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FS2 User considering Rane TTM57SL

romerom 9:06 PM - 24 April, 2006
Whats up everybody..

I've had finalscratch since 1.0 and on up to Traktor 3. I had issues initially with latency on FS1 but FS2 cleared all that up as you all know.

I recently started looking at a way to make my studio run a bit smoother in terms of ergonomics, so I start looking at studio furniture and I found this sweet dj desk from dualsf.com. It's made of wood and would be a permament type setup once I got it, it couldn't change without looking really awkward. My current setup consists of:
2x Technics SL-1200M3D's
1 Vestax PMC 05 Pro III Mixer
1 IBM Thinkpad Laptop
1 Finalscratch 2 Scratchamp
1 Korg KP2 Kaoss Pad

Now I start looking at my current setup and realize that with my current mixer, both my line and phono inputs are taken up with finalscratch / turntables.. I have no room to add cd players if I wanted. I like the whole battle mixer setup so I started looking around for another high quality mixer that might still fit into the same battle mixer form factor.

So I found the Rane TTM57SL. It's ranes new (yet unreleased) mixer with scratch live built in. It fits into the same battle mixer form factor and It has 4 inputs seperate from the scratch live hookup. So with this guy, I could have two vinyl turntables, two cd turntables as well as scratch live running.

What do you guys think of this? Its supposed to come out at about $1400 though which is kind of steep, but what I like about it is the extra inputs while keeping with the same form-factor of a scratch mixer.

Thoughts? :)
romerom 9:08 PM - 24 April, 2006
oh I copied this from the message I posted on the traktor forum as well.. so sorry if I'm trying to re-define what a TTM57SL is :)
dj solomon 9:36 PM - 24 April, 2006
do you wanna use it with SSL or FS?
romerom 9:43 PM - 24 April, 2006
well at that point i'd be switching from fs to ssl..
dj solomon 12:02 AM - 25 April, 2006
Good Move... make the switch, i was on FS since it was first released as on linux platform. Beta tested for them, even helped them with some FS presentations at remix hotel. If you go to the FS webiste and watch their demo video on FS 2, thats ME in the video. I switched to SSL a year ago and cant be happier!
DJ_Mike_Coquilla 12:27 AM - 25 April, 2006
former FS2 user here too. switched to SSL and never looked back.
JayB1200 12:28 AM - 25 April, 2006
i switched fromm fs2 to ssl and im trying to sell my fs2 and i cant get rid of it
romerom 1:38 AM - 25 April, 2006
So it sounds like I read the product page correctly and that it does everything I stated.. i.e. additional inputs with scratch live at the same time while sticking to the same battle mixer form factor.

in terms of ssl vs fs.. i've heard alot of good and not really any bad at all fom the ssl side. I'm satisfied with the latency (not any really) of FS2 so hopefully I won't see any of that if I go to the TTM57SL. I was a bit concerned about it staying usb 1.1, however apparently they're doing alot of the audio processing on the DSP chip within the mixer and that not all of the data actually has to make its way from/to the computer and back.
romerom 1:47 AM - 25 April, 2006
it looks like the only thing it doesn't have is an external effects loop i could hook my kaoss pad up to?
Dj Ace 4:17 AM - 25 April, 2006
Check...www.rane.com
tehfoiler 4:18 AM - 25 April, 2006
wow. That DualSF place has some sick looking furniture, I'll definatly have to hit them up once school is done and I'm not moving every 9 months.
Dj Ace 4:18 AM - 25 April, 2006
and this one...www.rane.com
mister iLL 1:09 PM - 25 April, 2006
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wow. That DualSF place has some sick looking furniture, I'll definatly have to hit them up once school is done and I'm not moving every 9 months.


hey tehfoiler, what is this in reference to?
nobspangle 5:21 PM - 25 April, 2006
romerom,
The TTM57 will do everything you need, also it does have an FX loop, on Rane mixers this is called the FlexFX.
Don't worry about the USB1.1 there is plenty of bandwidth available and none of the hardware issues that can occur with firewire.
On top of this the TTM57 can be used with tracktor over ASIO. It also has on board effects so expect your Kaoss to become redundant.
tehfoiler 10:17 PM - 25 April, 2006
The original poster meantioned the studio furniture in his first post, I had never seen the site before so thats why I commented on it. It was a bit off topic... but oh well.
mexicannnnnn 10:29 PM - 25 April, 2006
romerom, you'll probably remember me from the NI forums (as traktor ones too). If you get the mixer I'm sure you will not regred it.
romerom 4:53 PM - 29 April, 2006
I just checked out the manual and feel like an idiot for not seeing the flex-fx inputs/outputs on the back of the mixer :) I guess the only thing I'm wondering now is how to control send/return levels? regardless tho it looks like I am DEFINATELY getting this mixer :) @!#@!#@!# I CANT WAIT!@#@!#@!
romerom 4:55 PM - 29 April, 2006
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wow. That DualSF place has some sick looking furniture, I'll definatly have to hit them up once school is done and I'm not moving every 9 months.


ya man I just ordered my desk - I picked the dual pro console that comes with the two cd player stands.. also added a laptop stand, two monitor stands.. modified the bottom portion to have one of the record sports set aside for rack mounting equipment.. also they threw in a shelf for my finalscratch scratchamp right beneath the mixer tho I might not end up needing it for too long :) turn around time is 4-6 weeks, but if you order yours, mine might take longer so hold off for me, eh? :)
romerom 5:51 PM - 29 April, 2006
forgot to ask them for a kaoss pad shelf - just emailed em hopefully theres still room!
romerom 2:08 AM - 30 April, 2006
anybody know the dimensions of the ttm57sl?
romerom 6:11 AM - 30 April, 2006
I just pre-ordered it from pssl.com!! MUUAHHAHAHA I CANT WAIT MAN!! :) my wife is going to kill me!! LOL!@#!@#@!#!@
mexicannnnnn 6:16 AM - 30 April, 2006
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I just pre-ordered it from pssl.com!! MUUAHHAHAHA I CANT WAIT MAN!! :) my wife is going to kill me!! LOL!@#!@#@!#!@


HAHA, I think there is a club here for you kind of guys. Mike whats it called?
romerom 6:36 AM - 30 April, 2006
I heart clubs!!! I am DRUNK!!!!! muuuahahahaah RANE RANE RANE wEEEEHEE!!
mexicannnnnn 7:05 AM - 30 April, 2006
I told you this side (the SSL side) was a better place ;-)

Welcome to the good side. Say good bye to NI crappy support and hello to the new SSL family.
DJ_Mike_Coquilla 7:41 AM - 30 April, 2006
*taking two clothes pins to attach picnic table cloth to my back*

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
romerom 4:17 PM - 1 May, 2006
I just called Ellen Allhands from Rane to ask about the dimensions of the TTM57SL. I got her # from the contact list, she's the director of customer service. She stated that the dimensions of the TTM57SL are identical to the Empath except that the Empath has knobs on the front of the mixer and the TTM57SL only has jacks so it makes the TTM57SL .5" smaller. Looks like 13.5"H x 10"W x 4"D.
bermudezjm 5:55 PM - 1 May, 2006
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I just pre-ordered it from pssl.com!! MUUAHHAHAHA I CANT WAIT MAN!! :) my wife is going to kill me!! LOL!@#!@#@!#!@


i just never told her.....but i think she will notice it when i recieve it ups in a few weeks....lol
romerom 6:03 PM - 1 May, 2006
i haven't told her either.. but i figure i could sell some of my existing finalscratch related items..

Rane Mixer - $1495
- Finalscratch 2.0 - $485
- Vestax PMC 05 Pro III - $290
- Traktor DJ Studio 3 - $120
- Traktor DJ Studio 2.6 - $120
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$480

Just estimated item values based on what I just saw on ebay.. but if I end up pulling anything close to that, the TTM57SL will have cost me roughly $500 :) That I _CAN_ justify...
romerom 6:05 PM - 1 May, 2006
btw I just found another place on the rane.com that shows it as 14x10 - rane.com
DJ_Mike_Coquilla 10:53 PM - 1 May, 2006
yeah romer, dump that FS stuff soon.
earwolf 12:25 AM - 2 May, 2006
ill give you fiddy cents for the fs2 doorstop so i can do an office space on it
romerom 5:10 AM - 2 May, 2006
man you guys are seriously some FS haters!! lol!! did you guys have probs with FS2 or is this all FS1 haterism?
mexicannnnnn 5:36 AM - 2 May, 2006
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man you guys are seriously some FS haters!! lol!! did you guys have probs with FS2 or is this all FS1 haterism?


A bit of both from me and Mike ;-)
DJ_Mike_Coquilla 11:07 PM - 2 May, 2006
FS2 to be exact.... i lost $$ in addition to random embarrasing audio drop outs. now with SSL, i have no probs (same lappy, same ext. hds, same files)
s42000 3:53 AM - 3 May, 2006
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man you guys are seriously some FS haters!! lol!! did you guys have probs with FS2 or is this all FS1 haterism?


Those bastards bent us over and f&*#ed us over and over in the ass. We have every right to hate them. The least they could do was give us a refund for shit that did not work and apologise for the inconvenience. They still have a chance to do that, but they choose not too.

Should they do that, they will never hear from me again. They deserve every kick and slap they get.
romerom 4:27 AM - 3 May, 2006
I can't really defend them at all when it comes to finalscratch 1.. I've haeard of stability issues with finalscratch 2 I just haven't experienced them myself.. outside of one horror story that I think I could have prevented...

though there was one time where I was in a jam and had to reinstall the driver for the scratchamp on 2.0 only to find that it did not come with the traktor FS software and was a seperate piece of software.. not only that, but at the time, it wasn't publicly available on stanton/ni's web site. The only place you could get the driver was from the software cd that came with the package or by calling support and having them email it to you. I guess I should have tested my stuff the day prior to the gig but it had worked for me before.. I ended up having to go between iTunes MP3's on one side of my mixer and iPod MP3's on the other side of my mixer after I ran out of the backup records I brought with me. embarassing! I complained to their support and I didn't get a good response initially, n.i was pointing at stanton, stanton was pointing at n.i... anywys, the driver package is available on stanton's fs website now but that didn't help me then.
grrillatactics 6:34 PM - 30 May, 2006
Former FS1.1 & 1.5 user. Never going back...

Can't wait to get a 57!
Paul Van Dyk 5:05 AM - 31 May, 2006
hahahahaha lots of FS2 memories
DJ_Mike_Coquilla 5:34 AM - 31 May, 2006
amen
DJ Czar 9:09 AM - 31 May, 2006
Using FS2 right now with Traktor 2.6 and starting to really really hate it. Tons of embarassing audio dropouts and skips when scratching. I've gotten to the point, where I started mixing completely in software, because of FS2 lockups when using vinyl control, and that kinda defeats the purpose of the setup and really takes away from my performance. So, was going to get the regular Serato, but now that this is out, definately getting the 57L, I have made up my mind. Another soon to be former FS2 user and (hopefully) happy Serato one.
s42000 2:49 PM - 31 May, 2006
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Another soon to be former FS2 user and (hopefully) happy Serato one.


No need for hoping SSL works .... this thing WORKS ...as Chris Tucker said it ..You know This Maaaaan !!
DJ_Mike_Coquilla 3:19 PM - 31 May, 2006
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yeah romer, dump that FS stuff soon.


yeah DJ Czar, dump that FS stuff $oon.
sinjintek 10:14 PM - 20 June, 2006
current FS 1.5 user...hate it. been looking at upgrading my Tascam XS-8 and Vestax PMC-07 with either a TTM 56 or DJM909 when i heard about the new TTM 57SL. Ordered it this past weekend :) can't wait for some new FX downloads!
lofi 11:51 PM - 20 June, 2006
i've actually been using fs2 the last few years without a problem, altho its been with traktor and not just fs2. traktor has been the saving grace with me for the scratchamp2 and thats why i haven't switched.for some reason or another the finalscratch2 engine without traktor is a b**ch. having now played with the ttm57 i can safely say i'd like to switch but i'm missing one "key" item, the ability to lock the master key. everything else seems to be implemented that i need and the fact i don't have to break out that scratchamp everytime i play would be a blessing.at first the buttons and the new interface on the mixer was a bit overwhelming and i think it can still be better,i got used to it in no time.
if you got the cash and are just using fs2, then you should definately make the move.
nik39 11:55 PM - 20 June, 2006
I think we all cant wait for Pitch'n'Time ("master-key") plugin. Desperately waiting for more than 2 years.
DJ_Mike_Coquilla 12:06 AM - 21 June, 2006
can't seem to digest why master key lock is such a deal breaker?
djxatl 5:03 AM - 21 June, 2006
i think it depends on genre
DJLorrence 8:28 AM - 21 June, 2006
master-key could make really cool hip hop mixes
s42000 3:31 PM - 21 June, 2006
^^ Agreed ... I was never one to mess with key/tempo but once I saw what my boy was doing with ProTools/PNT, I was sold. A whole new world opened up.
Idlemind1999 8:22 PM - 21 June, 2006
i guess some one would need to post a clip for me to hear t get me sold.
romerom 3:49 AM - 22 June, 2006
ttm57sl with scratch live is awesome compared to fs2. There really is like zero latency and the interface is sweet.. if only they made it to where you could tap tempo with the button or the footswitch and have it write the tempo the tracks bpm field.. that would be the shizzle.
DJ_Mike_Coquilla 3:17 PM - 22 June, 2006
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ttm57sl with scratch live is awesome compared to fs2. There really is like zero latency and the interface is sweet.. if only they made it to where you could tap tempo with the button or the footswitch and have it write the tempo the tracks bpm field.. that would be the shizzle.


yo romerom, if u haven't yet done so, cut and paste your suggestion here --> www.scratchlive.net i'm sure tha ssl team is capable (unless they've already developed auto beat detection into tha next release)
romerom 4:51 AM - 23 June, 2006
done deal - www.scratchlive.net
soon-2-be-ex-FS2user 10:53 PM - 9 August, 2006
romerome... how can u did u do the sell of your FS2, i need help
Petey Pete 9:32 AM - 12 August, 2006
Former FS 1.0-TFS 2.6 user. Now a current TTM-57SL user. Rane Riders Forever!
romerom 7:05 AM - 14 August, 2006
soon-2-be-ex-fs2user: i just put it up on ebay as a no reserve auction.. it was bound to go for something! :)
soon-2-be-ex-FS2user 12:11 AM - 12 December, 2007
is do a sailing okeys for you