Pretty sure DJ Scene plays in Vegas a lot ha.

I think DJ Scene also travels a lot too.

Unless you're a big name DJ, vegas is like you're local scene but worse. It would be similar to being an actor and moving to Hollywood. But just like hollywood, if you can make a name for yourself there....

Good luck.

What I meant is what's the situation like? If you're good, what are the best steps to get an audition and what not?

I'm not sure what your local scene is, but it's the same basic steps, network, who you know, following...... and any additional steps that will put you above will probably not be shared.

To be honest, its not how good you are its WHO YOU KNOW.

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I do agree that who you know helps get you the gig. In the Bay it was a combo. It was who you knew and how good you could rock a party. I've pissed off my share of promoters friends who could Dj because I was simply better and more dependable than them. Club competition in the Bay is crazy! How good you are mattered a lot.

Do you enjoy playing EDM?

THat is the real question.

What kind of clubs do you want to do? EDM? Hip Hop & R&B? Open Format?

I prefer Open format because it will allow me more creativity. I enjoy Genre changes to break up the monotony. My favorite Genre is RnB and Old School, but I would probably get bored playing it all night, without slipping in some dancehall or something. To answer R-Tistic's question is I do enjoy playing EDM but I would not call it one of my primary Genre's. This may make some people mad, but EDM has been out for over 20 years in one form or another. It's a variation of a variation of Techno, which is a variation of Disco and so on.

Here's an example: I remember when I was hired to do a Rap gig in Oakland. The promoter said that he wished he could play other Genre's but the DJs could only get the crowd rockin' on Rap/Hip Hop. Well, I slipped into some dance hall, they cheered and then I dropped in "Knee deep" by Parlament and they went nuts! I then went back into Rap, because that was a base Genre.

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I've been telling people this for 75 years but they act like I sold them bad crack. i knew I wasn't bull shittin'
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LOL!!!

you can always let your hair grow out,throw on 2lbs of gel and camp out in front of mtv's offices.but hey,that's if you have the drive

you better have friends in high places if you want to make it in vegas.

seriously torch, i am gonna tell you what no one else will.... you are probably not gonna make it out here, its better to be a big fish in a small pond then the other way around... get it? so if you got it good in the bay, keep it good in the bay... good luck dog

i thought i was hella good at djing. hahahhahahhahahah

(Laughing hard at DJ P's joke) Hahahahaa (Stop Laughing abruptly and starts looking under the sink for the hair growth pills)



huh...I thought the SF Bay Area was a big pond! Yup! Just checked SF bay Area is number 4 largest radio Market. That's a pretty big pond. But I see what you're saying.

Hey, but I don't have nothing to lose. I'll give it 6 months and see what happens. I may have to hold my own gigs!

EDM now is MUCH MORE comparable to Techno in the 90's than to Disco, even though it evolved from it. I really think the main starting point was the 80's Electro, which has a whole lot more in common.

But at the same time...it's funny that all the Genre titles get mixed up by some folks, which causes others to take offense. Most younger Rap/R&B only fans call EVERYTHING "techno" whether it's House, old Electro, or new EDM. And folks who are like Soul House, old Chicago House, take offense to that.

+1!!!

I can understand how they feel. I hate it when people see RnB and Rap as related genre's.

I just got back from Vegas and saw DJ Pauly D billboards everywhere. It sparked my curiosity... but I had to catch my flight back on Thurs. Damn, I missed the weekend.

Was in Vegas not too long ago, even though Pauly D is still a big name there, his draw has gone down and I been noticing that more people want that rap back and the EDM to chill

Who's Pauly D?

Gotta a homie name dj fatbox he moved from la to Vegas year ago and he gets so frustrated with no gigs but he won't tell us how up set he is with Vegas. And he a dam good dj. He was Coolio dj. But he dj on power 88 and every weekend he is no booked. He always is mad and deactivates his Facebook page. Now he talking about moving to Chicago. He thought he was go blow up out there.now he can't get a gig for shit. I would stay inthe bay of you got it good out there.it is times he won't even answer our calls cuz he gets so frustrated

And Pauly d is the dude from Jersey shores

Please tell him to go back to Coolio. I saw him like 2 years ago. Not only did I have to pay a tenner for fucking Coolio, there were 2 other dudes on stage just taking turns clicking the next track on the MBP, and then going back to hypeman duty.

I seriously couldn't even get drunk and enjoy myself.

That's deep

serious or joke?

Allow a Las Vegas DJ to chime in for a sec.
1) its ALL who you know, none of what you can do on the turntables
2) Doesn't really matter if you prefer open Hip-Hop or not because majority of the clubs want you to be an EDM DJ.
3) Even if you know the right people its hard to get gigs. If you're Black, its 5x as hard
I'll elaborate more if needed. And This is not coming from a bedroom DJ so I'm not complaining, just calling it like I see it.

Thanks KayPlaya, for your input. DId you grow up in Vegas?

qoute of the year right here!

I agree. "hookups" are the best ! I presently work for a boss who is no where qualified, but they got hooked up big time (day job).

In the Bay, one can make their own gigs. You just find a club that's running a little slow and ask them if you can hold a party there. You get the door, they get the Bar. Any of that happening down in Vegas?

WTF?? I hadn't heard him out here in a while but had no idea he moved to Vegas! He used to DJ at the Savoy, I know he was there for Monday Night Football. Damn, and that's wild that he went to Vegas...L.A. just seems like it's made for him to succeed.

That's garbage that it's that bad there, but I'm not surprised.

I'm surprised that he moved to Vegas as well, from LA unless you already had a serious hook up. I'd probably move to LA first, but I have a house in Las Vegas. Back in the day, I was getting offered gigs in LA without even living there!

Been here since 19, originally from Southern Cali and go back pretty often. I'd say that they way the club scene is ran in Vegas is truly like no other city.

Things To Consider:

Vegas is a corporate run city, every since they realized the value in the nightlife industry corporations have pretty much taken over. As of right now 2 different companies run maybe 75% of ALL the clubs & lounges in the casinos. If you can get into one of these companies you'll have steady work because the DJs get shuffled through the different clubs. But because there is such a high demand of DJs trying to get in, they don't pay as much as you'd like to think.

You can't just throw your own gigs here..... Unless you have plenty thousands of dollars to spare. Keep in mind this is a tourist run city, and these corporations have endless budgets. They'll pay AfroJack, Avicii, Steve Aoki etc 30k a night to spin, then spend another X amount of money promoting it. Most independent promoters can't compete with that.

A lot more to the issue but I'll spare everyone the 20 page write-up! All in all its ROUGH to get steady work here, but if you make it.. you made it

This is def true, Most club managers want you to be an EDM DJ.. But when you play Hip-Hop the crowd goes crazy. Just the case of too much of one thing will push you to the other.

KP!! What's good? I met you with D-Money at Hard Rock 2 weeks ago

REAL TALK..

Another thing I'd like to add is the amount of pressure management will put on DJ's while they're mixing. Example.. The first week I moved to Vegas I held a residence at Eye Candy. I was familiar with the format which at that time was hip hop/top.40/mashup. One night I remember really being in my zone and at the time "Buck In Here" was a big hit. When I dropped it in..The manager comes up to me screaming in my face,saying..." I thought I told you not play this ghetto shit here,change it now!!!"Mind you,I had never met the manager in my life nor did I h converse with him on what format he wanted,but considering the circumstances I quickly figured out that he was the boss. It pretty much killed my spirit for the rest of the night. The future nights I spun there it felt like I was walking on eggshells. Which is a total mind fuck in itself. This is very typical and happens on a regular basis. At times you just have suck up your pride and be a yes-man or stand your ground a get fired.;) Vegas baby Vegas.

Shit...I never thought of it like that, but yea that makes a LOOOOT of damn sense.

With L.A., I was able to break in once I started workin directly with promoters and organizations who do their own events...basically had to create my own lane. But in a tourist run city? Hell naw, no way to compete I'm sure.

I don't even know how people find out about clubs out there...if I hadn't talked to D-Money that night, I woulda ended up at Haze with BJ because I didn't know Kevin hart was even out there

No LA was just like this back b4 all this DVS stuff,

now most dj's dont fuck with alot of LA promoters cuz

1) we know who to and who not to deal with

2) we know its more money doing private gigs

3) the promoters know who they can get over on

4) but you got dj's that just wanna dj the club's and will do it for $100

My dude!! I remember, that was actually at Gallery in Planet Hollywood! Good times that night

I feel what you are saying on the aspect of not wanting to mess with certain promoters. The difference is at least you have the option to. In Vegas there are no independent promoters. People will organize events on occasions but nothing on the scale of how promoters have it in places like L.A. Keep in mind we're talking about corporate level business here. It gets cut throat. The best way I can explain a comparison scenario would be like this:

Google is arguably the most recognizable and used search engine in the world. Say a smaller search engine comes around and through niche marketing begin to gain popularity with a lot of internet users. Before Google sits back and lets the company get too big, they will offer to buy that entire company just to eliminate competition and ensure they have their hands in everything. Google would be the corporation running these clubs and the smaller search engines are the independent promoters. Once they realize a promoter is taking away from their attendance and is on the way to out performing their own venues, they're offering that promoter a job with a salary that would be hard to deny. Small promoter's crowd moves to one of the corporations venues where they already have their in house DJs in place. Corporation wins, small promoter gets a salary DJ loses a residency.

"we know its more money doing private gigs"- True but in Vegas were 75% of the place where you can through a party are owned by people who make a living throwing parties you don't have many venues at your disposal

"but you got dj's that just wanna dj the club's and will do it for $100" Thats the case here as well and trust me I've lost plenty of gigs to these DJs However here is the mind set of a lot of DJs: I'll charge the clubs in Vegas little to nothing so I can put these VEGAS MEGA CLUBS on my resume, so when I go to other cities I can charge twice as much! - Even though I'm not into undervaluing my worth, you can't argue with someone who has that logic. I don't follow it but damn.. its a good point. The average club goer don't give a damn if a DJ is an under cutter and gets his gigs by DJing for damn near free. All they know is they've heard of him before or he DJs in Vegas so he must be a good DJ.

Pardon my, lets see.. double post, the length of my post and the typos! I get passionate when discussing this DJ life and just go and go! Lol

That's definitely happening out here. That 25% of clubs lounges that aren't owned by the 2 majors, are definitely willing to work with people! Just a lot of politics and you have to have a damn good marketing plan to go against these crazy budgets. Not saying its impossible to succeed going this route, it just isn't probable giving the Dynamics of Vegas nightlife.

keep telling us about vegas man. very interesting stuff to consider man. seems so cutthroat there...

DJ Spair same shit happens in DC, managers will run up to you demanding you to change music. I remember playing some well known rock to try and spice things up...no manager ran up and demanded I keep the beat above 128 all night. He would make random spot checks on my serato decks to make sure the beat was above 128. Total buzz kills and it makes DJinh no fun I'm clubs anymore they turn you into a juke box but demand you have a following doing the same shit everyone else does.

oh well, i guess i dont feel as bad now when the club owner at my residency does the same shit in terms of micromanaging the playlist. if thats how it is in the bigger cities like DC and Vegas too, then i just gotta grow a thicker skin. it can definitely kill your spirit though.

Dayum! That is micromanaging! I played at some pretty big clubs in the bay and can't recall having that experience.

TRUTH.. Clubs hate letting these DJs have freedom! I have a friend who spins for one of the most popular clubs out here in Vegas. We were talking about how they get treated by management when the bomb shell was dropped... They have to SUBMIT A PLAYLIST of all the songs they want to play and before they play it, it has to actually be approved. There goes actually breaking records during your sets smh.

I wonder if music industry leaders are aware of this...not sure if they could influence change it. I think a lot of the new jacks who started undercutting really ruined the business. Owners have no idea who is legit anymore so that have to treat us all the same unless we are some big name act. The fact that I cant break a new track because the owner or manager on duty doesnt know the track is horeshit but I have been through it with more than a few.


Actually its happened in urban clubs were they get mad if you play anything remotely up tempo. I remember playing slight work by wale and I got the please change the tune now look because it was to fast.

or worse yet the owners that get mad when you get the party too cracking and you have to calm them down.

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this. I fucking hate that. Yeah it's a zoo but this is how we party. If it feels like a riot with no one getting hurt or property being damaged then it is what you call epic. Some club owners are scared to see everyone acting as one entity and being a dj, that's what we all try to do.
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a nickname that was given to DJ VIACOM

With #4, I'm always hearing about clubs going with the low ballers and undercutters, but for the promoters I've worked with, it seems like they prefer paying more for a DJ with whatever "following" vs. just going for who's cheapest. Now, if a DJ is cheap AND has a following, they probably win.

What was the DVS deal though?

What was the DVS deal though? This method allows DJs to scratch, beatmatch, and perform other turntablism that ... referred to as DVS for either Digital Vinyl System or Digital Vinyl Software.

in other words paris hilton cant dj. or a dj comes a dime a dozen crap.

This was posted on a friends FB today.

(I became a promoter when another promoter hired me to dj and promote a event for him a few years back, at the end of the night i went to get paid for my service and he said 'DJ'S COME A DIME A DOZEN I REALLY DIDN'T NEED YOU', and paid me what he wanted to pay me. That day i became a promoter and have been one ever since. Don't let anyone devalue your worth & what you bring to the table. I am a very Valuable DJ, Valuable Women, Valuable Mother, Valuable Wife, & Valuable PROMOTER that's why other promoters stop by my page to copy ideas from me, don't let the meekness fool you! Have a great day!)

Well said DJ Que! I believe Djs should always hold their own gigs, if at all possible. Get your online numbers up and hold smaller gigs. I have noticed a lot of 2nd tier casinos that would appreciate the business! It seems like this discussion has only talked about BIG clubs/casinos when there are a lot of smaller ones that have nothing going on on the weekend! If one Dj does not have a big following, get a half dozen on the bill and spin about 3-4 per night/weekend. What do you guys think?

Definitely an option. I think if a night is creative enough to bring the average person away from the bigger clubs CONSISTENTLY even in a smaller venue you have opportunity to do something big. I've just noticed that most locals will only do the "smaller clubs" pon occasions.. at the end of the day people are comfortable with these bigger clubs because they know what to expect as far as turn out. Loyalty to DJs here isn't as big as other cities I've notice. But like a said a creative and stand out night can definitely be successful

I have some ideas that may work and it would not, in any way, compete with the Big Clubs. Simply offer what they don't. If they mostly do EDM then there's little or no reason to play those. People will come just because they want something different.

We are not looking at a "Lion's Share" just something to make a name for ourselves and to continue to build a following. There are plenty of "mid tier" casinos with nothing going on at night. But, don't walk in there expecting to play Rap all night, because most club owners, even in the Bay Area are scared of that. Rap and Metal events seem to end up in drama more than something like Reggae, Danchall, Old school or world music.

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Definitely an option, and in theory a good plan. Not saying it won't work with competing against these big clubs just putting it out there that many have tried and many have failed. On the same note however, some of the most active DJs here in Vegas started their careers here doing exactly what you're suggesting. I wouldn't let the scene here discourage a DJ trying to break in to it, would just warm him that your game plan here has to be different than in most other markets

vegas blows!!!

Oh my your avi's are getting ridonkulous....man thats nice

That is a nice butt!

Ok, So where are you Vegas DJs spinning tonight? I wanna party tonight!

OK, I checked out some of the "Big" Clubs in Vegas and this is the Vibe I get from them.

1. The Clubs are not very big, but they are really nice (the ones I went to).
2. The DJs were not exceptional by any means, but they were good enough. I would not lose sleep over them stealing my job...lol.
3. DJ skills is not a priority in Vegas... In the SF Bay Area, club owners and patrons seem to be a little more critical about their music. I believe it's because people who hit the club sin Vegas are there to Party and have a good time, no matter what.
4. I believe there are DJ opportunities down here, but I would not be in a rush to get a gig, nor would I believe it should be your only source of income, no matter how good you are.

Which ones did you check out?



Don't be fooled, there are a lot of dope DJs in Vegas but their main focus is catering to the crowd rather than catering to other DJs. I also have a little bit of a disagreement with your post #3. In the Vegas clubs the managers are very critical about music and have no problem talking shit to while you are DJing if you are doing a bad job or not playing with they feel the crowd wants or what fits their venue. I have heard some pretty intense stories about this happening.



If the DJ is making the really good money ($1000 and up a night) then they should be focusing on DJing as a real career. But then again if they are making that kind of money then they already know it.

Rebel, Thanks for your input. Here's my replies.

>>Which ones did you check out?

I can only say on the strip, Sunday night. I don't wanna put any DJs on "front street".

>>Don't be fooled, there are a lot of dope DJs in Vegas but their main focus is catering to the crowd rather than catering to other DJs.

Catering (reading) the crowd and not mixing "on the one" are two different things. There are some basics on mixing that anyone who calls themselves a pro dj should have. I do not think anyone should DJ a certain way. When I go out, I don't judge a DJ at all. But, as a customer, I know when the party is rocking or not. If anything, because I'm a DJ I'll give a DJ more love them the crowd. I'm sure you've been to a party when the DJ is tearing it up, but no one is dancing or they don't seem that enthused.

>> In the Vegas clubs the managers are very critical about music and have no problem talking shit to while you are DJing if you are doing a bad job or not playing with they feel the crowd wants or what fits their venue. I have heard some pretty intense stories about this happening.

That really sucks! I did not explain myself in enough clarity. I do believe the Club owners are VERY critical...VERY!!! But, not as far as mixing and cutting skills go. They seem (from what i have heard) to be VERY VERY critical about play list. However, it does not seem like the crowd care that much about how well you mix as I feel they do in the Bay.In the Bay, I have heard Party people come up to me and break down my whole evening ( i.e. I like the way you went into this jam and then dropped in that mix and brought it back). I mean they are listening to your every mix, scratch and selection, like they are watching a tennis match or a pool game.

>>>If the DJ is making the really good money ($1000 and up a night) then they should be focusing on DJing as a real career. But then again if they are making that kind of money then they already know it.

I feel you 100% on this one!

RebelGuy has pretty much got it down as far as the Vegas nightlife! Nothing more to add other than I completely agree.

However TorchMusic you are pretty correct on a few things.. 1 being DJ SKILL is not a top priority in Vegas, playlist is more important here than anything. That goes for both the crowd and management in some cases. I've been to clubs where the DJ couldn't actually "DJ" to save his/her life, but the music selection was right so the crowd was forgiving. That always blows my mind and I'm not one of those critical DJs. 2 the people here ARE ready to party so they have already made their mind up about being on the dance floor all night before they hear the DJ. I spin in a restaurant here and it is more challenging then when I spin in the club.. Why? because people in the club come to dance, in the restaurant I have to give them a reason to dance!

But one of the draws of DJing in one of these "Big" clubs is dealing with the management, and in some cases they are the least bit hesitant about expressing their opinions on your ability to do your job as a DJ

^THIS - this & this!!! Bro - perfectly said! There so many spots I know of right now, specially in the S.F. bay area, that are suffering from an identity crisis.. There's no lighting system to be seen, and a sub-par sound system also, that does not give people in there on the weekends any idea that there's dancing in the venue. It does make a DJ's job more difficult IMO. I never knew how important something as a lighting system can be, then to be in a place without one.

I hate DJing restaurants LOL! It's too casual! Don't get me wrong, I have "rocked em", but I still had to work to do it. Everyone is usally in a different mindset (like what's on the menu).

i know a dude who dropped foam at a chi chis!

You want guacamole with that foam?

Nicely put! It takes me about a half an hour of mixing at most of my gigs before people even realize that the music is NOT going to stop! There are no breaks, no dead silence spots, and no goofy transitions from hip-hop to country songs. I'm not going to announce every song that I play and I'm probably not going to play the entire crappy song that you requested (usually the hook or a verse or two just to get it out there - Ice Ice baby is a 5 minutes song... 4 minutes too long IMO).

Most of my work is at weddings, but I get hired specifically to mix and keep the dance floor packed. But, it seems that most guests are there for social hour, not dancing. Once the floor gets rolling, it's fine. But DJ Torchmusic said - it's work!

Weddings can be a lot of fun. More so when there are some cuties in the crowd to talk to. I've had the most luck, simply playing requests all night. I love dinner time, I just put on a mixed CD with some cool slow jams and jazz and chill with the guests.

Back to Vegas,

Where are all the open mike/talent shows at?

Excuse me for sounding square or old school. But, what does "Drop Foam" mean? LOL

lol.he set up a foam machine in it to drop foam on the crowd.cant make this up

I lived in vegas for 12 years in total , never as a dj, but i can tell you this......the entire town is ALL about who you know...... You just have to get the ear of the right person.....And get the strippers/hookers to go to your party LOL

Anyone remember the foam partys at The Drink? Or the parties at club utopia?

Thanks for that input, Youth! I guess I better get to know people!

What Dj controller to most of the Vegas clubs use? Is there some pattern or is it random?

Never seen any dj's use controllers in vegas

With all the EDM going on in Vegas, none on the DJs use the NS7/6, 4Trak, PIO DDJ, etc?

Mostly cdjs

I thought CDJs were played out by now. I have been playing on those things ever since Vynil was still the thing.

It just depends on the Djs preference. Most of the edm guys use CDJ 2000's. However I've seen a few with the Traktor controllers.

Vinyl still IS the thing! LOL

That's good to hear, but I'm surprised to hear that! I guess if you have a residency it's cool, But, if I have to travel around, I would prefer to run with the laptop and a controller.

I assume most of the EDM DJs use Traktor since it does 4 decks. I was thinking about getting that new Numark controller for traktor. I like CDJs, I used them ever since the 500g. But, I don't see the reason for using them, more so if you're gonna just use them to control your DJ software. Maybe some still use CDs with enhanced wave files, I don't know.

its pretty simple from what i have gathered off of watching many EDM videos on dancetrippin.tv - a lot of the DJ's are using Traktor with a X1 or F1 (or 2) a mixer and Auto-sync... then u have ones who are using CDJ 2000's or 900's linked with a thumb drive or external (example: Carl Cox, Armand Van Heldon)... u get the random ones who are using Traktor with vinyl (example: Marco Carola), but very few... and even fewer who are using Serato - & I mean a VERY small percentage.

Pioneer...what a trip 2K for the 2K. My opinion is there's not enough "separation" between other controllers to justify it's price IMO. I'm leaning towards the 4Trak or NS7.

Why the ns7? That thing is not very mobile and it is going to be hard to find new right now since a lot of places are out of stock. What about the pioneer ddj or traktor kontrol s2 and s4?

Just found an NS7 for 700 new in Philly. I like it better than most controllers based off of feel

I'm not a big fan of plastic. More so expensive plastic..

The NS7 is not very mobile but it is more mobile than a pair of 1200s and a mixer. It's about as mobile as a pair of CDJs and a mixer. The NS6/4Trak is the right mix between a pro controller and being portable. I like the Jog wheels on the Pioneers, but the I/O is somewhat in question. Out of all of them, the NS7 looks the most professional and would give that impression the best. Only to be upstaged by the N7s and a high end mixer.

OK, back to the Vegas Scene. What's up with the lack of talent shows?

Back from a brief break!



I'd also like to add that I've never seen any EDM DJ use anything other than a pair of CDJ-2000 in the clubs. For whatever reason controllerism is not very big here. I've personally even only seen traktor in a action a few times

Did they use the cdj's in conjunction with a laptop or strictly using cds?

I've seen it equally both ways.. A good amount of people using ableton also. Probably seen ableton controllers more than tracktor/serato controller use

Are you talking about headliners or resident djs? A resident dj should NOT be using Ableton

Does it crash a lot?

no, but it's used for playing pre-made sets. Hit play and proceed to twist knobs all night...

Speaking of Vegas. Presto One and I will be playing at Vanity next Friday. Check out this video of him last week. Watchwww.youtube.com

Was that new order he was mixing ? The club look hella packed! I'm a try to make it down there is there a guest list?

Anybody in Vegas Sunday - Tuesday? I'm there for the Project Tradeshow & Rick Ross show.

Where at? I'm down for that! If there's a link, Please add it!

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Is there a rule about not being able to do live remixing if you're a resident i don't know about? And are you also saying its OK for the headliner who gets paid twice as much as the resident and 5x as much promo to use ableton and "button-push" all night, but the practice is completely unacceptable for the person who does all the work and gets almost none of the love compared to the headliner?! Lol.

I never said they're using ONLY ableton, just saying not too much controllersim happeing in Vegas from what I've seen.. if people are incorporating controllers into their sets it's ableton controllers..

I'm about to rock a numark controller at my gigs. I hope I don't get dissed.

I immediately assumed ONLY Ableton... Residents should be doing live remixes (Ableton not necessarily required). What I meant is they shouldn't only be using Ableton to play their set. We all know some headliners that exclusively use this and do get paid tons more than the resident. I'm not saying it's OK and have little to no respect for headliners that do this (as "djs")

I know its not vegas but i have my first big casino gig tonight.....its def all about who you know! Lol

How did your Gig turn out? Belated congratulations! I heard the same thing said last night from a woman who sings professionally. It seems to be the "motto" for Vegas and I'm sure, much of the entertainment industry. You could almost say for any walks of life "who you know" means more than how good you are. Even in dating! LOL

Thanks bro! It wasnt in vegas but it was a big name venue and long story short.....completley blew it. Prob the poorest set ive done in years, i went way to far in my head, put to much pressure on myself, overthought everything...and to make it worse the set i did back at my normal venue would have kiiiiiiled with that crowd. Live and learn. It was still a cool experience though.

Thanks bro! It wasnt in vegas but it was a big name venue and long story short.....completley blew it. Prob the poorest set ive done in years, i went way to far in my head, put to much pressure on myself, overthought everything...and to make it worse the set i did back at my normal venue would have kiiiiiiled with that crowd. Live and learn. It was still a cool experience though.

You did learn something. Never change up on anything when you're on a new gig. Don't change your style, music, equipment...even wear the same cloths. Unless the club plays a different Genre', you want to start out with your most comfortable set that you have rocked the crowd with over and over again. Don't try to make any "high difficulty" mixes and only add new Jams that you saw other DJs use on other nights at the same venue that had the crowd screaming'. Keep it safe and keep it simple on the first gig at new spots.

Just wanted to add that this has been a really interesting topic. Shout out to all the Vegas guys dropping some knowledge about the scene out there. Like all things in life, gotta network to get far.

Casino's (Nightclubs inside Casnio's) don't book rap or hip-hop acts anymore in fear of having to flip the bill for police, firefighter's and city fines if any violence breaks out. Anytime you see someone like Lil Jon advertised at a nightclub it's always for a DJ SET. Pitbull just played here in Vegas 2 weeks ago but he played 10 miles off the strip at Red Rock Casino.

Here is what I found online.

In 2005, Sheriff Bill Young called on casinos to ban all hip-hop and gangsta rap artists from performing in Vegas. He cited a number of violent incidents related to such concerts. The Gaming Control Board weighed in, warning the casinos that they would now be held responsible for any “hip-hop-related” violence that occurred on their premises. While the casinos put up a fight publicly, they quietly started canceling concerts featuring rappers, and stopped scheduling future shows as well. Critics of the new policy rightly pointed out that alcohol is responsible for more violence than hip-hop concerts, but no one in Vegas was trying to ban that.

That sucks. Just shows the state of the hip hop scene in the clubs. I wish I can go back to the 90s where Hip Hop was the mainstream. When you can throw on A Tribe Called Quest, Wu-Tang, 2pac, Biggie, etc etc and the crowd would go crazy. In a positive way. lol. Now all this ignorant rap attracts ignorant people.

That is so true DJ Sainte!

Let me break it down! Unfortunately, Rap music has had a negative effect on clubs for a long time, not only in Vegas, but in the Bay Area too. I have worked for several clubs that went to the "mostly Rap" format in their clubs and in many cases, enough incidents happened that the clubs were either shut down or became a "ghost town"(empty).

Let me break it down again! It's not "Rap's" fault! Who in the world made the rule to play it ALL night? Rap is exciting, vicious, creative, powerful and sometimes violent. Rap is music and all music affects people emotionally. Too much of anything is bad for you, so what makes Rap so different?

What has happened in Vegas, that I've noticed is the "rubber band effect". Theory "If rap causes violence then let's not play Rap"...All of it. What most club owners don't understand is that there are several sub Genre's of Rap and they provoke a different vibe all together.

1. Gangster Rap (usually less musical that other Genres with the exception of Metal and EDM).
2. Sex Rap (same as above, but the topic is mostly about sex)
3. Enlightenment Rap (Mos Def, Common, Jay Z, etc) <--usually has a NEO Soul flavor to it.
4. 30 plus rap (Nelly, Common, Missy, snoop's newer stuff, etc) <--grown fokes rap.

#3&4 can be played all night with little or no incidents.
#1 has closed more clubs than all of the others combined
#2 raises testosterone...what happens when you mix that with some drink and you're not getting some?

Exactly! No ones gonna get mad over some Tribe!

Where are the hot spots on Tuesday night here in Vegas? I'm bored and I don't feel like making beats tonight.

hit up spyonvegas

I think that hip hop should just be regulated better instead of being eliminated. Playing snoop or jay-z is completely different then playing waka flaka or 2 chainz.

That's exactly what I'm saying. But I'm also saying there's no reason to play all rap all night.

Dayum...now I'm getting sleepy... If I can get up in time, I may check out one of these industry Parties.

I just got back from Project. DJ Franzen spun at Cathouse on Sunday and Monday at the Rick Ross / Tyga Reebok show. Had a good time.

Dang!!! I missed it!!!

It was at capacity well before it started. People on the list couldn't even get in at one point.

I always wonder why promoters always underestimate the size of a crowd? Don't they lost money? Rick Ross is a pretty big name. You probably could have rented out a convention center or something.

I ended up going to Blue Martini last night. nice atmosphere, the DJ was acceptable and the service was good. I have no complaints. I thought someone was holding a talent show tonight. has anyone heard of it?

This was a private event from Reebok and Complex Magazine just was on the roof at Pure. I work with Reebok so we were good but between the Reebok/Complex staff, media, and celebs it was super tight. Probably 700-800 people I'd say.

Sounds Cool. I wish I would have gone.

DJ sound off. Where's the party at tonight?

All this talk about vegas makes me wanna head out there.

Its worth a look

I think I'm gonna pick up a Numark 4track tomorrow. Will I have any regrets? I was also considering a used NS7.

I like that NS7. Really the only controller I used that I was comfortable with from the jump.

I like it too. I truly believe it's the best controller made. The only issue is size and weight (nearly double compared to the 4trak/NS6).

I've got a refubished NS6 for sale. A button needed to be replaced and it hasn't been used since I got it back. It was only used maybe 8 times prior. It was just a freak accident or something. I was in a desperate need of another NS6 for a gig so I bought another one to replace the one getting the button replaced. I actually got the NS6 back in less than a week. I also live in Vegas.

Email or pm me. I'm interested, if the price is right

It's still lighter than 1 turntable though right?

The NS7 weighs 36 lbs
The 4Trak weights 15lbs
Technics 1200 series weights about 26lbs

If you're coming from Vynil, it's a no brainer to get the NS7. It still weighs a lot less than two Technics, mixer and coffin and it will fit into any car.

But, it's not what I call "casual pro" gear. When you lug this around, it will look funny and if you fly a lot, it could be an issue (carry on and what not).

I'm projecting that I may get a few gigs here, LA and the Bay Area, when I get my self in full swing again. When that happens, carrying a NS6/4Trak around would make life a lot easier even though the turntable experience is degraded.

In the Bay Area, most of the clubs don't have their own DJ equipment and many times not even a DJ booth. So, people can see what you're spinning on. In a case like that, I would prefer the NS7 because it looks more professional and the spinning platters look more "authentic". you look less like a "button pusher" and more like a "mix master".

I forgot to add and correct me if I'm wrong. Most of the Clubs in Vegas (medium to major) have their own DJ gear and a DJ booth. It's common to see CDJs in them and the average patron/groupie in Vegas can't see or does not care what the DJ is spinning on. So, the smaller/lighter the better. So, it seems like, in Vegas, I would not "lose money" spinning on a compact controller.

I messed around once with an NS7 at a GC waiting for a friend, & in IMO, thought it was an absolute piece of shit gear. had jankiness written all over it. then again - I think all of Numarks gear is of bush league quality anyways.

Lol!!! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I have enjoyed several different pieces of Numark gear that have done the job for me. CDC, hdx, ns7. This is coming from someone you used a lot a pioneer before that.

had a DJ friend that used a Mixtrack Pro to do a mellow weekday gig at a bar with no equip & no booth - one of the play buttons broke after only 4 nights!!! total shit. Numark is just todays version of Gemini's... people should just STAY AWAY! lol!

Not really. We just bring our latpops ,accessories and plug in and play. All the big clubs still have Technics 1200's. I know XS and Surrender have moved on to CDJ 2000's. At the end of the day it's not what you play. Its what you play and how you play it. Programming is everything out here.

Thanks for that info, DJ Spair.

I prefer to play on what I practice on. Do the clubs have any space allotted for those DJs who want to bring in their own controller, if it differs from what they're used to? I can spin on CDJs well. But, I just like to be completely familiar with my gear I spin on Live.

Numark is crap. Get the pioneer ddj-s1 instead

I checked it out and it's good too much plastic for my taste. It's not even "good plastic". I feel your view. But, The DDJ is plastic, less inputs, less outputs and looks cheesy compared to the Numarks. It gets beat on almost every front with the exception of the CDJ jog wheels, which I would probably like better. If there's something I'm missing, let me know?

If you a superstar DJ than yes. Otherwise your just going to piss off the sound man because they will have to disconnect things in order to accommodate you.

Skills wise, I would say that I am (super start DJ). But, realistically, I'm just a "new guy" in Las Vegas. If most of the clubs are fitted with CDjs, it would only make sense to get a Pioneer controller, since they use CDJ like jog wheels on them.

I know my gig wasnt a vegas casino but it was a vegas propeety, dont know how much of a crossover that is, but for my gig they gave my a choice, they had 2 techs 2 cdjs, a pioneer 800, and a 57. They also told me i "could" bring my own but that was only due to the resident dj gave a good word on me as legit...they knew i wouldnt bring bs. Another thing to consider is i believe the resident talked them into having 2nd options for features. It felt daaaamn nice only havin to bring laptop needles and slipmats!

I bought some of the first CDJs ever made (which were horrible). I Also had a pair of CDJ 1000 MKII for a while (which were exceptional). But, this was a time when CDs were the only option and computer based file management was not thought about. But today, with programs such as serato, it seems like the newer CDJs are grossly overpriced for their actual value as it pertains to Pro DJ audio. I just can justify buying any player/controller for nearly 1800.00 x 2=3600.00 just for decks! Can someone please explain why these decks seem to be more popular than other controllers in Las Vegas clubs? What do they do that other controllers don't (other than the ability to spid CDs/Media)?

I meant to say, I just cannot justify>

I don't quite understand when you say and I quote "But, this was a time when CDs were the only option" Option for You or the DJ industry as a whole? As far as the controllers go They are all very new. The clubs have already invested in Turntables,CDJ's Pioneer 800s,TTM 57. Which 99.9% of us DJs use when we play out here. No need for them to invest in controllers. I'm also curious how powerful the amps are in some of these all in ones. They can't be stronger than an 800.

Ok, I get it now. I assume they invested in the CDJs before there were any good pro type controllers available.

I don't quite understand when you say and I quote "But, this was a time when CDs were the only option" Option for You or the DJ industry as a whole?

Back in the early 90's you did Vinyl or Cds, Vinyl. No Serato or Traktor. I almost forgot, folks were still doing cassette tapes too.

Spair...You from Oakland? I'm from the "O"! I spent 20 years there!

glad im not the only one that thinks so.

you guys should see the ns7 they have at my guitar center. the paint is peeling off, the faders are all loose and wiggly. looks terrible.

Same thing at my old store.

LMAO!!! CMON Fellas!

I appreciate your input, but you must realize that wear is from the amount of "abusive" customers have played with the NS7. I've also seen trashed CDJs, DDJs, 1200 MK2, etc at music stores (more so GC).

I did hear there's an issue with the NS6's accuracy with the pitch, which concerns me.

Controllers belong in bars and mobile gigs not in the clubs. Thats just my opinion. Dj's need to learn how to use other gear and feel comfortable enough to use anything.

Glad I'm not the only one thinking this throughout the whole thread....

No offense DJTorchMusic, no doubt you have skills and all, but it seems like you're a little out of touch with the game these days. The general consensus on this forum is that there ARE NO PROFESSIONAL CONTROLLERS out there right now. They are priced and marketed at bedroom and bar djs, and mobile djs looking for lightweight functional gear. Club djs rock turntables/CDJs and stand-alone mixers because they give the best control of the best software solutions...

We continue to wait for a Rane controller!

by "out of touch", I mean your immediate assumption was that residents djs in Vegas use controllers


my immediate assumption would be the complete opposite, that no resident djs in Vegas use controllers. They even put Paris Hilton in front of a set of CDJs...

I disagree logistically - (midi controllers for music production has been used for 20 years. It's about time that the DJ industry has attempted to introduce their controllers.

If you're using Serato/Traktor it's STUPID to be forced to use a 2x2000 decks to merely manipulate wavs. I don't mind overlapping duties. But, I DO mind paying a premium for those features I will not use because my laptop is handling the majority of those duties.

I DO AGREE: Controllers are not where they should be.

To me Pioneer was the biggest disappointment, when it comes down to controllers and allowed Numark to compete vigorously with them.

All Pioneer needed to do is crush two CDJs 1000s jog wheels together along with a DJM into a single box and call it a day. Instead they opted to "GO CHEAP".

I believe numark has done a better job with the controllers than Pioneer, but I don't think Pioneer is done yet. Well, maybe so! If people continue to buy their over priced CDJs to control Serato then, maybe PIO will just "chill".

LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR:

I played on Pioneer decks for 20 years (since the 500g). I know what I'm talking about. If I see a pair of CDJs in a club, I'm good and If I see a pair if N7s, I'm not gonna put my nose up to them either. I would prefer the Pioneers CDJs, just because I'm more familiar with them, but I'm not going to talk smack about the N7s either and I can see someone making an equal argument for them as well.

Since most of the Vegas clubs have CDJs and all I have to do is bring my laptop, then I assume I will be using, whatever I buy, as "practice decks". Is this correct?

definitely. I have always found CDJs to be overly priced. I've always used 1200s, and have never paid more than $1000 for a pair, new or used. I still think they offer the best control, the controller platters just don't cut it imo
exactly! a djm-800 interface with two CDJ jogwheels would get the job done! I can only imgaine the price tag...

no doubt, I never questioned your skills or experience, you made that clear. As a 1200 user, I would turn my nose up to an NS7 in the club. I can use CDJs if I need to, but I do hate to compromise with mixers. Rane is king in my books. Pioneer will do, and I'll put up a fuss on an Allen & Heath. Numark? That was my first $50 mixer, I can't see myself going back there lol

Regardless, all the best in Vegas my dude. Sounds like your on the right track. I was just surprised that you assumed the clubs there would be controller dominated...

have they made a contoller with a booth out yet?lol

Numark NS& , NS6 and 4Trak all have booth outs.

I have to admit, I thought they did! More so that EDM is King. I thought EDM DJs would eat up those controllers. I'm obviously wrong.

In regards to Mixers you are also correct. Numark has made some decent mixers, but Rane is king, followed by A&H and then Pioneer. If things go really well here for me, I will "invest" into some CDJ 2000s and DJM. But, until I really get a Vibe from the Market down here, I want to focus my big money into my music beat making/music production.

Thanks for your good will.

You hit is exactly DJM 800 and CDJ 1000+ jog wheels. I'd pay 2500.00 for it no problem. I would not even blink.

yep,born & raised.

Right on

Ok, I took a long look at the NS6 and for a "rehearsal " piece it should be cool. I want something that I can setup quickly and lug around without too much drama. The Pio ddj lost because the jog wheels are nothing like the dim 900/1000/2000 and the numark was more compact and solid.

I'll end up getting CDJs, but for now the NS6 should be cool.

Hey...What do you fellas think about the Denon SC3900 ?

@djtorchmusic

guys that play Techno are embracing controllers hard ! but mostly the modular stuff like x1,reloop countour,allen and heath K1 ,but not the full on package of decks and mixer , most house DJ's sticks to cdj's with thumbdrives or traktor (im in indonesia , and outside of the hiphop scene there's currently 2 house DJ's using serato in the national dj scene *facepalm )

as someone who dabbles in the "EDM (that word is soo overrated)" i dont see any pro DJ will be embracing the full on controller , zedd and porter robinson use an S4 though but mainly because i think they doesnt start their career as a DJ , lot of pro DJ's still prefer the tactile control of cdj's/turntables and mixer

That would make sense that Porter uses a S4. He seems to use a lot of NI (native instrument) stuff and if you're not used to the turntable concept, it makes sense to be "controller based".

Pretty good in my opinion. It has the moving platter resistance which helps for cutting and releasing. Which seems so awkward on non moving platters jog wheels and what not. I wouldn't be surprised if Panasonic were to re-introduce a revamped version of the Technics SLDZ.

I have a pair of Numark HDX's. I'm still using them since it's the next closet thing I can use without bringing out the 1200's. Numark straight up dropped support big time when they didn't sell well (like it never existed).

I had a pair of these as well, hell I still have one that I never use and can't seem to get rid of. The other one died on me in the middle of a gig and I had to get by with just using one, since it was before I had a legit back up system.

Thankfully I had the warranty on it, but since Numark wasn't making them anymore and dropped support just like you said they simply cut me a check for what I paid for it. Shame, because that piece of gear had a lot of potential. Too bad the software that ran it was horrible and took forever to scan the library and create its database.

This is the reason I stayed away from Numark gear for a while, but I'd be lying if I said the NS7 wasn't tempting. I have the DDJ-S1 now and I like it for the most part but it has its shortcomings too, mainly the overall feel of the build quality. I think I'm going to wait a few months and see what the next generation of controllers looks like and then possibly upgrade at that point depending on what's out there.

Like echa said, I think it's still going to take some time before controllers are openly welcomed and accepted as a legitimate replacement for 1200's or CDJ's. They're getting better in my opinion but they still have a way to go.

I personally haven't used the SC3900's but I've heard good things.

There's also a SC2900 which is an exact replica of the CDJ 1000.2000. Man it looks good! At half the price...hmmmmm

We;ve been talking Decks for so long. I forgot to ask about the most common mixers used in the Vegas clubs. Would you say it's the DJM 800 or Rane or is it so random that its not worth getting into? If there's one thing that has thrown me off is getting used to a new layout and settings on an unfamiliar mixer (mostly 4+ channel mixers).

Love me some Rane 62 ,but for now im on the DJM900

The 62 is dope, the 900 isn't too bad, but the control of the 62 is the ish. I watched Paul Van Dyke perform one song with Plumet the other week at the promo only party and he had a spaceship of controls with 2 laptops, but only used one keyboard controller and one laptop. But it still looked a lot better than him using a little controller and pushing play. I agree with Echa.

Echa, I'll be in Bali, in a week or so, check your PM.

I'll look into the 62 later on, If the Denon does not work for me. But, unless someone has had a bad experience they would like to tell me about the Denon 3900/2900s. I may go with them for "rehearsal decks". Also, The Numark V7s seem to be a viable option too. But, after some thought, I realize that I wouldn't be too comfortable with a "pure controller" in a professional platform because you are depending on your software to keep the party going. Any we all know how software can get! So, If I do bring decks to a live gig, it will most likely be something with a media management system connected to it (Denon vs Pioneer).

From what I've seen, nothing but Pioneer 800s & Rane 57's in a lot of the clubs.

Side note: I use a Rane 62 at the radio station I spin for. After around 2 months of use the effects and cue buttons either stopped responding or started caving in. Either way they don't work. Took to this forum to research the issue and found that it was a fairly common issue. Looking for a new mixer personally and am leaning toward the DJM-900 because of that

I just picked up a Denon DN-X1600 and It seems to have received rave reviews. If I knew the Pioneer was a lot better, I may have gone that way. But, spending 1000.00 more to get what maybe is a slightly better mixer in ways that don't matter to me, was a huge waste of money.

Back to the Vegas Scene!

Where is everyone throwin' down this weekend and If you're not throwin' down, where are you gonna party at?

Hey fellow DJs!

I'm currently one of the finalist in the Beezo Mix Contest, and I'm asking all of my friends, family, and DJs that I know, for their support by voting for my mix.

If you have a moment could you please vote for my mix titled "Beezo Contest Mix"- Spin Master J

I'd appreciate the help! Hope all is well!

www.beezo.net

^^^^SHAMELESS PLUG AGAIN?

Damn I asked a buddy of mine to help me message people personally only on my Facebook.

I'm truly sorry for this spam, this will not happen again! I'm going to reply this to each thread he went through.

Once again, I apologize for the spam.

Had I know about this before hand, I would of never done it. I just caught this right now.

I'm truly sorry for the spam

Or agreed for him to post everywhere.

I'm at Holsteins tonight inside the Cosmopolitan. Its a restaurant/bar/lounge that is located directly across from Club Marquee. A lot of people stop in before and after hitting the club and it attracts a lot of people because you can hear me spinning while trying to get into Marquee. I'm there tonight, tomorrow then again on Monday

Cool.

That sounds like my Kinda club. I like "speakeasy" type spots. My game seems to be better there than in crowded dark clubs with super loud music. I'm in Northern CA, right now. But, I'll make it a point to make it there when I get back. What's the music Genre' you'll be playing?

I play a little bit of everything there. Its right across from a big EDM club so I definitely play a lot of that but I play Hip-Hop, old school, Top 40.. whatever I think is gonna keep the people dancing & drinking!

Is there a cover?

OK DJs! Where are you all gonna be at this weekend and next week? I'm going to be back in town to work on a few beats and play with my new DJ mixer! I've been watching a lot of Vegas club videos on you tube and I can tell my DJ style is a lot different. It seems like a lot of DJs use a lot of effects, while I choose to mess around with the decks a little more. It's all good though and very interesting. I have to admit. You'll talked me out of the NS6 and the NS7, but I still have the V7s on my mind. I would not say because they are not "Pro" but not good for a Club application because sooner or later a laptop may act up. If that happens with a dedicated controller of any kind, more than likely you will not be working that club no more! So, media decks are the way to go! I still think the controllers are cool as a "supporting cast" but, one computer crash a year is too many, when it comes to Djing in a large club.

In reference to CDJ-2000s. I'm sorry! that's just too much money for decks that are already at the clubs. The CDJ 1000s would be good enough or the Denons. That's unless you do a lot of live gigs with your own gear and still CDJ 1000s are just fine if you're using serato anyways!

Just my two dollars are fifty cents.

what about cdj850's?

Great suggestion. They're good practice decks since they do rekordbox and allow you to setup your music and use them on the CDJ 2000 at the club. Even though I like the SC3900 better, the CDJ 850 and even the 900 are more practical, since I can just take a usb stick to the clubs and do my thing.

OK, Back to the Vegas Scene! Does anyone know of any "poppin' Tuesday Night spots that don't charge an arm and a leg for cover? I'm not cheap, but why spend a lot just to chill for maybe an hour and leave?

I'd like to thank everyone for your input in reference to the Vegas clubs. Your knowledge and information was very helpful.