My top three effects are:
1. sweepable lowpass/highpass filters (hopefully with adjustable resonance)

2. delay (would be nice if the delay sidechain had adjustable filtering as well)

3. I think a genuine (good-quality) reverb effect would be nice, that's something not found on a lot of DJ effect units.

I'd have to agree completely with Mark's list...

totally agreed.

My top three effects are:
1.Flanger
2.Filter
3.Delay

1 delay [linked to bpm/ note veriable]
2 compressor [if settings saved with file]
3 filter

My top three effects are:
1.Flanger
2.Echo
3.sweepable lowpass/highpass filters (hopefully with adjustable resonance)

I would also like a cool pitch effect (similiar to the pitch effect on the Pioneer mixer.)

Most of us are probably used to having Flanger & Echo as well.

1 - echo (and i'm sure it will be able to loop without degradation, infinitely)

2 - delay (hopefully we can jump between parameters using the buttons so we can do stuff like that Zabiela guy)

3 - i'm torn between filter and flanger

My top three effects are:

1. delay
2. pitch shift (without shifting the key the song is in)
3. filter

What does that mean?
Anyway.

1. Echo (beat matchable)
2. sweepable filter both manual sweeping with a knob(spangle) and beat matchable auto sweeps 1/2bar 1bar 2bars etc.
3. reverb

i just meant being able to increase/decrease the bpms of a song (adjust the pitch slider) without actually changing the key the song is in...so if i speed up a track it won't sound like the chipmunks...

OK - It seems that there is a fair am amount of agreement on people's top 3 - let's make it your top 5

Thinking a bit out of the box (we don't want just the same old cheesy Pioneer-style effects, do we?):

- Bass processing: subharmonic synthesis/"Maxx-bass"-type bass processing. Basically these are generating bass that's one octave lower and one octave higher than what's in the original program material (both of them can be very useful as both an enhancement and an effect). Building in some compression/peak-limiting on the sidechain would be nice for helping people keep out of trouble (blowing ther speakers).

- A flanger effect that has adjustable low-pass/high-pass filtering and compression on the sidechain, to give a nice solid flanging effect without those obnoxious "peaking" effects that sometimes happen.

1. echo/reverb/delay
2. filter
3. backwards effect. Yeah tricky to implement
4. stop effect. Easy, cheasy.
5. "Bass processing: subharmonic synthesis/"Maxx-bass"-type bass processing."

1. echo
2. echo
3. echo
4. echo
5. echo

I don't f' with effects, wih hip hop i think it makes shit sound whack, but this helps when i'm feeling lazy

1. Good reverb (hard to do but this would kill)
2. pitch adjustment independent of bpm, so that you can change the pitch by specific intervals to harmonically match songs
3. Delay
4. Filter
5. Phaser

I think it can be really down to how much control you have over the effects rather than the specific type too much.
Like on the old Electrix Mo-FX unit - the delay was great because you could instantly auto ping-pong (auto pan the delay time) and then drop back into a normal stereo delay all whilst altering the pitch of the delay.
Also, the tremelo effect (like an auto-cutter I suppose) was better than most auto-cutters simply because you could alter the timing and waveform shape of the cut by two rotaries - as well as tap in new tempos as it was running.
There is a lot to be said for being able to easily mangle audio with a couple of rotaries.

Sam - you should just let Mark choose the effects... I second every thing he has suggested.

:-)

1. First of all..the fx that lets us beatmatch "nothing but a g thang(93bpm)" with "Billy jean(115bpm)" with out having snoop sound like alvin and the chipmunks, THe one and only KEY LOCK!

2.Next, I would go with some good old fashion ECHo/DELAY/TAPE ECHO. With TAP-able(syncable) bpm so the fx can echo out to the bpm of the track.also would be nice if the echho would keep playing(DELAY)(post-fade) after you stop the track. you know what i mean, like on a pioneer or denon cd player when you hit pause/cue.

3.Next, That WATCHAMACALLIT FX - Flanger aka Sonar aka Phaser. thats a trippy fx when used correctly but should not be over used.

4. Next, SInce the new 57sl already kul little "KILL" buttons(should have gone with toggle switchs)with skull lights, i don't think the standard low/high pass filter will do. We'll going to have to be zone:92 killers and have some VCF filters and some Low Frequency Oscillators/ subharmonic synthesis(with selectable fequenceys 32hz-50hz or 60hz-85hz would be nice)

5.ANd last, If you guys can supply all of that, then you won't need a fifth FX

I am a super huger fan of flanger and phaser!!

Those are musts from drum and bass yo..

I am a super huger fan of flanger and phaser!!

Those are musts from drum and bass yo..

1.Flanger
2.Delay
3.sweepable lowpass/highpass filters (hopefully with adjustable resonance)
4. reverb
5.Echo
(6. mine is phaser)

These are the most common in this thread...

(stay away ftom the subsonic please!! -- dbx has a pattent on the real deal, and ALL other attemps sound weak and @ best nauseating.)

**patent**

1.Flanger
2.Delay
3.Vocoder
4.Filter
5.Zip

Vocoder would be super cool, you would want to be able to use the mic or one of the SSL outputs or one of the analogue inputs (decks or CD) as the modulation input.

Nice one.

yeah Vocoder would be lovely!

1. bpm counter / beat sync
2. filter / quality high and low pass filter
3. flanger
4. delay
5. spinback / drop back in time

thats my wish list which i have wanted from day 1 pleeeeeeeze help my dreams come true!

1.Flanger
2.Delay
3.sweepable lowpass/highpass filters
4. reverb
5.Echo
(6. vocoder and/or phaser)

1. Key Lock would be huge!

2. I also like th Vocoder idea. That would also be unique and usefull for both live gigs and name drops for recordings.

@Mark, funny you mention a quality flanger. I noticed last night that the flang on my denon mixer started killin the bass.

add vocoder and bit cruncher to my list

1.Flanger
2.Delay
3.sweepable lowpass/highpass filters
4. reverb
5.Echo
(6. vocoder and/or phaser)

Nothing has changed... lol..

(although I personally am not a big fan of the reverb)

i just want kill switches

i dont know how i ever mixed without them

We got the point the first two times you posted that...

i'm a big fan of the pioneer effects (on the DJM600) because they're so easy to use - if it's too complicated then it just goes to waste.

my top 5 would be:-

1. filter
2. echo
3. delay
4. flanger
5. vocoder

it would be great if they were all BPM linked & adjustable (just like the pioneer.

also would be nice if we could put FX and EQ on the MIC before recording to SSL....

finally, the alesis airFX has a nice feature where you can can tap a bass drum & hand clap with your left & right hands - don't know if this is feasible or not?

1. sampling!

not normally seen as an EFX, but I dont see why we couldnt have a sampling effect. tap to record, tap to stop, adjust, save.
maybe linked to markers?

side note. flange is the same as a one shot tight delay?


cant help but bring up the way I would like the delay to work.

Delay- First a very simple way to choose the fedback amount, exactly 1 only if I choose. And I would like the option, TIME linked to BPM. Let me choose, 1 whole measure, 1/2 a measure, 1/4 measure, 1/6 measure... and so on.... eventually you will get down to something that will sound close to a simple reverb, and then what is actually a Flange. killing more byrds

I agree that some other subharmonic synthesizers sound bad, but it's quite possible to create a good-sounding algorithm in the digital domain (better, even, than the dbx analog boxes and certainly better than the digital version dbx theselves put into their hideous-sounding Driverack PA unit). Also note that subharmonic synthesis was only half of my suggestion.

The bass-processing I outlined might be a little esoteric for the TTM57SL, but I do think it would be nice to see something other than the same old over-used boring "DJ effects".

A vocoder sounds like a cool idea, although I'm betting that a good one is expensive in terms of required DSP resources. The vocoder plug-ins I've used in Pro Tools have all been quite processor-intensive.

I see your sampling and raise you another sampling :D

I've just been playing with the new Audio Innovate AEM-100 mixer - the effects section on there is pretty fun and original.

A flange is slightly different, it is a short one shot delay where the delay length varies over time, it's the variation in delay that causes the sweeping sound.

check

1. LP/HP filters
2. flanger
3. analog modeled tape delay with HP
4. comb filters
5. echo and pitched echo
6. pitch shifter

echo
echo
echo

1. echo
2. flang
3. delay

1. Echo--that keeps going once disengaged or fader is closed, and has a wet/dry knob that creates an infinite loop once fully turned to wet. Would like to see adjustable parameters 1/4, 1/2, 3/4, 1/1, 2/1, etc (like the Pioneer 909 "Hold Echo")
2. High/Low Pass Filter
3. Reverb
4. Sampler
5. Pitch Shifter

1.Echo/Delay (beat matchable) or Tappable tempo
2.Reverb
3.Vinyl Cracking (Sound Effect) so that it can sound like vinyl
4.Flanger
5.Filter

1- echo that can be used to do feedback loops, and the ability to make the 6 control buttons like the 8/1 4/1 1/1 1/2 1/4 etc buttons on the poineer efx 1000.

2- Phase or humanizer shift like on efx 1000.

3- Bit Crusher!!!!!!!!!!

4- Auto pan! Especially since you guys turned my pan fader from the 56 into a knob! (My only gripe about the 57!)

5- Roll like on the 909 and djm800

How about the ability to use VST or AU plugin effects? After all, isn't Serato making a pitch shift/stretch plugin for SSL? (or is it already made?)

Load them, quick program them (click the plugin's "knob'slider", and twist the knob on the 57SL to set it) and control them from the mixer.

Unlimited effects. Booyah.

My top three effects are:
1.echo
2.tap delay
3.flanger
4.pitch shifter
5.?

Is it possible to use the effects without the TTM 57SL, and how does it work ?

It is possible. Though I am not quite sure how to control it w/o the screen.

The effects are inside the TTM 57SL, so if you unplug the computer, the effects still work, but in the mixer. Without the computer connected there's suddenly considerable limitations on control, since, by unplugging the computer, you'll lose the ability to know what control is changing what effects parameter on the mixer. [We didn't put a display on the mixer since the computer is typically and assumed to almost always be plugged in.]

So, the effects run in the mixer (not in the software), but it'll be a bit limiting and weird without the computer until you're accustomed to using the effects without the computer. But how many would use the 57 without the computer?

[I could make some sort of sly Microsoft Windows crashing joke here, but I'll refrain. Computers crash, so the mixer had to continue as much as possible without it...]

sample/ loop??

what about a delay that can change bpm as it going. what i mean is you can change the feedback by turning p2, what about changing the tempo with p1 after the sample.

so you can have the delay going @ 100bpm, turn p1 clockwise up to 120bpm, start next song (which is 120bpm).

this would be an alternative to delaying the first song (100bpm) @ 120bpm so to match the next songs tempo (120bpm).

(sorry if this doesn't make sense, i got the idea at the end of a keg last night but didn't think i could explain it then either).

just turn the bpm knob, It basicaly already does what you want if I understand right...

1. Vocoder

2. Sweeping Ultra Pan (Tremolo)

3. Overdrive

4. Flanger/Phaser/Chorus

5. Vinyl Simulator - Makes random pops and crackles (corny but I'm runnin thin here)

I don't think 3pm explained himeself very well. I believe what he is after is that when you change the speed of the delay you compress the sample stored in the delay bank.

Currently what happens is as you turn the BPM knob the sample is cut shorter and shorted and goes out of time with itself. What 3pm wants, I believe, is for the sample to be resampled so that the pitch of the sample changes as well as the length and it stays in time.

good lookin nobs, i was still fuzzy from over-consumption of cheap american beer :(

american beer, sounds nasty

My top Five effects are:

1. Pitch Shifter. (As on Pioneer DJM909. Beats the shit out of key lock effects found on most of todays turntables)This effect alone allows you to mix any 2 tracks together no matter how different the BPM's are: Slow hip hop into Drum 'n' Bass, no problem. Also allows you to match the key that tunes are in ie: no more clashing chords or vocals. A dream tool for Chop and screw fans.
2. Sampling. (Not an effect, yet really needed)
3. Vocoder would be superb.
4. Flanger
5. Filters

I would gladly sacrifice choices 3, 4 and 5 for a good pitch shifter.

If you haven't used a pitch shifter before, try and have a go on Pioneers 909 before making your top 5 list.
A good pitch shifting effect will increase your mixing flexability so much you'll wonder how you lived without it.

Please consider these effects:

Hold Echo (Very Important)
Hold Delay
Roll
Phaser
Jet/Flanger

ANY effects are fine, just let us turn them on with the damn footswitch!

yea, footswitch option would be nice. especially for 3-button footswitches. kinda hard to find the flex-fx button in the dark (i use that more than the "normal" way).

My top three effects are:

1. Lo-Fi Emulator (Bit Crusher)

2. Overdrive/Distortion

3. Key Lock

Also, it would be great if the effect knobs could be adjusted from precise to loose, as the parametric system that is currently in place messes me up because I will twist the knob and go from one limit to one limit sometimes, and do the same twist faster another time and only go a third of the way....

"Beat Repeater" as done in Ableton

hold echo!!!!!!

Echo Loop with built in BPM sensor "ala" Denon DN-X1500

1. Beat Repeater or Roll (kind of like auto looping but the playhead doesn't jump)
2. A stretch effect, maybe like a "tape" stop or a record, adjustable stop time etc. (imagine doing this on the back movement of a scratch just before dropping a track (ok not so relevant to the djs that can do this kind of thing manually))
3. a compressor effect that has some parameters changing with time, to create a breathing effect.

i think the echos and filters are great now.

I'd like to see:

1) Tape Echo, with regeneration parameter. This would be handy for my Dub sets.

2) Mono content removal. This can be done easily and is great for removing vocals, bass and other content that is typically only in the mono field - but without any EQ at all. I've been using Ableton Live to do this for years: see here: www.ableton.com

The basic idea is to push the stereo width of a track to the max, that removes the mono content but leaves you with a wildly phasey stereo signal... then taking one side of this "hyper-width" signal and converting it to mono with additional make-up gain.
This would be great for remixing stuff on the fly... the only downside is you usually lose the bass as well as its typically mono for vinyl compatibility.

--Copy and past this into your response--

My top three effects are:
1.Flanger
2.Delay
3.Reverb

bit crusher!

bitch crusher wouldn't be too shabby either =P

i just thought of another effect... not so much an effect really though but it could utilize one of the effects processor (i'd imagine it could be done using as much or less DSP required for the Echo)..

an oscillator/noise generator. generating sine and square waves, possibly with a noise generator to be mixed in and somehow allow the control vinyl to modulate the sound

This would be great for generating tones and noises for scratching, but with added realtime control via the 57's encoders it turns the 57 more into an instrument.

i got hooked on the djm 909's echo with defeatable eq low mid or high when turned on.

Would love that on the 57 if possible.

Not about effects really but I would love the option to use the 6 (B1 - B6) buttons for samples, like lickshots. So I didn't have to bring my effect sampler with me.

Would love that on the 57 if possible...

Dainja... just make a .wav with up to 5 samples in it, spaced out every couple seconds or so...
then set cue points for the 5 samples...

then use group 4 to trigger them.

Great idea!
It would be good if we had a 3rd channel to do this so we can quickly go into another song.

quickly go into another song? just use custom group 2's default settings, the right Encoder is used for loading tracks.

in the setup of SSL, make it to start from first cue point, then when you push that encoder in you can immediately drop your new track.

seriously... the 57SL is so powerful, 2 channels is all you need.... its harnessing the power that is the trick.

if i could harness the power to run my truck, that would help greatly with my gas bills!

I want to be able to shot of my lickshots while mixing two tracks together so AdamJays tip dosen't do it for me. Thanks anyway.

i want it to replace my Dr.Sample 303

1. A DJM-909 combined with ableton combined with reaktor style FX box. Basically user programmable multi FX.

2. A flanger

3. Some wild effects like vocoder where pgm channel is carrier and mic input is modulator....Beat repeat....Pitch shift etc

4. A sampler or sample triggering ability - to trigger horns/drops/etc

5. MIDI control from the mixer to control external FX.

It would be amazing if Rane designed effects that incorporate various components of the mixer (like faders knobs etc) to control various fx parameters.

1/ Flanger
2/ Vocoder
3/ Vocal remover
4/ Midi learn

Yeah, i absolutely second that. the only way to do it now is to have the same track sincronized in both decks but only having channel 1 up, go to loop on channel 1 and then fade to channel 2. but it's kind of a drag to do it this way.

oh, you can almost do it another way. instead of fading to the second channel you just instant double from the second deck to the first deck to resume the position you would have been at. I'm not sure that the instant double works fast enough. If it doesn't then this is something that could probably be improved.

1)pitch delay

2)bit crush/distortion

3)sampler that can stretch

But all are pointless unless they are high quality and have lots of tweakable params!!

My top three effects are:
1. Delay/Reverb
2. Non -sweepable filters (like the one they have in Pioneer DJM800, i've seen nothing better so far, it helps you to improve the mix so much!, even without toughing the EQ at all)
3. Bit Cracker

check put the new 1.8 beta new effects...

- A new Phaser effect.
- A new Flanger effect.
- The Desecrator effect (bit crusher and downsampler).
- HP Echo
- HP Hold Echo

www2.scratchlive.net

exactly what i would like to see!

then i would stop thinking about buying an efx 500

Check out 1.8. You may like it, Tekniskcian ;)

So can you fix the pop when the flex fx button is engaged with the kaoss pad 3?
Also is there a way of changing the gain on the flex efx so that the input level on the kp3 doesnt need to clip to match the dry signal?
It would be sweet to get an option to change the gain of the flex return by maybe + 4 db?
Even 2 would probably be ok!

well, i use the instant doubles to sync the tracks, but with the fader. i just tried your alternative method and it works all right! (it is fast enough), but sometimes it makes a click sound. another positive thing of using the fader on the transition is that is that i'll go into the loop, and just before fading out of it, i'll stop the turntable, giving the last repetition a braking sound. it sounds pretty cool!

Can you elaborate?

thanks for the desecrator!

luv the name too....sounds like a new decepticon.

"Seratocons, combine and form DESECRATOR!"

=P

1. OK basically first prob I encounter is when I turn the flex fx button on or off with the kp3 I get a pop in the speakers.
Now I been told thats because the signal isnt zeroed (digital)?
Not really a good enough excuse if you ask me and this also happened with the kp2.
2. The next prob I and a few other peeps in sydney using the same set up found is that the kp3 doesnt have an output gain knob so to match the wet flex fx signal with the dry signal you have to push the kp3 into the red zone (thats with the trims and eqs on the 57 set at 0).
So I was hoping that it may be possible to get a bit more gain in the flex fx return so as to not have to push the input on the kp3 so hard to balance the signal.
A couple of db is all we need!!!
Maybe an internal pad switch?
Ya feelin me? : )

Hm... I remember this issue... not resolved yet. Time to give it a hard bump. Maybe even in the 1.7/1.8 PB area. Someone needs to remind them.

2. okay understood. Didnt know of that problem yet. Did you post about this before, cause I cant rememebr ever reading about it.

I wish they would allow FX controls from Groups 1/2...

1- BP Echo. Band Pass Echo for the dubby sound we all want.

2- A sampler. If you have digital delay, you can have a small sampler too!

3- Vocoder! We have the mic, we have another signal. Eaaasy.

Reverbs would be nice.

the new HP echo sounds great.

I notice a lot of people freak out trying to use the effects of the 57 .. after being spoiled my the DJM 600/800.

maybe this is good though? maybe the flashing orange button makes it too easy to over use the effects?

but a dedicated effects section for the 57 would have been nice. esp for using the effects off the computer. you can be a pro at using the group buttons.. and setting up the effect. just sucks not knowing mix / depth / parm amounts.

whats up with the 58?

I see what you're saying but that's part of the process of being a good DJ, knowing when to use effects. If a DJ over-uses effects it's their own problem (and that of the audience).

But there is often a tradeoff between ease of use and flexibility. the effects are harder to use on the 57 but, especially in the case of the filters, there are things that you just can't do with the pioneer models. In particular my main problem with them is the lack of control over resonance of the filter... you can't turn it off and it's crazy!!!

I love the 57 FX. They couldn't be any simpler.

my main problem with fx is that just to engage a filter or flanger i have to do something like:

hit group > press 6 > select/change effect hardware window > press deck > then press 6 > then press 1 or 2, or 3 and then flex fx before i can even turn a knob!


and all the while risking hitting cues or other triggers accidentally. and then i have to change groups again to go back to selecting cues. and imagine repeating this process several times in an evening! if it were possible to assign fx and serato functions within the same group then we wouldnt need to hit a million buttons for a simple task.


and then there are other possibilities..like having normal serato controls from group 1....but when you momentarily press footswitch your knobs turn into filter cutoff etc...and theres some kind of visual feedback- from lights blinking on the 57 or the serato screen indicating that you've engaged effects from the footswitch...

i don't think the 57 interface is layed out badly - its just the way you need to go through various menus that makes it difficult to use fx quickly in a live situation. but if its improvable then why not make it better. im sure lots of people have already asked for this...but its alot easier to update the software than come out with a 58 mixer.

Flex FX...

Flex fx works fine for the echo... I'm not sure it's really sufficient for the filters...

Pitched echo. as mentioned above and described somewhat here: www.scratchlive.net

1. sampling
2. multi track recording
3. sampling

lolz all i need in my life

1. Roll Echo
2. Duck Echo

as described here www.scratchlive.net

3. Sampling as described everywhere else

Beat Grid
Pitch echo (like the efx 1000)

Ducking echo!
Flex fx engage/disengage with foot switch
Beat repeat (like in Ableton live)
pitched echo.
sampling
multi track recording
switch to increase the return level of flex fx for us Kaoss pad users (inputs run too hot otherwise)

Definitely Auto Pan with possibility to call bpm multipliers with foot switch. Would be priceless while scratching.

ah...i like the bpm multipliers idea....esp w/foot switch.

+1 BPM Multipliers!

+1