pleaaaase 2

Yep.

haha good keep this going... lol

the more people that add their 2 cents can really make a difference

would be most handy, indeed!

*co sign*

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Please make the 57 the be and end all for mixtapes. Thank you.

wow this is actually working... lets go ima bump this like 100000000 times just so a staff member see this...

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ufck video , multitrack-recording first!

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I'm with stupid lol

2nd that motion.

now we need to drag sam or someone in here lol....

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hahha... dont worry about the bumps... it should be bumped by everyone on the board... i dont care if u own a 57 or not...

great idea. lets go rane this will cut out so much gear in the lab for mixtapes.

slow your roll there...

but yes +1

oh not just the gear... the TIME

plz plz plz!! :)

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damit...this thread wasnt on top

-1 Video first. Any old PC with your SL1 can multitrack record. If you're not going to record a live 1 shot mix, then might as well just make the whole project in Acid, Logic, ProTools, Audition, etc. You don't need turntables to make a multitrack mix.

Been waiting for this since the day I got a 57 out of batch 1 over a year ago, and discovered it didn't exist as was expected. And what about the EFX and pitch n time!?!?

But I still have to say, Rane/Serato are amazing. Start reading through the feature suggestion thread, and see how many things on there they handled in a very timely manner. Multitracking, PnT and EFX are the only really major ones that still need love. Things like sticker drift, subcrates, loops, etc. We have and most likely already take for granted.

The 57 is already 'the end all for mixtapes' C'mon!

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thx

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wow i feel soooo smart right now lmao

this is an answer the 58
scratchlive.net

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time for another

I'm wondering if this issue could be included with another in the same vein. seems like for mixing, I can't get a crossfader curve that I really like. Its as if the 57 was made with just scratching in mind. the ability to have a more mix freindly crossfader curve would be a nice add as well.

we are talking about recording 2 seperated stereo channels while usin scratchlive with the 57.

yep!

for sure

again i feel sooooo smart for starting this... rane read this alreayd LOL

already***

no one likes?

It hasn't been long since the 57 was released. I'd still like some more support and years of abuse with this mixer before buying a new one... Good idea though

tru of course,
not ready to buy a new one ether
mater of fact my 56 wasnt ready to be retired

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so deep thought was wrong?

42 no
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it is 58

lol

so actualy we have the answer. duck and cover there might be vogons around.

that reminds me, I need to go sanitize my phone

+1!

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let's just leap frog to the real features

i want to record multitrack video!!!!

+1

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hopefully the wait will be over with the 1.8 update.

...hmmmm....just picked up an SL1 for a gig this weekend and I'm starting to wonder...if I start Cubase with the TTM57 on and the ASIO port is locked in, can I then start SSL using the SL1 and use the TTM57 simply as an ASIO sound card, and the SL1 as the SSL source?

u got my two cents......wait i need those back till I can make that mixtape the way I thought I was going to when I got MY BAD*ss mixer...

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wonder if anyone has noticed this thread yet?

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I am with Smooth...your product is the best thing that has happened for any real dj. So help us out with our lil request of multitracking.

now that i think about it, that feature would be awesome. I was makin a mixtape today, i kept making tiny mistakes, and overall, on tape...mistakes are super noticable.

Multitracking would put the nail in the coffin of everymixer on the planet.

I wonder if thats even possible. sounds like it would use an awful lot of ram or "whatever" lol

@Panic City: it's been said in the forum by a RANE employee (shoot, i can't recall the name right now) that the mixer is capable just the software needs to be updated.

right on ABM.

Lets get this done then! BUMP!

yeah lets gooooo.....

What's a mixtape?

What's multi-track recording from within SSL? :-)

A mixtape is just a recording of a mix...."tape" because it was made when we used to record shit on casettes. loads of fun.

Thank god multitracking is coming to the 57. huh rane? :)

lol... i guess me posting this thread in the Help sections worked... ;)

What is multitracking?? is that the crazy impossible blend i always hear on mix cd's that i cant duplicate unless i had three decks?? The one where deck one has a accapella and deck two has an instrumental and deck two scratches in another instrumental before deck one has finished the accapella? I could be totally off on this :)

not totally off. you can do that with multitrackin however. have u seen someone recording music using different layers? thats it

Oh so like using ableton and acid pro, that kind of stuff??

Exact.

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I've been able to accomplish the MIXTAPE dream only with the addition of the breakout box along side the 57SL. I basically would plug the 57SL to a seperate machine running Cubase. That machine is able to track channel 1 and 2 seperately. Then I'd plug in the laptop with Serato into the breakout box and wire it up to the 57 via regular RCA outs. At the moment due to a USB Bandwidth issue, you cannot record 2 stereo channels and run scratch live on the same USB cable, so my setup above seemed the only way to accomplish this.

Today Im working on another mixtape but wont need both channels tracked seperately so Im going to experiment with cubase on the same laptop as Serato and see if I can track one turntable at a time. The problem is, the ASIO driver is fussy. My laptop now doesn't see the 57 as it should, they are just showing up as USB audio under device manager.
Im running XP home, and today Im trying the beta 1.7.4. Sound quality is definately much better by the wat, especially the TIME STRETCH. WOW, all the up and down the pitch range I dont hear almost any artifacts when using the KEY feature.

The 57 ASIO drivers are unfinished at best. I have issues with them keeping the sync on the PC, which makes them completely useless for me. On the Mac it is a little bit better, but then we dont have a way how to tell the coraAudio drivers which channel is pre/post/mix/aux a.k.a no source routing. Wack. However, Cubase on it works okay.

What is really bad is... right now this is far away from a DJ's mixtape dream. Faaar. We can't record via the TTM57 while we use SSL. So right now, I have to go the same sucky route as Naydee... via two computers. One is running the SL1, the other is recording the TTM57SL audio.

@naydee and @nik39 - good info guys. thanks.

Spot on mates

hm, the recording on my macbook from the 57 works perfect?

Are you saying:

It works perfect.

Or:

It works perfect?

ah when are we able to multitrack???

Rane--

probably some time after 1.7.4 gets released?

here's hoping for an early X-Mas gift.

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go away

Wow.. Were's the love LOL?

ask Blacked Eyed Peas

*black LOL

lol. good one bruh.. But seriously.. Multitrack would make this mixer and program pretty elite. Don't get me wrong it's nice already, but with multitrack it would be off the chain.

if the demand for mixtapes died then i could stop waiting. prior to the mixer launching over a year ago, there was this expectation that we could do this. i hope serato gets the 1.7.4 issues sorted and can get back to developing new features. Godspeed to our Serato team.

with a period. :)

bump for multitracking!

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triple bump for the multitracking..

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bump - from split cue fan number three thousand and eighty.

bump!

I have no problem recording with my 57sl and ssl running....

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Do ya'll want 57 to Promote for your weekly too?

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Can we expect to have the multitrack drivers anytime soon?

well yes we can expect them...












...but will we ever get them?

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This would be an incredibly awesome addition to any update, its true.

i really hope they get a move on it and make diz happend!!!!

so do I

me 500

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homepage.mac.com

wow! nice LTIZZZLE

Credirs where its due, LTIZZLE didnt write it, it was Stuart Ramdeen, www2.scratchlive.net <- click.

woooord

I wasn't trying to take any credit. I just posted the link. I'm not a glory hound. Everyone should know that. Thanks for posting the link to the forum Nik.

I was not trying to imply that you were credit whoring :) Just wanted to make sure the credt got right.

too easy bro.

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any way to do this on PC?

Yes, on PC you have two options depending on what your multitrack tool supports. You can use ASIO or windows audio. You'll need a program that supports recording from two inputs at the same time or supports ASIO. I use Adobe Audition which used to be Cooledit pro. CoolEdit pro and Adobe Audition 1.x support windows sound and Audition 2.0 supports ASIO.

I'm not sure if there is a free package that supports recording from two inputs, I've checked Audacity but it doesn't seem to have this function.

I'm trying to follow the directions on that page, however I can't find the TTM 57sl Record Utility folder. Its not in my applications and i've searched my mac for it. Does anyone know where to find it?
Thanks

www.rane.com

Ok, i got it all working using regular vinyl. Tell me thats not all you can use it for? I don't have much vinyl. Can it not perform this function while using SSL tracks?

Nevermind, I saw the other thread.

On a seperate note, I see that "it's coming", however there were posts asking for it over a year ago. So at what point do they let us know when exactly its coming?
I don't know about anyone else, but a main selling point for this mixer to me was that video where the guy labeled it a mixtaper's dream with the multi-track recordings. How can you still advertise a video saying its included that was made a while ago, yet still hear no new news?

I use ableton frequently and am very dissapointed to find this out.

Although This mixer and Serato technology is amazing in general and i'm very satisfied, it irritates me to be fed false advdertising at the same time. It would be nice to get a response from someone from Rane to at least explain the situation.

true, that video was the final deciding factor that made me buy the 57. even though i do love it and love serato, i'm really quite bummed that feature's not been implemented yet.

the same goes for me

+1

my question exactly.

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To make it short: NO

common serato bring it on!

I need multitracking

I just got back from my alien abduction... no mutlitracking damn.....beam me up

Yap keep this thread alive!

Just imagine the Mutlitracking... reading info from your TTM57 faders and automatically putting the audio into Separate tracks linked to the fader settings...

Almost as good a mixer feature as Video...

no you didn't!

so when is SSL going to support dual cassette decks??

high speed dubbing.. auto reverse... auto-stop!

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let's talk about a third table input/output first!

i think we should be talking about the things that were advertised first, not the 'new thought processes'

i think those who bought it on the grounds that certain things would be implemented should come before those that bought it and then started thinking what would be a cool new feature.

+1

+2 keep it coming maybe they will get the hint

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+4 sort it out !

+5!!!

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I must say that if it could split the tracks up, I would spend the $1500 for one!!!

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+ infinity and beyond....ok maybe not that far but man....Rane you why dragging on this...Is it because it's not possible????

Yeah, I think this thread has been going for long enough to get some input from Rane.

Rane?

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ummm yeah

bump - 2 years is ridiculous

bump-skippadeeeee-doooo

aint no thang but a chicken wing... hook it up!

for reelz.

right now right now,

not later right now.

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i'm just gonna go ahead and bump this yet again

me too, again

+1

keep this thread alive

this is like no sex before marriage.

2 years and not even a status report? not even a heads up on progress?

and theres still people on here that swear this company has great customer service?

they should just admit they fucked up, fess up that it cant be done and give me my refund

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do it

multi track recording inside serato would be nuts.

This is really F'n sad. It's been almost a year since a MOD has said Jack in the Thread. I guess it's not going to happen this life time :-(

:-(

What's going on Rane? WE DEMAND A STATUS UPDATE

lol multitrack on a mixer. Just get a motu/rme/m-audio whatever.

You're late in here. Grab a seat, read wahat's on the menue and ask your neighbor before making funny remarks :)

Well, I do record and can't really get the point of this. It's not really a "mixtape" anymore if it's not made 100% live.

which isnt the point if even true...

Well, so what's the point then?

having full control over the audio even after the performance

too me, that would hardly keep it from being called a 'mixtape'

even if you want to apply some orthodoxy on the matter, I dont see why Rane would or should. there is a demand, and it was said to be implemented

plus there are plenty of other reasons a DJ might want multi-outs other then just doctoring mixtapes. for example I would like to use it for song production. mixdown on A, scratch on B, and line it up after I get the performance right. -that doesnt break any rules right?

the fact of the matter is, as consumers, we bought something under the grounds that a feature was going to be implemented. all the torret syndrome commenters telling us we 'should just get this' or 'we should just do that' does not change the fact that we have paid money for something to do what we want and we should not have to pay out MORE money to get this. we should get what we're ALREADY paid for, not have to look elsewhere for a solution.

the fact that they are ignoring this subject makes it 10 times worse in my opinion. if its not a big deal, and other updates are more important, then i'd like to know where i can get a refund. i'll go out and spend the money on a mixer i can use.

Yeah if it can't be done it can't be done, but let us know. One of the reasons I bought this was for this feature. I do recording for dj's and clean their mix up in logic or pro tools throw in effects and stuff. So when I first heard that this mixer would split the channels it was perfect for me. Pretty P off that Rane refuses to comment, Let us know Rane, I love my mixer but I was lied too. It's like going to the club and hooking up with a hot chick and then realizing she had the biggest wonderbra she could find on. Sure it's fun to play with but it's not the same!

It does this already.

Just not when using SSL with the mixer.

i think as a matter of honor rane should add it if they said it would be an upgrade.......
But i think any dj should check himself/herself before "frankensteining" thier mix....... practice it, and get that s@#t right, like a real dj...bitches

this argument belongs in another thread....
but there are half a billion people out there who dont buy mixtapes because of the DJs skill (if its even a dj). If its a demo of your skill or thats what people want the tape for, your skills, sure... but thats not the ONLY reason for mixtapes. and its not the only reason for this function, there are various other reasons... you want an editable work flow, use it as a production tool, who knows what, maybe you just want to add a song that just dropped without doing the whole mix over... there are 100 other reasons for this feature other then 'cheating' -recognize, its not a tool for cheating, and was never meant to be. SSL should ease back with this idea of cheating, or go back to vinyl and tape

Yes ancientyouth It's a tool to be used for production or whatever, even if dj's want to use it do doctor up their mixes big deal. This thread is a plead for the function. Anyways I don't know too many DJ's making a living selling mixtapes.

This thread is a pretty poor advertisment for Rane, ZERO input from them apart from a sarcastic comment on september 4th 2007...

WHAT A GWAN ?

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Hi guys,
Sorry about the absence from this thread - time for us to come and face the music.

When we first released the 57, we had dreams of being able to record PGM 1 and PGM 2 post fader, both at the same time. This would mean that you'd be able to record your set, and put each of the decks into a separate channel on your multitrack audio editor... which would be very very cool.

Unfortunately, it has become clear that we just don't have the bandwidth to pass that much audio back to the computer. We've tried various elaborate schemes to get this to work, but they are just not working. We have hit the limit of how much audio we can squeeze down the pipe, and we need a complete redesign in order to get this to work.

"We" in this case is Serato, not Rane. The problem is a combination of software and hardware, but the claims of multitrack recording came from Serato.

We are sincerely sorry that we are unable to deliver this feature.

Sam

Battlefunk, are you going to be at the BPM show this weekend? - www.serato.com

I'll be there, look me up if you are going.

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This sucks double time...

but nice to have some info finaly

Well my fellow SSL's at least we have our answer. Now Serato/Rane personally I think we deserve a little "sorry for the bad information". My suggestion is lock this thread and everyone who contributed should be given a set of white vinyl's....I'm not asking for the air force 1 or the white serato box, although maybe a coupon to get a backup ssl box for a really nice discount would be nice too since we already have a 57.

How about it guys, how about a little something to lick my wounds.

Sam - if Rane had chosen USB 2.0 would this alleviate the problem? Or is it deeper than that? Any hope with the Ableton/Serato partnership?

Sam - is this multitrack with SSL and Ableton? Watchhk.youtube.com

I feel sick! I appreciate the answer, finally after years of silence on the subject but it just feels like a slap in the face.
Anyway, i'm sure we'll get over it, especially if the "serableton" answers that need. Hopefully we wont have to wait for a ttm58. Either way, its a MAJOR dent in the trust rapport a lot of us had towards the brand, which until now was impeccable.

Anyway, in an attempt to find a solution and move on from this dark chapter, I have a question:
"is it possible to plug a SL1 into the 57, therefore using the analog outputs in order to achieve the multi-tracking. We wouldn't be able to use the 57 to control loops, cue points... but we could still use the effects right and obviously the straight mixer functions?"

Absolutely. And this is how I use multitracking.

cool thanks nik39. That's some sort of comfort.

sorry, but that is no comfort at all.

2 years to get an answer and the first one we get is to tell us all we've been ripped off. and the answers you come up with is 'oh well, at least we can buy another piece of gear to do a half assed job of what we wanted to do in the first place'

wonderful.

Sam, I'm still waiting for a reply to the PM.

nik, is there a thread or tutorial anywhere on how to set this up?

Also, I'm assuming that based on this theroy I can multitrack with a 57 and just vynal?

I tired setting up Cubase to with my 57 to have Post fader A on one channel and Post Fader B on the other but couldn't get it going, it just gave me the final mix output :(

Yes, kind of. Instead of vinyl I am using an SL1.


Use the Rane recording tool so setup ASIO1 to PGM1 postfader and ASIO2 to PGM2 postfader.

No tutorial yet. I started but was distracted... Sorry.

hmmm.. where can the 'Rane Recording tool' be found?

Not sure where to find it on Serato.com Someone needs to ask the mods.

Here you can find it on sl.net:
www.scratchlive.net

Good man!

thanks again nik :)

still waiting for a reply - i hope this wont be another 2 years i have to wait?

what was your question in your pm

record 8 streams of audio-just not at the same time-i think this is false advertising

Man, this was bad news but I respect your honest answer. Hopefully in an upcoming TTM57 USB 2.0 than.. (or 3.0 even). As someone said already: Would USB 2.0 or faster change this problem?

Wohooo, 2010. Ableton+Serato+Rane made this happen. The bridge is NOT over.
www.ableton.com

yeeeehaw:)

Try this link

www.serato.com

3 years later! yes!

im running the $100 live le version, any idea if it will work..cant see a download link to try?

Yeah I would like to know as well.....

afraid not.

when the bridge is made available (no eta yet) it will be free, but only if you have SL and Ableton Live 8 or Suite 8.

www.ableton.com

thats a shame...and seeing as they will prob both have to be running at the same time ill need to upgrade the lappy too
such is life

actually... i said afraid not, but i saw the bridge video.

looks like ableton doesnt need to be open, it saves an .als file directly, complete with automation.

you then open the als file, and it has all the tracks, the tempo shifts, fader movements (IF you use a 57 or 68).... etc.

this would suggest to me, there should be a way of opening it in live lite... so id say there probably is 'hope'.... at least to output the mix, even if not to see an ableton view in the sl window.

it'd been announced officially that it would only work with live or suite 8 and up