I'd be happy if they just made an Empath with the magnetic faders instead of the P&G ones

Why so Soo? The P&Gs are among the finest available (especially sound quaility wise). I understand the benefits of magnetic in terms of longevity, but how else do they compare?

pretty much just for the longevity honestly.

I'm just sick of the division between battle mixers and scratch mixers and would like to see more hybrid style mixers or club mixers that are still suitable to cut and scratch on.

And honestly, a big reason of why I want a Rane is the much-vaunted magnetic fader, but at the same time, I'd love to be able to mix on 3 decks using just one mixer...

Here's my idea, visually, of what the Empath SL should look like...

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naturally, some things found on the original Empath had to be removed to keep it all within a 10" mixer format.

what came into the existing Empath format was the 57's control layer, and 57 style input switching, as well as 57 style flex fx buttons (rather than dry wet sliders)

what went out were the pan knobs (changed to sliders... i always hated that pan knob on the Empath, i'd grab it often thinking it was gain, so for the purpose of an Empath SL, i'd prefer it on a slider), the dry/wet flex sliders went out, the cue EQ, the EQ on/off switches, The flex send/return sliders, Cd triggers, aux cue, auto gain (because most of this stuff is available in the 57 internally), and the P&G logo is gone, as i would prefer a magnetic fader on the x-fader at least but preferably all faders.

Orientation of the P1/P2 encoders are a little diff than the 57, and the cue buttons are closer to the faders to accomodate the SL control layer.

The way the channel input switches are designed is with USB bandwidth from SL in mind, meaning you can't have more than 2 digital stereo streams and you can't have 1 stream sent to any more than 2 channels. I "think" this is how it would have to be implemented, but i am not sure.

I don't think the kill switches are necessary, if it were a 12" mixer, then yea but otherwise i think those clutter it up too much --- plus -- the eq knobs can kill if you need that.
The curve adjustments as found on the 57 would be nice, i love those SO much... perhaps they could be put on the front of the mixer by the headphone/footswitch jacks.

So yea, thats my dream mixer... basically the love child of an empath and a 57sl.

of course, 4 channels in a 12" mixer size with added s/pdif ins for CDJs would be 100% ideal, i reckon that would look more like a wide TTM57 than an empath. Would probably come in at $2300 USD retail too... but i dare say it would fast become the new standard of DJ mixers.

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Yes...Yes.....nowgive me a tissue so I can clean myself off!


NICETY!

wheres the automix button?

I'm feeling the split cue.....

I wouldnt spend over $1k on a mixer without individual channel meters.

ah yes, i knew i forgot something... a meter for the 3rd channel.
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I would buy this mixer....seriously. This of course has XLR outs in addition to the 1/4 and RCA's...right? Also, kick in adjustable LAG, and we've got a deal.

dude i've been dreaming about this for so long but seeing that picture made it worse!!! i want that shit so bad.

yep - just add usb port: www.rane.com

i like it but I'd rather see the pan faders cut and have the send/return faders stay - i love those things...

so long as its a digital mixer like the TTM57SL, ideally this would be software configurable... having the option between pan and send/return.

even better - i never use pans ever. The thing i like the most about the empath is the individual faders for fx send/return on each of the channels.

Dedicated transforms would be nice too (i.e. not line-switchers)

thats the way J1 and J2 work... as found on the TTM57SL
you push them in and they change from controllers to transforms.

I think its cool...but do you think since the mixer has SL1 incorporated into it, there would be an issue with having 3 channels as opposed to 2? Since SSL only runs 2 channels. Like say you want to run your techs on #1 and #3, how does the mixer/software change channels?

Just a Thought.

^ he included a line assignment knob on the mixer. Chances are SSL will default to 1 and 3, but you can set the lines to whichever input you desire.

all i can say is familiarize yourself with the TTM57SL..

Oh I see it now. So that would work with two of the channels being on B and one on A? Im only asking because im curious if there would be problems having 3 assigned channels when the software is only compatible with 2.

thats dope the software will have 3 decks also?

I've played with the 57 and think its a great mixer.

i don't think so... it leaves the middle channel open for a multitude of other possible shit.

well again, this is all theoretical, but ideally the 3rd channel would just be reserved for a 3rd deck - be it another turntable or CDJ - people would actually (gasp) consider pulling out vinyl again :o.

i like the 3 deck option better since you could do both digital and analog with that but good idea either way

De LA, i see what you are getting at now.

say for instance you set it up this way...

Ch1 - D1
Ch2 - D2
Ch3 - D2

Once you chose Digital 2 as your 3rd digital stream on Ch.3, it would disable Ch.2's digital input. As only 2 streams from the computer are possible.

this could be seen by making the input #'s light up for the Digital inputs, as well as the control inputs on the 57.

right. And then you might need a channel selector like the pio 600 has. I think the idea of 1 & 3 being for ssl and 2 being for an extra deck only is the way it would need to be.

but a soft overide would allow you to use any combination

1&2 1&3 2&3

i would prefer it that way because my 3rd deck/cdj varies in position. I prefer to set up my channels in the order in which they are physically positioned from left to right.
i.e. CDJ/TT-Serato1/TT-Serato2 would be Ch1.-A1. Ch2.-D1. Ch3.-D2.

yeah having the default 1&3 would not be enough it'd be limiting the jammy jam.

that's a great idea....can wait to see this coming..haha

I have been thinking about a 3 channel mixer for use with SSL alot lately. I am considering even going so far as to pick up a used Empath and seeing if it would be possible to Akiem-style Frankenstein in an SL1 to make it myself...

:-/ Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Took AdamJay's and "rotarized" it.

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Very nice. I hope Rane is paying attention.

Me too. I'd buy a rotary SSL Empath in a heartbeat!!!

keep us posted if you do that. i have an empath but i'm not tryin to take it apart really... just interested.

im just surprices they never came out with a rotary kit for the 56.

I've been looking into the djm800...its looks tight with the rotary.

Check mate!!!

A buddy of mine just sent me this one yesterday.

Check mate!!!

A buddy of mine just sent me this one yesterday.
www.soulsonica.com

www.soulsonica.com

Oooooo. Me likes!!! I like the full A/B controls!!!

Perfect!

hopefully rane sees this

This is not a Rane forum, and Serato apparently have new partners now :(

I'll keep my SL1 and my Empath for the moment ;)

mike on pssl's recent webcast said they are not going to have anything like this anytime soon. bummer!! :(

I don't think the Itch thing has any impact on Serato's relationship with Rane. It's an entirely different product line.

defo- a 3 channel serato mixer would ROCK....with the new magnatic faders, still setup so scratch djs would use it but with that xtra channel and 3 channel scratch live software.....

DEFO +99999999999999999999999999999999999999

Rotary ttm57sl is my dream mixer, I just pulled out my empath rotary so I can use the 57sl fo video and I really miss the rotary knobs

my thoughts if rane/serato would have put out a sl empath instead of this itch crap they would be killing in sales..everybody wants one.

my sugestion fire the person incharge of marketing..

lol

I just want to knobs off the rotary Empath. I saw where someone switched their TTM57 knobs with it (looked sick).

im with gaffle! LOL

you can order them from rane!! not that hard

For parts orders, email: kellyw@rane.com or call 425-355-6000.

I really don't have any intentions of buying a 57sl but if this Empathsl goes out count me in.

same here!!

The time that I said "this is not the product announcement I was hoping for" (or words to that effect in one of the early Itch threads) an SL-Empath and/or an update to the MP-44 including SL and/or the "pro" SL interface I feature-requested 2-1/2 years ago was exactly what I had in mind.