls, but does not rumble the floor like HPR 181.
You want to feel the bass than hear the bass when parties are concerned. K sub, you hear bass but I felt nothing under my feet.

just got a pair of K12s - can't wait till they get delivered!

So you didn't get them then... just bough them.... (runs and hides) hahaha

bought

So you found somethng to spend your money on...huh?

yup - went for a small system and some various bits of gear... djdragon hooked me up with some deals to boot :)

I have

2 K8s
2 K10s
2 KSubs


love the tops, but i think I will sell both Ksubs and buy one KV2 EX2.2 or 2 181s.

I find that I am pushing them to the limit.

I started with 2 K10s and 1 Sub
I also had 1 Mackie 450, but I had to ditch that and get the K8s as monitors because I couldn't stand the sound of the Mackie once I had the K10s.

I would put the output of the Ksub between the Mackie 1501 and 1801 if you have had experience with those.

KV2 EX 2.2>QSC HPR 181>Mackie 1801>QSC Ksub>Mackie 1501
sound output levels only (price too I guess)

I will say this about the KSubs though, they are the most convenient speakers I have worked with. The whole K Series is lightweight and easy to set-up. If all you are ever going to need is a portable system, these are hard to beat. I have cases for all the speakers and they all stack and velcro together. I can roll into a venue quickly and set-up and whole system, turntables, and video in 30 minutes easy.

However if you think you want to expand down the line and eventually have a bigger system, start with the HPR series. These will not keep up with the wood boxes.

30 minutes? Shit. Running/setting up the cables and taping everything so it looks nice takes me 30 minutes. It takes me 1 hr if I want it to look nice. 30 minutes sloppy joes.

I don't have time for slop.

30 minutes clean set-up

What kind of joint do you think I am running....? ;-)

nice warranty on those speakers

oh yeah love it

Picked up the K12's over the Eon 15's, 1000w power makes a difference. Lightweight and very clear and clean sound. Gonna pick up the K-Sub soon.

Very positive buzz and hype coming from a JBL guy. See my profile.

I purchased the Ksub on 9/11/2009 after a QSC rep. promoted them at a Local Guitar Center near Los Angeles. After purchasing and testing them in my small backyard and playing the Ksub at a local park. I took them back to Guitar Center because they peak pretty fast considering this is a 1K (500w by 500w) sub.

My QSC 122i was hitting lows better than the Ksub on certain songs. I love my HPR series (2 QSC 122i and 1 QSC 181i) but wanted the Ksub because it's only 74lbs, look good and the lows are decent but does have a pop noise when pushed. (Yes, you can hear the internal plastic that house the speakers vibrate) which is a NO, NO for me.

I have been DJing since 1991 and been through every speaker known to man and I have to admit that QSC's is always on my toplist. But the Ksub is only good for low to moderate music. Not for crowds over 75-100 just to be nice. Stick to the HPR 181i or KV2 and deal with the weight. Lol.

By the way, returning any open box item to Guitar Center is an automatic 15% restocking fee. I lost $155.00 for returning. Wish I knew before purchase.

I've been preaching this the whole time... all this ranting and raving over the K-series stuff. The tops are good but that sub is truly lacking. It is everything you said it was. This needs to be posted in the other forums so others won't make the same mistake you did. Good review.

What's worse DJ Gaffle, is that I read your post before I purchased the K-sub. I said to myself I'm going to try it anyway because I know this sub can kick butt. Qsc was good on making the external all wood but the internal parts is plastic. When your playing something that loud but need to hit (Low) it's all wood (Not particle board or plastic). Thanks for replying to my review.

Your vs. You're

I recently picked up a pair of QSC K10s and a single QSC KSUB. Here's my take on them:

The K10s are amazingly good for their size/weight. I actually think they sound slightly better than my QSC HPR122is. Smoother in the high freqs, more mid-bass punch, and no comparison weight-wise. The Ks are so light and easy to transport.

The KSUB sounds slightly less powerful than a single one of my QSC HPR151is, but I knew this going in and the KSUB was purchased specifically for smaller events. A single KSUB I'd say is generally sufficient for about 50-75 people and much more convenient to transport than the HPR due to shape and decreased size/weight.

All in all, it's a great system for the size/weight/cost ratio. IMO it blows away the comparable Mackie system of 2) SRM450v2s tops and 1) SWA1501 sub in both power, sound quality, and convenience.

Hope this helps.

Thanks for the correction DJJOHNNYM. Shaking my head

ANYTIME!!!

:-)

anytime vs any time....

:P

lol.... Thank You. Sixxx

Sixxx vs six vs, 6 vs jackass lol

lol

M.Bezzle vs Embezzle vs Imbecile

:P

–adverb 1. at any time; regardless of hour, date, etc.; whenever.
2. invariably; without doubt or exception; always: I can do better than that anytime.

You stand corrected.

Actually, if this was the US I would have... but this forum is worldwide so in Britain, it would be correct either way.

YOU stand corrected.

Yoooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu!!!!

Can I buy a vowel? " U "

u no thats' impossible.

hahahaha

I just one this 118lb QSC speaker.
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I hope it works well.

I meant to write:
I just won this 118 lb speaker

won vs. one Lol.

Congrads Kenny Q

you realize there's no "d" in congratulations

this is not a spelling or grammar thread

what rules would Q-S-C follow?

so back on topic.

My K12s just arrived today and I've spent the better part of the last 3 hours just jamming away on these things. Can't really test the upper limits of it here in my apartment at all but these things sound amazing and I'm impressed at how lightweight and compact they are.

Can't wait to get the studio cleaned up so I can fit these in there (our studio is tiny) and then I can really hear how loud these can really go...

My son is not going to have fun lugging a 118 pound speaker around.
I'm now looking for another one to match it.

After ten years of using and abusing my RCF ART 300a Speakers. I finally lost a woofer on one and a horn on another. I'm sure that my other two will go soon as well.

I'm thinking about buying a re-cone kit and doing the work myself, instead of buying new drivers.

I'm going to pickup my QSC 153i this week. If I like them, I will buy another one before this weekend. I have a wedding coming with more than 250 Latinos. If we have insufficient sound, they will kill us.

lol

Latinos are SeRiOuS about their sound systems! All the Latino DJs I know here have some of the largest DJ sound systems and bring 'em out at ALL their events especially the Quinceaneras.

That's funny...I thought the only group that was "Serious" about their music were Jamaicans.

I know Latinos like it LOUD, but I would always figure it was from a Midrange to Highs point of view.

Well down here, it's the BASS. A lot of their music is really bass heavy from what I've noticed or maybe I'm just being fooled by the multiple Yorkville LS800Ps and JBL double 18" subs I see lots of the Latino DJs with, LOL.

Where I live there are a lot of Latinos (Although I don't look like one, I am one of them) and a lot of Jamaicans.
I've done a lot of parties for both. Out of the two, Jamaicans are the ones who are more critical about their sound.

I remember doing a wedding for a couple in their 50's. It was a small room with no more than 100 guests. I had my 4 RCF speakers and 2 RCF Subs. (I normally wouldn't bring the subs but I knew that they will want extra bass).
Anyway, He (the groom, who is over 50 years old) told me that they weren't big enough and mentioned that JBLs were better.
Several guest came to see what kind of system we had and inspected the speakers.
One person asked me to write down the name of the speakers and the name of the program we where using (SSL).

I didn't get any complaints after the wedding.

Not THAT'S ^^^ Serious. Dude comin' up to yo usaying they weren't big enough.

RCF is no joke. I have them in my Sonic W-Bins, and I run them at about 850 Watts bridged PER cabinet.

Sometimes I think they just want the big LOOK vs. listening to what actually comes out of the speakers.

In my area, latinos are known for buying and using cheap ass equipment that is big and bulky but doesn't sound as good as it should. So, the latino mobile guys bring this no name gear that is loud but that's about it. I only do mobile stuff by reference.... and I've never had anyone question what I'm using.

LOL,

I see them all the time in GCs here buying up everything. They always get the sales guy's attention because they spend mucho dinero. They come in there in groups of 3 or 4 with 1 as the translator if the sales guy doesn't speak Spanish. I usually see them buying JBL or Cerwin Vega stuff.

They make me feel like a cheap miser because I always try to bargain for the best price with competitive adds while they'll plunk down a few G's getting an entire rig.

I was about to say the same thing some of them are my friends they really don't care about the name or brand.

GaFFle, I was at GC the other day and noticed this scenario "They come in there in groups of 3 or 4 with 1 as the translator if the sales guy doesn't speak Spanish". lol

And you know what? At least they were buying JBL or CV stuff. The ones I see in the ghetto parts of Bakersfield have these huge speakers with a ton of little tweeters on them and no name. lol

I was one of them dudes (Back in the 80's and early 90's)

Glad you came around Kenny Q. :)

i am all about mackie i have had the 450's for about 8 years now and the 15's about 5 months later. i love them and they sound AWESOME. but i think when i get my nexw set up i am gonna go bigger and get the yorkville 18's and the 15 tops they are Monsters. i have also heard some what new RCF's and they are alright but to me they are more for just wedding type parties. thats where my mackies can come into play.

The orignal Mackies are RCFs.
Mackie bought RCF and started producing the powered speakers under the Mackie name.
From what I heard, RCF bought their company back because Mackie started manufacturing them in China instead of Italy (RCF is from Italy).

The new Mackies aren't good. The drivers aren't even RCF anymore.
RCF is a well respected company all over the world (they are not well known in the US).

EAW uses RCF drivers in their speakers.

Those of us who know Sound Reinforcement know RCF.

Believe that...

LMAO @ Mackie tryin' to go cheap, and RCF buying themselves back!

This may be what Sixxx wrote about.
Watchwww.youtube.com
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^^hahaha

chuntaro style!!! yes!!

LoLoLOLOL! That system was horrible!

LOL! I'm thinking something is the matter with my computer speakers and whatnot...They can't possibly sound that horrible in real real life.

That was awesome.

lol - imagine doin' a wedding with that gear. Ouch!

We just finished the party with 250 wild Latinos.
The QSC HPR153f worked extremely well. At $499, It was a bargain.
Too bad they only had one to sell. I may buy another one before the rebate ends.

I'm thinking about buying subs sometime next year.
Personally, I don't think front loaded subs sound as good as Horn loaded ones.
The only Horn loaded subs at a reasonable price that are powered are the B52s and they are damn ugly.
Does anyone have or has heard a pair?
If so, How does it sound next to the QSCs?

Thanks,
Kenny Q

The QSC rebate has been extended to 1/10/10 so no big rush there.

I hear you on the b52s... That's my problem with B52 and Cerwin Vega... those monstrous logos don't look good in wedding pics.

Oh shit, thanks for the rebate reminder! Silly me--I just broke down 2 boxes and put them out for recycling last night and I need the UPC code off them! Good thing I have a few more days before it gets picked up.

Glad I could help... kindly remit 1/3 of your rebate to my email address. I accept PayPal... Thanx :-P

Ha...I can't knock the hustle!

Wow! you could have lost at least $200.

I've been thinking about getting rid of my NX750P's for a set of K12's to match my HPR151i's.

beside the K12's being half the weight of the Yorkville's is there any other reason you want to get rid of the NX750Ps?

Those look like good speakers

Yep! I wouldn't stop kicking myself if I did that. Glad I got the boxes back.

Pretty much the main reason... only reason I haven't is because I'm not sure the the K12's will have enough bass in a stand alone environment.

I just bought 2 more QSC HPR 153i speakers. I bought the first one on eBay for $500. Now I'm picking up 2 more for $1,500 (eBay).
That makes it $666.67 per speaker.

Now I need to find one more used 153 and four used 18" QSC subs.

Ha! You must be talking about SONIDEROS. Those fuckers are all about the bass! They don't care about what turntables they use, or what CD players they use, they mostly care about how the bass sounds.

I've known of Sonideros who own 18-wheelers just to haul their equipment.

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I have very very fond memories of hanging out in front of the Earthquakes.

Wow!
I hope they are making great money.
I also hope that they have invested money in their home and family as well.

That equipment looks like major overkill for a kids event (with the big balloon castle).

that's small. He don't need 18 wheels to take that. Just a you haul. $19.95 I had way more then that.now I have duals. 8 dual 18" and 8 dual 15" tops. Vegas are so outdated. You needed that many just to get a full bass feel.

I didn't say he had an 18 wheeler. I don't even know who he is. I said I known of DJ's with 18 wheelers, aka POLYMARCH. Google him.

***Respect Given****

You can NEVER have too much bass...

You're kidding right? That event is OUTSIDE. How do you know that the event isn't the size of a half a football field?

Again, you can NEVER have too much bass...

Vegas may be outdated but, from what I remember back in the 80's. Those speakers kick serious bass.
I think that those horn loaded Subs (Cerwin Vega) push more bass then the front loaded ones (QSCs). I could be wrong though.

maybe locating them adjacent to the jump house is what he really meant.....poor kids were probably hitting the ceiling without even trying! lol

What kind of music do these guys play?
Is it Cumbia?
I lived in Tijuana BC. for 3 months in 1989. I remember going to a bar that had live Cumbia bands playing and the bass sounded great.
The bass wasn't overwhelming. It just sounded great.

THEY DO!!!

VIVA Cerwin Vega

Yes.



Depends. horn loaded subs (CV's, etc.) put out a bss that rumbles. Front loaded subs produce a bass you can feel. These are better suited for situations where you want the people in the dancefloor to feel the bass.

Woody, Which sound better to you?
I have yet to hear front loaded subs that can handle extreme bass (Like the humpty dance) well.
Some time next year. I will be looking for new subs. I would rather buy QSCs but I'm not sure.

Good! Now I can co-sign, becauseI haven't heard better bass from ANYTHING other than a folded horn or W-Bin...but I haven't really paid attention to the latest front loaded speakers lately either.

People don't realize a folded horn design is more cubic feet for the sound to travel and become amplified in the folded enclosure. By the time it hits the mouth, it is ROCKIN'.

The only thing I would even BEGIN to say may be close, would be something along the EAW or RCF line....

Don't get it twisted, CV DRIVERS SUCK. If you load the cabinets with JBLS. or RCF's, you'll be killin' shit...

Give me the horn-loaded designs.


Not sure what you'll be loading your subs into during transport but IF you don't have a ramp and trailer, I'd be wary of the QSC 18"s. They're great sounding subs but they are low and wide and heavy (the casters are their saving grace). You have your son DJ'ng with you so all of that may be mute.

The throw on horn loaded designs are a definite advantage over front loaded subs. My sub's bass is best felt 12' or greater distances.

KV2 2.2 . that's all i gotta say

yup

I'm selling two ksubs to buy one 2.2

Speaking of that. I have a pair of L's that need new drivers. The old ones got stolen. HOW? I have no fucken clue! lol... What drivers you guys recommend on a pair of these babies...

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Anyone have stand recommendations for the K12s? I've read people talking about having to buy adapters to get 'em to fit.

I use regular speaker stands and the poles from the KSubs.

my post from another thread, thoughts anyone?

I "heard" from a GC sales guy that the Yammie's sound like boo boo when they start to go into limiting. Better have a listen for yourself to get the real scoop. I've never heard anything on the Peavey Impulses.

I knew it, 2 guud 2 B twuu

I've never gotten down with Yamaha's. My boy used to SWEAR by them, but anytime I asked him about them, they were always "In the shop"...

Man listen...

STOLEN? LMAO! Stop playin..

But like I said, I've always sworn by JBL and RCF...

However, those CV's CLAIM to have an RMS of 700 Watts...

IF the price is an issue, maybe you can still rock with the direct replacements, if price is NOT an issue, (or you just need rock solid reliability,) JBL or RCF is what I'd go with.

The yorkville nx750 will easily beat the k12 in stand alone bass response.
But the k12 will beat the yorkville nx750 in sound quality an weight.
Will your clients notice the difference in sound quality? i seriously doubt it but you and other djs who are serious about sound will.

I currently own 6 x nx750s and they are great all around speakers so at this time i can not justify the switch to k12s. But i do own 2x ev-zxa5s an will upgrade to those an sell the nx750s because the difference in sound quality,weight and volume is very big!