A Mac

just the answer i was expecting from such a biased place.

does anybody have a real answer?

personally I have had NO luck using VSL on a PC... spent countless hours trying to tweak, etc... no go.

I ended up buying a MacBook Pro and it has worked great on it.

Believe me ... I am PC guy from the start and that is my ONLY mac... and that is ALL I use it for.

Why ask if you don' want the truth? There are dozens of posts of PC owners stating that things just don't run right on the PC side. I have a real answer and it is the same as DJ Pimp said, for VSL a Mac is your best option if you want things to run smoothly. If you were running Serato Audio only then a PC with XP would be fine.

it's very simple, actually. i asked for pc help, not for an apple commercial.

i do not knock apple for their stuff at all. i am VERY aware that the apple comps will run VSL much better. i was simply asking a PC related question. why should i be alright with getting a mac related answer?

How is it an apple commercial? If you are looking for the best solution for running VSL the the answer is a Mac. This would be if you want to have a smooth show and care about impressing your clients.

If you want to deal with a lot of headaches and hopes that your computer will work then I think Vista is doing a little better out of the two.

Simply my friend you don't want to hear the truth.
Only answer you can get is get a Mac, because both of your solutions probably ain't going to work.
I am pretty new in Mac game. I bought it this summer first time in my life, and I can tell you I will probably never go back to PC. I will use both for some things, but Mac beats PC like a savage.
The main reason to switch to Mac was my frustration with Vista, VSL not running and Virtual DJ was not running too on a PC. So I decided to listen what everybody says and got a Mac and could never been happier.
So once again, I don't think that anybody has an answer that you're looking for.
It's not a PC Vs. Mac thing, it's what works and what doesn't. Simply as that.
And if you ain't trying to hear it, well that's your problem.
We just wanted to help.

i didn't ask anybody what the best solution was for VSL - i asked if 4 gigs of ram on vista will outperform 3 gigs on winXP using VSL - THATS ALL.

truth be told I HAVE A MBP already. calm yourselves. am i certified cool now? i just want to know what will perform better ON A DAMN PC.

dont talk to me about the truth. i own both products and i want both systems to operate as best as possible. I ALREADY KNOW THE MAC WILL OUTPERFORM IT, so quit telling me.

and if NOBODY here has the answer for me, then it sounds like the PC guys on this forum are pretty uneducated and lack any kind of experience in trying to figure things out for themselves - which i highly doubt. i've seen many posts about guys getting their stuff to work just fine on their pc - and i am looking for answers from THEM, not from the bandwagon freaks that just want to tell me not to even try.

so much for a support group.

and i apologize to whoever i quoted as i didn't mean to. i quoted the wrong post.

I have been on PCs for as long as I can remember. All the comps I use for production and editing are PCs. I was on a PC with Serato up until a year ago. My desktop PC is a custom built audio PC with windows XP with 3 gigs of ram and all the tweaks you can possible do to it. The comp is way over the requirements and I can't get it to work as well as my minimum spec MBP. That is my response.

If you have found people on the forums that have gotten it to work then why not contact them directly. You asked a question and people responded nicely. No need to sound like an asshole by putting down PC users because you think they don't know there shit.

thank you.

now out of curiousity, what video card were you using in your PC setup?

and nobody put down pc users... read it again, i said i highly doubt they lack experience.

I have tried it with the nVidia 9500GT video card and an XFX 9600GT 512MB video card.

I run VSL on Vista 32 bit...runs well, I have no problems and I saved a ton of money...3gbs ram, nvidia card. No problems

which nvidia card and processor speed eye? i'm curious now.

i definitely would rather use the mbp over vista but i wonder if the new nvidia chipsets only run on vista or not...

must be mike...............hows the 57

GEFORCE 8600M GT INTEL CORE2DUO 2ghz I probably will get a MBP because I want to be experienced with everything that can push VSL.

who's clore?

the 57 is ok. not my favorite mixer in the world. the channel fader curves are awful for me, i can't get a feel for them.

8600m runs well on vista? wow big surprise to me, but then again i'm still not sure i'd trust vista over OSX - and thats coming from a PC guy!

smithtown huh? gotta be charlie..... :)

lol, nice attitude.

Making VSL run on a PC is not easy. It's pretty much gambling.

However... 3 or 4GB - does not make a difference for either VSL or SSL. Question answered.

nice attitude? really? what about this part?



ok so my choice of words before were a little brash, but i'm not knocking anybody. let it go.

thank you for the help.

nice attitude? really? what about this part?



ok so my choice of words before were a little brash, but i'm not knocking anybody. let it go.

thank you for the help.

TelosHedge, I don't think this was made clear with all these wonder mac people on here. XP is better then Vista for Serato in general and also for VSL. for me running a Dell Inspirion I can't get VSL to run on Vista (32bit) but on XP it is now running fine (after a few crashes here and there) with the USB latency really low (2nd mark to the left)

loop, what kind of crashes are you talking about? i don't want to be worried about stability.

so far on my core 2 xp system i have vsl running stable but not exactly 'smooth'. im sure you know what i mean. i absolutely expect poor video performance as my old laptop was using an intel graphics chip but if you are having stability problems that may steer me away completely.

VSL won't work with intel graphic chips..I think Nvidia would be the best option, I run it on an ATI card.
my crashes was kinda mysterious, and only happend when I played mp3's and dragged videos on the video plugin but went away when I installed beta 1.83. when vsl crashed the music/serato was still running so it wasn't any major disasters.

either way, try the demo on your computer before u buy it. it only adds a water mark, if it works as a demo it works full version too. and I am sure the video plugin is just started, it will be better with time.

Hey Loopman what are the specifics on your Dell Inspiron. I too cannot get VSL to run on with Vista even though my Insprion is way overspeced for VSL.........Dell Inspiron 1521 TL-66 2.3GHZ 4 GB RAM ATI Intergrated Graphics Card

QT runs a lot better on Macs. Search for Perian. There is no equiv. on Windows. Sorry to say.

funny you should mention that. it does 'run' on an intel chip, just not well. i am not overly conscious about following hardware anymore, but there havent been leaps and bounds i must say lately. the last laptop i bought was 2 years ago. its got the same processor and memory that my brand new mbp has. interesting.

the major difference is in the graphics hardware, which is very obvious. while shopping for new pc's i noticed computers with graphics and mainboard hardware thats equal or better to the mbp's at a lower price - however i really don't want to work with vista at all if i can avoid it. i am also sure that leopard will run more efficiently than vista ever will, hence all of my XP/3GB questions.

to top it all off, mixemergency is mac only - yuck! it seems serato has given us little option - buy a mac or deal with a shitty OS. still doesn't mean i'm going to stop trying though :)

TopDonn: I can't run my dell on vista with VSL, get a white output screen. I am running it on XP now at around 60-80% cpu and Serato uses 10-15%. ati 256 mb ram card, 2gb ram and core 2 duo T7500

I also helped 2 friends with VSL setups, they were a HP 64bit Vista with Nvidia card and the other was an Acer with Vista 32bit. also on a Nvidia card, both 512 mb. the Acer I had to reinstall the revised install files from Serato that came out a few weeks ago, other then that they have not had problems on their setups so PC is def possible to get working with out too much hassle in my mind. I just did re-install the OS without all the extra crap that comes with it from the different vendors and then got Serato and VSL running. The Acer didn't like to have the LAN driver installed, that made VSL stutter so I uninstalled it again and it was all good. no problem surfing the net while playing via wireless.

Last I heard u couldn't run on an integrated intel chip but I guess that is pc for you, anything can actually work - not just for everyone :D

then get a mac genius

or since you "have one" then why the hell are you willing to gamble and risk crashing on pc??? for a intelligent guy, your answer is pretty obvious. use the mbp that you supposedly have.

nobody said i was planning on using my pc laptops to primarily run video sl in the field. i very simply asked a pc related question. i dont see why everyone feels the need to tell me to 'get a mac genius.'

now i'm getting attacked again, being questioned about if i even own a MBP or not. seriously, give me a break. if you don't have an answer to my question, then leave it be. if you want to bash on the kinds of computers other people are using, it might be time to grow up.

LOL,,,,Don't let them get you down, ,,,,,Telos I use vista 32 bit and it does not recognize more than 3gig although I have 4gig. Can't speak about Vista 64 as when I had it on my laptop VSL was not supporting it. Does and will it work I am sure if you have the right laptop it will. I have an HP and I use it more than I use my MacBook Pro that has same specs as my HP laptop. So my Mac Book is my backup and I use my HP as Primary. Here’s some proof I did this mix months ago with my Bluetooth and wireless internet on while recording the mix on my laptop with the 57 at the same time just for GP. www.i-20riders2.com am an urban guy but wanted to show I my range of music . So yes it will work and in my case really well. I think that the picture is brighter on my Mac even though they have the same graphics card go figure.

BTW most that have Mac's now had PC's that didn't work so that's them trying to save you some time is all. It was not easy at first for PC's and still not as good as it could be but it's getting better. If you have any issues with your pc and how you need to convert your videos hit me up... I have been there and done that. LOL Phat-AL I feel your pain,,,, Remember I took back 4 laptops and had to pay restocking fees before I go my HP. And I still ended up buying a Mac only to find out that there is not much differences as far as I can see, I admit that it does run a little smoother on Mac but I still use the PC

Funkytown,

I tried to look at the video at the link you posted, but it's not working. I'd just like to see how other PC Users' videos look, to see if I what I have so far is as best as I can get it, or if there's something I can do to improve it.

Last night I actually posted a question, in the help section, regarding the quality of the video output from my PC. I'm not sure if this like will work, but here is a link to my discussion
www.scratchlive.net

Shaun already posted a response to my question, which is actually good news for us PC Users, but in the meantime I'd like to get all possible suggestions of adjustments I could make to improve how VSL runs in my setup.

Thanks for any input you can give me on this.

funkytown looks great. what kind of video card are you using on your HP?

i noticed that the it takes two looked a bit choppy but i assume that was just the video? everything else you mixed looked very smooth.

great little set, by the way! i love how at the end you realized vanilla ice can't rhyme in time without his beat - that part always kills me!

oh and by the way, due to my extreme hatred for windows vista, i've been toying around with my leopard dvd. i've successfully run a patch for it and got it running on my gateway laptop. it is running smooth as silk. my MBP may be for sale soon :)

Glad to hear that you got something working and the it takes two looked choppy because of the loop. I'm not Phat-Al or Twizzle so I can get away with that. Vinilla ice always gets me even thought I think I can get it I can't..that shit is so off..
Anyway glad you got it up. Nivida 8600gt my specs are on my profile. I also tried the Hackbook Pro and it worked well too..Yet I don't have an issue with windwos as that's what I have used since it was made. I would use Mac more but don't know all the keyboard short cuts and it locked up on me once at a party had to reboot the damn thing. I use to say funkamac but I have one now so I have to be good to my bitch...

forgive me,,, I type fast and don't go back to look at it,,,,I did this time though. I gota work on that.

Sura you should see it if not install flash plugin, it will ask you if you don't have it and will post a yellow bar across the top asking you if you would like to install do so and you should see it.

i like my macbookpro don't get me wrong but even after purchasing one i still can't justify the price of it. its just plain insane to spend 2000 + tax on something that can be left in the dust by pc hardware @ half the price - especially if i can run both OS's on it!

I thought the same thing but on the real the Mac does run smoother plus you don't have to deal with hacked drivers which has been a pain in the ass. I didn't pay that much for my Mac it was $1400 for a 2.4 with 512 vid. about 300 more than I paid for my HP which gave me peice of mind. Yet I do feel you because I can run it on either on Mac or PC and for the most part you wouldn't know which I was using. Also there is an update coming in the next few months which might make PC run even better.

yea that's basically what i'm banking on, although i hope the update will address the cpu usage issues on macs as well - it's still a bit high according to the mac monitor app.

time will tell. i got a decent deal on my MBP, and luckily they have a great resale value. guess we'll see what happens!