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Sorry, no disrepect, but anyone who uses "Sync" isn't a "real" DJ

DJ Boss Sounds 3:44 PM - 13 April, 2012
I see all these threads about sync & I think to myself- why???
Anyways, Happy Friday!!!

Kind Regards,

Boss Sounds.
DJ Paul 1 3:50 PM - 13 April, 2012
Cool story bro
elsupermang 4:08 PM - 13 April, 2012
I'd take this thread seriously, but its a statement followed by no facts. Just a troll thread. Moving on.
DjCity 4:20 PM - 13 April, 2012
I NEVER use sync. Never have, never will.

I agree that there are waaaaaaaay too many threads about sync but i'm not gonna knock the next mans hustle because he uses sync.

But yeah....

I too see all these threads about sync and I also think to myself- why???

Oh well...
To each his own.
DJ Boss Sounds 4:32 PM - 13 April, 2012
@ elsupermang, dude- it's Friday, so lighten up. Yeah, I'm looking to start trouble- so what? LOL.

Seriously, I have a valid point. Sync now, what later- auto-mixing??? When does it end?
elsupermang 4:45 PM - 13 April, 2012
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@ elsupermang, dude- it's Friday, so lighten up. Yeah, I'm looking to start trouble- so what? LOL.

Seriously, I have a valid point. Sync now, what later- auto-mixing??? When does it end?


Just saying if you make such a general statement, it would help to back it up with facts or at least present your line of reasoning for making such a broad statement. I'm almost certain there are a ton of very successful DJs (dont care to list names right now) that use sync. Further to that point I've always envisioned the true spirit of the DJ culture was doing things in ways other people wouldn't have because it isn't "right" or doesn't go together etc. So by saying doing X means you are not a DJ you are just stifling the true culture of expression and creativity. True pioneers are always those who challenge the status quo.

And no I don't use sync myself either but I can see how it can be useful to others.
phatbob 5:21 PM - 13 April, 2012
Sorry, no disrespect, but anyone with such a closed mind as the OP is not a real DJ.
DJ Boss Sounds 5:28 PM - 13 April, 2012
Yes, I undertand your perspective. Let me narrow the range of my attack. For those who play hip-hop, R&B, and the like: there is no reason to use sync. As far as the mashups and the other genres I don't follow....to each their own.

Like most others, I'm old school. However, the "DJ" culture should be standard in terms of skill sets. Feeling lazy, doing an elaborate mix, etc...ok, one gets a pass. If one cannot get through a gig without using sync....sorry, but they suck. I even wish I could suppress the BPM in Itch. I don't need to see it & I feel as though it's cheating.
DJ Boss Sounds 5:31 PM - 13 April, 2012
phatbob, go kick rocks barefooted. You look like you're InSync....cornhole.

Best
phatbob 6:00 PM - 13 April, 2012
What the hell does that even mean?
Tocayo 6:12 PM - 13 April, 2012
DJ Boss Sounds, some would say because you're using a controller, you're not a "real DJ". Where does it all end lol.
DJ Frank Wite 6:12 PM - 13 April, 2012
I'm a scratch dj that plays hip-hop and R&B (and other genres) and I don't use sync HOWEVER, I couldn't care less about what the next person used. I'm an old school dj as well and I truly believe that if they would've had auto-sync and digital controller's back in the day this wouldn't be a conversation.

Technology was put here to make things easier and I love technology. I'm a real dj and if I want to use auto-sync or Itunes auto dj I'm going too. The crowd doesn't care what you use as long as the music doesn't stop and they hear great music.

No disrespect to you Dj Boss but I can't side with you on this, people do what works best for them. It doesn't take a degree to be a good dj. And to be fair I think it's senseless to have a feature and never use it. I'm very guilty of it myself.

Its not cheating unless you have someone judging you. When most dj's spin they're spinning for regular people not for DMC judges.

Peace
phatbob 6:15 PM - 13 April, 2012
I spin 3 nights a week on Scratch Live, and 2 nights on Twitch using sync.

Guess I need to tell my crowds that I'm not a real DJ on those two nights, because DJ Boss Sounds said so.
dj lashes 6:25 PM - 13 April, 2012
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I spin 3 nights a week on Scratch Live, and 2 nights on Twitch using sync.

Guess I need to tell my crowds that I'm not a real DJ on those two nights, because DJ Boss Sounds said so.

i need to do the same so to everyone over 15 years that paid for a ticket which helped me own 2 night club, house, cars, so much girls i cant remember, jam packed shows 4-5 nights a week radio shows ect.................................. sorry to let you all down am not a DJ because i use sync to create old and new styles mixed together to bring you a better show case
DJ Frank Wite 6:33 PM - 13 April, 2012
You know it's funny that you see people getting stirred up over using the sync button, but no one evers mentions setting cue points. Dj's that spin on vinyl/1200's and use scratch live they have cue points set on the laptops.

I use the vci 300 mk2 and ns7 and couldn't live without using my programmed cue points as well as auto loop. I never hear people say you shouldn't use auto loop or set cue points. It's an oxymoron.

I'm just saying.
dj lashes 6:35 PM - 13 April, 2012
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You know it's funny that you see people getting stirred up over using the sync button, but no one evers mentions setting cue points. Dj's that spin on vinyl/1200's and use scratch live they have cue points set on the laptops.

I use the vci 300 mk2 and ns7 and couldn't live without using my programmed cue points as well as auto loop. I never hear people say you shouldn't use auto loop or set cue points. It's an oxymoron.

I'm just saying.

+1
Socross 6:42 PM - 13 April, 2012
If being a "real DJ" means hand-wringing and hating on other people's methods, then I'm proud to say I'm not a real DJ.

I use sync every time I spin. Along with library sort, cue points, autoloop, loop rolling and effects. All of which cannot be done with just a turntable and mixer. I started in 91, spinning vinyl - once I went to the laptop I never looked back because its SO much better. I have way more fun now than I ever did back then, and it's because the technology has progressed enough to let me enjoy the dancefloor I create, instead of having my head buried in my crates looking for a song or my neck crooked sideways beatmatching.

I suspect the OP is really just wanting attention - why else would it post this type of thing on a digital DJ board? Here's some trollfood for you there buddy.
Dj cuervo 10:18 PM - 13 April, 2012
I'm an ole school DJ. 1200s Vestax 05 mixer and 40k of records. I still have them all. I have vci 300 mk2. I do use the sync option because the pitch faders are not the best. Real djing is about music knowledge and selection. There is nothing like taking ppl on a journey musically. I think we all started by just playing music. Great DJs have that killer selection. If you use sync you are not less of a DJ. If you just play music without creativity then you are.
djcerla 10:51 PM - 13 April, 2012
So, according to your statement, what makes a DJ a "real" DJ is something that a software algorithm can easily perform. This is clearly a silly argument.

Actually, what makes a Dj a "real" DJ is a mix of skills that no computer can replicate today, such as empathy, ability to categorize tracks according to energy levels, etc., technical skills being the least important ones.
dj lashes 11:28 PM - 13 April, 2012
dj is a someone who selects and plays recorded music to an audience, how u do it does not make you anymore a dj then the next the crowed all of the time like dj more or less not even by how good they play but more like how big your name is radio1 or big club backing you ect..
thebeatworx 12:43 AM - 14 April, 2012
Real DJs don't use effects or smooth cross faders either... Only rotary knobs and belt driven turntables! Screw technology! Keeping' it real biatch!
amphidelic 1:33 AM - 14 April, 2012
"Real DJs" got this topic out of their system around 2003, as I recall.
pdidy 2:00 AM - 14 April, 2012
Relax guys DJ Boss Sounds is just trolling yall, he does this every now an then......
serato.com
Now back to your regularly scheduled programing.....lol
djbagz 5:21 AM - 14 April, 2012
watt makes a dj is the stickers on his or her laptop....


im hungry
phatbob 8:32 AM - 14 April, 2012
Well that's alright then 'cos my sticker game is STRONG! ;-)
UnderBass 11:33 AM - 14 April, 2012
Sync is for me really important. I cannot mix 3 deck at the same time and make a jam with 5 pieces of hardware if i have no sync. Future is now. Use good tools.
wadup 12:04 PM - 14 April, 2012
the only problem i see is this, MOST skill users will tell a newbie, to use a sync base program ex vdj or itch because its easier. so in a way sync have a stigma to it (NEWBIE). so even when the best dj go out and perform with a sync program, and here come another dj who's checking out ur equipment see that ur using itch or vdj....first thing he will do is shake his head and look at his buddy and say, he's using itch it got sync.
Futuretek 2:44 PM - 14 April, 2012
Live everything else there's a point where stuff get's out of hand. I remember people getting mad when dj's would play a record at +8 pre digital age. Now that we have master tempo it's not an issue. My thought with most of these "assists" is that if your using it to just go back and forth from one record to another then eh.... if your using it to allow yourself the freedom to do some other funky ish then why not.

I guess part of the fun for me is the actual process. not just the end result.
Rrocksteady 5:07 PM - 14 April, 2012
@phatbob i defo agree with you....some people think that being a 'dj' is akin to being a God, well wake up and smell the vynl, theres a new kid on the block and he's called a 'controllerist' which means WE use any and all means to blow the crowd away!! and thats not just for live work, we work on radio stations and record mixtapes for the masses

if all your concerned about is 'sync' then all your doing is beatmatching 2 tracks together....eh boring...you wont sell many mixtapes that im sure off

get of your high horses and live and let live....a real dj/controllerist is someone who gets paid and re booked for gigs, and ends up having to shoot a cross town to 2 even 3 gigs a nite cause all the promoters want to book you!!
bluefoot 7:03 PM - 14 April, 2012
Not sure about that one Rrocksteady... to me a real dj is like cerla said: Someone who can read the minds of their audience and playlist tracks to make them get it on. Skills are an added bonus.
Saying a real DJ is someone with lots of work doesnt account for the incredible artists who just havent broken into the game yet.

I have 3 gigs a week on average, normally spinning unquantised original songs from the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's but also doing some EDM and Dubstep, nothing is off limits. I first cut my teeth with trip hop and jungle in the mid 90's.

I don't use sync, I do use cue points, I do use loops but not auto loops. I grew up on technics, moved to cdj1000s, now love my NS6. I beatmatch tunes which suit beatmatching, I cut tunes that suit cutting. I love finding a pair of tunes which were made to fit together and if they work well I will use sync/timewarp on ableton to create my own mash-ups to play live.

So am I real DJ? I dont care, i have fun and I get paid for it.

The only issue I have with the industry is the one that will never go away: DJs who play only what they think is good and then blame for the audience for being "a shit crowd" when their event fails.

so trollolololol
dj lashes 9:18 PM - 14 April, 2012
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So am I real DJ? I dont care, i have fun and I get paid for it.

+100000000000000000000
Papa Midnight 9:23 PM - 14 April, 2012
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Relax guys DJ Boss Sounds is just trolling yall, he does this every now an then......
serato.com
Now back to your regularly scheduled programing.....lol

Boss Sounds makes yet another pointless topic...
Tocayo 10:16 PM - 14 April, 2012
Purely by the way some topics are posted you can tell.
Some people just can't help themself by continually posting though lol.
Rrocksteady 12:19 AM - 15 April, 2012
troll or no troll,
i like these kind of discussions!
its a nice little source of entertainment at times, after looking for any updates

i agree with you 100%
you play your way, and you get payed!

so your a dj.....simple !!

its the snobs i regularly like to word war with
Rrocksteady 12:20 AM - 15 April, 2012
@Bluefoot
DJ Frank Wite 1:32 AM - 15 April, 2012
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troll or no troll,
i like these kind of discussions!
its a nice little source of entertainment at times, after looking for any updates


+1, I totally agree with this.

Plus I get so tired of people that don't like a certain post call it trolling. I can't wait for the internet to find the poor soul's another word for them to follow. The word trolling is over used like the word's "Epic" and" Fail". Enough already.

I'm just saying
maviccf 6:18 AM - 15 April, 2012
I respect everyone's opinion, now I will give you mine based on what I have seen since technology started providing digital solutions.
A real DJ cares for the dance floor on an ethic and professional way. Exploits his or hers skills 100%, follows the crowd, feeds the crowd what they wanna hear................etc,etc,etc.
In a few words:
A real DJ always has a full dance floor, no matter what.
What I really hate to see and no offense to others, is a 2 weeks old "DJ" with a lop top any software, not even carries a controller. Has all the music premixed and remixed from unknown sources and with a poor audio quality, sync all the time and selling the service half price just to get (steal) the job or gig from experienced DJs like us that have come a long way from analog music.
I am not saying skills make you a real DJ, I am saying:
Being Professional on your performance and being ethic on the way you sell yourself to potential customers makes you gain respect from the Dj community around you and makes you a real DJ.
I have seen Djs that dont know how to mix and sync manually, but they do know how to choose the music, they do very decent "cuts" instead of transicions and follow the crowd,
I respect that.
Digital music makes those young "djs" think they are real djs.
My apologies to you guys but buying a lop top and having your music premixed and remixed before the real show won't make you a real dj and if you are selling the service half price you are only hurting yourselves (and the dj community around you) on the long run. People can become very comfortable paying cheap services (mobil customers and club owners) and in the future after you destroy the market, you will not be able to upgrade your equipment, unless you have somebody that pays for your stuff.
Some people don't care much for the quality of the job, they just want to save some money.
Unfortunately in the region where I live, it has happened already.
These new Djs have destroyed the value (I want to be specific: the market) of being a DJ and financial benefits that comes with it.
I don't depend financially from this job but it would be nice to be able to benefit from it and upgrade the equipment more often. At least to have some back up cash when something breaks down.
I started using digital format for the convenience of having no limits and how much music I can carry with me and the speed to find a file, I mixed both ways, old fashioned and with auto sync depending on the need. but I think I earned the right to choose my tools after so many years learning from analog to digital.
I don't have a problem with new dj's, I have a problem with the ones that choose the easy and cheap exit just to take a short cut and don't behave properly disrespecting this profession.
kraal 8:56 AM - 15 April, 2012
"A real DJ always has a full dance floor, no matter what."
i have seen lots of big name dj's with empty dance floors bassed on venue or what have you... thing is you can base what is real or not on any one situation. if a dj makes pre made mix tapes and just plays those and packs a crowd he found what works in his situation. instead of wirring what is real or fake. best just be true to you and what will make you the best dj you can personally be. and if that means never learning to beatmatch and riding the sync button then so be it that is the best that dj will be. still a dj just a basic one
bluefoot 9:53 AM - 15 April, 2012
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troll or no troll,
i like these kind of discussions!
its a nice little source of entertainment at times, after looking for any updates

its the snobs i regularly like to word war with


+1

I got to pity the snobs sometimes too tho, they dont even seem to like each other LOL!
bluefoot 9:54 AM - 15 April, 2012
^
@Rrocksteady and @Frank Wite.
Dj Yve 12:40 PM - 15 April, 2012
i play
i get paid
im a dj


end of stroy bro.
good night
dj lashes 6:49 PM - 15 April, 2012
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i play
i get paid
im a dj


end of stroy bro.
good night


you have a car
you get from A to B
your a driver

but if you hit a few cars on the way
your a bad driver
Kmxorbit 7:28 PM - 15 April, 2012
Dancefloor full = good DJ
Dancefloor empty = bad DJ

Doesn't matter how you play or how you achieve it.

Now close thread & move on...
DJ CAPRO 7:57 PM - 15 April, 2012
After spending 15 years practicing hard to be the most accurate beat matcher I know in a city full of DJs, all I got to say is DO SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT WITH YOUR LIFE.

Technology is only controversial to people who get old.
maviccf 5:29 AM - 16 April, 2012
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you have a car
you get from A to B
your a driver

but if you hit a few cars on the way
your a bad driver

Like I said, I respect everybody's opinion and there is no point in getting toe to toe with anybody.
But I can see Dl lashes got my message.
Thanks
djcerla 7:58 AM - 16 April, 2012
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Dancefloor empty = bad DJ


... or bad promoters.
respectskills 8:35 AM - 16 April, 2012
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After spending 15 years practicing hard to be the most accurate beat matcher I know in a city full of DJs, all I got to say is DO SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT WITH YOUR LIFE.

Technology is only controversial to people who get old.



Who do you think invented and inspired that technology? After making a comment like that
You better come with it and show up all the old schoolers who spent years perfecting the art
Of the dj. I don't want to see fist pumping either.
I would hope any new schooler would take it to the next level but even with all this amazing
Technology I have yet to see someone not fake it. The difference is the old schoolers. An actually show skills live but the new schoolers push buttons fist pump and tweek knobs. How can anyone truly now what you are doing?
Post some videos "new schoolers" and prove me wrong...PLEASE!!
Dj Yve 9:27 AM - 16 April, 2012
Quote:
Quote:
i play
i get paid
im a dj


end of stroy bro.
good night


you have a car
you get from A to B
your a driver

but if you hit a few cars on the way
your a bad driver


good so we aggre that im a driver
this whole thread says if you use sync you are not a dj
now based on your analogy i am a dj
means this whole thread is obselete :]
bluefoot 9:58 AM - 16 April, 2012
The OP's original Troll just goes from strength to strength.

So i ask myself: shall I also make a generalised summation of a complex and constantly evolving situation my 21st century attention span really can't grasp?
and.. If I do does that allow me to claim that the whole discussion is pointless too?

or should i just sit back and lol @ trolls.
djbagz 12:33 PM - 16 April, 2012
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Dancefloor empty = bad DJ


... or bad promoters.



ive seen dance floors packed but the dj sucked balls....


i was asked to dj a adults entertainment venue in the city today..hmm watt should i tell my wife > ?
kraal 1:29 PM - 16 April, 2012
let me toss in a quote from dj craze... and just in case you need his credentials here they are
Time Magazine's "America's Best" DJ - 2001[7]
World DMC Team Champion - 2001
World DMC Champion - 2000
World DMC Champion - 1999
Winter Music Conference Scratch Off Champion - 1999
World DMC Champion - 1998
USA DMC Champion - 1998
World ITF Scratch Off Champion - 1998



ITF Western Hemisphere Scratch Off Champion - 1998
Winter Music Conference Scratch Off Champion - 1998
Winter Music Conference Scratch Off Champion - 1997
East Coast DMC Champion - 1997
Winter Music Conference Scratch Off Champion - 1996
East Coast Rap Sheet Champion - 1996
Zulu National Champion - 1996
Zulu National Champion - 1995
his quote is " yes i use the sync button but i dare anyone to challenge my skills" point is just cause someone uses a feature don't think they don't have skills
phatbob 1:51 PM - 16 April, 2012
/end thread
DJ CAPRO 2:45 PM - 16 April, 2012
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Quote:
After spending 15 years practicing hard to be the most accurate beat matcher I know in a city full of DJs, all I got to say is DO SOMETHING MORE IMPORTANT WITH YOUR LIFE.

Technology is only controversial to people who get old.



Who do you think invented and inspired that technology? After making a comment like that
You better come with it and show up all the old schoolers who spent years perfecting the art
Of the dj. I don't want to see fist pumping either.
I would hope any new schooler would take it to the next level but even with all this amazing
Technology I have yet to see someone not fake it. The difference is the old schoolers. An actually show skills live but the new schoolers push buttons fist pump and tweek knobs. How can anyone truly now what you are doing?
Post some videos "new schoolers" and prove me wrong...PLEASE!!


Hey, I'm a mix DJ and some crazy turntablist but I've never pumped my fist I think the idea is hilarious... Sounds like that guy off Jersey Shore... My collection of vinyl spans from stuff I bought in the 90s to stuff I bought on Saturday.

The one thing I know is that if your craft is refined through technology, it's not cheating it's just giving letting you use your time on other aspects of your mix. I would rather spend 2 minutes finding the perfect track to drop next and set up some effects than using my time to frantically beatmatch the first thing I think might work and looking for a cue point... If you don't want to use that time to explore everything artistic you can do, that's fine. That's not what DJing is for some.

I still play full vinyl sets because vinyl sounds better on certain sound systems, and yes you do have to respect the skill involved in playing a set on techs as it takes a lot more work... Anyways, here's some mixes since you asked. No video though: soundcloud.com
DJ CAPRO 2:51 PM - 16 April, 2012
Woops, haha.. first line should read "mix DJ and NOT some crazy turntablist"
DJ Boss Sounds 3:10 PM - 16 April, 2012
...."Just another manic monday"....ohhh...ooooohhhh

/restart thread
AustinG 3:42 PM - 16 April, 2012
Any dj spinning hip hop that uses sync or anything but 1200's, cdj, or Ns7 is playing himself and the crowd he plays for. So I agree with boss to a certain extent. If you're using sync and spinning Hip Hop you're not a real hip hop dj.... Other genres may be different.
DJ CAPRO 3:50 PM - 16 April, 2012
^ hologram Tupac controlled by actor in motion sensors disagrees:

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Boss Sounds 4:32 PM - 16 April, 2012
BingGo!!!!

@AustinG, Someone give that man a bottle!!!
DJ Boss Sounds 4:39 PM - 16 April, 2012
AND IT QUOTE:

"Yes, I undertand your perspective. Let me narrow the range of my attack. For those who play hip-hop, R&B, and the like: there is no reason to use sync. As far as the mashups and the other genres I don't follow....to each their own."
DJ Boss Sounds 4:42 PM - 16 April, 2012
Further to my message above, during my intelligent conversation with elsupermang, I CLEARLY defined my criticisms.
DJ CAPRO 4:49 PM - 16 April, 2012
Easy up. Here's a proper DJ using sync via Ableton

Watchwww.youtube.com

Hip Hop is about doing your thing your way. Wildstyle isn't about what rules are being followed.
AustinG 5:24 PM - 16 April, 2012
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Easy up. Here's a proper DJ using sync via Ableton

Watchwww.youtube.com

Hip Hop is about doing your thing your way. Wildstyle isn't about what rules are being followed.


Alright that's dope, obviously this dude in the video has payed his dues. So let me rephrase my point.... You'r not a real hip hop dj if you RELY on the sync button to mix.

These ableton/tracktor dj's like Shiftee and dude above are way far beyond paying their dues and are now on some next level, pioneering type stuff. They can still beatmatch in their sleep though I promise you that.

So again, I think we can all agree that most of the poser dj's that rely on sync to mix are not real dj's.
AustinG 5:28 PM - 16 April, 2012
And to add to that... if you're not on 1200's, cdj's, and/or maybe the NS7, you're not a real dj lol. NS7 get's my vote because it's a dope controller and sounds nice. If cdj's are industry standard then the NS7 isn't far behind... I still prefer 1200's.
DJ CAPRO 5:31 PM - 16 April, 2012
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Alright that's dope, obviously this dude in the video has payed his dues. So let me rephrase my point.... You'r not a real hip hop dj if you RELY on the sync button to mix.


Yeah OK fine. But I'm not sure how someone is supposed to imagine the creative extent that someone is going to use or rely on any tool and then pass judgement. The title of this thread is a contradicting itself.
DJ CAPRO 5:32 PM - 16 April, 2012
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And to add to that... if you're not on 1200's, cdj's, and/or maybe the NS7, you're not a real dj lol. NS7 get's my vote because it's a dope controller and sounds nice. If cdj's are industry standard then the NS7 isn't far behind... I still prefer 1200's.


Every rule you guys put down i'm gonna find a youtube, deal? :)

One of my favs. Not using sync either:

Watchwww.youtube.com
dj lashes 5:36 PM - 16 April, 2012
i think here is whats up! if you play music in anyway by any means to a live crowd then yes you are a dj how good or bad you are is a different story, the thing here is..

"anyone who uses "Sync" isn't a "real" DJ"

which is not so! here is why.. the only way to be a fake dj would be to play music to a fake crowd stage props or computer simulated ect... thats whats up
DJ CAPRO 5:39 PM - 16 April, 2012
Basically everyone who has an iPad is gonna call themselves a DJ and it's up to everyone to pick up their game...

Or spend time trolling teenagers on the internet.
dj lashes 5:57 PM - 16 April, 2012
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Basically everyone who has an iPad is gonna call themselves a DJ and it's up to everyone to pick up their game....

thats right i for smile when am in a club a the dj before or after me pulls out a mp3 player or a laptop with VDJ and not even a controller, i just know am about to kick some ass most of the time if the dj is to play after me they start saying thing like ohh if you like you can keep playing or its gonna take a few mins to start my laptop lol
dj lashes 5:57 PM - 16 April, 2012
thats right i for ONE smile....
AustinG 7:55 PM - 16 April, 2012
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And to add to that... if you're not on 1200's, cdj's, and/or maybe the NS7, you're not a real dj lol. NS7 get's my vote because it's a dope controller and sounds nice. If cdj's are industry standard then the NS7 isn't far behind... I still prefer 1200's.


Every rule you guys put down i'm gonna find a youtube, deal? :)

One of my favs. Not using sync either:

Watchwww.youtube.com


He got payed to do that rule ain't no real hip hop dj using a vci in the clubs lol.. but tight video anything is possible but you see what dude is rocking under that little toy.
DJ CAPRO 8:06 PM - 16 April, 2012
NAH DONT THINK SO.
DJ Sergio B 8:42 PM - 16 April, 2012
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Dancefloor empty = bad DJ


... or bad promoters.


+ 1. I had a friend to recently had to eat this truth when he started spinning at other places other than his resident bar. Just all around bad promo - and the bar just thought they would hire him and then it would be a good night. Like a bad twist on Noah's Ark:
"If you spin it - they will come"

Lots of things factor into a dance floor - but if you have a crowd and you can't get them to move - THAT might be an issue. Maybe wrong venue for the style you do? That shit happen to me! House / EDM doesn't always go over well with Dubstep-based shows....

full disclosure: Can't get into the genre - I don't understand dubstep AT all - and I don't spin shit that doesn't keep me dancing - along with the crowd.
DJ Sergio B 8:47 PM - 16 April, 2012
...oh - cept this song : Watchwww.youtube.com

I don't think I'd spin that for a dance floor tho - but do dig this track.

I'm trying, dub heads! I just can't rock it :-(
pdidy 9:01 PM - 16 April, 2012
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And to add to that... if you're not on 1200's, cdj's, and/or maybe the NS7, you're not a real dj lol. NS7 get's my vote because it's a dope controller and sounds nice. If cdj's are industry standard then the NS7 isn't far behind... I still prefer 1200's.


Every rule you guys put down i'm gonna find a youtube, deal? :)

One of my favs. Not using sync either:

Watchwww.youtube.com
He got payed to do that rule ain't no real hip hop dj using a vci in the clubs lol.. but tight video anything is possible but you see what dude is rocking under that little toy.

Im a real hip hop , scratch dj and im considered a veteran (20+yrs) amongst my peers. And I use the vci300 in the clubs , sometimes 2.....lol. i26.photobucket.com
pdidy 9:07 PM - 16 April, 2012
DJ CAPRO 9:14 PM - 16 April, 2012
Yeah man the 300 is anything but a toy. Those that think otherwise must be compensating for something else with their oversized mp3 players.
pdidy 9:32 PM - 16 April, 2012
I have met alot of closed minded DJs like AustinG....... I dont take it personal because I no most djs like him have not been exposed to REAL djs like myself who are not limited by the tools we use. Im not a show off dj but I love when i meet djs like him because It give me the opportunity to change their entire way of thinking.....but in a good way, no beef or drama just skill.
DJ CAPRO 10:17 PM - 16 April, 2012
Yeah there's no offense taken. Ppl just need to be called on talking without knowing what's up.
AustinG 2:08 AM - 17 April, 2012
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And to add to that... if you're not on 1200's, cdj's, and/or maybe the NS7, you're not a real dj lol. NS7 get's my vote because it's a dope controller and sounds nice. If cdj's are industry standard then the NS7 isn't far behind... I still prefer 1200's.


Every rule you guys put down i'm gonna find a youtube, deal? :)

One of my favs. Not using sync either:

Watchwww.youtube.com
He got payed to do that rule ain't no real hip hop dj using a vci in the clubs lol.. but tight video anything is possible but you see what dude is rocking under that little toy.

Im a real hip hop , scratch dj and im considered a veteran (20+yrs) amongst my peers. And I use the vci300 in the clubs , sometimes 2.....lol. i26.photobucket.com


Do you have any mixtapes posted up anywhere? Would love to hear something.
AustinG 2:11 AM - 17 April, 2012
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I have met alot of closed minded DJs like AustinG....... I dont take it personal because I no most djs like him have not been exposed to REAL djs like myself who are not limited by the tools we use. Im not a show off dj but I love when i meet djs like him because It give me the opportunity to change their entire way of thinking.....but in a good way, no beef or drama just skill.


I hear you brother, been in the game a long time myself... but you def got my attention! I'm not closed minded, I guess i'm just a little bitter by the fact that there are scrubs in my city working with mixdecks, vci's and whatnot that are getting paid by another "dj" so he's only getting like 50 and the man is getting the rest... the game is just so messed up right now. I mean It's not hurting my pocket because these wannabe's in my city can't compete with me but it still get's under my skin that they buy a cheap controller and call themselves a DJ, without properly paying their dues.
Maskrider 3:39 AM - 17 April, 2012
I've been in the game too long and I still get excited with the New stuff that are available for Djs now....
Maskrider 3:46 AM - 17 April, 2012
Paying dues for what.........? If they decide to get involve in any other way they choose it's because it's available.......Shit if we have this option back in the day I wouldn't mind.
DJ CAPRO 3:51 AM - 17 April, 2012
^ you know, struggle to keep that blend icy tight with whatever cruddy monitor is killing your future eardrums so that the guys not dancing can stroke their beards and then go have pleasant dreams about your realness. lol
Dj Fitty 4:13 AM - 17 April, 2012
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Dancefloor empty = bad DJ


... or bad promoters.

+1
R-A-C 5:16 AM - 17 April, 2012
can this thread be moved to some chat area?
pdidy 5:33 AM - 17 April, 2012
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Do you have any mixtapes posted up anywhere? Would love to hear something.

No i dont, reason being.....I'm a perfectionist an im my own worst critic so no mix is ever good enough for me to share.......lol

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I hear you brother, been in the game a long time myself... but you def got my attention! I'm not closed minded, I guess i'm just a little bitter by the fact that there are scrubs in my city working with mixdecks, vci's and whatnot that are getting paid by another "dj" so he's only getting like 50 and the man is getting the rest... the game is just so messed up right now. I mean It's not hurting my pocket because these wannabe's in my city can't compete with me but it still get's under my skin that they buy a cheap controller and call themselves a DJ, without properly paying their dues.


Trust me i can relate to everything you're saying because i was once guilty of it too......
I went through the denial phase, bitter phase, angry at the dj game phase and the fuck this bs im out phase.....lol.... That shit lasted about a year before I snapped back to reality. The reality is, the days of paying dues as WE knew it are OVER. The dj game and technology is evolving quickly and in directions we never imagined. Once i accepted this and the fact that I have NO control over it, It made it easier to just let go of all the bs that was pissin me off because it served no valid purpose. DJs like us need to stay on top of our game in regards to the new technology and master it or you can get left behind.

Sure, new djs got it easy but they don't get a PASS for not learning basic skills.
Dj Yve 7:43 AM - 17 April, 2012
guys... go dj rather argue here...
comeon this whole thing was a joke/troll anyhow
it just brought up some ugly demons....:\
musicans can and should coexsit
let the simple minded do their thing and be above it

love>music<creativity
marcA 8:04 AM - 17 April, 2012
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Do you have any mixtapes posted up anywhere? Would love to hear something.


No i dont, reason being.....I'm a perfectionist an im my own worst critic so no mix is ever good enough for me to share.......lol



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I hear you brother, been in the game a long time myself... but you def got my attention! I'm not closed minded, I guess i'm just a little bitter by the fact that there are scrubs in my city working with mixdecks, vci's and whatnot that are getting paid by another "dj" so he's only getting like 50 and the man is getting the rest... the game is just so messed up right now. I mean It's not hurting my pocket because these wannabe's in my city can't compete with me but it still get's under my skin that they buy a cheap controller and call themselves a DJ, without properly paying their dues.




Trust me i can relate to everything you're saying because i was once guilty of it too......

I went through the denial phase, bitter phase, angry at the dj game phase and the fuck this bs im out phase.....lol.... That shit lasted about a year before I snapped back to reality. The reality is, the days of paying dues as WE knew it are OVER. The dj game and technology is evolving quickly and in directions we never imagined. Once i accepted this and the fact that I have NO control over it, It made it easier to just let go of all the bs that was pissin me off because it served no valid purpose. DJs like us need to stay on top of our game in regards to the new technology and master it or you can get left behind.



Sure, new djs got it easy but they don't get a PASS for not learning basic skills.

halelua
+1
AustinG 1:37 PM - 17 April, 2012
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guys... go dj rather argue here...
comeon this whole thing was a joke/troll anyhow
it just brought up some ugly demons....:\
musicans can and should coexsit
let the simple minded do their thing and be above it

love>music<creativity


nobody's fighting its all love over here!
Dj Fitty 3:53 PM - 17 April, 2012
Y don't we start a show yours skills thread like a online battle. Hey it can only make you better. You tube video 7 mins. You first @Austing
AustinG 4:03 PM - 17 April, 2012
I'm down I have a battle coming up May 10th that I need to tune up for.. I'm doing a trap set battle on another forum right now lol.. I love battling but there's something about the red record light that gives me worse jitters than playing out in front of my crowds... Set it up Fitty.
Dj Fitty 4:17 PM - 17 April, 2012
Bet , i been trying to take it to the next level, my hands get stage fright but might as well jump in and let the haters make me get better
Dj Fitty 4:27 PM - 17 April, 2012
serato.com submit your video here
DJ CAPRO 5:12 PM - 17 April, 2012
Here's an awesome performance using buttons only with an X1 to give some of you some future perspective. It doesn't matter what you play your music with.

boilerroom.tv
hologram 6:59 PM - 17 April, 2012
I've posted this before and I'll post it again.
I've seen people use two cassette tape players at house parties in the hoods of Raleigh, North Carolina and rock the party.
Lord know how many DJs had to learn to rock a crowd with out beat mixing when Black Angus took out the second turntables company wide....
The kid with the two iPODs and the QSC speakers out here is still getting paid and still rocks the big million dollar house parties from dinner to wind down with no beat mixing.

Being a DJ is not about having that one skill, you gonna go tell Tiesto he's not a DJ,
didn't he say he was going to throw away his CDJs and just use ableton, guess what. All sync button.
Being a DJ is exactly what Cerla Said, read the crowd and make them happy with your programing, whether it's commercial or that shit only you have in you swag...

What tools you use is up to you.
Just don't front you're a tunrtablelist when you you play premixed CDs.
Dj Fitty 8:38 PM - 17 April, 2012
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I've posted this before and I'll post it again.
I've seen people use two cassette tape players at house parties in the hoods of Raleigh, North Carolina and rock the party.
Lord know how many DJs had to learn to rock a crowd with out beat mixing when Black Angus took out the second turntables company wide....
The kid with the two iPODs and the QSC speakers out here is still getting paid and still rocks the big million dollar house parties from dinner to wind down with no beat mixing.

Being a DJ is not about having that one skill, you gonna go tell Tiesto he's not a DJ,
didn't he say he was going to throw away his CDJs and just use ableton, guess what. All sync button.
Being a DJ is exactly what Cerla Said, read the crowd and make them happy with your programing, whether it's commercial or that shit only you have in you swag...

What tools you use is up to you.
Just don't front you're a tunrtablelist when you you play premixed CDs.


Damn is the kid that good? or is he the only DJ down there jamming what people wanna here, well if gets a real DJ set, y'all better watch out.
FabulousFrequencies 9:53 PM - 17 April, 2012
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And to add to that... if you're not on 1200's, cdj's, and/or maybe the NS7, you're not a real dj lol. NS7 get's my vote because it's a dope controller and sounds nice. If cdj's are industry standard then the NS7 isn't far behind... I still prefer 1200's.


Every rule you guys put down i'm gonna find a youtube, deal? :)

One of my favs. Not using sync either:

Watchwww.youtube.com
He got payed to do that rule ain't no real hip hop dj using a vci in the clubs lol.. but tight video anything is possible but you see what dude is rocking under that little toy.


I seen what he's rockin, I also seen the top comments where he tells someone he notches the buffer up at gigs to be safe.. Ie. He takes it to gigs. Way to pay attention and NOT pay attention at the same time.

/quotereply

I just got started in this game, and I did it for ME. Not for an audience, not to impress other 'DJ's, and not even for 'bitches'; But to play my kind of instrument. To me that's what all this equipment is. It doesn't matter if you're rockin a Vestax VCI or 2 8-tracks and a radio shack 2 channel mixer from 1988. These are instruments, and they all have features. This is the instrument I chose to make my music the way I want to. If other people enjoy that; great.

I could care less if anyone ever calls me a 'real DJ' and I think it's all a bunch of egomania propped up by dinosaurs that are upset that some people have it easier now than they did.
Just like your parents telling the story about walking up hill, to school, both ways, in the snow, with no shoes.. And 'us lazy kids today all want to drive to school..' Same shit, different subject.

Why don't you 'big timers' take your now discontinued 1200's, your predated cdj1000's (they have new models ya know...) and anything else you covet as 'real DJ gear' and jamb it as far up your ... as you can possibly get it. This is tired, and old, and I see people get discouraged DAILY by 'real dj's' talking down on them to the point where some of them give up on pursuing something they're interested in. I think that's incredibly sad. Those people should never be shamed from doing something they love because you have a superiority complex driven by the mere fact that you HAD nothing better to use 'back in your day' and that's REAL talk..

FYI, I don't use SYNC or TEMPO. I am doing things the hard way so if I ever step up to a piece of equipment that doesn't HAVE that feature, i'm not completely blind and that's the ONLY reason i'm learning this way. Once *I* know I can go with or without it, I fully intend to take advantage of the features if and when they can help me with my mix. Cry Cry Cry all you like. Shake your heads, give your dirty looks, and whisper sweet nothings to your 800lb ns7's while you pet them.

Oh.. and I don't hate on 'mouse mixers' either.. You mad? Anybody lookin for reasons to talk down on someone is small.. period. :)

- Matt
djbagz 1:27 AM - 18 April, 2012
this topic reminds me of

Watchwww.youtube.com
Dj Fitty 2:53 AM - 18 April, 2012
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FYI, I don't use SYNC or TEMPO. I am doing things the hard way so if I ever step up to a piece of equipment that doesn't HAVE that feature, i'm not completely blind and that's the ONLY reason i'm learning this way. Once *I* know I can go with or without it, I fully intend to take advantage of the features if and when they can help me with my mix.
- Matt

I think thats the best way. I knew dj'n was not easy but once I made in my mind I really want to learn everything I found out how hard and time consuming it is. Now when I see dj spin here in Houston with skills I have a different level of respect for them.
FabulousFrequencies 4:50 AM - 18 April, 2012
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this topic reminds me of

Watchwww.youtube.com


ROFL! I kicked a dead horse did I? Sorry, I get annoyed by ego's and people who don't pay attention so I had to toss my .02 in :P

- Matt
AustinG 12:25 PM - 18 April, 2012
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And to add to that... if you're not on 1200's, cdj's, and/or maybe the NS7, you're not a real dj lol. NS7 get's my vote because it's a dope controller and sounds nice. If cdj's are industry standard then the NS7 isn't far behind... I still prefer 1200's.


Every rule you guys put down i'm gonna find a youtube, deal? :)

One of my favs. Not using sync either:

Watchwww.youtube.com
He got payed to do that rule ain't no real hip hop dj using a vci in the clubs lol.. but tight video anything is possible but you see what dude is rocking under that little toy.


I seen what he's rockin, I also seen the top comments where he tells someone he notches the buffer up at gigs to be safe.. Ie. He takes it to gigs. Way to pay attention and NOT pay attention at the same time.

/quotereply

I just got started in this game, and I did it for ME. Not for an audience, not to impress other 'DJ's, and not even for 'bitches'; But to play my kind of instrument. To me that's what all this equipment is. It doesn't matter if you're rockin a Vestax VCI or 2 8-tracks and a radio shack 2 channel mixer from 1988. These are instruments, and they all have features. This is the instrument I chose to make my music the way I want to. If other people enjoy that; great.

I could care less if anyone ever calls me a 'real DJ' and I think it's all a bunch of egomania propped up by dinosaurs that are upset that some people have it easier now than they did.
Just like your parents telling the story about walking up hill, to school, both ways, in the snow, with no shoes.. And 'us lazy kids today all want to drive to school..' Same shit, different subject.

Why don't you 'big timers' take your now discontinued 1200's, your predated cdj1000's (they have new models ya know...) and anything else you covet as 'real DJ gear' and jamb it as far up your ... as you can possibly get it. This is tired, and old, and I see people get discouraged DAILY by 'real dj's' talking down on them to the point where some of them give up on pursuing something they're interested in. I think that's incredibly sad. Those people should never be shamed from doing something they love because you have a superiority complex driven by the mere fact that you HAD nothing better to use 'back in your day' and that's REAL talk..

FYI, I don't use SYNC or TEMPO. I am doing things the hard way so if I ever step up to a piece of equipment that doesn't HAVE that feature, i'm not completely blind and that's the ONLY reason i'm learning this way. Once *I* know I can go with or without it, I fully intend to take advantage of the features if and when they can help me with my mix. Cry Cry Cry all you like. Shake your heads, give your dirty looks, and whisper sweet nothings to your 800lb ns7's while you pet them.

Oh.. and I don't hate on 'mouse mixers' either.. You mad? Anybody lookin for reasons to talk down on someone is small.. period. :)

- Matt


Tell yourself that the next time you see a fucking wannabe in your city taking gigs for $50 using one of these toys.
FabulousFrequencies 2:26 PM - 18 April, 2012
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Tell yourself that the next time you see a fucking wannabe in your city taking gigs for $50 using one of these toys.


Which part exactly?
d:raf 4:17 PM - 18 April, 2012
There were wannabes taking gigs for $50/beer money/"exposure"/<insert non-monetary compensation here> using turntables back in the day too... same as it ever was.

Tired subject, but always fun to point & laugh at... lol.
Dj Yve 5:15 PM - 18 April, 2012
david guetta worked for free in hes early days....just to work. cuz its in hes blood.
Dave The One 6:13 PM - 18 April, 2012
Anyone who uses pitch on turntables isn't a real DJ; real Dj's used their fingers to speed up and slow down records to keep them in sync before pitch control was invented. Keep it real! And while you're at it record your mixes to 8 track or reel to reel.

Otherwise you're just a fake DJ too!
elsupermang 6:24 PM - 18 April, 2012
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Anyone who uses pitch on turntables isn't a real DJ; real Dj's used their fingers to speed up and slow down records to keep them in sync before pitch control was invented. Keep it real! And while you're at it record your mixes to 8 track or reel to reel.

Otherwise you're just a fake DJ too!


I'm not a DJ, i'm a mixologist! If u know what movie this is, you're just as sad as I am. :-)
DJ CAPRO 6:29 PM - 18 April, 2012
Real graphic designers type set with metal letters and crop photos with red tape! I'm a fake designer that uses a computer but it pays so whatever!
Dave The One 6:41 PM - 18 April, 2012
^
Dude you're not real; no disrespect!

In fact no one in here is real; hiding behind the internet and keyboards
and typing your words instead of being face to face.
DJ CAPRO 7:04 PM - 18 April, 2012
LOL

still can't tell if you're being serious. well played or WOW.
Dave The One 7:16 PM - 18 April, 2012
Dude you can't tell because none of this is real...

LOL; I had to poke some fun because I can't believe the thread has gone on this long.....
DJ CAPRO 7:21 PM - 18 April, 2012
hahaha true
DJ Frank Wite 7:23 PM - 18 April, 2012
Yeah, but entertaining however. This forum is as slow as driving with you car door open picking up leaves.
Dave The One 7:41 PM - 18 April, 2012
11-1-10 (RIP) That's a date every real dj should know.

My history; lol I used the Sl 1100 and 1200 (not the mk2) oh and I got stuck playing a gig with an slbd10 and an sl 1200 mkII way back in the day. Talk about learning the fine art of mixing!

I have an NS6 now; and love it despite the pitch resolution that I didn't know existed until I visited these forums.

I enjoy using the bpm match on the ns6 and beatgridding and using sync and deejaying without headphones because I can recall every cue point i've set for each song. I can blend nice and long with or without sync engaged.

I hate pioneer CDJ's; really I do; hate the size; the rough scraping platters which brings me to the DDJS1 (vomits) I've bought and returned Novations twitch and Vestax VCI 300; i'm not a fan of the small size.

Anyway; i'm absolutely heavily opinionated when it comes to certain things and when people bitch about sync and pitch controls I always chime in; Oh I do chime in on anything vestax or Pioneer but the time and energy spent joking around with people that love those gadgets are an absolute bliss filled waste of time.

Ahh yes; I like traktor too but I like serato itch better in spite of it's tremendous shortcomings.

One request!

I'd like the SYNC button to be bigger than every button on any controller that comes out.

In fact I'd like a seperate Sync controller the size of apples magic trackpad to sync everything!
Dave The One 7:47 PM - 18 April, 2012
While i'm on this great rant I'll shamelessly plug some glitch style mixes that I've done (using software, not live deejaying; not yet at least)

Mike Hoska; Ean Golden; Puhleeeeze!!! You call that glitch mixing?
I call it a nice try!

I call this the art of glitch (hypnotize - system of a down) snd.sc

and for the hip hop heads Tony Yayo - I know you don't love me snd.sc

I'm kidding about Mike and Ean; I like those dudes but I'm coming for them.....
d:raf 8:08 PM - 18 April, 2012
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david guetta worked for free in hes early days....just to work. cuz its in hes blood.


I'm willing to bet that the majority of DJs here or anywhere else didn't start out charging triple-digits (or more) for gigs.
Dave The One 8:17 PM - 18 April, 2012
Block Parties for free! Record Pool Feedback Parties for free! I met Tony Touch (bushwick), Kenny Dope Gonzalez (sunset park), Little Louie Vega (manhattan @ club 1018) and many more this way and got paid work after....
FabulousFrequencies 8:18 PM - 18 April, 2012
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I'd like the SYNC button to be bigger than every button on any controller that comes out.

In fact I'd like a seperate Sync controller the size of apples magic trackpad to sync everything!


WIN!
FabulousFrequencies 8:23 PM - 18 April, 2012
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Block Parties for free! Record Pool Feedback Parties for free! I met Tony Touch (bushwick), Kenny Dope Gonzalez (sunset park), Little Louie Vega (manhattan @ club 1018) and many more this way and got paid work after....


But but but.. Dave.. that's using new fangled technothingies and the unbeatably low low price of zero to undercut REAL DJ's.. Don't you understand you have to pay your dues?!?! SON!?!

This is you: Watchwww.youtube.com

This is a REAL DJ: Watchwww.youtube.com

Now stfu and pay your dues.. Ya underdig? lulz..
Dave The One 8:32 PM - 18 April, 2012
^^^^^
ROFLMAO; yeah this dude paid his dues!
DJ Boss Sounds 2:39 PM - 20 June, 2012
Sorry it's hot outside....let's heat up the boards.

Again, if you can't do the basics.....you suck.
DJ CAPRO 2:58 PM - 20 June, 2012
LOL

This www.youtube.com
pdidy 3:17 PM - 20 June, 2012
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LOL

This www.youtube.com

+1
d:raf 6:00 PM - 20 June, 2012
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LOL

This www.youtube.com


+eleventy-million
DJ Boss Sounds 12:02 AM - 21 June, 2012
I'm talking about:

Watchwww.youtube.com

and:
Watchwww.youtube.com

and:
Watchwww.youtube.com



The only dj allowed to push buttons and use sync is this guy- he's dope!:
Watchwww.youtube.com
Papa Midnight 12:59 AM - 21 June, 2012

Rather low view count on those... how hard did you have to dig? LoL!

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The only dj allowed to push buttons and use sync is this guy- he's dope!:
Watchwww.youtube.com

He's using the hotkeys of VDJ. But considering his condition, I'll give that guy respect for his dedication.
DJ CAPRO 1:48 AM - 21 June, 2012
wow

get out the internet
DJ CAPRO 3:31 AM - 21 June, 2012
as a self respecting DJ who can blend any matchable beat within 10 seconds:

1) respect that it took some time to get to that point

2) realize that if a computer can do that AND you can actually use your time to do something better then do it

nobody that you're trying to impress cares about blending 2 records anymore. might as well be a portrait artist complaining about cameras
d:raf 3:51 AM - 21 June, 2012
I wonder how many people complaining about the sync button have actually tried using it? Ya'll seem to think it instantly gives you godlike powers that turn you into the greatest DJ ever. The last time I was teaching someone how to use my controller it took a minute for them just to nail down what the downbeat was and another minute to get coordinated enough to hit "play" on it. We didn't even get into phrasing or dealing with tempo switches that session; it reminded me of just how many aspects there are to DJing that I completely take for granted beyond beatmatching just because I've been doing it for so long.

Ya'll fear what you don't understand. Personally my favorite way to use it is on the 3rd/4th decks to assist in layering subtle complementary loops beneath songs/transitions (which can be a challenge by itself; too much sonic content can turn things into a cacophony really quickly). It's not even applicable in every DJ situation, so knowing when you can and can't use it is another nuance; I find myself turning it off and on throughout my set as applicable.
d:raf 3:56 AM - 21 June, 2012
...and that's not even mentioning the fact that you -still- have to make minor adjustments with the jog wheels even if the two songs are "locked", especially if you're playing vinyl rips (which make up a good 60-70 percent of my library).
d:raf 4:09 AM - 21 June, 2012
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I hardly use it cause most of the time its not good most of my music needs to be warped properly once in a while I'll test it out to see how good it is:)


One thing that annoyed me about Itch 2.2 is the fact that beatgrids are automatically "on" by default; they're definitely hit or miss; deleting them track-by-track is a hassle (when I analyzed my tracks back when you had the option to turn them -all- off I figured "what the hell; we'll see what they can do" and left the "add beatgrid" option on).
bluefoot 7:08 AM - 21 June, 2012
I dont use sync, I'm too set in my ways.

But there is only one response to this thread/discussion/troll:

stop tracking button, top right of my browser window.
revancheX 3:42 PM - 21 June, 2012
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Dancefloor full = good DJ
Dancefloor empty = bad DJ

Doesn't matter how you play or how you achieve it.

Now close thread & move on...


Dancefloor empty + full bar = happy customers = profitable venue + full dancefloor later = DJ who will get to keep DJing.

There's a little more to this game than keeping the dancefloor full, bro.
revancheX 3:47 PM - 21 June, 2012
By the way, if you use ANY sort of DAW solution (such as ITCH/SL), you're probably exploiting visual cues (provided by a computer) to align tempos and beats.

What is the substantive difference between using those visual cues to align things and just pressing the goddamned sync button? Especially if you set/verify those grids yourself? Especially if you check the mix in your cans to see if it sounds great? Especially if you use the extra time you get from just pressing goddamn sync to get the sound color just right so your mix sounds awesome in all respects instead of just beat matched? Especially if you use the extra time afforded by sync to remix the track on the fly so you can make a track you really want to play fit the crowd but don't want to kill the mood with a breakdown (or you want to chain breakdowns to flush everyone to the bar)?

Yeah, seriously, those who hate on sync are stuck in freaking 2001. And they're welcome to it. In the meantime, the rest of us will advance the art.
DJ CAPRO 5:06 PM - 21 June, 2012
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By the way, if you use ANY sort of DAW solution (such as ITCH/SL), you're probably exploiting visual cues (provided by a computer) to align tempos and beats.


I do this simply to avoid tinnitus as a workplace hazard of DJing. If I can manage to avoid blasting the monitors and go off the room sound that's what I prefer... It sounds better for the people at the front of the dancefloor anyway.
revancheX 5:08 PM - 21 June, 2012
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I do this simply to avoid tinnitus as a workplace hazard of DJing. If I can manage to avoid blasting the monitors and go off the room sound that's what I prefer... It sounds better for the people at the front of the dancefloor anyway.


Yeah, that's another benefit of waveriding--you don't have to butcher your ears to isolate the beats for matching.

But, sorry, you don't get to waveride and hate on sync, like ever.
DJ CAPRO 5:14 PM - 21 June, 2012
I use sync whenever I feel like so no worries :)
revancheX 5:21 PM - 21 June, 2012
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I use sync whenever I feel like so no worries :)


:)

I'm sure we went through this bullshit when CDJs displaced vinyl, too. I missed that era, but whatever.
DJ CAPRO 5:24 PM - 21 June, 2012
Yeah I always refer to CDJs as the Switzerland of this debacle...
revancheX 5:25 PM - 21 June, 2012
That's freaking awesome, I'ma steal that. :D
DJ CAPRO 5:30 PM - 21 June, 2012
;-)
revancheX 11:11 PM - 21 June, 2012
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Also Sometimes when the wave files match up on Itch the beats still sounds off so thats when you use the old mixing skills, You can never rely fully on the sync button:)


True that. Though I set & verify the grids myself, so full autosync would in theory work. But mostly it's just to lock the tempos of all tracks together, and I use the platter to nudge out what I like to call "Fourier damage." Sometimes that's not enough and you have to EQ it, though.
revancheX 11:39 PM - 21 June, 2012
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have you tried "platinum notes"


Heard about it. Is it really worth it?
R-A-C 1:04 AM - 22 June, 2012
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Though I set & verify the grids myself, so full autosync would in theory work. But mostly it's just to lock the tempos of all tracks together, and I use the platter to nudge out what I like to call "Fourier damage." Sometimes that's not enough and you have to EQ it, though.

exactly the same here. i never use sync not only because in most cases it doesn't sound right but also because i wanna touch the thing at least once before i push the fader in.
auto tempo is a really nice thing but the actual timing by hand still is unmatched
Dave The One 11:24 PM - 23 June, 2012
Sync is cool and what not; to each their own.

I think my problem is that the scene is boring; it's not what it used to be; you have these katts buying all the latest gadgets and get the ooh's and aaah's for it's specific features.

I just wish it was fun like it was back then; it was cool no matter what you used or did, everyone shared techniques and marveled at mods like taking out the zero crossing on the 1200's and making the break stop nice and tight.

That's just me, no disrespect but anyone who uses sync is ok with me if the mix is dope....
Dave The One 11:45 PM - 23 June, 2012
This guy is in the zone; it isn't about sync or anything; it's about feeling the music......
youtu.be
revancheX 11:46 PM - 23 June, 2012
It's weird. Tools like ITCH, etc. can help you make your mixes sound as smooth as glass and give you the creative energy to try even more interesting things. But I see a lot of guys using these tools and they can't even get that part right. Confusing.
Dave The One 11:51 PM - 23 June, 2012
Yeah man; it's like just getting in the zone with the music and the crowd; syncing and vibing with the crowd...

for instance youtu.be

These katts are just messing with the isolator to alter the frequencies of the music which is a big part of playing for the house music crowd.....
revancheX 11:53 PM - 23 June, 2012
Nice videos.

Pitch color is definitely one thing we're missing from ITCH too :(
Dave The One 12:00 AM - 24 June, 2012
Algorridim are doing some nice things with Djay too. It's really fun to play on djay for the mac.

Yeah; I just wish serato or someone would sit down and integrate all these things into one ill dj application. We're getting bits and pieces of brilliant stuff with ableton, serato, traktor, virtual dj, djay etc...

It's about having fun with what you're doing, even if your finger hits the sync button once in a while; I mean isn't that ultimately what happens when you play catch up or slow down with your pitch control on the technics 1200s?

lastly; if you don't feel like this when you're playing; even if not for a crowd; then you shouldn't be djaying......
youtu.be
Dave The One 12:21 AM - 24 June, 2012
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Dunno bout you but my mixes sound smooth as glass before Serato was born even before Final scratch I learnt the art of mixing and blending buy listing and picking up the mistakes before it even happens

Dj's that scratch and cut cant really beat-mix take me for instance I can mix smooth and tight but cant scratch for sh*t I want to make money in this buz and scratching to me is not really necessary


Good point; I did too; I learned many arts like splicing reel to reel tape too; to get certain effects. The art of mixing and slicing has evolved though. The creation of music has unfortunately too and with it a new crop of Dj's have too; I like the mike hoska's and the lot of you guys talking about the art of djaying in it's original form because we learned how to do it the old way and integrated it to what we have now. I'm not bashing anyone over sync though or how they choose to express themselves. There will be people that will never have touched turntables and will become the next big thing. I have no issues with that....
kraal 8:54 PM - 25 June, 2012
in 2012 if all you can attest to as a dj is knowing how to beatmatch... well.... sync button does exactly what i can do with the pitch only faster.
Papa Midnight 12:11 AM - 26 June, 2012
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in 2012 if all you can attest to as a dj is knowing how to beatmatch... well.... sync button does exactly what i can do with the pitch only faster.

LoL, not everyone can even beat match correctly so I wouldn't even go there. Hell, I'd be willing to bet there's many a DJ who don't even know what a BPM is. Likewise, I know plenty of DJs who can beatmatch, scratch (and scratch well), cut, drop, and still can't level or gain to save their life.
revancheX 12:48 AM - 26 June, 2012
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LoL, not everyone can even beat match correctly so I wouldn't even go there. Hell, I'd be willing to bet there's many a DJ who don't even know what a BPM is. Likewise, I know plenty of DJs who can beatmatch, scratch (and scratch well), cut, drop, and still can't level or gain to save their life.


By far, leveling is the most difficult technique thing--way harder than anything involving rhythm. To make matters worse, levels are subjective (eg, vocals subjectively sound louder) and highly influenced by acoustics.

And you're right about this--it's almost as though having the technology makes people forget about the basics that were automated. What the actual fuck....? D:
revancheX 1:46 AM - 26 June, 2012
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Trim/EQ/Color. Also with the right xfader contour it works OK.

I sometimes EQ, sometimes pull the channel faders down a bit, and sometimes use color FX (eg, LPF/HPF).
revancheX 1:55 AM - 26 June, 2012
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shows you how oldschool I am lol


haha, nothing wrong with that!

I see myself evolving more towards live remixer than traditional DJ anyway. If you're using the old school tools, there's still some appeal, but we have to push the art along somehow if we're going to take advantage of all this gadgetry.
d:raf 6:15 AM - 26 June, 2012
I thought the whole idea of "traditional" mixing got kinda fuzzy once SSL brought forth the cue points and looping tools (and made them 10x easier to use than CDJs)... it's only gotten more open from there. There are so many things you can do on a controller without thinking that are downright impossible (or at the very least, extremely difficult) for turntables; I just wish I had more time to play around with mine than I do; the possibilities seem almost endless...

Of course, there are things that turntables can do that controllers can't as well; it's like horse vs. car. A car will get you everywhere much faster & more comfortably, but you can't drive a car through a river or the woods. A car also won't get you into horse races (aka DMC competitions. lol)

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I sometimes EQ, sometimes pull the channel faders down a bit, and sometimes use color FX (eg, LPF/HPF).


I don't know if it's like this in all the Itch controllers, but on the Xone DX you can mix using nothing -but- the EQ if you want; having all 3 turned all the way down results in silence. Very handy :)
AustinG 1:06 PM - 26 June, 2012
If you haven't paid your dues and you rely on sync, you are as fake as Paris Hilton... you might as well go on and bedazzle your headphones and your laptop.
DJ Frank Wite 2:02 PM - 26 June, 2012
The old paying your dues saying! SMH!! I always wonder just who do you pay them too. This whole conservation about sync has these old back in the day "djs" that didn't have this technology mad as hell. I say again if autosync was available back in the day (the mid 80's) when I started out I would have used everything that was available especially if I paid for that luxury. If blows my mind how "djs" get all worked up about buttons , buttons, buttons. "They" must have forgotten that it doesn't take a college degree to call yourself a dj and it never will.

It use to take practic and more practice to be a good dj, but with today's technology it only takes a little money to call yourself a dj. Buy a controllor or a set of tt's and boom you're a dj. Again I say that I couldn't care less about what the next man use to produce his mixes because I'm confident in what I do.

I went to a concert last year and the greatest dj ever Dj Jazzy Jeff did all the sets for the night (in between the acts.) He was killing it and what was so funny the younger folk didn't even know who he was until one of the groups said that he was the guy that played on the fresh prince of bel air. I just shook my head and said that's what paying your dues will get you. I showed my 17 yo daughter a video of Jazzy Jeff scratching and she didn't even know that he was a dj either. How about those dues.

People don't care if you use sync or use auto on your dslr, just as long as they can dance and as long as they can see themselves on that picture taken. This is the same argument that I see in photography forums. It's a big waste of time. If everyone would just do them and not worry about the next these kind of conversations would die fast.

I love the progression of technology which is why as soon as they started to sale the ns7 I sold my old @$$ 1200's, bought the ns7 and haven't looked back. Best move I've ever made.

Long live the sync button and the growth technology!

I'm just saying.
Papa Midnight 2:08 PM - 26 June, 2012
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how are you supposed to level when you mix like that


Trim/EQ/Color. Also with the right xfader contour it works OK.

I sometimes EQ, sometimes pull the channel faders down a bit, and sometimes use color FX (eg, LPF/HPF).

Likewise. I run at the top usually, but I also know how to use a gain knob properly, lol.
hologram 2:19 PM - 26 June, 2012
wow this is still going......

DJSyndic8 it's funny you posted the "when it's OK to use the SYN button."
I agree.

If you are drunk or you can't beat mix that night for what ever reason, but you got the GIG already, use the SYNC button. I didn't come to the spot and pay for a bottle or two to hear you messing up.

Practice your art at home.
DJ Frank Wite 2:31 PM - 26 June, 2012
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People don't care if you use sync or use auto on your dslr,


its more of a DJ community discussion

I think this all stemmed from old-school DJ's watching everyman and his dog become DJ's within the last 10 years, and oldschool DJ's like myself are getting way less money than before mainly because the technology and the sync button

Pay your Dues=start from the bottom and work yourself up to being a DJ
but with the Sync button its strait to the middle


It's a photographer community discussion as well. Same thing with older photographers. Just visit a few forums. Same of song everyday, because these younger guys have it such easier than we did.

I'm an old school dj and I don't see anything wrong with the newer generation having it easier. I know that I'm glad that technology is better because I love driving my car to work everyday with air rather hoping on the back of a horse riding in.

I don't know what to tell you but technology is a good thing and the same thing that is happening to the older dj's it will do a full circle with the new dj's now.

I said this early in this boring thread... None of these old school djs ever complain about using ssl or using cue buttons. We didn't use that back in the day, but I use the heck out of it. There is no way some of this stuff could be pulled off with the old technology from back in the day.

I hear you on the start from the buttom, but why would you with this technology. Again if it was available back in my day I would start right at the top too. No one cares but "the self called real djs". I'm a real dj but I don't care if the next man or woman used an ipod to dj a party as long as the do it right and in a professional way.
d:raf 3:33 PM - 26 June, 2012
An early prototype of this discussion: serato.com
DJ Boss Sounds 3:52 PM - 26 June, 2012
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If you haven't paid your dues and you rely on sync, you are as fake as Paris Hilton... you might as well go on and bedazzle your headphones and your laptop.




+1.5 Trillion^2
revancheX 5:59 PM - 29 June, 2012
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If you haven't paid your dues and you rely on sync, you are as fake as Paris Hilton... you might as well go on and bedazzle your headphones and your laptop.




+1.5 Trillion^2


This is the kind of thing people say when all they bring to the game is the ability to beatmatch and nothing else.

Yawn, nobody is impressed with that shit anymore. Learn a new freaking trick.
revancheX 6:01 PM - 29 June, 2012
By the way, one night I jumped in a tag set on CDJs and dropped in two tracks perfectly. This surprised the hell out of everyone because they see me using autotempo in every set. The crowd loved my tracks, btw.

Haterz can lick my nine. SERIOUSLY. Beatmatching ain't shit, and I don't give a damn what you say otherwise.
d:raf 6:23 PM - 29 June, 2012
Knowing how to beatmatch is like knowing how to drive stick; it's a worthwhile skill to have but it's far from essential. The only time beatmatching skill comes in handy is when:

(a) you're using a platform that doesn't have sync and it's an essential part of your style,

(b) you're trying to sync with a separate audio source from your controller and you don't have some sort of reliable midi clock link, and

(c) you're trying to impress people who still think it matters.
revancheX 6:27 PM - 29 June, 2012
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(b) you're trying to sync with a separate audio source from your controller and you don't have some sort of reliable midi clock link, and


I have to do this all the time anyway when mixing into the last guy. This is how I sharpened up my technique without actually giving a crap about it.

Seriously, beatmatching is NOT a significant skill barrier to complain about autosync. It doesn't lower the bar to entry at all. People who misuse autosync still sound like ass. Your issue isn't with autosync, it's with managers, promoters, and patrons who have no discernment. In other words, the same goddamn problem DJs have had for 40 years.
d:raf 6:35 PM - 29 June, 2012
Fun game: beatmatch manually for 10 seconds on an ITCH controller without checking the screen, then check the bpm readouts to see how close you were. I can usually get it within .10, sometimes within .01-.02 when I'm feelin' it...
Papa Midnight 1:02 AM - 30 June, 2012
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This is the kind of thing people say when all they bring to the game is the ability to beatmatch and nothing else.

Yawn, nobody is impressed with that shit anymore. Learn a new freaking trick.


bit harsh there bro same thing could be said about scratch djs sometimes you guys are annoying at gigs because the scratching is louder than the song whats up with that?

at least mixing and blending 2 songs flawlessly can be enjoyed and understood by many in the crowd but scratching?


Yeah... I have to agree. That comment was pretty weak dude...
revancheX 5:11 AM - 30 June, 2012
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bit harsh there bro same thing could be said about scratch djs sometimes you guys are annoying at gigs because the scratching is louder than the song whats up with that?

at least mixing and blending 2 songs flawlessly can be enjoyed and understood by many in the crowd but scratching?


Good turntablism is a skill I have always and will always respect, regardless of tech. It doesn't take a scene junky or a rocket scientist to understand Jazzy Jeff, Qbert, Ztrip, and Mixmaster mike.

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If you want to occasionally make money and compete in competitions learn to scratch


Well now you're talking sense, which is all I was ever asking of the people who contribute to the discussion on the sync button.
AustinG 11:57 PM - 30 June, 2012
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If you haven't paid your dues and you rely on sync, you are as fake as Paris Hilton... you might as well go on and bedazzle your headphones and your laptop.




+1.5 Trillion^2


This is the kind of thing people say when all they bring to the game is the ability to beatmatch and nothing else.

Yawn, nobody is impressed with that shit anymore. Learn a new freaking trick.


You wanna battle homie? whatever style you want
revancheX 12:13 AM - 1 July, 2012
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You wanna battle homie? whatever style you want


No bio, no playlists, airdropping into this thread to talk shit about things he doesn't know about....

Hm, what is my upside on picking up this gauntlet you have so impertinently thrown at my feet?
Papa Midnight 12:31 AM - 1 July, 2012
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No bio, no playlists, airdropping into this thread to talk shit about things he doesn't know about....

Hm, what is my upside on picking up this gauntlet you have so impertinently thrown at my feet?


lol

int.na.tl
int.na.tl
phatbob 12:38 AM - 1 July, 2012
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If you haven't paid your dues and you rely on sync, you are as fake as Paris Hilton... you might as well go on and bedazzle your headphones and your laptop.




+1.5 Trillion^2


This is the kind of thing people say when all they bring to the game is the ability to beatmatch and nothing else.

Yawn, nobody is impressed with that shit anymore. Learn a new freaking trick.


You wanna battle homie? whatever style you want


Hey, guess what? All those girls on the dancefloor don't give a SHIT how well you can 'battle'.

Chest-pounding is for meatheads and little boys.

Play music. Make people happy. That's my job, dunno about you.
AustinG 1:29 AM - 1 July, 2012
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You wanna battle homie? whatever style you want


No bio, no playlists, airdropping into this thread to talk shit about things he doesn't know about....

Hm, what is my upside on picking up this gauntlet you have so impertinently thrown at my feet?


Hey hold on, you were the one that said beatmatching is the only trick a guy like me has... so yeah, i'm calling you out. Your move....
AustinG 1:31 AM - 1 July, 2012
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If you haven't paid your dues and you rely on sync, you are as fake as Paris Hilton... you might as well go on and bedazzle your headphones and your laptop.




+1.5 Trillion^2


This is the kind of thing people say when all they bring to the game is the ability to beatmatch and nothing else.

Yawn, nobody is impressed with that shit anymore. Learn a new freaking trick.


You wanna battle homie? whatever style you want


Hey, guess what? All those girls on the dancefloor don't give a SHIT how well you can 'battle'.

Chest-pounding is for meatheads and little boys.

Play music. Make people happy. That's my job, dunno about you.


I do that 4 nights a week player (yup my job pays well) but no meathead here.... If I were a meathead I would call him out to a hip hop battle, but i'm gonna let him pick the format. Tired of motherf'rs running their mouths on here without backing ish up. So let's do this how REAL dj's do
Papa Midnight 1:34 AM - 1 July, 2012
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No bio, no playlists, airdropping into this thread to talk shit about things he doesn't know about....

Hm, what is my upside on picking up this gauntlet you have so impertinently thrown at my feet?


Hey hold on, you were the one that said beatmatching is the only trick a guy like me has... so yeah, i'm calling you out. Your move....

int.na.tl
Papa Midnight 1:35 AM - 1 July, 2012
Hell, since this is the ITCH forum, I say make it interesting... Sets should be performed on an ITCH controller with the ITCH software.
AustinG 1:58 AM - 1 July, 2012
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Hell, since this is the ITCH forum, I say make it interesting... Sets should be performed on an ITCH controller with the ITCH software.


whatever you want, i have an ns7 and 1200's
DJ Frank Wite 2:14 AM - 1 July, 2012
now this should be a lot fun! do your thing austinG!
revancheX 8:42 AM - 1 July, 2012
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Hey hold on, you were the one that said beatmatching is the only trick a guy like me has... so yeah, i'm calling you out. Your move....


You were the one to make the first callout, broheim. Based on jack shit, I might add.

Further, you've still given me no upside. I have nothing to prove and nothing to hide. I upload a goddamn playlist every time I play out. I also upload all my stupid mixes to this site. Yet, you've contributed nothing in that regard. Why should I pick up the gauntlet? NO FUCKING UPSIDE.
djkrazyleo 3:38 PM - 1 July, 2012
I think this is the best thread ever i love the fact that people are expressing their emotions. Oh how music can unite us LOL.
hologram 4:21 PM - 1 July, 2012
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People don't care if you use sync or use auto on your dslr,


its more of a DJ community discussion

I think this all stemmed from old-school DJ's watching everyman and his dog become DJ's within the last 10 years, and oldschool DJ's like myself are getting way less money than before mainly because the technology and the sync button

Pay your Dues=start from the bottom and work yourself up to being a DJ
but with the Sync button its strait to the middle


It's a photographer community discussion as well. Same thing with older photographers. Just visit a few forums. Same of song everyday, because these younger guys have it such easier than we did.

I'm an old school dj and I don't see anything wrong with the newer generation having it easier. I know that I'm glad that technology is better because I love driving my car to work everyday with air rather hoping on the back of a horse riding in.

I don't know what to tell you but technology is a good thing and the same thing that is happening to the older dj's it will do a full circle with the new dj's now.

I said this early in this boring thread... None of these old school djs ever complain about using ssl or using cue buttons. We didn't use that back in the day, but I use the heck out of it. There is no way some of this stuff could be pulled off with the old technology from back in the day.

I hear you on the start from the buttom, but why would you with this technology. Again if it was available back in my day I would start right at the top too. No one cares but "the self called real djs". I'm a real dj but I don't care if the next man or woman used an ipod to dj a party as long as the do it right and in a professional way.


+100 and to add it's the same debate snow board to skier...
hologram 4:28 PM - 1 July, 2012
wait what?
DJ called you out to battle.....
and people got issue with this?
I guess it's the genre you grew up in.
I agree on itch controllers using itch.
AustinG 5:02 PM - 1 July, 2012
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DJ called you out to battle.....
and people got issue with this?
I guess it's the genre you grew up in.
I agree on itch controllers using itch.


Exactly. The NS7 to Turntablist is like a wiffle bat to major league hitter.

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Hey hold on, you were the one that said beatmatching is the only trick a guy like me has... so yeah, i'm calling you out. Your move....


You were the one to make the first callout, broheim. Based on jack shit, I might add.

Further, you've still given me no upside. I have nothing to prove and nothing to hide. I upload a goddamn playlist every time I play out. I also upload all my stupid mixes to this site. Yet, you've contributed nothing in that regard. Why should I pick up the gauntlet? NO FUCKING UPSIDE.


You dissed me and said I had no tricks other than beatmatching... The upside is that YOU GOT CALLED OUT homie, quit ducking.
phatbob 5:26 PM - 1 July, 2012
Troll topic continues to attract macho dick-swinging. Internet remains unsurprised.
kraal 6:21 PM - 1 July, 2012
austing your my boy and all .... but calm down with the internet battling that went out with mc battles in 2000 .....
revancheX 6:21 PM - 1 July, 2012
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You dissed me and said I had no tricks other than beatmatching... The upside is that YOU GOT CALLED OUT homie, quit ducking.


You dissed yourself by saying stupid crap. And I get called out by zeroes all the time. And what do I do when that happens? I laugh and call them idiots. I don't give a freaking crap about you or your opinions or your laughable battle challenges.

(There, DJSynic8, I censored myself, are u happy, bro?)
revancheX 6:27 PM - 1 July, 2012
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Troll topic continues to attract macho dick-swinging. Internet remains unsurprised.


It's sort of like the Special Olympics--even if you win...well, you know the joke.
DJ Frank Wite 6:28 PM - 1 July, 2012
+100 and to add it's the same debate snow board to skier...

@ hologram>>> Damn right! Thanks for helping further make my point.

Will the internet ever come up with more words other than "TROLL, EPIC AND FAIL"! So played out!

Btw dj's still battle online, because I listen to them everyday over at djforums in their BATTLE section.
kraal 6:31 PM - 1 July, 2012
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Btw dj's still battle online, because I listen to them everyday over at djforums in their BATTLE section.

which is different than what i am saying.... calling people out with words pointless.... you gonna call someone out post a video.
revancheX 6:34 PM - 1 July, 2012
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which is different than what i am saying.... calling people out with words pointless.... you gonna call someone out post a video.


Bingo.

Speaking of trolling, let's spill some beer for my homeboy Eduard Khil:

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Frank Wite 6:51 PM - 1 July, 2012
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which is different than what i am saying.... calling people out with words pointless.... you gonna call someone out post a video.


Yeah I hear what you're saying, but this is what you posted: calm down with the internet battling that went out with mc battles in 2000 ..... Keyword here is internet battling.

Well...
Internet + djforums.com + battle section = internet battling still in 2012.

To add to trolling, epic and fail add posting stupid @$$ youtube videos. Glad that I've been around here long enough to know not to click the watch button.
kraal 6:57 PM - 1 July, 2012
it was also a direct message to austing who i personally know :)
DJ Frank Wite 7:06 PM - 1 July, 2012
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it was also a direct message to austing who i personally know :)


Yeah but you made it on a public board. I was just saying that djs do still battle on the internet. It's really not a big deal so don't take it the wrong way. The internet is here for us all to use.

I'm guessing that next time just say this is just a comment directed to _____ fill in the blank. No one else comment please. Just a suggestion.
kraal 7:21 PM - 1 July, 2012
no dont mind your comment either that is why i explained what i meant... not taking anything the wrong way its a public forum others will comment and what you said was valid to what i said ....
DJ Frank Wite 7:28 PM - 1 July, 2012
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no dont mind your comment either that is why i explained what i meant... not taking anything the wrong way its a public forum others will comment and what you said was valid to what i said ....


Kraal you're always a stand up guy and I wish that it was more guys like you in this "itch general discussion" section.
Papa Midnight 10:15 PM - 1 July, 2012
Hey, kraal is back. Long time no see SirkitBreaker.
AustinG 12:01 AM - 2 July, 2012
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Thanks kraal, but I still want to see what he has ;) Also, no hostility on my part either fellas, it's all love.
kraal 1:23 AM - 2 July, 2012
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Hey, kraal is back. Long time no see SirkitBreaker.

oh i have been here just not much really going on in the world of itch other than the adding of video which i dont do
revancheX 3:58 AM - 2 July, 2012
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Well if THAT is what you're about, I might humor you. At least, when I get around to it. Freaking busy week, cuz I gots a 9-to-5 also and there's holidays and Olympics coming up and stuff.
B.Hollywood 4:03 AM - 2 July, 2012
Im gonna weigh in on this and start by saying how irrelevant this is, having said that, I don't use sync unless I'm using the sp6 but for those DJ's out there that are into mashing things up and live remixing i think its a god send. Having the ability to have all the aspects of a song sync'd saves time and really does make those multi layer mixes sound on point. Just my thoughts.
revancheX 4:17 AM - 2 July, 2012
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Im gonna weigh in on this and start by saying how irrelevant this is, having said that, I don't use sync unless I'm using the sp6 but for those DJ's out there that are into mashing things up and live remixing i think its a god send. Having the ability to have all the aspects of a song sync'd saves time and really does make those multi layer mixes sound on point. Just my thoughts.


+1 and, yeah, the live remixing angle is why I use sync (autotempo, technically; I find full sync rather useless except in extremely rare cases).

Also, the Numark consoles have loop shift, which is THE FREAKING BOMB when you quickly need to change the phrase alignment to adjust to a crowd read or because you screwed up the keys or something.
B.Hollywood 4:32 AM - 2 July, 2012
Iv use sync on both my DDJs1 and twitch controllers and its sick, however with twitch is the make or break from controllers without platters.

I can see why people do not agree with sync but i guess its all about progress, I find that when i see djs still using CDJs I wonder why they dont progress and at some point people would have looked at CDJs as cheating or not real DJ's just as popele look at controllers and sync as "not real DJ's". In fact when i started DJing on technics and a serato box others labeled me as a "fake dj" cause I used a laptop and this was only 5 years ago.

Now days everyones a DJing and I feel these kinds of statements are not in the best interest of the art form, we all need to understand that, as long as the DJ's we are watching and listening to, are transitioning between songs with style and they are in time/tune/key then they are "real DJ's".
revancheX 4:41 AM - 2 July, 2012
You can configure modern CDJs (900s/2000s) to do autotempo, but it's a convoluted process (which also involves also setting tempo grids via Rekordbox), and it's not information Pioneer widely disseminates because it will piss a lot of butthurt-prone DJs off. However, the main benefit of doing it is that the DJM-900 Nexus will also sync BPM of everything together if you press that little "quantize" button, which is great if you don't want to spend all day beatmatching your effects ON TOP of all your tracks.
B.Hollywood 4:55 AM - 2 July, 2012
I guess thats where the argument for CDJ's to be phased out comes into things. Everything you can do with a CDJ you can do with a controller and more. Its more portable and it takes all the work of cds out of equation. But I guess thats for another thread. Like you said revanceX its not something the producers of cdjs widely advertise where as in the case of itch its a feature that is widely accepted by users and i would dare to saythat there are more djs out there that use sync then would like to admit.
Papa Midnight 5:33 AM - 2 July, 2012
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I guess thats where the argument for CDJ's to be phased out comes into things. Everything you can do with a CDJ you can do with a controller and more. Its more portable and it takes all the work of cds out of equation. But I guess thats for another thread.

Operating in that realm, if I had things my way, I'd grab 2 V7's and call it a day.
I kind of wish it was possible to add up to 4 V7's.
revancheX 5:52 AM - 2 July, 2012
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I guess thats where the argument for CDJ's to be phased out comes into things. Everything you can do with a CDJ you can do with a controller and more. Its more portable and it takes all the work of cds out of equation. But I guess thats for another thread.

Operating in that realm, if I had things my way, I'd grab 2 V7's and call it a day.
I kind of wish it was possible to add up to 4 V7's.


I'd have to agree that V7s + a Pioneer mixer is the best of both worlds!
djdjonesdotcom 2:08 AM - 3 July, 2012
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You know it's funny that you see people getting stirred up over using the sync button, but no one evers mentions setting cue points. Dj's that spin on vinyl/1200's and use scratch live they have cue points set on the laptops.

I use the vci 300 mk2 and ns7 and couldn't live without using my programmed cue points as well as auto loop. I never hear people say you shouldn't use auto loop or set cue points. It's an oxymoron.

I'm just saying.


Good point
d:raf 3:18 AM - 3 July, 2012
Circa 2006:

serato.com
Dave The One 2:04 PM - 3 July, 2012
Good point!
hologram 2:18 PM - 3 July, 2012
Turn Table Battles went out when?
MC battles went out when?

Someone better tell the next few generations because the kids and some adult still have MC battles at the park, mall, school ground, parties,etc.
Sessions still happens too and there is always a battle or two at every one.

Doesn't matter if it's over Video Conferencing or in the same room. A battle is a battle.
kraal 4:08 AM - 4 July, 2012
no one said the went out..... calling people out on the internet went out with the ok player forums
djallstyle 8:39 AM - 4 July, 2012
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You know it's funny that you see people getting stirred up over using the sync button, but no one evers mentions setting cue points. Dj's that spin on vinyl/1200's and use scratch live they have cue points set on the laptops.

I use the vci 300 mk2 and ns7 and couldn't live without using my programmed cue points as well as auto loop. I never hear people say you shouldn't use auto loop or set cue points. It's an oxymoron.

I'm just saying.


Good point


TRUE!!!... 2 Chains Voice!
swaggadagga 7:41 PM - 24 September, 2012
Sync is a spit in the face to dj's who spend years perfecting their art, And Numark basically did it to attract non dj costumers. Numark dont make dj equipment, they make toys for wanna be dj's. And fuck you if you say it all about the music. Thats when you make yourself look like a noob, cause its the best excuse you can come up with for you laziness. It's not just about the music, its the art form, and you should master it. True story... I went to this restaurant for a drink, and I heard this guy spinning good hip hop. I went up to him and said I need a hip hop dj to fill in for the 3rd room at this club I work. I took his number and called him in for a sunday show. He was very adamant about being able to bring his ns7. I told him there is no space for it, and there is pioneer 1000, and 800 mixer set up for use. (which I think every dj has used at some point) He came set up, and asked me "where is the sync button" I was like whats that? He blew it off and started to play music. After 20 min of music I was like what the fuck!!! noting mixed, noting blend. I was disappointed. I gave him $50 for his time, and sent him home early. Waste of my time! and thats why I would never hire a "sync user dj" now that I know what it is.
swaggadagga 7:45 PM - 24 September, 2012
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n fact when i started DJing on technics and a serato box others labeled me as a "fake dj"


That cause people did not understand how serato works at the time. You cant compare that to sync.
revancheX 7:51 PM - 24 September, 2012
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That cause people did not understand how serato works at the time. You cant compare that to sync.


Sure you can. Waveform mixing makes the "skill" in beatmatching nearly irrelevant. The transient and tempo summaries in Serato give you the same information a sync feature implements. Essentially, when you use it, you become a human sync button.

Oh, sure, you have to learn how to use those display. That takes...what...an hour...if you're a moron....?
swaggadagga 7:54 PM - 24 September, 2012
wave form mixing? lol anyone on here does that? You must be a rel, int user on serato.
revancheX 7:56 PM - 24 September, 2012
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wave form mixing? lol anyone on here does that? You must be a rel, int user on serato.


Nearly everyone I've seen ACTUALLY USE Serato uses the waves for SOMETHING, even if they don't have the stones to admit it on the forums or slimily deride those who do.
revancheX 7:57 PM - 24 September, 2012
(And, furthermore, if few people used these features, they wouldn't be in Scratch Live to begin with, given Serato's design philsophy.

No, nearly everyone is waveriding, they're just too afraid to admit it. Because of people like "swaggadagga". Who probably also is waveriding but is too afraid to admit it.)
swaggadagga 7:59 PM - 24 September, 2012
Good for them. I guess when I stared using serato I already knew how to mix/ beatmatch like a pro, cause I dj for many years before serato came out. more power to those who use "waveform"
swaggadagga 8:07 PM - 24 September, 2012
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(And, furthermore, if few people used these features, they wouldn't be in Scratch Live to begin with, given Serato's design philsophy.

No, nearly everyone is waveriding, they're just too afraid to admit it. Because of people like "swaggadagga". Who probably also is waveriding but is too afraid to admit it.)


You sound Like a noob trying to argue with a pro. I bet you started on serato, but wont admit it. Fact is If you Dj before serato came out, and already know how to beat match you would never need to look at waveform to beatmatch. And by you saying that most dj's use it for that shows your experience. Face it You started on serato, and you learnt to beatmach looking at waveform, and since thats all you know you assume others do it as well.
d:raf 8:12 PM - 24 September, 2012
Sound Of Fujun 8:24 PM - 24 September, 2012
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(And, furthermore, if few people used these features, they wouldn't be in Scratch Live to begin with, given Serato's design philsophy.

No, nearly everyone is waveriding, they're just too afraid to admit it. Because of people like "swaggadagga". Who probably also is waveriding but is too afraid to admit it.)


Wtf?? I dont use wave at all. Stop comparing how you learnt to dj with dj's who have been doing this for years.... Before serato!
revancheX 9:21 PM - 24 September, 2012
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You sound Like a noob trying to argue with a pro.


I started on vinyl approximately 20 years ago, probably before you learned how to talk.
djallstyle 10:50 PM - 24 September, 2012
Someone sounds crazy!! Creativity is the most important aspect of the DJ. I personally believe, a DJ should know how to use all forms. (vinyl, cdj's, controllers etc).... I've heard Djs rock a crowd because they or someone Mc'd & knew how to use vocals & effects to transition their songs, (completely different bpms too). Face it & adjust to the times. Mp3's & computers have changed the game forever. Just like the iphone has changed the way we communicate. Its called shut the Eff Up adjust & make a better plan. To all the so called old school Dj's, please go back to real vynil, if you want to bash another dj for how they're using the technologies available. The 1st Dj I see bring 5,6 crates of records like they used to, instead of 30-50k or more of mp3's & still rock the club, will get my full respect. Until then sync or not, the creativity will speak the most for any DJ. Sync won't help keep a crowd pumped more than creativity will. BTW Go buy & use an old school brick phone too!! (HATERS)
DJ Steadson 11:44 PM - 24 September, 2012
I second that Bro, I could not have said it better. I am also an old school DJ who came up on turntables. But i also know that I have to move with the times the equipment is forever changing
it's nothing you could do about it Look It's very simple if you want to stay old school because sync button and waveform is for the sync DJ then go back to your old school equipment and stay there for the rest of your DJ life. For me i am moving with the time sync or waveform.
DJ Boss Sounds 1:38 AM - 25 September, 2012
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Sync is a spit in the face to dj's who spend years perfecting their art, And Numark basically did it to attract non dj costumers. Numark dont make dj equipment, they make toys for wanna be dj's. And fuck you if you say it all about the music. Thats when you make yourself look like a noob, cause its the best excuse you can come up with for you laziness. It's not just about the music, its the art form, and you should master it. True story... I went to this restaurant for a drink, and I heard this guy spinning good hip hop. I went up to him and said I need a hip hop dj to fill in for the 3rd room at this club I work. I took his number and called him in for a sunday show. He was very adamant about being able to bring his ns7. I told him there is no space for it, and there is pioneer 1000, and 800 mixer set up for use. (which I think every dj has used at some point) He came set up, and asked me "where is the sync button" I was like whats that? He blew it off and started to play music. After 20 min of music I was like what the fuck!!! noting mixed, noting blend. I was disappointed. I gave him $50 for his time, and sent him home early. Waste of my time! and thats why I would never hire a "sync user dj" now that I know what it is.






+100000000000000
swaggadagga 8:33 AM - 25 September, 2012
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To all the so called old school Dj's, please go back to real vynil, if you want to bash another dj for how they're using the technologies available


I think your missing the point here. Its not about bashing technology I think serato is one of the best things to ever come around. Its about companies making it easy for anyone to become a dj without any sacrifice, or practice. Sync is a great invention, but using it as a upcoming dj will take you no where. As I said about I hired a guy who played well using sync, but could not cut it when put in a situation where sync was not available. I WILL NEVER HIRE A SYNC DJ AGAIN
phatbob 8:40 AM - 25 September, 2012
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To all the so called old school Dj's, please go back to real vynil, if you want to bash another dj for how they're using the technologies available


I think your missing the point here. Its not about bashing technology I think serato is one of the best things to ever come around. Its about companies making it easy for anyone to become a dj without any sacrifice, or practice. Sync is a great invention, but using it as a upcoming dj will take you no where. As I said about I hired a guy who played well using sync, but could not cut it when put in a situation where sync was not available. I WILL NEVER HIRE A SYNC DJ AGAIN


Have you seriously never heard a DJ trainwreck who WASN'T using sync?

I bet you have. So perhaps you should never hire a DJ again, full stop, if that's the way you are looking at it.

A-Trak and Craze both use sync. If they rocked up and asked you to play, are you going to say no because they use sync?

Skills = skills, regardless of the technology being used.
swaggadagga 9:31 AM - 25 September, 2012
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Have you seriously never heard a DJ trainwreck who WASN'T using sync?

I bet you have. So perhaps you should never hire a DJ again, full stop, if that's the way you are looking at it.


thats dumb I have crashed many times, and heard many great djs crash as well. Its different when a dj crashes song after song because he does not have the sync to help him mix.. Again missing the point im trying to make. THE POINT IS ( WE HAVE A LOT OF NEW PEOPLE "NOOBS"WHO HAVE NEVER LEARNT TO DJ ON TURN TABLES/ CJDS WHO GO OUT AND BUY THESE NS7'S AND USE SYNC, NOT ACTUALLY LEARNING TRUE BASIC'S OF BEING A DJ "BEATMATCHING". ITS SUPPORTING A BAD HABBIT! THESE SAME GUYS GO OUT TO CLUBS AND TAKE AWAY JOBS FROM REAL WORKING HARD DJS, CAUSE THEY WOULD TAKE $100 AND DRINK TAB AND BE HAPPY! I HAVE NO ISSUE WITH DJS WHO USES SYNC, BUT STILL KNOW HOW TO BEATMATCH. ITS A GREAT TOOL! I should make myself clear its not that I wont hire a dj who uses sync. I will ask him can you dj the same without using sync. If he says no then I will not hire him for my club.
Pete Input 11:08 AM - 25 September, 2012
I'm doing this stuff almost 30 years and i'm using sync now. Mainly beause the VCI-380 pitch value is moving all the time by itself. It's not moving a lot, but it's very annoying and hard to keep the beat (perfectly) together with long mixes. Yes, i could catch up the beat with small movements of jogwheels, but that is not my workflow anymore. I prefer perfect beatmatch with FX, sampler, acappellas, loops and other cool stuff. So, now i can do a lot more, without worrying the beatmatch.
Pete Input 12:42 PM - 25 September, 2012
And one more thing:
Kids today are using controllers + sync. They don't give a shit about manual mixing.
When they using sync, they are good with all the bells, whistles and gizmos and they make me look "stupid" and "unprofessional", if i'm only worried how the things should be doing manually.
That's why, there is no way in hell, that i'm gonna let them pass over me.
dj res-q 1:52 PM - 25 September, 2012
takes more than a sync button to keep people dancing and the crowd hype.If you play the right music at the right time nobody cares about sync,mixing,scratching or anything else.Its all about what
track and when to play it
DJ Frank Wite 2:03 PM - 25 September, 2012
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Someone sounds crazy!! Creativity is the most important aspect of the DJ. I personally believe, a DJ should know how to use all forms. (vinyl, cdj's, controllers etc).... I've heard Djs rock a crowd because they or someone Mc'd & knew how to use vocals & effects to transition their songs, (completely different bpms too). Face it & adjust to the times. Mp3's & computers have changed the game forever. Just like the iphone has changed the way we communicate. Its called shut the Eff Up adjust & make a better plan. To all the so called old school Dj's, please go back to real vynil, if you want to bash another dj for how they're using the technologies available. The 1st Dj I see bring 5,6 crates of records like they used to, instead of 30-50k or more of mp3's & still rock the club, will get my full respect. Until then sync or not, the creativity will speak the most for any DJ. Sync won't help keep a crowd pumped more than creativity will. BTW Go buy & use an old school brick phone too!! (HATERS)


+1000.....

I don't understand why there are so many ignorant people that can't understand that the world is still turning no matter what they think. Technology is a great thing and I say this again if sync would have been available back in the day we wouldn't be still beating this dead horse. I'm an "old school dj" and I sold my old tt's and skipped the cdj's and never looked back. If it wasn't for the ns7 and vci 300 mk2 I wouldn't have gotten back in the game. Numark and vestax made my life so much easier and I can beatmatch in my sleep, but would I when there's a button there that I paid for to use. I'm using it and no one can stop me. NO ONE!

If I walked in a spot and all they had to offer was cdj's you wouldn't have to worry about hiring me because I would walk right back out the door. And if those tt's didn't have scratch live installed these boots would be made to walk right on out the door. I'm going forward and not looking back. That's like trying to rock a crowd these days with reel to reel.

Geez...
DJ Frank Wite 2:04 PM - 25 September, 2012
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takes more than a sync button to keep people dancing and the crowd hype.If you play the right music at the right time nobody cares about sync,mixing,scratching or anything else.Its all about what
track and when to play it


this too...
Papa Midnight 2:35 PM - 25 September, 2012
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takes more than a sync button to keep people dancing and the crowd hype.If you play the right music at the right time nobody cares about sync,mixing,scratching or anything else.Its all about what
track and when to play it


this too...


I'll leave it at this: The crowd don't care if you're using Sync.

Now play the Wobble.
phatbob 4:54 PM - 25 September, 2012
So as you feel so strongly about that you'll be selling your NS7 and playing nothing but vinyl then.

What a load of nonsense.
Papa Midnight 4:57 PM - 25 September, 2012
You did not get my point. I don't use Sync. I don't need it. I can use it, and it can make life easier in some circumstances, but I don't have a need for it.

Likewise, there are some circumstances where Sync can frak an entire set. In example, say you have transition tracks like me? After scanning a song, Serato might pull up the BPM as being 88 BPM (which would be accurate), but the point I'm starting the song off at is 130 BPM. I press sync on that thing and BAM! Instant Trainwreck. That's just one instance. That's why I'm not as worried as you are about this. I know it has plenty of room for error.

Real world example, I'd love to see some inexperienced DJ get up in front of a crowd, have "Black Eyed Peas - Imma Be" on, it hit that 92-122BPM transition (give or take), and they try to sync a 90-95 BPM track to that and sit there stumped wondering why it won't blend, while they're trainwrecking live in front of the crowd. I've seen it happen. It's not pretty.

If you think, with all the possibilities out there for some freejay or cheapo deejay to appear, that the damn Sync (which doesn't even mix for you) is going to be that which causes the levee to break, I urge you to think a little bit more realistically.

There are PLENTY of avenues aside from Sync that setup for a broken ecosystem. Hell, anyone these days can buy a $50 midi controller off a store shelf, a mini-plug to RCA cable, and download a cracked copy of Virtual DJ Pro or Traktor Pro (I've seen this countless of times).

For those with more money, they can grab some cheap tables and a mixer for Maybe $200 tops, a used SL-1 for $200, and some cheap speakers + amp. Instant DJ.
d:raf 5:20 PM - 25 September, 2012
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So as you feel so strongly about that you'll be selling your NS7 and playing nothing but vinyl then.

What a load of nonsense.


You misunderstand the rules of the Church.

If you learned on vinyl, it's okay to "cheat" by using other forms of technology as it's been "earned" (as outlined by DJ Premier in '05: serato.com).

However, if you've just started then it's your obligation to go back and force yourself to learn vinyl (and under some formerly chastised but now widely accepted schisms, CDJs) whether you plan to use them or not; trainwrecking on vinyl is considered infinitely preferable to having a flawless set using sync (note; reel-to-reel/cassette and other tape-based platforms are not required learning as they constitute ancient heresy). This is a measure instituted by the elders to ensure that the status quo... err... "artform" remains intact.

Only after making these sacrifices can one be inducted into the Secret Order of the DJ and reap the benefits therein (which basically amounts to not being called names on intarweb forums and stuff).
phatbob 5:46 PM - 25 September, 2012
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So as you feel so strongly about that you'll be selling your NS7 and playing nothing but vinyl then.

What a load of nonsense.


You misunderstand the rules of the Church.

If you learned on vinyl, it's okay to "cheat" by using other forms of technology as it's been "earned" (as outlined by DJ Premier in '05: serato.com).

However, if you've just started then it's your obligation to go back and force yourself to learn vinyl (and under some formerly chastised but now widely accepted schisms, CDJs) whether you plan to use them or not; trainwrecking on vinyl is considered infinitely preferable to having a flawless set using sync (note; reel-to-reel/cassette and other tape-based platforms are not required learning as they constitute ancient heresy). This is a measure instituted by the elders to ensure that the status quo... err... "artform" remains intact.

Only after making these sacrifices can one be inducted into the Secret Order of the DJ and reap the benefits therein (which basically amounts to not being called names on intarweb forums and stuff).


Amen brother!

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There are PLENTY of avenues aside from Sync that setup for a broken ecosystem. Hell, anyone these days can buy a $50 midi controller off a store shelf, a mini-plug to RCA cable, and download a cracked copy of Virtual DJ Pro or Traktor Pro (I've seen this countless of times).


Who needs a midi controller? Plenty of trackpad-rockers in my area.
Maskrider 6:43 PM - 25 September, 2012
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I'm doing this stuff almost 30 years and i'm using sync now. Mainly beause the VCI-380 pitch value is moving all the time by itself. It's not moving a lot, but it's very annoying and hard to keep the beat (perfectly) together with long mixes. Yes, i could catch up the beat with small movements of jogwheels, but that is not my workflow anymore. I prefer perfect beatmatch with FX, sampler, acappellas, loops and other cool stuff. So, now i can do a lot more, without worrying the beatmatch.


I'm with this guy they really need to tighten up the pitch resolution on ITCH.
Papa Midnight 6:48 PM - 25 September, 2012
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I'm doing this stuff almost 30 years and i'm using sync now. Mainly beause the VCI-380 pitch value is moving all the time by itself. It's not moving a lot, but it's very annoying and hard to keep the beat (perfectly) together with long mixes. Yes, i could catch up the beat with small movements of jogwheels, but that is not my workflow anymore. I prefer perfect beatmatch with FX, sampler, acappellas, loops and other cool stuff. So, now i can do a lot more, without worrying the beatmatch.


I'm with this guy they really need to tighten up the pitch resolution on ITCH.


It's the device. Seriously. Try the V7 and the NS7 (and NSFX). The Pitch Resolution is down to 0.01% @ 50%.

That fact disappoints me too. How does Numark produce two (plus one) devices with a pitch resolution so excellent, then produce the horrendous pitch resolution on the NS6?
swaggadagga 7:54 PM - 25 September, 2012
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If I walked in a spot and all they had to offer was cdj's you wouldn't have to worry about hiring me because I would walk right back out the door



What??? LOL
swaggadagga 8:00 PM - 25 September, 2012
Just because you owned a turntable/cdj dont make you a old school dj. I know many guys who been doing this for 20 + year and still cant mix for shit. Fuck that dude who said numark, and vestex
helped him "get back into the game" REAL DJ'S NEVER LEAVE THE GAME! This aint a "game" or job! As long you have crowd following you your not going no where till death do us part!
Papa Midnight 12:06 AM - 26 September, 2012
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Just because you owned a turntable/cdj dont make you a old school dj. I know many guys who been doing this for 20 + year and still cant mix for shit.

Or level...

People who run levels into the reds (or whites), and have the EQs for mids and highs turned up to ludicrous levels on every song just to play. To top it off, they leave everyone with tinnitus within 10-20 minutes.
d:raf 12:39 AM - 26 September, 2012
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Or level...

People who run levels into the reds (or whites), and have the EQs for mids and highs turned up to ludicrous levels on every song just to play. To top it off, they leave everyone with tinnitus within 10-20 minutes.


Watchwww.youtube.com

The guy playing in that video is a semi-local dnb dj that's been spinning for well over a decade.

The DNB scene was so bad with that down here in the late 90's/early 00's that some DJs considered making the sound system shut down with high SPLs a sign of skill ("this sound system can't handle my heavy beats... woooo!"). Many of them spent their spare time hating on CDJ's instead of learning how to gain-stage properly. lol
phatbob 9:58 AM - 26 September, 2012
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Check yourself before you wreck yourself I use the NS7 because of portability for mobile gigs I dont use the sync button cause I don't need it don't hate just because you cant mix haha


Wasn't even suggesting that you use sync mate (not that it would bother me). You said:

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Numark and the other companies don't give a shit
all they care about is expanding there business to every man and his dog (all about money)

so I say death to the sync button cause its messing with the DJ eco system


So Numark don't give a shit, but apparently you don't either because you still went out and threw money at them regardless.

All you care about is expanding your business to every mobile gig and his dog (all about money). ;-)
DJ Boss Sounds 8:21 PM - 26 September, 2012
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So as you feel so strongly about that you'll be selling your NS7 and playing nothing but vinyl then.

What a load of nonsense.


You misunderstand the rules of the Church.

If you learned on vinyl, it's okay to "cheat" by using other forms of technology as it's been "earned" (as outlined by DJ Premier in '05: serato.com).

However, if you've just started then it's your obligation to go back and force yourself to learn vinyl (and under some formerly chastised but now widely accepted schisms, CDJs) whether you plan to use them or not; trainwrecking on vinyl is considered infinitely preferable to having a flawless set using sync (note; reel-to-reel/cassette and other tape-based platforms are not required learning as they constitute ancient heresy). This is a measure instituted by the elders to ensure that the status quo... err... "artform" remains intact.

Only after making these sacrifices can one be inducted into the Secret Order of the DJ and reap the benefits therein (which basically amounts to not being called names on intarweb forums and stuff).



+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Give this man a bottle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
djallstyle 12:48 AM - 27 September, 2012
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So as you feel so strongly about that you'll be selling your NS7 and playing nothing but vinyl then.

What a load of nonsense.


You misunderstand the rules of the Church.

If you learned on vinyl, it's okay to "cheat" by using other forms of technology as it's been "earned" (as outlined by DJ Premier in '05: serato.com).

However, if you've just started then it's your obligation to go back and force yourself to learn vinyl (and under some formerly chastised but now widely accepted schisms, CDJs) whether you plan to use them or not; trainwrecking on vinyl is considered infinitely preferable to having a flawless set using sync (note; reel-to-reel/cassette and other tape-based platforms are not required learning as they constitute ancient heresy). This is a measure instituted by the elders to ensure that the status quo... err... "artform" remains intact.

Only after making these sacrifices can one be inducted into the Secret Order of the DJ and reap the benefits therein (which basically amounts to not being called names on intarweb forums and stuff).



+10000000000000000000000000000000000000000

Give this man a bottle!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I can't believe all of this foolishness!!

If you learned how to dj w/a controller, so what! Eff what Premier is talking about too (1 of my favs). Technology is here to stay. When he was using a mpc a current technology(@ that time) to make beats for Gangstarr, I bet a drummer & a full band was hating some where too. It's essential to stay as creative as possible & learn how to use everything available. I wouldn't dare tell a kid coming up, he has to buy some turntables(which they don't make anymore) to be a real Dj. If anything I would tell him use sync & learn how to play w/out it as well. CREATIVITY is what make most Djs dope, respected & in high demand. When you use sync u can pull off many other mind blowing & crowd pleasing effects & tricks. When you don't use sync a lot of us tend to sound similar. However, if your @ a spot & there is no room for or can't use your set up, that shouldn't be a reason not to make money. I suggest learning whatever you can get your hands on. I will never attempt to discourage an up/coming Dj not to go after it, because of throwback technology. Oh yeah, I hope you haters are typing your post w/a Timeport pager too!!! Everything can evolve, but the Dj's??? GTFOH!!
blackavenger 1:18 AM - 27 September, 2012
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I'm with this guy they really need to tighten up the pitch resolution on ITCH.


It's the device. Seriously. Try the V7 and the NS7 (and NSFX). The Pitch Resolution is down to 0.01% @ 50%.

That fact disappoints me too. How does Numark produce two (plus one) devices with a pitch resolution so excellent, then produce the horrendous pitch resolution on the NS6?

It's because of the NS6's shitty Pitch Resolution that I find myself using SYNC simply out of frustration!!
phatbob 6:40 AM - 27 September, 2012
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I can't believe all of this foolishness!!

If you learned how to dj w/a controller, so what! Eff what Premier is talking about too (1 of my favs). Technology is here to stay. When he was using a mpc a current technology(@ that time) to make beats for Gangstarr, I bet a drummer & a full band was hating some where too. It's essential to stay as creative as possible & learn how to use everything available. I wouldn't dare tell a kid coming up, he has to buy some turntables(which they don't make anymore) to be a real Dj. If anything I would tell him use sync & learn how to play w/out it as well. CREATIVITY is what make most Djs dope, respected & in high demand. When you use sync u can pull off many other mind blowing & crowd pleasing effects & tricks. When you don't use sync a lot of us tend to sound similar. However, if your @ a spot & there is no room for or can't use your set up, that shouldn't be a reason not to make money. I suggest learning whatever you can get your hands on. I will never attempt to discourage an up/coming Dj not to go after it, because of throwback technology. Oh yeah, I hope you haters are typing your post w/a Timeport pager too!!! Everything can evolve, but the Dj's??? GTFOH!!


Errrr, d:raf was kidding...
d:raf 7:57 AM - 27 September, 2012
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Errrr, d:raf was kidding...


<sigh>... sarcasm is lost on this crowd. Too much beat-matchturbation going on.
phatbob 10:58 AM - 27 September, 2012
My point is, that if you feel like Numark are messing with the DJ eco system by selling products with sync, then perhaps you should not support them by buying those products.

If I don't agree with what a company does, I don't buy their stuff. It's not difficult.
phatbob 11:01 AM - 27 September, 2012
Eh?

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But Numark and the other companies don't give a shit
all they care about is expanding there business to every man and his dog (all about money)

so I say death to the sync button cause its messing with the DJ eco system
Papa Midnight 12:12 PM - 27 September, 2012
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Eh?

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But Numark and the other companies don't give a shit
all they care about is expanding there business to every man and his dog (all about money)

so I say death to the sync button cause its messing with the DJ eco system


were obviously not on the same page here or the same book forget about it mate.

Au contraire... you CLEARLY said Numark is messing with the ecosystem because they and other manufacturers place the sync button on their devices and support it's usage. Yet, there you are with a Numark NS7 yourself. That sounds a lot like double-speak.

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If I don't agree with what a company does, I don't buy their stuff. It's not difficult.

That's pretty much it right there.

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hey open your ears this is not about numark its about the sync function ok

Huh?

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But Numark and the other companies don't give a shit
all they care about is expanding there business to every man and his dog (all about money)

so I say death to the sync button cause its messing with the DJ eco system

But...

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...forget about it mate.

Okay....

Man, this is worse than those guys in the DJ Discussion forum who go balls to the wall in their loathing of controllers... Then get on a V7 and an NS7 for 5 minutes and suddenly, "Ok this controller's not bad, but other controllers suck. Nothing but button pushers".

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haha say all you sync Dj's wanna say still at the end of the day I can beatmix and you cant lmfao...

I don't use sync (as I don't need it for what I generally do), but if you're saying we can't mix, then I personally wouldn't mind a crane stand of my own (serato.com)...
BJDeejay 1:57 PM - 27 September, 2012
I only use the sync button creating 'bridges' between .. by example.. 105 to 130 bpms... ^^ ! peace
djjungle 10:05 AM - 28 September, 2012
Holy crap this discussion has gone on for a long time. Just need to know...have we decided on what makes a dj a dj?
AustinG 1:03 PM - 28 September, 2012
Jeez my ears are still ringing from last night, qsc monitors are nasty.... But F a sync! Scratch in a beat and ride the pitch, its the only way. Sync takes the fun out of djing. - Former Noob.
DJ Boss Sounds 4:00 PM - 28 September, 2012
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Holy crap this discussion has gone on for a long time. Just need to know...have we decided on what makes a dj a dj?



What makes a DJ a REAL DJ is this:

1. Knowing how to create an energetic atmosphere
2. Knowing the basics, e.g., blending by ear, cutting, etc...
3. Knowing how to READ the crowd
4. Knowing that less is more
5. Knowing how to cut with the left hand or right hand with the mixer in the middle.
6. Etc...

Care to add?
Papa Midnight 10:44 PM - 28 September, 2012
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Holy crap this discussion has gone on for a long time. Just need to know...have we decided on what makes a dj a dj?



What makes a DJ a REAL DJ is this:

1. Knowing how to create an energetic atmosphere
2. Knowing the basics, e.g., blending by ear, cutting, etc...
3. Knowing how to READ the crowd
4. Knowing that less is more
5. Knowing how to cut with the left hand or right hand with the mixer in the middle.
6. Etc...

Care to add?


1. Do tell on how to create one.
2. Not all DJ's scratch. Explain how this makes you a real dJ.
3. What's the crowd writing?
4. What?
5. So... if you can't scratch on your left or your right, you're not a real DJ. Ok. I guess DJs that do the Mixer to the Left with Two Tables to the right (and vice versa) aren't real DJs either.
6. No, don't stop now. Keep going. You've already got the shovel. I see no reason for you to stop digging.
d:raf 12:27 AM - 29 September, 2012
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What makes a DJ a REAL DJ is this:

1. Knowing how to create an energetic atmosphere
2. Knowing the basics, e.g., blending by ear, cutting, etc...
3. Knowing how to READ the crowd
4. Knowing that less is more
5. Knowing how to cut with the left hand or right hand with the mixer in the middle.
6. Etc...

Care to add?


You forgot

7: standing up ( serato.com )
djkrazyleo 12:47 PM - 29 September, 2012
lol
Lightning 3:52 PM - 29 September, 2012
Sorry I'll sum this up real easy..... Anyone who thinks beat matching is what all that is needed to DJ, isn't a REAL DJ!! Seriously, Sync is just another tool like an EFX, it can be abused or it can be used to your advantage if you learn how to use it.

Once I started using it I started pushing myself to mix differently to take advantage of the time it saved and/or if I have 3+ tracks going. If you don't look at it as "what can I do with Sync that I couldn't do before with traditional pitch fader?" Then you might need to take a hard look at your creativity skills and swallow some pride.

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Dj Massive Force 6:36 PM - 29 September, 2012
all djs that uses only 1200's and vinyl can claim they don't use the sync feature. but the rest of you including myself has use the sync feature at one point or another. no one can prove that you have used it, but you did! If you are using any software base system right now in this time and era... you are using it. this forum got you djs defending your reps and ego's. yo! just don't say shi# why lie? here's a can of worm to open right now. what about djs who use all vinyl to make mix tape's and then run thru pro tools to time shift and fix the whole mix to make it perfect!

To be a great dj one must evolve,if you don't evolve then your just stuck in the past!!
the younger djs don't know a lot about the old ways. can't blame them for not being born during them days of carrying crates. damn they only carry a laptop and hard drive. wish i was that fortunate back in them days.
DJ Kelly Web - The Mad Scientist 7:13 PM - 29 September, 2012
I am too busy making money DJing to worry about who uses what. I think that anyone who goes to an event where another DJ is getting paid money to be there should not worry about what that DJ is doing. If you like SYNC use it. If you don't like it, DON'T USE it. It is a simple formula
1. Learn your craft.
2. Play your music.
3. Move the crowd.
4. Make your money.
5. Repeat!
Papa Midnight 8:28 PM - 29 September, 2012
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haha nobody wanted to elaborate on this comment because its 100% true and embarrassing for you Sync DJ's


Oh....?

serato.com

Really...?

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I can beatmix and blend and you cant lmfao...


You didn't answer me before...

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haha say all you sync Dj's wanna say still at the end of the day I can beatmix and you cant lmfao...

I don't use sync (as I don't need it for what I generally do), but if you're saying we can't mix, then I personally wouldn't mind a crane stand of my own (serato.com)...


...so I'm going to say it plain and simple: Is that a challenge? If so, let's get Crane in here. I could use a stand.
DJ Steadson 1:55 AM - 30 September, 2012
There is coming a day when all the tool that a DJ uses to mix and play music with is going to have that sync feature. when that day comes and all that old school equipment starts to fade out I would really like to see what you are going to buy to mix and play music with. It better not be the equipment that the sync DJ uses. because when that day comes i am going to call you a sync DJ also weather you use sync or not. Because at that point we are not going to know if you use the sync feature or not on that equipment to assist you in mixing your music. I would really like to see the people who hire you to play, they must be really out of touch with the times just to see you all night long trying to keep to song in sync the old school way just to say or prove that you are the DJ who don't use sync and trust me that's all you are going to do if you don't know how to scratch. Oh and please don't tell me that you are you using Serato Scratch Live because then you are using waveform to mix with.
Papa Midnight 4:11 AM - 30 September, 2012
DjSyndic8, you amuse me.

You lay claims; yet when your claims are challenged with facts, you go retreat to bigoted statements and are unable to see past your own archaic viewpoints.

You justify your ownership of a product that you frequently bash (and target the manufacturer of) because of it's inclusion of a Sync button that you claim to hate, loathe, and refuse to use. I don't know, if I hated a company THAT much, I would never even buy their products.

Then there is the dodge, but no animosity here over that one. As I said, I am quite amused.
d:raf 5:00 PM - 30 September, 2012
Lightning 5:03 PM - 30 September, 2012
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Sync DJ is as bad as a DJ playing a mixcd and standing there pretending like they are DJing


Really, I'm seriously at a loss to what you are trying to prove here other than look like an @$$? You made your point, thanks for sharing.... now go way or I shall taunt you a second time.

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Lightning 5:17 PM - 30 September, 2012
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Sync DJ is as bad as a DJ playing a mixcd and standing there pretending like they are DJing
Really, I'm seriously at a loss to what you are trying to prove here other than look like an @$$? You made your point, thanks for sharing.... now go way or I shall taunt you a second time.A


here's is a classic case of "You Cant Handle the Truth So you use anger to respond"


Not sure how you misconstrued that comment as "anger"?? It was just some constructive criticism on your behavior followed by a touch of humor. I now see this as pointless as arguing with a drunk, and with that I digress and will no longer feed the trolls.

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Papa Midnight 5:29 PM - 30 September, 2012
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"Sync DJ is as bad as a DJ playing a mixcd and standing there pretending like they are DJing"
In new Zealand we call these guys "Eat Ass DJ's"

Trying to prove a point here and the Only people here that are offended are the Sync DJs LMAO

I'm not sure what you're trying to prove.

Is it that you have selective vision?
That you're a troll?
Or that you can't forward when a challenge is issued and instead will just continue to talk?

So far, the only thing I've seen proven is that you're a Keyboard Warrior with a slight hint of e-thug and nothing to back it up with.
Papa Midnight 5:30 PM - 30 September, 2012
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Or that you can't forward when a challenge is issued and instead will just continue to talk?

You can't come forward*
blackavenger 5:41 PM - 30 September, 2012
Lightning 6:12 PM - 30 September, 2012
I'll sum this up in an analogy that should put this all into perspective. I've been DJ'ing for over 20 years now and I have worked in every form of the business possible. I can honestly say I can DJ on any equipment and/or software comfortably. Doesn't matter if its a TT, DVS, CDJ, Controller, Just a Laptop top, or running off of a 32 chan mixing board. I might even be able to do reel to reels but never tried that.

Now when it comes to Sync I look like it as an automatic transmission in a car. I learned how to drive with a manual transmission first. Now I don't think there is any requirement anywhere in the world to know how to use and manual transmission to drive (unless you want to drive a semi or a race car).

There are people that only know how how to drive with an automatic transmission and they can drive just as good as the person with a manual transmission. Then we all know there are tons of people out in the world that can't drive a car safely regardless of what transmission they have either. So sync is pretty much the invention of the automatic transmission now days. The definition of what a DJ is or was is getting very blurred now but the point remains....

Does the crowd care how the music is played as long as they are enjoying it? No, I think not! They are too busy dancing or hitting on someone. Your job, as a DJ, is to provide entertainment to an audience. If you think this is the other way around you need to get your ego surgically removed from your arse!!!

I can guarantee that I can walk into any bar, look at the crowd and rock the place, and never mix one track. Does this make me any less of a DJ? Nope... cause baby boomers don't like dubstep or 110BPM stuff. Again, the audience isn't there for me, I am there for them.

#1 Know your audience
#2 Know how to work an audience
#3 Have the skills and music to make 1 & 2 happen

/end rant
Papa Midnight 8:19 PM - 30 September, 2012
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[...] serato.com [...]

whatever Syndic8 put here was so unintelligible with such horrendous grammar that I stopped trying to read it. I'm guessing it's some rehash of his former triple post he did above.

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Doesn't matter. Still doesn't back up his own claims so that point is moot.
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Now I don't think there is any requirement anywhere in the world to know how to use and manual transmission to drive (unless you want to drive a semi or a race car).

Not true. While such is the case in the USA, there are numerous countries where it is a requirement to know how to operate a manual transmission.

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There are people that only know how how to drive with an automatic transmission and they can drive just as good as the person with a manual transmission. Then we all know there are tons of people out in the world that can't drive a car safely regardless of what transmission they have either. So sync is pretty much the invention of the automatic transmission now days. The definition of what a DJ is or was is getting very blurred now but the point remains....


True. Oh so very true.

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Does the crowd care how the music is played as long as they are enjoying it? No, I think not! They are too busy dancing or hitting on someone. Your job, as a DJ, is to provide entertainment to an audience. If you think this is the other way around you need to get your ego surgically removed from your arse!!!


Sounds about right to me.
djjungle 10:45 PM - 30 September, 2012
First to all those that said that the turntable is dead and long outdated.... they are still making turntables, they are just considered high end audio prodocts... and on that note, vynil record sales have also gone up 1000% ... and yes i know there is no such thing as 1000% but thats how big the jump in sales has been. Why?... well if i have tell you, then your not a real dj... lol second to all those "sync dj's" out there, there is definitely something that goes unlearned by not trying the old school method, if not, then there would'nt be so many programs like serato, tractor, and hundreds of other products that try to simulate two turntables and a mixer, which brings us to the controllers and the bastard child "the sync" button' which was only designed to cover up the programmers inability to simulate a perfectly good technic turntable and to boost sales by making mixing songs simple. Which reminds me of an old saying, " Everyone can learn to be a bartender, but not everyone can be a bartender." Which brings me to the one thing i hate most and that is that wanabee dj who "syncs" and only plays what is on the radio, or whats considered popular by the masses... masses which in-turn only follow the trends that are placed infront of them, and unfortunately its the tv and radio who dictate that popularity, well them and their sponsors. So many new underground artist and styles that can be introduced, but aren't....sorry that last bit was kinda off topic...
djallstyle 11:16 PM - 30 September, 2012
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A Sync DJ is as bad as a DJ playing a mixcd and standing there pretending like they are DJing haha.... all you sync Dj's say what you wanna say, trying to justify your noobness at the end of the day I can beatmix and blend and you cant lmfao...

wannabe DJ's dreamed of becoming a real DJ and don't want to spend time in perfecting the art
now you can become a Sync DJ overnight

haha nobody wanted to elaborate on this comment because its 100% true and embarrassing for you Sync DJ's


What's funny is your pic of your NS7's (sync heaven)W/ this comment attached to it..... lol
djallstyle 11:20 PM - 30 September, 2012
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First to all those that said that the turntable is dead and long outdated.... they are still making turntables, they are just considered high end audio prodocts... and on that note, vynil record sales have also gone up 1000% ... and yes i know there is no such thing as 1000% but thats how big the jump in sales has been. Why?... well if i have tell you, then your not a real dj... lol second to all those "sync dj's" out there, there is definitely something that goes unlearned by not trying the old school method, if not, then there would'nt be so many programs like serato, tractor, and hundreds of other products that try to simulate two turntables and a mixer, which brings us to the controllers and the bastard child "the sync" button' which was only designed to cover up the programmers inability to simulate a perfectly good technic turntable and to boost sales by making mixing songs simple. Which reminds me of an old saying, " Everyone can learn to be a bartender, but not everyone can be a bartender." Which brings me to the one thing i hate most and that is that wanabee dj who "syncs" and only plays what is on the radio, or whats considered popular by the masses... masses which in-turn only follow the trends that are placed infront of them, and unfortunately its the tv and radio who dictate that popularity, well them and their sponsors. So many new underground artist and styles that can be introduced, but aren't....sorry that last bit was kinda off topic...


I'd love to see you bring out 5-6 crates of records & rock the party!! Become apart of the 100% record sales. Please!!!! GTFOH!!!! lmao!!
d:raf 11:44 PM - 30 September, 2012
This topic = Watchwww.youtube.com
Papa Midnight 12:16 AM - 1 October, 2012
phatbob 1:25 AM - 1 October, 2012
It's so weird, I play 4 nights a week using sync, but then when I come to my Tuesday night gig and I play on vinyl without sync, I can still mix perfectly well. It's like using sync hasn't affected me at all!

I know, really weird, right?

Can't get my head around it all. I know that as a sync user it shouldn't be possible. But yet, there I am, mixing away by ear all night just like a 'real' DJ.

Bizarre!
djjungle 1:34 AM - 1 October, 2012
as for the crates i have only eleven crates of music left though as far as i can remember i would only take two crates of music when i played, like there would be that much time to play six crates of music at a gig.. 6 crates x 60 records per crate... hmm i would hope they would be giving me a big chunk of money for playing a six hour set, would it please the court if i changed my photo to my 1210's and my old school numark mixer.... would that validate my comment, even though it would be redundate since were all in a forum regarding controllers and itch, so it would be obvious that most of us own a controller... and about the record sales, its actually- from 2009 to 2012 there has been a total of about 80% increase... read the business section of a newspaper every once in a while you could learn something...look it up, check the L.A. Times
djjungle 1:40 AM - 1 October, 2012
Phatbob i think everyone is fighting over a sync only dj vs a dj who can do both ... if a sync only dj is a real dj...right?
Papa Midnight 2:37 AM - 1 October, 2012
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Phatbob i think everyone is fighting over a sync only dj vs a dj who can do both ... if a sync only dj is a real dj...right?


It really doesn't matter when you step out in front of a crowd. They only care if you're going to fuck up or not. It's only, and I mean ONLY, other DJs who give a fuck what you're using.

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if there was a battle between real djs and "Sync djs" in a club that's with purely CDJ's or Turntable and mixer with no serato

Real DJ's will Hulk smash Sync DJ's all night long....


This statement might have credibility if you didn't dodge not one but two challenges for a battle.

It's also funny because just about a decade ago (give or take) before the advent and mainstream of products such as Serato and Traktor (I'm talking in the AtomixMP3 days), vinyl DJs absolutely hated CDJs and said they were going to destroy the DJing world... now they've been accepted. Funny how that works.

I guess 10 years from now, Controllerist will be hating on something too. Who's to say?

By the way, did you really remove your NS7 avatar just to try to slide djallstyle, and yet fail to remove it from your products list or even hide your product list? Come on man. Show some effort in your trolling.
djallstyle 3:06 AM - 1 October, 2012
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Phatbob i think everyone is fighting over a sync only dj vs a dj who can do both ... if a sync only dj is a real dj...right?


It really doesn't matter when you step out in front of a crowd. They only care if you're going to fuck up or not. It's only, and I mean ONLY, other DJs who give a fuck what you're using.

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if there was a battle between real djs and "Sync djs" in a club that's with purely CDJ's or Turntable and mixer with no serato

Real DJ's will Hulk smash Sync DJ's all night long....


This statement might have credibility if you didn't dodge not one but two challenges for a battle.

It's also funny because just about a decade ago (give or take) before the advent and mainstream of products such as Serato and Traktor (I'm talking in the AtomixMP3 days), vinyl DJs absolutely hated CDJs and said they were going to destroy the DJing world... now they've been accepted. Funny how that works.

I guess 10 years from now, Controllerist will be hating on something too. Who's to say?

By the way, did you really remove your NS7 avatar just to try to slide djallstyle, and yet fail to remove it from your products list or even hide your product list? Come on man. Show some effort in your trolling.


+1million!!! Right!!! I Think this jag off has Jergens next to his keyboard!! He removed that pic with the quickness! LMAO!!!!! "The Troll Is Out Of Control" The Mixtape is OTW....... All sync too!!
djallstyle 3:19 AM - 1 October, 2012
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as for the crates i have only eleven crates of music left though as far as i can remember i would only take two crates of music when i played, like there would be that much time to play six crates of music at a gig.. 6 crates x 60 records per crate... hmm i would hope they would be giving me a big chunk of money for playing a six hour set, would it please the court if i changed my photo to my 1210's and my old school numark mixer.... would that validate my comment, even though it would be redundate since were all in a forum regarding controllers and itch, so it would be obvious that most of us own a controller... and about the record sales, its actually- from 2009 to 2012 there has been a total of about 80% increase... read the business section of a newspaper every once in a while you could learn something...look it up, check the L.A. Times



No problems W/ whatever you use. I just feel that there's more to being a "real Dj" than using or not using sync. The only wax I will buy will have Serato/Traktor logo on it. I sold All my mainstream vinyl years ago. I may sell the rest of it,since Itunes has most of it remastered sounding 30 times better than the albums I own. When i did use crates & vinyl, It was easy for me to bring 5-6 crates. The crowd changes & I would easily go thru records playing hooks & just the main parts of records & mash ups... I've been a closing Dj most of my carrer & there is a certain energy you have to maintain, plus not get stuck playing the same set the same way all of the time.
I advocate learning all formats of deejaying! Creativity will set you apart the most.
Papa Midnight 8:13 AM - 1 October, 2012
...and now he changes his profile photo to shot of a TT. From the looks of it, it's likely a 1210.

I guess even Keyboard Warriors need to keep up appearances. Still a shame he hasn't hid his product listing.

I couldn't understand half of what he was saying in that broken excuse for English in that last post. I think he said I was full of it, but he never pointed out anything that was actually wrong (which is funny because none of it is). Then again, the grammar and spelling is so atrocious that I can't make it out. The only parts that made sense to me were my own quotes and the following line which stood out to me:

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It just wouldn't be fare going into battle with me bro.


You might be right. I'm not a battle DJ. You would likely have the advantage. So... If that's the case, why did you dodge two different invitations to do so? If it wouldn't be fair, why not just accept... massacre me on the decks, and call it a day? It would seem so simple wouldn't it?

But no. You didn't do that. A challenge was issued and you failed to step forward to even so much as address it with a yes or no. What's worse is you had not one but two chances, and you blew it.

As far as I'm concerned, you're full of hot air and blowing nothing but smoke; and by that notion, you're no longer worth my time.

To quote a legend, "Have a nice day".
DJ Kelly Web - The Mad Scientist 7:25 PM - 1 October, 2012
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I am too busy making money DJing to worry about who uses what. I think that anyone who goes to an event where another DJ is getting paid money to be there should not worry about what that DJ is doing. If you like SYNC use it. If you don't like it, DON'T USE it. It is a simple formula1. Learn your craft.2. Play your music.3. Move the crowd.4. Make your money.5. Repeat!


You sir is a Sync DJ

Actually I am not a sync DJ. I do not use sync at all. I learned on turntables and mix by ear. I just don't have time to worry about what someone else does. It's called "I HAVE A LIFE".
pdidy 1:24 AM - 2 October, 2012
Watchwww.youtube.com = sync dj
Watchwww.youtube.com = dj



Any questions ?
djdjonesdotcom 1:46 AM - 2 October, 2012
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I can't believe all of this foolishness!!

If you learned how to dj w/a controller, so what! Eff what Premier is talking about too (1 of my favs). Technology is here to stay. When he was using a mpc a current technology(@ that time) to make beats for Gangstarr, I bet a drummer & a full band was hating some where too. It's essential to stay as creative as possible & learn how to use everything available. I wouldn't dare tell a kid coming up, he has to buy some turntables(which they don't make anymore) to be a real Dj. If anything I would tell him use sync & learn how to play w/out it as well. CREATIVITY is what make most Djs dope, respected & in high demand. When you use sync u can pull off many other mind blowing & crowd pleasing effects & tricks. When you don't use sync a lot of us tend to sound similar. However, if your @ a spot & there is no room for or can't use your set up, that shouldn't be a reason not to make money. I suggest learning whatever you can get your hands on. I will never attempt to discourage an up/coming Dj not to go after it, because of throwback technology. Oh yeah, I hope you haters are typing your post w/a Timeport pager too!!! Everything can evolve, but the Dj's??? GTFOH!!


Well put sir!
d:raf 2:50 AM - 2 October, 2012
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Watchwww.youtube.com = sync dj
Watchwww.youtube.com = dj



Any questions ?


Yeah... I think of it more this way.

Traditional DJ: www.florencedailynews.com

Sync DJ: browse.deviantart.com
pdidy 3:01 AM - 2 October, 2012
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Watchwww.youtube.com = sync dj
Watchwww.youtube.com = dj



Any questions ?


Yeah... I think of it more this way.

Traditional DJ: www.florencedailynews.com

Sync DJ: browse.deviantart.com

I get it but a photo does not reveal technique or skills required.....
d:raf 3:05 AM - 2 October, 2012
It's not just a photo; it's digitally-enhanced photoshop art.

I suck at photoshop, so I can appreciate the effort...
pdidy 3:15 AM - 2 October, 2012
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I suck at photoshop, so I can appreciate the effort...

Hey so do I, I guess that makes us the equivalent of the average club goer in the art world.
d:raf 3:21 AM - 2 October, 2012
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I suck at photoshop, so I can appreciate the effort...

Hey so do I, I guess that makes us the equivalent of the average club goer in the art world.


lol

Also, if you give me photoshop vs. oil paints and a canvas and tell me to make something, whatever I cobble together in photoshop might look a lot better than what I make with oil paint, but both will still suck when compared to anything made by someone who knows what they're doing.
pdidy 3:38 AM - 2 October, 2012
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Also, if you give me photoshop vs. oil paints and a canvas and tell me to make something, whatever I cobble together in photoshop might look a lot better than what I make with oil paint, but both will still suck when compared to anything made by someone who knows what they're doing.

fixed it for you....lol
Also, if you give me sync djing vs. Traditional DJing and a gig and tell me to mix something, whatever I cobble together syncing might sound a lot better than what I make with Traditional DJing, but both will still suck when compared to anything made by someone who knows what they're doing.
pdidy 3:38 AM - 2 October, 2012
jokes....
d:raf 6:34 AM - 2 October, 2012
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fixed it for you....lol
Also, if you give me sync djing vs. Traditional DJing and a gig and tell me to mix something, whatever I cobble together syncing might sound a lot better than what I make with Traditional DJing, but both will still suck when compared to anything made by someone who knows what they're doing.


If you're talking about 4-deck mixing, I agree with you ;). I tried it once on a display setup of Denon DN-S5000s at WMC with drum & bass back in the day; I got 4 tracks going and held them together for about 45 seconds before one started drifting and I couldn't find it in time enough to fix it.

(and before anybody brings his name up, even with sync I sound nothing like Carl Cox).
phatbob 6:54 AM - 2 October, 2012
Sync DJ: Watchyoutube.com

Any more questions?
blackavenger 8:45 AM - 2 October, 2012
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Sync DJ: Watchyoutube.com

Any more questions?

EXACTLY.....even w' SYNC, "he's a bad motherf#*ker"!!!!!
pdidy 9:00 AM - 2 October, 2012
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Sync DJ: Watchyoutube.com

Any more questions?

That was str8 banana's.....and unfair cause you pulled the Craze card...lol
Plus Craze is disqualified from this debate by default, Dude is better that 99.9999% of mankind. Thats like giving Bruce Lee a AK47 to fight with....no fair...lol
phatbob 11:29 AM - 2 October, 2012
To be honest, I've just been looking for somewhere appropriate to share that video, and this seemed like a suitable thread.

Craze really is the f*cking BOSS. ;-)
Papa Midnight 4:14 PM - 2 October, 2012
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Sync DJ: Watchyoutube.com

Any more questions?

EXACTLY.....even w' SYNC, "he's a bad motherf#*ker"!!!!!

Yup, but according to some logic, the mere fact he uses SYNC makes him a bad DJ, and a noob. And he uses the waveform? OH NO! HE'S WAVEFORM RIDING! HE'S NOT MIXING BY EAR! OMG HE SUCKS.

Just using the logic of some in this thread, that's all. Sounds absolutely stupid and ridiculous doesn't it?

P.S., that shit was awesome.
djallstyle 5:35 PM - 2 October, 2012
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Sync DJ: Watchyoutube.com

Any more questions?

EXACTLY.....even w' SYNC, "he's a bad motherf#*ker"!!!!!

Yup, but according to some logic, the mere fact he uses SYNC makes him a bad DJ, and a noob. And he uses the waveform? OH NO! HE'S WAVEFORM RIDING! HE'S NOT MIXING BY EAR! OMG HE SUCKS.

Just using the logic of some in this thread, that's all. Sounds absolutely stupid and ridiculous doesn't it?

P.S., that shit was awesome.


This Vid proves my primary points during this thread. Creativity will set you apart & give you your own style & sound. Sync or not, you still have to be fresh & dare to do things different! Thank U & Good Night!!!(Ehhh meant afternoon) LOL!!
pdidy 6:31 PM - 2 October, 2012
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Sync DJ: Watchyoutube.com

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EXACTLY.....even w' SYNC, "he's a bad motherf#*ker"!!!!!

Yup, but according to some logic, the mere fact he uses SYNC makes him a bad DJ, and a noob. And he uses the waveform? OH NO! HE'S WAVEFORM RIDING! HE'S NOT MIXING BY EAR! OMG HE SUCKS.

Just using the logic of some in this thread, that's all. Sounds absolutely stupid and ridiculous doesn't it?

P.S., that shit was awesome.


This Vid proves my primary points during this thread. Creativity will set you apart & give you your own style & sound. Sync or not, you still have to be fresh & dare to do things different! Thank U & Good Night!!!(Ehhh meant afternoon) LOL!!

Well actually it doesn't prove anything, Craze is extremely highly skilled an could have easily pulled off this same set by using headphone, manually beat matching with no sync. Hes a bad example because he does not "require sync" to mix incredibly well.
DJ Boss Sounds 6:50 PM - 2 October, 2012
Alot of you are missing the point. It's been said several times. If one has not EARNED the right to be called a DJ, then they are not a DJ. I have EARNED the right to call myself a DJ, thus, I can use what I want- when I want.

However, if one doesn't have the BASIC skill sets to become a DJ & subsequently uses hardware for the sole purpose of using sync, sorry but that person isn't a REAL DJ.

Does that make sense InSync Fan Boys???
phatbob 7:02 PM - 2 October, 2012
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Alot of you are missing the point. It's been said several times. If one has not EARNED the right to be called a DJ, then they are not a DJ. I have EARNED the right to call myself a DJ, thus, I can use what I want- when I want.

However, if one doesn't have the BASIC skill sets to become a DJ & subsequently uses hardware for the sole purpose of using sync, sorry but that person isn't a REAL DJ.

Does that make sense InSync Fan Boys???


That might be your point. But that is a different point from others in this thread who think that ANYONE who uses sync is not a 'real DJ'.
pdidy 7:06 PM - 2 October, 2012
I get your point....i just figured the rest were trying to ignore it based on some comments.
pdidy 7:10 PM - 2 October, 2012
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Alot of you are missing the point. It's been said several times. If one has not EARNED the right to be called a DJ, then they are not a DJ. I have EARNED the right to call myself a DJ, thus, I can use what I want- when I want.

However, if one doesn't have the BASIC skill sets to become a DJ & subsequently uses hardware for the sole purpose of using sync, sorry but that person isn't a REAL DJ.

Does that make sense InSync Fan Boys???


That might be your point. But that is a different point from others in this thread who think that ANYONE who uses sync is not a 'real DJ'.

Well anyone claiming that would have to be mentally challenged.....
phatbob 7:14 PM - 2 October, 2012
Scroll up a bit, plenty to be found.
DJ Boss Sounds 8:17 PM - 2 October, 2012
hehehe....come on 400 posts....then 1,000, then who knows!!!!

This is the most famous debate since Machintosh vs Windows!

LOL
djkrazyleo 9:03 PM - 2 October, 2012
i,ve seen allot of dj using sync and still cant do a proper mix now that,s crazy if you are using sync to compliment the art then do you. If you are an upcoming dj try to learn the art without depending on the computer screen are the sync button.
djallstyle 9:39 PM - 2 October, 2012
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Sync DJ: Watchyoutube.com

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EXACTLY.....even w' SYNC, "he's a bad motherf#*ker"!!!!!

Yup, but according to some logic, the mere fact he uses SYNC makes him a bad DJ, and a noob. And he uses the waveform? OH NO! HE'S WAVEFORM RIDING! HE'S NOT MIXING BY EAR! OMG HE SUCKS.

Just using the logic of some in this thread, that's all. Sounds absolutely stupid and ridiculous doesn't it?

P.S., that shit was awesome.


This Vid proves my primary points during this thread. Creativity will set you apart & give you your own style & sound. Sync or not, you still have to be fresh & dare to do things different! Thank U & Good Night!!!(Ehhh meant afternoon) LOL!!

Well actually it doesn't prove anything, Craze is extremely highly skilled an could have easily pulled off this same set by using headphone, manually beat matching with no sync. Hes a bad example because he does not "require sync" to mix incredibly well.


You may want to review that vid one more time. Not knocking Craze's skills. But, he was able to focus on other jaw dropping transitions. If you calculate the buttons, nobs turned, loops activated & etc. That would be impossible without the help of sync.I Believe he would've had the crowd going crazy w/out sync, the music selection was great. However, he pulled off the transitions we could only dream about b4 sync, especially since he did them live. How to use current technology, creativity & music selection is what will determine real djs as we move forward.
As stated in a earlier post, U can have a train wreck using sync too, I can truly attest to that. There sure a lot of "REAL DJ'S" to be on Controllerist forum anyway.

Just an observation
djallstyle 9:42 PM - 2 October, 2012
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Alot of you are missing the point. It's been said several times. If one has not EARNED the right to be called a DJ, then they are not a DJ. I have EARNED the right to call myself a DJ, thus, I can use what I want- when I want.

However, if one doesn't have the BASIC skill sets to become a DJ & subsequently uses hardware for the sole purpose of using sync, sorry but that person isn't a REAL DJ.

Does that make sense InSync Fan Boys???



What is earning the right? What does that include? Who verifies that? Do i get a plaque or certificate? Is there a principal or dean of that? Do we get lunch too? GTFOH!!!
djallstyle 9:44 PM - 2 October, 2012
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hehehe....come on 400 posts....then 1,000, then who knows!!!!

This is the most famous debate since Machintosh vs Windows!

LOL



Now you finally write something i pretty much agree with! Damn, a great day in Chicago!
pdidy 10:29 PM - 2 October, 2012
@ djallstyle, Its apparent you dont no how skilled craze "REALLY" is.
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Not knocking Craze's skills. But, he was able to focus on other jaw dropping transitions.

There were absolutlely NO, I repeat NO jaw dropping transitions that came close to testing his skills in anyway what so ever. He didnt "NEED" sync, it only made the mix easier for him , thats all.....
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If you calculate the buttons, nobs turned, loops activated & etc. That would be impossible without the help of sync.
impossible for you maybe but this can easily be done with serato no sync and a midi controller.
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I agree, thats why the set was so good.
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However, he pulled off the transitions we could only dream about b4 sync, especially since he did them live.
Sorry not true, Ive seen more advanced use of loops fx ect. without sync in serato, But I still preferred his set due to his creativity & music selection without a question.
Papa Midnight 11:07 PM - 2 October, 2012
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As stated in a earlier post, U can have a train wreck using sync too, I can truly attest to that. There sure a lot of "REAL DJ'S" to be on Controllerist forum anyway.

I hate to point this out, but there's a point to be made here with this statement.

Hell, pop onto the General DJ Discussion or SL forums and merely mention that you own anything other than a CDJ or TT and see what happens, lol.
djallstyle 12:02 AM - 3 October, 2012
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@ djallstyle, Its apparent you dont no how skilled craze "REALLY" is.
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Not knocking Craze's skills. But, he was able to focus on other jaw dropping transitions.

There were absolutlely NO, I repeat NO jaw dropping transitions that came close to testing his skills in anyway what so ever. He didnt "NEED" sync, it only made the mix easier for him , thats all.....
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If you calculate the buttons, nobs turned, loops activated & etc. That would be impossible without the help of sync.
impossible for you maybe but this can easily be done with serato no sync and a midi controller.
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the music selection was great.

I agree, thats why the set was so good.
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However, he pulled off the transitions we could only dream about b4 sync, especially since he did them live.
Sorry not true, Ive seen more advanced use of loops fx ect. without sync in serato, But I still preferred his set due to his creativity & music selection without a question.



Fam,
I have seen Craze enough times to know he would have rocked that crowd w/ that music selection & simple transitions too. However he chose to use TT's,"MIDI" controller, mixer & the app together. My main point is using or not using sync does nothing, as far as you being or not being a "Real DJ" If you use sync u can eff up a blend too. Touch a platter by mistake or scratch your downbeat into a blend a little off & see what happens.
My primary word of advice to up & coming Djs, is to learn whatever you can get your hands on/afford. Serato, tracktor & computers has changed the Dj culture forever. People on this forum complaining about sync sound ignorant to me. THIS forum is for the controller Djs... Damn! Y'all should bitch @ Serato & Tracktor for making it an option. I hope U have a bag phone too! Your old school for real huh????? Lol...
pdidy 7:50 AM - 3 October, 2012
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(and before anybody brings his name up, even with sync I sound nothing like Carl Cox).

I keep hearing all this talk about this guy Carl Cox around here. Being that im a hiphop/reggae/r&b dj, I dont no much about him so i looked him up today an dude is NICE. I really like this mix rite here.....mind you, im not a fan of house,edm,electro or what ever its called....lol
Watchwww.youtube.com
phatbob 7:58 AM - 3 October, 2012
Although he does play some House and other stuff in his sets, Carl Cox is definitely a Techno DJ. And that's Techno in the proper, Detroit sense, not in the way that Techno is sometimes used to describe all electronic dance music.

And yeah, he's badass. ;-)
djallstyle 12:01 PM - 3 October, 2012
This new Pioneer DDJ SX controller really seems like they don't condone fake Djs that use sync! Lol....... NOT!!! All of the resources are going into Sync Djs, effects & new technologies. As a 380 owner, it's still tough to sync blend & do some interesting tricks @ "the same damn time"(pun intended).... The 380 may be OTW out the door. At least my 300 is gone & the 380 will be back up. Oh well, I bought the iPhone 5 too...lol... I may be a sucker for new tech ish!!
d:raf 5:03 PM - 3 October, 2012
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I keep hearing all this talk about this guy Carl Cox around here. Being that im a hiphop/reggae/r&b dj, I dont no much about him so i looked him up today an dude is NICE. I really like this mix rite here.....mind you, im not a fan of house,edm,electro or what ever its called....lol
Watchwww.youtube.com


Excellent video; note that most of the mixing takes place on... the mixer!

People who say "with sync anybody can sound like Carl Cox" have either never seen/heard/watched him play, have never tried mixing 3-4 decks together themselves (with or without sync) or they're just talking out of their posterior (or all of the above). To pull it off properly is so much more than just locking the beats together...
djallstyle 6:21 PM - 3 October, 2012
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I keep hearing all this talk about this guy Carl Cox around here. Being that im a hiphop/reggae/r&b dj, I dont no much about him so i looked him up today an dude is NICE. I really like this mix rite here.....mind you, im not a fan of house,edm,electro or what ever its called....lol
Watchwww.youtube.com


Excellent video; note that most of the mixing takes place on... the mixer!

People who say "with sync anybody can sound like Carl Cox" have either never seen/heard/watched him play, have never tried mixing 3-4 decks together themselves (with or without sync) or they're just talking out of their posterior (or all of the above). To pull it off properly is so much more than just locking the beats together...



Agree +100
swaggadagga 9:27 PM - 26 March, 2013
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Now when it comes to Sync I look like it as an automatic transmission in a car. I learned how to drive with a manual transmission first. Now I don't think there is any requirement anywhere in the world to know how to use and manual transmission to drive (unless you want to drive a semi or a race car).

There are people that only know how how to drive with an automatic transmission and they can drive just as good as the person with a manual transmission. Then we all know there are tons of people out in the world that can't drive a car safely regardless of what transmission they have either. So sync is pretty much the invention of the automatic transmission now days


Until the day comes when you running for your life, and your only escape is a car, but its a stick shift! boy ur in Sh!t! Word of advice If ever you plan to travel out of the US please learn to drive a stick shift, cause most cars in foreign countries are stick shift.
Dee2DaJay 4:29 AM - 1 April, 2013
I use sync occasionally, with live tempo tracks or when using 3-4 decks "@the same damn time". Sync is cheating and takes the fun out of DJ'n but sometime needed! But that's technology.
dj_soo 8:31 AM - 1 April, 2013
It's never "needed"
DJ Boss Sounds 4:05 AM - 4 April, 2013
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+1
FabulousFrequencies 5:28 PM - 5 April, 2013
Only thing I have against jumping straight into the technology, as someone 'new', is the fundamentals you will miss. Because not all equipment is the same and technology will fail you eventually. Sync requires TIGHT gridding and if you don't do it personally you're relying on a flawed algorithm. Key detection tools are also not inherently 100% accurate.

However, if you take the time to build off good fundamentals you are prepared for anything you step up to regardless of circumstances. I think technology is great (it's always a part of my life in general). I don't hate on anyone doing any thing because it's different strokes for different folks. I really wish others would see this and stop debating it.

When the automatic transmission came out you didn't see the manual crowd crying fowl because some drivers didn't have to learn to drive manually first or think those gear shifts through for 1/2 second. However, the point a lot of people miss in an analogy such as this is that people who learned solely to drive an automatic - can't jump into a manual very smoothly.

This is the point of basic fundamentals. If you 'skip' them i'll never hate on you. Because it's you that you're selling short, not me. People who jump straight to SYNC are cheating themselves, not us. Let them suffer the consequences down the road when the downbeats don't line up and they panic. It's not your problem.

/opinion
DJ ENUF 5:47 PM - 5 April, 2013
Calling yourself a dj when you rely on sync to get from a to b is like calling Mili Vanili artists.
Sure, your a dj. Your a MILI VANILI FUNK FAKING SUCKA AZZ DJ!!!!!!!! I dont care if your triggering 50 layered effects, loops, samples, whatever you are masking your lack of actual MIXING ABILITY!!!
Watchwww.youtube.com
FabulousFrequencies 5:51 PM - 5 April, 2013



And look what they accomplished in proving - Image sells before talent and skill.

Wait.. Didn't Serato and Pioneer just do this? o.O

::: runs
FabulousFrequencies 5:59 PM - 5 April, 2013
o.O I wonder who's singing FAB's new tracks???

www.fabmorvan.com
DJ Boss Sounds 6:22 PM - 5 April, 2013
maviccf 5:09 AM - 6 April, 2013
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Church!!!!

Watchwww.youtube.com



+1
blackavenger 4:46 PM - 6 April, 2013
The only way this argument makes any sense is if you are using Technics/CDJs without ScratchLIVE, Traktor, (any DVS), Recordbox, or any BPM detecting software/hardware.
maviccf 5:01 PM - 6 April, 2013
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The only way this argument makes any sense is if you are using Technics/CDJs without ScratchLIVE, Traktor, (any DVS), Recordbox, or any BPM detecting software/hardware.

+1
Papa Midnight 11:28 PM - 6 April, 2013
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The only way this argument makes any sense is if you are using Technics/CDJs without ScratchLIVE, Traktor, (any DVS), Recordbox, or any BPM detecting software/hardware.

+1

+0.5.

Some CDJ models include automatic beat-matching now.

Either way, this has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've seen in my years as a DJ, but it keeps perpetuating.
Papa Midnight 11:30 PM - 6 April, 2013
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The only way this argument makes any sense is if you are using Technics/CDJs without ScratchLIVE, Traktor, (any DVS), Recordbox, or any BPM detecting software/hardware.

+1

+0.5.

Some CDJ models include automatic beat-matching now.

Either way, this has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've seen in my years as a DJ, but it keeps perpetuating.

...and by this, I mean the whole constant carping over sync...

Who needs it
Who doesn't need it
When it should be used
When it shouldn't be used
It's okay if...
It's not okay if...
It's never okay...
Controllerist
Turntablist
Button Pushers
Old
New
Up
Down
Left
Right

Blah-blah-fraking-blah.

Seriously, don't you guys have gigs to be doing?
dj lashes 12:44 AM - 8 April, 2013
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Seriously, don't you guys have gigs to be doing?

thats the problem they dont have any more gigs VDJ is killing them lolololololol
swaggadagga 2:26 AM - 8 April, 2013
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Seriously, don't you guys have gigs to be doing?



Dont you?
maviccf 12:18 PM - 8 April, 2013
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Seriously, don't you guys have gigs to be doing?

thats the problem they dont have any more gigs VDJ is killing them lolololololol

He's got a point, VDJ is available to any wanna be and they are selling the job really cheap.
Dee2DaJay 8:44 AM - 23 December, 2013
Mad late but music and love for the music can be expressed in many forms. I'm an old skool vinyl DJ but like the new technology and the possibilities it brings. I rarely use sync except on occasions where I'm mixing 3-4 tracks at the same time or doing a remix. So talent is talent and love for music and creating new music is universal regardless of what means you use to do it!
DJ Boss Sounds 7:54 AM - 28 March, 2014
I'm Baaaaaaaaack......if you use sync you suck!
The Despicable Nyan Cat 11:40 PM - 16 April, 2014
Does this have to do with the fact that there is no sync button in SSL?
DJ Boss Sounds 2:54 AM - 17 April, 2014
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Does this have to do with the fact that there is no sync button in SSL?


no, the fact that the sync button has been responsible for creating new DJ's everywhere, and it's pushing the value of a DJ down, Back in the days DJ's had to learn and acquire certain skills to become a dj and Dj's were rare , we used to get top dollar for that, now days every man and his dog wants to become a dj because they think they can beat mix just by pushing the "sync" button and now take mobile Djing for instance we have to drop our prices just to compete with the $150 to $250 Djs that have been around for less then 2 years, and Ive been DJing for over 20years, I'm just saying that's whats happening in my neck of the woods


+1.2 billion
DJ Demolition 1:57 AM - 22 April, 2014
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I'm an ole school DJ. 1200s Vestax 05 mixer and 40k of records. I still have them all. I have vci 300 mk2. I do use the sync option because the pitch faders are not the best. Real djing is about music knowledge and selection. There is nothing like taking ppl on a journey musically. I think we all started by just playing music. Great DJs have that killer selection. If you use sync you are not less of a DJ. If you just play music without creativity then you are.



Amen.
DJ RoachC 11:30 PM - 29 April, 2014
Why do DJs feel that using Sync control is cheating or you are not a real DJ. I have been playing music since the late 70s but started calling myself a DJ in 1983. In 1977, at house parties and in clubs we used turn tables that did not have pitch control. We used our thumb and index finger to meet the record from spinning to fast to stay in beat. Other DJs use Reel to Reel and spliced tapes. When pitch control turn tables came out DJs started using the pitch faders. Are the DJs that use the new pitch controls real DJs? They lost out on the art of beat matching by hand. Yes, the people that uses pitch controls are real Djs. Like all DJs, we embrace technology. Now there are controllers and CDJs that have sync buttons. Technology BABY, embrace it and use it. It allow you to be creative in other areas. DJ RoachC Formerly DJ Passion in the 80s
DJ RoachC 11:34 PM - 29 April, 2014
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The only way this argument makes any sense is if you are using Technics/CDJs without ScratchLIVE, Traktor, (any DVS), Recordbox, or any BPM detecting software/hardware.

+1

+0.5.

Some CDJ models include automatic beat-matching now.

Either way, this has to be one of the dumbest arguments I've seen in my years as a DJ, but it keeps perpetuating.

Why do DJs feel that using Sync control is cheating or you are not a real DJ. I have been playing music since the late 70s but started calling myself a DJ in 1983. In 1977, at house parties and in clubs we used turn tables that did not have pitch control. We used our thumb and index finger to meet the record from spinning to fast to stay in beat. Other DJs use Reel to Reel and spliced tapes. When pitch control turn tables came out DJs started using the pitch faders. Are the DJs that use the new pitch controls real DJs? They lost out on the art of beat matching by hand. Yes, the people that uses pitch controls are real Djs. Like all DJs, we embrace technology. Now there are controllers and CDJs that have sync buttons. Technology BABY, embrace it and use it. It allow you to be creative in other areas.

As stated above, some CDJs have beat matching. You are still a DJ if you use CDJs with beat matching or Virtual DJ or Deckadance that the software have automatic beat matching as soon as you load the music file. You are a Real DJ by being creative!! Sync or no sync..

DJ RoachC Formerly DJ Passion in the 80s
blackavenger 4:24 AM - 30 April, 2014
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I'd go back to Passion........Roach? Seriously?
DJ Demolition 2:39 AM - 1 May, 2014
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I'd go back to Passion........Roach? Seriously?


I hear you, but that's probably his actual name. In certain areas of Europe, "roach", "roche", "rose", etc.., just mean "red" when you research the etymology.
blackavenger 3:17 AM - 1 May, 2014
I was unaware of that........see, you really do learn something new everyday ;-)
DJ Demolition 3:33 AM - 1 May, 2014
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Yes, the people that uses pitch controls are real Djs. Like all DJs, we embrace technology. Now there are controllers and CDJs that have sync buttons. Technology BABY, embrace it and use it. It allow you to be creative in other areas.


When you boil the argument down to it's essence, the issue isn't sync, pitch control, or anything that simple. The problem is that you work very hard to be the best at something, and before you are ready to retire, new technology comes on line that allows wannabe's , etc., to move in on your territory and reputation.

It happens in all fields. Imagine you were a highly paid and indispensable hand draftsman, and then along comes computer aided drafting and pen plotters. Or you are the well compensated "lead-man" in an auto body-shop (that's "lead" as in what bullets are made of), and along comes a new product called "Bondo", and suddenly you're just a nobody, because just about anyone can use Bondo effectively.

I remember when I first learned to use computers. I had to learn all the DOS commands by heart, and learn how to program in Microsoft Basic. That was a huge learning curve for me, as I was already in my mid thirties with a full schedule. Well, along about the time I really got good at it, and felt like I was going to be able to make it all pay off.., Microsoft released Windows... And yeah, I hated it for the same reason that these guys hate sync! 'cause now anybody could do most of what I could do, without having to pay the price.

Sometimes technology has nothing to do with it, ..sometimes life is just unfair. Back (in the early to mid '80s) when I was running my mobile systems, we had the best setups around anywhere. We brought a full club setup out, even on our regular shows. Yet, because they had an excellent advertising medium that was basically free to them, the radio jocks could book gigs at 20% more than us most of the time. They'd come out with some ridiculous low budget junk packed into the back of their Pinto station wagon or what have you. They would have maybe a couple of 15" speaker cabinets that they would set in the floor, and a cassette deck or something similar, sitting on a folding table, and honestly I don't think most of their audiences were even bright enough to know the difference. Man... it still makes me ill to think about it.

Getting mad about it doesn't help anything, though. All you can do is pick up the new tools and keep going, or better yet, try to think ahead. Maybe you can get ahead of everyone else if you have the right idea, and stop playing catch-up.
blackavenger 4:36 AM - 1 May, 2014
That's one of the most constructive arguments I've ever read
regarding sync......kudos, Demolition!
The Despicable Nyan Cat 12:43 PM - 1 May, 2014
+1, DEMO!!!
DJ Boss Sounds 6:41 PM - 1 May, 2014
Bottom line, if one doesn't know the basics and relies on sync- they suck! Period. End of story.
d:raf 11:39 PM - 1 May, 2014
This thread + subject = lancing a dead whale.

Watchwww.youtube.com
The Despicable Nyan Cat 11:58 PM - 1 May, 2014
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This thread + subject = lancing a dead whale.

Watchwww.youtube.com

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DJ RoachC 3:50 AM - 2 May, 2014
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DJ RoachC Formerly DJ Passion in the 80s

I'd go back to Passion........Roach? Seriously?


Ha, ha U got JOKES!
AKIEM 6:42 PM - 2 May, 2014
anyone post any creative sync use in here?
(or just the same bs)
nm
The Despicable Nyan Cat 9:00 PM - 2 May, 2014
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dj is a someone who selects and plays recorded music to an audience, how u do it does not make you anymore a dj then the next the crowed all of the time like dj more or less not even by how good they play but more like how big your name is radio1 or big club backing you ect..

-dj lashes


+1
The Despicable Nyan Cat 9:01 PM - 2 May, 2014
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To pull it off properly is so much more than just locking the beats together
The Despicable Nyan Cat 9:05 PM - 2 May, 2014
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let me toss in a quote from dj craze... and just in case you need his credentials here they are
Time Magazine's "America's Best" DJ - 2001[7]
World DMC Team Champion - 2001
World DMC Champion - 2000
World DMC Champion - 1999
Winter Music Conference Scratch Off Champion - 1999
World DMC Champion - 1998
USA DMC Champion - 1998
World ITF Scratch Off Champion - 1998



ITF Western Hemisphere Scratch Off Champion - 1998
Winter Music Conference Scratch Off Champion - 1998
Winter Music Conference Scratch Off Champion - 1997
East Coast DMC Champion - 1997
Winter Music Conference Scratch Off Champion - 1996
East Coast Rap Sheet Champion - 1996
Zulu National Champion - 1996
Zulu National Champion - 1995
his quote is " yes i use the sync button but i dare anyone to challenge my skills" point is just cause someone uses a feature don't think they don't have skills
DJ Demolition 3:36 AM - 3 May, 2014
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anyone post any creative sync use in here?
(or just the same bs)


Personally, I use it when I'm mixing tracks with extremely inconsistent BPMs. Also, I have a lot of favorite tracks that I've ripped from pre-mixed compilations. The BPM ramps up or down at the beginning and the end of many of these. It's just too much trouble to ride the pitch fader when mixing them, and I'd rather focus my attention elsewhere. I just put a note to myself in the comments area, to use sync on that track(s).

I also use it a lot when I'm mixing with my Twitch. Because, it just isn't set up with adequate features to mix the old fashioned way. That's not to say you can't do it. ...it's just too awkward to hassle with, unless it's a "have to" situation.
DJ Demolition 5:15 PM - 3 May, 2014
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Bottom line, if one doesn't know the basics and relies on sync- they suck! Period. End of story.


Well, being an old school DJ, I would tend to agree of course...

But then to be realistic, one must ask the question: is DJing about impressing other DJs, or is it about impressing the audience?
DJ Boss Sounds 5:52 PM - 3 May, 2014
I think it's more about having respect for the art. However, I see what you're saying. How about this- it's not cool for someone to carry a fake PD badge right? They didn't go through training!
DJ Demolition 8:50 PM - 3 May, 2014
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How about this- it's not cool for someone to carry a fake PD badge right? They didn't go through training!


Oh... you don't want my opinion on that! Suffice to say that I don't think it's cool either way.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 8:00 PM - 7 May, 2014
You know somebody who doesn't use sync?
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nm
AlxRyde 6:54 PM - 8 May, 2014
Imho, DJ'ing is more about programming a tracklist on the fly. I don't give people that just play Top 10 or Top whatever lists as much respect, the guys who are digging through music old and new and figuring out new ways to play them are doing the real work. As technical as DJ'ing can be, it still boils down to you and your music in the end.

If you know how to beatmatch, you are 200% more versatile than any DJ that uses Sync though. There are some DJ's that might not need the versatility, if they're doing crazy solo acts with Traktor/Ableton/etc. Regular clubroom DJ's I think should know though, as you risk putting your entire set on the line if you don't know how to manually fix BPMs and phase. Necessary, imo no, but its the respectable thing to know in those areas.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 9:40 PM - 8 May, 2014
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Imho, DJ'ing is more about programming a tracklist on the fly. I don't give people that just play Top 10 or Top whatever lists as much respect, the guys who are digging through music old and new and figuring out new ways to play them are doing the real work. As technical as DJ'ing can be, it still boils down to you and your music in the end.

If you know how to beatmatch, you are 200% more versatile than any DJ that uses Sync though. There are some DJ's that might not need the versatility, if they're doing crazy solo acts with Traktor/Ableton/etc. Regular clubroom DJ's I think should know though, as you risk putting your entire set on the line if you don't know how to manually fix BPMs and phase. Necessary, imo no, but its the respectable thing to know in those areas.

QFT
DJ Boss Sounds 11:25 PM - 8 May, 2014
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Imho, DJ'ing is more about programming a tracklist on the fly. I don't give people that just play Top 10 or Top whatever lists as much respect, the guys who are digging through music old and new and figuring out new ways to play them are doing the real work. As technical as DJ'ing can be, it still boils down to you and your music in the end.

If you know how to beatmatch, you are 200% more versatile than any DJ that uses Sync though. There are some DJ's that might not need the versatility, if they're doing crazy solo acts with Traktor/Ableton/etc. Regular clubroom DJ's I think should know though, as you risk putting your entire set on the line if you don't know how to manually fix BPMs and phase. Necessary, imo no, but its the respectable thing to know in those areas.


+1
DJ Demolition 2:46 AM - 9 May, 2014
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Regular clubroom DJ's I think should know though, as you risk putting your entire set on the line if you don't know how to manually fix BPMs and phase. Necessary, imo no, but its the respectable thing to know in those areas.


Honestly, I don't think SYNC would save anyone who didn't understand those basics. But even so, you can be the most skilled DJ around, yet if you don't have a good understanding of people, of music itself, and some taste to go along with that knowledge... Well, your not going to have much luck with any savvy audience.

There's a guy here in town (who shall remain nameless) who has massive natural talent, and amazing skill. He can multitask at a rate that just blows me away (both figuratively, and in practice), however.., he has NO taste. So, unless someone provides him with a good playlist and instructions to stick to it, he will spin mostly top 40 and garbage hip-hop all night long, every night.

If he and I are playing to the same (hip) audience, I will reach deep into my treasure of tracks and tricks, and pull the crowd every time. Because, I can spin a web (so to speak), change the mood, tell a story, paint a picture, etc... with my music. Despite his other talents, that is simply something he will never understand. And yeah, I might use the SYNC button every now and then, but if it helps me get the job done right, I make no apology for that.

When you watch a magician, is it more important whether he actually pulled a rabbit of of his hat, or that it simply looked that way to the audience? Either way, it's an amazing thing to watch... am I correct?
DJ RoachC 8:29 PM - 20 May, 2014
Sync is just that.. Sync. It doesn't make you a better or worst DJ. The fact that technology allows you to use your eyes to ensure that the two or more waves are in sync is the same as using hardware sync. To disregard any sort of sync will toss out all sync to include visual sync. How hard is it to set the BPMs the same then start the second song downbeat with the first song downbeat. Once the BPMs are the same, the music will stay in sync for the most part.

How many of the DJs that are in the conversation can mix 12" records with no visual aids to help them sync. Rather you using your eyes or hardware to sync, the result is the same. I know lots of people needs the urge to talk about other people that doesn't do things the way they do it and that is insulting to the craft.

The craft went from splicing tapes to 12" to CDs to .mp3s/4. Embrace technology and stop fighting it. I guess making music in DAWs is cheating because you are not using live instruments.

A DJ rocks the crowd regardless of how he does it. Some use Traktor, Serato, Ableton, Deckadance and more. And Ableton is a great DJ tool but it uses software sync. Most well known DJs uses software sync (Ableton Live) to DJ such as Armin Van Burden and DJ Jazzy Jeff. How many DJs in this conversation can demand more money per event that Armin Van Burden? He uses SYNC.
KoopzLeTroopz 10:22 PM - 22 May, 2014
Nothing against Sync, at all.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 10:54 PM - 22 May, 2014
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Nothing against Sync, at all.

+1
The Despicable Nyan Cat 11:46 AM - 31 May, 2014
And one more thing, for everyone who is firmly against sync; against the flow of technology:
What is your opinion of Google's self-driving cars?
AKIEM 5:08 PM - 31 May, 2014
I can't wait for my car to drive myself and the people I drive around currently. That's because drive is not an ART FORM, or an OCCUPATION, its a chore.

I'm going to love drinking as much as I want, stumbling to the vehicle and have it whisk me away while I flip of a cab driver.


Being against sync is not being agains technology. That's some dumb shit. Don't you have to be using a computer in the first place to even be concerned about the sync issue. Yeah I think so.

Nm
DJ Demolition 8:29 PM - 7 June, 2014
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I can't wait for my car to drive myself and the people I drive around currently. That's because drive is not an ART FORM, or an OCCUPATION, its a chore.


Obviously, you and I don't drive the same type of cars.
Mr Wilks 3:48 PM - 8 June, 2014
Do people call automatic shift cars cheating as opposed to manual shift cars?

I learned a manual like the majority of people here and find anyone who has a car that automatically changes gear for them just at the right time a cheat that requires less skills and makes a mockery of the graft put in to earn my manual shift licence.

Lewis Hamilton is a fraud in that F1 car! Also, many US drivers have never driven a manual car. In the UK it's the opposite way around as most have never driven an automatic (I had one 10 years ago... A Smart car!).

Going on the dodgems is cheating. One pedal? Fraud!
The Despicable Nyan Cat 9:49 PM - 8 June, 2014
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Do people call automatic shift cars cheating as opposed to manual shift cars?
AKIEM 9:59 PM - 8 June, 2014
I've never heard anyone call driving an automatic "cheating".
DJ Demolition 10:39 PM - 8 June, 2014
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I've never heard anyone call driving an automatic "cheating".


Actually, there is that sentiment among drag racing purists, etc... And if you attend the nostalgia drag races, you'll have to admit that the old 4 speed gasser cars are more exiting to watch, and require more skill of the driver. Accordingly, the good drivers get a lot of respect.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 10:52 PM - 8 June, 2014
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anyone post any creative sync use in here?
(or just the same bs)

Another good spot to use sync, is when you have one track blending into another while changing the tempo. You only move one of the sliders and both tracks stay in time. This helps especially when you change between genres with different tempos.
Mr Wilks 11:11 PM - 8 June, 2014
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anyone post any creative sync use in here?
(or just the same bs)

Another good spot to use sync, is when you have one track blending into another while changing the tempo. You only move one of the sliders and both tracks stay in time. This helps especially when you change between genres with different tempos.


This is my use of sync.
Mr Wilks 11:12 PM - 8 June, 2014
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Do people call automatic shift cars cheating as opposed to manual shift cars?

I learned a manual like the majority of people here and find anyone who has a car that automatically changes gear for them just at the right time a cheat that requires less skills and makes a mockery of the graft put in to earn my manual shift licence.

Lewis Hamilton is a fraud in that F1 car! Also, many US drivers have never driven a manual car. In the UK it's the opposite way around as most have never driven an automatic (I had one 10 years ago... A Smart car!).

Going on the dodgems is cheating. One pedal? Fraud!


This was tongue-in-cheek as I'm all for sync :)
DJ Demolition 11:22 PM - 8 June, 2014
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anyone post any creative sync use in here?
(or just the same bs)

Another good spot to use sync, is when you have one track blending into another while changing the tempo. You only move one of the sliders and both tracks stay in time. This helps especially when you change between genres with different tempos.


This is true. I also use it when I want to start a track at full volume over another that is playing. Some drum tracks are pretty forgiving, however others are not. On some, if your start is off by a millisecond either way, it will be plainly audible. Sync is cheap insurance against this potential embarrassment.
AKIEM 2:47 AM - 9 June, 2014
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I've never heard anyone call driving an automatic "cheating".


Actually, there is that sentiment among drag racing purists, etc... And if you attend the nostalgia drag races, you'll have to admit that the old 4 speed gasser cars are more exiting to watch, and require more skill of the driver. Accordingly, the good drivers get a lot of respect.



Absolutely!

When it comes to DJs wanting sync, Im reminded of mini vans with soccer moms yapping on cell phones. thank god for the automatic.
AKIEM 2:52 AM - 9 June, 2014
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anyone post any creative sync use in here?
(or just the same bs)

Another good spot to use sync, is when you have one track blending into another while changing the tempo. You only move one of the sliders and both tracks stay in time. This helps especially when you change between genres with different tempos.


interesting
LisaR3nee 5:41 PM - 14 July, 2014
Djing is about creating an experience for your audience. There is an endless combination of ways to achieve that result, and the way you go about it is entirely up to you. There is no right or wrong.
AKIEM 4:08 AM - 15 July, 2014
The key there is YOU are supposed to be the one creating the expirience. Sync is the computer doing something instead of you. It might not be all that much, but the more tasks the computer takes over the closer you re to not doing anything at all.
DJ RoachC 1:08 AM - 16 July, 2014
I am with Lisa. I have started with Vinyl in 1983. As Technology evolved so have I. People now use there eyes to sync by matching the waveforms, those same people uses a computer to tell them the BPMs so they can sync the waveforms. What is the difference.. The art is entertaining the crowd. It doesn't matter how you do it. When you use the sync button, you are the one creating the experience. If your sync is wrong on you are not in the correct phrase, your experience would be different from a DJ who is always in the correct phrase. Beat Matching (syncing music) is just a small part of DJing now. Get out of the stone age and stop hating.
AKIEM 1:18 AM - 16 July, 2014
Any time someone brings up the stone age it makes me laugh.

Sync is not "new technogy". Its just lazy or a crutch for beginners.

If the computer is doing something for you, it is doing something for you.

Eventually lazy/instant DJs will get everything they desire - no skill required.
DJ Demolition 11:22 PM - 20 July, 2014
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Eventually lazy/instant DJs will get everything they desire - no skill required.


Oh, I don't know about that... At the rate things are going now (at Serato).., maybe in another 100 years.
AKIEM 6:15 AM - 21 July, 2014
At this rate we will still be using SSL (jk) :)
d:raf 4:48 AM - 23 July, 2014
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Eventually lazy/instant DJs will get everything they desire - no skill required.


You mean a Radio Consultant?
d:raf 4:49 AM - 23 July, 2014
Forgot the link... Watchwww.youtube.com
AKIEM 4:51 AM - 23 July, 2014
lol
Rob V 1:08 AM - 28 July, 2014
I'm gonna say this one more time and I'm done.ALL the sync button does is get you to the correct BPM faster.if you wanna be mad, be mad at digital pitch.Back in the early 80's when I started,there was no digital pitch.And that means there was no 84.2 or 95.6.Your BPM was 84 or 95.The sync button is not a crutch it's a tool.When you slide your pitch fader to your desired BPM to beat match you're matching it with the song that's playing.When you use the sync button it matches your BPM with the song you're playing.THE SYNC BUTTON JUST GETS YOU THERE FASTER! If you wanna be mad at something,be mad at the fader curve.Now ANYONE can scratch super fast!lol Can we please let this go now???...
AKIEM 1:58 AM - 28 July, 2014
Pretty sure its doing the matching for you aka you don't have to. But yeah, no need to be mad at a button, any of them, buttons, faders, switches, knobs, none of that.
DJ Demolition 2:29 AM - 28 July, 2014
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[...] no one ever mentions setting cue points. Dj's that spin on vinyl/1200's and use scratch live, they have cue points set on the laptops. I couldn't live without using my programmed cue points, as well as auto loop. I never hear people say you shouldn't use auto loop or set cue points. It's an oxymoron.


**Excellent** point.
AKIEM 3:21 AM - 28 July, 2014
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[...] no one ever mentions setting cue points. Dj's that spin on vinyl/1200's and use scratch live, they have cue points set on the laptops. I couldn't live without using my programmed cue points, as well as auto loop. I never hear people say you shouldn't use auto loop or set cue points. It's an oxymoron.


**Excellent** point.


Not too many people (if any) are claiming no technology further than analog vinyl should be used. I doubt them dudes are on this forum or even have computers.....

The argument is not anti-technology or anti-features.

The argument is against the computer performing a function close to automation.
DJ Demolition 4:31 AM - 28 July, 2014
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The argument is not anti-technology or anti-features.

The argument is against the computer performing a function close to automation.


Well, I don't know so much about that blanket statement being totally correct... From my experience, it seems to depend upon who you are talking to.

Actually, there's no point in arguing about it at all... It's here, and it's here to stay. It really doesn't matter what you and I think or approve of, as all the arguing in the world will not make it go away, and almost (if not) all the upcoming DJs ("real", or otherwise) will be using it once it is perfected.

BTW-> did you know that Virtual DJ (as the name suggests) was originally created as just that: ...an automated club DJ, designed to replace you and I?
AKIEM 5:21 AM - 28 July, 2014
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The argument is not anti-technology or anti-features.

The argument is against the computer performing a function close to automation.


Well, I don't know so much about that blanket statement being totally correct... From my experience, it seems to depend upon who you are talking to.

Actually, there's no point in arguing about it at all... It's here, and it's here to stay. It really doesn't matter what you and I think or approve of, as all the arguing in the world will not make it go away, and almost (if not) all the upcoming DJs ("real", or otherwise) will be using it once it is perfected.

BTW-> did you know that Virtual DJ (as the name suggests) was originally created as just that: ...an automated club DJ, designed to replace you and I?


Yeah.

Just stating opinion about a feature. Probably nothing could have stopped it - like nothing will stop wtlrking full automation - just a matter of time
DJ Demolition 2:41 AM - 29 July, 2014
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Probably nothing could have stopped it - like nothing will stop wtlrking full automation - just a matter of time


The way I see it, the DJ can't be replaced that easily. People said records and video would replace live acts, and that was about as wrong as it could be. Partiers like to see someone up there in the booth, working hard to entertain them. Only a skilled live DJ, came maintain that high level of excitement in the room.

The way in which something is presented is sometimes even more important than the *thing* itself... That's the main reason I use my big heavy V7s and Stanton SCS-1Ds, versus a small static controller like Twitch, to perform. They're not a real turntables, but they look close, especially the Stantons. People are conditioned to think of DJs as working with records and T-tables, and those controllers fit the bill. They are impressed by the equipment almost as much as the music. Some things are just classic and can't easily be replaced.

For example, bars have been set up with automated bartenders and cheaper drinks, but over time, have not proved to be as popular as the real thing. I don't think we have all that much to worry about from the technology or it's side effects. All the upcoming DJs are going to embrace it and use it to push their game a little higher than before. I am just adopting preemptively. Why wait on them to get better than me, and then have to play catch-up..? Now if Serato would only act responsibly and carry their end...
AKIEM 3:00 AM - 29 July, 2014
I'm not worried about - but I don't think its a good thing either. Yes people always appreciate seeing a human perform. Then there are other people who really don't care and can be fooled by a pre-made mix. And are happy with a light show and some type of setup concieling all the equipment.

I happen to the there will be some really futuristic type things the computer will do that humans just can't - matter of time.
DJ Demolition 3:31 AM - 29 July, 2014
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I happen to the there will be some really futuristic type things the computer will do that humans just can't - matter of time.


Hmm.., might be interesting to see that... I don't know.

Well, I don't believe it's going to happen tomorrow, anyway. And by the time it does, ...if..., it does, I should be old enough by then, that at least I for one, will already be out of the business.

Personally, I'm more concerned about people just getting so burned out on music that they don't care that much about hearing it anymore. I've already been noticing some signs of that. Music is available to everyone, anytime they want, and it's free, or dirt cheap. Most people already have a decent stereo at home or in their car, also. So, your big sound system isn't the drawing card it used to be, either. It's getting harder and harder to surprise a crowd with something new and exciting.
AKIEM 4:02 AM - 29 July, 2014
^ yeah, been thinking kinda same thing.

And that's why I'm not worried about anything, I will be done before then too. Lol
DJ Demolition 11:15 PM - 3 August, 2014
More discussion/opinion on "sync", for anyone who's interested: Watchwww.youtube.com
Rob V 5:13 AM - 4 August, 2014
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Pretty sure its doing the matching for you aka you don't have to. But yeah, no need to be mad at a button, any of them, buttons, faders, switches, knobs, none of that.


Yes it may be doing the matching for you but here's my point:you're playing a track that's 92.3 and you want to mix in a track that's 94.0.You have 2 choices:you can hit the sync button or you can manually slide your fader from 94.0 to 92.3.The sync button just gets you there FASTER.I don't see how people don't understand this??? no one is acknowledging the fact that all it does is get you there faster…smdh
AKIEM 5:25 AM - 4 August, 2014
That's 100% understood by everyone. I think what you are missing (even tho its a small thing) the computer is doing work FOR YOU.

When you add up lots of small things the computer is DOING FOR YOU what's left?
Rob V 6:10 AM - 4 August, 2014
And digital pitch is doing work FOR YOU.but that's not a issue?? when I started there was no digital pitch.you did everything by ear and when digital pitch came out no one complained.Sync should not be a issue but then again,everything has it's haters….and what's left?? well…knowing what to play,when to play it,how long to play it,what tracks go well together,how to entertain your crowd,how to troubleshoot problems.there is plenty to do.These controllers and software was made by DJ's for DJ's.Sync is a very useful tool.it does not make you a successful DJ.
Rob V 6:14 AM - 4 August, 2014
So I guess folks will be mad at this next….
serato.com
DJ Demolition 1:02 PM - 4 August, 2014
Not to worry... It's for SDJ, so they for sure won't have all the bugs out of it for at least a couple of years. We can still do it the old-fashioned way though... Remix your tracks in an editing program.
AKIEM 4:05 PM - 4 August, 2014
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And digital pitch is doing work FOR YOU.but that's not a issue?? when I started there was no digital pitch.you did everything by ear and when digital pitch came out no one complained.Sync should not be a issue but then again,everything has it's haters….and what's left?? well…knowing what to play,when to play it,how long to play it,what tracks go well together,how to entertain your crowd,how to troubleshoot problems.there is plenty to do.These controllers and software was made by DJ's for DJ's.Sync is a very useful tool.it does not make you a successful DJ.


I dont know what work digital pitch is doing for you - because that would be pretty impossible on the fly. Again no one is against advancing technology.

So when algorithms are developed which know what to play, when to play it, how long to play it, what tracks go well together, have an infinite library, can read a crowd, which learn from vast amounts of patron data and feedback then what will you say?

If its so easy to beatmatch, then its really only a useful tool for people who cant.
AKIEM 4:08 PM - 4 August, 2014
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So I guess folks will be mad at this next….
serato.com


I doubt anyone will be "mad" at it unless it "auto-mixes" which Ive seen some people mistake it for doing.

Ive suggested all these features myself. And I look at it as a "realer" way of editing - on the fly.

Again - people who are against sync are not against new features or "advancing technology"
Rob V 11:29 PM - 4 August, 2014
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And digital pitch is doing work FOR YOU.but that's not a issue?? when I started there was no digital pitch.you did everything by ear and when digital pitch came out no one complained.Sync should not be a issue but then again,everything has it's haters….and what's left?? well…knowing what to play,when to play it,how long to play it,what tracks go well together,how to entertain your crowd,how to troubleshoot problems.there is plenty to do.These controllers and software was made by DJ's for DJ's.Sync is a very useful tool.it does not make you a successful DJ.


I dont know what work digital pitch is doing for you - because that would be pretty impossible on the fly. Again no one is against advancing technology.

So when algorithms are developed which know what to play, when to play it, how long to play it, what tracks go well together, have an infinite library, can read a crowd, which learn from vast amounts of patron data and feedback then what will you say?

If its so easy to beatmatch, then its really only a useful tool for people who cant.[/quo

Do you even remember DJing before digital pitch?I've been spinning for 34 yrs now and it was much harder.And how is moving you pitch fader on the fly pretty impossible??makes no sense to me .and Algorithims will never be able to read a crowd from data and feedback.Crowds tend to vary from night to night.and I can beat match with or without digital pitch AND I don't use the sync button.
Mr Wilks 11:36 PM - 4 August, 2014
I can't believe I'm still tracking this...
d:raf 12:23 AM - 5 August, 2014
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I can't believe I'm still tracking this...


Watching this argument drag on into infinity is one of life's simple pleasures.
AKIEM 2:19 AM - 5 August, 2014
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I can't believe I'm still tracking this...


Watching this argument drag on into infinity is one of life's simple pleasures.


Lol.
AKIEM 2:21 AM - 5 August, 2014
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And digital pitch is doing work FOR YOU.but that's not a issue?? when I started there was no digital pitch.you did everything by ear and when digital pitch came out no one complained.Sync should not be a issue but then again,everything has it's haters….and what's left?? well…knowing what to play,when to play it,how long to play it,what tracks go well together,how to entertain your crowd,how to troubleshoot problems.there is plenty to do.These controllers and software was made by DJ's for DJ's.Sync is a very useful tool.it does not make you a successful DJ.


I dont know what work digital pitch is doing for you - because that would be pretty impossible on the fly. Again no one is against advancing technology.

So when algorithms are developed which know what to play, when to play it, how long to play it, what tracks go well together, have an infinite library, can read a crowd, which learn from vast amounts of patron data and feedback then what will you say?

If its so easy to beatmatch, then its really only a useful tool for people who cant.[/quo

Do you even remember DJing before digital pitch?I've been spinning for 34 yrs now and it was much harder.And how is moving you pitch fader on the fly pretty impossible??makes no sense to me .and Algorithims will never be able to read a crowd from data and feedback.Crowds tend to vary from night to night.and I can beat match with or without digital pitch AND I don't use the sync button.



I'm not following you here. What are you saying?
Rob V 2:38 AM - 5 August, 2014
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And digital pitch is doing work FOR YOU.but that's not a issue?? when I started there was no digital pitch.you did everything by ear and when digital pitch came out no one complained.Sync should not be a issue but then again,everything has it's haters….and what's left?? well…knowing what to play,when to play it,how long to play it,what tracks go well together,how to entertain your crowd,how to troubleshoot problems.there is plenty to do.These controllers and software was made by DJ's for DJ's.Sync is a very useful tool.it does not make you a successful DJ.


I dont know what work digital pitch is doing for you - because that would be pretty impossible on the fly. Again no one is against advancing technology.

So when algorithms are developed which know what to play, when to play it, how long to play it, what tracks go well together, have an infinite library, can read a crowd, which learn from vast amounts of patron data and feedback then what will you say?

If its so easy to beatmatch, then its really only a useful tool for people who cant.[/quo

Do you even remember DJing before digital pitch?I've been spinning for 34 yrs now and it was much harder.And how is moving you pitch fader on the fly pretty impossible??makes no sense to me .and Algorithims will never be able to read a crowd from data and feedback.Crowds tend to vary from night to night.and I can beat match with or without digital pitch AND I don't use the sync button.



I'm not following you here. What are you saying?

Nothing at all homie.This convo is going nowhere.Good luck on all your future endeavors & keep spinning….
DJ Demolition 3:21 AM - 5 August, 2014
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I track it, because this forum is so dead, that it's the only thread going right now. Plus, I like to hear all the different reasons why people *say* they hate 'sync'.

What *really* bothers them, though most aren't actually saying so, is the fact that it allows a lot of newbie wannabe DJs to basically just 'hit the ground running', without actually "paying their dues".

They can buy a cheap controller (with sync), watch the plethora of tutorials on YouTube for free, and get their music for free off of YouTube also. BAM!, they're a DJ! That glut of new DJs cuts into our profit margin, because price drops, due to supply and demand. And as Blowfly would say; "that *isn't* a big 10-4"...
AKIEM 5:58 AM - 5 August, 2014
^ i agree. I liked when Serato seemed to focus on proffesonal products like Rane still does. Guess that's not their plan, and that's fine, they want to sale shit.... The problem is by lowering and lower the entry bar it weakens the proffesion. Maybe its nice to sale crap to anyone with a little cash, a bunch of files, and a 'hey I can do that moment'.... Eh
blackavenger 7:15 AM - 5 August, 2014
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Watching this argument drag on into infinity is one of life's simple pleasures.


Lol.

Agreed.
DJ Demolition 1:58 AM - 6 August, 2014
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I liked when Serato seemed to focus on proffesonal products like Rane still does. Guess that's not their plan, [...] they want to sale shit....


Yeah, now you've hit the nail on the head. That's exactly what they're selling these days. And what bozo do you suppose they hired to come up with these product names, anyway..? "Scratch, Itch, Flip"... What's next... "Flop"? LOL! None of those sound professional to me.

I like how they can't seem to find the time to fix something as simple and vitally important as the non-functional instant start feature in SDJ, for Numark's high-end controllers including the new NS7-II. Yet they apparently have lots of time to sit around and develop ad-ons like this. Lots of money to hype all this new stuff too... Guess they're hoping we'll take the bait and fork over more money. Judging from the general flavor of the ads they produce, I think they are aiming their main thrust squarely at the wannabes, because apparently that's where they think the money's at.

It'd be nice to find a company that (like Rane) wanted to cater to professionals. Sadly however, no such software developer exists.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 11:29 PM - 28 August, 2014
My view on this situation is this...
If Serato had song's BPMs set, but not beat-grids, some other piece of software would implement beat-grids, and perhaps no mattar how crappy the rest of the software was, beginners would still want to buy it just for beat sync. That's it. If any one piece of software is easier to use, it will sell moar than the competition among beginners. (It was the same when the first piece of software implemented BPMs) I personally don't have that much of a problem with sync (even though I don't use it), because weather you do or don't use sync is only about 10% of the whole picture every transition. I've listed all the things that you have to do during every single transition:

1. Figure out the next song to play
2. Start the next track at the correct time (not just on any random beat)
3. Cut out the bass on the new track and fade it in in the right way (not to quickly)
4. Exchange the basses at the right time
5. Fade out the first track correctly

Thar you go. 5 things that computers can't do for us yet. And beat-matching/syncing is something extra that you have to do. Beat-matching is imho the easiest part (except for cutting out the bass perhaps).



But that's just my 2 cents.
DJ RoachC 11:41 PM - 28 August, 2014
I am not sure why DJs are so hung up on the sync button. The bottom line use the sync if you like and if not do not use it. But to say that you are not a DJ if you use the sync lacks merits. Tell 3-times DJ World Champion DJ Craze. He tells you he uses the sync. The people that saying you are not a DJ if you use the sync, how many DJ World Championships have you won.
AKIEM 11:44 PM - 28 August, 2014
A single Software might not be able to all 5 right now. But computers could do that right now.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 11:44 PM - 28 August, 2014
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A single Software might not be able to all 5 right now. But computers could do that right now.

But for every possible situation?
AKIEM 11:47 PM - 28 August, 2014
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A single Software might not be able to all 5 right now. But computers could do that right now.

But for every possible situation?


What DJ can?
The Despicable Nyan Cat 11:49 PM - 28 August, 2014
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What DJ can?

DJ Cotts
The Despicable Nyan Cat 11:58 PM - 28 August, 2014
No response? Alright than.....
But check him out on Youtube he is coooooool, and he is my idol.
DJ Demolition 4:34 AM - 29 August, 2014
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1. Figure out the next song to play
2. Start the next track at the correct time (not just on any random beat)
3. Cut out the bass on the new track and fade it in in the right way (not to quickly)
4. Exchange the basses at the right time
5. Fade out the first track correctly


Try inserting one of your playlists into Virtual DJ, and set it to auto-mix. It won't get every mix right, but some of them will sound so good, on occasion, you'll actually learn better mixing techniques from the software.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 8:54 AM - 29 August, 2014
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Try inserting one of your playlists into Virtual DJ, and set it to auto-mix. It won't get every mix right, but some of them will sound so good, on occasion, you'll actually learn better mixing techniques from the software.

Hhm that sounds interesting. But I don't have VDJ, sera to is fine for me.
DjSyndic8 7:53 PM - 29 August, 2014
ok guys what about If "Sync" was not in DJ software's, Do you think there would be a huge increase in DJ's these days, compared to the days where you had to have a vinyl or cd collection to become a DJ? and you actually had to acquire beat mixing skills.
AKIEM 12:56 AM - 30 August, 2014
Sure, there would be many less instant DJs if buying vinyl was required v. dubbing a drive. I guess.
DJ Demolition 2:43 AM - 30 August, 2014
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Sure, there would be many less instant DJs if buying vinyl was required v. dubbing a drive. I guess.


Right... That's it.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 9:59 PM - 30 August, 2014
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ok guys what about If "Sync" was not in DJ software's, Do you think there would be a huge increase in DJ's these days, compared to the days where you had to have a vinyl or cd collection to become a DJ? and you actually had to acquire beat mixing skills.

Yes bc people could download music online for cheaper prices!
DjSyndic8 10:30 PM - 30 August, 2014
the downside of having too many DJ's is it drives the value of DJ's down I'm not talking about your Tiestos or David Guetta's I'm talking about your local Dj thats trying to make a living, I remembered earning $100 to $120 an Hour for Private and Club gigs now every ones a DJ, you'd be lucky if you can get $50 or $60 an hour, also club managers are not interested in what skills you have their more interested about the cost of a DJ,
The Despicable Nyan Cat 11:28 PM - 30 August, 2014
...and wo' is my solution? Become a DJ that produces music along with the David Guettas and Tiestos!
DJ Demolition 12:34 AM - 31 August, 2014
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DJ Cotts


I take it you're pretty young.

Looks like your boy is running Traktor, not Serato. He has a very nice kit, but not the best DJ I've ever seen (heard). He *is* pretty good, but around here you're not going to get anyone over eighteen to dance to 160 bpm, unless they're on meth. A lot of his transitions are a little harsh to my ear. Not out of time, just musically incompatible. I do like his track choices overall though, ...well, for 150+ bpm hardcore, anyway.
blackavenger 2:36 AM - 31 August, 2014
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but around here you're not going to get anyone over eighteen to dance to 160 bpm, unless they're on meth.

While that is certainly funny, and got a chuckle outta' me, I can't help but wonder what you're going on about? Drum n' Bass is 170+ bpm. You should have clarified that no one over 18 is going to listen to any 4/4 faster than 160 bpm. That would have made more sense.
DJ Demolition 3:08 AM - 31 August, 2014
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I can't help but wonder what you're going on about? Drum n' Bass is 170+ bpm. You should have clarified that no one over 18 is going to listen to any 4/4 faster than 160 bpm. That would have made more sense.


Sorry, please accept my apologies. I assumed that anyone reading my words here would be another experienced DJ, and therefore familiar enough with the subject to understand without need of further technical details. Regardless, I see you did figure it out. So we're good, right?
blackavenger 3:17 AM - 31 August, 2014
Of course. I was just making sure that's what you meant.
DJ Demolition 3:21 AM - 31 August, 2014
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Of course. I was just making sure that's what you meant.



Yeah, the guy is into hardcore techno, pretty much exclusively.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 7:34 AM - 31 August, 2014
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but around here you're not going to get anyone over eighteen to dance to 160 bpm

first, it's not 160 it's 180; but that's why im the DJ. 😉