i believe these are their lowest end speakers.

haven't heard the ev's in person yet, but i know the yamaha's are def sweet sounding.

The specs are exactly like the PRX12 so i don't know about lowest end...the PRX12 sound good and loud clear @ 126db with those specs that's why i'm thinking about it.

The EV name let's me know they will sound really good but the DXR most likely have better DSP+more Spl

I heard them in the controlled ev environment at NAMM. They were decent. They do not sound as good as the DXRs or K series.

decent is good enough at $800 a pair,i think i may give them a chance since i have subs to go with them...but i'll wait till i can AB them at a local store

How do they compare to the ev elx?

I've never listened to the ELX. I am sure they won't sound better. Why would they want to cannibalize their own sales?

Some DJS Don't A Damn About Quality, All They See Is Price...

This is very true.

"Quality" is limited by alot of factors from one DJ to the next e.g income & actual testing...with the current economic outlook...people are forced to save where they can and you can't convince someone to spend $1100 on a KW122 or $899 or a K12 when for example the DXR series is a better choice soundwise and price at $699...so quality is subjective sometimes.

But i do agree on testing before one buys that's why i'm wondering what corners did they cut to sell a powered 12" for $399!

Like i mentioned earlier,the PRX12 has the same specs and does sound decent so if the ZLX sounds as good or better,why wouldn't it be the better choice? price shouldn't determine it all but proper testing which is what i'll do and then decide between DXR or ZLX.

What are you going to be doing with the speakers? If you are going to be using them at all for a cocktail hour system then I woukd go the route of the DXR. It has the built in mixer on the back which accepts RCA inputs as well as a mic channel. This means plug in an ipod directly and you are good to go. If you need to do a quick announcement you can plug in a mic and do it on the spot. No mixer needed,

Also, the warranty on the DXRs is 7 years. The EVs is 5 years for the cabinets but only 3 years on the amps and drivers. This tells me the DXRs would be a better rental box.

Lastly, you can get the DXR-12s for around $560. Although you can get the ZLX-12s for $240 which is crazy cheap.

Oops I was wrong. $319 or the 12s.

yeah i may go the DXR 12 route,the cheapness alone of the ZLX line is scary lol.

Almost forgot about the 7 year warranty on the DXR! where can i get 'em for $560? thats a great price.

I'm wondering the same thing on the possible corners cut to get such a low price point. I'm not knocking EV's low price point because there is a market segment to suit everyone and their application needs; it looks like EV is clearly targeting for those. It is true though that a low price price will, at many times, make DJs ignore all other qualities.

I'm not quite sure the specs on theses ZLX's are on par or "the same" as those of the JBL PRX612's.

EV ZLX states:
126dB max SPL
65-18.5K Hz frequency response

JBL PRX612 states:
134dB max SPL
60-17.5k Hz frequency response

The frequency response range difference is very similar with the JBL going 5Hz lower but giving a full 1Khz on the top end vs. the EV. This would nearly be a wash head-to-head but that 8dB of max SPL difference between the two is nearly double the volume, leading me to believe the PRX is capable of being nearly twice as loud. Also, take a look at the frequency response graph. It does not state at which distance the graph was measured but on the JBL's graph, nearly every frequency is hovering around the 100dB sensitivity line; whereas, the EV's graph is floating between 90-95dB sensitivity.

The best advice is to compare for yourself, in store, with the same music and side-by-side conditions (not one separate locations or different shelves). Make sure the structures they sit on don't give unwanted vibrations. With the same music, play them loud until they just clip to get a gauge on how the built-in DSP handling the limiting and to gauge max volume. Pay attention to proper gain structure from the source and don't let them send you a distorted signal.

It's true, EV does make good sounding equipment.



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^^^ I'm not sure how EV measured their cabinet for max SPL (pink noise or music). The JBL measurement is pink noise.

WoW... I just looked at the LED feature display and all of the parameters it allows one to adjust on the ZLX speaker. It seems like a lot of can-do for the price. These adjustment capabilities; however, don't necessarily mean a quality sound (the components and drivers do).

Gaffle,i'm telling you the settings it has and the look of the speaker is all pro like...hope the performance keeps up...i do have 2 EV SX300 and boy those things are loud and never failed.

i know the JBL PRX LF drivers have about the same senstivity @ 95db as the ZLX passive boxes(I'm assuming the're the same in the powered version) so i don't know how they came out with louder testing using the same 1000w as ZLX? but like you said i'll test first,then decide.....it seems to me the PRX is more of a calculation or half space situation.


Now the EV SX 300 @99 db senstivity easily does 131db

The ZLX also have a smaller footprint than most 12"s because of the new port design...i love the 7 year DXR warranty though...so i'll check em out and see if they make the cut :-)

i'm curious about the new Behringer iQ line. They seem to be stepping their game up lately.

www.behringer.com

I wonder if the logo is removable.

i've used bringer stuff (EQs not speakers)before but i've heard many complain their equipment fails without warning.

For a speaker between them and EV,it'd be an easy EV choice.

Haha. Nothing a little gaff tape won't cover.

It's crazy to think they own some of the top audio equipment companies in the world now.

Yeah, first thing I saw after checking them out. Seems like a lot of features for the price:
Prices are as follows: iQ8: $549; iQ10 $599; iQ12 $699; iQ15 $799; iQ15s $899; iQ18s $999.
Definitely will have to check them out...

at least those are more realistic prices lol the ZLX looks beautiful on the outside,but is it that beautiful inside.

Kinda like meeting a pretty girl but then turns out to be a gold digger that sucks out all your hard earned money and never delivers lol

Trust me spend the extra cash for the QSC K12's you will bust a nut! no homo

It seems like those ZLXs are meant to be SRM, Eon, etc competitors. Looking to grab either the DXRs or the Lives. Great to have competition though!

dj GOOK all all tests the DXR has topped the K12....

anyway thanks for chiming in but at this point i'm going for the DXR,the ZLX seems to be low end which is sad cause it's a beautiful speaker,don't think the guts match the outside.

I bet the ZLX will sound very similar to the K12. Maybe not as loud. I think they got the ZLX down to the price point they are at by what the Cabinet is made out of.

good point onetime...i'll def wait and test before pulling the trigger....they would be for mobile gigs mostly.i have EV's passive SX300 and they are simply amazing...was hoping for the price point & EV name, the ZLX would do so i don't have to lug around an amp even though it's light(QSC GX7) +extras.

Maybe at low volumes but a $400 difference in price definitely means there is a lot more that is different besides cabinet composition.

ZLX external with DXR internals,now that would be a great speaker....lol it's amazing that you can have 2 ZLX for $799 before price match? imagine if you get a 15-20% price match discount.it would be hard to pass em up especially for gigs that don't go that loud :-)

But like you said Rebelguy the internals are worrisome to say at this point until we test.

i'm calculating the price for the drivers,amp+DSP,enclosure+Labour and $399 seems crazy even if mass produced unless they paid the labour $1-2 an hour or so. so basically i'm wondering about the quality of the internals most esp amp+DSP.

The drivers them selves are good enough i think.

Now that they are out,has anyone done any comparisons...if so how do they sound compared to the usual suspects K12,DXR 12,KW 12 and the like,thanks

I just bought ZLX15 last week and i'm very impressed! the sound quality is incredible and very good bass.. i like the preset and eq mode..

^ what would you compare them to? ELX, Yamaha's, QSC's?

I've read some mixed reviews. My guess is they sound good for the price and probably best in their class, but still somewhat under the top tier ones.

Just ordered a pair of 12s ZLX after getting 4 pro recommendations.i got them pricematched all the way down to $699 from AMS for a pair mother's day weekend...

I couldn't resist such an offer and with the sound quality everyone is talking about...i think these speakers are a game changer in the low budget category....for those who play really loud i'd recommend 4 ZLX since they peak at 126db...which means 123-124db is where they may stay clean.

Mine arrive today and i'll report back with a quick review....my EV SX300 will be kept for backup.

I'll be using a sub or 2 with these for normal events...EV says you will not reach that peak number if you are pushing too much base through them guys....so yeah subs are recommended esp for the 12s otherwise get the 15s.

EV's killing it right now. We're using their powered subs and tops for a lot of our recent installs.

Without subs, I don't think they're as good as the K series. You just can't beat QSC. But like I said, pair the EV tops with the cheaper EV subs and the average party goer couldn't care less, nor notice a difference.

I haven't headr the ZLX yet, we've only installed the ELX 15's, the 12" sub and the 18" subs - the subs are incredible for the price.

Here's my experience.

I'll put my K10 up against the ELX115p any day as a monitor. I have compared them side by side in a packed club, using both at a monitor and doing a/b tests. The K10 smokes the ELX115p. The K10 just hits harder and is overall better sounding (for me). I feel like the EV is super tight and crisp though. The EV would probably be the loudest but I want my speakers to be on cruise control, not full blast.

My JBL 15" PRX's crush the EV ELX115p. Again, the PRX's hit harder. I would be curious to do a side by side with the new EV ZLX and the JBL PRX's.

Overall, I would recommend buying EV but ONLY if you plan on using subs. Two of the 12" ZLX or ELX's and two of the 12" powered EV subs for a bad ass system on a budget.

Austin,

How can a 10 hit harder than a 15?? i totally disgree bro...maybe you mean something else but there's no way.....now if you say the K12 in Deep mode at low volumes then i'd agree but overall that's wrong info for a new DJ who may think the 10" will overall out perform a 15" while spinning away the whole Night.

Now the K10 with 18" subs are really excellent!

Asu, trust me the K10 sounds better at a regular (not peak) volume. I will put my k10 up against a elx115 as a monitor any day. It hits harder.

K10 deep mode, no sub. The K12 will crap on any EV mentioned above, hands down, any situation...

I still like EV's and I use EV's every weekend. I will buy more EV in the future. They're a great speaker for front of house - especially paired with a sub.

If I'm at a spot where no sub is required, I choose to take K10's or JBL PRX's. They have better deep end.

Talking about monitors... different story. That's for me and to help me perform. I take down the provided EV at one of spots and setup my K10 every time I'm there.

Ok as a monitor i guess your right since it's low volume...thats why i think they re-did the ELX into ZLX with different EQ curves to utilize the 1000W better.i've heard the ZLX are quite deep...you can now set them using built in DSP as monitor which i flat response,Live or Club which give you deeper sound.

On top of that you can manually addjust them for more depth or brighter highs.

When i read all that plus have been and grown up aound EV products,i decided to pull the trigger...good thing AMS has a 45day return policy if i'm not satisfied :-)

I prefer a smaller speaker for use as a monitor. I carried an HPR122i in my trunk for years. A smaller driver has better clarity in the midrange frequencies, which is much more important for monitoring than bass. The club's stack of 18" subs take care of the bass for me....

Can't wait to checkout the ZLX's and hear more reviews here. They might be my next purchase.

Specifically, ZLX 12" tops vs K12's

I'm at work right now but the ZLX just got delivered at home...i'll give a quick review later tonight or 2moro...

I plan on using them with 18sub(s) :-)

I'm interested in A/B ing these --- becausu the majority of the reviews I've read is the ELX are better speakers.

Same drivers in both,same 1000 Watts,customisable DSP in the ZLX,physically time aligned drivers too.

the ELX enclosure my make a slight difference in resonace but the sound shouldn't be that much different IMHO.

Better speakers i don't really think so,better sound? that depends on alot...i'll report back and let you guys know....

Who's going to take one for the team? :P

I already have,my pair of 12 ZLX arrived today...going home right now to see if the hype is true lol.

Got a mother's day pricematch all the way down to $699 for the pair...i'll see if it's the best investment ever :-)

What will you A/B them against? Pretty much any speaker will sound good solo. I thought the Tapco Thumps sounded good solo but next to a QSC HPR121i, it sounded like poo.

I believe they have different amps or the ELX is Bi-Amped. Let us know what you think of them.

I have to LOL at this....

The EV elx115p easily outperforms the k12's in almost any situation (without a sub) where it's 100, up to - 200 guests. I have used both in these situations w/o subs. The EV barely breaks a sweat. The K12's (esp in deep mode) break up at the higher volume and the highs are actually pain inducing...

Annnnnd if you disagree with my wording...that's fine..maybe it doesn't "easily outperform"...but it sure as hell doesn't get "crapped on" by the k12 either...

The k12's are great speakers...but they have their limits. Same as the EV's...the bass isn't in your chest...but it is nice (The prx 615m def hits harder tho, as stated)

I'd use a K10 as a monitor over an Elx115 any day of the week also....but only cause why carry a 15 around with me unless it's an absolute necessity?! and to me, for a monitor...it's not. K10 will suffice.

The Live x series is easily the best product for the price and in a side by side/overall rating comparison are just a hair under the K12, Prx615, DSR/DXR 115 in the key performance, reliability, look, portability areas.. (it wins in some to some of these other models..and loses in some to some of the other models...but is not flat out killed by any of these speakers..)

Ok got home turned one on and plugged in my iPhone with some club music.
running through all the settings and the various sound modes....there's speech mode which pretty much removes much of the lows and enhances the mid-range a little...most of us would use it in either monitor mode which is pretty much flat,Live enhances the Lows just a little +mid range and highs...club mode adds more depth to the Lows and enhances the highs a little more.

the ZLX 12P has that trademark EV warmth...i'm also blown away by the intelligibility and clarity of the HF.

If not satisfied,you can also go in there and increase the LF response and HF....for example i set it to club mode and wanted to see how deep it can go so i maxed out the bass and boy oh boy...it sounded like engaging deep mode on a K12. i used a uncompressed track.
I also used an mp3 @ 320kbps of the same track and it was still damn good, i couldn't tell the difference.

Now assuming the amps are reliable like in the other EV powered speakers,my verdict is EV definitely has a winner here...the speaker has a very pro look to it...and sounds really good.

There's no fan on the amp module but there vents on the top and bottom of the amp module to enable air circulation...so i wouldn't recommend using these out in 100 degree summer heat...but should be ok indoors.

I'm gonna push them more on Friday at our venue & AB with a K12 & PRX and let you guys know what i think.

BUT SO FAR....I'M VERY VERY IMPRESSED...WASN'T EXPECTING MUCH FOR PRICE MATCHED $350 PER SPEAKER.IT SOUNDS LIKE A $600 SPEAKER.

The world must be ending soon lol,which of us ever expected a powered quality speaker from a big company like EV to cost this little lol

damn. i'm still skeptical. would love to hear a pair.

i'm not fond of the elx series. i think the qsc have much better sound. but i haven't heard them pushed, and from what i hear, people say they get harsh when pushed.

why does ev say they are their entry level speakers? that's what makes me nervous. how are they compared to the zxa series?

The ZXA 5 are in a different league and super loud and cost a fortune lol...ZLX are pretty good for their price...the specs are close to PRX612($699)...the 133db you see on the PRX is half space/Calculated measurement which means a realistic 125-126db in full space as the ZLX12P is :-) EV chose to be honest with us this time.

The K12 get's harsh due to the HF driver they use...it's loud but get's harsh real quick and needs serious eqing which most DJs frankly don't use since they just plug em in straight from the mixer or controller.

Also entry level doesn't mean bad lol many people seem to think that...but i think it depends on the Loud speaker company in question and your use for the speaker.

EV has been club standard in much of the world and still is...and many of their speakers are quite good including entry level ones....oh and by the way i forgot to mention these have a location setting too....bracket,pole or monitor.

Bracket reduces the lows by assuming you're doing a club install with subs of course,pole position enhances the lows quite abit...monitor pretty much gives you a flat eq curve...I'm telling you for the price...the customization+sound quality is best in this Class(Low budget)

For what i paid,i have no regrets...but i'll push them to the max on Friday and let you guys know what they sound like at higher volumes,that's when I'll decide if they are keepers.

What size events can those handle?

well 2 + a sub would do 150pple easily...obviously if your in a big hall or have a bigger crowd say 200+ then bringing out 4 of these plus 2 quality subs would be ideal...they have a wide coverage too.Horizontal is 90 degrees...now thats wide.

I'll be using them with 2 QSC KW181...by the way i also forgot to mention they have a built in setting where you can turn on the built in crossover to match the sub you're using there's off position, 80Hz,100Hz & ELX118P...now thats a cool feature...all these features the ELX Series never had that's why i didn't bother with it.

The Top and Bottom handles are cool too as you can pull the speaker out of the Box or bag easily...there's a side old school handle too with enough room for guys with extra large hands lol...it's 34 lbs only....so you can carry 2 easily.

even if you buy four of these it won't break your bank account...thats still only $1500-$1600 for four quality ZLX 12P :-)

Unless you're running them at 4 corners of the room or one top stacked directly on top of the other (not recommended), do NOT purchase four 90 degree tops. That lends to a lot of comb filtering and is not ideal for good sound intelligibility. You're negating clear sound for the sake of loudness. If your tops are 60 degrees, then you can run 4 tops splayed next to one another.

Nice reviews. My only concern is will they pass the test of time and not fail.

ELX115's (without a sub) are not better in any category than K12's Tracktion. The ELX speakers are not worth the price tag. Spend a little more and get K series or PRX's... I'm curious to hear more about the ZLX's. We may start to use these for all of our upcoming installs.

Thanks for the input Gaffle...the more everyone knows,the better choices they can make for their needs :-)

Austin,i noticed they have a bracket where you can install them in a horizontal position making dispersion 60x90 which is what gaffle was talking about...obviously EV thought about both angles....for a guy like me that uses 2 tops 90% of the time the 90x60 is excellent for coverage...for austin 60x90 install position is preferable i'd assume.

Now begins the test of time...and reliability...but going by past EV powered sets...i'm hoping for the best :-) ...i'll AB on friday and report back saturday...but so far,EV has done well with these.

not talking about the zx series with the 15" horn. i know those are good. talking about the zxa series. came out the other year. the 8" top and 12" sub. tiny lil speakers.

okay wait...i was a bit confused.

i wanna know the diff between the zx series and the zlx series.

Go to electrovoice.com for details but generally speaking ZX series uses different drivers/Amp modules and costs quite a lot more.

The LF drivers are Long Excursion Drivers and thus give you quite some serious thump...even the 8 sounds really good...the 12 sub also uses a Long excursion Driver but i wouldn't recommend it for anything more than 50 people...it's 126db half space...so in a small room or studio it will sound really good & deep with 700watts rms for a 12!

in an open environment or big room,you wouldn't be able to move much air though...

ZLX just cameout,i think we'll see a ZLX 118P soon to match these tops.


By the way i just did an AB with a K12 today....i loved the K12's depth with deep mode engaged at low volumes but honestly when you max out the ZLX Bass level,it gets deep too....though not as deep as the K12.

The HF area is where the EV shined and i preferred the ZLX overall sound and warmth with music better...the K12 was dull in my opinion and as you guys know the harshness gets really bad the higher you crank up the volume.I personally don't think you can DJ without an EQ with the K/KW series especially when playing loud.

The EV is plug and play,even without EQing,it sounds really good straight from the mixer.

After the AB,i don't think i could justify the purchase of the more expensive K12.


So looks like I'm keeping these for now :-)

I've used them all and am just going to respectfully disagree...

I/my company owns them all and I use each one (PRX, K10/12, ELX). I guess to each their own...

Asu, thanks for the reviews. Can't wait to get my hands on some of the ZLX 12's.

Your Welcome Austin and the rest...took one for the team and it payed off lol

I got home and set the ZLX to Club mode,maxed out the bass level and set it about 5 meters from my listening position...it now sounded as deep as the K12...

There's also visual display of your input levels (input 1 & 2) on the back LCD which is a nice touch so as not to overload the amp....i set the amp to -3db volume.

What i also loved is that even at a super low input volume(VU Level not showing at all) the speaker maintained it's depth,

When you turn it on,it's very silent,there's no poping sounds/hum or anything through the speaker...so i guess it's DSP is really well built with proper noise gating.

How did those speakers turn out last night Asu?

The speakers are amazing for their price and have plenty of volume...especially when used with subs...which means you set the built in crossover at 80Hz or 100Hz...and turn up some more.

I used them with one 18 sub and have no regrets at all...they sounded better than the K12 as i said earlier when you crank up the volume.

Asu, any particular reason you picked 12p instead of the 15p?

I don't run subs and trying to be compact.

So i am thinking of buying one of each and listen for myself

If you don't run subs get the 15s and trust me you won't be disappointed...the DSP alone is worth the price...very very customizable...

I use a sub or 2 for bigger events but usually for the stuff i do...two 12's are more than enough plus these have some serious base if you set them up right and sound good straight from my DDJ-SX with no EQ...with the K12 an eq was a must especially when you play real loud to combat the harshness.

a very compact mobile package was my goal.

I'm now thinking about buying two more down the line for bigger events.

Damn I need to go hear these. I'm second guessing my ELX's.

Sam Ash has them on the Demo floor...go check 'em out

I heard one of these with the elx118p sub and it sounded good

Just came from another gig,house party...they performed flawlessly...just run them from my DDJ-SX and they sounded really good...used no sub tonight.

i really love the fact that they don't get harsh when crank it up...

When subs are needed anything deeper than the ELX118P like the KW181 or the less expensive New Cerwin Vega P1800SX series.

used em as monitors the other nite, thought they sounded good, forgot to crank them up though.

Glad i'm not alone :-) they are pretty good for their price

I'm glad I checked out this thread a week ago. Prior to reading about the ZLX series here, I had never heard of them. Originally, I was looking to upgrade to the JBL 15" EXT speakers but after doing my research and actually hearing the The EVs, I decided to go with a set of ZLX15P units. They arrived today and I think they sound excellent for the price. I ended up getting my set for $890. I'm looking forward to using them out at my next gig. Thanks again!

Now that you guys had some time with it...

Can these get pretty loud (full range setting) before clipping comparing it to the ELX, DSR, DXR, PRX, and K12s? Do the amps get hot like the PRXs? Do they continue to perform well if pushed slightly under clipping for +6 hours?

I got a pair and i think they sound fabulous...they get pretty loud 126db peak...i did a small house party last weekend for 30pple with just one of these and it got pretty loud before the clip light came on...i dialed the base down a bit and all was fine.

like i said it doesn't sound harsh at all even at loud volumes straight from my DDJ-SX.

EV has changed the game with these...trust me when i tell you these speakers are really good.

If you don't use subs get the 15s they hit real deep,the key is correct setup...if you don't play real loud,set them up on pole/club or Live mode.dial up the bass a little to say +5 to +7 db and it will be real deep.

Well funky-fresh,why would you want to abuse your gear and keep it clipping for 6hours+ of course the amp will shut down and go into protection mode....if you tend to push your gear too much then protect it with a Driverack PX or PA.

Otherwise you'll ruin it and then blame EV for making "Bad" speakers.

If you want to play louder,get 4 and use one per corner...you may need to time align the ones in the rear.

The amps just get slightly warm to the touch.

The K12 are louder but cost twice as much for only 4db more(Calculated by the way),but they are also very harsh at loud volumes.The DXR would be a better choice if you wish to pay more for louder or better sound.

As for me,the warmth of 2 ZLX and one 18 Sub is more than enough.People also Noticed how cool the speaker looks.I'm very happy with my purchase :-)

I wasn't saying to keep your speakers clipping, i said slightly under so it can perform at its highest setting before damaging the speakers... i dont push my speakers that hard by any means. Some companies do a better job by using better quality internals so that if you were to push it hard for long periods of time, it will continue to work without shutdown. Thanks for the feedback. I thought about picking these up before i got a pair of PRX's because they were so much cheaper. They look nice.

My bad funkyfresh,realised u said slightly under lol...they kept up really well but like many have said,let's see how they hold up over time...i'm gonna be using a drive rack PX eventually and set them up nicely

You get what you pay for, and these are cheap

I had a pair demo'd for me recently in the music store, I was quite shocked.

Not always true

In this case the speakers matter and nothing else, moving on...

OK Guys just got back from a 3day convention and after a smooth weekend with the ZLX 12 powered i have to say I'm now 100% sold on them,i was able to use them to their max.

We had a boat Cruise on sat where i used 2 of the ZLX and one 18 Sub,it was perfect for the size on the floor we had, with occasional limiting stepping in once in a while,we even had 2 guys sing through them using recorded tracks and you'll know that's a true test of how a speaker can keep up.

The shape of the sound was consistently really good and clear but most importantly never harsh even with the occasional limit light flashing. :-)

These have killed the K12 and the DXR in my book...absolutely amazing...we used 4 EV tops and 4 18" subs and i was really impressed with the clarity even at high Volumes.

I was also worried about how they'd keep up being very affordable with such a cool DSP for $399?? but trust me they are so much more a piece.

So for those of you that had your fears,just buy asap...i couldn't find any corners that were cut...gonna get bags for mine...the housing will get scratched by your other gear.

Great information! I'm ordering a couple bags for my set too.... I already got a couple scuffs on them from using them at my 2 gigs last weekend.

yup,they are so Valuable to me now that i know what they are capable of,So bags are a must now...i think EV is gonna come out with a ZLX 118P 2000Watts.we'll see,i talked to them about it...something to match the look and DSP of the ZLX.

it would be amazing if it costs $700 :-)

You get what you pay for if your looking for additional bass in a small room say 100 people these will work great but if playing a lot of hip hop these will not satisfy your need for bass my buddy bought them and 1 mackie 1801 blows 2 of these of the water and that mackie is like 6 years old lol.

The Mackie 1801 is also a sub, no? Or do you mean Mackie 450's?

DJ Jamalot is talking about something else

Plus mackies aren't reliable at all at least not in the last 8years

I know the 1801 is a sub but we were talking about 12" tops

yeah my bad wrong speaker i meant the 450

to each his own but i'm an EV guy and trust their reliability and know EV to be club standard like Pioneer...the EV's sound best to me...i'm using them with a Cerwin Vega P1800SX sub and that helps the overall sound than pushing everything thru 2 12" tops only.

The Cerwin Vega P1800SX is quite deep and more reliable than the Mackie 1801...power specs are just about the same and price.

and i'm comparing the 1801HD to the Cerwin Vega P1800SX as a sub.

Killed the DXR'S? now i know you talking bullshit.......

I,m talking about price wise vs quality...the DXR def is the better of the two but not by much IMHO...the K12 def is killed by this speaker...you have to use them to hear the difference.

EV has changed the game with these,when two guys sang through these and they held up well,that's when i was really impressed,as for DJ music,that's easily done...the ZLX are keepers.

i posted this months ago--------> serato.com

good to here i'm a big ev fan, i mean have you ever heard a ev box that didn't sound good??

the 15s are just as good?

I wanted to get the DXR but then EV announced these and we were all skeptical seeing the price...but man these have that signature EV sound,especially the horn,very musical and clear...i have some SX300 too and these sound as good...the DSP is where different people will get different sound but i love the fact that it's very customizable :-)

Memorial weekend erased all my fears,the guy/group that sung through them is nominated on this years BET awards and boy he's loud,lol but they handled him and that's when i was 100% sold...even with the limit light,the shape of the sound stayed very audible...so looks like EV really put some time into the DSP....i'm very happy no corners were cut...we got more than we payed for :-)

The 15s must be really deep :-) but i use subs so the 12s are perfect.

I'm buying 2 more in a couple of weeks.

Asu what kind of music were you playing when you used the EVs? I'm debating between getting the ZLX-15P, Yamaha DXR115 & QSC K12 this weekend. I currently don't have any speakers as this would be for my first setup to plug directly into a Pioneer DDJ-S1 controller. The first venue i'd be doing more than likely won't have a sub so i want to make sure whichever speakers I go with can kick out some good bass. I'll be mostly playing hip hop, R&B, dancehall reggae & soca.

^^^ if price & weight are not an issue, i would do dxr, now if your on a budget zlx is you clear winner

Thanks. Price is definitely a concern. I will order through American Musical as I intended to pay in installments regardless but knowing I would be on the hook for less per month while still getting something of quality is definitely a plus. I will go with the EVs then & get some small monitors for when I'm home practicing.

the zlx my be a budget speaker, but don't let the price fool you it's a good sounding box

Definitely good to know. I've heard many good things about EV & heard the ZLX-12P in person as well. They sounded better than the Alto 15s & the JBL EON 15s I heard in Guitar Center. Even the sales guy who is a JBL fan was surprised at how good the EVs sounded

I'm still curious to hear the ZLX next to the ELX, I've only found one post online and stated the ELX's are louder, the ZLX has better control with the DSP.

Holy crap i didnt realise that was an avaliable option

If you don't have a sub or plan on not using a sub most of the time...then get the 15 ZLX...

but many do agree that two 12s paired with a sub(s) reproduce the best sound.

Haze,i don't agree that the ELX are louder,it could be they resonate better since they use wood,the drivers are the same,the ZLX actually will go really loud if you take out that bottom end with the built in crossover and let the sub handle the lows....this is how i used them...i used the built in crossover,set it at 100HZ and on top of that i did a -5bd on the base level of the 12....they got really loud and i was sold at this point...so due to the customizable DSP,i'd argue the ZLX will get louder than the ELX.

EV is known for it's amazing horns/HF drivers...i don't know how they do it but they have the best horns in the industry in my opinion.

i use mine straight from the DDJ-SX...and they sound amazing...but i plan to add a drive rack PX so i don't have to worry about over driving them as the night goes on :-)

I got mine from AMS too,very good guys,i buy from them 70% of the time,just be honest and make your payments as scheduled...you need to hear them and you'll be surprised!!

Asu, what kind of sub would you recommend using if I was to go with the 12s? Cost is a concern but AMS is definitely my best friend

[Quote]Asu what kind of music were you playing when you used the EVs?[/Quote]

As usual,i was doing top 40,reggae and some dance music.

I was using the new Cerwin-Vega P1800X ,it's a 2000W powered sub that's almost as deep as the QSC KW181....it has pretty much the same back pannel too...for $400 less than the KW181...but you can't go wrong with either the QSC or the Cerwin Vega....they both give you some serious base and are both light.

If you abuse your speakers,then buy a driverack PX

As usual,i was doing top 40,reggae and some dance music.

I was using the new Cerwin-Vega P1800X ,it's a 2000W powered sub that's almost as deep as the QSC KW181....it has pretty much the same back pannel too...for $400 less than the KW181...but you can't go wrong with either the QSC or the Cerwin Vega....they both give you some serious base and are both light.

If you abuse your speakers,then buy a driverack PX

I was looking at that Cerwin Vega too. I heard good things about it. I heard the QSC in person & it definitely blew me away.

Yeah when it comes to base/depth,cerwin vega doing it for a long time & for a good price...the QSC has a better warranty...(6+1free year from AMS) = 7years :-) ,cerwin vega is 5years i think,not too bad either.

That's good to know. That $400 price difference is looking really nice though since both are pretty much comparable performance wise

yeah the $400 can buy you an extra zlx 12P to use as a monitor/FOH speaker :-)

just don't play loud with the BASS BOOST flipped on,same with the QSC...you'll go into limit pretty quick...it's only good when playing softer for depth.

I'd probably keep the EVs at level. I'm considering picking up a little multi-channel mixer to serve as a pass through for the speakers for just in case my controller fails. This way if need be, I can either talk over the mic to keep people occupied while the controller is being replaced or switch to a different deck if I'm playing alongside another dj with his own equipment. My boy put me on to the idea. He has a little Behringer mixer that he paid $40 for just for that reason.

check for any sales by guitar center or Sam ash and get a price match from AMS with no tax and free shipping :-) ...got that $1000 PX1800 for $799 cause guitar center had a $200 off if you spend $1000 or more....same with the DDJ-SX fot it for $799...patience pays...

Yamaha has a better small mixer that has adjustable compression on two channels for $99, the MG102C 10 Input Stereo Mixer...i'm thinking about getting it for that same reason.

Good info. I just saw a promotion for 15% off purchases of $295 or more on their website. The sub drops down to $750 as a result. I'm sending the details to AMS now to see if they'll match.

I'm sorry I meant $850

They'll match,yeah try it out...i should warn you though the limit light comes on faster than on the KW181...just something i noticed...but AMS has a 45day return policy,if you aren't satisfied you can return it for the KW181 instead :-)

I'll try to keep the sound at the halfway mark so I don't come close to spiking any of the speakers

yeah at half way it's cool ,if you raise it higher without using somekind of compression,it limits real fast when playing loud...with compression,it handles well...the QSC is better if used without compression.

Good to know. Thanks for the info. Is that what you're getting the Yamaha mixer for?

yup,a little compression will save your speakers

Cool I'll pick one up tomorrow along with a Shure mic. Thanks

Just got the approval for the price match. I'm bout to do some cartwheels now lol

cool they work fast :-) later on,get a Beta 58a capsule for the Sure mic,sounds excellent and doesn't pickup off axis sound thus feedback is cut by almost 60% :-)

You like that over the Shure SM58?

The Bets 58 is an awesome mic.

Ok will have to go give them a listen to decide...If im satisfied ill buy 2 12"to use as tops with my yorkville ls800p....I use my dxr15 by themselves without subs sounds simply amazing...But looking to get 2 dxr12 but if these EV's impress me ill get them...

That should be a good combo. I was using a pair of EV SX200s with a single LS800p - very balanced, good quality sound.

With my new XZa5s I need 2 more Yorkies to keep up with the tops.

Yea...i use my dxr15's with my yorkville's and they sound incredible!!! The ls800p is the real deal as far as subs go...But i think 12" tops will sound even more punchier thats why ill give the ev"s a listen..You cant beat that price if it sounds as good as they say..If not ill get 2 dxr12"s....

Asus I ended up opting for the Behringer XENYX 1202fx mixing board. The Yamaha didn't have any reverb features on it. The Behringer was only $10 more & has an additional 2 input feeds to it.

dude you need to read up on Mics,the SM58 is no match for a Beta 58A,crystal clear,picks up almost no feedback even when 10 to 5ft in front of a speaker...how about that...

you can just switch capsules...you can unscrew the SM58 top and replace it with a Beta58a capsule...without throwing away the bottom transmitter portion :-)

The Yorkie is a beast but boy that 137 lbs breaks ones back...for a one man team like me(Except when we do conventions),the QSC & PX1800 are much lighter and thus a better option at 80-84lbs...the Yorkie Hits about 10% to 15% harder overall though...but the weight isn't worth it for me lol

Well I am novice to this so your input is definitely helping

Asu have you heard both of these subs qsc kw181 and the cerwin vega px1800 if so which one do you recommend?

I plan on getting one of those too(pair) i cant decide though sometimes dont got time to go hear them in person i hope they dont limit fast because i sold my cerwin vega cva 118 which where good.

The KW181 is better overall but the Cerwin Vega is a close second and $400 less...it's 79lbs without the wheels :-) and has a smaller footprint than the old active Cerwin vegas...it's like 15% smaller.

when playing loud i noticed the cerwin vega doesn't like a very hot signal and will start limiting faster than the QSC...however when used with a compressor/limiter,it's fine all night with the right settings.they both come with wheels...

In deep mode,they both sound amazing...but ofcourse when playing loud,don't use deep mode...overall build also goes to the QSC.so there's a tradeoff on build....the Cerwin Vega AMP is 700RMS,2000W dynamic peak.

The QSC AMP is 1000rms but i don't know how much get's to the driver,

....but these two subs are way better/deeper than those cheaper $700 boxes. The Live X sub for example isn't in the same league with these subs.

in deep mode the Cerwin vega will even move when put on one of those nicely polished surfaces lol....i noticed it twice lol...so it needs a nice carpeted or surface where the bottom rubber can grip...yeah it moved like 2 feet and i was like daym!!!....so i moved it to the carpeted side :-)

The only difference is the pickup pattern, which explains why it is more resistant to feedback. The downside of a 58A is that most people have poor mic technique and end up outside of the pick-up pattern 90% of the time.

90% is crazy...i've noticed more like 40%....but i hate feedback and i use nothing but Beta 58a all day long....and it's more than pickup pattern...the beta58a is a Super cardioid Mic with a slightly wider frequency...you can immediately tell a difference when the same person talks or sings through a SM58 and then switches to a BETA 58A,it's music to my ears :-) and it's very convenient in eliminating embarrassing feedback...

My buddy with just the SM58 was dealing with a lot of feedback issues on the Memorial weekend Convention i talked about earlier...when we used my Beta58a, he noticed the problem was gone and the vocals were much crispier and clear...he bought beta58a cartridges this week :-)

Asu what do you think of that mixing board I opted for instead of the Yamaha we discussed?

hey if it does what you want,then you're good to go :-)

i like the Yamaha due to the ability to add compression right from the mixer....the DDJ SX has enough effects for me :-) that's why i'm sticking to the Yamaha mixer...they actually have a more expensive one with a tons of effects but it costs way more.

Both have phantom power on the mic lines in case you ever get someone using a Sure Beta 87a or that type of mic that needs it...

has anyone compared the ZLX 12 and the ZLX 12P?

what kind of pricing are you guys getting on the 12p & 15p?

12p $335, i'm sure it will get cheaper as time passes

ok. I just got a good price for the 15P too.

well i believe the drivers are the same...DSP on the powered version will shape the sound a little differently i believe...I'd recommend using a Drive rack PX...as these will limit fast at 124-125db and go into protection mode...

Just got my ZLX15P :)

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Been using Bose L1 Model II and L1 Compact since they came out.
This will be my first set coming back to a "standard" style speakers.

nice!

My partner bought 2 of the powered 12 z's at GC, our discount was $315/ea. They're not better than K12's but to each their own. I will say that at this price point I will not buy QSC for awhile. These EV's are really good tops.

Anyone have the Yamaha DSR112? Those look pretty good at a decent price point!

what do you mean by better Austin? i tested both and sonically the EV wins hands down...max db/warranty goes to the K12...for a guy like me who uses subs...i get more out of the EV after engaging the filter :-) the EV is plug in and go...the K12 is plug in,EQ and go...without an EQ,the K12 is horrible when playing loud IMHO....the ZLX DSP also helps you tame the HF or LF and that is very very helpful...

used them again this weekend :-) a lady friend of mine complemented on how beautiful they looked lol....didn't think she cared for speakers,i may yet have a chance brothers lol

i bought a pair, and the only thing i notice is that the plastic is not very dense. cant compare to qscs with wood, but i still really like them.

wow really? i think that's the standard for that kind of material even with other speakers...just get bags guys...as i noticed your other gear will scratch them quickly

i'm looking to dump so jbl eon 515xt's. how would you say the zlx 12 or 15 stacks up to that?

i really, really, really want some zxa5's. but the price tho.

its not the scratching, its the response that you get from different materials. Thicker, dense wood generally is going to sound better, than less dense plastic. of course, some plastics are very dense and/or thick, its just this plastic seems to be where they shaved a corner to cut the cost.

My boy & I went to Guitar Center about 2 weeks ago to listen to some speakers and were originally in favor of the JBLs as we were deciding between them and some Alto speakers. Something told me to ask if they had the EVs in stock available for listening. He brought out the ZLX-12Ps to let us hear and let me tell you, the clarity was phenomenal. And this was before we even added audio from a sub!!! Once the sub was added, the EVs stood out even more as the JBLs sounded a lil muffled since it was still kicking out bass that wasn't necessary. That sold us right there. We didn't even bother to hear the 15s. I ordered mine the following week and just received them this past Monday. I'm pairing mine with a Cerwin Vega P1800SX sub.

Yeah Nyce, we phased out our eon's a while ago for travel and installed them in a small venue as a rental. Overall, these ZLX EV tops outperform the eons. You will not be disappointed.

Asu, Like I said, to each their own. In my opinion my K12's sound better than the zlx12's without a sub. What settings do you have yours set to?

The JBL's can be set to monitor to kill the low end when adding a sub just FYI. Maybe thats why it sounded muffled when you tested them out.

Nyce,when it come to HF side of things,my experience is, it's pretty hard to beat EV when talking about DJ Speakers...the eons alo have a 1" inch HF driver so the EV at 1.5" will sound much clearer....try the EV,if not impressed go for the DXR 12.

Austin,i set the filter at 100Hz for the tops...roll off -5db on the base & +2 db on the treble...then control the rest on the DDJ-SX...the Sub(s) take care of the low end...plus the tops go louder this way...working great so far :-) ...gonna add a driverack PX to protect the powered amps from over load on my end...sometimes we get too excited and push powered tops too much...you don't want it to go into protection mode over and over,that's an amp killer.

Meanwhile QSC just released the most amazing Amps called PLD (for portable Live sound) with a cool high res screen/ DSP/built in EQ/Compression/limiters/4 channel output/ability to reroute power to different channels/20 presets/50 customizable presets and more,now they have me thinking about buying a pair of passive ZLX backed by a QSC PLD Series amp,theoretically this would be my perfect setup,the thing i don't like about powered is running two lines,power outlets limit you too & speaker placement. drooling yet again

Yeah... QSC seems to be making a big splash with these amps. If they have the output, performance and sound quality equal to or better than their PL3-series line, they'll make a killing. Anything less, and I think folks will stay with their current solutions.

I currently own both EV-zxa5's and QSC k12's and have torture tested them under the most extreme circumstances on many occasions with no EQ and pushed to their max. I have yet to experience any of the claims you are making in regards to the qsc k12 while the speaker was utilize within the limits it was designed. This leads me to believe there is a flaw in your assessment and or tests.

I think they sound great at moderate levels.

I just bought a pair of ELX112p just recently for 1000. Now after read this forum, I am beginning to wonder if that was the right move. I think I still have time to exchange them but comparing the two ELX or ZLX is there any advantage as far as sound with the ELX? Also, ne reviews on the ELX118p?

the elx is in a wood box, witch make for a warmer sound speaker

i'd exchange for the ZLX because you can shape the sound more accurately using the dsp on the back.as for the ELX118p,it's not my kind of sub...it's not deep enough/too boomy...if you want light subs (79-86lbs) but deep go with the QSCKW181,Cerwin Vega PX1800 or PRX618S-XLF

Just my 2 cents.

Probably worth the extra 200, IMO

I am thinking of getting 2 zlx and keep the elx as well. The guy gave me 2 gator bags with wheels, wires and stands for the elx. It was a great deal cudnt refuse and I have to return the gear unused, the tires in the bags are dirty. Too late. What u guyz think of 2 elx and 2 zlx? The ELX do sound great but needs an eq for sure. Also as far as the 118p is it deep or punchy? I am an Indian Dj and our music is more like a mixer of rock and house. It's punchy with tons of lyrics, n nothing beats EV in the voice quality. I wud get the kw but it's out of my price range to be honest. I might go hear the cerwin vega.

Yeah the Cerwin Vega is more affordble and quite deep...the 118p doesn't have the right base for me...

Just did my first gig with the ELX. I was definitely easily hitting the limit. A woofer is needed for sure.

you mean a Subwoofer? ...

it's good to have at least one if doing more than 50 pple...otherwise you'll push the tops too hard,they'll limit and at some point go into protection mode (Shut off!!) ...do this a couple of times and the amp will eventually die...this is where I prefer the zlx as you can customise the sound better,cut out some base too or use the HPF if you have a sub

I got my 15Ps for $440 each

Well I sold my PRX12's and was going to get some ELX15P's but after reading tons of reviews i'm not sold on them. They seem like nice speakers at a great price but I have a few issues with them:

-cabinets are not wood
-the scratch easily
-they limit quickly

I'm leaning towards the PRX615M's or the QSC k12's.

P.S. I was offered the EXL15P's for about $375 each.

I meant I was offered the ZLX15P's for $375 each.

don't count it out man, i've been using the elx115p since they came out it really was a good sounding box for the money

if the zlx sound anything like it, it will be a great box for the money, you have nothing to lose if you buy a good amount of gear from pas, they will take it back & give you a full credit for something else

they scratch..thats what bags are for
they limit easy....maybe noobs where using them
not wood......i have nothing for that one........lol

o another note, i am a ev guy but i just had a chance to play with this speaker at home it sounded awesome, i can imagine the 12 & 15----> www.rcf.it

i liked the sound much better than the k12 or elx

Did my second gig with the ELX. This time it was at Encore. I used my Cerein Vega VIS 153 with the ELX. The elx kept up with my plx3002 amp. My amp limited a couple of times but the speakers not once. At high volumes I have heard k12's highs break but not with the elx. Smooth from the point go. And once I get a sub woofer or two, it will give me a chance to cut the lows on the elx making it louder. And at 35 pounds, loved it. I need another pair though, so I am debating the zlx and a subwoofer. Id definitely recommend ELX speakers. Zlx still to try.

i love my EX ZLX 15p with jbl PRX518 subwoofer

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They look great. i decided to pass on them and purchased a pair of PRX615M's. Maybe one day as a back up pair.

My PRX615M's are the fav tops I've owned and used ^ but I do wish they had the controls that the zlx's have... Nice pics ernie

I agree about the controls, but the sound is great. Worth the extra money.

If i have the money i will buy the JBL PRX.. but i had the chance to hear the demo of ZLX at my local GC.. and saw the price bought it right away and tested it on my big event. and for the price you will never get wrong..

used my pair for the first time yesterday and i was pretty impressed with them, esp with the dual inputs for mic,(the mic supplied was xlr, i have 1/4'' inch), they do scratch easily. but over all the sound was pretty amazing. you can get some bass buzzes that are due to less dense casing, but im sold. now if they last more than 3 years will be the real test.

Wow, red flag. Where did you hear a ZLX unit with bass buzzing?

well, it was at low levels, but i was playing lounge music and the acoustic bass made the cab do a little buzz. i dont think it would happen with a better quality cab or at least with a bit more musicality. it was the frequency and wasnt terrible, but i wasnt cranked up at full level. doubt it would happen with compressed dance music. RZA's production on tears used to do that with my home speakers.

I think gaffle is trying to let you know,you may have a defective unit/front LED wiring issue buzzin around....mine are fine and no buzzing at all with FLAC files or compressed music when DJing...make sure you really examine that.

Otherwise i use some compression when playing as they limit easily if you push too much sound into them but there shouldn't be any buzzing,possible at max volume with a heavy guitar note but low volume??? shouldn't happen.

I have four of ZLX 15p. they are definitely worth the price. I wouldn't use them for my main dance floor but if you are djing for a bigger room, these help fill up the room with the sound.

I use RCF ART 722A series for my dance floors but these are perfect for everything else and they are so cheap on top.

im confused, do you use 4 x ZLX 15p plus the 2 x RCF ART 722A at the same gig ?
and if so, how do you set them up and how many people = a big room ?


why , What are they lacking that the RCF ART 722A provides ?

How many ZLX 15p = 1 RCF ART 722A ?

The RCFs sound better. I took a listen to the EVs recently. They are great for the price but not amazing.

People toss that word (amazing) around to describe anything. I just came from an Alaskan cruise and saw bald eagles, 1000+ foot mountains and active glaciers... THAT's amazing.

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Watchwww.youtube.com <--amazing

I used the word amazing because people are commenting like these speakers are the greatest thing since sliced bread.

And I concur on the Alaskan sites you saw... Amazing.

After reading all the reviews I came to the conclusion that these are very good entry level speakers, back up speakers and first time speaker owners who are starting out.

Not amazing.

Exactly. New EV quality speakers with DSP for the price I paid for 12 year old SX200s and an amp. Better sounding than most entry level speakers, not as good as the higher quality speakers from QSC, RCF, and EV itself. Great deal for what they are.
I plan to pick up a pair (along with a small sub or two) to use as monitors, sound fill, secondary PA for Wedding Ceremony's, Speaking engagements, etc...
I have ZXa5s for the big sound.

lol you crazy man...lol

The ZLX are the best at their price point + sound best in that feild & more...they limit quick at full range...when used with the built in crossover+subs,you get more out of them...that's how i use them :-)

It's not even fair to bring up the $1700 RCF ART 722A.

At those price points i'd go with an Active line array system

They have to be better than my first gen JBL Eons... I think it's time for an upgrade.

Bro these are way Clearer than even the current JBL Eons :-)

1st gen jbl eons are the worst ever.

back to the zlx, ive been using them for chill fashion gigs and they are sounding good. when i do little receptions i can barely turn them up, ive even be going -2 to -4 with my mixer no where near turned up(a z2 with master at 10 oclock). i would like to use them for 2-4 hours cranked and see if they can take a pounding. the presets eqs are cool too, club has a nice bass boost, but ive been keeping them on music.

at this price point, they are pretty amazing.

I use the live setting and i have to say for the price point, sound/quality you get is amazing...i'm still very happy...with my purchase...i'd recommend a Drive rack PX as many are going to over drive them looking for that 130db+ which these don't have...it's a realistic 124-125db max but i'm happy with them.

Why the zlx15p instead of the zlx12p with a sub?

i so wish my professional expectations were not so HIGH that i could get away with cheap speakers!!!!!

but i cant.......

Same here... except for my Karaoke setup; I use the RCF312A's for those events.

Looks like these ZLX's have set the new standard on PA cost-to-performance ratio. Whether that standard has been lowered, in the grand scheme of DJ sound reenforcement, is up in the air...

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paying $100 more for the 15's will give you more bass.. i use my jbl prx sub together with zlx15 for larger venue.. but for medium gigs i don't bring it.. i love this speakers the sounds bass punch.. and the price.. i'm also thinking of buying the 12's so cheap $399 only

the only negative experience for me with this speakers is one of the master knob fell off it's too loose.. while playing on my gigs the master knob fell too much bass lol.. and i need to put something inside the knob like piece of tape to make it snug fit.. but it's not a big deal..

I'm still curious how these measure up in a gig situation with a sub compared to yamaha or qsc.

The Qsc K12/KW and Yamaha DXR go louder at 131db vs 126 for the zlx but using high pass filter with a sub will make them perform better overall :-) if you push them too hard into full limit,they will go into protection mode in 30mins....occasional limit light is ok though...i'd recommend a drive rack PX or a little compression...if you continuously play really loud...get something else i say...if not,then the ZLX are fine...or buy the passive ones + one of the New QSC PLD 4.2 Four-Channel Power Amplifier with built in EQs,Limiters,Preset wizard,400x240 TFT color display,Time Alignment Delay + more :-)

if you're continuously pushing them into their limits, then you didn't bring enough speakers.

True but this is a common practice of DJs not properly trained in sound. So in a sence its normal.

The fact that it shuts down when overdriven may appear as a flaw the the nood user as compared to the qsc k12 which can withstand enormous amounts of abuse an keep playing.

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Her hair weighs more than she does.

She looks like a Holocaust victim.

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Is it just me, I don't get the point of the picture ...???

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Oh ok, it was word play on my typo.

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Like I said the Qsc & Yamaha are up there 131/132 db...a good speaker will shut down to protect its self whether qsc,Yamaha or EV,but the zlx is a realistic 125db

Today I ordered a ZX-A1 sub for my studio. Will get a second after paying off this one. Studio, small gigs, speaking gigs will be what these will be used for. Just installed a set of Kicker outdoor speakers on the pool deck. Ran a third cable through the roof to a banana plug outlet for a sub so I can add more bass by the pool as needed.

i have a pair of zxa1 subs i use for weddings. Well worth the money at the weight. My first go around with this sub i was un impressed, but i had to re visit using them and i'm truly happy with their performance.

so i saw this ZLX-12P being sold for $399 still... but then there is ALTO TS112W for the same price... would any of you guys care to comment/recommend? not sure if they are even comparable.

zxl12p can be found for $335 shipped

Which store or site?

Anyone compare them to the ELXs?

Most of the people in this thread have never even used the ZLX speakers, yet feel qualified to give an opinion....LOL.

I have owned K12s for 3 years and like them all the way up to 60 or 70%. At that point, they start to sound shrill and just scream every mid and high note.

In a setting where you dont have a sub....I can see why some might prefer the K12 - as they are punchier. But if you add (or two), the ZLX-15P sound MUCH better than my K12s. Smooth, even and better room coverage.

The fact that they are literally half the price seals the deal for me. K12s are getting sold

In regards to the qsc k12 vs zlx, Are you qualified to tell us which has the highest dependability and reliability under the most stressful conditions ?

why dont people run processioning with their rigs ?????? blows my mind ....

NM NH

Pdidy

Are you prepared to tell us the reliability on a speaker you have never used?

I own both. Do you?

gets popcorn !!!

NM NH

Well you would be wrong in the assumption that I have not used both speakers. But that has nothing to do with the question asked. Would you care to answer ?

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Im looking through the net for reviews on the EVs....not finding anything negative. Im dying to see how this convo pans out because if the EVs are a legit competitor to the QSCs I may have to grab a pair asap

you won't find much negative about ev, they make a great sounding box in all price ranges, thats why i'm a fan of ev, i use elx,zx & i'm thinking about getting the zlx, but i don't really need it

Well, the ZLX series has only been available for a few months.....so reliability is TBD. But based on the 80 year track record of EV - I am not worried about it (and I have a back up system with me at all times)

As for pushing both pairs for extended periods of time - I have found that the ZLX has a richer, fuller sound than my K12s - so I frankly dont need to push them as hard. I have had my QSCs shut down on a few occasions, hasnt happened yet with the ZLX.

I think heads up - the K12s are louder and have more punch. But they are harsh as hell at higher volumes (the K10s are actual much more accurate) and so in the end, not sure what you gain.

Beating the brains out of your crowd with more sound that hurts their ears is not quality sound management. I would rather give them slightly less SPLs - with smoother, more pleasing sound. And at HALF THE PRICE....not even sure why we are comparing the two.

this wright here is what i'm talking about

Good points.

I'm still curious as to how they compare against the ELX line. Not sure if EV will be able to sell a more expensive box that perhaps only sounds marginally better for more money.

"From what I've read" the ELX are louder, but then the review above states the K12's are also but not pleasing at that louder volume.

P --- what's your take on these speakers vs. the K12's?

I'm at work an don't have the time to properly respond to Groove Factor.....

But to my surprise the ev's do sound great an can be a direct competitor to the k12 at half the price. But there's more to this.....

Hummmmmm... Cheaper, better sounding, EV... Have not had a chance to hear this joints but interested

+1

I was also pleasantly surprised when I heard them, good sound for the money. I will probably pick up a pair to go along with the ZXa-1 sub I just bought for smaller gigs, replacing my old but reliable SX200s. I use the ZXa5s and Yorkville LS800ps for the bigger gigs

im setting up a speaker battle as we speak .......zlx 15 vs qsc k12 .....
please stand by......lol

Would it be better if you compared the ZLX12p to the k12? Not really fair to compare a 12" to a 15". You will obviously get a fuller sound with the 15"

Based on comments and reviews, the ZLX series are great for small-medium venues that dont require massive SPL. Since EV is a well respected company in the audio world, these will perform great for backyard parties, small weddings, etc. Add a subwoofer to the mix and it will definitely work in larger venues. If your gigs require more SPL, i would opt for the Live X or another brand. DJs who are looking for the best bang for your buck type speaker, this is it.

No more Mackie Thumps, Harbinger, Behringer, American Audio, Eons, etc...

pdidy bought some new speaker!!!! that man it the definition of a gear whore.......lol

when talking about the zlx12p vs qsc k12, i think the qsc wins but the zlx15p vs qsc k12 is another story, standing buy

The k12 would easily out preform the Ev zlx 12......therefore the zlx 15 vs qsc k12 is the next best battle considering its twice the price. It should be an unfair battle but we will see.

Is this a live video feed?

what will be the music of choice to test?

NM NH

shhhhhhh********** let the man concentrate so he can here the detail in that ev compression driver

What i discovered as i told you guys somewhere up there...the ZLX is smooth all the way up till it peaks...it's still very clear even at full limit...and by the way the Live X isn't louder,it's the same drivers as the ZLX...but ZLXP have better on board DSP that helps you shape your own sound :-) love that portion....

The K12 will go louder because the amp is more powerful and the HF driver is also louder than the ZLX....plus i believe the K12 is Bi-amped and the ZLX isn't...not sure but seems that way as is isn't mentioned in the Documentation

AS for K12 vs ZLX15P" my money is on the 15 for clarity and depth :-)

Id say its fair to compare since the 15 is half the price

I figured while im here I mite as well compare the ev zlx15 vs yamaha dxr15 vs jbl prx615
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ahhhh, very interesting sir, what's taking so long, the stores about to close........lol

I own those PRX615M's and they are serious. No issues with heat.

I should be setup in bout an hour.....

Yep and they easily out preformed the others mentioned....

man i been up since 4:30 am eastern time, i'll be sleeping in a hour........you take to long.....LOL........

hey I didnt plan this , it kinda just happened....lol

I'm waiting for the test results ... I have money to burn and gear is what I love to burn it on...

NM HM

That's funny bro lol

at least it's the one thing you burn your money on that makes you money back

Yep..... I hate to sale my gear too... I get emotionally attached!!!

NM NH

Well the ev's are unpacked and ready to go. Gota test before battle...

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stop lying, you know your just looking for a excuse to buy some more gear........lol



if you buy a pair what would that be? like 24 speakers in your collection?

GEAR WHORE............LOL

aahhhhhh SH!T son, new speakers WORD!!!!!, your gonna piss the neighbors off

LoL... So did you just buy those ZLX's or are you at a store? And if you're at a store... do they give you free reign of all their stuff?

^^ he's home already

BTW ..... I hate to violate my speakers ..... sticking that pole into the speaker holes !!!!

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

NM NH NP

yep you called it......

didnt get to finish and im at my boys crib cause my neighbors dont play that shit....lol

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verdict?

clarity - ev
bass - ev ( the ev is a 15in vs a qsc 12in so its no surprise)
spl - qsc

Due to complaining neighbors I was unable to complete my reliability test but I have an event Saturday that will allow me to torture test them for approximately 7 hours. Im confident the qsc will have no issues, but the ev ?

man .... for the price........ they are looking good .... they are deff a niche cabinet

NM NH

Portability - qsc
mixer section - qsc
DSP control with presets - ev

clarity - ev
bass - ev ( the ev is a 15in vs a qsc 12in so its no surprise)
spl - qsc
Portability - qsc
mixer section - qsc
DSP control with presets - ev
build quality - qsc
bang for buck - ev

I think portability should be excluded in your test since they are two different size cabinets ;)

so in the areas that matter the most ,EV ZLX wins :-)

^^i called it hear too, you just don't want to admit it...........lol

good quick review, now go buy some zlx12p's so you can let us know what they sound like, you know you want to, your not always going to need the 15 & them k12 can get harsh, YOU KNOW YOU WANT TO BUY THE 12'S.........lol

You forgot...

Warranty - QSC

Thank you, how did I forget that.....

clarity - ev
bass - ev ( the ev is a 15in vs a qsc 12in so its no surprise)
spl - qsc
Portability - qsc
mixer section - qsc
DSP control with presets - ev
build quality - qsc
bang for buck - ev
Warranty - QSC

Naa..... Im truly a reformed gear whore. These ev-zlx15s will go to one of my dj partners right after the torture test sat (if i dont blow them) ;). And I have no need or interest in the EV ZLX 12.

^^ my brother, it's never about what we need & always about the next new toy that we want...lol

reformed my @ss, your avatar has 12 yorkviles speakers you have 4 vrx's 2 zxa5 2 k12's, thats 20 speakers that i know about, i know you have more

wait i see two poles that's 14 yorks and i forgot the zlx15p,that 24 spreakers

and who know how many aren't in the picture.........lol

^^ i'm hatin hardddddd.........lol

nm nh^^

Trust me I've changed, thats why I dont own a pioneer ddj-sx rite now.....lol But I wont lie, the pressures getting to me.


the center york sub was just a demo 21in powered version which i never purchased...;)

you use the vci 300 wright? don't sweat the ddj sx, i had it for a few day the plater feel is just not wright for me, you will be much happier with a vci 380

now the sx has alot of cool features, don't get me wrong

but coming form turntable than switching to cdj's & back to turntables with serato, the jog on the vci has a better feel, it does what you want it to do, vs the ddj sx maybe speeding up a little when you let it go cause the jog is so lose, you can lose a mix easy

Yorks are the way to go unless you want to move on up to high high end stuff...

Holy shit are f*uckin psychic !
I demoed the ddjsx for a few hours and the only problem with it is i hated the platters because they are tooo loose. Im a scratch dj and i scratch "heavy handed" (im sure u understand that) and fast so i need a lil tension in the jog wheels like the vci300 380 can do....so i do not push off too fast. I dont want the 380 because its not "designed" for sdj
I figured I could Learn to like them and scratch "lite handed" but I dont want too.


Back on topic:


Hey, not too fast buddy, there is ONE, and only one thing more important than these features "areas that matter" and that is.........RELIABILITY. A great sounding speaker means nothing if its not reliable.

The cost of the ev makes me seriously question is long term reliability, but i intend on putting this issue to a test.

i use the vci with serato dj, i like it, you wanna know how much i like it? i'm done carrying turntables and a 62 ,thats how much!!!!!!!!!!!

I love my Vci but when it's time to preform for real real .....hell naa.......

^^ no need for me to preform at a wedding, just entertain the guest, vci all day baby!!!! got to love them wedding rates quote big pun " YEEEEAH BABY"

Good luck blowing them up. they will go into protection mode after they sense your ill will/desire to destroy them lol...i pushed them(ZLX12P) to the limit & they were in full limit for about 30mins or so then shut off :-)

ok wait a minute your saying the clip light was on for 30min before they shut down, so you mean a noob ca abuse the for half an hour before the go into protect?

i got to say dammmmmm that a good speaker, but i don't know about that i use the elx and theres no way you can clip them for 30min

Yeah they clipped for quite sometime but stayed clear that's what blew me away...that's when i decided to keep them...

i should add that i had rolled off the base quite abit so that helped them stay clear i think at such a high spl :-) the Value/Quality vs money i payed is mind blowing.

the most i will pay for them is 399.00 for the 15inch active cabinet

NM NH

just got these speakers, thanks for your info on this guys

I tested the ev-zlx15s again Sat outside in a park for 8 hours and there were no issues used only for side fill duty. But to be honest I was very very easy on them as I really dont trust them yet and I didnt want to blow them. They were only pushed to the point of the limit light blinking, never solid or clipping. So I basically beat the shit out of the yorkville nx750s to compensate for the lack of output on the ev-zlx15. The k12s were needed for a different gig that day......
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^^ how dare you have those speakers on top of the vrx's,where were the x5's, you lose cool point with me for that one........lol

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those zlx's actually look good with the vrx's

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How did they sound & would you recommend them?

@DJ Val-BKNY11203

Im quite confident that they sound good even to more experience users up to their intended design limits.

Well technically I cant recommend them yet because their dependability has not yet been proven to my satisfaction. Dependability aside, Yes I would recommend them for dj's who don't require High output (wedding dj's, baby shower's) or dj's on a low budget.

Are these speakers right for "me" personally, No because I will need to carry more speaker cabinets in order to achieve MY desired spl (volume) levels.

I agree but I don't trust other djs with my zxa5s.......I wanted to enjoy my day and leave the set to socialize a lil bit without babysitting all day. The yorkville nx750 is a true workhorse and will take any abuse you throw at them all day long an never blow or shut down. Same applies to the qsc k12s.

came across the thread, seem like there not ev's quality, but what would we expect out f a box that you can buy for $335 out the door shipped i guess--------> forums.prosoundweb.com

You get what you pay for...

And I'm not complaining ;)

Why do people insist on comparing 12" speakers to 15" speakers?

ZLX-12p would be a more accurate comparison...

I dont think comparing a $849 to a $399 speaker is more accurate

Thanks for being an honest voice of reason.

i think ev hit there mark with this speaker, i good sounding box for dj's/musician's that don't have a lot of money to spend, but still want decent sound

for the money that they cost can you really go wrong buying a pair, my lowest price was $670 shipped for two, i'm sure they can be found cheaper

I wonder if the bar will be lowered more and we'll eventually see $99 powered 15's that weigh 19 lbs.

From reading the PSW Forum Post, I would suggest everyone who owns these check all of the screws to make sure they are tightened properly.

of course it is - they are the same type of speaker and you can compare to see if the QSC really is $450 more of a speaker than the EV is.

I think that the K12 is a pretty decent speaker but never felt that it was worth the price. I think it should be closer in price to the ZLX12. I think you are paying for the warranty with the QSC's.

lol

I always thought it was understood thats what your paying for

Just picked up a set of EV ZLx 12p having a monsterous passive system as my main I needed something small for events uner 200 people .. I own a set of original Srm 450's that I used in the past for those type of events but always felt that while they were loud they werent very Eargasmic for lack of better words.. so after reading tons of reviews and working a very good deal with a well known DJ store i decided to pick these up ..
Im in the business 20+ years and I have to say EV hit the mark with these .. I was very impressed with the overall quality of build and components .hooked 1 ZLX up and 1 SRM did the A/B thing and at first hought the SRM was clearly louder till I noticed that while both speakers were set to 12 oclock the on the line in the EV has an overall output adjust . raising that to +2 on the gain really opened these speakers up .. UNreal the louder you push these the better they sound .IM sold i also bought 1 EV ELX 118p and paired with that you have a THUMPING CLEAR CRISP MOBILE system that you can fit in nearly any suv or larger sized car These speakers are very pleasing to the ear they need lil to NO EQing

For 904.00 tax and shipping included I got 2 EV Zlx 12p with covers (also EV) and a Cover for the Elx 118p thats pretty damn cheap for a Quality product .. you will not appreciate these speakers till you have them in front of you and get to hear them

^i'm a big ev fan & my opinion is a little different, i use and own/owned zxa5/zxa1/sxa250/sxa100/zx1/sb122/zx4/elx118p/elx115p/elx112p/sx300

can you see the pattern ev is my favorite speaker

while not a bad sounding box, i was underwhelmed with the sound, now if all you can afford is $335 for a top box than theres NOT a better speaker on the market right now than the ZLX12P hands down your best choice

but if you can afford to spend $100 more than the elx line is a better choice, much better sounding box, i think the only reason it sound better is it's in a wood box

I have heard the Elx line and i agree they sound really good the zxa and sx line are also great but cost a lot more ..like i said I have been in this game 20+ years and have learned quite a bit ..One of those being Know when and where to invest your money to get the biggest bang for your buck.. if your in the market for a 12" powered speaker you are obviously going to use them @ smaller events which in turn usually means Smaller payout.
a mobile 1 man job using a system such as 2 12" active tops and an Active bottom I generally charge $1000 .. while my other Mobile gigs with a full Passive system lighting and video production start @ $1500 and go up as high $7000 that being said why spend the extra money on speakers that will not make you back a huge return . @$350 a speaker there almost toss aways if a component blows out .. where as if you spent
$699 and up on the competitions speakers you would definitely send it out for repairs i.e. a woofer or diaphragm ( which are no big deal to do yourself ) but if the amp or crossover or any dsp should fail you would be tied up weeks with factory service .. with these buy another .. For the price they r really a no brainer . And I am by no means a fan of active systems!!
Nothing beats a passive system with someone who knows how to use it . i run a 3 way system with qsc 3.8x on mids and highs and a Qsc 6.0ll on the bottoms ..So naturally when i work with an active system Im generally disappointed with the lack of overhead on the gain . this is just my opinion and like assholes we all have 1 .

^ agreed, as i said best speaker in it's price point zlx all day!!!!!!!!

@dj rosario


pictures please....thank you

listen here.... 7000 per gig ...... ???????

Come on on .......... you must be bringing heat OR your a heck of a salesman...

NM NH

Jeez! Your bottom gigs are a grand? I don't think I've ever made a grand on any gig (but close). What's your website? I need to be using your business template as an example for myself.

(nm)

if thats his gear in his sig......it makes sense.

Im not sure if self promotion is frowned upon on this forum ..which i was not but it seems some of you would like know my website ...FunKtion67djs.com but your better off looking on my facebook page as i update that regularly Website is outdated ...FB FunKtion 67 Dj Entertainment

New York City from what i read a while back is 65% higher in cost than any other state in the US when it comes to Weddings and Entertainment

Diddy that was actually one my partners wedding so naturally we brought out all the stops Line array sound system 24 moving heads over 60 led washes throughout the room and 6 plasmaTV's

yea yea, what eva....lol

with all that stuff dont tell me you dont have alot of pictures detailing it. post up !

also any advice i can give to new DJs or people starting up their own company ..feel free to ask Im not one of those nose in the air DJS who think im the shit and wouldnt help anyone ... i would appreciate any one who checks the facebook page to give us a "like"

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thats a link to a video from the party in my profile picture Sugar Hill Gang performed @ the wedding

It's crazy to me how people are always trying to call each other out on these forums.

I agree there are some people out there that are making bank - if you don't think so you should go to the Mobile Beat convention in Vegas in Feb. One presenter I saw does only Bar Mitzvahs starting at $3k - and he's booked three years out. His bigger shows are more like a circus though - dancers, magicians, etc... Another guy down here in FL is doing Proms for $3k and up, big shows with lots of truss & lighting. Most markets are not supporting every gig $1000+ though, there are too many IPod DJs and $200 Craigslist DJs to compete with. People see those guys and think you charge way too much - they don't realize why until it's too late, usually.
I did a $1200 Wedding last week, good money but the gig was worth that for the amount of work that went into it. I would say most of my gigs run in the $600-800 range. I might pick up a cheaper gig once in a while if I don't have anything going on and I donate my services a couple of times a year but I generally limit myself to decent paying gigs, mostly. I no longer have to rely on DJing to support myself, only supplement my income, so I can be a little more choosy.

i dont think anyone was calling him out. now in regards to me, its no secret im a gear whore so yes.....show me the pics

diddy.... is it diddy these days or puffy or ..anyway i dont need to prove myself to anyone on any forum on any topic... we are a DJ entertainment company who also does Production work during the week and for special events.. I was only trying to impart 20 + years of knowledge on a topic of a Low cost Quality speaker and how you can optimize your bang for buck ...

and as far putting pictures up i gave you a video from my own facebook page . that was from my Iphone ..that I took at his wedding if it will make you feel better i could send it to you whats your # ...are you joking! and that particular party took 3 days to setup which i was not there for all 3 days we had a limited time frame and the last thing we had time for was detailing every lil thing with a picture... But i guess thats what separates Big Dawgs from lil ones... Im more concerned with putting out a great product and having people who are there tell everyone they know about me rather than show pictures on a forum to people in another state .
anyway back to the TOPIC ZLX 112p great buy you wont regret it just understand its capabilities before you buy... this is not a 200+ person event speaker under 200 more 150 person event with a sub and your golden

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NM NH

go on facebook ross pitta its on my page look under videos nothing to hide here

no problems here... just wanted to check it out.

NM NH

dj rosario
You are obviously taking my comments out of context, go back and re-read what i said.
And dont listen to JDforKing comment, he has no clue.

we are djs so many of us here want to see other djs gear.....its just that simple so you can put the defensive shield away. If you knew my history around here you would understand.

There are some top notch mobile guys in NYC doing big parties. I know a guy that quit his job and invested a boat load of money into a mobile company. He is doing great. Big weddings. The money is out there, It's all how you present your self. Most of my business is cooperate parties but I would like to venture into sweet sixteens and larger weddings.

I recently did a smaller high end wedding in NYC and the money was great. Work was very easy. My kind of party.

I'm not sure what or who you're referring to. I'm trying to learn from this dude and see how I can get into the 4-figure-a-gig market. I have a full-time career away from DJ'ing but I'd love to be able to land 1 or 2 heavy hitting gigs a month.

(nm)

That didn't work for me. I swear, FB's name search sucks!

I found you under Funktion 67... and the rest appeared. LIKED

(nm)

Just browsing your FB page, TONS of wedding pics...

NOT

enough

GEAR

pics!

We wants to see trusses, moving heads, uplights, amp racks, speakers... come'on man!

:-)

(nm)

Oops... I take that back. Gotta go to the albums to see gear specific photos.

(nm)

Questions... PM sent.

diddy no problem. thats the NEw Yorker in me ..as soon as i get a chance ill throw some pics up for you guys maybe we should do this in another thread ..Like " OUR GEAR " so people dont come on this thread thinking we are all EGO maniacs throwing our pics around

*New

Cool post it here serato.com
By the way I'm from brooklyn.....;)

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heres some stuff i rarely take pics of the equipment by itself i Always take pictures of the final product ..and theres also some funny shit in there a radio i made for use in the box truck and one of some dudes car that is pretty sick

I will re post it in the setup thread so not to go off topic here.

pdidy getting toooooo excited with dj gears ;)

I no u not talkin.....lol

Let me tell you all something ...IM INCREDIBLY IMPRESSED BY THIS SPEAKER ..
its raining in NY today so what else to do but open a console and mix for a few hours.. I recently repaired a problem with an older SRM 450 ( loose wire from power supply to the board , it was causing my woofer to sound blown out when i knew for a fact it was not ..tightened the bolt that the wire was connected to and walaaaa.) so i wanted to put that speaker through the paces to make sure it was road ready ...after about a half hour my ears hurt.. literally . so standing next to the mackie was a shiny new zlx 12p so i swap the wires onto the EV and continued to play for another 2 hours !!! and DAMN IM IMPRESSED..
the srm is a louder cabinet but a truly annoying louder ..I dont want that .. The EV is a lil treble happy but not in an irritating way .. so i cut back on the treble from the DSP and i will be honest these speakers sound best WIDE OPEN i had the limit light on and the sound was crystal clear ..

Im telling you buy a set you will not be disappointed if you know anything about sound quality

i just got one myself. I must say it sounds great. Definitely limits fast, but what can you really ask of a $280 (i got mine scratch and dent from american musical supply) speaker. My little zxa1 has more spl but it was more expensive. I'm thinking ev put these speakers out to test their new dsp. Mayeb next year that same dsp will be used in their more expensive speakers like a re-release of the zxa5. (just a thought). Overall i must say the zlx12p is a very good speaker for the price.

Ordered a pair of the 15s Tuesday afternoon. I have to pick them up from UPS tomorrow morning and I'll be testing them over the weekend.

i use these for fashion market in my city and play to small crowds20-40, still leave them on -4-8 db all the time. still digging mine

what's the max spl of these things?

126db

which means it probably really like 120db

Which Is Very Low.

I decided to keep mine due to the clarity even when at max with the limit light on :-) i hope they use this DSP for the next ZXa speakers

my opinion on this speaker has changed--> serato.com

FYI... I did 4 jobs so far with 2 Zlx 12's and 1 Elx 118p sounds great .. the limit light comes on prematurely on the tops but even with the lights on they never compressed and never sounded distorted.

So how much SPL are you not achieving with the ZLX's due to their premature limiting? Yes, you saved a ton due to their low price but a more capable speaker(s) at your event would get louder and probably sound better doing it.

Heres what i think.... the limiter "Light" is coming on telling me im nearing the limit.... but in all actuality they never compressed and never got distorted ..they sound better as they get louder .. In a real world comparison i would say they are not as LOUD as the Mackie SRM 450's .. Slightly lower in SPL but they sound much better plug and play without any EQing .. They were not taxing on your ears like the SRM's this is just my opinion.

ZLX sounds perfect even with the limit light on...id say it peaks out at abt 124-125db....if EV can release a version II with say a 1200(1000w for lows +200w for HF)watt amp,these would def be perfect/good for 130db....i think the limiting factor is the 1000w amp vs the driver sensitivity which obviously need more juice...

I've been using my k10 as a monitor. How would one ZL12P compare? Honest opinions please. We have a 15" zlxp installed at one spot for a monitor and I'm not to impressed. We also use the zlx's for a house install, 7 total, and two 18" ev subs. That system kicks hard..... Anyway, I feel the zlx's lack punch, I like for my tops to have great low-end (which most qsc have). How would a 12" zlx compare to a k10? Anyone have any actual real experience with the two, used as monitors?

the QSC obviously has a stronger amp/bi amped too,500RMS(1000W peak) LF+ 500RMS (limited to 100RMS,200Wpeak)HF and that's about it....sound quality else goes to the ZLX....if EV can do a second edition,give the HF 250W & LF 1000W,it'll be a killer speaker...for now it limits quick.around 124-125db...

if used by them selves i'd use two K12s vs two 12" ZLXP(ZLX limits quicker but sounds good even then)...however with subs...ZLX is better because of the DSP and better sounding HF end of it.

for monitor duty,i'd still choose the 12ZLXP cause it's cheaper plus monitors don't have to be turned up so loud especially if you have enough of them.

my 2 cents.

if you didn't like the zxl15p as a monitor, i think it's safe to say you will not like the zlx12p as a monitor

one question i have is do you know if the dsp setting in the back of the zlx15p was set to monitor?

I'll have to look at the settings, not sure. My partner installed it and I'm sure he overlooked a few things... To me, the zlx's do not hit AT ALL. Hard to imagine a flip of the switch to 'monitor' will improve much.

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You are using a 15in as a monitor and its not good enough? You must be legally deaf.

There's no way the K10 out performs a 12 ZLXP...when u engage deep more it's the same as maxing out the treble and base on the ZLX....go into the settings and try different things,i've compared a K12 and 12ZLXp,the ZLX sounds better,the K12 goes louder due to a more powerful amp....pricewise you know the answer.

go into the DSP and mess with the settings...my favorite is Club mode and u can go in there and adjust the base and treble...or engage the filters with a sub...

There's a world of difference between the "music", "club", "vocal" and "sub" settings on that speaker.

Or maybe I've used better speakers than you? That couldn't be it. People hear music different bud. For me, I like it loud as f.

IDK, I played with the settings and I promise you my K10 out performs the 12 zlxp (to my standards). The EV ZLX's are clear but very tight - no bass at all.

I'll keep playing with the settings but I'm not seeing any improvement so far...

Sounds like tinnitus to me... lol. I have a lot of friends like that.

How far can you make it on this? Watchwww.youtube.com

Dude stop. You are siting here telling us they a K10 is kicking harder than a zlp12. The 10 has more bass than the 12. And you are not impressed with the zlp15 as a monitor. Just stop already sheesh.

I bet he sat there for 5 minutes waiting for it to start.

k10 $750 zlx12p $399

the zlx12p simply can not be beat for what it cost! msrp $399 you can find it for $320 to $340

and if you add a sub it sounds even better, you can crank it and it stays clear, unlike the qsc that gets harsh

k10 $750 zlx12p $399

the zlx12p simply can not be beat for what it cost! msrp $399 you can find it for $320 to $340

and if you add a sub it sounds even better, you can crank it and it stays clear, unlike the qsc that gets harsh

We were just talking monitor use. He can not convince me a K10 is better than both. Sorry.

^ i ment to quote him not you

You guys are correct. The price is hard to beat. Which is why we install them with subs and make a good profit.. I have a good amount if experience with the 12 and the 15 powered z top.

You guys are wrong in the part you're leaving out- you get what u pay for.

QSC K Series is a much much better top. Period. My 10's may not get much louder than the 12z's. But it puts out better sound and yea, hits harder. The 15 z barely does better than the k10.

I made it up to 10 seconded left in the video. My headphones probably couldn't relay the signal...

Hey guys,

I am planning to buy ZLX112P to use in my flat.I have 2000 euros. Hi Fi at home but after I listened my friends HK audios at home , i figured out that PA systems are way to go. In Europe Hk Audios costs like 800 usd Per speaker.Anyways.

Do you think that it is suitable for home use? I am planning to use them to listen vinyls, watch movies and play computer games.I am planning to use them at low volumes.Since i am a bachelor i really dont care about anything except the clean detailed sound.

I have tinnitus and my ears are really sensitive to High Frequencies.Is anyone here experienced harsh trebles ?

They should be fine and you can use up all that base especially at low volume but for home use they may be a little too big especially if youre getting two....

personally for home use i'd say get some studio type gear i.e monitors & a sub.

Pioneer has 8" Monitors that are quite affordable and sound amazing but also have a small foot print called S-DJ80X and have some good bass....if you need more bass,add a studio sub like KRK 12s.

The S-DJ80X will match well with the KRK12s,they won't out run each other.that's serious sound for home use/Small Studio :-)

you can save on the sub and go for a Velodyne CHT-12 sub unit.this is excellent for gaming and music,goes all the way down to 30Hz,sounds amazing and will have your neighbors complaining :-)

Thanks for the response Asu,

I already have a pretty decent active subwoofer.The thing is i love the sound of horn loaded speakers.I know that klipsch has horn loaded speakers but i just want to put them on the pole and direct myself from higher place , wherever am i sitting.

I just want to limit my listening place by limited 'sweet spot' of the speakers. I just want all the room is sweet spot :D

Are these speakers sounds good at low volumes ?

dont want to limit my listening place*

well then get the EV if that's your choice,they sound amazing and rightly priced :-)

Remember, professional PA is about volume and projection, not sound quality. If this is for your house, I would go with higher quality home speakers or studio monitors which you could couple with a pro sub. For example, my home theatre is all Klipsch - dual 8" woofer towers for front, single 8" towers for rear + mid, center, & sub. If I need more bass, I bring out the EV zxa1 sub. I recently hooked up my ZXa5s & Ls800p sub at the house for a rocker friend. It was insanely loud but not as enjoyable as the Klipsh system, or my Studio monitor/sub system.

This was my thinking too.Studio Monitors are amazing.

8" monitors and a 12" sub would definitely be really loud

VT those monitors peak at 115bd each,the sub can also do 115-116db....that's loud for a regular apartment or house...if you live in a mansion,then maybe u need bigger sound :-)

Guys thank for the opinions.

I am not looking for loudness or anything considered high volume.

I know that in theory it is less detailed but in practical I hear the 3rd imaging and wonderful,detailed,smooth sound. Which are non-existent with my current hifi (1200 usd speakers and 1600 usd amplifier)

I am looking for horn speakers,but only ones that i can afford is klipsch and everybody says high frequencies are really harsh.

I really dont know what to do with it ?

whatever makes you happy man

Hello everyone participants of discussion!
I am Head Master of secondary school in Belarus. So my question is could we use EV ZLX 12" in our school for some seminars, little concert, to music and speech during sport events in and out of the school, open air performance? Or we need to look to another PA?
Thanks a lot for your attention!))

the zlx don't get very loud so if high volumes is what your looking for i would look else ware

they are rated at 126, the rcf at 128 spl. mine seem to get pretty loud, but i never just totally air them out in comparison. more than enough for Vital.

Specs and ratings pretty much means nothin now a days because almost all the manufactures are straight up lying. But what I do know is 2 EV ZLX 15" are about equal to 1 yorkville nx750. i26.photobucket.com And the EV ZLX 15 is a few db's louder than the EV ZLX 12.

i know for a fact that the rcf fd12-a gets louder and has better bass than the ev zlx15p

they are cheap, but they are lite and simple enough for small gigs. prob not gonna be powerful enough for outdoors, but indoor stuff they arent bad.

didy, as i was looking up these speakers, one name, Yamaha, never seems to come up with anyone i know. Have any experience with their powered line like the DXR12?

^ yamaha dxr are good ,they kick qsc k series @ss

Dont get me wrong I really like them, I would just limit them to inside use.


I have experience with the DXR15 and DSR15.

The 1st time I heard the DXR15 I was totally surprised at the great sound quality, I didn't know the dj so I literally snuck and took a pic of the back of the speaker so I could remember what they were....lol Ive dj'ed on the DSR15's and they are just as impressive just louder.

in my opinion the dxr15 is the poor mans zxa5

I chose DXR15 over the DSR115 mostly because of the features. I also don't really need the extra output the DSR115 is capable of for my (mostly) small wedding type applications. I do wish the DXRs had a better finish however. The line-x finish on the DSRs is so much better. They do both sound fantastic. The DSR115 probably gets pretty damn close to what the ZX5A can do, except it has proper limiting, so much less chance of damage.

Al

I chose DXR15 over... just kidding. :-) not sure why my comment posted twice???

DXRs are great. I have the 10s and the pump. Paired with subs, I prefer them to my K12s.

pdidy, so you have used the dsr15? how would you say they measure up when comparing to the zxa5?

output?
bass?
projection?

they are excellent speakers like we've said before.i own a pair and think EV did something genius with the amp and we all wished for more power and got the ETX....i'd go for ETX for school events or the DXR which are excellent with a 7 year warranty but cheaper

ZLX is ok for speech/weddings/monitors....for high volume....get something else...i'm speaking from experience :-)

Mean't the DSP...it's really good and doesn't get harsh or funny even when in full limit...the ETX is the answer to more power/louder

yup...has more power, 3" LF driver and 1.7 HF...i'd expect that :-)

actually the fd12-a has the same size compression drive as the ev

ev zlx15p

1000 W (Class D); 127 dB max SPL; 42 Hz – 20 kHz
15” woofer and 1.5” high-frequency titanium compression driver
38.0 lbs (17.3 kg)

rcf fd12-a

the new 12” woofer is the result of the latest refinement in year of RCF experience in compact 2 way speakers. Features a 2.5 ” voice coil, very high efficiency and controlled bass reproduction. The 1” compression driver uses a new 1.5” voice coil dome design

yeah i think i was talking about RCF HD12-A 1200-Watt Compression Driver: 1", 1.7" voice coil
Woofer: 12", 3" voice coil ...

i was in a lounge and could not push them to max.

Mr Joee and Mr. Goodkat,
thanks a lot for your answers! This is a "big" problem to me to choose something good quality with a small budget -:)
I have one variant PA more here in Belarus: DB technologies Cromo 10+ or Cromo 12+
EV ZLX-12p price is 600 USD and DB Cromo 12+ is 680 USD. Not so cheap isn't it?))
Which one will better or some thing ...?

Thank you, Asu!

Eeesh! Those DB Cromo's are a little hard on the retinas!

Dear DJ GaFFle, what is mean "a little hard on the retinas!"? I don't understand, sorry))

And does anybody know about Yamaha STAGEPAS 400i possibilities for some school events (in and out doors)?
Thank you, professionals!

1200 USD in Belarus, like my all budget ;)

Let me get the SBA 760's you got my favorite sub

i tell you right now, for $499 this speaker is hard to beat
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its a rcf the sister company to db technologies

another shot of them..EV ZLX15 on the subs, yorkville nx750 on poles...i26.photobucket.com

Its means if they were a woman it would look like this....stream1.gifsoup.com

Do you have any experience with the etx? Im still not sure if its worth 2x the price of the dxr.

The ETX uses better drivers than the ZLX and have more power...according to the specs....they have more power than the DXR too...sound wise...EV has never let me down.

Not sure about the 2x value of ETX but read the details of the Drivers (some are from their array sysytems) amp and DSP....it has built in delays that you can set up to several feet,that's a big deal and a pro feature. the flexibility of that DSP is excellent

obviously EV built upon the things we liked & didn't like and made a great excellent all around speaker in the ETX.

DXRs which are excellent speakers as well.

If money is an issue,go for DXR.you won't be disappointed by the DXRs...but ETX will give you way more detailed flexibility.

It's not exactly 2x the price... maybe 1.75x. :-)

I can get a pair of dxr12's for the price of 1 etx12.

They are really great speakers for the price + 7 year warranty (8 years if you buy from AMS.they add an extra year for free)

DXRs don't break up at full limit...which is something i noticed about the ZLX but ofcourse DXRs have more power/higher SPL and bi-amped with an excellent rear mixer section...go for it bro

This guy has been asking and talking about speakers for a while now. He's not getting anything anytime soon. He just enjoys the conversation.

I can't make a decision lol.

you may not need to make a decision if you've gone this long without any and have had no gigs to use them.

I've been renting qsc speakers

ok it makes sense now

yes and no, instead of using your gig money to pay for your own speakers your paying for the rental companies speakers

think bigger picture

this is why Im just going to by a legit setup. I would reccommend to anyone not to by the ZLX but rather start with the ELX series or if you can find some used the SBA series sounded great as well from EV

I wasn't saying I agree with your thinking. I understand the big picture.

wasn't talking about you i was half agreeing with you in understanding why he's taking more than a year to buy speakers

and halfway not understanding why he still hasn't bought a pair yet, it makes no sense to pay for someone else's gear when you could be paying for your own

and you know he can own a pair of DXRs from AMS for $90 a month (12 payments i think),no tax and outright own them when he's done...makes no sense renting in this day and age of stretched out payments

Depends how much you spend and how many times you rent.

This

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whatever you spend on rentals could go towards payment....let me be clear,i think i wasn't before...if you buy a pair from AMS...you pay the first payment say $120 that includes some fees and the speakers are shipped out to you right after that initial payment...no interest,no tax(if you're outside NY),free shipping to your door...so you pay as you play.

there's no way you'd convince me to rent if i can own a pair of speakers :-)

and if you don't like em...send them back within 45 days for a full refund...this is a win win for DJs and AMS...my 2 cents

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JDforKing, i keep telling friends,AMS and companies like them,saved us all...cause many of us have families and other big bills...the old way of paying in full kept many of us from having the quality gear we really wanted...you'd just drool and move on to what you could afford lol

since i have steady income...I can now pay for quality gear via payments,shipping out after initial payment,no interest and free shipping is where they locked me in as a customer :-)

I know all about AMS. I don't need to make payments on dxrs. You need to have good credit for the 12 month plan so not everyone qualifies unless they changed it recently. I'm buying my stuff out right because its cheaper for me. I get discounts on it much lower then AMS. I'm not really stressing $40 I spent renting. I'm buying before my next gig anyways.

I usually buy my gear on ebay for cheaper than AMS, but i've used their 3 payment plan before because i could. I also like that you can return something you don't like within 45days of purchase for a small fee.

Should i buy these Ev zlx or dB technologies Cromo????

you should up your budget by $100 per speaker & look into these
shop.chucklevins.com

I currently have a yorkville setup but I have been renting EV subs since my yorkville sub is stuck in protection mode and just don't have the time to crack it open at the moment.

What I like about the EV subs is they make powerful ones in very light cabinets. My yorkville double 10" is frigging heavy compared to the two 18" ELX series or 15" PVXp subs.

There is an EV PVXp 10" loudspeaker released now and I'm really thinking I could switch completely over to an EV setup.

I've kept me Yorkville E10P's because I couldn't find anything else in that size and configuration that could push like they can.

Little off topic but where I'm located, I have limited access to a lot of different gear.

lots of modern 10" are pretty powerful these days. QSC, EV, RCF, Yamaha, and the new Yorkville Parasource series have some great 10" speakers.

I have a pair of Yamaha DXR10s and they bump - I think they sound better than the E10Ps...

Cant go any higher with my bufget so what you guys think Ev zlx 12p or dB technolgoies cromo 10+

ZLX are excellent speakers for the price and options you get via the dsp...but don't expect them to get as loud as the DXRs...they limit real fast at about 124 - 125db...if you play loud save more money for DXRs cause the ZLX will shut down if pushed in full limit for a while (After 30 mins in full limit) and trust me you don't want that.

a pair is ok for 100 - 150 pple with a sub...anything more than that,you'll need more powerful speakers...better safe than sorry :-) but they are excellent speakers when used correctly for the right event...or as monitors

ok thanks. I dont do big gigs so this will be perfect to me. I have dB technologies Sub 05D its 15'' :)

Well I changed my mind...

I was going to go EV but I want a carpeted finish, it's lasts longer and won't get all scratched up.

I stuck with Yorkville since I found the problem with my LS700P yesterday and fixed it myself. PHEW!

Then I had some good luck and came across a use LS720P sub that was used but in brand new condition.

Eventually I will pick up another 720P for a dual sub setup.

Personally I think the carpet finish looks like crap.

I'm with you on the carpet finish...not a fan. Carpet can get really nasty when it gets banged around.

Myself and guy I work for both use LS801P subs. He has carpet and I have painted. He was with my at my gig the other night and first time he saw my sub and goes ...THAT IS NICE!!!! Loved the painted look.

I think it's worth the extra $75 or so it costs.

Not if you take care of it.

Back that painted surface around a bit and see what happens.

Correction Back = Bang.

That's why all my speakers and subs have padded bags...carpeted doesn't look good anymore imho...it's a old look now lol but hey as long as you're happy

remember the EV Sx300 poly plastic(standard around the world to this day)...i have a pair with bags and they look like new too...so it's all about care

rat fur finish

i'm wit you ,it does look kind of Sh*ty


but that carpet makes no difference in sound/output! so the question is for anyone looking to get the york, is $100 more worth it for painted box

If it's beat up yes, otherwise black carpet kept clean looks smooth and uniform.

It's about care in that aspect as well. I'm going to giving mine a cleaning with a bissell machine at the end of wedding season.

However, I doooo like the PVXp equipment but I've seen the finish on the subs already going to hell since renting them.

Don't do it. Rat fur on speakers looks straight up 80's...
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Ha ha, too late. I've already had the setup for 2+ yrs. Added the 720p yesterday.

The blue carpet I hated back in the. I remember seeing that and think omg.

The black carpet is clean and nice, not the fuzzy crap either.

I had blue Yorkville pulses back in the day. Thought they were the shit!! lol

Actually sounded great. That was my first introduction to Yorkville!

Ha Ha, I remember those Pulses man...

Have you guys noticed Yamaha has increased the power of the newer DSRs' to LF 1000W & 450W for the HF...that's some serious power for an already loud speaker...maybe a response to the EV ETX

usa.yamaha.com

i see!

I am looking to get a pair of DSR115's. What is the best price you guys have seen?

Is it worth looking into the DXR15's for a cheaper price?

There is also a 12lb weight difference between the two.

Come on guys... I thought I taught ya'll better than that!

Unless they changed the original drivers to more efficient models or increased amperage to double the power it was before (which will only net you an extra 3dB), they aren't really doing anything except using marketing fluff because of the noise the EV ETX's are making.

And are these numbers RMS, program or peak power? What's the driver's efficiency? Remember, they'll limit the amps to only what the driver will safely handle. Too many factors to look at here but just know, adding a couple hundred watts to a powered speaker's rating generally nets you nothing except the "oOOoh" factor and more sales for the manufacturer from the less informed consumer.

^ lol

i see!

but seriously thats the hole point for them to do it, so people say wow that speaker is X amounts of power

and i works because people fall for it!

Yep... now would I recommend some Yamaha DSR's to any DJ wanting quality speakers, heck YEAH but I'd steer them another direction when it comes to Yamaha's subs.

It is hard to compare specs across most speakers, that is why listening is so important, and if you can, listening in your environment.

I do some basic comparrisons before I go to the store, but it is mostly with the more trusted manufacturers QSC, Yamaha, JBL and EV (in the mid level gear market).

I don't concentrate on power, but max SPL if it is calculated and the frequency response. I like the companies (like EV) who give you a response chart for all their current speakers. I also like the companies who give you -10db and -3db numbers, and don't stick in crazy -6db numbers, just because their speakers don't look good compared to their competitors at -3db.

Wood speakers, as a whole (to me) sound much better than plastic, but pay the weight penalty. I mean real wood also, not like the dissapointment I had with some of my EV-TourX stuff (MDF).

As I have aged (which I hope I continue to do for a long time) I like the newer grills where you can't see the drivers, as they look cleaner and more proffesional. When I was younger I got off on seeing the big speaker and its movement. I also have lost all desire to own a rat fur cabinet, and I have owned many, but that comes with ALWAYS spending money on covers.

^^^ Good advice.

Ivmez,

I am pretty much an EV man, but that is because of the pricing and support I have received from them.

With that said I have a pair of Yamaha DXR15s that I love. They are not as nice as the DSR series, they won't play as loud, and don't look as good, but are very affordable for what you get. People are saying that EV-ETX is the QSC killer, they are wrong, Yamaha DXR already did that over a year ago.

I like the DXR mixer section better than the ETX line, it gives you more choices and it has simple anolog style DSP settings. Not that the EV is hard to use, but you have three mixer sections, that allow you to use RCA, and on three gigs that has made me an extra $50.00 because I could take an RCA audio feed from a DVD to play music from a DXR to a family video on a big screen.

You gotta take really good care of the DXRs, covers are a must as they are a smooth plastic cabinet, so they show everything.

Thanks rayjthedj. If I get a decent deal on the DSR's I will get them, Otherwise I'll get the DXR's. I am concerned with the weight of the DSR's.

Anyone here getting some good pricing?

Contact Paul at Sam Ash in Nashville, he is the store manager (and fellow Army Aviator). Tell him Ray J sent you and he will give you a great price on what you want. If he doesn't let me know, I will give him a hard time :)

I was in sales for five years after I retired from the Army, it is a cut throat business, why I got out. My rule was you ask me for my best price and keep in confidential, then do the same with everyone else. I was very seldom beat, but I let guys know, I gave you my best price, just like you asked the first time, the other guys that did the same and then are willing to beat my price when you tell them what it was, were not giving you their best price the first time, they were playing you!!

JUST WAIT FOR lABOUR DAY AND USE THE 15-20 % OFF as a price match @ AMS

but if you play loud,like most DJ's do,get the DSRs' 2" Hf driver is very clear.... 3" VC LF driver has some good low punch...plus more power = better headroom.

yep I learned this the hard buying cheap ass Alto speakers. I am speaker money pit I am saving for a professional set. Dont buy into watts and power cause its all smoke and mirrors like the DJ industry...lol

Watts in todays speakers- who cares

What's is the SPL ???

Fixed

Thanx G....

I can get some good pricing.

Cool, I will PM you.

I gave you a POC at Sam Ash, you might try him. I don't sell equipment (new or used) on any forum I am a member of and I do not gain anything if you buy from a source I list.

It keeps all my suggestions in a non-profit tone :)

i just got back from the dj expo, ev zxa5 is still king were dsr vs zxa is concerned


NOW that rcf art 745-a is a different story, BUT i can not say for sure as the 745 was playing in high pass mode i need to hear it full range


BUT DAMN did it sound goooddd, i might be the zxa5 killer it was $1,299 & you know they will know $100 of the price

the rcf art 745-a is $2000 not $1,299

Did someone do an A/B test of the ZXA5's vs the DSR's at DJ Expo?

dude i was at the dj expo advertised price was $1,299 hell will sell to me cheeper the hd32-a was listed at $950 he said i'll give it to you for $850 which means $800