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Swedish House Mafia is no more?
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Swedish House Mafia is no more?
limb
10:51 AM - 24 June, 2012
Just noticed the message on their website about their decision. They decided to stop after their last tour. What do you think guys?
www.swedishhousemafia.com
www.swedishhousemafia.com
dj_soo
11:40 AM - 24 June, 2012
so now it will just be one of them pressing play on a cd and pretending to DJ instead of all 3?
DJ_X_Trodinaire
12:06 PM - 24 June, 2012
LoL
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so now it will just be one of them pressing play on a cd and pretending to DJ instead of all 3?LoL
limb
5:02 PM - 24 June, 2012
Hehe :D
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so now it will just be one of them pressing play on a cd and pretending to DJ instead of all 3?Hehe :D
Dj-M.Bezzle
6:13 PM - 24 June, 2012
www.swedishhousemafia.com
i heard their tour cd got scratched
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Just noticed the message on their website about their decision. They decided to stop after their last tour. What do you think guys?www.swedishhousemafia.com
i heard their tour cd got scratched
DJ Remy USA
1:46 AM - 25 June, 2012
LoL
My thoughts exactly
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so now it will just be one of them pressing play on a cd and pretending to DJ instead of all 3?LoL
My thoughts exactly
BERTO
4:39 AM - 25 June, 2012
Again they are producers, playing sold out shows, dont compare them to djs......
BERTO
4:42 AM - 25 June, 2012
Why do most djs compare edm producers to what we do? We dj, they perform their tracks with the exception of a few live show dj/producers..... Stop comparing djing to edm live acts
BERTO
4:45 AM - 25 June, 2012
To whoever doesnt read deadmau5 link, he basically says its about the crowds, lights, and music, not the "djing" aspect.... Gotta give him props for this...bc its true, noone goes to a armin concert for scratching, or non armin tracks.....
DJWALDO
6:55 AM - 25 June, 2012
Deadmau5 calls us "music players" "ipods" and any other demeaning term he can think of. FUCK him and his "takes" and "opinions". People go to see dj's and people go to see artists. The issue lies when artists show up to nightclubs and bitching about the crowd because they have no idea what it's like to be a dj. SHM at least for the most part stuck to large shows. Individually they have played all types of venues. The people generally come to see them do whatever they do. Just like people go to see Jazzy Jeff do what he does. the presence of turntables of any kind and a mixer does not mean whoever uses them is a "DJ". Knowing how to use a tool set doesn't make you a mechanic. Just means you know how to use the tools to do what you needed to do.
dj_soo
7:13 AM - 25 June, 2012
10 years ago, EDM producers knew how to dj. They had to in order to perform because there weren't the technological advantages of today. The ones that didn't either came up with innovative livepa solutions, actually played with a band, or stayed home and produced.
The shit that goes on today cannot be excused. It's basically milli vanilli of this era but instead of being vilified for it, these guys are being treated like gods.
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Why do most djs compare edm producers to what we do? We dj, they perform their tracks with the exception of a few live show dj/producers..... Stop comparing djing to edm live acts10 years ago, EDM producers knew how to dj. They had to in order to perform because there weren't the technological advantages of today. The ones that didn't either came up with innovative livepa solutions, actually played with a band, or stayed home and produced.
The shit that goes on today cannot be excused. It's basically milli vanilli of this era but instead of being vilified for it, these guys are being treated like gods.
DJ Alkemy
9:56 AM - 25 June, 2012
I ain't into SHM one but so the time I heard them comparing their garbage music to the Beatles is the time I chose to really hate their garbage music.
Evon
12:03 PM - 25 June, 2012
SHM are mainly producers. You get there and you know what to get, just like you going to a concert.
However Mr Sanchez here is a DJ and this is how a DJ play electronic music.
Watchwww.youtube.com
Here is how a producer plays electronic music
Watchwww.youtube.com
American Djs see the difference?
However Mr Sanchez here is a DJ and this is how a DJ play electronic music.
Watchwww.youtube.com
Here is how a producer plays electronic music
Watchwww.youtube.com
American Djs see the difference?
djaction
2:10 PM - 25 June, 2012
Jazzy Jeff, A-Trak, and Craze make his entire argument invalid.
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deadmau5.tumblr.com good read.Jazzy Jeff, A-Trak, and Craze make his entire argument invalid.
BERTO
2:40 PM - 25 June, 2012
edm.... he says it there and he talks about himself.... and yea atrak and him were goin back and forth on twitter
Jazzy Jeff, A-Trak, and Craze make his entire argument invalid.
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deadmau5.tumblr.com good read.Jazzy Jeff, A-Trak, and Craze make his entire argument invalid.
BERTO
2:42 PM - 25 June, 2012
if you see atrak live its a dj set,if you see deadmau5 live its a production.....nuff said cant compare the two... there should be no arguement here...they are producers performing...not djs (EDM again) and not all of them of course...you guys have to agree there is no arguement here....you can tell the difference...if you cant then you fail at common sense
BERTO
2:47 PM - 25 June, 2012
10 years ago, EDM producers knew how to dj. They had to in order to perform because there weren't the technological advantages of today. The ones that didn't either came up with innovative livepa solutions, actually played with a band, or stayed home and produced.
The shit that goes on today cannot be excused. It's basically milli vanilli of this era but instead of being vilified for it, these guys are being treated like gods.
agreed, also "producers" popping up anywhere and everywhere lately, its the evil of technological advances, you can select samples/beats/vocals and have software basically make a song for you....its a harsh truth we have to accept unfortunately....with technology you can produce a full banger track on an ipad whilst taking a shit on the toilet..... no longer do you need studios, live instruments, anything....... not to say that this ease of production hasnt brought out alot of talent, but like anything else, there is 1000 shitty "producers" for maybe 1 great or good one....
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Why do most djs compare edm producers to what we do? We dj, they perform their tracks with the exception of a few live show dj/producers..... Stop comparing djing to edm live acts10 years ago, EDM producers knew how to dj. They had to in order to perform because there weren't the technological advantages of today. The ones that didn't either came up with innovative livepa solutions, actually played with a band, or stayed home and produced.
The shit that goes on today cannot be excused. It's basically milli vanilli of this era but instead of being vilified for it, these guys are being treated like gods.
agreed, also "producers" popping up anywhere and everywhere lately, its the evil of technological advances, you can select samples/beats/vocals and have software basically make a song for you....its a harsh truth we have to accept unfortunately....with technology you can produce a full banger track on an ipad whilst taking a shit on the toilet..... no longer do you need studios, live instruments, anything....... not to say that this ease of production hasnt brought out alot of talent, but like anything else, there is 1000 shitty "producers" for maybe 1 great or good one....
BERTO
2:53 PM - 25 June, 2012
and as much as ppl "hate" deadmau5 he's right...ableton and spacebar syncs tracks and thats it....its about production value at edm shows....its about dancing and the lights and the people and the crazyness..... and you also have to take into mind that these big live acts are sometimes 300+ times a year so yea its going to become quite repetitive and methodical
djaction
3:02 PM - 25 June, 2012
except deadbeat says A-TRAK is JUST playing other peoples music. which he isnt. he doesnt JUST beatmatch.. he brings turntablism to it.
DJ Remy USA
3:07 PM - 25 June, 2012
Deadmau5 blog doesn't do anything for the culture of DJs like Jeff, Crazy and Angelo. Deadmau5 has great music I like his stuff but he is not a DJ. I for one don't get up on stage and press play.
This blog irks me because of his success he tries over simply what it takes to put on a great show/performance/set
Ask yourself this if it were not something special he was doing why is he there? Yea I get he makes great studio work. Why not just pop in a CD with his music on it and press play if that's all he's doing.
Deadmau5 has a way of belittling the culture of the performance DJ while he undermines his own live shows....makes no sense he seems like a grumpy ass producer that wishes he wasn't so damn bored on stage so he writes blogs to state that he doesn't really do anything on stage at all and that it's the fans that make the show great....well no shit captain obvious it's always been about the crowd and the lights and the audio that's what makes it a fuking a show in the first place.
This blog irks me because of his success he tries over simply what it takes to put on a great show/performance/set
Ask yourself this if it were not something special he was doing why is he there? Yea I get he makes great studio work. Why not just pop in a CD with his music on it and press play if that's all he's doing.
Deadmau5 has a way of belittling the culture of the performance DJ while he undermines his own live shows....makes no sense he seems like a grumpy ass producer that wishes he wasn't so damn bored on stage so he writes blogs to state that he doesn't really do anything on stage at all and that it's the fans that make the show great....well no shit captain obvious it's always been about the crowd and the lights and the audio that's what makes it a fuking a show in the first place.
DJ Alkemy
3:32 PM - 25 June, 2012
Plus he also produces. His brother is also part of Chromeo.
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except deadbeat says A-TRAK is JUST playing other peoples music. which he isnt. he doesnt JUST beatmatch.. he brings turntablism to it.Plus he also produces. His brother is also part of Chromeo.
BattleFunk
3:41 PM - 25 June, 2012
Plus he also produces. His brother is also part of Chromeo.
What has his brother got to do with it?
My sister is a first aider but dont expect me to save you with anything more than a plaster
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except deadbeat says A-TRAK is JUST playing other peoples music. which he isnt. he doesnt JUST beatmatch.. he brings turntablism to it.Plus he also produces. His brother is also part of Chromeo.
What has his brother got to do with it?
My sister is a first aider but dont expect me to save you with anything more than a plaster
DJ Alkemy
5:15 PM - 25 June, 2012
Plus he also produces. His brother is also part of Chromeo.
What has his brother got to do with it?
My sister is a first aider but dont expect me to save you with anything more than a plaster
Well if you put silly analogies aside then you might see that my point in mentioning his brother being in Chromeo is to highlight the fact that he is from a musical family and obviously picked up production techniques from his brother, thus giving him an extra dimension instead of being just a DJ. There ya go.
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except deadbeat says A-TRAK is JUST playing other peoples music. which he isnt. he doesnt JUST beatmatch.. he brings turntablism to it.Plus he also produces. His brother is also part of Chromeo.
What has his brother got to do with it?
My sister is a first aider but dont expect me to save you with anything more than a plaster
Well if you put silly analogies aside then you might see that my point in mentioning his brother being in Chromeo is to highlight the fact that he is from a musical family and obviously picked up production techniques from his brother, thus giving him an extra dimension instead of being just a DJ. There ya go.
DJ Unique
6:32 PM - 25 June, 2012
Yep.
Producers vs DJs
ME vs SV
Mac vs PC
Ay vs Yep
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internet; serious business.Yep.
Producers vs DJs
ME vs SV
Mac vs PC
Ay vs Yep
Audio1
8:13 PM - 25 June, 2012
THIS!
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so now it will just be one of them pressing play on a cd and pretending to DJ instead of all 3?
Audio1
9:11 PM - 25 June, 2012
I dunno about y'all but am I the only one who doesn't really care that they are calling it quits?
Eric N
9:13 PM - 25 June, 2012
No. I could give two shits, really. Nice shirt in the profile pic... I have that one too. Mine is much more faded than yours, though lol.
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I dunno about y'all but am I the only one who doesn't really care that they are calling it quits?No. I could give two shits, really. Nice shirt in the profile pic... I have that one too. Mine is much more faded than yours, though lol.
BERTO
2:44 AM - 26 June, 2012
Again hes talking about edm producers....
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except deadbeat says A-TRAK is JUST playing other peoples music. which he isnt. he doesnt JUST beatmatch.. he brings turntablism to it.Again hes talking about edm producers....
djkrayz
3:39 AM - 26 June, 2012
I think its funny that this shit about deamau5 rant is on the homepage of cnn.com right now
nik39
7:39 AM - 26 June, 2012
Jazzy Jeff, A-Trak, and Craze make his entire argument invalid.
Got a link about the A-Trak Deadmau5 discussion?
What a ego centric view of deadm0r0n.
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edm.... he says it there and he talks about himself.... and yea atrak and him were goin back and forth on twitterQuote:
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deadmau5.tumblr.com good read.Jazzy Jeff, A-Trak, and Craze make his entire argument invalid.
Got a link about the A-Trak Deadmau5 discussion?
What a ego centric view of deadm0r0n.
djbanno
11:45 AM - 26 June, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com
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However Mr Sanchez here is a DJ and this is how a DJ play electronic music.Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Alkemy
1:07 PM - 26 June, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com
Yeah man. Badass right there.
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However Mr Sanchez here is a DJ and this is how a DJ play electronic music.Watchwww.youtube.com
Yeah man. Badass right there.
BERTO
1:40 PM - 26 June, 2012
deadmau5.tumblr.com second entry from deadmau5 ....again valid points even if u hate him and just go into his mentions on twitter for atrak back and forth
Dj-M.Bezzle
1:47 PM - 26 June, 2012
I love that post, I thing he summed things up perfectly in that one and the way I look at its a purley pisitive thing, you cant fix the damn if u cant see the cracks so if u disagree then put your gloves on strap up and prove him wrong. His best point is true that the current form of edm can only last so long at this rate, its overdue for an evolution
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deadmau5.tumblr.com second entry from deadmau5 ....again valid points even if u hate him and just go into his mentions on twitter for atrak back and forthI love that post, I thing he summed things up perfectly in that one and the way I look at its a purley pisitive thing, you cant fix the damn if u cant see the cracks so if u disagree then put your gloves on strap up and prove him wrong. His best point is true that the current form of edm can only last so long at this rate, its overdue for an evolution
nik39
1:51 PM - 26 June, 2012
Still a m0r0n. If he thinks he would like to stay in his studio and NOT dj... Then how about he stays in the studio and does not pretend to be djing?
BERTO
2:01 PM - 26 June, 2012
Someof these replies sound like the NRA with Obama, they gave him a list of things they want, Obama delivered and they say he did it to screw over Gop....... He never said dj...he said press buttons one and he does like his productions as far as shows go.....
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Still a m0r0n. If he thinks he would like to stay in his studio and NOT dj... Then how about he stays in the studio and does not pretend to be djing?Someof these replies sound like the NRA with Obama, they gave him a list of things they want, Obama delivered and they say he did it to screw over Gop....... He never said dj...he said press buttons one and he does like his productions as far as shows go.....
nik39
3:35 PM - 26 June, 2012
It's then the fault auf his management not to make clear that he is NOT djing. Love performance does not equal to djing. If you don't dj, don't act like you're djing, doing the Paris Hilton.
Dj-M.Bezzle
3:43 PM - 26 June, 2012
^who cares, would renaming the tour the "im not really djing" gonna change anything
nik39
4:16 PM - 26 June, 2012
Lol.. Live performances and not Love performances. Damn autocorrection.
Dj-M.Bezzle
4:57 PM - 26 June, 2012
Dubstep needs to evolve, even excesion and datsik admitted it needs something new
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EDM is due for an evolution is called dubstep and commercialismDubstep needs to evolve, even excesion and datsik admitted it needs something new
DJ Alkemy
7:46 PM - 26 June, 2012
Dubstep needs to evolve, even excesion and datsik admitted it needs something new
I think its the same with any genre. When it gets commercialised to the point you get chart compilations getting releasedevery few months then the music needs to go back underground for a while.
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EDM is due for an evolution is called dubstep and commercialismDubstep needs to evolve, even excesion and datsik admitted it needs something new
I think its the same with any genre. When it gets commercialised to the point you get chart compilations getting releasedevery few months then the music needs to go back underground for a while.
Crackpipe
9:48 PM - 26 June, 2012
Quoted from the Deadmau5 link:
Answer: The drugs
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you know what makes the EDM show the crazy amazing show that it is?Answer: The drugs
Dj-M.Bezzle
9:52 PM - 26 June, 2012
Answer: The drugs
WRONG!
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you know what makes the EDM show the crazy amazing show that it is?Answer: The drugs
WRONG!
BattleFunk
11:23 PM - 26 June, 2012
Well that theory is fucked, the drugs have been shit for 15 years
Dj-M.Bezzle
11:32 PM - 26 June, 2012
thats what i hear at least lol
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Well that theory is fucked, the drugs have been shit for 15 yearsthats what i hear at least lol
d:raf
12:05 AM - 27 June, 2012
A somewhat related history lesson: www.npr.org
(here's a free "tl/dr" tag to copy/paste for the lazy/ADD)
(here's a free "tl/dr" tag to copy/paste for the lazy/ADD)
Henry GQ
12:16 AM - 27 June, 2012
is deadmau5 really that big of a douche? seriously? does anyone know...
i would kill to play one of those festivals. just to have a chance to spin some great music for a big crowd. it will be eg0-satisfying...
i recently did one of the block parties in my city. 4000 people were there... outside. it was insane! i been spinnin for 20+ years and still have love for this like it was my first day rockin.
shame on us... shame on us for giving people like this notoriety :(
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deadmau5.tumblr.com second entry from deadmau5 ....again valid points even if u hate him and just go into his mentions on twitter for atrak back and forthis deadmau5 really that big of a douche? seriously? does anyone know...
i would kill to play one of those festivals. just to have a chance to spin some great music for a big crowd. it will be eg0-satisfying...
i recently did one of the block parties in my city. 4000 people were there... outside. it was insane! i been spinnin for 20+ years and still have love for this like it was my first day rockin.
shame on us... shame on us for giving people like this notoriety :(
Dj-M.Bezzle
1:02 AM - 27 June, 2012
if hes not this is either the longest troll of all time or hes missing a even more lucrative career in acting.
Seriously he went on the joe rogan podcast and he was bein a complete dick, they ended up just talkin over him and makin fun of him the next day. At one point he was talkin kinda reckless and his assistant tried to hint that he needed to leave, mau5 started putting his own assistant on blast threatnen to fire him if he didnt get on mic and say live what he was txtn him out loud, it was kinda fucked
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is deadmau5 really that big of a douche? seriously? does anyone know..if hes not this is either the longest troll of all time or hes missing a even more lucrative career in acting.
Seriously he went on the joe rogan podcast and he was bein a complete dick, they ended up just talkin over him and makin fun of him the next day. At one point he was talkin kinda reckless and his assistant tried to hint that he needed to leave, mau5 started putting his own assistant on blast threatnen to fire him if he didnt get on mic and say live what he was txtn him out loud, it was kinda fucked
Dj-M.Bezzle
1:15 AM - 27 June, 2012
(here's a free "tl/dr" tag to copy/paste for the lazy/ADD)
QFT lol
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A somewhat related history lesson: www.npr.org(here's a free "tl/dr" tag to copy/paste for the lazy/ADD)
QFT lol
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'Here's a kid in phat pants and a pacifier in his mouth and glowsticks.' Yes, that's part of our culture — but it shouldn't be a barrier for you to enjoy the music."
BERTO
3:43 AM - 27 June, 2012
He's not happy with his fame and the way edm culture has evolved....kurt kobain syndrome, hes a dick and its provocative, dj chuckie is very similar with what he says about edm and other djs/producers
d:raf
5:30 AM - 27 June, 2012
I remember I didn't buy this CD at first because of the cover... picked it up years later. lol.
d.yimg.com
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'Here's a kid in phat pants and a pacifier in his mouth and glowsticks.' Yes, that's part of our culture — but it shouldn't be a barrier for you to enjoy the music."I remember I didn't buy this CD at first because of the cover... picked it up years later. lol.
d.yimg.com
Nicky Blunt
1:47 PM - 27 June, 2012
I care, because its 3 less talentless hacks up there prentending to dj, Crowds need to become more discerning about what the "artist" on stage is actually doing, (useing the term artist in the loosest sense possible as for some actor / actress would be better & for some ass clown fits the bill perfectly)
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I dunno about y'all but am I the only one who doesn't really care that they are calling it quits?I care, because its 3 less talentless hacks up there prentending to dj, Crowds need to become more discerning about what the "artist" on stage is actually doing, (useing the term artist in the loosest sense possible as for some actor / actress would be better & for some ass clown fits the bill perfectly)
Nicky Blunt
1:49 PM - 27 June, 2012
^^ U called ur self dj krayze?
In the old days dj's used to battle over names.
U lost before u even plug in your equipment
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
In the old days dj's used to battle over names.
U lost before u even plug in your equipment
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
WarpNote
2:38 PM - 27 June, 2012
Watchvimeo.com
Oh gawd.... thats Jean Michel Jarre all over again....
Each to his own however, at a large stadium a single performer need visuals to keep it interesting for the audience, and the less the performer actually does, the more light fx needed...
What would the "Deadmau5 experience" be without his mask and lights?
Thats right, effin boring. The first time I saw Mixaster Mike, right when he joined the beasties, I wasnt into turntablism at all. But that performance REALLY BLEW my mind. And that was at small stage, up close. I saw Deadmau5 at Roskilde festival last summer. Heres a link to his acutal performance Watchwww.youtube.com
Sure, a very impressive show, and a great feeling being there, however, I was more blown away standing 2 meters from mixmaster mike when he did his routines back then.
It all boils down to taste, I guess. But yes, I do care for live variations, improvisation and performance skills.... I love to watch skilled musicians, skateboarders, snowboarders, dirtbike riders taking risks and deliver at their best.
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F**k it! Turntables, CDJS, all that shit is dead! Its all about bathsalts and this jacket!Watchvimeo.com
Oh gawd.... thats Jean Michel Jarre all over again....
Each to his own however, at a large stadium a single performer need visuals to keep it interesting for the audience, and the less the performer actually does, the more light fx needed...
What would the "Deadmau5 experience" be without his mask and lights?
Thats right, effin boring. The first time I saw Mixaster Mike, right when he joined the beasties, I wasnt into turntablism at all. But that performance REALLY BLEW my mind. And that was at small stage, up close. I saw Deadmau5 at Roskilde festival last summer. Heres a link to his acutal performance Watchwww.youtube.com
Sure, a very impressive show, and a great feeling being there, however, I was more blown away standing 2 meters from mixmaster mike when he did his routines back then.
It all boils down to taste, I guess. But yes, I do care for live variations, improvisation and performance skills.... I love to watch skilled musicians, skateboarders, snowboarders, dirtbike riders taking risks and deliver at their best.
Dj-M.Bezzle
2:51 PM - 27 June, 2012
I care, because its 3 less talentless hacks up there prentending to dj, Crowds need to become more discerning about what the "artist" on stage is actually doing, (useing the term artist in the loosest sense possible as for some actor / actress would be better & for some ass clown fits the bill perfectly)
Yawn
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I dunno about y'all but am I the only one who doesn't really care that they are calling it quits?I care, because its 3 less talentless hacks up there prentending to dj, Crowds need to become more discerning about what the "artist" on stage is actually doing, (useing the term artist in the loosest sense possible as for some actor / actress would be better & for some ass clown fits the bill perfectly)
Yawn
DJ Alkemy
3:11 PM - 27 June, 2012
I find that Deadmau5 video corny and embarrassing. F*** outta here with the mouse head. Lame.
Dj-M.Bezzle
3:33 PM - 27 June, 2012
Which isnt suprising, I think alot of people are failing to condider that the basic idealogy and demograohics are 100% different from a hip hop perspective to a edm perspective. Its a matter of taste and WONT appeal to everyone. Its like an nfl player callin a apple programmer a nerd and the apple programmer callim the nfl player a dumb jock
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I find that Deadmau5 video corny and embarrassing. F*** outta here with the mouse head. Lame.Which isnt suprising, I think alot of people are failing to condider that the basic idealogy and demograohics are 100% different from a hip hop perspective to a edm perspective. Its a matter of taste and WONT appeal to everyone. Its like an nfl player callin a apple programmer a nerd and the apple programmer callim the nfl player a dumb jock
Nicky Blunt
3:36 PM - 27 June, 2012
Eitherway, there is no denying that the skill set for a Hip Hop DJ is way higher than the skillset for an edm dj. This is simply a fact. There is no way around it at all.
There is also no excuse as laidback luke has proven a million times over, step ur game up or step the fuck back!
There is also no excuse as laidback luke has proven a million times over, step ur game up or step the fuck back!
DJ Alkemy
3:45 PM - 27 June, 2012
Serato forums is the number one place for lame analogies. Sigh. No, I just find it corny. Being EDM in genre has nothing whatsoever to do with it. I appreciate a lot of EDM. I just find that standing on stage with some stupid flashy mouse head and dancing like a dick makes it look corny as hell.But if it pleases the braindead then I suppose he is doing a good job.
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Its like an nfl player callin a apple programmer a nerd and the apple programmer callim the nfl player a dumb jockSerato forums is the number one place for lame analogies. Sigh. No, I just find it corny. Being EDM in genre has nothing whatsoever to do with it. I appreciate a lot of EDM. I just find that standing on stage with some stupid flashy mouse head and dancing like a dick makes it look corny as hell.But if it pleases the braindead then I suppose he is doing a good job.
Dj-M.Bezzle
4:09 PM - 27 June, 2012
I agree 100%, what im arguing is the people at an edm show arent necessarly there to see the same skill set that a hip hop dj brings. It takes more skill to perform in a live orchastra but you average jazzy jeff fan isnt goin to the symphony. An edm set should be an experience, a show, its about the party as a whole being greater than just the guy on stage. And as far as the guy on stage their art is producing great music in the studio by hitting buttons and tourning knobs.....so how.else do you expect them to perform their music?
Hell atrak said it himself when he got booked as kaynes tour dj that his first few performances were dmc level and he lost the crowdand kayne told him to dumb it down so not even hip hop crowds are all about seeing the highest level of skill.
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Eitherway, there is no denying that the skill set for a Hip Hop DJ is way higher than the skillset for an edm dj. This is simply a fact. There is no way around it at all.I agree 100%, what im arguing is the people at an edm show arent necessarly there to see the same skill set that a hip hop dj brings. It takes more skill to perform in a live orchastra but you average jazzy jeff fan isnt goin to the symphony. An edm set should be an experience, a show, its about the party as a whole being greater than just the guy on stage. And as far as the guy on stage their art is producing great music in the studio by hitting buttons and tourning knobs.....so how.else do you expect them to perform their music?
Hell atrak said it himself when he got booked as kaynes tour dj that his first few performances were dmc level and he lost the crowdand kayne told him to dumb it down so not even hip hop crowds are all about seeing the highest level of skill.
Dj-M.Bezzle
4:16 PM - 27 June, 2012
Serato forums is the number one place for lame analogies. Sigh. No, I just find it corny. Being EDM in genre has nothing whatsoever to do with it. I appreciate a lot of EDM. I just find that standing on stage with some stupid flashy mouse head and dancing like a dick makes it look corny as hell.But if it pleases the braindead then I suppose he is doing a good job.
you say my analagy is lame then state your own PERSONAL OPINION as if it were scientific law, its a matter of opinion, personally I think scratching is an amasing skill but watching someone in a tshirt and yankee cap crouched over a turntabke scratchimg is pretty damn borring live becsise my personal tastes are into more visual edgy arts, I enjoy theactrics. I think its hilarious that alot of the same people saying edm djs are fake or actors find it enjoyable to go to hip hop shows and listen to people pretend to be someone their not, talk about shit they didnt do, and shit tjey dont got..IN THE END ITS ALL ENTERTAINMENT, ITS SHOWBUSNIESS! hell deadmau5 didnt even invent the concept, look at daft punk, same damn thing
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Its like an nfl player callin a apple programmer a nerd and the apple programmer callim the nfl player a dumb jockSerato forums is the number one place for lame analogies. Sigh. No, I just find it corny. Being EDM in genre has nothing whatsoever to do with it. I appreciate a lot of EDM. I just find that standing on stage with some stupid flashy mouse head and dancing like a dick makes it look corny as hell.But if it pleases the braindead then I suppose he is doing a good job.
you say my analagy is lame then state your own PERSONAL OPINION as if it were scientific law, its a matter of opinion, personally I think scratching is an amasing skill but watching someone in a tshirt and yankee cap crouched over a turntabke scratchimg is pretty damn borring live becsise my personal tastes are into more visual edgy arts, I enjoy theactrics. I think its hilarious that alot of the same people saying edm djs are fake or actors find it enjoyable to go to hip hop shows and listen to people pretend to be someone their not, talk about shit they didnt do, and shit tjey dont got..IN THE END ITS ALL ENTERTAINMENT, ITS SHOWBUSNIESS! hell deadmau5 didnt even invent the concept, look at daft punk, same damn thing
DJ Alkemy
4:21 PM - 27 June, 2012
Serato forums is the number one place for lame analogies. Sigh. No, I just find it corny. Being EDM in genre has nothing whatsoever to do with it. I appreciate a lot of EDM. I just find that standing on stage with some stupid flashy mouse head and dancing like a dick makes it look corny as hell.But if it pleases the braindead then I suppose he is doing a good job.
you say my analagy is lame then state your own PERSONAL OPINION as if it were scientific law, its a matter of opinion, personally I think scratching is an amasing skill but watching someone in a tshirt and yankee cap crouched over a turntabke scratchimg is pretty damn borring live becsise my personal tastes are into more visual edgy arts, I enjoy theactrics. I think its hilarious that alot of the same people saying edm djs are fake or actors find it enjoyable to go to hip hop shows and listen to people pretend to be someone their not, talk about shit they didnt do, and shit tjey dont got..IN THE END ITS ALL ENTERTAINMENT, ITS SHOWBUSNIESS! hell deadmau5 didnt even invent the concept, look at daft punk, same damn thing
You even say I use my OWN PERSONAL OPINION , how does that come across like scientific law LMAO. Anyway, dont get touchy cause what I find corny and amusing at the same time, you find artistic. Like you say, its personal preference.
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Its like an nfl player callin a apple programmer a nerd and the apple programmer callim the nfl player a dumb jockSerato forums is the number one place for lame analogies. Sigh. No, I just find it corny. Being EDM in genre has nothing whatsoever to do with it. I appreciate a lot of EDM. I just find that standing on stage with some stupid flashy mouse head and dancing like a dick makes it look corny as hell.But if it pleases the braindead then I suppose he is doing a good job.
you say my analagy is lame then state your own PERSONAL OPINION as if it were scientific law, its a matter of opinion, personally I think scratching is an amasing skill but watching someone in a tshirt and yankee cap crouched over a turntabke scratchimg is pretty damn borring live becsise my personal tastes are into more visual edgy arts, I enjoy theactrics. I think its hilarious that alot of the same people saying edm djs are fake or actors find it enjoyable to go to hip hop shows and listen to people pretend to be someone their not, talk about shit they didnt do, and shit tjey dont got..IN THE END ITS ALL ENTERTAINMENT, ITS SHOWBUSNIESS! hell deadmau5 didnt even invent the concept, look at daft punk, same damn thing
You even say I use my OWN PERSONAL OPINION , how does that come across like scientific law LMAO. Anyway, dont get touchy cause what I find corny and amusing at the same time, you find artistic. Like you say, its personal preference.
WarpNote
4:33 PM - 27 June, 2012
So the discussion boils down to whether we like masks or not like Deadmau5, Daft Punk & Squarepusher? hmm...? And never underestimate the power of "dancing like a dick" It has been a recipe for success since the dawn of music industry ;-)
No misquote needed, LOL
Sure, It might look corny to you and me. But Rocksteady Crew sure did look corny for everyone older than me, when I grew up, and I still thought they were coolest thing ever.
(still dig those old videos Watchwww.youtube.com)
We all tried dance like robots back then, people STILL do, only difference now is they wear a robot helmet ;-) > Watchwww.youtube.com and Watchwww.youtube.com
That Deadmau5 gig was surely a tight production to watch live, and from the distance I wouldnt know what he did behind his laptop screen. I don't believe a live remix would make THAT much difference to the end product (ie. enferno style), It would be quite hard to see, and the routines would probably have been rehearsed to a pattern beforehand anyway? The stadion format is about lights, lazers, huge projection screens, smoke & mirrors IMO.
Also add to this, I'm no Deadmau5 fan.
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I just find that standing on stage with some stupid flashy mouse head and dancing like a dick makes it look corny as hell.No misquote needed, LOL
Sure, It might look corny to you and me. But Rocksteady Crew sure did look corny for everyone older than me, when I grew up, and I still thought they were coolest thing ever.
(still dig those old videos Watchwww.youtube.com)
We all tried dance like robots back then, people STILL do, only difference now is they wear a robot helmet ;-) > Watchwww.youtube.com and Watchwww.youtube.com
That Deadmau5 gig was surely a tight production to watch live, and from the distance I wouldnt know what he did behind his laptop screen. I don't believe a live remix would make THAT much difference to the end product (ie. enferno style), It would be quite hard to see, and the routines would probably have been rehearsed to a pattern beforehand anyway? The stadion format is about lights, lazers, huge projection screens, smoke & mirrors IMO.
Also add to this, I'm no Deadmau5 fan.
Dj-M.Bezzle
4:40 PM - 27 June, 2012
So the discussion boils down to whether we like masks or not like Deadmau5, Daft Punk & Squarepusher? hmm...? And never underestimate the power of "dancing like a dick" It has been a recipe for success since the dawn of music industry ;-)
No misquote needed, LOL
Sure, It might look corny to you and me. But Rocksteady Crew sure did look corny for everyone older than me, when I grew up, and I still thought they were coolest thing ever.
(still dig those old videos Watchwww.youtube.com)
We all tried dance like robots back then, people STILL do, only difference now is they wear a robot helmet ;-) > Watchwww.youtube.com and Watchwww.youtube.com
That Deadmau5 gig was surely a tight production to watch live, and from the distance I wouldnt know what he did behind his laptop screen. I don't believe a live remix would make THAT much difference to the end product (ie. enferno style), It would be quite hard to see, and the routines would probably have been rehearsed to a pattern beforehand anyway? The stadion format is about lights, lazers, huge projection screens, smoke & mirrors IMO.
Also add to this, I'm no Deadmau5 fan.
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I just find that standing on stage with some stupid flashy mouse head and dancing like a dick makes it look corny as hell.No misquote needed, LOL
Sure, It might look corny to you and me. But Rocksteady Crew sure did look corny for everyone older than me, when I grew up, and I still thought they were coolest thing ever.
(still dig those old videos Watchwww.youtube.com)
We all tried dance like robots back then, people STILL do, only difference now is they wear a robot helmet ;-) > Watchwww.youtube.com and Watchwww.youtube.com
That Deadmau5 gig was surely a tight production to watch live, and from the distance I wouldnt know what he did behind his laptop screen. I don't believe a live remix would make THAT much difference to the end product (ie. enferno style), It would be quite hard to see, and the routines would probably have been rehearsed to a pattern beforehand anyway? The stadion format is about lights, lazers, huge projection screens, smoke & mirrors IMO.
Also add to this, I'm no Deadmau5 fan.
This!
DJ Alkemy
4:43 PM - 27 June, 2012
Nope. I think Deadmau5 sucks balls as a music producer, a DJ and as a tool who stands on stage with a flashy mouse mask ffs. Also, he is apparently a dick in social circumstances too so double fuck him. NH/NM. I like Daft Punk.
Like I said, its easy to fascinate the braindead. Jangle your car keys at the same people going mad in the crowd and 90 percent of them will be astonished. Go on, try it.
We all tried dance like robots back then, people STILL do, only difference now is they wear a robot helmet ;-)
Comparing vids like that to the Rocksteady Crew?..Ill leave that one just right there lol
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So the discussion boils down to whether we like masks or not like Deadmau5, Daft Punk & Squarepusher? hmm...?Nope. I think Deadmau5 sucks balls as a music producer, a DJ and as a tool who stands on stage with a flashy mouse mask ffs. Also, he is apparently a dick in social circumstances too so double fuck him. NH/NM. I like Daft Punk.
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And never underestimate the power of "dancing like a dick" It has been a recipe for success since the dawn of music industry ;- )Like I said, its easy to fascinate the braindead. Jangle your car keys at the same people going mad in the crowd and 90 percent of them will be astonished. Go on, try it.
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Sure, It might look corny to you and me. But Rocksteady Crew sure did look corny for everyone older than me, when I grew up, and I still thought they were coolest thing ever.We all tried dance like robots back then, people STILL do, only difference now is they wear a robot helmet ;-)
Comparing vids like that to the Rocksteady Crew?..Ill leave that one just right there lol
Dj-M.Bezzle
4:55 PM - 27 June, 2012
I can see alkemy showing up to a broadway play and callin em out.....hey! Thats not REALLY the lion king this shits fake
DJ Alkemy
4:59 PM - 27 June, 2012
See, you just basically made the point I was going to make. If I want to be entertained by art, Im sorry, but I need more than a few flashing lights, shit music and a guy making big box/little box moves and fist pumping with a flashy, shiny mouse mask on. But thats just me. You enjoy it Bezzle, all the more power to ya kiddo.
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I can see alkemy showing up to a broadway play and callin em out.....hey! Thats not REALLY the lion king this shits fakeSee, you just basically made the point I was going to make. If I want to be entertained by art, Im sorry, but I need more than a few flashing lights, shit music and a guy making big box/little box moves and fist pumping with a flashy, shiny mouse mask on. But thats just me. You enjoy it Bezzle, all the more power to ya kiddo.
Dj-M.Bezzle
5:01 PM - 27 June, 2012
Very true
diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com
sidenote: public enemy ranked by acclaim musics all time highest ranked hiphop act
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Like I said, its easy to fascinate the braindead. Jangle your car keys at the same people going mad in the crowd and 90 percent of them will be astonished. Go on, try it.Very true
diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com
sidenote: public enemy ranked by acclaim musics all time highest ranked hiphop act
DJ Alkemy
5:02 PM - 27 June, 2012
Very true
diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com
sidenote: public enemy ranked by acclaim musics all time highest ranked hiphop act
Lame as hell...your scraping the bottom of the barrel now lol
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Like I said, its easy to fascinate the braindead. Jangle your car keys at the same people going mad in the crowd and 90 percent of them will be astonished. Go on, try it.diaryofahollywoodstreetking.com
sidenote: public enemy ranked by acclaim musics all time highest ranked hiphop act
Lame as hell...your scraping the bottom of the barrel now lol
WarpNote
5:48 PM - 27 June, 2012
as i said:
but I can appreciate a tight concert production even though Im no a fan of the music.
I've hear similar stuff myself, maybe he's socially challenged from spending time alone in a studio.
But it might as well be an act, kids seem to like the rebellious snotty ones, remember.
Im leaving for this festival next week, gonna leave the car though, will find something shiny chromey stuff haha. However, headliners this year are Cure, Springsteen, Roots, Bon Iver & Jack White, so I expect to meet a "slightly" different crowd. ;)
My point is that when we dressed up as dancing/grafitti crew in the 80s, mainstream people would look down on us, the just didnt get why we were into this new "craze" :D
Either way, I think I'm done talking about dead mice by now.
As I said, The first time I saw Mix Master Mike perform live, has left me an impression for life.
When it comes to technique, he's my favorite DJ by far.
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he is apparently a dick in social circumstancesBut it might as well be an act, kids seem to like the rebellious snotty ones, remember.
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Comparing vids like that to the Rocksteady CrewEither way, I think I'm done talking about dead mice by now.
As I said, The first time I saw Mix Master Mike perform live, has left me an impression for life.
When it comes to technique, he's my favorite DJ by far.
DJ Alkemy
6:17 PM - 27 June, 2012
LOL. True. Kinda makes me think of this: Watchwww.youtube.com
Nice. Sounds like a good lineup. Was mad into The Cure when I was a kid.
I hear ya. But if Deadmau5 is still around in 30...scratch that 5 years then I might warm to his dance moves LOL
haha. Me too.
When it comes to technique, he's my favorite DJ by far.
Yeah, Mike is awesome. Out there, but awesome.
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Im leaving for this festival next week, gonna leave the car though, will find something shiny chromey stuff haha. However, headliners this year are Cure, Springsteen, Roots, Bon Iver & Jack White, so I expect to meet a "slightly" different crowd. ;)Nice. Sounds like a good lineup. Was mad into The Cure when I was a kid.
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My point is that when we dressed up as dancing/grafitti crew in the 80s, mainstream people would look down on us, the just didnt get why we were into this new "craze" :DI hear ya. But if Deadmau5 is still around in 30...scratch that 5 years then I might warm to his dance moves LOL
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Either way, I think I'm done talking about dead mice by now.haha. Me too.
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As I said, The first time I saw Mix Master Mike perform live, has left me an impression for life.When it comes to technique, he's my favorite DJ by far.
Yeah, Mike is awesome. Out there, but awesome.
d:raf
7:10 PM - 27 June, 2012
I actually get Mr. Mau5 (I think). It sounds like he'd rather be in the studio but (as anyone with knowledge of how the music industry works knows) the real money to be made is in touring/live performance. He's basically saying that he knows the popularity of that style of EDM is a fad and he's milking it for all it's worth while he can. Can't blame the guy for taking advantage of opportunity.
Hope he manages the cash better than MC Hammer... it would be weird to see Mau5 Ministries crop up down the road.
Hope he manages the cash better than MC Hammer... it would be weird to see Mau5 Ministries crop up down the road.
Laz219
3:44 PM - 13 November, 2012
It's interesting reading this thread because of the different views on what makes a show good.
Just made me think about some of the things I've been to recently and the different reasons I enjoyed them....
- I've been to raves where I'd never heard of a single person playing before but the sound/lighting production was seriously impressive so I had a good time and the (non-dj) friends I was with did make a significant point of how crazy the lights/sound was without mentioning the actual music.
*and I've been to ones where it was mostly the same DJs but the system was shit and it really spoiled the night.
- I've seen people like Craze where I enjoyed myself just watching technical skill and (non-DJ friends) have been amazed watching what he does even if they don't actually understand what exactly he is doing.
- I've been in clubs where there was nothing special about the sound/lighting and the DJ did nothing besides straight beatmixing but still just turned out a good night by the right songs and people have walked away saying how good the DJ was.
As with most things, everybody notices different things. As DJs we've all been around these things forever so it takes a lot more to impress us than the average person.
I figure it's the same thing when they broadcast concerts on TV and such, yeah....you're hearing the music and seeing it. It's nothing like being there. Production+Crowd Energy can really make a night and I guess that's how these 'live producer' acts do so well even if all the DJs are hating on them. They may just be pushing play but put all the elements together and you're average person isn't going to regret buying their ticket.
Shit...I still occasionally see people get excited when you run the fog machine for the first time of the night, or turn a laser on and all I can think is "what, you've never seen that before?"
Just made me think about some of the things I've been to recently and the different reasons I enjoyed them....
- I've been to raves where I'd never heard of a single person playing before but the sound/lighting production was seriously impressive so I had a good time and the (non-dj) friends I was with did make a significant point of how crazy the lights/sound was without mentioning the actual music.
*and I've been to ones where it was mostly the same DJs but the system was shit and it really spoiled the night.
- I've seen people like Craze where I enjoyed myself just watching technical skill and (non-DJ friends) have been amazed watching what he does even if they don't actually understand what exactly he is doing.
- I've been in clubs where there was nothing special about the sound/lighting and the DJ did nothing besides straight beatmixing but still just turned out a good night by the right songs and people have walked away saying how good the DJ was.
As with most things, everybody notices different things. As DJs we've all been around these things forever so it takes a lot more to impress us than the average person.
I figure it's the same thing when they broadcast concerts on TV and such, yeah....you're hearing the music and seeing it. It's nothing like being there. Production+Crowd Energy can really make a night and I guess that's how these 'live producer' acts do so well even if all the DJs are hating on them. They may just be pushing play but put all the elements together and you're average person isn't going to regret buying their ticket.
Shit...I still occasionally see people get excited when you run the fog machine for the first time of the night, or turn a laser on and all I can think is "what, you've never seen that before?"
Dj-M.Bezzle
4:56 PM - 13 November, 2012
.....was that a real question or retorical
.....was that a real question or retorical
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