I got two techs off of ebay for 600... What is the budget exactaly? You can find things on ebay for good prices but you gotta be a sniper... ya know set an alarm for 1 minute before the auction ends then bid right before it's over...

Yeh, i actually bought my serato system today, just looking at turntables, im going to buy 2 techs at around 650-700 so yeh hopefully it works out, i was just interested in any other ideas of other turntables out there, its just crazy how techs are the ONE and ONLY turntables to really rely on. also wads a good standard scratch mixer, for about 100-150 Range cuz i have a denon mixer but its like a 4 channel mixer and i just want something for home turntable use, but pretty good.

I've found a lot of Technic 1200s for sale on craigslist.com from $500-$750 for the pair. Save on shipping by doing business locally as those badboys are heavy.

Yo Dj Nemesis,

I bought the Tech 1210 MG5's from the Guitarcenter for about 580 a pair. My homey who dj's in Vegas told me to go str8 for 1210's. He was right. I haven't had any problems. If you have a guitarcenter near you check them out. The people there are great and they know their stuff. You can also check out www.guitarcenter.com

Happy hunting

I'm not so sure "good standard scratch mixer and "about 100-150 Range" belong in the same sentence...kinda' like oil and water there, but I'd like to hear some barebones suggestions...

I have the american audio Q-D5 MKII. I paid 149 from pssl. It has an optical crossfader that is just butter. It aint the greatest mixer but it gets me by. It also is one of the few mixers ive found at that price point that have curve controls for all 2 faders, xlr outputs, and booth and master outputs.

yeah that's cool, but if you can spare the extra change. You can get the Pioneer djm-400. I love it.

The pdx 2000's from vestax are good too. The pitch control on them is real sensitive but once you get used to that they're great. You can find them for cheap as well.

The PDX-2000's are really great tables, especially for the price. I think used ones are under $150 each now.

Hi I'm getting into serato and I'm trying to get my ducks in a row, I use numark tt1 direct drive vinyl turntables in a Grundorf
coffin and I've always been known for big bass, and I need to know some methods for isolating my tables from vibration, thanks

Dj Wildgoose

Yeh good looks everyone, i went to the store and got the serato and 2 techs 1200 MK2 for 1100, its an alright deal, turntables used of course, serato is just insane... runnin on a 1024mb Ram 100gig laptop PC, heard Macs are the best but my laptop is runnin smooth.....

That's what's good bruh.

get a piece of 2" thick foam and cut it out to the size of your coffin, then put it under the coffin.

$580 a pair? nice

Only one is $580!!!

yea there 580 a piece!!!
no way for two sorry!!!!

maybe the stanton ones!!

Trust me the 1210's are worth the price. You can't go wrong. I was told if you're going to do it do it right the first time.

are the ttx1 good for recording vinyl? i use 1200 m3d's but i also have an extra ttx1 laying around.

I use two super OEM tables. They are the shit and are IMO better than technics (also for scratching). Their engines are just out of this world! But the step (backwards ;-) to SLs on stage is wery positive. Read a review of them here www.aboutdj.nl

If you can try one out, don't hesitate. It saved me from buying SLs (which are good aswell, but IMO not as good as these babies, and more expensive). Also, for recording these babies are great aswell. I wouldn't call them better than Sls on this point, cause I think the differences are marginal.

I'm not telling you not to buy SLs: I'm just giving my 2 cents. I won't go into an (endless) flame war with anyone about my opinion. It wouldn't change my opinion about my decks anyway. I play with SLs all the time, but there are clubs who are also putting two OEM machines on stage now (besides SLs). So I guess the perception of SLs as the über decks is finally changing (took many years). Also, from a business model point of view, SLs are just to expensive. Looking at how big of a standard it is, and what their price is. It's just too high IMO. As to ruggedness. I don't think they are better than SLs. For shure there isn't any indication that they are worse than Sls.

PS. Buying second hand turntables can be risky. I know I wouldn't buy 2nd hand decks without trying them out first...

Pdx 2000's are awesome with better start and torque than 1200's. more features, lighter weight, and very very responsive. Not too different than techniques on stage, (othere than 1200's missing some features.) I love them. Two cons: plastice bolts that attach the feet of the turnable are very fragile and the feet have all broken off on the pdx 2000. the replaceable light is nice although they both snapped as well. still using these decks on the road for 6 years solid.

cheap nice mixers, only one thing comes to mind, and that is behringer. very clean sound, some bells and whistles and a few years ago I bought a three channel battle mixer with sampling for $50 red tag from pro sound and stage lighting. I also have vestax pmc 37 pro ($1,200) and the behringer, with less functions of course soudnas good or better for recording.

where can i buy a pair of these?

Dude, I don't know. I'm from The Netherlands. I just bought another one for €200 (2nd hand, but in über great shape). Don't they sell Amercian DJ branded gear in the States? They also sell a OEM table. IMO, the best looking one of the bunch.

This one www.adjaudio.com

Wow...didnt know there would be such a discussion about turntables. The industy's standard is the Technic 1200's. No matter what exact model you get, either MK2, M3D, MK5, 1210, black, silver, purple, pink, two tone or plaid....doesnt matter. They kick ass and you'll never regret it. They may be pricy, but worth it.

IMO these OEMs are better in the price-quality equation. Their drive is better than what's inside a Technics. I'm just a 4/4 dj, just think what this 4,5 kg torque motor would do for all of you scratch guys. I think the OEMs are now produced in equal amounts as the Technics. I know SLs are the standard, I see them on every gig. I also see DJM mixers all over the continent, and people buy them at home cause they know they will be familiar with it on a gig. I personally don't like the DJM standard: they completly trash against an Allen & Heath, which has become a standard as well. The same goes for the OEM tabels, I'm seeing more and more OEMs standing besides Technics. There is a change comming, cause these things are really good man. Their busness model is also more healthy: who still wants to buy a new MK2 when there is a M3D, MK5 or whatever? You should try a OEM: dj-ing on one is so damn sexy man! Trying doens't cost you a thing, does it (costed me two OEM tabels)? I predict that Technics will come with a upgraded SL with much higher torque, within 12 months.

I'll keep my fingers crossed, but I'm not laying any cash down.

If you're going to lay out the cash for the OEM, why not either 1) save up another gig for the Technics; or,
2) buy a used set of Technics.

There are good knock offs, I've used 'em and bought a few of them, But my Technics have outlasted them all.

If my Technics breaks, I call 'em up and order parts.
Good lock getting parts for you OEM.

Bottom line, saving a few bucks now will cost you every cent you saved later; all the while using a cheap turntable. I have been there, they won't last. (Come on, they're made by Stanton.) Every one knows Stanton should stick to cartridges only because their electronics suck.

Buying used gear is only worth it if you know what to look for when testing it (if testing is a possibility anyway: eBay). Believe me, I've seen very good looking machines which fit the profile of a healthy product, braking down in a few months after purchase. Even Technics die, you know.

OEMs aren't knock offs, they go beyond Technics. Also, spare parts haven't arrived to the market yet cause there is no request from the market for it. What spare parts are you aiming at anyway? Headshells or pitchfaders are all standard. The lights are LEDs and can be replaced with any led you want (think about that, just replace the led, without opening your deck at all!!). Beyond that, your dealer can fix everything you want (new machines mean 3 years off warranty). There are many spare parts for Technics, but at what (unreasonable) prices - $40 for a Technics headshell? LMAO!

Bottom line is, even when OEMs where more expensive then Techies (which they aren't), they where worth their money. They are a healthy and mature competitor for Technics. They are by no way cheap or something: the OEMs business model is just more up to date and healthier (economies of scale that pay up for the customers, something Technics should have done earlier - looking at the amount of machines they have shifted over the years). That's why the prices are so competitive.

Maybe it's a cultural barrier, that US people disgust the idea of not owning / using Technics. Here in Europe (potential) customers perceptions have matured...

1200 mkII. Built like a tank. (with switchable 220/110 AC if possible).

www.djstuart.com.ar

Stanton STR8-150's. Highest torque of any DJ turntable.

This is a OEM: the torque is the same as the Akiyama/Citronic/Sync/American DJ etc. Infact, the torque of the Citronic PD 45 II is 4,8 kg. Don't like the str8 arm design. But it has a digital/ line out and keycorrection. Great features and a very good deck indeed. Although its very expensive.

I've had my same set of 1210's for abour 15 years now, learnt to dj on them, used to cart them around in the boot of cars to parties almost every weekend for years, moved house 3 times... all the bulbs are gone but they still play solid as a rock. nuff said!

The only problem with OEM tables is the play on the tone-arm (anyone know how to do this?). You need to tweak the gimbal suspension to eliminate the play and have a 100% rocksolide tone-arm. Even VEstax have play on their tone-arms. Only Technics leave the factory without play on the tone-arm.

Yo,

I'm saying that Techincs are the best, but they are a much better product. I have the new 1210 MKG grandmasters and they are worth every dollar. When i went to the guitar center the guys said do it right with the 1210's. As T.I would say "They're Str8"

Ltizzzle
Camp Taji, Iraq

@ Trat

I have a pair of American Audio HD-4.5's (OEM build). I'm not sure if that happens from the production line. I adjusted the pivot screw and the tonearms are rock stable.

Great TTs man. But, you turned on the pivot screw on top of the arm? How did you turn it on: with some special screwdriver or with normal ones? Also, how did you knew you turned on the screw to the right amount? It appears that reaching the point where there is just the tinyest amount of plat on the tonearm is the way to go: not turning it all the way up. Goig further will break the gimball in the pivot.

Wow, only a Final Scatch owner would buy American DJ products. When you get Serato, buy real TTs.

Wow, only a retard would post such a ignorent comment. Have you actually seen or tried those tables? Technically they surpase a Technics. I know the brand name might shock you, but so could the brand name "Technics", if you didn't know that SL12s where great TTs. They are (OEM) build like that super expensive Stanton TT - which is review to be a Technics beater. "Buy real TTs", you say? And this comes from someone who encourages Rane to go build turntables? Way to go! Now, go back at giving Karaoke Dance Parties and Wedding parties...

Ouch!!! Play nice lol...

Sorry, maybe you are right. But sometimes I cann't stand the ignorence of some people. Some need to think twice before commenting something. This guy just made his whole statement for Rane to search into markets for turntables look like a joke.
Funny to see though, that Americans are so rigide in their perception about (persumed) industry standards, like Technics turntables. In Europe, it looks like people are easier thinking outside he box of standards and tend to evaluate products by them selfs (and not by obeying to industry standards and tohr peoples opinions).

Hey, all I'm sayin is

1) Your profile says you have Final Scratch
2) You feel your turntables are as good as Technics and I beg
to differ

If you want to get on me for being ignorant, you should do it on the Final Scratch forum. And I find it a bit ignorant myself to diss the United States, so we're even.

Dude, are you talking to me or to someone else? There is no profile stating that I ow FS. My profile is empty for the moment. I ow FS though, but I also ow Serato (and that's what I use). There is no way I'm going to the FS forum with this discussion, so you can just stop bragging about that. Also, I'm not stating that my decks are as good as Technics,I say they are better. You should read more carefully, before posting ignorent comments...

you should consider the TECHNIQES that dont have a "center clcik" on the pitch fader. often times too many, i find myself falling into the hole when changing pitch. There are websites that tell you how to take out the center click, but i dont feel comfortable doing so. I also dont feel comfortable with having some redneck cb technician doing it for me and charging over $100. As far as any other brand, just get the TECHNIQUES. Someone plz end this discussion for there really is no need arguing over which turntables are best. Its like asking someone if a double wide is better than a house.

True about that centre click thing: very anoying. But dude, forget it. There is allways room for discussion: it's a forum. I know for shure that the people who bought a OEM table are laughing their ass off (I know I am) about those myoptic Technics fanboys. Those OEM tables are far better. Also, they look nicer cause Technics look like 25 years old stuff to me (very unsensible argument: called an opinion). And don't make me laugh about the golden ones!!

But please, keep on buying that Technics stuff if you want to be like the consumer droids without a voice of their own. I wont brag about OEM tables. Only if people have sensible arguments I think it's worth the hasle. American people are very ignorent on this matter and now I wish them to stay that way. It's just beyond sad that people who haven't touched such a deck in their life are so full of shit about it. And now I'm going to buy a big fat joint. Byeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

i guess if i had a friend who had the OEM tables for years and they told me they are a good product, then i would consider them. untill then i would recomend sticking with the product that hasnt changed in over 30 years. disco djs used the same tables im using. and its not an "american" opinion only. its so stupid how people from a country other than USA diss our president and tell us how many people hes killing. i could care less about it as long as i can d/l mp3's and my family is safe. and by the way, smoking weed is trendy, didnt you know that, i used to smoke weed, then i stopped when trendy suburban kids started smoking.

LMAO!!! Why did you bring that up? Did I mention anything that would justify this patriotic chain reaction? I don't care for the States man. And remember: every country gets the president it deserves! BTW, very ignorent of you to think you can hide behind d/l-ing music and see your family happy. I bet you think you have a very big force field around you!

PS. I'm from The Netherlands (we had a nice president as well) and here we smoke for ages. I don't care about those hiphop losers who think they can become SnoopDogg because if they try to smoke as much as him. BTW I smoke hash, cause the weed in my country is such double pitbull grown stuff: it puts my head in clouds for the rest of the day. I tend to smoke hash to enjoy it, not to be down all day.

here comes the bragging about how your allowed to smoke marijuana. i could care less about it. if you hate USA so much, then throw your WINDOWS based box in the grassy fields of the NETHERLANDS. BILL GATES doesnt recomend you smoke weed either. It's as simple as this, you bought cheap tt's cuz you dont make a lot of money. now you try to justify it. look at my set up. i'll tell you my RADIUM 49 is great if you wanna spend $150 for a midi controller with 8 sliders and 8 knobs. but i will also tell you the keys are not weighted. you think electronic music is about smoking weed. immature little brat. i can do more acid than you anyhow.

After reading other posts by the chief instigator on this otherwise intellectual post, I feel it is time to unsubscribe from this discussion. I guess potheads aren't capable of some constructive discourse. At least I got him to update his profile.

Almost forgot, The only American thing the America hater likes is the American DJ crap that us Americans recognize as inferior.

Haha, now I'm an American hater! And something about a USB keyboard... You guys are beyond sad. Here is a nice animation for Karaoke Pete and vector. www.sickanimation.com

It's funny that you guys are calling that deck the OEM deck, when a huge chunk of the turntable/mixer market is OEMs and most of the parts that make up a 1200 are also OEM.
As a longtime 1200 owner, i have to say the HTD4.5s/Stanton Str8150/Citronic whatever are actually really nice decks. When i hear someone totally writing off a product based on reputation with no real actual experience with that particular model, that makes me very dubious about the validity of anything else they say. There is no one 'best' at anything in audio or performance.

Also, the decks massproduced nature in this case is a good thing, it allows the manufacturer to build a good turntable at a good price, something Technics have always had an unfair advantage at due to economies of scale. Because they buy componants (you know, the OEM parts Technics uses to build its decks?) in much larger numbers they can get them cheaper, and they never need to retool or do R+D.
A few years ago all the scratch/hiphop DJs would laugh at you if you suggested using anything but Vestax. I saw people dismissing the Rane 56 left and right without even really trying it.... and look what they're using now...

Agree with you Soda.

Hahahahahahahaha!!!! LMFAO!

ID say just go for the Technics thats what Im doing 2morrow when i buy my first pair :) Its just more well known and incase you end up being a club dj u can just use theirs and not lug around ur stuff all day long and kill ur back hehe plus Technics have proven to be the long lasting quality turntable Id say go for quality rather than cheap cost It will save u in the long run GL OH yea IM dutch too hehe But IM from Canada EH! lol hehe was a damn shame we lost in the world cup a Shame i say!! hehe domen fooootbaal!

I've had the same 1210s for 12 or 13 years now, and apart from having 1 pitch replaced about 3 years ago, they are still great.
The quality of buid is astonishing... these have been lugged around to many gigs and parties... I would never use anything else. I know the feel of Technics, and every club I play in has tham. Standard.

There are other good decks, sure; but while every club has Technics in, I'll stick with my babies, and would recommend them to others any day.

There are clubs now who also put a pair of those OEM decks on stage. Cool that they last so long, but you will want to buy new ones anyway after 7/8 years, so it's not really a USP.

Just so everyone knows....

The person that started this thread bought decks over a MONTH ago so it's a moot point now...

And just so you know, he bought TECHNICS... ;-)

I'm getting started with SSL myself and you know what I bought?

Technics SL-DZ1200's... what else am I buying?
Technics SL1200's....

Why? Because they have a reputation for lasting a hella long time. I don't want to buy decks every 2-3 years or even every 4-5 years. I want a pair of decks that I can use for 10 years or more with little to no repair and the Technics have that reputation.

And no, the Technics SL-DZ1200's don't have the 'greatest' reputation - a lot of people prefer the Denon 3500's or Pioneer's to them but it's my choice. And just so you know, I 'could' have gotten the Denon 3500's for the same price as the Technics.

Gear is a personal choice... Pick what you like and use it. What am I planning to learn on? A pair of Numark 1510's... a belt drive turntable that's dirt cheap - especially USED like the pair I'm considering picking up - but a weak belt drive turntable will give me a VERY light touch...

We all buy gear for different reasons... pick what you want and live with your decision... stop bitching about everybody else's stuff and how much drugs you can do.... I've gone 37 years using only my 3 drugs of choice - caffiene, nicotine, and alcohol... so what... I lived in Alaska and they have GREAT weed up there... doesn't matter - I'm straight when I work... I'm BETTER that way....

Exactly for the reasons you buy a SL1200, you should have bought a Pioneer cd deck. I've seen SL1200's break withing two years without any abuse. These thing happen. Don't buy gear because it lasts a lifetime: you wouldn't still be wanting to mix on you old SL1200 (with click on pitchfader), would you? New and better things come allong and some adopt them. I did, and I moved over SL1200.

The last part of your triade doesn't make any sense :)

I started on shitty decks, belt drives and then as I began to catc hon to the madness so did my spending - upgrading and trying everytihing out.. Not sure why going to the top is a better way. When you come over and I have my early stuff setup Stanton STR8-80's I watch you TECH only fuggers drop the ball and start crying.. Who's the big man now? I'll get you a tissue.

For the love of god - if it spins vinyl, as a dj you should be able to play on it.

Kagen i got you beat im rockin str8-60s they suck balls but they are my first pair of decks so i love em.

My first deck was a STR8-50, soon to be followed next paycheck by a STR8-60... that was my first pair.... This is the combo that I learned to match a beat on. I forced myself to be semi good at catching the beat before I stepped up to the 80's. In many ways I'm very glad I took the hard road. It took me 3 months.... But the day I brought home and unpacked those new decks, I walked right in to a world of fun. I sold off the others and then was only out a $100 bucks for a brand new matching pair. I still have my 80's and actually have replaced the RCA's and one needing a fix a few years later. I mucked it up. But I cannot let them go.. They are still extremely LIGHTWEIGHT and in oddysey cases and I'll roll them quickly to a little house get togather and play on them with a mixer on a bridge... They are worth more to me and what I'd get for them on Ebay.

I don't always make sense... that's part of my charm... ;-)

Yes, all decks 'can' break without any abuse. But to be honest, I'd rather walk into a club that had a pair of Pioneer Technics SL1200's (or it's newer variants) sitting there than anything else because I know what to expect. You can buy what you want, and we all have reasons for what we've bought, and the funny thing is, even if we don't like what we bought we'll defend it because we don't want to think we made a bad decision.

To be totally honest, why am I buying Technics SL1200's?

1. They have a reputation for lasting a long time... it's a quality product.
2. I hear 100 people saying how good they are to every 1 I hear talk about ANYTHING else.
3. I got a good deal on it - I paid only $229 for my first deck - about $35 more than I would have paid for a Stanton STR8-60.

Why did I buy the SLDZ's?

1. I like the feature set - especially being able to play music from the SD card.
2. I like the appearance - ok, when I say this I sound like a chick but it's true - I just like the way these decks look!
3. They're a decent product and have a feel similar to the SL1200's based on all the reviews I've seen.
4. The company has a reputation for building a quality product.

Yes, they have some issues and most consider the Pioneer CDJ's a better product but I'll have to live with my decision...


Besides, the hardest piece of equipment to upgrade is located squarely behind the decks!
I'm on the lookout now for another good deal...

But you will most likely don't find them in clubs: exactly the opposite the reason why you buy SL1200...

Actually the company has a reputation for building a quality turntable, they screw up pretty much everything else. Actually their headphones are ok.

They obtained the industry standard by accident: the rest of they're products didn't become standards at all. Unlike Pioneer, who managed to gain standards even with rubbish products (DJM line mixers, brrrr).

Yep... I never said I was using the same reasons for buying each of them...

I could have gotten the Denon 3500's for the same price but don't like the feel of the decks... the CDJ 1000's I'd like to get are just too damn expensive... ($1200 for the MK III's).

Makes no sense to use different reasons. This actually weakens your arguments for buying a SL1200. Why you need the MKIII btw? Industry standard is MKII, it won't be MKIII for a long time... Not a big difference either...

Trat,

We may never change your mind, just as you'll never change ours. But it would be a boring world if we didn't have choices. The great thing about what we do is that we choose our music and equipment just like a musician chooses an instrument. Although we disagree on our gear, the user ultimately does the performance; and while advice is generally appreciated, the Technics community is very happy with their product - just a you are with yours. I don't think this discussion has anywhere left to go.

Pete's point is very important. Some things need to be standardised, like connectors and the width of railway tracks. For other things it is important that there is a choice, and when there is a choice people exercise that choice.

If Denon and technics hadn't made there own CD decks, Pioneer would have quit at the CDJ1000 MkI. If Numark wern't pushing virtual vinyl, there would be little motivation for Serato to carry on improving SSL.

It's important never to buy a product simply because it is the most common, this may be a factor in your choice but you should always do your research, try stuff out and buy the best product for you. If people don't do that development will grind to a halt.

Anyway...

I'm not saying that those decks are on par with SL12's, I'm saying that they are better.

PS. I hope that virtual deck Numark vinyl isn't seen by Serato as a (major) competing product cause we all know what will happen next: bloated SSL with video crap!

Pretty sure Serato isnt going to make any bloated video crap any more then Rane is going to put windows in a TTM.

my 1200s are over a decade old, still work perfectly. I dont need any new tables.

And I like center click

Center click sucks big time IMO, I'm glad my TTs doesn't have it. You could remove it, there are some guides on the Internet that will explain how to do it, no problem.

It's very nice that TTs go over 10 years old, but seriously: who wants to use a product that long? By that time there are far better products on the market. Say the SL1 casing was very good and it would last 10 years, who would care?

If it does the job and newer alternatives don't do anything significantly better, than why would you *not* want to use a product that long? The 1200's in my studio are nearly 20 years old....and I'm glad, I don't have to spend more money on repairs or replacements.

It seems more than a little odd to me, after reading some of your other less-than-flattering remarks about the United States, to see you espousing the worst in stereotypical American "consumeristic"/"throw-away society" type thinking.



We had a nice president too: Bill Clinton, Jimmy Carter...both really nice, enlightened people. Jimmy Carter has spent the last third of his life literally running around the planet working his ass off trying to make the world a better place. On behalf of all Americans, I apologize for Bush...he just sucks. We've had terrible presidents in the past also, and somehow we've managed to pick up and move on (hopefully we'll do that this time without having to go through another Civil War).

We also had a *really* nice president, Franklin D. Roosevelt, who among other things was the guy in charge when those "States" you "don't care for" very literally made sure *you* didn't have to grow up under a Nazi regime.

I very strongly dislike many things this country does and has done, but you owe it to yourself to do some objective historical research before making sweeping comments that you "don't care for" a whole country. If everyone bothered to to that we've be fighting a lot less useless battles, among many other benefits.

But dude, these OEM are significant better than SL's..

Not in any aspect that matters to me. And, according to the review (which for the most part reads like it was written by someone with a strong vested interest in selling those turntables) you linked, they're significantly inferior in one thing that matters very much. Buried in the middle of Page 7:

"We also tested the turntable in a club where an SL had a little problem with resonance. This is the only point where it doesn’t equals the SL because it’s less subdued.
So the SL is better because of its internet component that subdue the resonance. It has got a shitload of weight inside the table, attached to the deckplate."

Poor writing aside (I assume "internal" was intended where "internet" was written), I can attest to the accuracy of that from personal experience. Put those "OEM" turntables anyplace with a lot of bass, and the deckplate/platter/tonearm all resonate wildly. Even with the turntables otherwise well-isolated, the non-damped platters have a resonance that gets excited by a loud system (where the Technics, having damping under the platters, don't resonate at all in the same installation).

Maybe for a bedroom DJ, or for some smaller place the "OEM" models would be acceptable (although *I* wouldn't use them *anywhere* because that resonance still screws up the sound). I can tell you with great confidence that no installer/sound engineer of any repute is going to put those things in anyplace where there's something resembling a real sound system.

Dude, I last weekend I played on two of those American Audio TT's: they stood besides two SL12's. I didn't had any trouble with that resonance stuff. If you doubt about the sound system: it was a pretty real sound system. Interesting stuff though, didn't know about that.

These decks are excellent replacements for SL12's. For the home DJ? Well, yes off course also for the home DJ: I have my decks always at home dude! No need to drag all your stuff to gigs, they always have everything there!

I have a Crown Macro-Tech 1200 that is 12 years old. It still rocks, and it rocks HARD. I have a Rane MP24 mixer that is close to ten years old and it sounds like new. I have 8 year old EV speakers that I love, not to mention most of my cases. My stuff has some road wear, but it still works great; that's why I invest in good gear, so it doesn't need replaced very often. Very little has changed mechanically in the turntable world lately and there isn't a whole lot to change. Trat, you're welcome to use your TTs; just as we're welcome to use ours. You don't have to convert us. And you have to admit that American DJ doesn't exactly have a great rep for anything besides TTs either; I think that is why a lot of us are apprehensive.

I would buy some CDJ1000 MK2/3 and use those and not worry about spinning on TT's I have a set of 1210's and I never take them out because there a one too heavy to transport, compared to the CDJ's and the CDJ's are just rock solid....... I say F*** buying needles and tuning the 12's, I will play on them if the club has them but I would much rather lug around the CDJ's plus you never wear out your tracks or have to buy replacement SSL vyn. you can just burn more SSL CD's

the CDJ1000's
The SL1200

thats a rap!!! you know when you go to the club, or the radio station that is what they are most likely going to have. Both of those products are rock solid, its been proven,

and on a side note, those Tech CD players are WACK!!! they look pretty though

Whatever, I don't know dj's who take their gear on the road anyway. That's more in the league of weeding party dj...

Trat, trat.

soldersucker is basically a tube that you depress a plunger that when trigger will create suction and sucks hot liquid soldier away from a circuit board. Essentially freeing up and exposing the element so it can be removed.

This is absolutely untrue. The 1200's became "standard" because they were the only turntable selling for a reasonable price that was highly reliable and resistant to resonance/vibration.

The resistance to resonance/vibration is an area where no other "DJ" turntable has yet bettered the Technics 1200's. It would certainly be possible, with the newer materials/technology/knowledge that's around today, to come up with something better than the 1979-vintage Technics design...but it hasn't happened yet. All I see would-be competitors doing is gratuitous feature/cosmetic add-ons, poor-quality copying of the basic design, and leaving out the vibration damping (presumably to save cost and weight).

I actually *hope* someone (perhaps Technics themselves) comes up with a truly worthwhile 1200 replacement....one with a better tonearm among other things (non-resonant carbon-fiber would be far preferable to the current design). The problem is that this would require significant R&D investment, as compared to simply re-using the late-70's design (or making a half-assed copy of it with brain-dead feature add-ons).

There wasn;t any other player on the market for DJ-TT's so the market got saturated with SL12s. When this happens and there are high switching costs, a company (like Technics) can stay dormant for a long time and don;t do anything new at all. Everybody will be bored by something new cause nobody wants to switch.
Technics isn't really a great innovative company, so I doubt these type of (future) innovations will come from them. Just look what they did to their DJ cd player: boy you see them around in dj boots... not (they couldn't make a standard here). The real innovations come from other companies (no click pitch fader; higher torque drive; higher pitch range; detachable RCA cables; etc) and Technics just copies them. They are like the whole play station story.

PS. I can afford SL12s, but I chose (rationally) for something else...

you can afford them just buy some on Ebay, I sold my original 12's I won a pair of 1210's in a DJ Battle in Germany back in the 90's so they stayed in the box for about 10 years, only time I take my shit on the road is when the club has wack shit like those Tech 12 CDplayers, those things are the worst money a man can waste on some DJ gear

I don't play such clubs...

well one spot I played the fucking pitch was off so bad from one 12 to the other , I'm like damm do they even give a fuck?

I like center click, it lets me know where I am without looking. I would never take it off.

Whatever Akiem, I always know where I am without looking. Right now, I'm at my pc...

DJ KAGEN- in your opinion, is performing the task of removing the center click an easy job? have you used a solder sucker? the thing im worried about is if the solder starts to spread out all over the board after ive heated it and before i can get it with the sucker.

I have never attempted to remove the center click on a tech.
I have used a solder sucker many many times. Using a soldiering iron to heat up solder doesn't make it turn to water and run away, it just stays put in a gel like state, get the solder sucker right above it and press the button - in a whossing sound the liquid jumps off the board and instantly cools in the soldier sucker tube.. depressing the solder sucker plunger using makes the last stuff fall out the tube and you can see what you removed.

Playing with solder is not a tough thing, but if you're goofing around with an expensive deck you may want to rip apart an old boom box or some shit and remove solder from it and put it back for practice - give yourself a few minutes to get the hang ot it.

Whatever Trat, youre pretty smart there buddy, but do you know where Im at?

I like center click, I can always find 0 in low light or while Im looking at something else. Especially if I need to quickly match the pitch between the two. I find it annoying when I play on a set without it because I have to look at the numbers instead of go right to 0 by touch.

For the same reason I use weights on my carts so I dont have to fiddle with the numbers setting up the proper balance.

Also I find it laughable when companies put out product that is meant to sale by looking alike. It touches on dishonest because it is meant to fool less knowledgeable customers into to buying there product because they dont know the difference. Its only a step away from bootleg to steal all the visual cues from the leading product. I dont respect it, andwouldnt touch that shit. If the company believes the are putting out better product hen they should want to stand out, not emulate.


I have four 1200s. Probably the best purchases I have ever made. The depreciation is very low. I could sale them, even ten years later for near what I paid for them. While the value of most of my other equipment goes down these stay true.

As far as innovations, havnt wanted any. And "higher" specs like torque or whatever really just change the "feeling" Im comfortable with how my tables feel.

I just cant imagine anything being such an improvement to cause me to spend any money on while I have two perfectly good sets of 1200s

I'm beginning to doubt at where you are...



I really don't have to, sorry. But there are also people who think it's normal to pick up the wrong record from the deck. So it could be me, after all.



I seldom take my cards with me, the facilities i gig always have proper equipment and I seldom have to fiddle around on weights and stuff. Serato always works well: even no need calibrate. But then again, I don;t do that scratch juggling stuff: just mix records.



Actually, I think SL12s look ugly and squared and I wouldn't want them standing in my home (where I keep things I like). The decks I have now IMO look much nicer, everyone says wow. There is no steal, since there is no patenting on the visual aspects of the systems. If people like the squared stuff, they can buy a Sl12. It's not that they are way of priced or so... My decks actually got lots of additional features also, especially for the scratch pickles: double start buttons (for battle positioning of the decks) and a much higher torque: my decks stops and starts in under 0,2 sec...



Hope for you that there are better purchases in your life than two pair of decks, but ok... Depreciation depends on the state the decks are in. I guess the older Sl12's (MK2 stuff) will see some drop in resale value in the future. But, all those SL12 lover boys are are bragging about that they will never sell their decks and bla bla bla: so the depreciation value isn't (and shouldn't) really a selling point, it's paradoxical after all...




Sure you want it, but you just don't know it yet. That's why Technics got so fat and lazy with their product: everyone wants to be the same and no one needs any change. I thought the same: changed completely after "toughing" those new decks (something so shitty, you wouldn't want to, you said earlier - you sound like a Play station 2 fanboy)



Your imagination clearly is at a low threshold: you should widen up a little bit. No body is going to laugh at you when you try out some new (alien) gear. If someone offered me 3 SL12's for 2 of my decks, I wouldn't hesitate and do it: only to sell them later on and to buy these decks again (with maybe a 3rd one). Sorry, I really like them but I don't mind SL12s as well. It's just... well, they are very replaceable...

Excellent, 'doubt' is the first step on the road to enlightenment.







well then you dont want the center click, I do.
I havnt picked up the wrong record for well over a decade. I dont know what that has to do with the center click tho.







I dont do a whole lot more then mix records either, sometimes juggle, scratch some choruses.... Maybe not there but here in the states proper DJ edict dictates that you bring your own carts, headphones, and often slipmats. I definitely dont enjoy warm sweaty headphones of the guy before me, and I dont care to use needles that have marinating in the previous guys saliva, dander and dust all night. In fact I dont ever remember a club providing needles going back to the summer of '89. carried them in my hand.





Well I actually prefer my technology to be cubic. I enjoy the single unbroken line that runs from the right corner of my right tech through my TTM56+ all the way to the left corner of my left tech. If I want people to say "wow" I show them the mounted touch screen.

looks? www.adjaudio.com dude this is clearly meant to be mistaken for a 1200. It is meant to separate the unsuspecting fourteen year old from his moms money. These are clearly "knock offs". And I wont buy shit from companies who resort to those tactics. Yesterday this kid had a "PB" on his shirt like "FUBU" made laugh first cause Its been years since I seen that bootleg, second it made think of this discussion. hahaaa

I dont need dual start/stops because Im comfortable and used to where they are, I switched to battle position over a decade ago. I dont need more torque, because I dont do lots of stop/start but when I do my techs are already up to speed by the time my hand touches the wax.











Thanks for the sentiment, but there are better purchases in my life, just not in the DJ equipment or even pro audio departments. Uh, it doesnt mater if the market is dictated by brand loyalty, or a loverboy fetish, what maters is that its stable. I know the depreciation is low, has been low, and will be low. I cant say the same for anything from American Audio.

For me I would never buy a new 1200 because there are plenty near new used ones to buy. On several occasions Ive purchased 1200s for around $200 a piece, cleaned them up and sold them for around $300 a piece. Thats not going to happen with that american crap.








No, I do not want it. The only fanboy is you trying to convince me I want some crap that I dont. thats a fanboy.

Any of the techs without center click I dont want, but I do resale them when I catch them cheap. And I do think that MK2s were built better then MK3s, thats just been my experience.

Playstation, I dont know what you are talking about with that, I dont play games.


As for as "changing"
Literally, Ive played in over one hundred venues, in about half as many cities, and in each and everyone of them, Technics 1200s. Why the hell would I want to become familiar with some other bullshit decks home if I was going to be playing on 1200s anyway?

Technics the company, I really dont care about. I went for the Pioneer CDJs, and Ive never considered their mixers. Its not any brand loyalty or fanboy shit.












uh, you can stay wide for the alian technology, or whatever your talking about.

Imagination:
I did consider something other then a Tech for a sampling workstation, I wanted digital outs to bypass any mixer for space. I decided against because I didnt want to be stuck with whatever D/A converter. Modular. Glad I didnt because in a couple months I plan on many sessions of all four of my Techs ripping vinyl simultaneously.
I had had four Vestax in a row before I switched to Rane, and even considered the new Vestax with the dual outs till the 57 dropped.

I know what tables I need, all the better because they happen to also be the industry standard. That has nothing to do with my imagination.


If someone gave me two american audio turntables I would sale them and buy one 1200s.

Couldn't have said it better.

Trat, I feel sorry for you not being able to read properly. No one said it is normal, some just said that it *can* happen (but should not happen). You seem to beat a dead horse, trat.

well i juss got scratch live!!! its tight!!! but i have a question for every one??? is it true that scratch live runs slower on mumark ttx1 than on technics... cuz i learnd on numarks and i wanna know which ones to get??? Help!!!!!!

DJ Reneli, Im not sure but I think that question belongs in the 'help' section with its own topic, not tacked on here.

BUT, whatever you do, DO NOT under any circumstance use this turntable: www.adjaudio.com

If you do your entire system will sound like six and one half grandmothers passing gas in unison. And the negative effects will linger with you for a good four to five years.

I know this was posted back awhile ago but i just saw it, I have the numark ttx and Not only is it awesome for recording but its great for Scratch Live because they are Digital they require no grounding!! You dont even have calibrate in setup because the circles come out Perfect

Nah man they dont run slower... IF they did that would be because you got a slow computer... nothing to do with the turntable, Now which 1 you would get would be dependent on what kind of dj you are... If you play in Clubs you better know Technics... if your doin it for fun it wouldnt really matter... i have both i use the numark ttx for recording.. and i take my techs out to play

*moved to general*

Ok... so I bought the Technics SL-DZ1200's because it was what I wanted and the same for the SL1200's. I LIKE the feel of the SL-DZ's and I'm tempted to buy the SLM1200 mixer because of the auto start and digital input features that work with the SLDZ's. Would most people go that route? No... but I like playback from an SD card, I like the feel of the platters (unlike the Denons). I bought the SL1200's because they're recommended time and time again.

Would I buy these 'OEM' tables everyone is talking about? I don't know... Who are they OEM'd for? OEM is an anacronym for 'Original Equipment Manufacturer'. It's like buying an unbranded product. If OEM is a company I've never heard of them. And to be honest, I don't generally buy from a company that I've never heard of or products I've never seen. I tried that with a wireles mic - I gave it away because it was CRAP.

We all have reasons for buying what we use... could I have bought a Pioneer CDJ? Sure, I saw a CDJ 1000 Mk II for $650 the other day - but why spring for those when I got something that's just as good for using with Serato for LESS money? Sure I could spend $1400 on new Technics turntables - but why? I can get VERY good used for a hell of a lot less. And to be honest, I LIKE the feeling of the Technics SLDZ's better than the Pio CDJ 1000's. The 'sound' on scratching isn't as good - but it doesn't matter if you're using SSL!

We can argue about this all day long but products that stand up to being hauled in and out of gigs every week aren't that common.

There have been some interesting points made in this thread, and I'm kind of hoping "Brat" doesn't find it in its newly-moved location. Enough said.

[quote
BUT, whatever you do, DO NOT under any circumstance use this turntable: www.adjaudio.com


Bad table indeed, but no one said you you should buy one...

With real you mean these? www.amazon.com

Except for their headphones (and of course, the SL1200), all other DJ stuff Technics launched is kinda crap. And jet you bought their CD turntable. Well, it may look nice, but it really is no match for the CDJs. You won't find it at any gig, I can assure you.

The OEM tables are manufactured by one company, which leaves open options for augmentations, so that every 2nd party (Stanton, American DJ, Citronic) can let them add stuff whatever they desire. Technically all those tables are the same. Who initially builds them: I don't know. To be honest, it really doesn't matter for me. I din't knew a single product from Rane / Serato. I knew they build mixers for the Hip Hop music league, but that was it - I never toughed one. Turned out that they produced the best digital DJ product in the world: so I bought it. Same goes for these decks.

Owing a pair of these decks actually improved my skills on SL12s which still dominated the field (and which IMO feel kinda cheap after playing on these decks, especially the correction behavior). So, this adds up to the deal on my decks.

You guys using the SL1200DZ are really happy??

Watch this and you can see, HOW "good" those silly things perform when moving the platter while "keylock" is active...

Watchwww.youtube.com

horrible

Haha damn!

Well its hard for me to take a company seriously that puts out crap like that.

You got it playa !!

Since when did "Recommendations for turntables used for Serato" turn into "LOL@the imitators of the Technics" and "LOL, Technics fail at going digital"

1. Yes, I have the 1200's and yes I'm happy with them.
2. I don't use the pitchlock when I'm scratching - it sounds like crap.
3. The sound is better when you turn on vinyl emulation.
4. Since I'll be using them with SSL it won't matter anyway... SSL handles the actual playback...

And I'm happy with my SL1200 as well.... ;-)

Well its hard for me to take a company seriously that puts out crap like that.

So, if Rane would produce a mixer and American DJ would be allowed to stick their name on it and sell it, it will be crap?

Dude, you should ditch your decks and buy two of these; much better man. www.amazon.com

Well its hard for me to take a company seriously that puts out crap like that.

BTW, your remark clearly states that you have never seen all the other (totally) crap TTs Technics produced besides SL12s...

If Ol' Dirty Bastard took shit on the moon, would it be a moon rock?

wtf are you talking about?

I don't want gear with an "american" logo on it either anyway.

sorry, it doesnt state that at all.
my first set of tables ever were wack as fuck Technics. I was only a young boy and had no idea that there was even such a thing as pro. Belt drive son. But they wernt marketed to DJs, they were meant for casual home hi fi use. I didnt know beter.

www.adjaudio.com Is this meant for home use? If it is then why does it look exactly like 1200? For fun? no, its dishonest.

Dude, I'm talking about this table: www.adjaudio.com

There is no us flag on it, so don't be shy. Why do you live in the states if you hate it's flag anyway? Might as well leave...

allvintagestore.com

lol

Dude, I know what table you are talking about. And I am talking about this company www.adjaudio.com which also makes this turntable www.adjaudio.com , obviously a cheap knock off of this turntable www.panasonic-europe.com And because this company www.adjaudio.com seams to have no problem making cheap knock offs, I find their ethical standards to be questionable at best. Therefore I will not trust any product that they might produce. Yes that does include this turntable www.adjaudio.com







I dont know why you are asking me that in this thread but.......

First, I see a difference between a government and the land that it supposedly occupies. It is not a banner that I choose to fly or have elegance to as a sovereign person. I often dont like what it stands for, and I think the design is ugly.
And leave, why? My ancestry, all that Ive been able to find, has been here longer than that flag has even existed. This place belongs to me by birth right that supersedes the claims of a government. That being said I dont plan to live on this part of the earth forever, so its a good thing that I dont recognize boarders.

Where should I move, the Netherlands?

I love you for that comment. Seriously.

nik39 = nihilistic anti-patriot

;)

It would still be junk if they changed their name to "Netherlands DJ"

Lol, good remark. Now, back to the garage to practice wedding gigs...

Dude, that table is excellent. It's the same as those über expensive Stanton decks. It's absolutely not crap. In the Netherlands these things are just €50 cheaper than SL12s. Have you actually tried it? The whole argument about budget and so on is irrelevant: I didn't bought them cause they where (little) cheaper, I bought them cause they are better.







No dude, the last thing we need is Americans that will smoke up all the pod there is and drive up the prices...

Trat has a point. Immitators are not necessarily bad. M-Audio is coming out with a live DJ interface similar to Serato. Who is to say that their product is bad because it will never be a Scratch Live? The way I see it, immitation is a compliment.

This thinking that Tech are the only decks out there, or that you should only get Techs is just crazy... Many other decks do exist, with higher specs more features and great feel. Granted you will not play on them at a club, but who are you to say that I cannot enjoy the EXTRA features while I mobile or create mixtapes at home? These decks DO NOT mess up my touch, I can virtually walk up to any deck and play on it, so where is the issue? Tell you what, I'd love to be in Tech shoes, you freaks are just what every company needs - inside the box thinking and overpaying for a product.

Dude, If we were f2f I would mockingly make a hand motion that starts out in front of my face and quickly moves to the back of my head while making a sound like race car going by. Then I would say "right over your head"

We are right back where we started then huh?


discourse being futile, I will just say: no, you are wrong, those tables suck cock






well since you couldnt gather from the above, I dont really consider myself to be "american". and a dont smoke weed. so, great looks like I found a new home. 240v over there right? excellent my Technics 1200s will work over there too!

I dont care what other people use, I dont care if you use $89 Peknics 1300NKIIIs

But if you ask me what I recommend, its 1200s, for reasons already stated.

And, they are what I choose for reasons already stated.

I dont think I would buy much else from Panasonic/Technics because most of what else they have to offer sucks. Im not a brand loyal costumer.

If you need/want extra features and specs, by all means get something else! Just keep in mind that the resale value will likely be low, and all extra features you practice with wont be at the club. and so on....

Unlikely, but if some other turntable becomes the standard, I would probably switch. And as good a company I think Serato is, if someone really drops something allot beter, I would switch too. The difference is a turntable standard is allot more important then a software standard.

So basically, the only advantage of owning Technics turntables are that they are installed in every club and that it will last more than 20 years. Most club owners buy Technics, why? Because they don't want to pay for repairs and/or new equipment.

^^^^^
no

as stated already:

the value retention is very high. you can sale them used for near new prices.

for many DJs no other features are wanted (there is nothing else I want on my turntables, nothing)

for many DJs no higher specs are required (I just dont need more torque. can they be made to last even longer? maybe. or maybe they are already heirlooms. better cables would be nice, but there are Techs made with female rcas)

Thats why I recommend them, and use them. And I see absolutely no reason to buy anything else. There are no other features I a want. There are no higher specs that I want. I like the design, and havnt seen better.

and on top of all that I have made a profit casually renting them out for $50 each from time to time. And that is because they are the standard. So cash flow wise I have turned a profit, I doubt highly that any owner of any other brand has turned a profit.

I dont know what else can be said

WOW - Actually clubs do like to spend money PERIOD.. I have spun on many FUCKED UP DECKS - that happened to be TECHS.. not saying other decks last any better but don't come off acting like those are rock solid and never in need of repair.

--- VERY CLOSE MINDED
If I ever see you say you want anything added to SSL - then you are completely FULL OF IT.. To bad Technics doesn't have a forum, I'm sure you'd be over there whining about reverse, more torque, no click in the middle of the pitch, more pitch range, etc. -- oh the list goes on...

please, I've never said it. And I have struggle through many sessions on shit Techs. Thats why my rider states clearly "Technic 1200s In good working order, especially the rca wires"

The fact still remains that my Techs are over a decade old, and still work perfectly. I have toured with them, moved across country at least three times, moved a lot of places, so.....





--- VERY CLOSE MINDED
If I ever see you say you want anything added to SSL - then you are completely FULL OF IT.. To bad Technics doesn't have a forum, I'm sure you'd be over there whining about reverse, more torque, no click in the middle of the pitch, more pitch range, etc. -- oh the list goes on...

whatever baby,
You are wrong about what I want in a turntable.

Reverse: thought about adding it to my Techs but decided not, because I really dont think I would use it. Especially having SSL.

Torque: I really dont need anymore because everytime I press start and then touch the tables they are already up to speed. I just dont do any tricks or remote starts. I wouldnt want less, but it is fine where it is at for me.

Click: I use the click often, and would never consider removing it. And it annoys me to ne end when I use them Techs that use the push button instead of the click. ha, I dont even know why you bring up a click because there already is a Tech without a click.

Pitch range: Ive never wanted more. When I play I rarely if ever go beyond -2 to +6. Now way back when I got my first sampler and didnt have shit for ram, I would set it at 45 and pitch it up when sampling to save memory. Uh needless to say that would be pretty stupid now a day.

Braking: Ive thought of a switch that would adjust the breaking, even considered adding one myself. But then I realised that it would just be set on full breaking all the time anyway, there is no reason that I would want it to break softer. I opened them up and adjusted it. And if I do want a supper slow break, I just cut the power, what I have been doing forever. And would still do even with a break adjustment.

Also:

Cables: yes I wish there were more robust rcas. I did replace mine with some nice thick gold joints. I dont remember ever coming across any audio equipment with anything other then the standard. And if I really wanted there is a Tech with female rcas, so.

Pop Up Light: Yes a longer lasting pop up light would be good. I did replace mine with blue leds. And yes again there are modals with longer lasting lights.

Digital Outs: That was the closest Ive ever come to buying something other then a Tech, I wanted a digital out to bypass the mixer. But I decided against because I didnt want to be stuck with that A/D, and decided to keep it modular, glad I did...

Feedback: Ive always wanted some modifications, I dont know what to specificaly target the feedback bass frequencies. But now I have SSL anyway.

Straight Arm: eh, the S arm is fine with me. Ive never really tried a straight arm so I dont know about that. I could get a mod for it.

45/33/78: Well I dont remember having any 78s and there is a Tech that plays 78s

Does the list go on?

I cant really think of anything else, what should I be looking at?

And on top of that I still have two sets of decks, when one fails (whatever year that is) I have another set siting right there in their own flight cases and everything. So when the time comes, if Im not dumb, blind and crazy, I will try to remember back to this thread to inspire myself to take a look at something else.

Well that is of course unless anyone can point out some table that has something on it that will make me say "oooh gotta have that! just gotta shell out another grand on those babes"

Didnt I say all this already? yes, I think I did. hmmmmmm?

AKIEM LMOA. Take it easy man, it's just a discussion. And telling that you would hit me when you see me is beyond sad. If I ever see you in Amsterdam I will drown you in one of those canals :)

All that hard work in the post above is worthy, but the arguments you give are sometimes weak and subjective. Saying that a pitch range from 8% +/- is enough and you don't need anything more is very ignorant for example. I can only give you credit on the Straight Arm comment: don't buy that.

I bet that when you play on one of those tables (whether it's Stanton or ADj) you will be surprised, as I was. I can see that, since you know what it's all about. They are really great and for the scratch pickles: really stabilized decks.

I can resume my whole experience for (all of) you: after playing on those OEM decks, SL12s feel kinda cheap. Alright, they can grow up to 20 years (although clubs tend to replace them every 4 years) and they are installed everywhere (they are the standard). But hey, so are Pioneer DJM mixers, and we are not buying those either, are we?

whatever baby,
You are wrong about what I want in a turntable.

Reverse: thought about adding it to my Techs but decided not, because I really dont think I would use it. Especially having SSL.

Torque: I really dont need anymore because everytime I press start and then touch the tables they are already up to speed. I just dont do any tricks or remote starts. I wouldnt want less, but it is fine where it is at for me.

Click: I use the click often, and would never consider removing it. And it annoys me to ne end when I use them Techs that use the push button instead of the click. ha, I dont even know why you bring up a click because there already is a Tech without a click.

Pitch range: Ive never wanted more. When I play I rarely if ever go beyond -2 to +6. Now way back when I got my first sampler and didnt have shit for ram, I would set it at 45 and pitch it up when sampling to save memory. Uh needless to say that would be pretty stupid now a day.

Braking: Ive thought of a switch that would adjust the breaking, even considered adding one myself. But then I realised that it would just be set on full breaking all the time anyway, there is no reason that I would want it to break softer. I opened them up and adjusted it. And if I do want a supper slow break, I just cut the power, what I have been doing forever. And would still do even with a break adjustment.

Also:

Cables: yes I wish there were more robust rcas. I did replace mine with some nice thick gold joints. I dont remember ever coming across any audio equipment with anything other then the standard. And if I really wanted there is a Tech with female rcas, so.

Pop Up Light: Yes a longer lasting pop up light would be good. I did replace mine with blue leds. And yes again there are modals with longer lasting lights.

Digital Outs: That was the closest Ive ever come to buying something other then a Tech, I wanted a digital out to bypass the mixer. But I decided against because I didnt want to be stuck with that A/D, and decided to keep it modular, glad I did...

Feedback: Ive always wanted some modifications, I dont know what to specificaly target the feedback bass frequencies. But now I have SSL anyway.

Straight Arm: eh, the S arm is fine with me. Ive never really tried a straight arm so I dont know about that. I could get a mod for it.

45/33/78: Well I dont remember having any 78s and there is a Tech that plays 78s

Does the list go on?

I cant really think of anything else, what should I be looking at?

And on top of that I still have two sets of decks, when one fails (whatever year that is) I have another set siting right there in their own flight cases and everything. So when the time comes, if Im not dumb, blind and crazy, I will try to remember back to this thread to inspire myself to take a look at something else.

Well that is of course unless anyone can point out some table that has something on it that will make me say "oooh gotta have that! just gotta shell out another grand on those babes"

Didnt I say all this already? yes, I think I did. hmmmmmm?

So basically, the only advantage of owning Technics turntables are that they are installed in every club and that it will last more than 20 years. Most club owners buy Technics, why? Because they don't want to pay for repairs and/or new equipment.

Yes, Technics has TT's that play 78rpm stuff. No, it's not a 1200.

And let's be honest, how many people are spinning 40+ year old vinyl in a club?

I think it will be great to have more than +-8 pitch on the 12s when the pitch n time plug in is released, i might start to look at other decks when that happens, possibly vestax as ive had the stanton str8 100s and the sucked big time.
If pitch in time is really gunna be that good, +-8 pitch may feel a bit of a restriction, it depends how the plug in works.

uh, right.
Maybe theres some windex in your weed or something causing the text to rearrange themselves to look like it, But I never said I would hit you, or even want to see you. Maybe your fantasy, I dont know, not mine. Seek professional help now.

[thinking]this guy is loony[/thinking]



I enjoy making long posts. Of course its "subjective", I am talking about MY preferences. Just like I have already said; I never, and when I say never, I mean never go beyond -2/+6 on the pitch. How is it ignorant to tell you the range that I work in? Maybe Im stupid for thinking you would understand. I dont need more pitch, ME, not you! Can you detect the difference between ME and you? The difference between you and I?!?! There is a difference you know. And no, you are not one of my "alter egos" so dont even mention that.

This reminds me of the movie Sphere. Mater of fact, read the above in my Samuel L. Jackson voice.

[thinking]is there any way to make shit more bold on this thing?[/thinking]




"Great" said Akiem, as he rolled his eyes. He wondered about what to do next, briefly considering the race car past the head sound and motion yet again. "right over you head again, huh buddy?" No, it's been used enough. The dead pan pause, glassy eyes with the straight look and slight sigh? No, this guy wouldn't get it, probably even consider it an invitation of some sort. "Fellow human, did you fucking read anything that I have written? How many circles do we have to run in? Don't tell me that you believe hamsters ever get anyplace? Maybe you have a declawed one that ends up going somewhere?" he decided to say even though the effect would be minimal at best. Should he use his Samuel L. voice again, or the Ben Stiller one, maybe even the William Schatner? "Are you on fucking crack over there?" He finally said, and in his own voice.



Thats why I learned to use the Pioneer DJM, because they are most often what I have to play on when I cant use my TTM-56+. For the same reason I have never practiced with Stanton, Vastex, or American decks. Because the likelyhood that I would ever need to use them is very low to none.

Trat, just to make you feel better. I give you my solemn promise, [my word is my bond, and bond is life, I shall die before my word is broken] if your American DJ tables become anything near standard, even the cheap 1200 knock offs, I will go and buy four brand new ones. How about that, will that satisfy you?

Shirley Temple smile and I gold star for me! Finally, I knew some shit that MusicMeister didnt know.
www.turntabletech.com
And now I run to the kitchen to get my cookie.

Dude, I'm totally satisfied now [lights up big fat joint]. God, I feel like a big weight dropped from my shoulders. Although ...[takes hit from joint], there are still people living by the rule called "industry standard". My work isn't over yet. I will put on my red cape and go indoctrinate the weak so... [takes hit from joint again] they to will make up decisions of their own and not by the rules of others. Wish me luck man.

I just demand a Allen & Heath, or else I don't play / take the booking. That's also a way to play on your own gear. It's great.

Industry Standards

If you are going to be master of the bedroom and never plan on venturing out then you can whipe ass with "industry standards"

But me, I have played on over a hundred different systems. I have to pay attention to "industry standards"

Hahhaha.. ROTFL. This is one of the funniest posts on this board I have ever read :)

LMAO!!! Over 100 sound systems. What a nice round figure. Did you even read my post? I demand Allen & Heath mixers: I need all those aux/sends man. Xone 62 / 92, will do then. Also, I like to have a clean sound when playing and A&H's headroom is just beyond sick.

I'm way past the point of obeying to the standards of the locations I play. Instead, they hire the gear I have on my road list. Beats working on all those cheeseburger DJMs...
If you ever want to go beyond the level of the humble DJ who eats all the equipment he gets thrown at him at a gig, you need to become really good (and start taking your hobby seriously, which includes studying whats new and better at the market today). That way you can demand what you want to play with. I don't demand these OEM tables cause SL12's do fine for me, but for home I use them cause it's easy mixing then.


I didn't read this part (sorry) until über nik commented about it: could you please tell me what additives they used to grow the magic mushrooms you ate, before you wrote this? We certainly don't have that stuff here in The Netherlands. Just don't say that you weren't onto something while coming up with this stuff. Cause else, well I have a pretty good animation for you here then www.sickanimation.com

Well I could have said "I have played on over one hundred and sixteen different systems", is thats better for you? Actually thinking about it, it is probably more like over two hundred systems if I counted house parties and crap going back to when I first started. I've played everything from bedrooms and basements to outdoor festivals. All on Techs. Thank Yaweh for "industry standards", because it would suck big fat cock if there were as many types of turntables as there are types of venues.

just wondering - can we loose the friggen quotes?

I second that..........at least edit them down

But many SL12 decks feel very different cause many are actually broken. So much for the 20 years life span...

LMAO! Out of nothing, Pete posts something again!

Life span? You mean like a classic car, you can keep it running forever if you keep replacing parts (engines) and doing continual maintenance on it. Look, I got a early model 1200 - she's a bueat. It's a damn turntable, a mere tool for DJ'ing... Do any of you Technice reps have one encased in glass, placed in your DJ'ing museum, heavily guarded 24/7 ??

I'm really beginning to think it'd be funny to see any of you 1200 mongers to spin on anything but. I'll have a tissue handy - be sure to let me know where you are. You'll either be crying - or silently saying, "this deck isn't half bad". I'd prefer the tears as you wipe them on your black shirt that says "Technics for life".

can I use the same record player using still on FS2 for that on the Seralto?

What do you mean?

seraldo

You can use that OEM bullshit with FS .... But once you get SSL .. like someone said above, get 'REAL' turntables ... and I mean 1200s.

LMAO, be sure to buy Audio-Technica AT-PL50 they really rock. Just buy those OEM tables, they are better than ugly SL12s. LOL.

Clarice,

This thread makes me want to gouge out my eyeballs with a fork, and serve them with fava beans and a fine Chianti.

Your pal,

Hannibal

Dood why are you so fixated on Audio-Technica AT-PL50? Are you their salesman or something ?

Dood, aren't those that crap tables you have? Go play in front of wedding people man.

What give's you the impression that's what I have .... Ohhhh you read it in the profile.

You are such a smart man ... and gullible as well !!!! The laughs on you. LOL. Another newbie tricked.

Oh Trat.... Trat, Trat, Trat.
very closed minded of you

In the not so far off future... Whatcha gonna do when video and music go hand in hand and have become the new industry standard??

embalm your TT's?

I'm actually starting to think this thread is about worthless and I need to sell ALL my TTs to get those DVD decks.

before they loose their value -- any takers?

yup, two 1200MK5s about to be worthless. what do you want for them?

Since they have no value, I will just pay you for the shipping so you can get them out of the house as quickly as possible.

(I love sarcasm, both yours and mine)

watchin those videos got me a think'n - then remebered this thread about how in love w/ TT's we all are.... Hangin on to these dinosaurs and the video computers not up to par w/ the DVD players we're missing the bleeding or leading edge, persay ... Coming home from a club last night and was just wondering how long it'll be before they ALL start plastering up screens and projectors...

Sports bars are way ahead of the game... Lets start investing and take on over - save a grip in plasma charges?

And again, Pete comments from out from out of the nothing - without thinking about something by himself...

Using a 2 channel, mixer: who is the newbie then? Or, are you tricking us again?

Trat, I can't help but watch this forum; it's too interesting. Watching you try to personally moderate this forum makes me smile.

Dude, are you trying for some kind of "thread-trainwreck" award, or is this constant posting of repetitious/meaningless nonsense actually some form of performance art?

I just happened to find this particular posting rather funny, since I've been DJ-ing professionally for (I strongly suspect) longer than you've been alive...AND I just brought home a nice new TTM57SL which is technically a "2-channel mixer". Guess I'm back to being a "newbie" again, LOFL.

Haha.

Trat, trat. ...

I'm absolutely not interested in moderating any forum. Actually, I was just LMAO about the guy in the middle premierdjs.com

Nik39, aren't you offended buy Pete, calling me a moderator. You must have nightmares about that.

Not at all. You should read the sticky posts where I said I have no interest in being a mod.

But yeah you might be right. Seeing you having a moderator tag under your name would be a nightmare. I would truly question the ability for the serato team to judge, with all the repetitious nonsense you are posting. That would be scary. Thats of course my personal opinion.

But right now, I just see "trat" under your name.

Dangerous comments, cause you cannot back them up. I was just poking on you for using a 2 channel mixer. I need a 4 channel mixer cause I use 4 audio sources at once in the mix (all the time)...

And with professional you mean (like Pete) on wedding parties? Or do you play in front of people who pay money just to see you tear down a dance floor, and who don't use you as their jukebox (like Pete as well) and ask requests and so on - forgetting about you when they wake up next morning?

Oh, my aplogies, I just saw thats your name!!!

thanks

Haha, instant answers on comments all the time: you big time mod!

Haha, yes: my name is Trat!

Anyway, on topic again. Who uses golden Technics?

So that makes you a mod too, I guees. Oh dear.

The world has come to an end.

Haha LOL, not at all. I'm on line now (and hit F5 for the last time) - you are 22 hours a day! Seriously, I would be a bad mod, cause every time some one had a problem with Serato, I'd ask him what decks he had. Well, we all know what I would turn every thread into then... ;)

From the last 15 hours I spent the majority in the club spinning. That crushes your theory.

Majority? What do you mean with that? Do you mean that in the 15 hours (!) you played in the club there where also parts in that you weren't there? This really trashes your (unprovable) comment...

so this is where everyone's hangin out. quick someone fill me in

Yo this thread is getting old. Opinions are like assholes...everyone has one.

Or...Opinions are like assholes...everyone's stinks.

Read again. If you still have questions about this send me an email.

I like this thread, as it keeps the turntable arguments out of the rest of the forum.

1200s are the best bitch.
(bitch, as in genereral, not directed to anyone, not really)

what is the best car?

best place to have a fast food burger?

Backyard Burgers!

My 1200's can beat up your 1200's.

And my Rane mixer can beat your mixer :D
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