i'd support this feature, even tho you can pretty easily make a cuepoint for where the start is to help you get there it would be nice to have it beginning right on the beat, or a second before it

Yep' We need it !! :)

I definately support this feature!

what about an option to go straight to the first cue point on load in relative mode?

That would be great Sam!

Ye I suggested that awhile back, that would be cool.

Eeks, I want something like this in absolute mode. Wouldnt be too hard to either strip the audio off from the beginning to the first cue point...

Or lets say you have the start offset (as it works right now) set to one minute, now all the audio is cut off till the first cuepoint and the first cue point is tied to the 1st minute marker on the vinyl (as the offset is at one minute), now you can even make it possible to get to the audio before the first cue point, cause there is still some control vinyl prior to the first minute marker. Anyone understands what I am saying?

I see more advantages in relative mode: you can drop anywhere on the vinyl and you're que'd at the right spot ... ain't nothing gonna be faster than that. If you don't have to search, why use absolute ...

just my 2 cents.

Thats a good point. Well.. I still want to search and needle drop but at the same time I want all my downbeats to be at the same sticker position. While using real vinyls you had stickers for each record, but now with SSL you only have one sticker for all songs, so the only way to "orientate" songs would be to adjust the songs.

Maybe they'll give us both options :)

Its a pity that more and more functions get implemented which can only be used in relative mode :-(

We need a combined relative absolute mode :)

absolutely agreed :P

keep absolute as it is now (real vinyl emualation), and implement a new mode with all bells and whistles, tight scratch/juggling tracking and needle drop enabled...

this mode would be the real RELATIVE mode. the current relative mode would be named SKIPLESS MODE.

this way, we would have:

ABS - REL SKIPLESS - INT

sorry

ABS - REL - SKIPLESS - INT

Why is that?
Is it because relative mode is not as 'tight'? (Sticker drift?)
If we could remove that problem, would you be happy that these features were only in relative mode?

i've heard of some new mode talk in the future from reading thru the forums. "battlemode" or something, i think it would lean towards what your talking about BC. I do think what nik says is a good idea, not sure where to build it into the interface, maybe just a ctrl+shift+1st cue button to set the mp3cue in the tag like you can adjust the level for each mp3.

just my $0.02 - but i would want this feature in Absolute mode as well. i dont really use relative when mixing

why not?

Cause I need instant access to the whole track. While I mix and cue its just a hassle to move my hands back from the record to the laptop to cue or press buttons.

personally I've pretty much given up on absolute mode, but that is mainly because I can't use the features in absolute.
If we had a new absolute mode, where the track could be offset on the fly, I would probably go back to absolute to get the needle dropping and loose the sticker drifting.

This would make all new features accesible in absolute mode. Hitting a cue point would simply offset the track by the difference between the current position and the cue point position.

I also like Nik's idea of loading a track so that the first cue falls on the first minute marker.

mmm for me, relative is the way to go when mixing. no skips, cue points, faster first beat cueing, censor...

but it has an important downward when scratching/juggling hard: "sticker drift".

on the other way, absolute is the way to go when scratching/juggling hard but it has an important downward: no cue points allowed, and this is no good when battling or performing very fast juggling routines (you know, you cant put stickers on the record groove as battle djs put in normal records).

BUT, if relative didnt suffer sticker drift issue... it would be awesome for both mixing and juggling. then, i would see no need for another new mode.

as i said, i prefer to improve relative mode tracking response when juggling than adding new features to absolute mode. IMHO, absolute has to be a real vinyl emulation, no bells and whistles at all...

Ye I agree should absolute should stay the way it is to please some of the 1983 heads on here giving out about new features.

nik point is important also, with absolute, you dont have to use the laptop to access to the whole track. this is the main advantage of needle dropping, instant cueing without using the keyboard nor mouse.

and thats the reason why relative (skipless) sometimes becomes annoying when mixing... think about CD decks, ttables are more comfortable to use because of needle dropping. you can cue any point at anytime.

exactly. i want to avoid touching the laptop as much as possible. i need needle dropping..... especially cueing up the same song to the other deck to do tricks. in fact, have this feature in both modes. sometimes i rip a cd where they decide to have a mini skit before the song starts (all on 1 track) and i wanna avoid having to edit this in Cubase. or sometimes there's a few seconds of talk or intro that you will never use when mixing in a song - havin this feature will load the song directly to the first beat.

yes, offset track start point, saved with the tag.


q: why does the marker cause the sticker to replace to 12:00?