when you play the file in quicktime, lag?

yes, I was messing with some of the I and P settings and got it down from about -20 to -10. Its driving me crazy

Is there any reason or MAJOR difference between 720 x 480 or 640 x 480 ? I am just tryin to rule out every possiblity...sigh

if there is a lag in quicktime, use a different encoder or at least an encoder that lets you specify an audio offset time.

this encoder has that option, but I dont know what to set it to

First I suggest mediacoder....: )

Wow I feel bad for you... been there...

if you want to try mediacoder copy the script below to note pad and save as whatever.xml drag it over the program and let go and it will load all settings.

<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<MediaCoderPrefs><node key="overall"><node key="generic"/><node key="ui"><node key="optionTab"><value>1</value></node><node key="param"><value>680,633,400,206</value></node><node key="noWelcome"><value>4106</value></node></node><node key="task"><node key="destdir"><value>C:\Documents and Settings\Owner\Desktop\</value></node></node><node key="output"/><node key="tagging"/><node key="subtitle"/><node key="decoding"/><node key="audio"><node key="channels"><value>Stereo</value></node><node key="source"><value>FFmpeg</value></node><node key="encoder"><value>FAAC</value></node></node><node key="video"><node key="mode"><value>Two-Pass</value></node><node key="bitrate"><value>3000</value></node><node key="quality"><value>100</value></node><node key="source"><value>FFmpeg</value></node><node key="encoder"><value>x264</value></node></node><node key="container"/><node key="mplayer"/><node key="preview"/><node key="plugin"/><node key="presets"/><node key="httpd"/><node key="server"/></node><node key="audiosrc"><node key="mplayer"/><node key="winamp"/><node key="lame"/><node key="wavefile"/></node><node key="audioenc"><node key="lame"/><node key="vorbis"/><node key="faac"><node key="mode"><value>Bitrate</value></node><node key="bitrate"><value>160</value></node></node><node key="aacplus"/><node key="nero"/><node key="helix"/><node key="helixmp3"/><node key="fraunhofer"/><node key="speex"/><node key="musepack"/><node key="ffmpeg"/><node key="aac3gpp"/><node key="amr"/><node key="wavpack"/><node key="flac"/><node key="ape"/><node key="tta"/><node key="als"/><node key="ofr"/><node key="pcm"/><node key="cli"/></node><node key="videosrc"><node key="mplayer"/><node key="avisynth"/></node><node key="videoenc"><node key="xvid"/><node key="x264"><node key="profile"><value>Baseline</value></node><node key="level"><value>10</value></node><node key="keyint"><value>12</value></node><node key="keyint_min"><value>12</value></node></node><node key="mencoder"><node key="options"><value>-deinterlace</value></node></node><node key="ffmpeg"><node key="keyint"><value>12</value></node><node key="options"><value>-deinterlace</value></node></node><node key="theora"/><node key="dirac"/><node key="amv"/><node key="vfw"/><node key="dumper"/><node key="wm"/><node key="remote"/></node><node key="container"><node key="mp4box"/><node key="matroska"/><node key="mencoder"/><node key="mp4creator"/><node key="atom"/><node key="pmp"/><node key="vcd"/></node><node key="audiofilter"><node key="resample"><node key="samplerate"><value>48000</value></node></node><node key="equalizer"/><node key="channels"/><node key="volume"><node key="clipping"><value>true</value></node></node><node key="surround"/><node key="compressor"/><node key="delay"/><node key="extraStereo"/><node key="extra"/><node key="shibatch"/></node><node key="videofilter"><node key="scale"><node key="enabled"><value>true</value></node><node key="width"><value>640</value></node><node key="height"><value>480</value></node></node><node key="crop"/><node key="expand"/><node key="frame"><node key="fps"><value>30000</value></node><node key="fpsScale"><value>1001</value></node></node><node key="eq"/><node key="postproc"><node key="deint"><value>YADIF mode 0</value></node></node><node key="rotate"/><node key="itf"/><node key="denoise"/><node key="unsharp"/><node key="delogo"/><node key="screenshot"/><node key="thumb"/><node key="overlay"/><node key="extra"/></node></MediaCoderPrefs>

Here is the problem with mediacoder:

Because my 1000+ extended video edits/mashups/etc start at 0:0:00.00, Mediacoder creates an audio artifact for the first beat or "sound" of each video edit. Ive explained it in other posts. This is the link to the video: www.mediafire.com that shows what it does.

I am going to load this profile and see if it changes anything, but im pretty exhausted with all of these encoding issues im having:(

I just saw your profile did you have a pc try an hacked driver for your video card,,,after that try it taking vsync off in scratchlive it worked for me....

I am runnin a Rampage Formula 64 bit Vista machine quad core 2.6 with 8gb ram. I am runnin a 512 Asus vid card. I am testing the vids on quicktime. I have no clue about trying a hacked driver for my vid card...

I just loaded that script in mediacoder, but im still having the lag...

Im going to try mediacoder with a +20ms time delay/nondelay..

I think Im on to something...Has anyone tried using bitrates at or around 5000kbps? I will be runnin vids on a new mbp 2.93 core2duo with 4gb ram (8gb in about 2 weeks) with the 2 x 512 9600 and 9600gt vid chip?

Millz, i think you're pretty much the only person having this problem. Are you married to mediacoder for some reason. Here's how I approach it. If my tools don't do what I need them to do, I either figure out how to make them work right or use a new tool. No exceptions.

Ive tried 10 different encoders, the problem was in my original output settings in vegas for my mpeg2's. Ive corrected the problem in my new mixes, Im just having issues with the old mixes Ive done. And I honestly dont wanna redo 1000 vid mixes :|

I had a lot of luck with TMPGEnc, but I couldnt get the timing right. Handbrake's quality looks like crap, unless I have the quality settings wrong. Super never worked right, and the others vid quality was piss poor

The quality on my old mpeg2s are perfect, but they are encoded at or around 9000 to 10,000kbps. They played on VDJ no problems (besides vdj being a crap program).

Say is this only with your converted videos have you tried someone elses video. If need be I can give you a sample vid. Swift is right u seem to be the only one with this issue. I can't talk much about 64 bit as I am running 32 but I am not having any issues....on my pc. I some times get lag coming out of my s-vid other than that no lag at all. Does quicktime have a 64bit installer...?

It is just with my Vegas produced mpeg2's.

Container: MPEG-PS
Bitrate: 6307Kbps
Size: 206 MB
Overhead: 0.4%

Video: MPEG-PES
Bitrate: 5631 Kbps
Resolution: 720 x 480
Frame Rate: 29.97 FPS

Audio: MPEG Audio
Bitrate: 224Kbps (CBR)
Sample Rate: 48000 Hz
Channel: 2

That is a sample of the file Ive been testing to encode from mpeg2 to mp4. Im trying handbrake but I am gettin the lag again.

I have no issues with any other files from any other sources, just files that were produced via vegas. A few of my buddies have made mpeg2 vid mixes from vegas as well and Im having the same issues.

When I make edits in Vegas, the last thing I do before rendering is move the audio portion about 5-6 frames, otherwise they are not in sync. They are in sync in the preview window, but not once I render them - I am rendering to mp4 Mainconcept

Any one else have this problem in Vegas, orjust me & Millz???

Are you using the Serato settings for Vegas? Im not having issues rendering out mp4s from vegas, unless Im tryin to reincode theses damn mpeg2 files Ive already remixed

serato settings?

3000 kbps
29.92
640x480

29.97 fps

someone gave me a profile, that gets a lil more specific than just those settings...like 2 pass and a few other things, let me take a jpg of it and upload it..

yeah that was a weak post... lol...sorry

Render Settings:
Field Order - None
reference frames - 10
2-pass - checked
average bit rate - 3000 kbps

Properties
Pixel format - 8-bit
full resolution rendering - best
motion blur type - Gaussian
Deinterlace - Blend fields

I am gettin tired tonight, I got a long ass day 2 morrow, and my brain is mush from WMC...Ill continue this 2 morrow evening...

^ +1

try playing the files in vlc media player instead of quicktime and see if the lag is still there

I was just about to shut this off...absolutly NO LAG. Now what?

No lag in VLC sounds like your having a quicktime issue. At a minium I would uninstall quicktime and reinstall it to see if that makes a diffrence. If no lag while playing in VLC it then your conversion are fine you have other issues.

Problem will be sloved with mac...yet you have a beast of a pc laptop it should run it with no problems. Good luck...

Thanks Twizz...All this time I have been spending thinking my encoding is incorrect...and its been fine. LoL

@ Dj Disgrace....... you get good video's with the Pixel format at 8bit? i always render in Vegas @ 32bit but have not tried with 8bit.

@ Millz.... i also have a lot of extendz etc that start at 0.00 and i use mediacoder with a similar profile as was posted above.... I honestly don't know why that is happening when you encode.

im using the 64 bit mediacoder. maybe this has something to do with it. Im gettin really nice lookin vids from tmpgenc 4.0 but the batch encoding is a bit of a pain in the ass with it.

They seem to be OK @ 8-bit. I haven't had the chance to do a lot of side by side comparisons with all the different settings. Do the 32-bit vids play ok? I assume they would be crisper? I have noticed my Promo Only chyrons are a little fuzzy.

I'm definitely open to suggestions!

I will try with the 8bit setting and do a side by side comparison and let you know.

I'm told 32-bit is for "deep color"

forums.creativecow.net

I guess the advantage would be smoother gradients and such

I have no issues with 8bit, the 32 bit is a float, so its not always 32 bit.

the bit depth makes a huge difference in quality. just wait until you encode everything in 8bit and then you figure that out. frustration will take over.

im the king of fustration lol

i know some dudes who are converting their DVD VOB files to DV, and then editing the DV files in final cut, and then exporting the project to an mp4 file. it would be bad enough if this was their own personal collection, but they are SELLING them online (and lots of dudes are buying them).

The DV codec CRUSHES the color and contrast so bad, its a joke. the blacks get pulled up into greys and the whole thing ends up looking washed out. its bad.

ehh thats not good...

i got TMPGEnc working good, prob is gotta do 1 @ a time...I dont mind thou, cause the quality is PIMP

it does batch

yea but i cant seem to get it to separate the files...after all ive been thru these past few months, im going to do em 1 @ a time, unless someone wants to explain how to batch them correctly.

so, aside from that glitch in mediacoder you run into...
would you say that TMPGEnc delivers a better convert than Mediacoder?

(I too am always looking for the best convert)

also, does TMP have "the cropper" like media coder?
thats one of the most useful tools on there.

I have no problem spending some cake on a program... but everytime I think
I found the be-all-end-all of software I find a post like this

yea it has a bunch of useful tools. Mediacoder was easy, and I wouldve used it, but 6 out of every 10 dj remix video edits would have that sound artifact in the first beat of the track. I just gotta get Phat AL to teach my punk ass how to batch properly ;)

And,

The overall quality LOOKS better with TMPGEnc. The colors are richer. The blacks are blacker (not greyish like in mediacoder). Ive tried 15 different encoders, and now that I got the bugs worked out of TMPGEnc, I am finally satisfied with this encoder.

Hats off to Mizu, Batch encoding these files :)

mizu ?

Millz - doesn't TMPGEnc use the same Mainconcept encoder that is found in Sony Vegas? I was going to give it a shot, but then I saw that it is using the Mainconcept codec. I am using Vegas 7.0 -- does 8.0 have a better encoder?

I haven't been too happy with the .mp4 quality out of Vegas 7.0, so I have been rendering my edits as uncompressed avi files. I have been pleased with Mediacoder (and coverting PO vobs) so far, but it must have an input size limit because it won't render my uncompressed avi's to mp4.

If there are others unhappy with the Vegas mp4 quality, can anyone share what they are using to render uncompressed avi to mp4?

there are some settings in vegas that you have to set in "properties" like deinterlacing etcetc. Vegas 8 seems to be better than 7. I use mediacoder for all my single edits. (promo only, rock america, etc) I am using TMPGEnc for all my dj edits that start at 0:0:00.00 because of the sound artifacts that mediacoder did on the first down beat of mixes that started exactly at zero. I honestly can not tell the difference between mpeg2 and mp4 using TMPGEnc (for dj mixes only).

if you notice in my fcp sessions video, i always put a 1 second silent black slug at the beginning of all my edits. however, none of my encoder munge the first beat but the practice is probably a good one always.

yes, and i definitly do that now. it only takes a second to do it on the fly, but when my whole collection that ive done starts @ 0:00:00.00 makes it a pain to change. Thanks aswift :)