I don't think the 57 was a replacement for the SSL Box, it was an option. You don't have to buy both and a lot of people did not. You could sell your old SSL or like most people that play out with serato, keep it because not all clubs able to switch out mixers.

Also, there is nothing the 57 does, that you can not do with other equipment. So it's more of a preferance issue.

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I've found that the resale value of the SL-1 SSL package is just as high (or higher) as purchasing it new. I have both (now) and honestly, I was considering selling my 1.5 setup, but on second thought, I'm keeping them both. They only way I would consider seslling it is if a new SL-1 interface came out.

I too have the 57 & SSL
im keeping my SSL1 either as a backup or home use

im still considering buying another SSL1

I have a Lamborghini Diablo that I bought in 2000.
In 2001 they announced the Lamborghini Murciélago which I like and I have to buy it. Meaning I will have 2 Lamborghini.

So what you are saying is that
a) The Lamborghini Murciélago should not have been made or
b) Lamborghini should think about "older users" when marketing..

This does not make sense at all. Can you explain what you mean exactly ?

Some guy put a gun to my head and told me I had to buy the TTM 57 -- I gave him a ninja flying back kick right in the head and told the bad man 'no'. My mommy also told me not to talk to strangers even if they have candy.

haaahaaaaaa

I think its more a question about whether the manufacturer is interested in degrading the worth of one of their products in order to sell a new one. Look at the stanton & NI product (whose name i do not pronounce here.) I have owned one of the first on the market and paied a lot of money for it. Two or three years later it was worthless and cutomers had to buy the new one, even if they only wanted to stay compatible with their current computer hardware and OS. There are no software updates for the old hardware anymore, so nobody wants it and it is worthless.
The manufacturer is the only one being happy, as he keeps on doing what he likes most: selling!
As long as serato keeps on developping software for the ssl1 unit it will keep its worth for the customers, and you will get a good price for yours if you want to sell it! And above that they do all the update work for free! Look at NI: They want you to pay 50 bucks every few months for updates. For me Serato is one of the most customer-friendly companies out there!

So what?

I'm glad I have two.

I just hope the highly vocal ttm-57 crew does not monoplize all of the development to go towards the new mixer. I allready own the 56 and ssl. Is 1.6 version only for the 57 mixer? or will all ssl users be getting an update? Will all ssl users be getting efx please controled via the laptop. what other options and updates are being planed for non 57 users?

Version 1.6 works with all regular SSL also and all future updates are for TTM-57 and SL-1 users. I think you are out of luck with the effects though as they are actually loaded into the mixer. Don't worry, I think the SL-1 users outnumber the TTM-57 owners by a pretty big margin.

And (right now) its pretty safe to say that most owners of the 57 have (or had) an SL-1... well most

I run with scissors.

LOL .. this still tickles

I would like to point out a little issue on Atari, especially on the Atari 2600.
I like the way new manufacturers released new product. But what about older users !!!
For those who already have Atari and would like to buy a XBox360, they will have 2 GAME.
So, in the future, please think about your customer,

Thx,

Clueless

Lol :)

Oh $#!* that's funny! Nice.

Okay, make fun of livintown, but I agree. Continue, fellow forum regulars, to jock a company that may just be having its way with you.

$1,499 is almost insulting, if not insulting.

No, don't actually make fun of livintown.

$1,499 is almost insulting, if not insulting.


1,000-1,200 is the going price for other comparable mixers suck as the Pioneer -909. With The 57 you also get an integrated SL1 interface. That Alone retails for app. $500. a long with this you you can get future sofware updates, futer FX updates, and TOP NOTCH custermer service. . I do think $1499 is a lot of money period. I don't think they are over charging for the 57SL. I have always believed you get what you pay for. you gotta break bread for top of the line eqiupment.

^^ps .. Its not really $1499 .... shop around.

They only charge $1499 OR LESS if you allow them. They are charging the most they feel they can get away with. Is that the definition of capitalism? ... maybe.

They just won't rip me off. Computers, with more advanced parts, can be found for $300, so, why should I have to pay $1499 for less advanced technology.

Rane has minimized the boxes (SL-1, TTM-57sl) to USB 1.1 and 16 bit . Regardless of the reasons, we've spent plenty of money!

A $300 computer sells hundreds of thousands of units across the world. It is cheaply mass produced in china. It has a high failure rate and when it goes wrong you have to like it.

The TTM 57SL sells in no where near as many numbers. It is produced in Rane's own factory in the US. It will most like run without issue for 5,10 maybe 15 years. If it does go wrong you can ring Shaun or Zack and they will sort you out as quick as they possibly can.

The TTM 57SL uses very high quality 24bit converters. USB 1.1 is used to ensure compatibility with the widest range of laptops possible. Imagine turning up to a gig, you're used to using an SL 1 but the venue has a 57, you try to hook up your trusty 1GHz laptop but it's no good because you only have USB 1.1 and the mixer needs 2.0 to work.

If you haven't used a TTM 57SL you shouldn't be knocking the cost. It is much more than just a TTM 56 with and SL 1 built in, and Serato have hardly started on adding features the mixer is capable of.

Enjoy your purchase. I'm fine with my minimamilistic, over-priced SL-1, connected to a computer well over 1.0GHz, with multiple USB 2.0 and firewire ports, also connected to a much cheaper-priced mixer without over-priced, over-hyped, arcade buttons.

Does anyone know for sure that the 57 is not capable of USB 2.0 ?

the 57 will work fine with USB 1 or 2

^^^^ Yes ... but is the device capable of 2.0 speeds ... (FutureProof) ??

The the 57 is USB 1.1 which is plenty of bandwidth for 4 channels in 4 channels out and the control surface.

^^^ Are there any tests that can prove this, or dissapprove that its not capable of 2.0?

No tests required it's a stated fact

OOH! I want to break out the age-old USB vs. Firewire flame! Okay, I'll be nice.

No one is questioning the current abilities. The question is not wether USB 1.1 can do the job, the math is well understood. The question simply is "is the 57 capable of USB 2.0 ?". This is more of "just want to know" thing ... again the capabilities of the currrent state are not in question.

While I personally don't think theres any real world problem with the 57 using 1.1, your statement here doesn't make much sense. USB 2.0 devices are backward compatible with 1.1 ports. In other words, if you connect a device based on USB 2.0 to a system with only 1.1, it will still work, you'll just be limited to 1.1 speeds...

Exactly, if the 57 was USB 2.0 and needed the bandwidth of USB 2.0 to function then it wouldn't be able to work connected to a USB 1.1 host.

s4200, I meant that it was a stated fact by Rane and Serato that the 57 is only USB 1.1 so it's not capable of USB 2.0

Thank you .. that is all the confirmation I needed.

Another way of putting it.... if the 57 was USB 2.0... it would still be able to function, as it already does, connected to a USB 1.1 system. However, it would also be capable of using 2.0 speed, which would also allow for features to be added in the future which might require a higher speed connection.

This thread makes great reading while im waiting for my pizza to arrive

Like I said then the 57 has monopolized what is in updates

talk about getting off subject.....


Well i've had my SL1 for about a year and a half, and i been doing Video mixing for about 6-7 months with dvd's.... i decided to go with the SL57 just so i could also do video mixing in places that do not have DVJ's. But I'm still going to keep my SL1 because not all places want video mixing and I'm going to carry my mixer around everywhere....

livintown = djtbone? BAN! :P