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Current version 1.7.8 sound quality degraded over previous versions

dj_foo 12:28 PM - 5 September, 2015
I've noticed since upgrading that the sound quality is worse than it was with previous versions.

I use a DDJ SX, have the gain on the controller seet to 12 o'clock which is halfway in the green on the meters on unit, the level gains I have at around 10 o'clock which occasionally pop into the first orange bar but never the red.

Previously, listening through my monitors - Alesis Elavate 6 - the sound was clear and didnt sound like it was distorted at all.

Now it sounds quite distorted and messy. Have also tried on some other powered speakers - Yamaha (not sure of model) - at my in-laws house and the sound was the same.

Has anyone else encountered this issue? I have a gig next Friday so I think I will roll back to 1.7.5 as this was the last version I had before I upgraded. Just curious to know if anyone else has experienced this.

BTW - Macbook Pro mid 2012 i5 16gb RAM latest OS
dj lashes 1:35 PM - 5 September, 2015
your not alone bro many people feel the same
Tommy Deem 2:17 PM - 5 September, 2015
Seems pioneer problem, I have 10+ friends who dosen't have anything like this.
dj lashes 2:40 PM - 5 September, 2015
my VCI300, VCI380 & NS6 are not pioneers
the SOUNDINSURGENT 9:16 AM - 6 September, 2015
Tonight I played a small system using a Pioneer DJM 850 with a set of 1200's and it was straight ass. Using SDJ 1.7.

I agree this the worst it's ever sounded. Gains set at are 10 o'clock and master was at about 1/2 o'clock.

Shit was appalling!
dj_foo 10:32 AM - 6 September, 2015
Just as a test I tried out Virtual DJ last night for an online set

The sound was markedly better, clearer and crisper through my monitors. I'm no audiophile, but I know what sounds better than something else!

Will try a few different versions of SDJ tonight and see when the change occurs as it must be something to do with how the software is processing the sound - I used the same DDJ SX and speaker set up as I always do for comparison
LJ_WOOLSEY 12:45 PM - 6 September, 2015
Care to make some recordings of same song file in sdj and then vdj and upload? Again still not a single bit if evidence in this thread to prove sdj sounds worse! You need to put some examples to serato.

Still say tho i can use a wave file and it will sound different in any cd players i play it in. It will sound different for every make mixer i use. What sounds better to one will sound worse to another.
dj lashes 1:01 PM - 6 September, 2015
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Care to make some recordings of same song file in sdj and then vdj and upload?

then recording in SDJ its very clear even if you get over crazy clicks and pops this is something to do with sdj and the master output "I THINK"
dj_foo 1:10 PM - 6 September, 2015
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Care to make some recordings of same song file in sdj and then vdj and upload?

then recording in SDJ its very clear even if you get over crazy clicks and pops this is something to do with sdj and the master output "I THINK"


Same here. There isn't any problem with the recordings I have done recently and neither is there a problem with the output from say Mixify which is where i broadcast. It is always clear and fine to all listeners. I have checked it myself and the audio is fine from there and listening back to recordings it sounds fine too.

It is only the sound coming from the actual controller which sounds off and it's only recently it has happened.
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:14 PM - 6 September, 2015
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Care to make some recordings of same song file in sdj and then vdj and upload?

then recording in SDJ its very clear even if you get over crazy clicks and pops this is something to do with sdj and the master output "I THINK"


Same here. There isn't any problem with the recordings I have done recently and neither is there a problem with the output from say Mixify which is where i broadcast. It is always clear and fine to all listeners. I have checked it myself and the audio is fine from there and listening back to recordings it sounds fine too.

It is only the sound coming from the actual controller which sounds off and it's only recently it has happened.


With proves it's not a serato dj issue then and just the hardware. As serato dj is recording the audio.

So like i said it's subjective.
dj lashes 3:24 PM - 6 September, 2015
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Care to make some recordings of same song file in sdj and then vdj and upload?

then recording in SDJ its very clear even if you get over crazy clicks and pops this is something to do with sdj and the master output "I THINK"


Same here. There isn't any problem with the recordings I have done recently and neither is there a problem with the output from say Mixify which is where i broadcast. It is always clear and fine to all listeners. I have checked it myself and the audio is fine from there and listening back to recordings it sounds fine too.

It is only the sound coming from the actual controller which sounds off and it's only recently it has happened.


With proves it's not a serato dj issue then and just the hardware. As serato dj is recording the audio.

So like i said it's subjective.



hell NOOOOOO bro i got a full team of djs with over 20 controllers using SDJ and about 8 are having the same problem me also... this is from the last few upgrades i dont think 8 controllers would suddenly get the flu
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:31 PM - 6 September, 2015
So how the hell can the recording be fine when that is recording sdj output before it hits the controllers soundcard??? Once it hits the soundcard its all the hardware thats made adjustments to the sound.

Ok so if its the ouput just put a lead from the output of the controller and into line in on laptop amd record with audacity. Then do same with vdj. Then upload.
dj lashes 3:44 PM - 6 September, 2015
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So how the hell can the recording be fine when that is recording sdj output before it hits the controllers soundcard??? Once it hits the soundcard its all the hardware thats made adjustments to the sound.

Ok so if its the ouput just put a lead from the output of the controller and into line in on laptop amd record with audacity. Then do same with vdj. Then upload.


what VDJ is doing i could not tell you i dont have it dont use it but i do think it has something to do with the way SDJ and the controller are communicating
dj_foo 3:45 PM - 6 September, 2015
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So how the hell can the recording be fine when that is recording sdj output before it hits the controllers soundcard??? Once it hits the soundcard its all the hardware thats made adjustments to the sound.

Ok so if its the ouput just put a lead from the output of the controller and into line in on laptop amd record with audacity. Then do same with vdj. Then upload.


That's a good idea I'll do that tomorrow when I have time
nik39 12:02 AM - 7 September, 2015
Limiter?
Serato, Support
Matt P 12:41 AM - 7 September, 2015
Hey guys,

I don't believe any changes have been made on Serato's end that would affect the sound quality in any of the versions recently, so there shouldn't be any sound difference.

If you guys are able to replicate a difference between SDJ versions, please forward to support.serato.com

MP
DJ Fluke 613 1:46 AM - 7 September, 2015
A lot of you with these sound difference claims are on crack. Either record and prove it or shut up and quit polluting the threads and wasting supports time.

I have been using sdj since 2013 and there are no sound differences, especially not in the past year. 100%.
Tommy Deem 2:14 AM - 7 September, 2015
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A lot of you with these sound difference claims are on crack. Either record and prove it or shut up and quit polluting the threads and wasting supports time.

I have been using sdj since 2013 and there are no sound differences, especially not in the past year. 100%.


+1
Kill the crap!
dj lashes 4:17 PM - 7 September, 2015
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A lot of you with these sound difference claims are on crack. Either record and prove it or shut up and quit polluting the threads and wasting supports time.

I have been using sdj since 2013 and there are no sound differences, especially not in the past year. 100%.



what a d1ck so we should only talk when sdj is working fine ...funny you talk about prove here is a issue i had right after sdj started making a popping noise and I ADDED PROVE but hummmmmm not one reply seems like when you prove your problem its YOU ALL THAT SHUT UP
dj lashes 4:18 PM - 7 September, 2015
serato.com
DJ Fluke 613 4:45 PM - 7 September, 2015
You fool, your talking about two different things. Man, no wonder so many people open so many useless threads. This thread is about the sound not being as good as other versions, the other is about popping and clicking noises which HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS.

If your going to tell me, A DJM 800 with an SL3 using SSL sounds better than a DJM800 using an SL3 on SDJ I am calling you out and everyone else that your full of shit (that goes for any hardware).

If your going to tell me your DDJ SX sound better in SDJ 1.7.5 then in 1.7.6, .7, .8 etc. Hell even 1.7.2, 1.7.3.1.7.4, then once again your full of shit :)

Record it and submit to support so they can fix it (if there is an issue) and show us, the other users or get a freakin life and go enjoy labor day.
DJ Fluke 613 4:47 PM - 7 September, 2015
I have an NS6 btw and since it was first supported in SDJ back in 2013, it has sounded the same through any version.

SDJ > Itch
SDJ > SSL.

Don't agree? Prove it.
dj_foo 4:57 PM - 7 September, 2015
There's no need to be aggressive about it. I will attempt to record the differences and post them here. I forgot this is a public forum to ask questions.

And since my ears are definitely working properly I noticed a difference and so I asked a question. If you cant contribute positively, why bother commenting at all.

As per Matt's quote

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Hey guys,

I don't believe any changes have been made on Serato's end that would affect the sound quality in any of the versions recently, so there shouldn't be any sound difference.

If you guys are able to replicate a difference between SDJ versions, please forward to support.serato.com

MP


As I previously said I will try tonight to record the difference if there is any between SDJ and VDJ using the same controller and also try a couple of different SDJ iterations and see if I can figure out the difference (if any)
Heltino 9:42 PM - 7 September, 2015
with the NS7II I can't confirm this.
New Numark driver imstalled and tested 1.7.5, 1.7.6, 1.7.7 and 1.7.8.
No sound difference and the quality is good.

I've tested this at home on a real high quality home hifi set (2000€ power amp, 3000€ stand speakers) over RCA connection....even blind testings with my friend was hopeless to differenciate between the versions.

what I've noticed is that the auto gain is a little strange since 1.7.8 and I have to gain my channels manual as it was never needed before.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 3:17 PM - 8 September, 2015
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I have to gain my channels manual as it was never needed before.

IF you que up your tracks before hand, this shouldn't be an issue.
Heltino 4:34 PM - 8 September, 2015
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I have to gain my channels manual as it was never needed before.

IF you que up your tracks before hand, this shouldn't be an issue.


it's not a total issue.....just like to point out that I see here a difference to the older versions.
even if tracks are processed with Platinum Notes, what gives pretty consistent gain leves, the auto gain of SDJ is acting sometimes strange.
for example a track that is anyway already a little louder than the other and even if this is clear possible to see within the wave form...SDJ sometimes raises the gain of such tracks.
at result the difference between the tracks is getting bigger instead of smaller.
no disaster...but strange.
PopRoXxX 6:10 PM - 8 September, 2015
I wonder how many of these guys with the "sound not as good" issue play in the red like its "normal"
dj_foo 6:16 PM - 8 September, 2015
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I wonder how many of these guys with the "sound not as good" issue play in the red like its "normal"


As I stated I never play in the red either on the master meter or the channels. I haven't had a chance to do the recording yet, hoping to do it next couple days but I have a gig coming up and I need to prepare for it
BleedR 6:18 PM - 8 September, 2015
Guys try putting your USB Buffer higher!
I've had similar experience with older SDJ versions. Where all seemed fine, but the sound was terrible - no USB dropouts or anything. Anyway putting the buffer higher improved the sound ALOT!
the SOUNDINSURGENT 6:48 PM - 8 September, 2015
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I wonder how many of these guys with the "sound not as good" issue play in the red like its "normal"


Not me, the problem I was having was when pitched up or down the sound sounded "warbled" or "underwater". Now the system wasn't the best and I believe I said that but it wasn't the same as before.
Tommy Deem 9:22 PM - 8 September, 2015
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I wonder how many of these guys with the "sound not as good" issue play in the red like its "normal"


As I stated I never play in the red either on the master meter or the channels. I haven't had a chance to do the recording yet, hoping to do it next couple days but I have a gig coming up and I need to prepare for it


Dude what??? Don't have 5min to record and prove ur statement, smells fishy...
dj_foo 5:37 AM - 9 September, 2015
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I wonder how many of these guys with the "sound not as good" issue play in the red like its "normal"


As I stated I never play in the red either on the master meter or the channels. I haven't had a chance to do the recording yet, hoping to do it next couple days but I have a gig coming up and I need to prepare for it


Dude what??? Don't have 5min to record and prove ur statement, smells fishy...


Some of us have a life, job, family and other commitments. I don't need to justify my life to you or anyone else.

When I get time I will do it.
dj_foo 9:31 AM - 10 September, 2015
I cant record to the line in of my mac as it doesn't have that funcitonality.

However I rolled back to 1.7.5 and played a track in the green on all levels and through my monitors. It sounded great.

I then re-installed 1.7.8 and again it sounded great. So I don't know what happened before!

All good and apologies for the post. Feel free to lock/delete whatever you do.