That was horrible

I remember last years champion challenging everyone to come with a MUSICAL approach this year. Looks like they did not. I miss when DMC was more musical and innovative.

My own skills are nowhere approaching DMC standards.

But I have watched the competition videos for years and seen the World Finals live twice.

And that performace, I'm afraid, is shit.

If that really was the best routine this year, I'd HATE to see the also-rans.

Well, it was eventually going to get to this...not surprised...

The game done changed....

I think its been like that for a few years. Vajra last year really killed it. His routine was so sick and i was constantly like DAMN throughout it. but ligone and shiftee the two years prior kinda suck. there is absolutely nothing that stands out in their sets. And i feel the same way about Izohs set this year. I mean shit i can sit their and juggle electro and make it sound as clusterfucked. I didn't see Precisions set by my guess is he brought more skills and uniqueness.

Not saying the guy doesn't have skills, just my ears hurt after listening to that. I couldn't even finish watching the whole video.

+1

Usually, when I start watching DMC videos I usually get sucked in for an hour or so....

BTW, Vekked (posted a set here: serato.com) won the World Battle for Supremacy. At least some of the djs still keep it real and get rewarded for it.

Congrats Vekked!

His 2005 DMC routine sounds WAY better

Watchwww.youtube.com

I agree...thats exactly what happens to me.

and i still watch this Vekked routine on repeat...its so fresh and keeps my attention the whole time. he killed it

There were small parts of that I liked, overall though I wouldn't have expected that to be a winning set.

As much as i love DVS systems this almost makes me want to see them banned...DMC was so much better back in the day when it was hiphop.

Its like now that we have access to great technology it has ruined it.

I might just be getting old however ;)

It does suck big time....

That was sloppy as shit. I can juggle better and cleaner than that.

Was it though? Or was the actual music just so erratic that no matter what he did it was gonna sound muttled and shitty? I hate this shit and don't know how the judges can even pick a winner when EVERY FUCKING ROUTINE sounds the same. I'm gonna start entering battles playing nothing but slow jams just to counter this rising bullshit.

I don't get what DVS systems had anything to do with his routine. He would have done the same thing (minus the air horn) with custom pressed records.

I wasn't impressed

I don't object to all the Le Jad type of routines in principle, if they're executed well. That set wasn't though.

that was pretty tough to listen to.

Yeh suppose so...

Just like to see the old funky juggles and style the older dmc's had.

that was dope........................................... jk not great but it was good lol seriously guys if you hate it so much why dont you take the time to get to that level and do your own different routine. you gotta give him props for winning regarless....

It aint his fault that they decided he was the most marketable this year, but on a DMC level that routine is not. Its not about "why dont you take the time to get to that level and do your own different routine"...we are fans, not entries into the competition. That routine was just fucing noise, nothing else.

gotta echo some of the above sentiments...
it was a pretty dope set, not hate for it.... sure as mentioned a lil sloppy here and there.
(I gotta wonder of not marking you records, and having to rely on looking over at the screen
to double check your spots accounts for that)

but it lacked that "DAAAAAAAAAAAMN, OOOOOOOHHHH SHIIIIITTT, WHAAAAAAT!"
Factor...
usually I end up watching 6 minute routine for about 20 minutes....
watching those parts that blow your mind over and over again to try to disect them.

there really wasnt anything in this set to blow my mind.... dope. but not crazy.

gotta think that we are passing the time of innovation, and witnessing the students of the game having their time to shine....
hopefully we'll witness some new guys who are trying new and new and new things, not just regurgitating existing routines with their own spice.

Now yall no how I felt when DMC went technical and left behind the more entertaining (in my opinion) body tricks. Ive tried 3 times to watch this and could never finish....smh

DMC will die unless it goes back to the day ANYONE could watch a battle and appreciate the skill of the dj without having to be a DJ.

not a fan of those song choices... and that damn air horn

At lease it wasn't you same ol crab, flares, beat juggle, etc that's been at the Dmv for years.

Did I like his set

Kinda, sort, of (in drake words)

It was different and not to technical.

Dj's didn't enter the dmc cuz they knew they shit had to be on point.

I liked vajra set cause it was different.

His set was what made the dmc change.

Glad his set was the ice breaker. From all the same scratches, crabs, chirps, etc.

Obviously the guy has skills, but the routine was a tad messy. This was probably down to the use of the Skrillex/dubstep sound which I'm not exactly a fan of, but I'm sure the audience was loving it.

I haven't read into the new rules of the DMCs now that Serato/Traktor, etc are now being used. Surely separate categories for vinyl and DVS systems should be in place to retain the old methods as well as championing the new technoogy

The best I've seen at these competitions are the routines of DJs Noize, Craze, Kentaro and of course Grand Mixer Q-Bert.

Gave it another shot and promised i would watch the whole thing through. I actually kind of like the beginning half, even with the annoying "Over Over Over Super Sonic Super Sonic" sample he was cutting. But once he drops that bon fire track, the set becomes really unbearable for me to listen to. Watch some of Izoh's other routines though, guy is pretty good.

I'm not a big fan of this winning routine as well but you gotta give him his props. My opinion might easily change too once I watch all the other routines and see it in perspective.

If you hate it that much, let me see you battle in your local/national DMC comp and see how far you advance with your routine.

This attitude is so common with DJs, and seems kinda unique.

I don't have to be an incredible turntablist myself to have watched Craze, Noize and Vajra's winning sets and to be able to say they were 100 times better than this one.

It's not about people thinking they can do better. When people criticize Lebron James do they have to show they can ball better then him?

If it's another athlete is criticizing Lebron, then he better step up and prove himself on the court.

If it's another DJ is criticizing another DJ, then he better step up and prove it on the decks. Still no bigger stage than the DMC battles.

Otherwise, it's just trash talk.

Back on the "dont be a hater" train, I see

I didn't like his set. I have seen others do better. That does not mean I need to battle him. It means I have an opinion.

I feel you, but there's different levels of athletes and dj's. Maybe a college player that may never play pro has an opinion on a pro level player. He's allowed to have an opinion and shouldn't need to challenge the pro player. A hobbyist or part time DJ has just as much right to say he/she wasn't feeling someones routine. Regardless of it all, it's really just calling it what it is. I don't hate the routine personally, more so the track selection. But I can understand if others hated it and I feel they shouldn't have to battle to have an opinion.

There's a difference between stating an opinion and trash talking.
"I didn't like it", or " I thought it was too noisy" = An Opinion

"That shit was garbage", or "I can do better than that" = Trash Talking

Everyone's entitled to an opinion, but trash talking should be backed up with actions IMO. Either way it's all just a bunch of talk.

True. Bring back the body tricks and the other entertaining stuff.

yeah, Im gonna stop everything in my life, practise a six minute routine for hours on end, enter my local DMC competition. Why?..So I can validate myself for having an opinion on why I think that routine don't stand up to the likes of Craze & Q-Berts winning routines. Get real. Its called having an opinion. And I stand by it. That routine is by FAR the worst to have ever won a world final.

By the way, Prometheus is shit.

Oh, wait, I guess I'm not allowed to say that unless I've made my own multi-million dollar sci-fi movie.

Sorry!

+10000 Worst alien movie ever! I'd rather watch Mars Attacks over and over...

I wouldn't say it's unique,
I have always been into photography and use a few different forums.
A lot of the time if somebody posts a photo and you give it reasonable critique (which is supposed to be the purpose of posting them) you get rude responses back like "yeah? your photos are shit anyway"
It's all the exact same issues people have with microwave DJs, people go and buy a $2000 camera and suddenly every photo they take is an epic piece of art and all their facebook friends confirm that to them because every photo they post they get comments "ohhhh, you're SO good!"
Once you come along with some truth, you're "a hater" "don't know shit" or whatever.

truth^

just saw this now, thanks man :D I think my world finals set was a bit better than the online one too (although I had a needle skip that kinda messed it up on the night :(!!), I'll get it posted up eventually...

I pretty much agree with the sentiments of most people, it was pretty sloppy, but I think there were some dope parts (the tone routine being the best, and he nailed it). There were a couple other parts that started out like "oh damn this'll be dope" but he was going a little off beat here and there and really messing up the flow of the routine... he was trying really technical stuff so it wasn't that forgiving.

I feel kinda bad for Izoh because he's a seriously dope DJ, especially with beat juggling, before this year even started my top 2 guys most deserving of a world title that haven't got one were Izoh and Precision. Both have battled for years, and are among the few guys left still bringing something new to the table in their sets. Even in this set Izoh flipped that tone stuff in a completely new way (since you couldn't really do it like that pre-Serato), and he had some juggle patterns that were pretty innovative, but it was a matter of just not sticking them. I think we all have those days, it kinda sucks that he was kinda off this night, but it's also his winning set and the set people will judge him by, even though his winning routine was probably the weakest of his 3 world finals sets.

I don't think the judging was off, he got almost a perfect score by the judges (only 1 judge had him 2nd, and another had him tied for 1st), and I thought he won as well that night, but I also thought he came much cleaner that night. The sound wasn't amazing at the venue so it sounded like he pretty much nailed his set because he had no glaring mistakes, but once I saw the vid it was a lot sloppier than it seemed. I wanna see Precision's set again though too, he's a beast and I know he had some crazy shit but I think he had some issues that night as well.

DJ Scratch would have smoked Izoh...j/k.

Its an open secret that the dmcs have been fixed for years. Im not saying that Izoh didn't have the strongest set this year cause i didn't watch the dmcs (ain't done in a few years due to the huge drop in quality) but its well known they pick winners who are marketable. I wouldn't bet against that having a helping hand in choosing this years winner.

Man yall are nutz that rutine was sick!!!...dude did you see how many stickers were on that mbp..a NEW mbp may i add. And his vinyls...dude those were limited editions..what more could u ask for

He needs to take his shoe off and scratch with it and use his mouth to control the fader. That alone will win the DMC's and put q-bert to shame...smh, rolleyes.

I agree its cool to have an opinion, positive or negative. I personally did not enjoy this set. There were some cool parts, but it was too much random noise for me. I also agree that there is a difference between opinion and trash talking.

I did not like his set and think it ranks very low compared to past dmc winners - Opinion

That set was garbage and I can cut/juggle better than that - Trash talking

The latter should really be backed up if you are in the same profession.

^^^^TRUTH^^^^

But what they mostly say is "That set was garbage" , but won't normally equate themselves into the situation by saying "I can cut/juggle better than that"...

Happens here ALL the time...

And most of the time, the answer is that they CAN'T cut/juggle better than the person they're talking about from the door..

So what SHOULD basically be said is "That set was garbage, but since he's STILL better than me, so I should STFU until my game is AT LEAST up to his..,."

No.

I am not a good turntablist, but I have seen enough good Turntablism to be able to compare that set poorly with winning performances from Vajra, Craze, and Kentaro.

Likewise, I am not a good filmmaker, but I have seen enough movies to compare Prometheus poorly with movies like Alien, The Dark Knight, and Terminator.

My own skills are irrelevant in both comparisons, but I still have enough KNOWLEDGE of the subject to be able to justify holding an opinion.

NO!

You're both in the SAME profession.

You have not reached his skill set, yet talk garbage about HIS.

That makes your point moot.

Like I said, it happens all the time.

Most CATS that TRULY have skills never trash talk....

Have you noticed that?

Your claim that you have the "knowledge" to judge is ALSO moot, because in this case, that actual "Knowledge" would be the ability to do what he's doing, totally understand it, apply it, etc...

You can't DO that, so you "Really" don't have the "Knowledge" to judge him.

Cat's that HAVE the ability to "compete" with him do....

You don't.

let's try it again....

"I did not enjoy listening/watching that set. In my opinion, past DMC winners have done better."

No skill on my behalf is needed to make such a statement.

NOW THAT is respectable statement.

NOW THAT is a respectable statement.

Basically someone who says something like, "Oh, they're garbage", is actually baiting a challenge....and when someone calls them on it, they flake.

This whole HipHop battle thing is just that...a COMPETITION, which forsters trash talking...

Which is GREAT, if you can back it up...

That's what it's ALL about....

LOL this is definitely ingrained in old schol cats like yourself, Johhny.

Unfortunately the "show and prove" mentality of hip-hop (b-boy battles, MC battles, DJ battles, graf bragging rights) has dwindled. Now we are left with newbs on controllers with swarms of bro-mance mantourages calling you a hater if you question their "skills".

I for one, would like to see the trash talking backed up with skills. It only makes for better djs in the long run...

You dont have to be a world class chef to know your chicken isnt full cooked

Its a reflection of the society we created when we started giving out participation trophys

Just to get you aggravated and start some trouble...
They're both in the same profession and while one DJ may not be as technical, that same DJ might be more skilled party rockin so he has the right to say the other DJ is garbage if he so chooses... Thats my honest opinion!

And that is EXACTLY what's the matter with HipHop today.

The fundamentals have been washed away.

If those who TRULY have talent did their thing, and were truly rewarded with trophies, bragging rights, etc..etc, the state of HipHop wouldn't be in it's current condition.

Instead you have cats that have crazy access to "Tools" that create "Music", and an avenue "Youtube" with which to push it, all the time supplemented by fake "Likes".

You mean "Fully Cooked", right?

Actually, no...

And that's AGAIN where the lines get blurred...

A DJ that is "Technically" skilled is one that's participating in a battle of a certain caliber.

The Party Rocker DJ is NOT participating in that same battle, so even though he may EXCEL IN HIS FORTE', he can not say / be knowledgeable about the "Technical" DJ because he himself hasn't achieved greatness, or at least an equal skill set of the DJ he's hating on....

Yes, hating.

It's like scratch nerds on a jam session, and a bunch of people looking on with the "WTF" look, as they can't "Understand" what the scratch nerds are doing...to them it sounds like GAWBAGE...but that's because they don't have a trained "ear" for "Scratch Nerdiness".

The point that MOST of you are missing is that you're overlooking his TECHNICAL agility and that compoouned with using the "Sounds" that he's using, makes it sound like "Noise" to you.

A standard "Transform" may sound like NOISE to a strictly House DJ.

Can't argue with you there....

Watchwww.youtube.com

He's got it - even for DJ's.

Sigh, no. It's well known that pretty much every DMC battle (except maybe regionals) is judged by a bunch of past or present battle DJs... unless you're saying that all of the DJs themselves work together and pick the most marketable DJ independently, lol, it's a conspiracy!

DMC posts pretty much all world finals judging scores online... I've been critical of certain results in the past myself, and it pretty much just comes down to certain DJs being really good at what they do, but really bad at judging.

You ever heard of backhanders?..unless you mean to tell me that DJs are ethically sound and don't do that sort of thing (hahaha..yeah right). I have spoken to DJs who have been approached to judge regional and national finals who said they were basically asked to lean towards a certain competitor (as long as they didn't have no spectacular mess up on the night).

You ever heard of conspiracy theorists?

So basically you're saying all of the battle DJs who've battled are essentially in on this conspiracy, because the only way the results can be fixed is if all of the judges, who are previous National and World champs, choose people they didn't actually think won. It's not like DMC changes their results, or pays them to judge, or has any direct impact like that, so it would mean that over half of the judges have to compromise their integrity just because DMC asked them and no other reason. This seems like the most inefficient/unreliable way to fix results ever... they have no incentive to lean towards a certain competitor at all. How do I know they don't get paid under the table or something? Cuz I've been to heaps of battles, know dozens of DJs who have judged national and world finals, and have seen the struggle some battles have to find judges because it's volunteer works and a lot of DJs don't wanna do it unless they get paid.

I blame chem trails

In the morning to you Bezzle!

(Really hope you get that reference or I'll sound like a lunatic).

Longest 6 minutes of my life....

You know, a few years ago you could have a conversation without having any one call anyone a hater.

Saying someone can't criticize unless you could do better is blatantly false.... otherwise in sports, there would be no coaches. In entertainment, there would be no critics. In politics, democracy would be rejected. Anyone can have an informed or knowledgeable opinion. Obviously as individuals we have the right to accept or reject those opinions, but to dismiss opinions you disagree with automatically as "hate" coming from "haters" is the equivalent of a second grader sticking out their tongue when you tell them to do their homework. It gives the impression that the person is incapable of coming up with their own opinion or expressing their basic thoughts or reasoning. Or perhaps that they do not have the confidence in their own abilities to handle anyone else's opinion.

Back to the battle:
I'm not real sure he could have done anything with those tunes that I would have liked!

Maybe he could throw some pots and pans down the stairs... or let two cats fight in a cardboard box.

Kinda sounds like dubstep!?!

LMAO at DJs compromising their "integrity". DJs nowadays will play any old bullshit song, will play any old bullshit club and put there name anything if it pays enough. They have a much integrity as a common street walker. If you say you know tons of DJs who judged and you know they ain't been paid or otherwise to lean toward a certain competitor then I have no reason not to believe you. Why would you lie. Same goes with me. I know people who have been approached to judge finals who were asked to lean toward a certain competitor, simple as. The DMCs have sucked for a while now anyway so it don't really bother me. I think a lot of DJs lost faith in the organisation a long time ago. Tony Prince is a knob and an embarrassment. You believe what you like, I choose to believe the people I Know. And with the latest world final winning routine, it makes more sense.

I want to see Precision's set. Wht can't I find it? IJS.

This guy should enter the DMC's...
Watchwww.youtube.com

With a name like that, he should know how to scratch.

People say he is the best...

eerrrrr..... legends don't need to enter the DMC

I'm sure you do "know" this inside info. Strangely if the results are fixed they seem to be fixed for the best routine 90% of the time. I can only think of maybe 2-3 years when the world winner was even debatable. Can you cite some of the years where the winner didn't clearly deserve it and the results were fixed?

And how does the fixed judging make more sense this year, when you haven't seen any routines other than the winning routine, lol?

Answered your own question I think.





I seen some entries online that were better than the winning one

Anyway, Im exhausted talking bout this now. The routine sucked, the DMC's suck these days too. Thats all I can muster up when my interest is waning so much.

I just seen your routine and even think that is better than the winning one. Cleaner, better cuts, juggles and most of all...listenable. Im done with the DMC's, have been for a long long time.

I want to see all the other sets now. I never had to wait this long before. Something ain't right about this shit.

Drum and Bass clubs will love Mr. Switch. A little suprized this routine could win though - even with the cheating lol. The crowd seems to really be digging his style though.

Well it's 2015 and DMC championships just keeps going down....How low will they sink?

The champions they pick are getting worse every year. Everyone knows they don't choose based on most skilled or best routine. It's whoever is going to be a good "poster child" for the organization even if theres more skilled and better routines present.

What a way to tarnish the images of previous champions like Cash Money, Q-Bert, Craze etc. I truly feel sorry for all the DJ's who practice so long and hard thinking it's how to win.

How to win a DMC? Work on your image first, second become good friends with management. ABSOLUTELY NO JOKE.

So who do you think should have won?

Thats a tricky question because if you know anything about the DMC you know this favoritism starts at the national level. Unfortunately the ones who have more skill and better routines get eliminated early. Image and relationship are needed just to get past national.

Why is that tricky?

I specifically asked YOU -

I don't know if this counts because I'm not sure if he's only done online but I'm very fond of DJ Unkut I think for an example this is the level of skill and creativity in a routine that could win any year. Just my opinion.

DJ Vekked won this year and his routines are some of my favourite routines I have seen in years. I ain't seen footage of all this year's routines so I can't really comment.

AND they ROOKED Precision last year. Maybe there is favoritism, but some dudes are just that NASTY.

Rooked Precision... yes that seems to be the general consensus doesn't it...

I guess my point is there's been an elephant in the room since 20XX's and I hope in a sincere way DMC starts to acknowledge it. It seems I can't mention the DMC to another DJ anymore without hearing these same responses so it's becoming universal.

It's about song selection, not skill.

That bs

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Yeah its about taste of the food, not how you make it.

Market + able = Win

DJ Alkemy had the formula for the DMC down at post # 1 I think that's the bottom line here.

i think thats how most dj comps are now. Like when i went to the NOLA redbull thr33style there were 3 djs spinning, 2 locals and the guy you could tell redbull wanted to advance. The 2 locals murdered it but when #3 walked on stage the cameramen for redbull rushed up and were taking all kinda special pics and vids and at the peak of his routine they were even doing etra ish with the lights....guess who won

Shady shit

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Precision got his this year with the win in The Battle For World Supremacy, which is arguably the better title to hold since you can't use any DVS, strictly vinyl.

DJ Precision || 2014 DMC U.S. Finals || Showcase
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vekked is dope. I haven't seen the routines yet, but based on his past work, I can't see how it would be out of left field that someone like him could win.

and he posts here too...

hi :D

Regarding judging conspiracies, DMC posts the scores publicly with all of the judge's names attached to their score, they're the most transparent DJ battle organization out there.



Although I ended up making a name for myself in battling more recently, my come up is a good example of an argument against this. I won the Canadian DMC finals in 2011 after 2nd time scratching out of my bedroom in 5 years (the 1st time was when I won the regional), and in 2012 I won a world title in my very first world final vs. a DMC veteran/UK home favourite when I was an absolute nobody.

DMC has a pretty good track record of picking the right winner. I could try to explain any past decisions from a battler perspective if anyone wanted... there's only a couple in the 30 years that I'd disagree with and even those are pretty damn close.

All I can say Congrats to you!

haha thanks dude!!

In Thre3style yes, DMC no


Unfortunately politics & bias have always been a part of the battle scene, you kind of have to prepare yourself mentally for that going into it as a participant. I've seen plenty of battles where I've left skratching my head at the decisions although I think it happens more on a local level than in the national/international realm. In fairness it's hard judging a competition where everything is subjective and a lot of it comes down to the judges personal taste. Sometimes as a competitor it's really hard to tell what they're looking for.

I've been in battles where 4 out of 5 judges will come up to you after the battle & say "hey I had you in first on my scorecard" so you know at least two of them are lying lol.

Vekked. First off, congrats man.

I've spoken to you on Facebook in the aftermath of the start of this thread and while I still stand behind what I said about people telling me there was an element of favouritism toward scoring certain DJ'S toward a win in past competitions I'll flat out acknowledge that I may be out of touch with the competition as it is today.

I watched and voted for your online routine and I had a few friends that went to the finals and every one of them said you took it hands down.

You've brought the soul back to the DMCs. I gotta admit, i was losing interest in the competition but you've brought a lot of people back with your routines.

Bigup.

Big ups on the world title! glad to see it come back to North America. Speaking of decisions I really thought you should have won supremacy last year.




In the world finals yes, but not in US finals or regionals






2013 US Finals....j/k

Was that this year's? If so I'm curious to see who you thought should have won? I listened to all those sets on mixcloud as I prepped for the national finals back in April.

Hey Spare Change,

I watched your black eye peas/Timberlake routine tons of times (I tried to do it once, failed miserably.) You kill it in every performance. Keep up the good work!!

Well.... salute to DJ Precision, Salute to DJ Vekked, Salute to DJ Ragoza, salute to DJ Sparechange, and a BIG BIG salute to our own DJ Logicalstyles "DJ Logic" who took 3rd in that Augusta GA Broad Street Beat Down DJ Invitational who had DJ Judges including - DJ Precision, and DJ Presyce....

Those cats are doing it big.

Thanks! I'm just trying to make it do what it do.

Word. I appreciate it fellas!

Logic...love the blue techs btw



That's a name I haven't heard in a while...I remember meeting him at Scribble the year he battled Abilities. I was just starting to get confident in my skills until I saw him on stage that night and quikly realized how terrible I was lol. I wish he would have battled longer, such a beast & Chi town legend 4 shure.

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Nice! Wear that jacket proudly.

My advice to DJ Precision is to adjust wearing his hat backwards and do the off to one side flava flav style instead +

Change his hoodie to a loud T-shirt +

Do about 1-2 years worth of self promo with that new image +

As he's obviously not friendly enough with HQ in the U.K do whatever possible to get higher on their favorites list.

And maybe, just maybe...his skill level might be noticed and might get the WORLD title he deserved a long time ago.

I'm personally interested to see how long it'll take for them to give precision a world title? Or has he given up at this point because he know's the score?

He just got one the Sunday before last...

thanks homie :)

World supremacy.

There's a lot of poor hopeful people trying to win what you just won Vekked thinking that endless hours of practice innovation and technique are the formula I'm just trying to be honest and tell them they better get the image down and most importantly get the chap stick out and schmooze HQ the right way. It's not a mass delusion here with so many people saying the same thing. It's self evident.

How do you think I won exactly..?

So, are you saying the World Supremacy title is less important? If so, why?

I liked your routine Vekked and I think your a talented guy so I'd rather not debate with you on that.



From what I've seen the few perks you get with your career from winning a world championship (playing clubs,touring) are few enough and even less when you win supremacy.

All I'm saying here is that SOME years judging is complete bollox you don't see any other competition/sport in history where it's based on anything other than skill imagine if the olympics were like that?

Thanks man. I just think my come up is a pretty good example of a DJ who didn't have any political advantage and slowly grinded up over 4 years. I'm not saying there's zero politics, but I do believe the judges at the world finals are very qualified and most understand the work that goes into making these routines and respect the art enough to not choose based on their own biases.

I can't speak for local battles, since I know they don't always have judging panels that are exactly qualifed, but I understand the budget isn't always there to fly out 5 national/world DJ champions for a regional.

This touches the point I was trying to express earlier the real problem is with the local competitions because I have seen some pretty bad conduct like judges not looking or paying attention to non-favorites when they perform even walking off stage to socialize.

The worst is when I hear from management who's "regarded the best" for their area and guess who wins 4 elim's later.

People have a hard time even getting to a world's elim in this system.

Of course, no responses regarding the corruption of this self-fluffling organization.

Just out of curiosity, have you entered any of the DMC regionals and if so did something happen to make you feel this way?
When you talk about the "local" competitions are these DMC battles or are they other random DJ competitions?

Most other local DJ competitions are usually poorly put together and sometimes have questionable judging but I feel the DMC does a good job of choosing knowledgeable and impartial judges. I've only entered 4 DMC regionals and out of those 4 battles, only once did I feel like I should have gotten a better score than I did.

Yes I've battled in competitions.

Unfortunately I can't go into detail about what I know about this competition without getting some sort or repercussion in return so really I'm wasting time and will stop posting all I can say again is how sorry I feel for people who are being misled with this competition.

And here we go...

So basically not to be funny, but you sound like a conspiracy theorist, or someone who is just jaded that they didn't make it past a certain level in the battles...

If you were able to go into "detail", that's one thing, but you're worried about "repercussions"...

Why are you worried about "repercussions" if you already know you're not gonna get a fair shake?

Lots of people have open minds, and can think for themselves IF presented with the evidence or "perceived" evidence of whatever, you're taking that right away from them, or like you said, wasting your time....

It's like saying "Ooooh, I've got a secret, but I can't tell you"....

It's a no brainer that it's probably a good idea to get familiar with those in the battle realm, JUST BECAUSE you gain more facetime, and folks know who you are and can expect and support you....

I guess you want me to respond Johnny...

I don't have to give details just follow the steps above especially being good friends with management from your local branch to HQ and you'll go far.

Stop assuming there's a problem with everyone's skill level Johnny give me a break.

DMC became a Brand somewhere along the way ponder that for a moment.

It's a popularity contest, not skill level, not innovation, not for the DJ, it's only about what will help the Brand's longevity, bring in capital to give the employees of a small organization a modest living through advertising.

You are NEVER going to see someone win a championship if they are a virtuoso on the turntables but don't fit the stereotypical image to further the brand. Yes, you need skills, but can beat anyone even if your skills lack as long as your image is up to par. That's a known fact it's ridiculous and makes for a B.S competition any way you slice it.

Tell me Johnny considering you sound like an expert what happened the year DJ Shiftee won?

Was that skill or something else?

You know, I'm going to find a cartoon character that I can market myself looking like and when I find the right image I'll be back. Cheers for now...

As I'm reading, I'm wondering why someone would register an account just to bump an old thread about the DMCs and then continue on for a week.


And then this happens...

yep, I was like 33.media.tumblr.com because shit dont sound right.

See, what I'm saying is that the "Steps" you're giving are in jest, or should be...

All I'm saying is that you MAY be justified in saying what you're saying, but if you're not willing to put some concrete evidence or PERCEIVED evidence out there, then who's gonna care or listen?



Again, I'm just saying what you SOUND LIKE, versus what you may actually be capable of.



Then if that's the case, then what else would you expect from someone who's changed their direction?

I dunno, I stopped following the DMC after Slyce won.

Man, y'all have gotten GOOD at this...

Salute....

NEW account huh?

I didn't find the right image yet but I'm back....

Yes new account is that strange? To me it's not...

My entire reason for posting here is to point out how things have changed. DMC used to be exactly what it was supposed to be and functioned like a real competition and I had a lot of respect for it. Then it changed and it's a ridiculous joke now.

When you can win because your image is intact and relationships with management are intact over someone more skilled, that's not a sport anymore. It's not a competition. It's a popularity contest.

So many DJ's know this hopefully if enough of them speak their mind someone will feel the pressure to stop the charade.

actually its very strange. In fact it speaks volumes. Now....i cant tell you why its strange or get into the volumes it speaks but if you knew about what i cant tell you youd understand why

For your information I was thinking about how the DMC gets more ridiculous every year and how people keep saying it to me, I thought there has to be someone who's written about it online because what's happening is so obvious. I did a google search and see this thread and the first post is taking about marketability. Hilarious.

So why don't you be the first brave one to try to stop the charade?

You coming in as an alias totally undermines your message.

Joke all you want it doesn't change the truth about this charade.

Where exactly do you see us joking?

We're saying, you basically said a statement, cats are willing to listen, but you're not giving us anything concrete...

Give a specific example of an DJ injustice, in your own words...

Feel free to include links to vids for review and comparison.

DMC is doing it all on their own you don't even need my message. How old is this thread and how many have said the same things I'm saying. Nice try but grand fail.

Bruh -

An example of DJ injustice? LMAO where do I begin???

The year DJ shiftee won

The year Izoh won

I can keep going on...

Absolutely CLEAR examples of B.S, once and a while they might give the right guy a chance but I would hate to be spending all my time and effort and travelling all over the place to compete the year the organization says hmmm this year we need the "marketable choice"

Hey DMC let me know which years ok? Lmao

Links to vids?

C'mon Mr. Cochran lol, there are posts on this very page that talk about shiftee's questionable win a plethora of links and discussion boards are at your disposal if you use google search.

Izoh is self explanatory I rest my case your honor.

I'm not that interested to do a Google search, but I will review what you post as "Evidence"...

I have to give credit to Dj Alkemy because he started shedding some light on this a long time before me.

Just read this thread again. Rinse and repeat. lol

Ok, but you're not REALLY giving him credit, because you're worried about repercussions....

So, you're not willing to back up what you say, even though you're cloaked on the internet...

I really don't see what the problem is...

For example I went to the DMC FINALS in NY on Aug 22nd, and DJ Ease DEFINITELY should have placed.....

See how easy that was?

Ok, but you're not REALLY giving him credit, because you're worried about repercussions....

Now you don't make sense Mr.Cochran.



I think exhibit A this thread is more than enough evidence.

That has nothing to do with the wins mentioned previously.

You're giving him "credit" behind a login that was created specifically for this "discussion"....an alias.



Eh, if you're not going to provide a link or a quote, then enjoy your stay...

We'll keep the light on for you.

You do a great job of ignoring the truth Bruh.

Sure it does - I previously asked you

And you're saying you can't give an answer for one reason or another, nor are you willing to point to any evidence or PERCEIVED evidence of wrong doing....as it may have repercussions against you...

I just gave you my OPINION of someone who should have at LEAST placed, and the sun is still shining, birds still chirping, the board is still operating....

And what is the truth again? I'm trying to get you to take a stand....

You're only speaking in Generalistic terms...

Did I not say Precision should have won? How many other people feel the same way. Your bullshitting at this point. Attempting to make a bullshit conversation.

You work for these idiots for sure. I don't that's for damn sure.

Congrats DMC you took something great and made it shit and everyone knows it. You did it once and thought you could keep doing it but people are noticing.

Let me know when I can take a picture hugging sally mclintock so I can increase my chances of winning. Lord know's practice is a waste of time after you get some general skills and start schmoozing.

?????

Shiftee's juggling in his winning set was the best beat juggling DMC has seen in a battle since Kentaro. There's like 5 beat juggles in the last decade that I would give a 10/10 and Shiftee had one of them.

What? Best beat juggling that year? Wtf are you talking about???

Because of the Bollox score? What do countless people's eyes say Vekked?

Rafik, Netik, Fly. Best beat juggling DMC has seen in the new era. Period.

Shiftee won because image and ESPECIALLY the build up of relationship was built correctly. Period.

You know I'm talking to a DMC champ who can't say shit about his own bullshit organization, and an organizer, how can I have an honest convo?

Don't get upset with me for the garbage that DMC pulls. And stop trying to defend something that's so obvious. Ridiculous.

Let's end this the way it started with DJ Alkemy's first post because nothing has changed in years and it's only getting worse.

You know what, let me quote myself for a moment because this is the bottom line of this bullshit organization

Bottom Line!

See you next year at the same time to witness the next farce DMC.

farce
färs/
noun
noun: farce; plural noun: farces

"A comic dramatic work using buffoonery and horseplay and typically including crude characterization and ludicrously improbable situations."

ludicrously improbable situations. Lmao my feelings exactly.

someone is really bitter... no?

geeze
:)

any competition based on subjective judgement is going to have the headscratching moments.

but this guy just sounds like he's got some sour grapes.

That's a stereotypical response, not buying it.

That's a stereotypical response, not buying it. Nice try guys.

Get your chap stick out guys the next year of ass kissing is here, I'm not an ass kisser so yes it bother's me that peoples skills won't matter.

Make SURE you kiss the ass of your local organizer first to guarantee multiple shots at the world finals,

While your doing this make sure to kiss lots of U.K ass at head office and make sure you look the part.

Abracadabra, watch yourself win like magic!

@deejayspinda

All that said, will YOU continue to participate in the DMC "farce" ?

Finally a great question.

I've already thought about this. There is no way to win the DMC without all the bullshit so I'm going to be forced to follow the bullshit guidelines so that my skills will be noticed. Then when I win I'll be a champion that finally tells the truth about this bullshit organization WITHOUT FEAR BECAUSE I HAVE A DAY JOB and prove that I could only get there by the hershey highway of bullshit.

Ready for my photo op Miss. Mclintock, will some chocolate and flowers be a nice gift you think?

I knew that was coming. So you're pissed off because you think you should be doing better in the battles than you're doing so you've created a scapegoat.

Then you register an alias, bump an old thread while pretending you just "happened upon" it, and go off a hint-rant without ever actually being straight about it, saying you don't want repercussions and you want to talk about "honest" conversations?





That's a stereotypical response, not buying it. Nice try guy.




LOL

Plot twist: deejayspinda is actually GMJ

???

Didn't Precision win? I'm confused....



Bruh, you buggin.....

So, you're a DJ who didn't make it past a certain point?

That would be hilarious. lol

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In all fairness, deejayspinda does have a point. It's a lot of politics with plenty of shit in life and DJ competitions are no exceptions. I too have seen it at a regional level in and outside DMC.

BUT, you can either complain about it or be so damn dope that there is no denying that you should have made it to the finals and even win the entire competition.
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Can we see an example of your skills?

he can't - he's "in disguise"

You guys are absolutely hilarious thank you I needed a giggle,

There is no problem with the DMC right, it must be I have a personal problem and everyone else saying the same thing must also, we're just sore losers.

GIVE ME A BREAK I want to see the right person win even if it's not myself as you can see from my previous posts.



Yeah what is ANYONE supposed to do when they're picking an "Izoh" that year no dopeness will suffice ask the runners up of 2012.

Who's GMJ?

Get shares in the chap stick company, try to look more B-Boy than Izoh and jump around more while performing. That's the ticket!

Oh and more air horn ;)

No matter what I say I still can't top DJ Alkemy, "this takes the royal piss" makes me laugh every time I think of it. lol

Normally I wouldn't do this but...













Nah, I'm gonna bite my tongue on this one. I'm just gonna sit back and watch this story unfold.
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Who is that?

What story? I came here to reiterate what Alkemy said didn't know it was going to be such a big deal.

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Who is this?

Ok the legendary Grandmaster jay.lol

This is all the training you need guys in this video:

Watchwww.youtube.com

And here is the root of your issue. You have no idea what you're talking about. All 3 are amazing DJs but all 3 are clearly stronger scratchers and won on the strength of their scratching not their beat juggling.

The fact that you think Shiftee won based on politics and rafik/netik/fly are the best jugglers in recent times means you don't really understand the artform whatsoever.

Really? your talking about scores again Vekked, sure I'll agree the live scores are different I'm talking about the actual content. I know about kentaro's score your talking about "accuracy" on the night. That's completely different bruh.

I don't know the art form? Rafik changed the game of beat juggling and especially the "composition of how routines are made" your going to deny that? All of you guys routines are composed a certain way that Rafik originated the format of.

So what if their stronger scratchers you think they won by that not by the "intricate" way they compose a routine in it's entirety?

And your telling me Shiftee is a better juggler than Rafik? By live score sure... And the scores are bullshit to me because of the bullshit of DMC. Shiftee and everyone after the fact learned A LOT from Rafik. Rafik changed the game NO?

And I haven't even mentioned the other two.

Scores and more scores from BULLSHIT artists, that's all you care about. I know how your so called "judging" works so as I said I'm going to need a barf bag if I have to hear about the bullshit scores again.

That's right, defend your garbage self fluffing organization that doesn't give a shit about people. Just themselves.

Like YOU are going to say anything negative about the "conduct" of the DMC YA RIGHT LMAO!

WTF happened with IZOH, C'mon give me some miraculous explanation why that's not pure bullshit on DMC's part. Yeah, tell me how IZOH WON, I would LOVE to hear your commentary on that.

I'm sure ALL the people who spent a year of their lives travelling expenses to go to a dozen eliminations etc just to be beat by that guy??? I'm sure they would LOVE to hear the explanation of why they wasted their time and money.

Please enlighten us Mr. World Champ.

Here's next years champ:

Watchwww.youtube.com

I think from now on any "questionable" winner of the DMC should be referred to as a "Dish Jockey"

ie. "He won by being a good Dish Jockey".

Meaning he did nothing special but polished some dishes in that routine.

There you go folks, I have finally revealed the insider information that I mentioned...

Next year's winner!!!

You know Vekked when you respond to me it's as if you don't read my post....anyways...

Tell me something so I can gauge each of our tastes for what is skill...

Do you think shiftee's golden years routine is more "complex" than rafik's gold steel routine?

Just for an example...

Also, why is it that with a certain routine like Rafik's people have no question why that is chosen as a winning routine. Not one person.

Then when they see shiftee's winning routine you have a large percentage of people saying WTF, what does this tell you? Just wondering...

A lot of people have a high skill level these days and know what it would take to pull off certain routines if they had to do it thus the difference between a WTF response and a wow that was mind blowing response. I think people judge like that. That's my theory.

Because rafik's routine is mainly scratching with lots of melodic content, and shiftee's is mainly beat juggling, and the general public, even DJs, don't get beat juggling as much as they get scratching. As evidenced by everything you're saying.

Most people would probably choose a 7 out of 10 scratcher over a 10 out of 10 beat juggler because when they hear tempo and time signature changes they think it's a mistake and sounds bad.

Not to mention 99% of people just aren't good judges of battle routines but have too much ego to admit it. Like, you probably legitimately believe you're more qualified to judge world class battle routines than I am for some delusional reason.

LOL

Delusional. Is that what they call different taste these days?

Which one is more difficult to perform in your opinion if you had the tracks and had to do it?

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Rafik's scratching would be harder, shiftees juggling would be harder. Rafik's routine is better but guess what... They didn't compete in the same year! So they're both allowed to win.

LOL



You absolutely have the mind set of the new "DMC champ" 99% of people huh? You my bruh are the elite, the 1 percent, the illuminated one. It's nice to know what you think of "us" out here.

I would really like to see all of these bedroom DJs who can pull of DMC world champ's routines lol

Rafik's routine is better funny that's what I was trying to say.

Where do you think you guys come from?

Think a bit more about what you say it's a known fact that some ONLINE dj's have had better routines than world champs.

And while your bestowing us with your wisdom please give me a miraculous reason for Izoh winning and for everyone that year who wasted time on a real routine.

Let's not sway from what this thread is all about: Dj Izoh's infamous win.

Everyone knows how bullshit that was but you will find a way to explain that I'm sure.

Here's next years champ!

Watchwww.youtube.com

You know what's hilarious to me, DJ's who think turntablism and the champs routines etc
are such an amazing feat of musical performing achievement. A mastery of dexterity and hand to eye coordination.

Can you PLEASE watch a piano concerto like Rachmaninoff's 3'rd if you want to see something difficult like memorizing 80 pages of notation at 128th notes and humble yourself.

Approx only 10 people in the world can play that properly, you act like your routines are this diffcult LMAO!

Open your mind...watch out for people in the future who are not just DJ's, If they can take the time to learn a Tchaikovsky piece they can learn any DMC winning routine. Take my word on that.

I would say I can't wait until someone like that decides to be your competition.

But it won't matter if they don't get a lifetime of chap stick and get that image down for the DMC.

Next years champ everyone! A great Dish Jockey!

Priceless:

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Ok I think I finally found my image for my upcoming battles! I think this is the look right here!

Watchwww.youtube.com

< Makes a comment on a thread about DMC, has to "stop tracking" said thread 3 years later. SMH

My apologies I am only a mere mortal.

Spending every waking moment right now learning routines that are impossible to mortals like myself.

All bedroom dj's I implore you! Although we are simple minded orangutans possibly the powers of the universe will look down upon us and give the ability to do the first 2 bars of dj shiftee's routine!

Guess that includes "Izoh Osbourne's" routine too right? Your right. I'm stumped. Too tough.

I guess your right...

I consulted the ancient texts...Confucius says: Dmc champs don't start in a bedroom or basement they start in a manger with three wise men present.

Let's have a contest to re-create Izoh's set. Doesn't have to be the exact same music just get your craziest electro and air horn's out!

100 £ to the winner!

Lmao, that was funny, yall goin hard in here.....

Mad disrespectful...lol.

Like, you probably legitimately believe no one can do YOUR ROUTINE for some delusional reason.

Like, you probably legitimately believe a dmc routine is as difficult as a classical piano piece for some delusional reason.

Like, you probably legitimately believe chap stick has nothing to do with DMC placement for some delusional reason.

Like, it takes me 10 posts and you 5 to say I'm right Rafik's routine is better for some delusional reason.

Like, I know which routine is better and so do other people but we're ALL delusional in your mind for some delusional reason.

Dish Jockey baby! Next years Champ! Watchwww.youtube.com

That's next years champ:

Watchwww.youtube.com

I think from now on any "questionable" winner of the DMC should be referred to as a "Dish Jockey"

ie. "He won by being a good Dish Jockey".

Meaning he did nothing special but polished some dishes in that routine.

Hello All,

I just read this thread and have learned that I'm a 99% bedroom Dj. I'm looking to move into the 1%, or out of my mom's house if possible, and I'm having trouble. I went to the the store to pick up some chap stick but there were so many options. Which chap stick do I need to buy to become DMC champ?

Thanks to this thread I've also learned that it's important to work on my calves, I hear they help with jumping behind the decks. Only problem is I'm learning that developing the calve muscles can be tough, what exercises should I focus on that will up my jumping behind the decks game?

Thanks! I look forward to looking down on all the 99% with my beautiful calves, smooth lips and DMC Champion jacket in the near future.

Hallelujah thank you! This makes me roll on the floor hysterical allow me to assist you...

Ok you need the special edition Obama Brand Chap Stick view here:

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It's the only one that will work

Yes you are very correct calves are very important to jump behind the turntables.

Whatever you do don't work on your arms turntablists are not allowed to have biceps, notice that? lol

lol

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I made this thread a few years back. I still stand behind my original post about that particular winning routine and the whispers of favouritism (I was talking about DMC in it's prime).

Anyway, I have watched Vekked's routines for a while now and it's simple, he had the best routine this year. I watched some of his earlier stuff too and the dude done it the hard way. Every year, grafted, hard work.

I know people who went to the battles, real DJ heads and when I enquired about who won, they all said, Vekked took it by far.

I just hope this ushers in a new era for the DMC's because it's definitely needed. And instead of making this a shit flinging contest, let's just realise that this year, the right man won.

I can, albeit from an outsider, vouch, from watching Vekked's routines the last few years that he most definitely has put in the work. Probably the most legitimate, hard working DJ out there in the battle scene.

So are you saying DJ Craze was kissin' azz to win battles?

wait, first it was politics and bringing up subjectivity is "stereotypical" and now different tastes matter?

I don't think anyone has ever suggested that there aren't politics involved in any of these contests.

Hell, I remember an interview with Roc Raida like 10 years ago that basically stated that.

None of this is eye-opening.

That said, over the years, most of the winners I think deserved the win give or take a few here or there. When you get to that level of skill, there are some judges that are going to hold certain things with more value than people like you.

What's more interesting is how for someone who think DMCs are such a crock of shit, you still can't stop talking about.

Or maybe concert pianists should try getting to a level where they create a 6 minute routine on turntables that is good enough to win the DMC title.

Or maybe they should just stick to what interests them and not confuse one talent with another one.

lmao! U mad.

Another complete ass clown I meet on these boards. It's like a breeding ground for shit talkers.

Your very mad. I couldn't care less.

Wow, I missed a lot. This is gonna be a good read. Starting from OCt 13th. lol

Don't let the door hit you in the camel toe on ya way out.

Lol. That guy took the cake for talking to himself.

Wowww hahahahaha

What other incriminating information does your sources have on me? This is reputation ruining stuff right here, I'm worried they're gonna strip me of my titles now.

Don't feed the troll

I have complaints about various battle organizers myself, but unfortunately no matter how many you win, you don't have any pull to do anything about how things are run. Gotta start my own battle.

It shouldn't feel that way...it's just going to make for so many more dj competitions and dilute DMC's value which I think sucks.

They just have to start listening to people again.

From your local to the HQ.

So you dont like the DMCs?

I like the DMC too much that's the problem! lol

But I've seen enough BS in my own experience that makes me not want to participate either.

LMAO! Now this is great entertainment....

But you talk all this wreck, but can't name names to put cats on blast.

Nobody believes you cuz.

I was saying the same thing! lmao

That's not my job to make people believe me and I'm not going to name people so they get in trouble when they make valid claims.

They didn't ask me to come here either the onus was on me cuz.

I'm glad it's entertaining you.

I like to think I can be an entertaining guy when I'm in the mood. Thank you

Although nothing beats the Dish Jockey commercial for entertainment.

Btw not a real product guys its a "farce"

Well I didn't want to bust your chops Vekked but did a bit anyways I hope it wasn't too busting.

After everything I've said I can't think of what I could contribute anymore so I'll be watching the DMC from a distance for now, with fingers crossed for better things to come.

For the record I don't think this year was a chap stick year and I know you've been working hard for many years for this. Sorry if I caused any damper on your time of celebration.

And please don't entice me to come back. lol!

Haha, no worries man. It's healthy to discuss and criticize :)

:D

I know you don't usually do this Serato, but delete my posts if you can. They contain impolite, vulgar, and inflammatory content.

Definitely has to break numerous community rules.

Please and thank you ;)

Sincerely, we have kids reading this site.

Thank you!!

Even better if you could delete this whole thread I think it would be highly appropriate for your younger readers.

If you want me to delete this thread, I'll need you to name names, then we'll discuss.

Your choice I think all the vulgar content she be cleaned up period on this site due to the nature of DVS and how crucial support is etc my kids will have to come here in a few years and have to read this forum. Kids are already up here reading it. If you don't want to remove it it's fine I knew there was no deleting before I posted. But It's a support forum for a retail product.

Are you a moderator etc on this site Johnny?

IBTL

It's a support forum for a retail product. Not appropriate. Bottom line.

Should I contact Serato by phone regarding this issue which is the faster way for me to speak to them?

Are there any live forum moderators? I don't have much experience with forums.

No, this is the General DJing discussion forum. All of the support forums are clearly labeled with the word Help.

Are you suddenly afraid that you've said too much and are now fearing those "repercussions" you spoke of earlier?

Hahaha nice try.

If I was worried about repercussions I wouldn't have posted in the first place but the language is terrible now that I look through it.

I genuinely am thinking about my own kids and the couple up here I've seen posting that look like pre teens etc.

Ok so that was a joke, no worries I have no problem calling them.

Because this forum is not appropriate for ALL the consumers that they are supplying to.

And really, would you want your kids to be reading this filth up here?

Not me man.

Ok, got it. I'll be calling new zealand on monday.

Thanks for your help guys you obviously aren't parents.

I depends on how much info you're willing to give up...

If you're serious, you can easily rectify that by apologizing for using the language you did in this thread....

We will take that into consideration while reviewing your request to removed the thread...

Stay tuned....

There is a large consumer base of 12-14 year old's who's PARENTS purchase Serato products Johnny.

I'll be calling head office on monday because they will be the ones to care the most about this issue. Always the way in corporate with the founding office and I anticipate when I direct them to some of these posts they will be happy to remove them. They know who their consumers are.

You've got x rated avatars up here as well this is a retail product's support site and it seems to have NO moderation, I actually thought I would be censored or booted 100 posts ago.

I'll make sure to direct them to your blackmailing posts as well, to remove explicit content for children.

Your the bully that lives here indefinitely when my son comes here one day you'll be the first to break his chops just like you were the first to reply to my first post and obviously the one tracking this discussion for 3 years.

I really should have asked you for some pointers when I came in here because looking at most of the threads up here your the GMT - Grand Master Troll. The G.O.A.T greatest of all time bully on the serato support forums. Or am I wrong?

Lord help me If I had to be arguing with DJ's every day I don't know how you do it.

Are you in the 12-14 year old age group Johnny? ;)

damn do you have a job? you have been babbling all day :)

I'm thinking that the board's previous PPH (posts per hour) record has been shattered. Congratulations! That's no easy feat!

Now, simply submit to the standard mandatory screening for performance-enhancing drugs. Once the results come back negative, your title will be shipped to you.

I just stopped in to see what the post count was all about. Now I'm going to have to go back and read through this. I am intrigued!

My employees do. Are you looking for one?

Nah i wouldn't work for you just the way you talk on here :)

You think that's impressive, you should see me when I'm REALLY passionate about something.

Ditto.

You don't have to worry I'm past the point of boredom on this thing. Another thing I don't understand how you guys do it.

Do you have a girlfriend or a wife? Because damn you guys are on here every day and every night for YEARS.

It's Friday night. Go outside and get some fresh air.

Done reading. Anonymous butthurts. Got it. Carry on

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Maybe if we stop typing.... he will?

Doesn't matter to me, the only thing left on my agenda regarding this place is speaking to serato head office on monday.

Here's a thought, hit the REPORT button Einstein. Lmao @ your Extreme Butthurt condition.

Preparation H maybe?

Chinx is the resident hemorrhoid expert here.

*****Blank stare*****

You know what?

I'm gonna do you a solid...

I'll lock this thread so that NOBODY ELSE can post in it EXCEPT YOU?

How does that grab you?

Done....

You want me to hit the report button on 400 posts in this forum then spend a year going through 25,000 pages to clean up this site? I don't work for Serato Einstein.

Butt hurt? Do you think I actually suffered any discomfort by being here I haven't laughed so hard in a long time!

Sadistic narcissistic bullying DJ's are one of my biggest pet peeves and it's an absolute pleasure believe me. I'm finding it very therapeutic.

For the amount of bullying I've seen you do so far on this site to absolutely everyone (and we can't forget it's quite a few years worth) It's my pleasure to give you some back my bruh.

Your such a witty and intellectual cat aren't you, living a miserable existence doing what I did in the past few days EVERY DAY OF YOUR LIFE because it makes you feel better about yourself to put other people down. I said it before I love bullies like you.

C'mon Johnny, harass me some more you know it gives you extreme pleasure.

For you Bruh:

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If I didn't have so many complaints regarding the DMC from people I wouldn't even have come here. It's something my kids would do I don't look at this as a productive way of life. Sorry bruh.

But for sadistic narcissistic DJ's who want to harass everyone just for shear pleasure, It's my pleasure as well...

C'mon where's the big bad bully? I guess your harassing someone else right now huh Johnny.

Butt hurt effects multitasking doesn't it?

I came here portraying an asshole to get a point across, you do this asshole shtick every day!

Your posts show dates and times and the AMOUNT you LIVE up here, putting people down and it looks like you really enjoy yourself. As I said I don't know how you do it but for you it's the norm thus the blank stare.

I'm gonna do you a solid and send you an escort to be a pretend girlfriend for a night so you can chill yourself and we can lower the level of harassment from you on this forum for at least a few hours. I really think it'll be healthy for you bruh.

Although, you have the role down.

Someone take his batteries out

Ok, that's it...

Thread locked....

Nobody else can respond here EXCEPT YOU.....

Enjoy talking to yourself.....

I don't click on links.

This is actually funny....

If you ask (even though they can't respond), you'll see that I'm HARDLY bullying you....lmao...

I'm going out of my way to be extra nice....

Kinda highlights how much of a Q-Tip you are...

Someone get this guy some knee pads to better facilitate his kissing of vekked's ass.

This is the most excitement you guys have had in eons you know you don't want that.

......Blank stare.......

Um..If you read I was talking about the treatment of others.

Well with as little experience I have living on forums I think I'm starting to get the hang of it. Thanks guys!

No surprised your here first thing bright and early ;)

Do you guys just put the pillow on your laptop for a quick power nap or what?

LOL, I've locked the thread... nobody will be talking to you...

And for some secret, wrapped up in a mystery, wrapped up in an enigma reason,

You actually think that's what I need or something. That's a "forum hermit's" mentality bruh.

Forum Hermit: a new internet slang term (by yours truly) to add to your glossary of internet terms, lord knows you've spent a great portion of your lives learning every acronym possible.

I was serious about the escort Johnny, let me know if you want me to call your local service and send one over bruh.

I forgot to mention, I guess that means something in the states, where I come from doing someone a solid is giving them a stool sample.

If that's what you mean, thank you for the gift although re-wrap it and re-gift it to Alkemy for me, with a bow. Thanks.

Wow! This is getting fun! Maybe I can understand why you like it so much after all ;)

I liked you for about 10 minutes Alkemy, shame.

Jokes aside, I hope that I'm making you guys have a chuckle...I'm not really seriously trying to insult so hopefully us messaging is breaking up the monotony for you guys at least. ;)

Aww guess that takes the fun out of it huh. Haha

That didn't work before because he spent a whole weekend having a one way convo, so yeah..

How did you get in here? I locked the thread, and only HE could post in here for the last 2 days....

You forget that I too am a MOD in here.

Man, they just be giving the keys to anybody these days....

BTW...

May we have a "Moment Of Silence" for the enigma formally known as deejayspinda...

Looks like he made that call to HQ....

Ever since they discontinued support for SSL lol

This was an interesting read. Does anyone here other than djalkemy think this year was the right choice? I think this year was the worst out of all of them.

sloppy, hard to listen to set...but dope.
there were few if any "wow that was amazing". one part of the drum scratches were nice and had the potential to go further but he ended it too quickly for my liking.

btw i have never like to style of most DMC set from Japan.
while technically amazing, they tend to be too frantic, fast and not musical for my liking.

DMC is a joke now... Vekked winning world speaks volumes on how low this organization has sunk.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Man, I don't agree. This Vekked set is one of the dopest DJ routines I've ever seen. Dude is dope: Watchwww.youtube.com

... Granted, it's not like the days of old where you didn't have all the digital advantages but he's very creative.

Now that DJ Fly victory a few years back... THAT was a DMC joke.

This ^^ is a great example of how all the new technology is actually ADDING to the creative aspect of DJing!

+1

Vekked is a beast. That set was great. His set is NOT why I said the DMC's were a crock. Just making that clear.

I'll voice one recent gripe I have had with DMC battles. I don't know how anyone else feels about it but it has to do with recycling routines. Just my personal opinion but I think it's ok to recycle old routines if it's for a different battle like use a routine you used in DMC in Redbull or reuse the routine you used at the regional for the national or world finals. I've re-used routines from Scribble Jam in DMC or guitar center or other battles but I kind of feel that once I've presented it at a national final that I should retire it from using it again in the same battle.


The past few years at the regional level of DMC I have witnessed myself and heard from other djs that more and more people who made the us finals the previous year are winning re-using big chunks of or their whole us finals routine from the year before at the regionals. I've competed the last 4 years and have put together totally different sets with new material at every one. I think it's kind of lazy if you're going to compete back to back years in the same battle to not at least make the majority of your set new material. Maybe I'm wrong on this and maybe I should just follow the trend but to me it makes the battles less interesting.

STILL haven't seen Precision set.........

You're right, and people can recycle old routines year after year if they want... they're just not going to do well lol.

Thanks Gaffle/Alkemy, appreciate the kind words :)

IDK they've been winning regionals with them the lately, most judges at the regional levels don't keep up with the DMCs anyways and have no clue and I can think of an example where one won the us finals

Yea they might take a regional but that's about it. Precision won 07 US finals with his 06 routine but that's a diff story.

LOL the same 3 people saying the same bollox. I'm happy that it's so self evident now and anyone can see what a joke DMC and it's so called "champions" are.

If you travel like I do and mention the DMC to people they all say the same thing "DMC is going downhill" .

Oh and SpareChange, stop believing your routines have anything to do with anything. The DMC is not a real competition for TURNTABLISM, it's a POPULARITY & POSTERCHILD CONTEST.

As I said before in this thread get your chapstick out and start kissing ass from your local organizer to HQ and make sure your local organizer picks you as the favorite every year and tells the judges the same thing. They're all friends in their towns and this idea of a favorite is perpetuated constantly between them. This will ensure you multiple title shots and even if your routine is elementary they'll finally say " Awww he's been trying for a long time let's just give it to him this year even if there are much better routines. Your routine doesn't give you a chance no matter how good it is, don't you get it by now looking at the past few years winners?

Where have you EVER seen a competition of any kind where the winners are determined by the amount of fluffing they've done and not skill??? WHERE? Nowhere but the DMC. It's shameful, really.

On another note here's a SNEAK PREVIEW of this years winner see the exclusive video:

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cant you enter online? cant you go to different cities to enter competitions?

im not saying things, IN ANY COMPETITION, that are judges instead of have a quantifiable scoring system(even those can be questioned by the refereeing in the contest) can be slanted, but saying the same thing over and over looks bitter.

if you have some insane skills ala vekkid, show them online. use whatever you used to make these posts, to make videos to show people. this is a new world, things have changed, up your game and quit crying about DMC comps on a Serato board. This is really not gonna get you the shine you need, UNLESS you post some vids or mixes.

the internet is free, you dont need new clothes or a 100$ haircut to succeed. but you sure arent going anywhere bitching about it to a bunch of experienced djs that knows what it takes and have seen heard these same arguments for years.

I got stripped of my Canadian DMC title the first year after I won because I had a falling out with the organizer and other people in the scene, and it wasn't until after I got a million views organically on youtube that I finally won DMC World... sooo, no, this isn't how it happens. I'm too busy practicing to try and work my way up any sort of political chain.

Where have you ever seen after you win a competition you have to keep it cool with the organizers after or they'll strip your title? ONLY DMC.

Where have you ever seen a competition where you have to have a million "youtube" views before your taken seriously by the organization? ONLY DMC

Rise up DJ's and get angry that's what you need to do. Force these imbeciles to bring it back to what it was originally intended to be A COMPETITION.

Think about all your years and hours of practice, and how you should have spent more time making yourself an "internet persona" instead...if that doesn't make you upset and you don't become an advocate for justice on this matter you have NO SELF RESPECT!

Another all knowing ORACLE who's extra sensory perception is off or can't read all I've been saying is if you have INSANE SKILLS it's a Waste O' Time. You need to master the Autobahn Schmooze (delayed click schmooze with a dash of flair and I mean flair not flare) And most of all get POPULAR, real popular.

im saying if you make some free videos on free sites. that makes it free? everyone has a computer or phone with a camera.

if you are getting views then maybe, im not saying its gonna happen 100%, you might have a better shot.

having a negative attitude and then doing nothing about you're situation is kinda pointless. no one has ever risen to the top of anything like that.

invest in some facebook ads to get your content played or do something, even if it costs money. invest in your future or find a sugar daddy or something. BUT STOP WHINING NOBODY LIKES A WHINER/CRYBABY.

NO ONE LIKES A CORRUPT CONTEST ALL KNOWING ORACLE. DIRECT ME TO THE FREE INTERNET IMBECILE.

phone/recording device/whatever you are posting on + youtube/soundcloud/mixcloud/hearthis/etc + you mixing or scratching = free as it gets.

do you just expect to be a complete badass and everyone bow down to you?

no one is an oracle, you are just being a weirdo about this.

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Thanks Imbecile.

What a great read this was, saw this and had to post myself I'm glad finally people are talking about this openly now when it was always an open secret. I've also had my own experiences with the DMC that are pretty bad.

It is true that the DMC cheats many DJ's out of a real opportunity to win anything unless they kiss ass for a good amount of years with HQ and local I completely agree with that. Anyone can see the last winner was the CLEAREST example of this for anyone involved with the organization like I am this is common knowledge.

I agree with some of the other comments the DMC is a popularity contest not a DJ contest that cares nothing about how much time you put into your skills it's sad.

The worst was 2012 in my opinion. I liked last years ok the year before that i'm still undecided...

Society is based on kissing gate keeper ass. Skill will only take part way, and sometimes not required at all.

So true.

It's happening again!!! The guy at DMC Canada just made it so another friend of his won. UNBELIEVABLE CORRUPTION check it out for yourself. I already saw the signs of this happening and it did. Disgusting.

This is happening many years now nothing new in the U.S this was happening over 10 years ago.

Dmc is a joke most people know that maybe you are just learning this.

Greets from Bahrain

Looks like this thread is going to be applicable for a long time...

This years winner?!? youtu.be

the first 25 secs was just track playing that wasn't special.
he can juggle but not very much in the scratch category.

i have been watching dmc for over 20 years. things have changed a lot not saying it's a bad thing...wish they would separate scratching and juggling like ITF. although, now we have controllerism to add.

I miss the times when DMC style battles were entertaining both to listen to as well as to watch. Scratching, juggling, wordplay, funkiness, etc. You didn't even necessarily need to watch the routine to appreciate how it sounded. At some point though it became a lot more about the display of technical ability rather than producing an end product which was audibly appealing to the listener. Much respect nonetheless though, because there are a lot of cats out there with some ridiculous technical skills.