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Rane Announces Serato SL4

kryptonitednb 9:23 PM - 12 January, 2011
This was on TurnTable Lab. Legit?



"Boom.

Rane Corporation and Serato Audio Research Launch the Rane SL 4

Mukilteo, WA, USA – January 13, 2011 - Rane and Serato are pleased to present the Rane SL 4, a
revolutionary new five-channel DJ interface, designed for the discerning DJ.

The Rane SL 4 is the first standalone DJ interface with two high-speed USB 2.0 ports, for seamless
DJ changeover and back-to-back performances, as featured in the award winning Rane Sixty-Eight
mixer.

“The performance and flexibility of the new SL 4 once again raises the bar for DJ interfaces. We’re
excited about the creative possibilities now available with this new device” says Dean Standing, Rane
Sales Director.

“Serato Scratch Live is used by many of the world's top DJs, playing on incredible sound systems.
These DJs demand the best of the best from their equipment. Fortunately, Rane's engineers are
amongst the finest in the world, and when they were asked to design the best possible interface, they
certainly rose to the challenge” explains Sam Gribben, Serato General Manager.

DJs now have the freedom to perform with the mixer of their choice with four switchable phono/line
inputs allowing for simultaneous control of up to four decks with either one or two computers, and
a combination of turntable or CD control. An auxiliary input and output add the flexibility to record
sets and create more output options for the SP-6 Sample Player and The Bridge.

Superior sound is delivered by a 96 kHz sample rate and high quality 24-bit digital audio
processing, plus built-in galvanic isolation eliminates computer noise and interference, for
the purest audio signal available in a digital DJ system.

Teamed with low-latency ASIO and Core Audio drivers, the Rane SL 4 can also be used as a
high-grade studio production tool with multiple third party software applications.

All of this is in one powerful package, masterfully crafted by Rane.

The Rane SL 4 powered by Serato Scratch Live is the ultimate high-end solution for
professional DJs. Ships April, 2010. US MAP $899.00

Features:
• Supports four turntables or CD decks switchable in any combination.
• Two high-speed USB 2.0 ports for two DJs for uninterrupted performances.
• Aux Input for session recording or LiveFeed.
• Aux Output assignable to the SP-6 Sample Player and The Bridge.
• Four software-switchable analog Thru connections for regular vinyl or CD.
• 48 kHz and 96 kHz sample rate switch on the SL 4 rear.
• 10-in 10-out USB sound card with any software supporting ASIO or Core Audio.
• Bus power from either USB port or the included external power supply."
kryptonitednb 9:25 PM - 12 January, 2011
RogerRabbit 9:30 PM - 12 January, 2011
The announcement says January 13... it might be a fake... Where are the pics?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:30 PM - 12 January, 2011
..... a revolutionary new five-channel DJ interface!?!?!??!?!?!
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:31 PM - 12 January, 2011
The Rane SL 4 powered by Serato Scratch Live is the ultimate high-end solution for professional DJs. Ships April, 2010. US MAP $899.00!??!!??!?!?!??!?!
geeunot 9:31 PM - 12 January, 2011
Damn I'm hoping this is legit! I'm gonna be really let down if it isn't.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:31 PM - 12 January, 2011
The Rane SL 4 is the first standalone DJ interface with two high-speed USB 2.0 ports, for seamless DJ changeover and back-to-back performances, as featured in the award winning Rane Sixty-Eight mixer..?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:32 PM - 12 January, 2011
It could be since the announcment is tomarow
SiRocket 9:32 PM - 12 January, 2011
its legit.....
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:33 PM - 12 January, 2011
WOW, so if this is 5 channel for 899 that means the SL3 is about to be......?
slimmjimm 9:41 PM - 12 January, 2011
Kind of makes sense since speculation says that NI is dropping a 10 i/o card. I don'r need or want, but MAP price is decent.

I would really like a new midi mixer from Rane, sans interface. I hope this is not the only product, or just for the lulz.
nik39 9:41 PM - 12 January, 2011
Thats 5 channels per USB port.... wow... $899 sounds like a good price!
kryptonitednb 9:43 PM - 12 January, 2011
Yeah sorry that this is a double post. It actually should be in Fenik's "Breaking NAMM News" thread, but it really hasn't been broken officially.

I think TTL may have jumped the gun, but this is crazy.

Here's the real question . . . what 5 pieces of vinyl does it come with? Haha
DJ_Gr0wTesK 9:44 PM - 12 January, 2011
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Thats 5 channels per USB port.... wow... $899 sounds like a good price!


5 mono channels per port?
nik39 9:45 PM - 12 January, 2011
5 stereo channels.
DJ_Gr0wTesK 9:46 PM - 12 January, 2011
how do they both have access to the same channels?
SiRocket 9:47 PM - 12 January, 2011
4 pieces of vinyl.... 5 channels... one channel is for the aux out.... mixer/bridge... not for a 5th deck.
SiRocket 9:47 PM - 12 January, 2011
sampler ='s mixer.
skratchworx 9:50 PM - 12 January, 2011
What is it with retailers and not being able to keep it in their pants?
SiRocket 9:51 PM - 12 January, 2011
nik39 9:52 PM - 12 January, 2011
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What is it with retailers and not being able to keep it in their pants?

+1
babooza69 9:54 PM - 12 January, 2011
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What is it with retailers and not being able to keep it in their pants?

+1

+1
CMOS 9:54 PM - 12 January, 2011
Id be slapping people left and right at Namm if i was serato right now.
SiRocket 9:56 PM - 12 January, 2011
what makes me laugh is the face that the blog is called "estoy con estupido" lol
Billy18bm 9:57 PM - 12 January, 2011
im shitty i wanna see a new battle mixer
SiRocket 9:57 PM - 12 January, 2011
face ='s fact... damn iphone!
skratchworx 9:57 PM - 12 January, 2011
Dealers have been de-authorised for this kind of thing. The only upside is that it was hardly a surprise to anyone.

Rane did talk of products plural so perhaps this is the starter before the real meal deal comes tomorrow.
nik39 9:59 PM - 12 January, 2011
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Dealers have been de-authorised for this kind of thing.

What does this mean?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:59 PM - 12 January, 2011
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im shitty i wanna see a new battle mixer



I have a feeling youll see one, that USB in the 57 isnt gonna cut it anymore, especuially with the i processor issues
Hi-Tek 9:59 PM - 12 January, 2011
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Dealers have been de-authorised for this kind of thing. The only upside is that it was hardly a surprise to anyone.

Rane did talk of products plural so perhaps this is the starter before the real meal deal comes tomorrow.


Hope so...
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:00 PM - 12 January, 2011
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Dealers have been de-authorised for this kind of thing.

What does this mean?



i think it means some dealers are no longer authentic rane dealers LOL
jevo9 10:00 PM - 12 January, 2011
sooner or later someone was gonna spill the beans :)
DJ_Gr0wTesK 10:01 PM - 12 January, 2011
why dont they put beans in a more secure container if they're always spilling?
Hi-Tek 10:02 PM - 12 January, 2011
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sooner or later someone was gonna spill the beans :)


didn't happen last year, they must've used the same old container this year
jevo9 10:02 PM - 12 January, 2011
There has to be a new mixer with the SL4 or sl3 at least.
Hi-Tek 10:03 PM - 12 January, 2011
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There has to be a new mixer with the SL4 or sl3 at least.


YES THERE HAS TO! Lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:04 PM - 12 January, 2011
you know what else this means.....PRICE DROPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SiRocket 10:04 PM - 12 January, 2011
first one to send me some og white vinyl's gets the "meal deal" pictures on my hard drive.
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:04 PM - 12 January, 2011
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sooner or later someone was gonna spill the beans :)


didn't happen last year, they must've used the same old container this year



Nah think about it last year they announced the 68 and it wasnt leaked because it wasnt ready..odds are these things are sitting in stores in the back as we speak!!!!!!!
DJ_Gr0wTesK 10:05 PM - 12 January, 2011
right, make the SL3 550, the SL1 350
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:09 PM - 12 January, 2011
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you know what else this means.....PRICE DROPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

never happend to the sl-1 when the sl-3 came out infact the sl-1 went UP in price. Here in the UK anyway.
Evon 10:09 PM - 12 January, 2011
Nice, this is good news. Now we need a software update so we can autosynch all 4 decs and the sampleplayer.
nik39 10:10 PM - 12 January, 2011
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Nah think about it last year they announced the 68 and it wasnt leaked because it wasnt ready..odds are these things are sitting in stores in the back as we speak!!!!!!!

It says they will be available April 2011.
SiRocket 10:11 PM - 12 January, 2011
did anyone see the updated dicer press release with 2 aux knobs? #nomiss"
nik39 10:12 PM - 12 January, 2011
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did anyone see the updated dicer press release with 2 aux knobs? #nomiss"

What do you mean?
DJDeluchi 10:53 PM - 12 January, 2011
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did anyone see the updated dicer press release with 2 aux knobs? #nomiss"



new dicer you say? got a link mate wouldnt mind seeing i need to pick some up
Tunecrew 12:00 AM - 13 January, 2011
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did anyone see the updated dicer press release with 2 aux knobs? #nomiss"


link pls - i would cop those
Free Man 12:16 AM - 13 January, 2011
link for the dicer???
ta2423 12:39 AM - 13 January, 2011
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sooner or later someone was gonna spill the beans :)


didn't happen last year, they must've used the same old container this year



Nah think about it last year they announced the 68 and it wasnt leaked because it wasnt ready..odds are these things are sitting in stores in the back as we speak!!!!!!!

They are sitting in the backs of stores for over a month now.
DJ.ReFRESH 12:40 AM - 13 January, 2011
So...does this mean we can eventually expect a 57 update with dual USB ports?
RepublikGav 12:40 AM - 13 January, 2011
Confirmation? ow.ly
DJ_Gr0wTesK 12:45 AM - 13 January, 2011
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Confirmation? ow.ly


ow.ly

pic of the unit
djticonyc 2:40 AM - 13 January, 2011
every club needs to have that box as soon as it comes out
DJ BeatJerky 2:41 AM - 13 January, 2011
insane
SiRocket 3:10 AM - 13 January, 2011
exactly, screw mixers, this is economical for clubs.... everyone should have it!!!! because you could even use it with the 57 or other "built in mixers".... since there are so many idiots that don't know how to swap with a piece of wax and or cd... this would make my life easier
DJ Quartz 3:15 AM - 13 January, 2011
Wow wow wow!
DJDeluchi 3:55 AM - 13 January, 2011
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ow.ly

pic of the unit


Karl detken is a douche back for putting that on twitter and ruining namm i wanted a surprise
DJDeluchi 3:55 AM - 13 January, 2011
douche bag***
SiRocket 4:05 AM - 13 January, 2011
told you it was legit!
DJ Fez 4:14 AM - 13 January, 2011
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Karl detken is a douche back for putting that on twitter and ruining namm i wanted a surprise


From his twitter:
Bio: ProDJ & 18yr Pioneer employee:Planner/Designer/Marketer of all Pioneer gear✪ I tweet about Life-Tech-Music✪ I Follow Back & dont DM✪ BeBlessed Ps149:3 #F4F

wonder how long he keeps that job...
DJDeluchi 4:21 AM - 13 January, 2011
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wonder how long he keeps that job...


i really dont know but the guy is a dick he was obviously invited to the pre namm press day and he leaks this shit i wanted at least one suprise from namm this year the guy has blatantly abused his position of trust
SiRocket 4:40 AM - 13 January, 2011
sl4 was old news at 10am anyways!
Proto J 4:48 AM - 13 January, 2011
please don't tell me they did all this and didn't bother upgrading the master tempo/key lock algorithm?
RogerRabbit 5:01 AM - 13 January, 2011
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please don't tell me they did all this and didn't bother upgrading the master tempo/key lock algorithm?

Maybe they are going with the :real dj's don't use keylock bit...
blackavenger 6:11 AM - 13 January, 2011
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Dealers have been de-authorised for this kind of thing. The only upside is that it was hardly a surprise to anyone.

Rane did talk of products plural so perhaps this is the starter before the real meal deal comes tomorrow.


That's what I'm thinking.
blackavenger 6:13 AM - 13 January, 2011
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please don't tell me they did all this and didn't bother upgrading the master tempo/key lock algorithm?



Hahaha....I'm w' you Proto-J! Though, as always, I must reiterate.... FLAC support as well. Perhaps 2011 will be our year.
ProfBen 7:48 AM - 13 January, 2011
Karl Detken says he found the flyer on the floor, in which case it's legitimate news. Besides, it's only a few hours before Rane announces it anyway; they can use the leak to their advantage pretty easily.
DJDeluchi 8:46 AM - 13 January, 2011
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Karl Detken says he found the flyer on the floor, in which case it's legitimate news. Besides, it's only a few hours before Rane announces it anyway; they can use the leak to their advantage pretty easily.


sorry but he is still a dick for leaking it he is a so called professional and he knows the lengths companies go to to keep this shit quiet
SiRocket 8:49 AM - 13 January, 2011
he was probably pissed their pio controller was leaked... haha.
DJMark 8:57 AM - 13 January, 2011
Same Karl that used to (maybe still does) rule the Pioneer forums with an iron fist?

If it's the same guy, him leaking this goes way beyond irony....and hypocrisy.
skratchworx 9:01 AM - 13 January, 2011
It is the same Karl and he's retired now. He doesn't work for Pioneer anymore.
Manny C dot com 9:41 AM - 13 January, 2011
HERE'S A CLUE FOR THE CLUELESS PEOPLE:

Many of the so-called "leaks" in the technology industry (including DJ technology) are completely intentional and calculated moves. They are often part the marketing strategy to create "buzz" on the street about an upcoming product.
DJDeluchi 9:43 AM - 13 January, 2011
skratchworx why cant they take your approach you find stuff out and you keep it to yourself unless they want you to release it and i highly respect you for that
DJDeluchi 9:44 AM - 13 January, 2011
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HERE'S A CLUE FOR THE CLUELESS PEOPLE:

Many of the so-called "leaks" in the technology industry (including DJ technology) are completely intentional and calculated moves. They are often part the marketing strategy to create "buzz" on the street about an upcoming product.


i totally get that but his picture was a crappy poor quality pic taken on phones camera and was intentional
nik39 10:49 AM - 13 January, 2011
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wonder how long he keeps that job...


i really dont know but the guy is a dick he was obviously invited to the pre namm press day and he leaks this shit i wanted at least one suprise from namm this year the guy has blatantly abused his position of trust

It's not cool that someone from the industry leaks the information. He should know better.
DJMark 10:49 AM - 13 January, 2011
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It is the same Karl and he's retired now. He doesn't work for Pioneer anymore.


Would it be too mean of me to say "good riddance"?

And are the Pioneer forums any less ridiculous now? (as in, are simple, rational, to-the-point postings relating to Pioneer product bugs still deleted?).

I'm very well-aware of "calculated leaks", but that's never been Rane's M.O. and I agree that this doesn't look anything like one of them.
DJMark 10:55 AM - 13 January, 2011
Hard to believe it's been five years:

www.serato.com
nik39 11:15 AM - 13 January, 2011
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ow.ly

pic of the unit


Karl detken is a douche back for putting that on twitter and ruining namm i wanted a surprise



Wow, that guy really takes pride in leaking the information:

twitter.com
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I luv how people steal MY SL4 picture & don't give credit
DJDeluchi 12:43 PM - 13 January, 2011
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Wow, that guy really takes pride in leaking the information:

twitter.com
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I luv how people steal MY SL4 picture & don't give credit


hate is a really strong word but thats a word i would use for this waste of space i have unfollowed him since reading this
SiRocket 4:59 PM - 13 January, 2011
why was the rane catalog/ad flyers laying around namm.... that person that "lost it" should be the one in trouble.... if the jar is open the jar is open...
Dj BuddyLove 5:09 PM - 13 January, 2011
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ow.ly

pic of the unit


Karl detken is a douche back for putting that on twitter and ruining namm i wanted a surprise



Wow, that guy really takes pride in leaking the information:

twitter.com
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I luv how people steal MY SL4 picture & don't give credit

OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!


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DJ_Gr0wTesK 5:21 PM - 13 January, 2011
ok, i think yall are goin a little overboard.
Dj dOoOb_edstreme 5:25 PM - 13 January, 2011
It's time to get the Pioneer DJM-2000 mixer , 2 - CDJ-2000, 2 Technics M5G and then plug'em all to the new SL4.
snob dee-jays 6:28 PM - 13 January, 2011
its on the product page now.
blackavenger 6:31 PM - 13 January, 2011
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its on the product page now.


it's a tank, for sure!!
DJDeluchi 6:47 PM - 13 January, 2011
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OFF WITH HIS HEAD!!


post of the year goes to mr DJ BuddyLove :-)
charlee1985 6:57 PM - 13 January, 2011
wait wait a miin! since its using ASIO drivers, does it means we say goodbye to the intel i processors problems???
djjonboi_belfast 7:17 PM - 13 January, 2011
When is it released??
Hi-Tek 7:20 PM - 13 January, 2011
april
The Return of Dj Sparky 7:22 PM - 13 January, 2011
I don't see the sl4 selling well, the main target buyer would seem to be a club or bar or someone that needs 4 decks.

The dual usb feature is not needed for for me as when my set is done i'll be taking my sl3 with me, so the dual feature is only handy for permanent installs, my 2 cents
SiRocket 7:23 PM - 13 January, 2011
its time venue's upgraded the interface quality though.... so it will do fine...

also... i don't see a 19inch club mixer being something clubs want to get right now or sell well, but they did that instead of a 2 or 3 channel mixer update.... *wack
babooza69 7:25 PM - 13 January, 2011
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I don't see the sl4 selling well, the main target buyer would seem to be a club or bar or someone that needs 4 decks.

The dual usb feature is not needed for for me as when my set is done i'll be taking my sl3 with me, so the dual feature is only handy for permanent installs, my 2 cents

agreed, but better they buy a SL4 than rane68 (saves money)
dj lad 7:27 PM - 13 January, 2011
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Karl Detken says he found the flyer on the floor, in which case it's legitimate news. Besides, it's only a few hours before Rane announces it anyway; they can use the leak to their advantage pretty easily.


sorry but he is still a dick for leaking it he is a so called professional and he knows the lengths companies go to to keep this shit quiet

It's in this months DJ Times (which I got yesterday) there is a picture of the SL4.

He didn't leak it -- in fact, you can argue that Rane themselves leaked it and allowed to be published.
smokeyjoe 7:27 PM - 13 January, 2011
rane.com


all the info you need including whats in the box
Serato, Forum Moderator
Eru G 7:29 PM - 13 January, 2011
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its on the product page now.


Right here: sera.to
The Return of Dj Sparky 7:35 PM - 13 January, 2011
any info on the vinyl that comes with it, standard black or something special?
DJDeluchi 7:37 PM - 13 January, 2011
standard black according to the website
Hi-Tek 7:38 PM - 13 January, 2011
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any info on the vinyl that comes with it, standard black or something special?


standard black vinyl IS something special
DJDeluchi 7:43 PM - 13 January, 2011
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standard black vinyl IS something special


i dont use the vinyl i just collect em

i have black so they will be staying in the box
Hi-Tek 7:45 PM - 13 January, 2011
send them over this way plz
DJDeluchi 7:47 PM - 13 January, 2011
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send them over this way plz


haha ill keep you in mind
Free Man 7:49 PM - 13 January, 2011
What are the thoughts on 24 bit?
echa1945mf 8:34 PM - 13 January, 2011
i want one , i need one , like now , gimme that sl4 !! now !! if its not on the stores by tommorow morning , imm go and worship satan LOL , just kidding (but i do want the sl4 soon)
Hi-Tek 8:35 PM - 13 January, 2011
PSSL01 PSSL.com - ProSound

sl4 coming in march at 899.
Johny Rumble 8:58 PM - 13 January, 2011
Wtf wtf, if the sl4 is the same sound quality as the sixty eight.. fine for me. But if this thing is better sound than the sixty eight... Than this shit looks like fucking bullshit to me..
nik39 9:05 PM - 13 January, 2011
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Wtf wtf, if the sl4 is the same sound quality as the sixty eight.. fine for me. But if this thing is better sound than the sixty eight... Than this shit looks like fucking bullshit to me..

That's a good question. Maybe a mod can answer that:

The 68 says:
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ADCs: 24-bit, 48 kHz; Dynamic range 101 dB A-weighted
DACs: 24-bit, 48 kHz; Dynamic range 107 dB A-weighted


The SL4 says:
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Converters 24-bit / 48 kHz or 96 kHz sample rate switchable
DJ DisGrace 9:22 PM - 13 January, 2011
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Wtf wtf, if the sl4 is the same sound quality as the sixty eight.. fine for me. But if this thing is better sound than the sixty eight... Than this shit looks like fucking bullshit to me..


I doubt you would hear the difference with mp3s
djdragon 9:36 PM - 13 January, 2011
I'll end up getting a SL4, but please Rane/Serato.

SL-EMPATH with the Emapth preamps. Please?
blackavenger 9:39 PM - 13 January, 2011
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I'll end up getting a SL4, but please Rane/Serato.

SL-EMPATH with the Emapth preamps. Please?


You see, that's the key right there....the preamps. My friend's Empath sounds sooo damn good....if they neglected to include those, it would be shite!
JD 9:40 PM - 13 January, 2011
I HATE those little phono line switches they have on the TTM57 and now the SL 4... can they make it any smaller? lol
Free Man 9:53 PM - 13 January, 2011
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I HATE those little phono line switches they have on the TTM57 and now the SL 4... can they make it any smaller? lol


glad i dont have fat fingers... With that said though, seems like a good job for a pinky. (no mq)
jepe 9:56 PM - 13 January, 2011
i wish this have midi :( so it could be a real soundcard as a RME, or even audio8.
Kadilac 10:00 PM - 13 January, 2011
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I don't see the sl4 selling well, the main target buyer would seem to be a club or bar or someone that needs 4 decks.

The dual usb feature is not needed for for me as when my set is done i'll be taking my sl3 with me, so the dual feature is only handy for permanent installs, my 2 cents


+1
I just don't see the immediate need for this.
Controllers are everywhere, and you think that cats are gonna drop $899 just to use
TT's/CDJ's plus a mixer with their buddies!
Not me, I don't even know many people who got SL3's, to tell the truth.
They still rocking SL1's, and with good reason, not too much of a penalty for not upgrading.
jepe 10:34 PM - 13 January, 2011
also for me. i don t need it. i m sorry. i need a midi option , i need a third party integration via midi, i need master clock...
Dj Shamann 11:10 PM - 13 January, 2011
So was the SL4 the only thing released from RANE? I won't feel so bad about buying a 57 this year when I already had a perfectly good 56s, was still hoping maybe a RANE controller option or something new along those lines. I'm definitely picking up an SL4, I still use the first gen SL1 nightly and it's a rock, but the two USB and 4 deck option will be lots of fun. Not to mention the safe feeling on an important gig of having the option to have 2 laptops plugged into only one unit ready to go if I so please.
DJ_Gr0wTesK 11:17 PM - 13 January, 2011
SL4 = dope
$900 price tag = FUCK that noise
Dj Farhan 11:17 PM - 13 January, 2011
anyone know how much it might cost?
Dj Farhan 11:17 PM - 13 January, 2011
^ nvm
DJLRock 11:18 PM - 13 January, 2011
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SL4 = dope
$900 price tag = FUCK that noise
Laz219 11:52 PM - 13 January, 2011
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wait wait a miin! since its using ASIO drivers, does it means we say goodbye to the intel i processors problems???


If I remember correctly, the I-series issues were with USB1 issues. The SL-4 will not be running USB1 so shouldn't be affected.
To run SSL proprietry drivers are used, ASIO/CORE are just added drivers to allow any other programs to be able to use the soundcard.
Dj Farhan 11:52 PM - 13 January, 2011
yeah if u notice, we both posted it at the exact same minuite, ma bad..;-P
BERTO 12:05 AM - 14 January, 2011
9 bills though?
Dj Farhan 12:06 AM - 14 January, 2011
i know, i was gonna say if it is not gonna be that expensive, i will sell my sl3 and get that but damn
DJN1X0N 12:07 AM - 14 January, 2011
thats pretty sick, but i think ill stick with my SL3 (:
Dj Farhan 12:08 AM - 14 January, 2011
and it aint like i am that good to mix with 4 tabkles at once..;-P
Dj Farhan 12:08 AM - 14 January, 2011
tables*
Hi-Tek 12:09 AM - 14 January, 2011
Any SL3 owner WILL stick with what they got and not upgrade...
IMHO, an empathSL would had moved major quantities out of Rane's warehouse quick!!
BERTO 12:12 AM - 14 January, 2011
Sl1 for the win
blackavenger 12:40 AM - 14 January, 2011
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Any SL3 owner WILL stick with what they got and not upgrade...
IMHO, an empathSL would had moved major quantities out of Rane's warehouse quick!!


I'm an SL3 owner, and I have every intention of buying the SL4 when it drops. I sold my SL1 shortly after buying my SL3, and I'll more than likely do the same once I buy the SL4. The way I see it, I definitely got the $175.00 dollar difference back out of my SL3 from my SL1, so paying an additional $300.00 for the SL4 (in what will more than likely be the last ScratchLIVE soundcard I buy) is a more than reasonable upgrade purchase.
The Return of Dj Sparky 12:40 AM - 14 January, 2011
well i think who ever is the product designer should be fired,

the sl4 is what the sl3 should have been,
the 68 is a joke if you ask me priced way too high and only appealing to clubs,
and as for that new 19" mixer, rane keep me posted on how many of them you guys sell if any
snob dee-jays 12:52 AM - 14 January, 2011
does it have usb 3?
Free Man 12:52 AM - 14 January, 2011
What do you think the biggest advantage of usb 2.0 is?

In the begining I thought that usb 1.0 was a little odd to have in this kind of application
DJ Tecniq 1:00 AM - 14 January, 2011
are u fucking kidding me? I don't even have a SL3 yet, haven't used itch or even the bridge and now a SL4? How much is that gonna cost a hundred grand!!!
Laz219 1:50 AM - 14 January, 2011
Nobody says you have to buy anything.
reggae delgado 2:21 AM - 14 January, 2011
Jeez guys, relax. I don't think it was really aimed at most of the DJs on here. Hell, most of them haven't made $900 total in their careers! Certainly most of them don't use two computers at the same time, or 4 decks. So it's not for you, don't get mad. I like Nikes but I don't get mad when they release women's shoes, that stuff ain't for me and it's (usually) obvious. If the SL4 features sound terrible to you, then its probably not for you.
Yeah, I'd rather drool over a new mixer too, but honestly, that's just me. Rane makes a lot of things, and the main one is money. Clubs have a lot of money to spend, DJs do not. ANd if its world domination you want (it always is), then making serato the automatic for club installation would make sense. The truth is, an SL4 might meet the needs of the DJ crew I'm with, two USBs, 5 channels (one of us won't ever give up his lame ass CDjs), and a price point that's just 2-3 gigs away.
Dj Shamann 2:25 AM - 14 January, 2011
How much more than the SL3 is it? $200? I don't see the problem.
Dj Farhan 2:43 AM - 14 January, 2011
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are u fucking kidding me? I don't even have a SL3 yet, haven't used itch or even the bridge and now a SL4? How much is that gonna cost a hundred grand!!!


900 bucks
blackavenger 2:55 AM - 14 January, 2011
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are u fucking kidding me? I don't even have a SL3 yet, haven't used itch or even the bridge and now a SL4? How much is that gonna cost a hundred grand!!!


900 bucks


When everyone was selling the SL3 for $685.00 when it first dropped, I snatched mine from an authorized dealer on EBay for $618.00 .....I fully expect to do the same when the SL4 arrives. I imagine I'll be able to get it for around $850.00 ....that wouldn't be too much to spend at all.
ta2423 3:57 AM - 14 January, 2011
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How much more than the SL3 is it? $200? I don't see the problem.


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are u fucking kidding me? I don't even have a SL3 yet, haven't used itch or even the bridge and now a SL4? How much is that gonna cost a hundred grand!!!


900 bucks


When everyone was selling the SL3 for $685.00 when it first dropped, I snatched mine from an authorized dealer on EBay for $618.00 .....I fully expect to do the same when the SL4 arrives. I imagine I'll be able to get it for around $850.00 ....that wouldn't be too much to spend at all.


Damn wheres the hustle... Any hustle at all can get it for 7bills.
sixxx 3:59 AM - 14 January, 2011
Sentence of the year: Rane makes a lot of things and the main one is money.
mastermind 4:15 AM - 14 January, 2011
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Sentence of the year: Rane makes a lot of things and the main one is "YOUR" money.



Fixed
djdannyd 4:26 AM - 14 January, 2011
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Wtf wtf, if the sl4 is the same sound quality as the sixty eight.. fine for me. But if this thing is better sound than the sixty eight... Than this shit looks like fucking bullshit to me..

That's a good question. Maybe a mod can answer that:

The 68 says:
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ADCs: 24-bit, 48 kHz; Dynamic range 101 dB A-weighted
DACs: 24-bit, 48 kHz; Dynamic range 107 dB A-weighted


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Converters 24-bit / 48 kHz or 96 kHz sample rate switchable



There was a study that showed that anything higher than 48 is a waste. Basically, 48 khz at 24 bit gets you more bang for the buck.

I'll get the link later.
PowerhouseEntertainment 4:27 AM - 14 January, 2011
I'll keep my fingers crossed for a price drop on the SL3. I have the SL1 and an i series processor......suckin' right now. (yes, i've tried all the fixes on this site, lost interest) Luckily my backup laptop (pentuim) works great. Just saving up to pay the man.
mastermind 4:35 AM - 14 January, 2011
dub .... did you hear the audio quality of the SL4?
djdannyd 4:51 AM - 14 January, 2011
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dub .... did you hear the audio quality of the SL4?

there wouldn't be an audible difference, the switchable sample rate pertains to recording.
blackavenger 5:49 AM - 14 January, 2011
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are u fucking kidding me? I don't even have a SL3 yet, haven't used itch or even the bridge and now a SL4? How much is that gonna cost a hundred grand!!!


900 bucks


When everyone was selling the SL3 for $685.00 when it first dropped, I snatched mine from an authorized dealer on EBay for $618.00 .....I fully expect to do the same when the SL4 arrives. I imagine I'll be able to get it for around $850.00 ....that wouldn't be too much to spend at all.


Damn wheres the hustle... Any hustle at all can get it for 7bills.



Huh? I got it for LESS than $700.00, over $80.00 less than MAP!?!? Or do you mean, I should be able to get the SL4 for $700.00? I'm just being conservative in my guesstimate. Perhaps I will be able to get it for $700.00, all the better!

The point was that peeps are complaining that the SL4 pricing is too high, and they don't see a point to upgrading. When I say that after you sell your other SL Interface, factor that in to the cost to upgrqade, the price difference is minimal.
jevo9 5:52 AM - 14 January, 2011
It's for professional djs not for bedroom cats.
You guys don't have to buy it, just keep your old stuff.
ninjagaijin 6:09 AM - 14 January, 2011
I'm happy with 3x decks atm.

4x decks not a big selling point for me, I would love clubs to get this for installs for their tt's + cdjs, but I don't see it happening, considering the slow uptake on SL boxes in Australian clubs in general.
kryptonitednb 6:14 AM - 14 January, 2011
The big point in this imo is the easy dj switching. 2 usbs ftw. For real.
ninjagaijin 6:16 AM - 14 January, 2011
yeah, it would be great to play with my homies back2back.. but until then, I'm happy for them to use my laptop. It's not enough of a difference for me to go out and upgrade/exchange my SL3..
blackavenger 6:17 AM - 14 January, 2011
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The big point in this imo is the easy dj switching. 2 usbs ftw. For real.


I 100% agree....that's the selling point for me.
reggae delgado 6:40 AM - 14 January, 2011
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Sentence of the year: Rane makes a lot of things and the main one is money.


I got sentence of the year! I officially retire from the boards!
reggae delgado 6:41 AM - 14 January, 2011
^^^^ and thanks, sixxx!
SK1 7:23 AM - 14 January, 2011
I was thinking if I could use the SL4 to play back to back with another DJ... why not use it with my own two computers. I'm not sure if it would work this way, but....

Use SSL + VSL + Midi from Xone92 on my mbp
Use SSL + The Bridge + Midi from APC 40 on my pc laptop

I've already done that with the SL3 and one laptop, but that was a lot of stuff running on one system. I'd rather break it up into multiple systems.
skratchworx 8:46 AM - 14 January, 2011
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dub .... did you hear the audio quality of the SL4?

there wouldn't be an audible difference, the switchable sample rate pertains to recording.

Given that so may people are still filling clubs using SL1s with low rate MP3s and still killing it, audio quality seems to be a moot point really.
DJ_Mike_Coquilla 8:49 AM - 14 January, 2011
Gulp! Soooo.....

SL1 + SL3 = SL4?
SeriousCyrus 8:58 AM - 14 January, 2011
Perfect for me, I've been wanting to upgrade the SL1, but the Sixty eight was too expensive. I couldn't bring myself to get the SL3 over the SL1 as it only had 1 extra channel.

Looking forward to extra sound quality and not having to purchase an extra soundcard for my non Serato products.
mastermind 8:58 AM - 14 January, 2011
I do care about sound quality gizmo
blackavenger 9:08 AM - 14 January, 2011
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Given that so may people are still filling clubs using SL1s with low rate MP3s and still killing it, audio quality seems to be a moot point really.


good point, though it will matter for recordings.
Mikey Blesid 9:16 AM - 14 January, 2011
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dub .... did you hear the audio quality of the SL4?

there wouldn't be an audible difference, the switchable sample rate pertains to recording.

Given that so may people are still filling clubs using SL1s with low rate MP3s and still killing it, audio quality seems to be a moot point really.


Doesn't the sample rate also mean the box samples the control tone at much higher rate, therefore processing the tone in greater detail and aiding latency issues?
DJ_Gr0wTesK 9:18 AM - 14 January, 2011
dont think so, the control tone is 1KHz I believe. without adding to the resolution of the actual control tone I dont think it will improve tracking
DJ_SCOOBY 9:31 AM - 14 January, 2011
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dub .... did you hear the audio quality of the SL4?

there wouldn't be an audible difference, the switchable sample rate pertains to recording.


If thats the case then you know that 96 kHz is the recording standard for studios, which could utilize the sl4 just as well as djs can.
Johny Rumble 9:40 AM - 14 January, 2011
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Wtf wtf, if the sl4 is the same sound quality as the sixty eight.. fine for me. But if this thing is better sound than the sixty eight... Than this shit looks like fucking bullshit to me..


I doubt you would hear the difference with mp3s


I mix with wav :) Mp3 is shit
Mikey Blesid 9:41 AM - 14 January, 2011
I may be entirely wrong here but....

the control tone has a frequency of 1khz - that is, it is the sound of a wave oscillating a 1,000 times a second.

When used to describe a sample rate hertz refer to the number of times a second the box will sample, ie 48,000 times a second or 96,000 times a second.

If you sample a 1khz wave 48,000 times or 96,000 times you we undoubtedly get two different quality of end results.

Can you explain what i have wrong in my thinking?
Serato
Sean.C 9:41 AM - 14 January, 2011
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dub .... did you hear the audio quality of the SL4?

there wouldn't be an audible difference, the switchable sample rate pertains to recording.


not true...switching it 96khz changes all i/o

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Mikey Blesid 9:44 AM - 14 January, 2011
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dub .... did you hear the audio quality of the SL4?

there wouldn't be an audible difference, the switchable sample rate pertains to recording.


not true...switching it 96khz changes all i/o

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does this therefore make my query correct?
mastermind 9:44 AM - 14 January, 2011
Nice..... So would you say the sl4 is the best sounding equipment rane has ever produced?
Serato
Sean.C 9:50 AM - 14 January, 2011
Mikey...i cant go into technical details but lets just say that the Control Signal (which is a 1 khz tone plus a noise map) is subject to decoding within SSL.

Mastermind....yes...it sounds well tasty...great imaging, very present, nice soundstage....cant wait to try one at home on my JBLS6328p's.

S
mastermind 9:52 AM - 14 January, 2011
Well..... That does it for me...... I want to hear that at my home setup as well. Where is the pre order link?
Mikey Blesid 9:55 AM - 14 January, 2011
So any decoding done within the SSL will be better facilitated by a better stream of info from the SL4 at 96khz?
blackavenger 9:57 AM - 14 January, 2011
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Mikey...i cant go into technical details but lets just say that the Control Signal (which is a 1 khz tone plus a noise map) is subject to decoding within SSL.

Mastermind....yes...it sounds well tasty...great imaging, very present, nice soundstage....cant wait to try one at home on my JBLS6328p's.

S

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Well..... That does it for me...... I want to hear that at my home setup as well. Where is the pre order link?



I too cannot wait....come on March/April :)
Johny Rumble 10:00 AM - 14 January, 2011
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Mikey...i cant go into technical details but lets just say that the Control Signal (which is a 1 khz tone plus a noise map) is subject to decoding within SSL.

Mastermind....yes...it sounds well tasty...great imaging, very present, nice soundstage....cant wait to try one at home on my JBLS6328p's.

S


So what about the different with the 68? I hope i don't spend 3000€ for a product that after 1 year is outdated..
mastermind 10:07 AM - 14 January, 2011
The spects on the sl4 are a tad bit better than the 68
Serato
Sean.C 10:13 AM - 14 January, 2011
Hi Johny

obviously the 2 products (SL4 and Sixty Eight) are completely different units.

What you should know is that RANE cut no corners and offer the best technologies available at the time, at the best price point, right across their product line. I think that is evident in the thousands of users still playing out with an SL1 that they may have bought 6/7 years ago. Longevity is built into the product.

So, please do not think your 68 is outdated, its far from!

Sonically the 68 and SL4 cut a pretty close comparison, you would be hard pushed to tell the difference between the 2 in a blind test...audio performance at 96khz and they why and why not arguments for 96khz sampling rates are best left for another discussion (personally i cant hear the difference, however my ears are shot to bits!).

cheers!

s
Mikey Blesid 10:25 AM - 14 January, 2011
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Mikey...i cant go into technical details but lets just say that the Control Signal (which is a 1 khz tone plus a noise map) is subject to decoding within SSL.


All i guess i wanted to know is, will the processing of the control tone, when SL4 is set to 96Khz be more memory/computer intensive than that at 46Khz
kryptonitednb 10:29 AM - 14 January, 2011
I can't wait to sell my SL 3 for this bad boy. I can wait, however, for local promoters to find out that I have one. They will be trying tO borrow/use this bad boy all the time.
Serato
Sean.C 10:31 AM - 14 January, 2011
Yes, switching to 96khz (ie the SL4 and SSL then run at 96khz throughout) does put additional load onto your computer and hard drive, as to be expected.

Cheers

s
Mikey Blesid 10:31 AM - 14 January, 2011
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I can't wait to sell my SL 3 for this bad boy. I can wait, however, for local promoters to find out that I have one. They will be trying tO borrow/use this bad boy all the time.


yeah but think about the rental income (:P)
Mikey Blesid 10:32 AM - 14 January, 2011
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Yes, switching to 96khz (ie the SL4 and SSL then run at 96khz throughout) does put additional load onto your computer and hard drive, as to be expected.

Cheers

s


Thanks very much - sorry for all the q's I just wanted to ensure I was on the right track .
Serato
Sean.C 10:33 AM - 14 January, 2011
not a prob, we are here to listen and to answer!

s
Mikey Blesid 10:40 AM - 14 January, 2011
any ideas of a UK price???
DJMark 11:39 AM - 14 January, 2011
Considering everything that went into it, I'm honestly surprised the SL-4 is as inexpensive as it is.

The thing I don't understand at all is the new 19" Rane mixer with USB, but apparently no compatibility with Scratch Live. Seems like they kind of dropped the ball on something that would have been of great interest for a lot of installs.
nik39 11:57 AM - 14 January, 2011
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Jeez guys, relax. I don't think it was really aimed at most of the DJs on here. Hell, most of them haven't made $900 total in their careers!

Haha, that was funny :) Some in here sound like that.

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Considering everything that went into it, I'm honestly surprised the SL-4 is as inexpensive as it is.

+1.

You're getting more channels and kind of 2 boxes in one. That's a steal for club installments.
s3kn0tr0n1c 1:04 PM - 14 January, 2011
SL look Propa...Good work Rane

defo will sell my sl1 at some point in the distant future for this.....
blackavenger 1:12 PM - 14 January, 2011
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dub .... did you hear the audio quality of the SL4?

there wouldn't be an audible difference, the switchable sample rate pertains to recording.


not true...switching it 96khz changes all i/o

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Mikey...i cant go into technical details but lets just say that the Control Signal (which is a 1 khz tone plus a noise map) is subject to decoding within SSL.

Mastermind....yes...it sounds well tasty...great imaging, very present, nice soundstage....cant wait to try one at home on my JBLS6328p's.

S



OK, so Y'all wanna delve into the realm of high quality audio recording...cool....but NOW IT IS IMPERATIVE that Y'all support FLAC!!!!!

We are not going to get the advantages of 96khz sound quality on Mp3s, regardless of how well they are encoded. Whether Y'all like it or not, ALAC is not a "standard" when it comes to Lossless Audio....FLAC IS!!!!! There is not a single site I purchase my music from that sells their tunes as ALAC!!

Y'all started this ball rolling when you introduced 96khz......you are now "obligated" to support sound sources that can take advantage of it.
blackavenger 1:22 PM - 14 January, 2011
^ I'm calling Y'all out, Serato.....those of us who are going to buy the SL4 as soon as it drops, are demanding that you to add FLAC support to the "NEXT" version update ^

it's been looooooooong enough, ya'll

all of your competition supports it

it's time for you to as well.
The Return of Dj Sparky 1:46 PM - 14 January, 2011
rane/serato used to be the front runner now all they do is try to catch up its funny
blackavenger 1:59 PM - 14 January, 2011
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rane/serato used to be the front runner now all they do is try to catch up its funny


They are hardly playing catch up w' implementing 2 DJs to mix together on their own individual laptops or making DJ transitions a breeze.

Though, when it comes to Lossless support, yes, they need to play catch-up w' just about every other DVS out there.
blackavenger 2:01 PM - 14 January, 2011
I imagine Proto-J would agree in that they need to play catch-up with a better Key-Lock, as well ;)
Dj dOoOb_edstreme 3:15 PM - 14 January, 2011
I don't get it.. I already have SL3 connected to my DJM800, If I buy another SL3 from someone that is upgrading to SL4 for $400 - I would end up with 6 channels , 2 USB, 2- Bridge set-up and not worry about swapping or latency issue. They will be hook up to 1 mixer anyway. oh. same sound quality live.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:04 PM - 14 January, 2011
Sometimes i wander if people on this forum realise that there are people out there outside of this forum who have yet to purchase any of this stuff. Yes if you own an SL3 an SL4 may not be for you but if you dont own ANY rane ish then its a great buy. And i really dont get the people bitching about the price when it cost pretty much the same as a new SL3.
Hi-Tek 4:05 PM - 14 January, 2011
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^ I'm calling Y'all out, Serato.....those of us who are going to buy the SL4 as soon as it drops, are demanding that you to add FLAC support to the "NEXT" version update ^

it's been looooooooong enough, ya'll

all of your competition supports it

it's time for you to as well.


with the introduction of this software, it's only obvious that FLAC is in their agenda.
Hi-Tek 4:06 PM - 14 January, 2011
***hardware sl4
blackavenger 4:20 PM - 14 January, 2011
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Sometimes i wander if people on this forum realise that there are people out there outside of this forum who have yet to purchase any of this stuff. Yes if you own an SL3 an SL4 may not be for you but if you dont own ANY rane ish then its a great buy. And i really dont get the people bitching about the price when it cost pretty much the same as a new SL3.


+1
blackavenger 4:20 PM - 14 January, 2011
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^ I'm calling Y'all out, Serato.....those of us who are going to buy the SL4 as soon as it drops, are demanding that you to add FLAC support to the "NEXT" version update ^

it's been looooooooong enough, ya'll

all of your competition supports it

it's time for you to as well.


I hope so, or Imma be one pissed little whiner...lol!

with the introduction of this software, it's only obvious that FLAC is in their agenda.
dj-dave-d 4:57 PM - 14 January, 2011
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any ideas of a UK price???

what he said £?
dj-dave-d 4:58 PM - 14 January, 2011
ps i'll be after 2 so want a discount lol
blackavenger 5:15 PM - 14 January, 2011
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with the introduction of this software, it's only obvious that FLAC is in their agenda.


I want an answer from Serato regarding the matter. They were in here last night praising Rane for their accomplishment w' the SL4.....come back and let us hear what you have to say....don't just camp out in the corner afraid to address your customers like you do in the FLAC thread. Do it, praise Rane for their accomplishment some more....tell us why, now that Rane have provided a 24bit/96khz soundcard that Serato is finally in a position where they feel it would be unjust to offer FLAC support.

Come on Guys/Gals.....

What say you, Serato?????!!!!!????!!!!
blackavenger 5:20 PM - 14 January, 2011
Damn, I wish we had an edit button.

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they feel it would be unjust "NOT"to offer FLAC support



Grammatical errors like that lessen the flames of my fiery words...lololol
Dj Shamann 5:21 PM - 14 January, 2011
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I don't get it.. I already have SL3 connected to my DJM800, If I buy another SL3 from someone that is upgrading to SL4 for $400 - I would end up with 6 channels , 2 USB, 2- Bridge set-up and not worry about swapping or latency issue. They will be hook up to 1 mixer anyway. oh. same sound quality live.



So you don't nee one then, what's to get?

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Sometimes i wander if people on this forum realise that there are people out there outside of this forum who have yet to purchase any of this stuff. Yes if you own an SL3 an SL4 may not be for you but if you dont own ANY rane ish then its a great buy.



I own a 57 and an SL1 and I'm picking one up. Probably not goig to sell my SL1 either.
DJ'Que 5:24 PM - 14 January, 2011
Heading back to namm. The sl4 had many people looking at it to buy. Is perfect for a club that dont have the 68 and have different djs threw out the night. It sounded really clean and tasty. Its about the same size a the sl-1 box. I'm jumping on one for sure to freak it out.
nik39 5:26 PM - 14 January, 2011
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rane/serato used to be the front runner now all they do is try to catch up its funny

How are they catching up?

They raised the bar with the 68 mixer. First two port USB mixer with built in DVS support.

They raised the bar with the SL4. First two port USB soundcard with build in DVS support.

Hardware wise - top notch.


Now if you're talking about software...

PLugins other manufacturer's don't support:
Video Support

DJ FX with very flexible functions, powerfull *but* easy to use.

Now let's talk about software-stability (most important IMHO):
Serato's Scratch Live used the be the uncrowned king when it came to stability. Unfortunately this has changed :-( I hope they'll fine their way back on track.
Dj Shamann 5:29 PM - 14 January, 2011
Damn no edit:

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I don't get it.. I already have SL3 connected to my DJM800, If I buy another SL3 from someone that is upgrading to SL4 for $400 - I would end up with 6 channels , 2 USB, 2- Bridge set-up and not worry about swapping or latency issue. They will be hook up to 1 mixer anyway. oh. same sound quality live.




So you don't need one then, what's to "get"?


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Sometimes i wander if people on this forum realise that there are people out there outside of this forum who have yet to purchase any of this stuff. Yes if you own an SL3 an SL4 may not be for you but if you dont own ANY rane ish then its a great buy.




I own a 57 and an SL1 and I'm picking one up. Probably not going to sell my SL1 either.
Tunecrew 5:32 PM - 14 January, 2011
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c'mon now - it is great that SSL has finally got FX, and I am assuming they will improve with subsequent updates, but if you've ever played with Traktor's FX you will realize there is no comparison in either quality or ease of use
nik39 5:39 PM - 14 January, 2011
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dub .... did you hear the audio quality of the SL4?

there wouldn't be an audible difference, the switchable sample rate pertains to recording.

not true...switching it 96khz changes all i/o
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Mikey...i cant go into technical details but lets just say that the Control Signal (which is a 1 khz tone plus a noise map) is subject to decoding within SSL.

Mastermind....yes...it sounds well tasty...great imaging, very present, nice soundstage....cant wait to try one at home on my JBLS6328p's.

S

OK, so Y'all wanna delve into the realm of high quality audio recording...cool....but NOW IT IS IMPERATIVE that Y'all support FLAC!!!!!

We are not going to get the advantages of 96khz sound quality on Mp3s, regardless of how well they are encoded. Whether Y'all like it or not, ALAC is not a "standard" when it comes to Lossless Audio....FLAC IS!!!!! There is not a single site I purchase my music from that sells their tunes as ALAC!!

Y'all started this ball rolling when you introduced 96khz......you are now "obligated" to support sound sources that can take advantage of it.

It's not like SL does not support no lossless codecs. WAV/AIF support 96kHz (if you want to use them).
blackavenger 5:49 PM - 14 January, 2011
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It's not like SL does not support no lossless codecs. WAV/AIF support 96kHz (if you want to use them).


I know, but ALL of the stores I buy my music from sell their Lossless tracks in the form of FLAC....it has become the Mother Effin' standard for Lossless Sales!!! This cannot be denied...go to any site....even if you buy .Wav's, they come in a FLAC shell. It's absolutely RIDICULOUS that we even have to have this argument!!!

Screw Aif, Screw .Wav, and most importantly, SCREW ALAC!

Serato love hearing that they are the standard amongst DVS, well FLAC is the standard amongst Lossless files.....get w' it already!!

This is the last I'll mention FLAC in this thread, but if I don't see a response from Serato regarding it, I'll think them cowards, and pampas for not hearing the needs of their customers for the last 6 years! Especially now that Rane have given us a 24bit/96khz soundcard!!
kryptonitednb 6:12 PM - 14 January, 2011
Why do you need lossless support??! Who do you DJ for, a bunch of chin scratching audiophiles? Seriously, get over it already.
blackavenger 6:14 PM - 14 January, 2011
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Why do you need lossless support??! Who do you DJ for, a bunch of chin scratching audiophiles? Seriously, get over it already.


Wow.
Hi-Tek 6:24 PM - 14 January, 2011
My 128 kbps files rock da house! lol :p
blackavenger 6:30 PM - 14 January, 2011
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Why do you need lossless support??! Who do you DJ for, a bunch of chin scratching audiophiles? Seriously, get over it already.


Wow.


Gotta ask you a question, Krypto. Do you think the CDs that you buy & listen to are recorded using Lossy Mp3's?
nik39 6:32 PM - 14 January, 2011
Do you think the cds were recorded using FLAC?

I doubt.
blackavenger 6:33 PM - 14 January, 2011
You know, never mind...you need not even answer. You just showed us all your level of depth concerning high fidelity. I'm shocked you even spun vinyl at one time.

Perhaps DVS really has destroyed the DJ scene.
blackavenger 6:34 PM - 14 January, 2011
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I doubt.


Nope, they are likely recorded using .Wav files., but FLAC is the next best thing in terms of size/quality ratio....but I said I wouldn't argue it any further, so I digress.
DJ SicBeatz 6:38 PM - 14 January, 2011
check this out ..
Watchwww.youtube.com
nik39 6:45 PM - 14 January, 2011
Black, I can understand you. My two cents are that it is nice to have.. but its far more important to fix the stability issues with the currently supported formats first.
blackavenger 6:47 PM - 14 January, 2011
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check this out ..
Watchwww.youtube.com


You know, I just realized after watching that "stash" vid, that the SL4 lost the little Blue LED....bummer. I have one of those coffins that house the soundcard in a little nook under where you place the sliding laptop platform.....when I had my SL3 on, it would shine the little Blue LED over the surface of my Mixer....hence, giving it just enough lights to read the mixer's parameters. Oh well, it's not a big deal to me...I know my mixer inside/out, but when other guys use my mixer it was a helpful little feature for them.

So be it.
Hi-Tek 6:49 PM - 14 January, 2011
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Black, I can understand you. My two cents are that it is nice to have.. but its far more important to fix the stability issues with the currently supported formats first.


stability issues far outweights things that are "nice" to have. Specially since other lossless audio formats are compatible with SSL
blackavenger 6:49 PM - 14 January, 2011
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Black, I can understand you. My two cents are that it is nice to have.. but its far more important to fix the stability issues with the currently supported formats first.


I would love to keep talking about it, but there is a 6 year old thread which would be better suited for this discussion ;)
blackavenger 6:52 PM - 14 January, 2011
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stability issues far outweights things that are "nice" to have. Specially since other lossless audio formats are compatible with SSL


I would concede that point if it were not for the fact that they keep on adding more, and more "optional" features that likely add to the stability issue, rather than giving us the basics like FLAC support & Optimized KEY LOCK....things that have been requested long before they added the Internal Recorder, SP-6, Effects Processors, etc...
nik39 7:06 PM - 14 January, 2011
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stability issues far outweights things that are "nice" to have. Specially since other lossless audio formats are compatible with SSL


I would concede that point if it were not for the fact that they keep on adding more, and more "optional" features that likely add to the stability issue, rather than giving us the basics like FLAC support & Optimized KEY LOCK....things that have been requested long before they added the Internal Recorder, SP-6, Effects Processors, etc...

But those stability issues just "recently" arose.

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You know, I just realized after watching that "stash" vid, that the SL4 lost the little Blue LED....bummer. I have one of those coffins that house the soundcard in a little nook under where you place the sliding laptop platform.....when I had my SL3 on, it would shine the little Blue LED over the surface of my Mixer....hence, giving it just enough lights to read the mixer's parameters

Haha.. that blue LED could really replace one of the big disco lights. Its soooo freaking bright. I always try to cover it with something when djing. Otherwise my eyes get dazzled.
CMOS 7:09 PM - 14 January, 2011
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stability issues far outweights things that are "nice" to have. Specially since other lossless audio formats are compatible with SSL


I would concede that point if it were not for the fact that they keep on adding more, and more "optional" features that likely add to the stability issue, rather than giving us the basics like FLAC support & Optimized KEY LOCK....things that have been requested long before they added the Internal Recorder, SP-6, Effects Processors, etc...

But those stability issues just "recently" arose.


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You know, I just realized after watching that "stash" vid, that the SL4 lost the little Blue LED....bummer. I have one of those coffins that house the soundcard in a little nook under where you place the sliding laptop platform.....when I had my SL3 on, it would shine the little Blue LED over the surface of my Mixer....hence, giving it just enough lights to read the mixer's parameters

Haha.. that blue LED could really replace one of the big disco lights. Its soooo freaking bright. I always try to cover it with something when djing. Otherwise my eyes get dazzled.



LOL i have a small behringer mixer that i run all my gear through, the little blue LED is so bright you cant see the text on the mixer unless you cover it.
blackavenger 7:12 PM - 14 January, 2011
I suppose if that light were shining directly in my eye, I would hate the damned thing. But like I said, it's housed in that little nook...I would have to bend down and look at the SL3 to see the light directly.
blackavenger 7:28 PM - 14 January, 2011
You know I just thought of something. Alright so the SL4 has 2 USB's and 4 ins & outs....would it be possible to split the SL4 into a (quasi) 2 setup configuration?

Basically eliminating the need for a Daisy-Chain setup.

Whereas, (1) DJ has his 2 channel mixer, (2) Techs, & Laptop....then another DJ has the same setup, but both were to use 1 (the same) SL4. I've never been very knowledgeable about such things, so if it sounds stupid, or if I am waaay off, it's cool, but I was just throwing that around in my head.
ryansupak 7:32 PM - 14 January, 2011
I've never understood the shock and horror when something that you're going to use all the time costs a few bucks. We've gotten spoiled by how cheap things are when they're built under labor conditions that wouldn't fly in our countries of residence.

Take it from someone who has built some equipment from parts (and so knows how much things actually cost), $900 is extremely reasonable from something well-made in the USA. Try to buy a real professional-grade compressor or EQ for $900 -- the choices are limited, even for Chinese-made.

(I understand that parts are cheaper when bought in bulk. Just the same, good parts and R&D still cost more than the uninitiated seem to think.)

rs
thewevel 7:33 PM - 14 January, 2011
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You know I just thought of something. Alright so the SL4 has 2 USB's and 4 ins & outs....would it be possible to split the SL4 into a (quasi) 2 setup configuration?

Basically eliminating the need for a Daisy-Chain setup.

Whereas, (1) DJ has his 2 channel mixer, (2) Techs, & Laptop....then another DJ has the same setup, but both were to use 1 (the same) SL4. I've never been very knowledgeable about such things, so if it sounds stupid, or if I am waaay off, it's cool, but I was just throwing that around in my head.



yes, i think thats the entire point of having 2 usb ports. one dj can use 4 decks by plugging both usb's to his laptop, or 2 dj's can use 2 decks each by plugging 1 usb into their computer.
nik39 7:39 PM - 14 January, 2011
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You know I just thought of something. Alright so the SL4 has 2 USB's and 4 ins & outs....would it be possible to split the SL4 into a (quasi) 2 setup configuration?

Basically eliminating the need for a Daisy-Chain setup.

Whereas, (1) DJ has his 2 channel mixer, (2) Techs, & Laptop....then another DJ has the same setup, but both were to use 1 (the same) SL4. I've never been very knowledgeable about such things, so if it sounds stupid, or if I am waaay off, it's cool, but I was just throwing that around in my head.

Not sure what you mean. You want to use two different mixers?
blackavenger 7:41 PM - 14 January, 2011
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I've never understood the shock and horror when something that you're going to use all the time costs a few bucks. We've gotten spoiled by how cheap things are when they're built under labor conditions that wouldn't fly in our countries of residence.


you know, that's a great point. Rane are an American Company, and thus all Rane hardware is manufactured in the US as well....hence, the reason for it's quality.
blackavenger 7:42 PM - 14 January, 2011
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You know I just thought of something. Alright so the SL4 has 2 USB's and 4 ins & outs....would it be possible to split the SL4 into a (quasi) 2 setup configuration?

Basically eliminating the need for a Daisy-Chain setup.

Whereas, (1) DJ has his 2 channel mixer, (2) Techs, & Laptop....then another DJ has the same setup, but both were to use 1 (the same) SL4. I've never been very knowledgeable about such things, so if it sounds stupid, or if I am waaay off, it's cool, but I was just throwing that around in my head.

Not sure what you mean. You want to use two different mixers?


Yeah, that's what I was thinking, Nik.......does that make sense?
thewevel 7:42 PM - 14 January, 2011
ohhh i understand what you're asking.

i don't see why it wouldn't be possible. your computer would see one half of the sl4 and then the other dj would see the other half. what's connected to each half shouldn't matter.
thewevel 7:43 PM - 14 January, 2011
of course the problem then is centrally locating the SL4 so it would have to be in a place that both dj's gear could access it
CMOS 7:45 PM - 14 January, 2011
I dont think the 2 usb ports can be used at the same time. Pretty sure the 68 is like this also. Its meant to switch off DJ's not for 2 of you to play together.

Is this correct?
mastermind 7:50 PM - 14 January, 2011
2 can play together (nm nh)
blackavenger 7:51 PM - 14 January, 2011
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I dont think the 2 usb ports can be used at the same time. Pretty sure the 68 is like this also. Its meant to switch off DJ's not for 2 of you to play together.

Is this correct?


That's what I'd like to know. If what I am proposing can be done, it sure makes B2B Krew Sessions a lot easier to set up....less cables being the obvious bonus. You could even get away with not having to hook up to a soundboard if you were to do this in a small bar/lounge that may not have Pro Audio set up in their establishment.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:52 PM - 14 January, 2011
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I dont think the 2 usb ports can be used at the same time. Pretty sure the 68 is like this also. Its meant to switch off DJ's not for 2 of you to play together.

Is this correct?



if that was true how would the switch happen??? There must be a point where each laptop is playing music through the mixer at the same time
blackavenger 7:52 PM - 14 January, 2011
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2 can play together (nm nh)


I know 2 can play together from separate laptops on the same mixer, but can each DJ have his own setup and mix from 1 SL4...that's the question?
mastermind 7:53 PM - 14 January, 2011
Think of like two separate sound cards in one
mastermind 7:54 PM - 14 January, 2011
Yes they can black
djcsmv 7:55 PM - 14 January, 2011
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I dont think the 2 usb ports can be used at the same time. Pretty sure the 68 is like this also. Its meant to switch off DJ's not for 2 of you to play together.

Is this correct?



if that was true how would the switch happen??? There must be a point where each laptop is playing music through the mixer at the same time


It will most likely be the same as the 68. DJ 1 is playing on left deck and then 2nd DJ selects the right deck and easy as that mix in the song then activate the left deck on the new computer
blackavenger 7:55 PM - 14 January, 2011
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I dont think the 2 usb ports can be used at the same time. Pretty sure the 68 is like this also. Its meant to switch off DJ's not for 2 of you to play together.

Is this correct?



if that was true how would the switch happen??? There must be a point where each laptop is playing music through the mixer at the same time


I suppose the same way when you have 2 SL3's Daisy Chained......one Dj just drops the Levels.....still, sumpin' just doesn't seem right...like we're missing sumpin'. I have the same issues w' my home A/V setup...never was any good at hooking up several different Audio/Video sources...it get madd confusing.
mastermind 7:55 PM - 14 January, 2011
One sl4 can run 2 separate mixers if you want. Just have to wire the mixers the correct way
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:56 PM - 14 January, 2011
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I dont think the 2 usb ports can be used at the same time. Pretty sure the 68 is like this also. Its meant to switch off DJ's not for 2 of you to play together.

Is this correct?



if that was true how would the switch happen??? There must be a point where each laptop is playing music through the mixer at the same time


It will most likely be the same as the 68. DJ 1 is playing on left deck and then 2nd DJ selects the right deck and easy as that mix in the song then activate the left deck on the new computer


so 2 DJs CAN paly at once, thats what i was saying
Hi-Tek 7:57 PM - 14 January, 2011
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I dont think the 2 usb ports can be used at the same time. Pretty sure the 68 is like this also. Its meant to switch off DJ's not for 2 of you to play together.

Is this correct?



if that was true how would the switch happen??? There must be a point where each laptop is playing music through the mixer at the same time


track is playing on laptop 1, plug in and cue track on laptop 2. Mix song in from laptop 2 and fade out track on laptop 1. Disconnect laptop 1 and go home, laptop 2 stays and finishes the night off.
mastermind 7:57 PM - 14 January, 2011
One Dj with it's own mixer chooses channel 1 and 2. The other Dj with it's own mixer chooses Chanel 3 and 4
blackavenger 7:58 PM - 14 January, 2011
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One sl4 can run 2 separate mixers if you want. Just have to wire the mixers the correct way


Cool....yeah, the SL4 is definitely going to be siiiick, regardless of ScratchLIVE's supported formats. I can't wait!!!
nik39 8:08 PM - 14 January, 2011
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You know I just thought of something. Alright so the SL4 has 2 USB's and 4 ins & outs....would it be possible to split the SL4 into a (quasi) 2 setup configuration?

Basically eliminating the need for a Daisy-Chain setup.

Whereas, (1) DJ has his 2 channel mixer, (2) Techs, & Laptop....then another DJ has the same setup, but both were to use 1 (the same) SL4. I've never been very knowledgeable about such things, so if it sounds stupid, or if I am waaay off, it's cool, but I was just throwing that around in my head.

Not sure what you mean. You want to use two different mixers?


Yeah, that's what I was thinking, Nik.......does that make sense?

Well you can... sort of.

If Input 1+2 are used by DJ A, and Input 3+4 by DJ B, then each DJ has its own output channels (also they must have each individual input sources! They can't be using the same turntables) - no problem. Otherwise (if it works like the 68 "routing") you will run into issues. Let me explain why...

Input 1 can only be routed to output 1, Input 2 to output 2, etc.

So if we have two turntables connected to input 1 and 2, then the Scratch Live audio will only come out of output 1 and 2. So... you would have to split the signal if you want to have output 1 and output 2 on mixer 1 *and* 2. Looks like right now it is not possible to use input 1 to control virtual deck 3, and have the output on output 3. if that makes sense.

Read here about the issues:

www.serato.com

I don't know about how this will be handled on the SL4, but if it is the same as with the 68 then this won't be very user friendly IMHO.
blackavenger 8:16 PM - 14 January, 2011
^ hmmm, get's discouraged....sad face ^

I need to read that link. Thanks for taking the time to examine this w' me.
nik39 8:20 PM - 14 January, 2011
I am not saying that this will not be possible with the SL4, that's something Rane+Serato should be able to tell you.

All I am saying is that if it gets the same behaviour as the 68 currently has, then it will not work.
thewevel 8:21 PM - 14 January, 2011
well the way around that limitation is to split the line coming from the turntable. you could get some rca splitters from radio shack or you could use the native instruments multicore audio cables. thats how i used one pair of turntables with both a TTM57SL with scratch live and my friend's traktor scratch pro setup.
mastermind 8:23 PM - 14 January, 2011
nik..... i have a good feeling about pulling this off. I keep running scenarios in my head, but with out having the actual unit to test, it's a lil foggy but possible i think
blackavenger 8:29 PM - 14 January, 2011
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nik..... i have a good feeling about pulling this off. I keep running scenarios in my head, but with out having the actual unit to test, it's a lil foggy but possible i think


Likewise
SK1 8:41 PM - 14 January, 2011
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nik..... i have a good feeling about pulling this off. I keep running scenarios in my head, but with out having the actual unit to test, it's a lil foggy but possible i think


Likewise


Same here... I wouldn't be interested in using the same turntables... One possibly on internal mode, the other with my tables. Maybe that wouldn't work for some people because you would have to.... OMG... do I dare say it ...beat match by ear.
El_MaUri 8:49 PM - 14 January, 2011
Wouldn't switching all the inputs to line/cd do the trick?

Connect the first pair of TTs to inputs 1 and 2, and second pair to inputs 3 and 4.

Then connect outputs 1 and 2 to mixer A and outputs 3 and 4 to mixer B.

But you won't be able to play regular vinyl unless you switch the inputs to phono.
mastermind 8:56 PM - 14 January, 2011
i was watching the a ustream on the namm show and one of the serato katz confirmed that you can rock sl with another sl or different programs like abelton, traktor ect... all at the same time with the sl4
kryptonitednb 10:07 PM - 14 January, 2011
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You know, never mind...you need not even answer. You just showed us all your level of depth concerning high fidelity. I'm shocked you even spun vinyl at one time.

Perhaps DVS really has destroyed the DJ scene.


#1. I am not concerned about you trying to question my level of depth "conerning high fidelity."
#2. Who is your audience? What type of music do you play? I am telling you right now that 99.9999999% of your audience does not know the difference or care if you play a .wav, 320 kbps mp3, or a lossless file. Please don't tell me Top 40/Mash Up/Etc.
#3. The only reason why I said anything is that you posted approximately 10 times in a thread about the same thing thinking that if you did Rane would magically show up and grant your wish. That's a feature request!
#4. I checked your profile and we started in the same year. I'm not a new jack. I got Serato about 2.5 years ago and was strictly vinyl before then.

Dude, I'm not trying to be a dick here. All I'm saying is that you will probably get your lossless support, but make it a feature request. And the bottom line is . . . you and your dj friends are probably the only people that will enjoy the difference.

You have to respect the fact that you care so much about the music you provide sounding good though!
CMOS 10:09 PM - 14 January, 2011
This guy made me not want to use FLAC.
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:12 PM - 14 January, 2011
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You know, never mind...you need not even answer. You just showed us all your level of depth concerning high fidelity. I'm shocked you even spun vinyl at one time.

Perhaps DVS really has destroyed the DJ scene.


#1. I am not concerned about you trying to question my level of depth "conerning high fidelity."
#2. Who is your audience? What type of music do you play? I am telling you right now that 99.9999999% of your audience does not know the difference or care if you play a .wav, 320 kbps mp3, or a lossless file. Please don't tell me Top 40/Mash Up/Etc.
#3. The only reason why I said anything is that you posted approximately 10 times in a thread about the same thing thinking that if you did Rane would magically show up and grant your wish. That's a feature request!
#4. I checked your profile and we started in the same year. I'm not a new jack. I got Serato about 2.5 years ago and was strictly vinyl before then.

Dude, I'm not trying to be a dick here. All I'm saying is that you will probably get your lossless support, but make it a feature request. And the bottom line is . . . you and your dj friends are probably the only people that will enjoy the difference.

You have to respect the fact that you care so much about the music you provide sounding good though!

hate to say it but +1000
Dj dOoOb_edstreme 10:40 PM - 14 January, 2011
there is no high fidelity in playing MP3 files!
nik39 11:58 PM - 14 January, 2011
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well the way around that limitation is to split the line coming from the turntable. you could get some rca splitters from radio shack or you could use the native instruments multicore audio cables. thats how i used one pair of turntables with both a TTM57SL with scratch live and my friend's traktor scratch pro setup.

No offense... of course you can get piggy backs, splitters and all that.

But... you're paying $900/$2600 for top of the line, quality technical equipment.

Having to use piggybacks/splitters is not only not adequate, but its also not professional IMHO.
djdragon 7:35 AM - 15 January, 2011
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I'll end up getting a SL4, but please Rane/Serato.

SL-EMPATH with the Emapth preamps. Please?


You see, that's the key right there....the preamps. My friend's Empath sounds sooo damn good....if they neglected to include those, it would be shite!

+1

Best Preamps ever
blackavenger 9:15 AM - 15 January, 2011
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#2. Who is your audience? What type of music do you play? I am telling you right now that 99.9999999% of your audience does not know the difference or care if you play a .wav, 320 kbps mp3, or a lossless file. Please don't tell me Top 40/Mash Up/Etc.
#3. The only reason why I said anything is that you posted approximately 10 times in a thread about the same thing thinking that if you did Rane would magically show up and grant your wish. That's a feature request!
#4. I checked your profile and we started in the same year. I'm not a new jack. I got Serato about 2.5 years ago and was strictly vinyl before then.

Dude, I'm not trying to be a dick here. All I'm saying is that you will probably get your lossless support, but make it a feature request. And the bottom line is . . . you and your dj friends are probably the only people that will enjoy the difference.

You have to respect the fact that you care so much about the music you provide sounding good though!


Alright, Krypto...the only reason I responded so harshly was because you made that statement that Lossless didn't matter. Perhaps I was a bit to harsh...it just really shocked me that someone who has "DnB" in their handle wouldn't want the best quality sound they could get out of their ScratchLIVE format. I too play DnB, and I'm sure I don't have to tell you that Lossless Bass sounds soooooo much better than Lossy Bass does.

Of course I realize that the masses don't hear the difference in Fidelity that I do. I've even gotten away with playing 320VBR's (V0) at the club. Hell, I have some 192kbps tracks from back in the day that trump the 320CBRs of today, and have gotten away w' those as well. But that's not the point. Every DJ should strive to present the best quality sound to his/her audience. It's because of the years of Lossy tracks being represented that kids have lost their ear for quality sounding tracks. Think back to the day before the MP3 was popularized....like LTJ Bukem's "Demon's Theme", "Atlantis", or "Horizon's" ... those tracks sounded AMAZING on vinyl.....that's the sound I wish to put out to the kids through ScratchLIVE.
I have been buying FLAC for about 4 years now. All w' the hope that Serato would come to their senses and give us the ability to play the most "standardized" Lossless format out there. So far, I've been disappointed.

The reason I repeatedly posted the demands for FLAC support was because Sean was in here, and he was posting many times, praising Rane for their accomplishment of the SL4. You said that I should make a request for FLAC, and that the "requests" thread would be the proper place for such a discussion. Well, I agree. However, seeing as that you suggested that, you obviously aren't privy to the thread that has existed for (6) years now, addressing this very subject.

have a gander at this - www.serato.com

It's been being requested since July of 2004!!!!

So seeing as I saw Sean (Serato) in here praising Rane for the SL4, which now supports 24bit/96khz, I thought I might be able to get his attention, and finally "force" a decision from Serato.

I've read your profile in the past, plus we know some of the same peeps in Atlanta...Phillip & Tara @ The Graveyard, My girls, Maggi Shulteiss & Kelly Hinson, so I know that you are no noob to the scene...that's why I was so shocked when you implied that I was obsessed w' playing to beard stoking audiophiles....lol!

Listen, I hate drama, but I am a very opinionated, and passionate person when it comes to features we've been asking for, for years. I would rather not have any beef w' kats on this forum, but at the same time, I'm not going to lie down in pressuring Serato to get w' the program regarding FLAC implementation.

I hope you now understand my position, and can understand why I posted the way I did.
Dj dOoOb_edstreme 1:54 PM - 15 January, 2011
Am I the only DJ here with a recording studio? NOT! The reason they have to bump up the quality of the digital realm in audio is " to make it sound close to sounding ANALOG". Listen to live music fat bass, then listen to your MP3's highest compression on any dj gears. CD gave up on 16bit,44khz and people bought it and got use to it. I think Serato should just focus on the other dj's need rather than pushing the sound quality which is maxed out already for the audience years ago.
kryptonitednb 8:45 PM - 15 January, 2011
Oh I totally understand the reasoning behind it. Unfortunately I think we (djs) are the only ones who care. ;)
blackavenger 11:05 AM - 16 January, 2011
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well the way around that limitation is to split the line coming from the turntable. you could get some rca splitters from radio shack or you could use the native instruments multicore audio cables. thats how i used one pair of turntables with both a TTM57SL with scratch live and my friend's traktor scratch pro setup.

No offense... of course you can get piggy backs, splitters and all that.

But... you're paying $900/$2600 for top of the line, quality technical equipment.

Having to use piggybacks/splitters is not only inadequate, its also unprofessional IMHO.


Yeah, if I have to use splitters, I'd rather just Daisy-Chain the traditional way. I hope someone from Rane/Serato will come in here and answer this for us. Despite my (sometimes) harsh criticism, I am still a continually supportive customer, and still promote ScratchLIVE to the community.....hell, I know for a fact that I have convinced 11 DJs to buy SL1's. SL3's, and 57SL's, respectively.

I (we) would appreciate an answer, Yall.
Konix 4:37 PM - 16 January, 2011
blackavenger, is this what you're talking about... dl.dropbox.com
blackavenger 5:17 PM - 16 January, 2011
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EXACTLY!!!! Love the schematic too...haha!
Free Man 5:39 PM - 16 January, 2011
seems possible to me... why not?
nik39 5:56 PM - 16 January, 2011
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Yep.

This is possible cause each input source maps exactly to one static output source.

If you have two djs, each with two audio sources (4 in total) and you want to play back to back, but each should have their own dedicated channels on the mixer, then you can't just use two turntables. You need to have 4 turntables.
DJ_SCOOBY 6:03 PM - 16 January, 2011
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seems possible to me... why not?

Yep.

This is possible cause each input source maps exactly to one static output source.

If you have two djs, each with two audio sources (4 in total) and you want to play back to back, but each should have their own dedicated channels on the mixer, then you can't just use two turntables. You need to have 4 turntables.


or you could have two turntables, one 4 channel mixer, splitters for the turntables, and use internal mode when needed
nik39 6:05 PM - 16 January, 2011
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scroll up ;)
Free Man 6:09 PM - 16 January, 2011
is usb 1 for channels 1 and 2? and usb 2 is for channel 3 and 4?
DJ_SCOOBY 6:10 PM - 16 January, 2011
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*sigh*

scroll up ;)


lol thats why i said it haha
blackavenger 6:20 PM - 16 January, 2011
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seems possible to me... why not?

Yep.

This is possible cause each input source maps exactly to one static output source.

If you have two djs, each with two audio sources (4 in total) and you want to play back to back, but each should have their own dedicated channels on the mixer, then you can't just use two turntables. You need to have 4 turntables.


Ahh, I think I finally understand what you've been saying having just read the link you posted, Nik.....and I'm pretty bummed about too. Damn, I gained one possible scenario and lost another. So, as it stands now, it is a very complicated process on the 68, and possibly not even an available option, on the SL4 to have 2 DJs/2 Laptops/2 Turntables, w' 1 Soundcard (SL4) & (68), is that correct?

Whereas you were just requesting an easier option for switch-overs w' the 68, you are saying it might not even be possible w' the SL4.....boy I'm still a bit confused!! Audio Routing is DEFINITELY not my strong suit....LOL!
blackavenger 6:26 PM - 16 January, 2011
^ or would the same process used in the 68 be the way to accomplish this in the SL4 as well ^ ?? Only just as complicated?

Sorry for being so ignorant.
nik39 6:53 PM - 16 January, 2011
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The thing is... there is no such thing as routing on the 68.

If you could draw something like Konix I could tell you whether this works currently or not.
djcsmv 7:01 PM - 16 January, 2011
Its almost like this I believe Watchwww.youtube.com
Konix 7:13 PM - 16 January, 2011
If you want two DJs with only one setup (two turntables+mixer)... dl.dropbox.com,

then I assume it will work the same as the 68. You'll have to constantly be deactivating/activating channels on each computer. Not difficult by any means, just annoying to have to constantly switch and keep track of which computer has control of which channel.
DJ_Gr0wTesK 7:17 PM - 16 January, 2011
Does sl not allow switching of time code control? In traktor you can control all 4 decks with a single turntable. When you switch time code control off of a deck it automatically goes into.internal mode. Is this not possible in serato?
nik39 7:20 PM - 16 January, 2011
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Does sl not allow switching of time code control? In traktor you can control all 4 decks with a single turntable. When you switch time code control off of a deck it automatically goes into.internal mode. Is this not possible in serato?

That's the point I am trying to deliver. You can't control the signal on output 4 with a source connected to input 1,2 or 3. It must be something connected to input 4.

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then I assume it will work the same as the 68. You'll have to constantly be deactivating/activating channels on each computer. Not difficult by any means, just annoying to have to constantly switch and keep track of which computer has control of which channel.

Not only annoying but also less than efficient. It's not fun playing back to back, ping-pong. because you have to go forth and back assigning, unassigning/releasing decks in SL.
blackavenger 7:21 PM - 16 January, 2011
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If you want two DJs with only one setup (two turntables+mixer)... dl.dropbox.com,

then I assume it will work the same as the 68. You'll have to constantly be deactivating/activating channels on each computer. Not difficult by any means, just annoying to have to constantly switch and keep track of which computer has control of which channel.


Thanks, Konix...that's what I was trying to say, and exactly what I was asking. I now have the answers I was seeking :)

I suppose the next course of action is to get Nik's request noticed, and implemented by Serato.
Konix 7:30 PM - 16 January, 2011
No problem blackavenger, we're here to help. So in summary;

Two DJs, two setups = no problems

Two DJs, one setup = doable, but annoying constant switching like the 68
blackavenger 8:00 PM - 16 January, 2011
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No problem blackavenger, we're here to help. So in summary;

Two DJs, two setups = no problems

Two DJs, one setup = doable, but annoying constant switching like the 68


Yes. So what do you think is the likelihood they'll devise/implement a better way of making the switch? Do you think they'll ignore it like FLAC & KEYLOCK since it's not a flashy feature, and because (in their eyes) it's already been implemented, just not optimally?

I have to admit, with this feature being so cumbersome to apply, it has diminished my "barely containable" excitement for getting/using the SL4 :/
nik39 8:02 PM - 16 January, 2011
I think they try to keep it simple. One-to-one mapping, like Serato does with Itch ;)

One Input correspondends to only one output.

Stupid and simple. And limiting. I hope they change this.
deezlee 9:15 PM - 16 January, 2011
so i'm, sorta confused. 0ne set of tables, one 2 channel mixer, one sl4 box... normal setup. Next Dj arrives, plugs his computer into the second usb, then how do we switch over? Hit the through button on the software i guess?
djcsmv 9:35 PM - 16 January, 2011
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so i'm, sorta confused. 0ne set of tables, one 2 channel mixer, one sl4 box... normal setup. Next Dj arrives, plugs his computer into the second usb, then how do we switch over? Hit the through button on the software i guess?


Say he is using usb 1 and mixing on left channel. You come and plug in usb 2 then he will have to release channel 2 (click in scratch live and turn off the right channel from usb 1) you enable channel 2 in scratch live, then one you mix in he releases channel 1 within scratch live you enable it on your computer. I know it's a simple change but still a pain
djcsmv 9:36 PM - 16 January, 2011
nik feel free to correct me if i'm wrong LOL
DJ_Gr0wTesK 9:56 PM - 16 January, 2011
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Does sl not allow switching of time code control? In traktor you can control all 4 decks with a single turntable. When you switch time code control off of a deck it automatically goes into.internal mode. Is this not possible in serato?

That's the point I am trying to deliver. You can't control the signal on output 4 with a source connected to input 1,2 or 3. It must be something connected to input 4.

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then I assume it will work the same as the 68. You'll have to constantly be deactivating/activating channels on each computer. Not difficult by any means, just annoying to have to constantly switch and keep track of which computer has control of which channel.

Not only annoying but also less than efficient. It's not fun playing back to back, ping-pong. because you have to go forth and back assigning, unassigning/releasing decks in SL.


that sucks. One of my favorite features of traktor is controlling multiple decks from the same turntable
smokeyjoe 7:16 PM - 17 January, 2011
For those of you in the uk

www.djstore.com

Bit of a price difference to what was quoted $899
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:20 PM - 17 January, 2011
ouch!!! but then again the sl-3 was £899 when it first came out then a couple months later it was £529!!!
DJ_Gr0wTesK 3:38 AM - 18 January, 2011
am I reading that right at almost 1600 USD?
geeunot 3:51 AM - 18 January, 2011
900 usd
DJ_Gr0wTesK 3:53 AM - 18 January, 2011
im talking about the UK price
ninjagaijin 3:53 PM - 21 January, 2011
when the heck is the program going to support 96khz wav files? I have some 192khz 128bit mastered wav files... :P
Hi-Tek 4:02 PM - 21 January, 2011
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when the heck is the program going to support 96khz wav files? I have some 192khz 128bit mastered wav files... :P


as soon as its ready
Dubplate10" 4:04 PM - 21 January, 2011
700 sovs!!!!!!
smokeyjoe 7:48 PM - 21 January, 2011
Ok the price has dropped by £300 it was listed £999 5 days ago.....
kpcannon 3:28 AM - 16 March, 2011
I can only find it for $899 and I really really want to upgrade my sl1 box. The price is too damn high though! I value the little metal box at an already heavy price of $399-$599. $899 is crazy. Are oil prices affecting the cost of production or something? Why the heavy increase in price? I can't even handle it.
djdannyd 3:35 AM - 16 March, 2011
these guys were offering $100 off a while back. I'd contact them if interested.
thedjhookup.com
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:33 AM - 16 March, 2011
Or buy an sl-3 do u really need four decks?
blackavenger 12:02 PM - 16 March, 2011
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Or buy an sl-3 do u really need four decks?


I personally do not need 4 decks, nor do I want to use 4 decks, yet I am still buying the SL4. 16 more days, Y'all....I wonder if they'll make the proposed deadline?
LJ_WOOLSEY 12:19 PM - 16 March, 2011
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Or buy an sl-3 do u really need four decks?


I personally do not need 4 decks, nor do I want to use 4 decks, yet I am still buying the SL4. 16 more days, Y'all....I wonder if they'll make the proposed deadline?

LOL why would you buy something you dont need or will use? thats like buying a lorry but you only need a car. Well then you just have to pay the high price of something you will never use. very strange. but each to there own. have fun.
blackavenger 1:14 PM - 16 March, 2011
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LOL why would you buy something you dont need or will use?


No, I said I have no use for mixing with "4" decks.....though, I totally have use for the SL4.

I will use (3) of the channels w' (2) Techs & (1) CDJ for mixing. Then use the 4th channel for Bridge. Finally, I'll use Aux in/out for Record, and SP-6, respectively.

I'll then have the (2) USB ports for tag sessions/easy transfers with other DJs when I play out.

I've been requesting something like the SL4 since I first bought ScratchLIVE over 5 years ago....I can't wait til' it drops :)
LJ_WOOLSEY 1:27 PM - 16 March, 2011
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LOL why would you buy something you dont need or will use?


No, I said I have no use for mixing with "4" decks.....though, I totally have use for the SL4.

I will use (3) of the channels w' (2) Techs & (1) CDJ for mixing. Then use the 4th channel for Bridge. Finally, I'll use Aux in/out for Record, and SP-6, respectively.

I'll then have the (2) USB ports for tag sessions/easy transfers with other DJs when I play out.

I've been requesting something like the SL4 since I first bought ScratchLIVE over 5 years ago....I can't wait til' it drops :)

haha yep you have use for it lol.
DJ TOGTFO 12:22 AM - 6 April, 2011
@kryptonitedb... let me know when youre about to unload that SL3 Box.
reggae delgado 12:33 AM - 6 April, 2011
what's a lorry? Is that a truck? I've always been confused by that one.
The Return of Dj Sparky 12:34 AM - 6 April, 2011
ha ha , yea its a truck as you yanks would say
reggae delgado 12:54 AM - 6 April, 2011
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ha ha , yea its a truck as you yanks would say


Thanks! I may be a veteran DJ but I'm a newbie at non-american english!
Dj Wunder 10:51 PM - 16 September, 2011
Hey boys, I'm looking for a 4-channel to pair up with my sl4 sera.to

Can anyone add their feedback on the denon dn-x1600 to that thread?
The Return of Dj Sparky 11:08 PM - 16 September, 2011
why not just start a thread instead of asking on every other thread about this mixer?
Dj Wunder 2:10 AM - 17 September, 2011
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why not just start a thread instead of asking on every other thread about this mixer?


I did start a thread, and in every other thread where I posed the question, I provided a link to the thread I started, so as not to hijack the thread I was asking in. Take a look at the post above yours, there's a link to my thread, and a request that any responses go to that thread, so as to ensure minimal threadjacking. I've heard that it drives traffic to your question to post a thread link in similar, popular topics. I dunno, maybe that's crazy. Hope your weekend cheers you up Spark!
The Return of Dj Sparky 2:15 AM - 17 September, 2011
the bottle of rum i'm drinking is putting a smile on my face, best of luck with what ever mixer you choose
Dj Wunder 2:27 AM - 17 September, 2011
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the bottle of rum i'm drinking is putting a smile on my face, best of luck with what ever mixer you choose



Excellent, Yeah I hate mixer shopping cuz they last so long, I gotta make a decision I'll be happy with for years!
ninjagaijin 7:06 AM - 9 June, 2013
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the bottle of rum i'm drinking is putting a smile on my face, best of luck with what ever mixer you choose



Excellent, Yeah I hate mixer shopping cuz they last so long, I gotta make a decision I'll be happy with for years!


I went Xone 92.
eugguy 2:29 AM - 30 August, 2013
There is an amazing deal for an SL4 on amazon. Someone should buy this! I picked one up. There is one left for $539.10.
nana soliano 5:56 AM - 6 June, 2014
Hi,



My company is interested to purchasing the RANE SL4 that comes with the serato software and to be used with our CDJ 2000 players that we have. My boss concern is where will our music data bank be safe and played from when using the SL4? will the music be saved in the SL4 or on our macs and window laptops?



Looking forward to many replys and help as we are not professional dj's but our main concern here is we would like to protect all our music collection and do not want anyone when handling our computers during events ( for playing background music or selected songs ) to copy out our songs.



Thanks all!!



NANA

:)
blackavenger 8:09 AM - 6 June, 2014
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My boss concern is where will our music data bank be safe and played from when using the SL4? will the music be saved in the SL4 or on our macs and window laptops?

LOL. Yes, the SL4 will require that you use a computer. The SL4 is merely a soundcard. It has no way of retaining your music library. Perhaps you should consider buying a Pioneer Nexus setup instead. That way you don't need any computer.....just CDs or Flashdrives.
nana soliano 1:11 PM - 6 June, 2014
hi,

thanks for the reply :)

sorry for being such a noob here on the sl4..hehehehe..

we do have the cdj 2000 nexus with us and currently when having events we use pen drives on the nexus to play back music with the player. my boss thought that with the sl4, it could also work as a hard disk that keeps all our music. as mentioned he do not want to use the normal hard disk to computer and playback via computer as when we leave our sound desk to other people to handle ( we also have part time crew with us ), they have the habit of copying our music from our external hard disk.

so my boss thinks that with rane sl4, we do not need to store our musics in our computer or hard disk, all will be stored with the sl4.

thanks for the advice that its just a sound card

:)

cheers
blackavenger 1:25 PM - 6 June, 2014
You're welcome.