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Nobama

stevie o 1:09 AM - 29 October, 2010
It's been 2 years. Is it still too soon? Is Bush still to blame? Just wondering. I can wait another 2 years.

Yes I am bored.

The pot is stirred.

The can of worms is open.

Keep it civil.
Nicky Blunt 4:52 AM - 29 October, 2010
In polotics things don't happen immediately, yes its been two years of obama trying to pull the usa out of the hole bush put them in due to the war for oil. I mean the war on terror.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:49 PM - 29 October, 2010
....and so it begins again
CMOS 1:53 PM - 29 October, 2010
As much as you dont like Obama, do you think we would have been better off right now with McCain at the helm? I dont. I think we'd still be in the same mess. But i cant argue with yall, i dont follow politics as much as youz.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:56 PM - 29 October, 2010
personally im getting everything i expected from him, he passed the healthcare bill and things havet continued to plummet, at the rate things were going under bush even a leveling out of the progress is a success to me. No president will ever come in and revolutionize everything and even if that could happen it wouldnt happen overnight. The game is to entrenced up there and the good ole repubs proved that by forming a wall against progress not because of the consequences but because of the name of the party that progress would have represented. This shows what the system is designed for and its not for the betterment of the country its for personal gain which comes from a successful party.
DJ GaFFle 2:01 PM - 29 October, 2010
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personally im getting everything i expected from him, he passed the healthcare bill and things havet continued to plummet, at the rate things were going under bush even a leveling out of the progress is a success to me. No president will ever come in and revolutionize everything and even if that could happen it wouldnt happen overnight. The game is to entrenced up there and the good ole repubs proved that by forming a wall against progress not because of the consequences but because of the name of the party that progress would have represented. This shows what the system is designed for and its not for the betterment of the country its for personal gain which comes from a successful party.

Very well stated M. Bezzle... +1
lvmez 3:00 PM - 29 October, 2010
people quickly forget the MESS bush put this counrty in. it will take long time for the is country to turn around.
DJ Sniffles 4:12 PM - 29 October, 2010
Fuck Obama. I'm ready for people to vote Ron Paul 2012!

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Dj-M.Bezzle 4:37 PM - 29 October, 2010
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Fuck Obama. I'm ready for people to vote Ru Paul 2012!

Don't forget....... Ru Paul 2012.



























































































































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its good to see he\she has a strong fan base
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:38 PM - 29 October, 2010
and dont forget



























THE RENT IS TOO DAMN HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DJ Dac 4:56 PM - 29 October, 2010
did everyone forget the subprime thing was clintons doing...
Banana_Peter 7:17 PM - 29 October, 2010
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did everyone forget the subprime thing was clintons doing...


I love Clinton. He can cum on my t-shirt anytime
stevie o 7:28 PM - 29 October, 2010
^ holy dale alert
stevie o 7:30 PM - 29 October, 2010
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As much as you dont like Obama, do you think we would have been better off right now with McCain at the helm? I dont. I think we'd still be in the same mess. But i cant argue with yall, i dont follow politics as much as youz.


Mcain wouldnt triple the National debt, would have a stronger policy on the war and immigration and would act like a professional. He would atleast wear a tie.

just sayin
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:40 PM - 29 October, 2010
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As much as you dont like Obama, do you think we would have been better off right now with McCain at the helm? I dont. I think we'd still be in the same mess. But i cant argue with yall, i dont follow politics as much as youz.


Mcain wouldnt triple the National debt, would have a stronger policy on the war and immigration and would act like a professional. He would atleast wear a tie.

just sayin



yes and wed also have a reality TV show being filmed in the whitehouse thanks to his VP...if she didnt quit by now already
stevie o 7:47 PM - 29 October, 2010
I have nothing good to say about her
Banana_Peter 7:48 PM - 29 October, 2010
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I have nothing good to say about her


lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:53 PM - 29 October, 2010
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I have nothing good to say about her



lol, i know from my posts here i look like an avid obama supporter, its not so, i just look at the options of mcain VS obama and i have to seriously question the judgment of anyone who meets sarah palin and goes "theres a great candadate for the 2nd highest position in the word, im going to attach that wagon to my train to get me to the finish line"

I mean it took what 1 interview to show the world she was a fucking lunatic, his vetting proces shoulda not only disqualified her but put her on watch as a public menace
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:55 PM - 29 October, 2010
its only a matter of time before she gets caught paying a mexican to commit a crime so her cause can declare full war on the muslims in russia
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:56 PM - 29 October, 2010
that bitch is going to turn into cobra commander
stevie o 8:12 PM - 29 October, 2010
This isn't about her. Its about my predictions about the inexperenced community organizer that you guys voted for. I took months of abuse like a man over this topic and am just wondering if He is doing a good job in your opinions.

good times
DJ Dac 8:33 PM - 29 October, 2010
Mccain pissed me off, he is one of the long time Moderates in office, this election nonsense made him swing wide right, and then he picked up palin, as soon as she came on board i was sure he wouldnt win... but do you really think biden is a much better VP????, there both worthless...
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:59 PM - 29 October, 2010
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This isn't about her. Its about my predictions about the inexperenced community organizer that you guys voted for. I took months of abuse like a man over this topic and am just wondering if He is doing a good job in your opinions.

good times



I think hes doing a pretty good job, as i said before i wasnt expecting alot of him all together, no more than any other president but hes doing what he said and hes working with what hes got, especially since for the 1st year or so he was in office the repubs just buckled down and screamed NO to anything he said like spoiled children. Any president is going to have a side of people supporting him and a side of people whos only goal in life is to try and make him look foolish and this ones no exception. An example of this is a few posts up where you mentioned Mccain would have wore a tie, thats nitpicking at its finest and if you major complaint about the man centers on his fashion choices i think thats a good sign.

He passed the healthcare thing which i think was an amazing accomplishment, the economy leveled off and picked back up faster than most economists predicted, the gulfs been cleaned up and the fish are safe to eat again, we pulled out troops, we havent had a major attack on our soil besies a few lunatic gunmen with min casulties.

Have i seen him walk on water and bring an age of peace and prosperity to mankind......no, but i wasnt expecting that, what i was expectin was a pretty educated guy to come into office, not create any embarrasing public scandals who would listen to those around him and try to make the best\most educated choices he can make.....not choices based of fanatical beliefs and heartfelt emotions but choices based on education, logic, and real world stats and i think i got that. Did his inexperience show through, sure it did there were a few minor gaffs that a more seasoned vet wouldnt have fallen prey too (beer summit per sey) but nothing that in any way was tragic or detramental to our country or societey, moreso they were great soundbytes and bulletpoints for the people who dont like him.

Also you say he was a community organiser with no experience, he was that yes but he WAS a senator as well, Mccain did not have any more presidential experience than Obama did, as a matter of fact I view Mccain as a soldier looking for a war to fight which i think in this political climate in the world is a very very dangerous person to have leading the group. Mccain himself said he didnt understand economics so i dont think he would have helped the economy much. I really believe if he had been elected we would have turned into ancient sparta, with no economy with full troop activation in not only iraq and afganastan but prob in iran and north korea, involved in a multi sided war we dont have the finances or manpower to win.


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but do you really think biden is a much better VP????, there both worthless...


both ARE worthless but at least biden knows how to shut the fuck up and lay low, if palin was the VP we be seeing her and Mccain arguing with each other at the podium to see whos going to address the nation and runnin ranshack in the whitehouse as if she was the man in charge. Did you see how she acted durring the compain, especially in the consession speech, she had NO IDEA where her boundried lie as a VP in her head she was running for president.
Logisticalstyles 9:06 PM - 29 October, 2010
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Very well stated M. Bezzle... +1


+2
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:15 PM - 29 October, 2010
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Its about my predictions about the inexperenced community organizer that you guys voted for. I took months of abuse like a man over this topic and am just wondering if He is doing a good job in your opinions.
good times


Heres my question back at you, if i remember right your main rally cry against obama was that he had no experience, in the next election does that mean that you will be supporting him now that he has more presidential experience than any of the other candidates running??
stevie o 9:21 PM - 29 October, 2010
Agreed very well stated Bezzle however there are So many things wrong with about your post. I really don't have time to get that far in depth. But here's a quickie, (no porn)

1) you admit right off the bat you didn't expect much from him yet you still voted for him. This is a far cry from The overwhelming support you showed back in 2008.

2) In my opinion the liberals including yourself in what you wrote love to blame the previous administration. (Republicans do the same) but that is irrelevant in this situation. You can't blame Bush forever. Obama knew the job he had ahead of him. It has been 2 years. Time to stop blaming Bush and do something on your own.

3) My issue with with Obama's dresscode is valid. He is the leader of the free world and should present himself in that way. That is self explanatory. It gives off a nonchalant demeanor to a man that should be all business. Thats all I have to say about that...
Also How come no one in the media (liberla controlled media) ever mentions Obama's work ethic? For example the amount of time he takes for vacation in Camp david? DIdn't Bush get crucified daily for his trips to Camp DAvid? Just saying. MAybe he should stop doing talk shows, playing basketball, going to basketball games, and vacation and do some work. All reasonable requests from a tax paying citizen of his President

4) I am split on healthcare always have been. I agree if someone breaks their leg in the street they should be able to get it fixed. I believe this to be true for all human beings regardless of their color creed and regardless of citizenship.
My issue is the business of it and the quality of care that is offered due to a national health care system. People in other countries with universal health do not get the same level of care that someone that gets to choose their doctor. There is nothing wrong with privatization of health care and there is especially nothing wrong with being able to choose your own doctor. Anyone regardless of political views should understand that.

5) He was a senator for 2 years and in that time he voted "present" to evey issue. That is the same as saying I have no opinion and am not voting. He was a lame duck senator. The whole time he was senator he was campaigning for President. That is not experience man.

Thats all for now. Thanks for keepin it civil
stevie o 9:25 PM - 29 October, 2010
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Its about my predictions about the inexperenced community organizer that you guys voted for. I took months of abuse like a man over this topic and am just wondering if He is doing a good job in your opinions.
good times


Heres my question back at you, if i remember right your main rally cry against obama was that he had no experience, in the next election does that mean that you will be supporting him now that he has more presidential experience than any of the other candidates running??


Thats Ludicrous (no rapper)
I firmly believe every US Presdent should have a Military Background and be a financial genius. Those are my 1st requirements when I choose a candidate I am gonna support. I know Bush's military is a joke but atleast he had military. I am not saying he was a good President, Just alot better than the media made him out to be
DJ Dac 9:32 PM - 29 October, 2010
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but do you really think biden is a much better VP????, there both worthless...


both ARE worthless but at least biden knows how to shut the fuck up and lay low, if palin was the VP we be seeing her and Mccain arguing with each other at the podium to see whos going to address the nation and runnin ranshack in the whitehouse as if she was the man in charge. Did you see how she acted durring the compain, especially in the consession speech, she had NO IDEA where her boundried lie as a VP in her head she was running for president.

Biden has no clue when to keep his mouth shut, obama has given him how many dirty looks for the things he says, im sure hes under presidential order to keep his mouth shut...

also on the health care, thanks to obamacare, when our health plan just renewed it went up, a lot, my kid that's on its way is now going to cost me 3grand more... awesome, i pay my taxes, taxes that went up again at the beginning of the year, now i have to pay an EXTRA 3 grand over what i was going to pay to have a kid... awesome.. hes doing a great job for the working class... its ok though, there going to loose all there power in about a week..
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:40 PM - 29 October, 2010
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1) you admit right off the bat you didn't expect much from him yet you still voted for him. This is a far cry from The overwhelming support you showed back in 2008.


This is incorrect, yes i overwelmingly supported him in 08, that dosent mean i expected much from him, it means i dispised the people he was running against, i didnt expect much from obama or any president but i DID expect a catastrophy if Mccain and Palin were elected.


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2) In my opinion the liberals including yourself in what you wrote love to blame the previous administration. (Republicans do the same) but that is irrelevant in this situation. You can't blame Bush forever. Obama knew the job he had ahead of him. It has been 2 years. Time to stop blaming Bush and do something on your own.


where did i blame bush, i listed the accomplishments that he has performed and im happy with them.

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) I am split on healthcare always have been. I agree if someone breaks their leg in the street they should be able to get it fixed. I believe this to be true for all human beings regardless of their color creed and regardless of citizenship.
My issue is the business of it and the quality of care that is offered due to a national health care system. People in other countries with universal health do not get the same level of care that someone that gets to choose their doctor. There is nothing wrong with privatization of health care and there is especially nothing wrong with being able to choose your own doctor. Anyone regardless of political views should understand that.



The level of service your getting from your Dr isnt going to change, just who pays for it and whos elegible to go. You mention the quality is not the same in other countries, canada is on that system and they have a great healthcare system. So good in fact that palin admitted she used to go across the border for her familys healthcare.

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5) He was a senator for 2 years and in that time he voted "present" to evey issue. That is the same as saying I have no opinion and am not voting. He was a lame duck senator. The whole time he was senator he was campaigning for President. That is not experience man.


Sure but that wasnt my question, durring the NEXT election he will have had 4 years of being an active sitting president who has made presidential decessions, ran a country, has relations with foreign powers, and basically has performed the duty of sitting president for 4 years. Durring that elesction he will have 4 years of active presidential experience under his belt whereas his compitition will have ZERO presidential experiece. Therefor regardless of his senate record (hes not going to be runing for senate) he will have more PRESIDENTIAL experience than anyone running. So now that he has the best qualifications will you be supporting him over his compition who had ZERO presidential experience?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:41 PM - 29 October, 2010
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I firmly believe every US Presdent should have a Military Background and be a financial genius. Those are my 1st requirements when I choose a candidate


yet you supported Mccain who openly addmitted he had no understanding on how an economy worked ....far from a fiancial genious
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:43 PM - 29 October, 2010
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Biden has no clue when to keep his mouth shut, obama has given him how many dirty looks for the things he says, im sure hes under presidential order to keep his mouth shut...



When has this happened cause to be honest i havent seen or heard from the man since he won the office.
DJ Dac 9:46 PM - 29 October, 2010
biden has spoke up a few times and has been shot down, i havnt heard a thing from him in the past 6 months or so... but as for palin going across the border... it wasnt for better health care, it was for free/cheaper healthcare since her fam was super poor back in the day...
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:47 PM - 29 October, 2010
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also on the health care, thanks to obamacare, when our health plan just renewed it went up, a lot, my kid that's on its way is now going to cost me 3grand more... awesome, i pay my taxes, taxes that went up again at the beginning of the year, now i have to pay an EXTRA 3 grand over what i was going to pay to have a kid... awesome.. hes doing a great job for the working class... its ok though, there going to loose all there power in about a week..


cant comment on that im not really up on that, all i know is im getting MORE money now than i was before. I cant comemnt on everyone but ive been hooked up and im def working class.
DJ Dac 9:49 PM - 29 October, 2010
whaaaaaaaaaaaa??? i dont make much, but i did have a federal tax increase jan 1st that took me back to what i was making a year ago in pay, it wasnt a huge amount, but his no taxes for the middle class thing was nonsense.. and now with health care skyrocketing they are taking and extra 300 out of my check every month EXTRA 300!!!!! thats a fuck ton of money to me...
stevie o 9:51 PM - 29 October, 2010
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I firmly believe every US Presdent should have a Military Background and be a financial genius. Those are my 1st requirements when I choose a candidate


yet you supported Mccain who openly addmitted he had no understanding on how an economy worked ....far from a fiancial genious


I supported Mcain because he is a patriot and has military experience, He believes in fiscal responsibilty and if he doesnt understand the economy he would hire someone that does. I also voted for him because his running mate HAS NO EXPERIENCE. If your response is what experience does Mcain have, He was a senator forever and knows the whats best for the country
DJ Dac 9:55 PM - 29 October, 2010
the only reason why obama won because everyone wanted out of the bush era. Dan Quayle's son ben is on the ticket here, he has NO experience in Arizona, never run for office, a COMPLETE fuck up, but, hes going to win because everyone one is sick of the dems in power.. what we really need, is a few great moderate leaders and will be ok... its cake time so im out... peace!
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:57 PM - 29 October, 2010
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I also voted for him because his running mate HAS NO EXPERIENCE.


that dosent even make any sense
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:00 PM - 29 October, 2010
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I supported Mcain because he is a patriot and has military experience, He believes in fiscal responsibilty and if he doesnt understand the economy he would hire someone that does. I also voted for him because his running mate HAS NO EXPERIENCE. If your response is what experience does Mcain have, He was a senator forever and knows the whats best for the country


Exactly why we DONT need him, hes yosamite sam, guns blazing gi joe the real american hero, We were already in 2 wars we didnt need to be in in the 1st place with 2 new countries itchin at the gums to get in the fre, the last thing we need if root em toot em mccain runnin in head 1st like an old school popeye cartoon.

The only thing i regret about obama winning is that the mccain palin supporters will never get the chance to SEE what a clusterfuck this country would have been had that ticket won
Free Man 1:02 AM - 30 October, 2010
Vote for me when I turn 35.

My campain slogan will be "No Bull Shit" Everyone will want a bumper sticker.

The unemployment rate will rise for people who have B.S. Govt funding, and they will be forced to really work for a living. There will be incentives to be employeed. I'll even work out a way to make an incentive for companies to have a lot of employees and to not outsource jobs over seas.

Fake Bombs from Yemen would be Return to Sender with real bombs in their place.

Seems like a good plan so far...
dj ask 4:42 PM - 30 October, 2010
HA! Bush destroyed the US, gave us hell, two wars, destroyed other countries, created ditrusst in the US around the world in the first term.

he got reelected thanks to people being afraid of not knowing how to get out of the problems HE put us in.

I dont believe in the US period. A country that blames undocumented people for it's ills. lol! ignorant fucks!
dj ask 4:49 PM - 30 October, 2010
all the youth is too busy with Brittney, Lil Wayne and all the stupid popularity and stardom seekers to give a shit about the real problems. while the Chinese sell us everything and makes us slave our youth is rotting caring too much about sex and drugs when it is in our youth that the power lies to transform and move this country forward!

where is our green energy revolution that could turn everything around in months? where is more money for school to help EVERYONE learn and be able to open small businesses? where is the small business loans!?

Most countries with Universal health care are happy to pay higher taxes because at least no one dies in a hospital because they cant afford to pay!

WAKE THE FUCK UP AND CUT THE CRAP! YOU ALL WANT TO BE STARS!

IN NJ THEY VOTED TO GIVE UNDOCUMENTED STUDENTS IN STATE TUITION AND PEOPLE VOTED NO BECAUSE THEY ARGUED IT WAS GOING TO BRING "MORE COMPETITION"

MAYBE PEOPLE IN NJ NEED TO GET SOME BALLS AND EDUCATION TO NOT "FEAR" COMPETITION BUT INSTEAD EMBRACE IT AS MEANS OF GROWING AND PROGRESSING. FUCK!!!!!!!!!
DJ Sniffles 6:10 PM - 30 October, 2010
I read in a poll done for kids between the ages 16-18 what do they want to be when they grow up.

The answers were things like President, CEO of a 500 company, professor at an ivy league school, stuff like this......... and the other one was to be the assistant of a celebrity.

The assistant job get like 60% of the poll.
dj ask 6:27 PM - 30 October, 2010
this is a GREAT VIEW

www.wimp.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:48 PM - 31 October, 2010
MOBAMA

and

PROBAMA.

Thank you and come again.
DJ SPAIR 9:52 PM - 31 October, 2010
Yes. we should have all voted for McCain. He would have been our friend.

Watchwww.youtube.com
dj ask 10:26 PM - 31 October, 2010
i feared mc cain was going to start ww3
stevie o 11:48 PM - 31 October, 2010
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this is a GREAT VIEW

www.wimp.com


I want that 10 mins of my life back
stevie o 11:54 PM - 31 October, 2010
Watchwww.youtube.com

Sounds to me like Bush and Obama are both idiots.

57 states ftw
dj ask 12:37 AM - 1 November, 2010
if u spent 10 minutes on the video it must b because u were caught in it so STFU
dj ask 12:40 AM - 1 November, 2010
lol 57 states :D

but i want to see u drunkard in front of all those people speaking. u talk like u are so great STFU! u are the idiot/
ChrisD 12:55 AM - 1 November, 2010
dj ask, please keep the name calling out of your posts.

You may not agree with other forum members but that doesn't justify calling them idiots of telling them STFU.

Up to now this conversation has been entirely civil. Please don't derail it.
dj ask 12:59 AM - 1 November, 2010
so is it okay to call third parties idiot?
DJ TOGTFO 1:01 AM - 1 November, 2010
Obama's healthcare reform is a farce

yes. everyone will be covered

BUT,

-Doctors will be losing upto 40% of their salaries
-Health Insurance companies are now officially in bed with the gov't and will be making a shit ton of money
-Your insurance rates will go up and if you do not get health insurance, you will be penalized when tax season comes around


So the end result:
Everyone thinks they have health insurance now
Doctors will be pissed bc the gov't will be taking 40% of their income


I hate talking about poliTRICKS, bc it is essentially picking the lesser of two evils and trying to talk politics with 80% of this forum is like arguing with a 5 year old that knows nothing except for that Obama is black and the word "Hope". sigh
dj ask 1:03 AM - 1 November, 2010
where u get this "facts"? TOGTFO?

and yes chris d I do understand what u mean.
dj ask 1:07 AM - 1 November, 2010
obama promised immigration reform, and a push for renewable energy too that would create jobs. but then again u had the same people "republicons" who have pushed for a lot of sweetheart deals towards the corporations say NO NO NO NO NO to everything Obama tried to do so IDK man. Why would the same people that has traditionally given the most to corporations and expanded their clout fight against more sweetheart deals? unless of course they want to be the only ones giving them.. sigh
DJ TOGTFO 1:16 AM - 1 November, 2010
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where u get this "facts"? TOGTFO?


From my mom and my dad. And yes they are facts.
stevie o 2:24 PM - 1 November, 2010
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lol 57 states :D

but i want to see u drunkard in front of all those people speaking. u talk like u are so great STFU! u are the idiot/


DId your mother tell you I was drunk the other night? Tell her sorry for me please. It was supposed to be a quiet romantic night.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:42 PM - 1 November, 2010
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lol 57 states :D

but i want to see u drunkard in front of all those people speaking. u talk like u are so great STFU! u are the idiot/


DId your mother tell you I was drunk the other night? Tell her sorry for me please. It was supposed to be a quiet romantic night.


is that why it smelled like lavender when i got there???
stevie o 3:51 PM - 1 November, 2010
Haha awesome.

good times
dj ask 6:18 PM - 1 November, 2010
nope, the person at the place where u applied for a liquor license did.
bezzle stay out of this. your house smells like bleach. bleach is good for germs.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:54 PM - 1 November, 2010
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bezzle stay out of this. your house smells like bleach. bleach is good for germs.


did you just try to insult me by stating that i had a clean germ free house?? Interesting
sixxx 6:56 PM - 1 November, 2010
lol
stevie o 8:36 PM - 1 November, 2010
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nope, the person at the place where u applied for a liquor license did.
bezzle stay out of this. your house smells like bleach. bleach is good for germs.


Good one
DJ TOGTFO 1:55 AM - 2 November, 2010
your farts smell like sperm.
Free Man 12:32 PM - 2 November, 2010
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your farts smell like sperm.

TMI
Free Man 12:35 PM - 2 November, 2010
I heard a politician say that the new Obama plan is actually going to cause more work for doctors and increase their pay because now there will be ____ million more americans with health insurance.

I lost hope in the plan when Obama said that it was the greatest thing the govt has done since social security...

Considering all great ideas, I dont think that Obama Care comes close to sliced bread.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:19 PM - 2 November, 2010
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I lost hope in the plan when Obama said that it was the greatest thing the govt has done since social security...

Considering all great ideas, I dont think that Obama Care comes close to sliced bread.



Not taking one side or the other but just for conversations sake what are a few things the government has done that would top providing healthcare to 3 million people who were previously without
Free Man 2:00 PM - 2 November, 2010
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I lost hope in the plan when Obama said that it was the greatest thing the govt has done since social security...

Considering all great ideas, I dont think that Obama Care comes close to sliced bread.



Not taking one side or the other but just for conversations sake what are a few things the government has done that would top providing healthcare to 3 million people who were previously without


serious... arent we just paying for it out of taxes? Why couldn't those people have had it before? What makes you think they want to pay for it now?
Free Man 2:22 PM - 2 November, 2010
Something just clicked for me. In the begining i was unsure what Obama's motives were. I think that when someone is elected their priorities are with the people who funded their campain. McCain was in bed with the beer companies (literially, his wife's family owns blah blah blah) So something on his agenda was to lower the drinking age to 18... makes sense.

With Obama's wife working in coloring books at a Chicago hospital for up to 20 hours a week and making + $250,000 per year... I think that kind of goes to show where his $$$ is coming from, and where he owes some money back to...

and hence Obama care... the health plan that will make world peace possible. and every american healthy...
d:raf 6:41 PM - 2 November, 2010
stevie o 8:37 PM - 2 November, 2010
Watchwww.youtube.com

My favorite^
stevie o 8:41 PM - 2 November, 2010
another priceless clip

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Sniffles 3:38 AM - 3 November, 2010
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another priceless clip

Watchwww.youtube.com


She probably got evicted 3 months later and haven't moved her SUV in a year.
Nicky Blunt 2:33 PM - 3 November, 2010
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lol 57 states :D

but i want to see u drunkard in front of all those people speaking. u talk like u are so great STFU! u are the idiot/


DId your mother tell you I was drunk the other night? Tell her sorry for me please. It was supposed to be a quiet romantic night.


is that why it smelled like lavender when i got there???


Wait ur dating stevie? & His pad smelled of lavender??

hahahaha
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:48 PM - 3 November, 2010
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lol 57 states :D

but i want to see u drunkard in front of all those people speaking. u talk like u are so great STFU! u are the idiot/


DId your mother tell you I was drunk the other night? Tell her sorry for me please. It was supposed to be a quiet romantic night.


is that why it smelled like lavender when i got there???


Wait ur dating stevie? & His pad smelled of lavender??

hahahaha


no no no me and stevie are both doing asks mom.....im sure stevies place smells like hemroid cream lol
d:raf 4:13 PM - 3 November, 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:30 PM - 3 November, 2010
From the arguments and whining that im hearing i think the thing that obama\thedemocrats could be doing better is something that the republicans do GREAT and thats pounding on their chest making sure people know EVERYTHING they accomplish, it seems most americans dont look to deep into anything they just have knowledge of 3 minutes sound bytes fromt he news ststions so after every accomplishment its important to do a shit ton of press interviews for about a month....hell bush had a huge bush conference on an aircraft carrier to proclaim we won a war that wasnt ended until 2 years after he left office and people believed it because he made a spectical of it. Obama needs to stop making accomplishments and just moving onto the next problem and take some time to pund his chest and say ya fuckers we did that
pdidy 4:37 PM - 3 November, 2010
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where u get this "facts"? TOGTFO?


From my mom and my dad. And yes they are facts.

you must be very young, say around 16 maybe?
Free Man 4:47 PM - 3 November, 2010
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From the arguments and whining that im hearing i think the thing that obama\thedemocrats could be doing better is something that the republicans do GREAT and thats pounding on their chest making sure people know EVERYTHING they accomplish, it seems most americans dont look to deep into anything they just have knowledge of 3 minutes sound bytes fromt he news ststions so after every accomplishment its important to do a shit ton of press interviews for about a month....hell bush had a huge bush conference on an aircraft carrier to proclaim we won a war that wasnt ended until 2 years after he left office and people believed it because he made a spectical of it. Obama needs to stop making accomplishments and just moving onto the next problem and take some time to pund his chest and say ya fuckers we did that



Clinton still loves to tell people about how he did a great job. gives no credit to anything that reagan had done that benefited him.. he takes 100% full credit.

If anything the biggest bragging rights he has is shit he got away with and stayed in office...
pdidy 5:15 PM - 3 November, 2010
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It's been 2 years. Is it still too soon? Is Bush still to blame? Just wondering. I can wait another 2 years.


i believe your judgment is clouded by your political belief or you have very unrealistic expectations of a president. im not an obama fan but i am a realist an i call it like i see it. i NEVER seen a president given so many unrealistic expectations until obama was elected. why you may ask? high unemployment, racism an politically motivated by republicans. i dont think any person thinking rationally, that any president rep or dem, black or white can repair the extreme damage done to this country by bushs 8yrs in just 2yrs.THAT JUST AINT HAPPENING. you cant be serious? in fact i no you're NOT, I BELIEVE many Americans like you are motivated by something else. JUST SAYIN.
d:raf 6:10 PM - 3 November, 2010
Speaking of Reagan...

Watchwww.youtube.com
d:raf 6:13 PM - 3 November, 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:19 PM - 3 November, 2010
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Clinton still loves to tell people about how he did a great job. gives no credit to anything that reagan had done that benefited him.. he takes 100% full credit.

If anything the biggest bragging rights he has is shit he got away with and stayed in office...



EXACTLY and clinton is STILL one of the most popular democrats on the campain trail
Free Man 6:27 PM - 3 November, 2010
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It's been 2 years. Is it still too soon? Is Bush still to blame? Just wondering. I can wait another 2 years.


i believe your judgment is clouded by your political belief or you have very unrealistic expectations of a president. im not an obama fan but i am a realist an i call it like i see it. i NEVER seen a president given so many unrealistic expectations until obama was elected. why you may ask? high unemployment, racism an politically motivated by republicans. i dont think any person thinking rationally, that any president rep or dem, black or white can repair the extreme damage done to this country by bushs 8yrs in just 2yrs.THAT JUST AINT HAPPENING. you cant be serious? in fact i no you're NOT, I BELIEVE many Americans like you are motivated by something else. JUST SAYIN.



He made big promises... So where does everything fit? I see where you are coming from saying how much can you expect from someone... But when BIG CHANGE and miracles are promised, then don't we have the right to say ok... so wheres all this big change?

IMO the economy has improved because it typical economics. not because of anything Obama has done. But as a politician, he will take credit for it.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:31 PM - 3 November, 2010
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i believe your judgment is clouded by your political belief or you have very unrealistic expectations of a president. im not an obama fan but i am a realist an i call it like i see it. i NEVER seen a president given so many unrealistic expectations until obama was elected. why you may ask? high unemployment, racism an politically motivated by republicans. i dont think any person thinking rationally, that any president rep or dem, black or white can repair the extreme damage done to this country by bushs 8yrs in just 2yrs.THAT JUST AINT HAPPENING. you cant be serious? in fact i no you're NOT, I BELIEVE many Americans like you are motivated by something else. JUST SAYIN.


I agree 100% this is what i was saying at the begining of the thread and I think the some of the problem is that obama energized a base that really wasnt into politics, young people, alot of minorities\urbans (it was funney as hell to see all the DBoys running around the mall with their obama shirts on), people who had given up on the system and he energised them with a message of change. Most of these people really dont grasp the depth of how things work and expect things to come full circle the day he took office. And sinc ehe didnt come to each of their door with keys to a lambo a preapproved debit card and a job their pissed.

To me his "message of change we can believe in" WASNT a procclamation that he was going to bring about a utopia of peace and prosparity unparralled in the history of man, to me his message was that our country was a sinkin ship and he was gonna keep us above water long enough to put in measures to one day get us sailing again. And to me he did this, most economists agree that his policys helped turn the economy up from a downward spiral, the unemployment rate leveled off and even decreased in some areas, economists have said that they expected to be in this recession ALOT longer than we were, (this next one kills me) He passed a bill that completley revolutionized health care which is THE MAIN THING HE CAMPAINGED ON which the same people who voted him into office while basing his campain on this now dont like. he withdrew the troops from iraq, he shut down guantamo bay, the gulf WASNT destroyed its pretty much back to normal and all this with a republican group who refused to agree with ANYTHING he said. He could of proposed a bill that said it was wrong to put children in a wood chipper and the republicans would have came up with 50 reasons why you should throw em all in.
DJ Dac 6:37 PM - 3 November, 2010
clinton was the best, i mean, sup prime loans were the best idea ever, get everyone into a home that they really cant afford! yes i see nothing wrong with that!!!! oh,,, wait.....
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:38 PM - 3 November, 2010
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Most economists say we got out of the recession ALOT sooner than expected so that def wasnt a natual course.

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He made big promises... So where does everything fit? I see where you are coming from saying how much can you expect from someone... But when BIG CHANGE and miracles are promised, then don't we have the right to say ok... so wheres all this big change?


he made big promises and has been fulfilling them, his biggest promise was healthcare reform HE DID THAT, he promised to help the economy HE DID THAT. I dont think he ever promised a "miracle" but even if he did do you think that miracle would just happen overnight? Also how is one supposed to effect BIG CHANGE when you have large groups of people like the replublicans and the tea party who are headstrong resistant to change. Take the healthcare reform for instance that was a HUGE change, it hasent even been in effect for a year and republicans\teaparty\newcandidates\and over half the polutaltion want to put things back the way they were. You have to give new polictys time to work no policy no matter how great dosent affect the world until it has time to take effect, change what was there, build, and become what it was meant to be. You cant just pass a bill and the next morning go shit im not rich that didnt work lets repeal it.

Its like having a wife say we need to clean our closets\attic out but when you go through it everytime you try to throw something away she goes "NO I NEED THAT!!!"
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:39 PM - 3 November, 2010
Random question for everyone, what was the last "good\great" president you can think of, what was the last president to change the world for the better, what was the last president who did something to really help the people.

So far ive seen people bask on obama, then they bash on bush, they bring up all clintons fuckups, the old bush ect ect ect.
DJ Dac 6:43 PM - 3 November, 2010
carter... i kid, i kid...
Free Man 6:50 PM - 3 November, 2010
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clinton was the best, i mean, sup prime loans were the best idea ever, get everyone into a home that they really cant afford! yes i see nothing wrong with that!!!! oh,,, wait.....


So... when that shit hit the fan and the economy changed are you saying part of that was Clintons fault? Cause if people can't afford the homes they bought with money they didnt have, and the demand for houses went up also causing house prices to go up... that kind of sounds like it wasnt just bush and the republicans fault.

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Random question for everyone, what was the last "good\great" president you can think of, what was the last president to change the world for the better, what was the last president who did something to really help the people.

So far ive seen people bask on obama, then they bash on bush, they bring up all clintons fuckups, the old bush ect ect ect.


Presidents are in it for their own interest. not for the interest of the american people. Obama wanted the helthcare system to change because by causing millions of additional people to have coverage, then it will cause more $$$ for the health care system. and it is paid for by tax dollars of working people. I don't see how it wont make my taxes go up.

IMO it is by choice that those people are not covered by insurance. If i remember right an employer must offer insurance. But I dont think they are required to pay any certain percent toward the insurance.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:51 PM - 3 November, 2010
Another thing i think is funney was at the nd of Dubbyas 1st term people were all wandering if he had any clue what he was doing, he had a shitty approval rating but we reelected him hoping that he had a long term plan and if we have him enough time it would all come together, that was including a HUGE terrorist attack, 2 unjust unpopular wars and a Best of highlight reel of dumb shit hes done\said. With obama its like ok its been a year nothing bads happend but he obviously dosent know what hes doing because i havent seen a unicorn yet lets get rid of em
Free Man 6:56 PM - 3 November, 2010
Obama is a puppet just like Bush. He says what people tell him to say, he just is a better speaker than Bush.

The people who are in charge are the people who bought the presidents way into office.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:04 PM - 3 November, 2010
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Obama wanted the helthcare system to change because by causing millions of additional people to have coverage, then it will cause more $$$ for the health care system. and it is paid for by tax dollars of working people. I don't see how it wont make my taxes go up.


I dont see how I dont see where obama has an interest in that, neither he or his wife is in the medical field. But as far as your taxes (and ill admit right now i personally dont have a complete understanding on how it works or if this is right there are alot of people on the boards ALOT more qualified to answer this than me though i do have a bit of knowledge with it because i work in a tech company that deals with health insurance lol) going up your already getting your health care coverage taken out of your check (assuming you have it) the amount you pay depends on who your provider is, so the other people in that providers care form a pool. This pool of money is "in case shit happens money" odds are shit dosent happen to this pool fills more, then when something does happen it dips into the money youand others who havent had anything happen to for the money. Since every american in now in that pool, including the 3 million who werent putting towards the pool before, the pools deeper and can give yuo a lower rate than yuo would int he smallerpool, which also happened to be the pools whos major interest was deniing you care so they make a larger profit.

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yes but what you dont uderstand is that HURTS YOU! People who dont have insurance dont just get left in the street to die, the emergency room HAS TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. So when some fucker who is to good for health insurance falls down some stairs or is hit by a car ect ect they go to the emerency room. Those bills can EASILY pile up to WAY more than they can afford, were talking20 30 grand. These people will most likley NEVER pay that and the cost gets passed onto people who have health care as their rates increase to cover it and Drs raise their prices to cover such loss.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:05 PM - 3 November, 2010
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The people who are in charge are the people who bought the presidents way into office.



Very true but thats EVERY president, we dont live in a kingship so ANY presidential candidate who comes in with big promises is just saying what you want to hear because he can just wave a wand and be told yes, he has to deal with the house, the senate, congress ect ect ect ect
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Obama wanted the helthcare system to change because by causing millions of additional people to have coverage, then it will cause more $$$ for the health care system. and it is paid for by tax dollars of working people. I don't see how it wont make my taxes go up.


I dont see how I dont see where obama has an interest in that, neither he or his wife is in the medical field. But as far as your taxes (and ill admit right now i personally dont have a complete understanding on how it works or if this is right there are alot of people on the boards ALOT more qualified to answer this than me though i do have a bit of knowledge with it because i work in a tech company that deals with health insurance lol) going up your already getting your health care coverage taken out of your check (assuming you have it) the amount you pay depends on who your provider is, so the other people in that providers care form a pool. This pool of money is "in case shit happens money" odds are shit dosent happen to this pool fills more, then when something does happen it dips into the money youand others who havent had anything happen to for the money. Since every american in now in that pool, including the 3 million who werent putting towards the pool before, the pools deeper and can give yuo a lower rate than yuo would int he smallerpool, which also happened to be the pools whos major interest was deniing you care so they make a larger profit.


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yes but what you dont uderstand is that HURTS YOU! People who dont have insurance dont just get left in the street to die, the emergency room HAS TO TAKE CARE OF THEM. So when some fucker who is to good for health insurance falls down some stairs or is hit by a car ect ect they go to the emerency room. Those bills can EASILY pile up to WAY more than they can afford, were talking20 30 grand. These people will most likley NEVER pay that and the cost gets passed onto people who have health care as their rates increase to cover it and Drs raise their prices to cover such loss.



But that shit happens pool isnt going to just have emergancies taken out of it now... Now 3 million people who would only go to the Dr if they had to will also go there for anything. Now that shit happens pool has all of those emergencies coming out of it plus everything else.

I wonder if there will still be co-pays. I think that co-pays are a deturrent in a way... if the dr is going to say its a virus it will go away in a week thanks for the $30, i'm not as likely to go to the dr if i think that was what he'd say to me.
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im sure there will be
sixxx 7:34 PM - 3 November, 2010
Oranges are not plants.
Free Man 7:38 PM - 3 November, 2010
Need to take a look at the 3 million people who will have coverage and how much they will be paying in. I'm sure we can classify them into segments based on health level and income source. If it looks like they are going to cost more money then they generate that we can count on healthcare costs going up

If they dont have an income, they they still won't pay shit, and have coverage. and we pay the bill. But they can go in for anything now, and it doesnt have to be an emergency.
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It dosent have to be an "emergency" now, you can go to the emergency room for pretty much anything and if they dont have an income YOUR still footing the bill for it, at least with his plan 3 million more people are footing the bill.
Free Man 8:21 PM - 3 November, 2010
you dont get my point... That increases the amount that would get paid currently. And I dont think we really pay it now anyway. the hospitals write it off of their taxes. all that does is makes it so they dont have to pay taxes on a higher amount
d:raf 8:32 PM - 3 November, 2010
I have health insurance and I hate going to the doctor; not something i'd want to do "all the time" by any stretch of the imagination. On the other hand I have a hypochondriac friend who doesn't have insurance that goes anytime she "feels weird". Just sayin'.
DJ Michael Basic 9:48 PM - 3 November, 2010
I'm not going to repeat what I've said in these threads over and over. Bottom line is, this country is more polarized than it has ever been, and in worse shape in many ways than it's been in any of our lifetimes.

That adds up to blame for whoever is in power (in this case the democrats) for our ills. Anyone who says Obama hasn't done anything is either getting all their information from fox, or just not paying attention at all.

Obama has taken on HUGE tasks, and, in a watered down way, accomplished many of them. The president can only do so much, especially in an era when the filibuster is being used more than ever in the history of our country. The republicans have taken obstruction to a level we've never seen before in the history of our country. They have offered no substantive solutions, only things we've tried before, and seen fail, like tax cuts, trickle down style economics, etc. Think about it...

I want you naysayers to respond to this directly. When the bush tax cuts went into effect...where was the job growth republicans promise is a result of such policy? Our country lost jobs but the hundreds of thousands during the time when the richest were paying the lowest taxes in the history of our country.

You're absolutely right...it's been 2 years, and the jobless number is higher than anyone hoped for...but it's lower than people who know better...namely independent economists...said it would be. Our recovery is slow, but it's started. The recession is indeed over. Economists have stated time and time again that the stimulus worked...it staved off a depression, kept the unemployment rate below 10%, and if anything, it was too little. We should have spent tons more money on infrastructure. This would have created jobs in construction, building better roads and new public transportation would save us money on buying foreign oil, which, as everybody knows is a national security issue, etc. etc. the list goes on and on. Note that the recovery act also saved 300,000 teacher, police, firefigher etc. jobs that would have been lost without it. Again quantifiable.

Bottom line, I didn't expect anything to change overnight, or even any major change during Obama's first term. What I did expect was, the direction of the country to change...and I got it.

Some major bulletpoints:

*Healthcare reform...it's just the beginning...it's a watered down version of what Obama and the dems wanted, and while I agree the dems were pussies about the way they did things, you can't blame Obama for that, that falls squarely in the hands of congress, especially the republicans, who again, have used the filibuster more during the last 2 years than in the history of our country. That is quantifiable fact.

*The way other countries look at us now is drastically different than it was under bush. We live in a global economy. American exceptionalism is fine and dandy, but we need to be respected by other countries, allies and enemies alike...and Obama has turned that around.

*Credit Card reform...this is MAJOR for the middle class. Credit cards are a major reason americans fall into debt, and once in debt, credit card companies were able to do pretty much whatever they wanted...raise rates at will, crazy fees, etc.

*Let's talk about bailouts. The bailouts everybody hates where actually done by bush, let's not forget. Let's compare those to an Obama bailout. The bush bailouts basically just gave money to failing institutions without imposing restrictions...they picked and chose who to save, and now those companies are making more money, using the same risky practices, nothing has changed, and we're in the same danger of another collapse.

Meanwhile, let's look at GM, who was "bailed out" under Obama. Obama forced GM into bankruptcy, fired the people running the company, forced them to restructure, and THEN bailed them out.

This is a major change in direction, for the better.

*Got us out of Iraq...true, we're still there...but not in the capacity we were, or would STILL BE under McCain. Aside from anything else, we can't afford to be there anymore...and we are on track to be out of Afghanistan too. If he can get us done with both wars in his first term it'll trump anything else in my opinion...just for effect on the economy alone.

*Our priorities. This is a major shift in direction as well. Obama believes in SCIENCE. Science is real, and quantifiable, and for too long, it has taken a backseat because of people who have no business talking about science saying it's a farce...and i'm not just talking about global warming. The environment is a big deal, but it's also about job creation, and the united states getting out in front of what is arguably the next major driver of global economics.

EDUCATION is also a priority...we've been falling behind for way too long.

*Look at the military...you love to talk about the military right Stevie? Obama has begun the process of reforming and restructuring the military 20 years after the Cold War to a more modern fighting force… this includes new procurement policies, increasing size of military, new technology and cyber units and operations, etc. This also includes phasing out the expensive F-22 war plane and other outdated weapons systems, which weren’t even used or needed in Iraq/Afghanistan. Bush didn't do that, and McCain wouldn't have either, because they would be answering to contractors who make too much money doing things the way they do them to want to make changes. Obama also ended the No-Bid defense contract policy. He also ended a policy called stop-loss which basically kept soldiers in iraq and afghanistan for longer than their enlistment date. Additionally, he has provided the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) with more than $1.4 billion to improve services to America’s Veterans. Republicans are supposedly the defense party, but they seem to forget to take care of our veterans after "we're done with them."

*Cash For Clunkers...wildly successful program, took many highly polluting cars off the roads across the country...also helped people with less money get into newer, more reliable cars, which has the very obvious benefits of getting out of an old unreliable car.

*Obama also ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings

I could go on...and if you want, I will, but I doubt you'll read all this, and respond in detail to most of it.

I would love you to respond to my point about bush tax cuts, and job loss, rather than gain.

All in all, I think Obama is doing a fine job, and I think history will look back on him as one of our great presidents, even in the face of crisis and a republican party who has been the most obstructionist in our countries history.
DJ Michael Basic 9:54 PM - 3 November, 2010
P.S. There are definitely some things Obama is about that I don't like...but the reality of that is...for all of Fox news and their cronies trying to paint Obama as ultra-liberal, he's pretty darn centrist, and I wish he was more liberal at times.
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:08 PM - 3 November, 2010
^100000000000000000000000 I knew MB would come in with some good info at some point lol

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*Our priorities. This is a major shift in direction as well. Obama believes in SCIENCE. Science is real, and quantifiable, and for too long, it has taken a backseat because of people who have no business talking about science saying it's a farce...and i'm not just talking about global warming. The environment is a big deal, but it's also about job creation, and the united states getting out in front of what is arguably the next major driver of global economics.


Noones hit on this but this is my #1 reason behind backing obama and the dems over the republican and teaparty candidates. I wasnt a leader that thinks with his head and looks at the facts not someone who bases everything they do off emotion and beliefs, one who thinks with his\her head not his\her heart, if you like your religion thats fine its great to have beliefs but the idea that someone or a group of people running the country can impose rule based on beliefs (beliefs that re in fact NOT shared by EVERYONE as teaparty supporters want to believe) is terrifying to me.
sixxx 11:16 PM - 3 November, 2010
Healthcare reform is BS. It's doing more bad than good. Basically, the insurance companies are finding ways to jack up our prices to cover their asses for all the shit they have to do now. How do I know? My health insurance keeps going up EVERY FUCKIN' MONTH. Let's the forget that people are going to be forced to get health insurance or be penalized. Fuck that, when I can just go to Mexico, get better health coverage and spend only 10% of what I would have to pay here.

Credit card reform. Really? Nothing major has changed. Oh yeah, now they have to disclose how long it will take you to pay off your debt, so your bill does look different now. What else. Oh yeah, the credit card companies are doing the same thing insurance companies are doing. Protecting their ass. So, they're jackin' up the rates, they're jackin' up the fees, and so on.

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Really? No way. Just this past 2 weeks, how many bombs were "intercepted". Oh yeah, they're sending gifts to America cause they love us so much.

The bailouts are a joke. I will talk about the car bailouts since that hits my employment. No. I'm not a car salesman but my employer depends on car advertising. Well, guess what? It hasn't done jack shit. All the car dealerships that close, never reopened. All it did was get a surge in sales and that was it. Now, they're all back to where they were because people STILL HAVE NO FUCKEN' JOBS.

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Probably about the only good thing that happened so far. Was it successful... to a degree. Imagine all those people that bought brand new cars and have brand new car payments BUT NOW HAVE NO FUCKEN' JOBS. Way to go. Add more debt to society.

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Obama also ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings


This is a bunch of BS. How do I know? My parents. I pick up their medications and guess what, their shit is so ridiculously expensive (well, the part that medicare pays) that it's all a joke. Get the same drugs from Mexico. A lot cheaper. Again, it's all a bunch of bs design to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

A lot of this stuff looks great on paper and it's awesome for political debates. Meanwhile, a bunch of family and friends have no jobs, have shitty expensive insurance (or lost it already), and my parents medical bills still look ridiculously high.

No thanks. Let's start over.
sixxx 11:17 PM - 3 November, 2010
And if you think this is MY sentiment alone, then you must've failed to look at the new crop of people elected last night.
DJ Michael Basic 11:26 PM - 3 November, 2010
It's not your sentiment alone Suxxx...it's a sentiment shared by a lot of the country. What you'll see if you look a little deeper at what happened last night, however, is that people didn't like democrats or republicans equally. Exit poles showed exactly the same percentage of people said they didn't like the democrats and the republicans.

This is obviously a result of us being in a shitty situation, and not getting out of it as fast as people want us to, which is of course, absolutely unrealistic. Does that comfort the people who are out of work? Of course not. Does it help the people who are paying way too much for drugs? No. Does anything that has been done so far make things immediately better? Absolutely not.

Are we finally headed in the right direction? In my opinion, yes.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:28 PM - 3 November, 2010
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Well, that was until last night...

Obama is officially a LAME DUCK...wotch.
DJ Michael Basic 11:28 PM - 3 November, 2010
Hah, I said exit poles, I meant, of course, exit polls.
sixxx 11:30 PM - 3 November, 2010
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Hah, I said exit poles, I meant, of course, exit polls.


lol
dj_KaSE 1:48 AM - 4 November, 2010
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Healthcare reform is BS. It's doing more bad than good. Basically, the insurance companies are finding ways to jack up our prices to cover their asses for all the shit they have to do now. How do I know? My health insurance keeps going up EVERY FUCKIN' MONTH. Let's the forget that people are going to be forced to get health insurance or be penalized. Fuck that, when I can just go to Mexico, get better health coverage and spend only 10% of what I would have to pay here.

Credit card reform. Really? Nothing major has changed. Oh yeah, now they have to disclose how long it will take you to pay off your debt, so your bill does look different now. What else. Oh yeah, the credit card companies are doing the same thing insurance companies are doing. Protecting their ass. So, they're jackin' up the rates, they're jackin' up the fees, and so on.

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The way other countries look at us now is drastically different

Really? No way. Just this past 2 weeks, how many bombs were "intercepted". Oh yeah, they're sending gifts to America cause they love us so much.

The bailouts are a joke. I will talk about the car bailouts since that hits my employment. No. I'm not a car salesman but my employer depends on car advertising. Well, guess what? It hasn't done jack shit. All the car dealerships that close, never reopened. All it did was get a surge in sales and that was it. Now, they're all back to where they were because people STILL HAVE NO FUCKEN' JOBS.

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Cash for Clunkers

Probably about the only good thing that happened so far. Was it successful... to a degree. Imagine all those people that bought brand new cars and have brand new car payments BUT NOW HAVE NO FUCKEN' JOBS. Way to go. Add more debt to society.

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Obama also ended previous practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug manufacturers for cheaper drugs; the federal government is now realizing hundreds of millions in savings


This is a bunch of BS. How do I know? My parents. I pick up their medications and guess what, their shit is so ridiculously expensive (well, the part that medicare pays) that it's all a joke. Get the same drugs from Mexico. A lot cheaper. Again, it's all a bunch of bs design to make you feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

A lot of this stuff looks great on paper and it's awesome for political debates. Meanwhile, a bunch of family and friends have no jobs, have shitty expensive insurance (or lost it already), and my parents medical bills still look ridiculously high.

No thanks. Let's start over.


So who's to blame? The companies, or the government?
eder 1:51 AM - 4 November, 2010
I'm blaming Canada. Fuck you, Mallon.
sixxx 3:34 AM - 4 November, 2010
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So who's to blame? The companies, or the government?


Easy. The government. If you increase taxes, for instance, that tax will basically come out of our pocket. Everything you impose on companies will go down to the consumer. Simple economics.
DVDjHardy 3:57 AM - 4 November, 2010
There is nothing simple about economics. Unless you believe what you've seen on TV has made you an economist.

Most people have forgotten the tax cuts that Bush introduced in 2003. What happened to the unemployment in the years following that? And what happened to the number of jobs being outsourced?

"Trickle-down economics" WILL NOT WORK in the current economic system in America.
DJ Michael Basic 5:26 AM - 4 November, 2010
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I want you naysayers to respond to this directly. When the bush tax cuts went into effect...where was the job growth republicans promise is a result of such policy? Our country lost jobs but the hundreds of thousands during the time when the richest were paying the lowest taxes in the history of our country.



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I want you naysayers to respond to this directly. When the bush tax cuts went into effect...where was the job growth republicans promise is a result of such policy? Our country lost jobs but the hundreds of thousands during the time when the richest were paying the lowest taxes in the history of our country.


I'll wait for someone to respond to that with something factual and relevant.
DJ Michael Basic 5:27 AM - 4 November, 2010
Woops, meant for one of those quotes to be Hardy's above post.
DJMark 9:01 AM - 4 November, 2010
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Mcain wouldnt triple the National debt


I've watched two 2-term Republican administrations (Reagan and GW Bush) both run up hugely-soaring deficits.

I've just watched an unqualified CEO who apparently never voted in most of her adult life blow through nearly 200 million dollars trying to buy the California gubernatorial election with the blessings of the Republican party (only to go down in flames to a 15-point loss).

Just watched another unqualified former CEO who fired 30,000 employees (and offshored more) and sent her company into a long tailspin also go down in flames despite substantial campaign spending.

So it's really quite hard for me (or anyone else with a shred of unprejudiced logic) in 2010 to take any Republican claims of having special fiduciary responsibility with anything more than a grim laugh.

Oh, and don't forget: Clinton...Democrat...late 90's...first US Federal budget surpluses in decades (and regrettably, the last since then).

As to Obama and the first two years: he and his administration did a terrible job of communicating the issues. He's no FDR...or for that matter no Clinton. In my opinion Obama has also been very poorly served by some of his staff, and I hope to see some housecleaning. He also made a major tactical blunder wasting valuable time in his first few months trying to accommodate/work with people who were never going to give any cooperation back.

But much of what Obama's actually done has probably prevented a much worse economic catastrophe. We still hold the very real symbolic value of what his presidency stands for. And the United States is a huge ship of state, and responds very slowly to steering input.
DVDjHardy 1:50 PM - 4 November, 2010
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Oh, and don't forget: Clinton...Democrat...late 90's...first US Federal budget surpluses in decades (and regrettably, the last since then).

What a co-incidence that happened a few years after the 39% tax rate for the wealthiest of people under Clinton. Bush cut it down to 36% from 2003-2010. And of course started two different wars that we shouldn't have been in...and you have the huge mess that he left behind for Obama to fix.

But majority of the people who voted on Tuesday just blatantly wanted to vote for a change no matter who wsa in the office. A lot of of people are stupid and lazy, and many others are too busy to have the time to research these issues or even go vote. It's sad.

Elections should be held on a Saturday or a Sunday.
Free Man 4:28 PM - 4 November, 2010
you bring up forcing gm into bankrupsy and firing people who were in charge... dont forget what happened with the first round... you had people going on vacations, giving bonuses and putting in orders for jets...

after that first round he realized he fucked up and pulled out the lube and box of band-aids.

dems think with their heads? here's a news flash... everyone thinks they are logical...
here's a few famous quotes from Clinton... i have never smoked marijuana... ...i never inhaled. (isnt possession 9/10 of the law? how about "i have never had sexual relations with that woman. was the real truth i havent fucked her yet, but i get regular blow jobs and blew my load on her dress?

theres thinkin with their head.

politics is bull shit. the economy and world peace could be in a better place. people need to take responsibility and stop pointing fingers.

i vote for less govt control. they fuck up everything they touch. that is the real reason i dont want them to touch healthcare. if they want to get their hand in something they should make cigerettes illegial... causes cancer and by the increased health by not smoking, then there will be a lower cost for insurance.

theres some free man logic... who agrees?
d:raf 4:46 PM - 4 November, 2010
I could care less who the president fucks or what he smoked in college as long as he does his job well. Neither of those things had anything to do with his political policy, and that's where head/heart stuff actually matters.
DVDjHardy 5:37 PM - 4 November, 2010
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i vote for less govt control....blah blah blah....

theres some free man logic... who agrees?


Yes, let's start with the military. I promise it will also solve the entire budget deficit issues and increase world peace too.
stevie o 6:13 PM - 4 November, 2010
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So who's to blame? The companies, or the government?


Easy. The government. If you increase taxes, for instance, that tax will basically come out of our pocket. Everything you impose on companies will go down to the consumer. Simple economics.


Correct. I worked for the city 10 years. My net pay was more than half of my gross. Thats bullshit. Democrats think spending money will decrease our debt. That makes sense?
stevie o 6:19 PM - 4 November, 2010
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P.S. There are definitely some things Obama is about that I don't like...but the reality of that is...for all of Fox news and their cronies trying to paint Obama as ultra-liberal, he's pretty darn centrist, and I wish he was more liberal at times.


Michael I would love to comment on everything you wrote but I can't get past this point. Obama has been the most liberal President in the history of the US. WHere When and how was he ever a centralist? Some democrats wished he leaned right a little to please everyone but he cant. Thats not him. He is a true socialist that believes everyone should have equal money regardless of how hard you work or dont work. He hates capitilism and hates the stock market. He is a sitting duck for the next 2 years. All facts my man.
stevie o 6:24 PM - 4 November, 2010
"I've watched two 2-term Republican administrations (Reagan and GW Bush) both run up hugely-soaring deficits."

You watched eagan run up debts? Reagan was the most fiscally responsible president ever. Ever here of Reaganomics?
Under Bush were were attacked by terrorist scum. Do You remember that? I do I was there literally. WHen someone attacks us we fight back. That costs money. Obama would have done the same thing. If Bush or any president doesnt retaliate in a situation like that I will move to Milan
sixxx 6:39 PM - 4 November, 2010
All I see is jabs at republicans vs democrats. Who gives a shit what past presidents or what parties have or haven't done. I want to see some change now and in the future. I don't care if it comes from a monkey.
DVDjHardy 6:43 PM - 4 November, 2010
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P.S. There are definitely some things Obama is about that I don't like...but the reality of that is...for all of Fox news and their cronies trying to paint Obama as ultra-liberal, he's pretty darn centrist, and I wish he was more liberal at times.


Michael I would love to comment on everything you wrote but I can't get past this point. Obama has been the most liberal President in the history of the US. WHere When and how was he ever a centralist? Some democrats wished he leaned right a little to please everyone but he cant. Thats not him. He is a true socialist that believes everyone should have equal money regardless of how hard you work or dont work. He hates capitilism and hates the stock market. He is a sitting duck for the next 2 years. All facts my man. come up with anything logical


True.
DJ Michael Basic 7:19 PM - 4 November, 2010
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you bring up forcing gm into bankrupsy and firing people who were in charge... dont forget what happened with the first round... you had people going on vacations, giving bonuses and putting in orders for jets...


I love arguing with you guys, because you literally just make shit up. The first bailouts to GM were under Bush, he infused enough money in GM to let them survive through March of 2009. They were forced into bankruptcy June 1st by the Obama administration.

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dems think with their heads? here's a news flash... everyone thinks they are logical...
here's a few famous quotes from Clinton... i have never smoked marijuana... ...i never inhaled. (isnt possession 9/10 of the law? how about "i have never had sexual relations with that woman. was the real truth i havent fucked her yet, but i get regular blow jobs and blew my load on her dress?

theres thinkin with their head.

politics is bull shit. the economy and world peace could be in a better place. people need to take responsibility and stop pointing fingers.

i vote for less govt control. they fuck up everything they touch. that is the real reason i dont want them to touch healthcare. if they want to get their hand in something they should make cigerettes illegial... causes cancer and by the increased health by not smoking, then there will be a lower cost for insurance.

theres some free man logic... who agrees?


That's all you got? You ignore what clinton did for the economy because he smoked pot? You're so obviously reaching it's pathetic.
DJ Michael Basic 8:07 PM - 4 November, 2010
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Michael I would love to comment on everything you wrote but I can't get past this point. Obama has been the most liberal President in the history of the US. WHere When and how was he ever a centralist? Some democrats wished he leaned right a little to please everyone but he cant. Thats not him. He is a true socialist that believes everyone should have equal money regardless of how hard you work or dont work. He hates capitilism and hates the stock market. He is a sitting duck for the next 2 years. All facts my man.


None of that is fact. It's all regurgitated talking points Facts are when you back things up with numbers or um...facts, you know, things that actually happened. To say he's been the most liberal president in the history of the US is just ridiculous.

Let's talk about some moderate-right leaning things he did, which ended up being pretty darn bad. Right after being elected, he picked up a series of economic advisors that were absolutely entrenched in wallstreet. This lead to him following policy advice from a lot of the people who helped create the crisis in the first place. Instead of taking the liberal route of re-instating regulation, he left wallstreet mostly unchecked...that's liberal? I think not.

Healthcare...Obama never campaigned on the idea of single payer or public option. This healthcare bill is basically insurance reform, but it was done in such a way where it's mostly just a bill that pushes everybody into the healthcare system through insurance companies. This is far from liberal. Liberal would be a single payer system where insurance companies might be a part of things, but not the entirety of it. The government isn't really going to be running healthcare at all, and no "burocrat will stand in the way of you and your doctor"...it's still the insurance companies that do that.

Obama ran on tax cuts...yes, he didn't want to give tax cuts to the tip of the top, but the facts are that he really and truly did cut taxes for 95% of americans. The reason it's hard to see is twofold...one, he did it in a smart way...small increments that come paycheck to paycheck, rather than how bush did it, in one lump sum check. Economists across the board say this is a better way to do things because instead of a lump sum you might put in the bank or spirit away somewhere, having just a little bit more money on each paycheck, especially for the people who actually need that money, means it'll get spent.

What's obvious, and "simple economics" is that if rich people make a little bit more money, they may or may not spend it, however, if people who are just scraping by make a little extra money...those people no longer have to decide between putting gas in the car and food on the table, they can do both, which means all that money goes right back into the economy. This is why the stimulus worked, and, if anything, as further proof that it was a pretty moderate move, economists across the board say that not only did it work to stave off a second depression, but it would have worked better if MORE had been spent.


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You watched eagan run up debts? Reagan was the most fiscally responsible president ever. Ever here of Reaganomics?
Under Bush were were attacked by terrorist scum. Do You remember that? I do I was there literally. WHen someone attacks us we fight back. That costs money. Obama would have done the same thing. If Bush or any president doesnt retaliate in a situation like that I will move to Milan


Sorry dude, again, you're literally making shit up. Reagan ran the debt up by 2.1 trillion dollars by the time he was finished. This is cold hard fact. It brings up a very interesting point though, and I'm going to expose my more moderate side right now.

While today's conservative scoffs at the idea, in Reagan's time, his debt building wasn't such a horrible thing. You can, however, draw parallels to what Reagan did and what Obama is doing.

With Reagan...would you trade the collapse of communism, your smaller tax burden, some of your income -- and possibly your job -- in exchange for eliminating that $2.1 trillion in added debt?

Reagan was handed a country with an economy in a pretty bad state...not as bad as what Obama was given, but, at the time, it was considered the worst since the great depression. Sound familiar?

What did Reagan do? He trippled the national debt...and created jobs! It took time though, it didn't happen overnight. It didn't happen in 2 years, it took his whole presidency.

As a matter of fact...and I find this very interesting and relevant, when Reagan took office in 1980, unemployment was at about 7.5% 3 years into his term, it was at...guess...take a wild guess at what the employment number was. It's so ironic it's funny! That's right, 9.5% Sound familiar yet?

Reagan was, in fact, the first one to really put us in major debt to other countries. Under Reagan the tax rate for the richest people in the country was 50%. Obama wants to make it 28%...meanwhile, those richest people

In the 80s, when Reagan cut taxes for the rich, the deficit went from about 2.5% of GDP to 6% of GDP. This raised interested rates and helped create a recession. Trying to fix this, he raised taxes on things like Gasoline and Cigarettes, and eventually instated the highest payroll tax increase in history. I'm not making this up, this stuff all actually happened. So bottom line, Reagan cut taxes for the rich, and then raised taxes that everybody ends up paying.

Reagan also raised a tax on the self-employed by about 66%. He put his hands into social security when a surplus came into existance from the baby boomers, which is a big reason why social security is a disaster now. He took from that surplus to try and pay down some of the debt.

Then comes 1986. Reagan cut taxes for the wealthiest again, now down to 28%. Meanwhile tax rates for the middle class were 33% and he raised the lowest rate from 12% to 15%. Talk about redistribution of wealth...talk about socialism. Reagan was "that guy." Reagan was even the first to tax unemployment benefits.

The Social Security hike generated over $2 trillion in surplus between 1984 and 2007, and if it had been properly invested, say, in AAA corporate bonds it could have earned another trillion by now. At present, the fund is empty, because it has been used up to finance the federal deficits resulting from frequent cuts in income tax rates. If this is not redistribution of wealth from the poor to the rich, what else is?
DJ Sniffles 8:28 PM - 4 November, 2010
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i vote for less govt control....blah blah blah....

theres some free man logic... who agrees?


Yes, let's start with the military. I promise it will also

solve the entire budget deficit issues and increase world peace too.


You want States to be in charge of the military? No DoD?
DVDjHardy 9:02 PM - 4 November, 2010
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i vote for less govt control....blah blah blah....

theres some free man logic... who agrees?


Yes, let's start with the military. I promise it will also

solve the entire budget deficit issues and increase world peace too.


You want States to be in charge of the military? No DoD?


Neither. I'm saying government control is necessary in some cases. In my opinion, healthcare is as essential as national security.

And on the topic of national security....our defense budget is larger than rest of the countries on earth combined. I mean, everyone else added together don't spend as much as we do on our defense budget. Yet, we have homeless veterans. A pretty mediocre (at best) VA Health System. And why should soldiers have to pay ANY TAXES? They should be 100% taken care of by the government once they do active duty.

I know you're a vet, Sniffles. I'm not saying this to feed BS to you. Just how I feel about people who risk their lives for people like me who they've never even met.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:20 PM - 4 November, 2010
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Quote of the YEAR.
Eric N 9:21 PM - 4 November, 2010
After reading this, I just have to say that I would vote for Michael Basic. =)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:21 PM - 4 November, 2010
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I love arguing with you guys, because you literally just make shit up.


Quote of the YEAR.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:21 PM - 4 November, 2010
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After reading this, I just have to say that I would vote for Michael Basic. =)


HERE HERE!

He even has quotables.
sixxx 9:30 PM - 4 November, 2010
As long as there is a middle man (insurance companies) and every politician who has stock in pharmaceuticals, healthcare reform will be a joke.
DJ TOGTFO 10:33 PM - 4 November, 2010
Its fucked up when my dog has better healthcare coverage than I do. "Obama's healthcare reform is health insurance reform". Best damn quote I've heard all year. The only reason everyone will be covered is bc you will be forced to have health insurance or get penalized for not having health insurance. I have been paying $143.74 a month for the past 3 years for health insurance. Thats about $5,148 over the past 3 years for 3 physicals (which I still had to pay $75 bucks per physical), 2 presicriptions of antibiotics ($50 co pay), and $1,400 for a fuckin biopsy for a wart on my arm which everyone, even the doctor told me that he's 99% sure its not cancerous, but lets do the biopsy anyway. Obama care will do nothing but give more money to the insurance companies under the guise of all of the sudden you have health insurance and soon as the clock strikes midnight. Car insurance, home insurance is all a big fuckin scam. Thats where the next big enron/wall street type scandal will happen.
DJ TOGTFO 10:38 PM - 4 November, 2010
America is one big corporation now. You could have Pauly D as president, but the big companies will still run this country. It's a shame that a good/smart man like Obama is wasting his talent running this country, when he really doesnt run shit at all. Same goes for any president in the future.
sixxx 11:12 PM - 4 November, 2010
indeed
Free Man 11:20 PM - 4 November, 2010
i wonder how much financial backing Obama got from health insurance companies? and the health care industry... i know that i see a big circle when money comes back to the chicago hospital that paid his wife 250 g's for a 20 hour per week b.s. job
DJ TOGTFO 12:45 AM - 5 November, 2010
Whats more ridiculous? The Situation from Jersey Shore getting $30,000 appearance fees or Mrs Obama gettin paid $250K for her "job"... hrrrrrmmmmmm?
Free Man 4:42 AM - 5 November, 2010
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Whats more ridiculous? The Situation from Jersey Shore getting $30,000 appearance fees or Mrs Obama gettin paid $250K for her "job"... hrrrrrmmmmmm?


depends if the contract said they had to make gelato once per episode or not
AKIEM 8:08 AM - 5 November, 2010
2008 was the first and last election I think I will ever vote in.

I voted for Obama because he is Black. All I expected for him to do is "be Black". I wont vote for him or anyone again...

... unless I have to vote against Palin.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:18 PM - 5 November, 2010
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2008 was the first and last election I think I will ever vote in.

I voted for Obama because he is Black. All I expected for him to do is "be Black". I wont vote for him or anyone again...

... unless I have to vote against Palin.


This is quite funny.

I voted for Obama because he was the lessor of 2 evils.

From an experience perspective, yes, he was lacking, but at the same time, the country needed a "Fresh" perspective.

I too, voted for him ALSO because he was black, but not just to put a black man in the White house, but because he was a great MOTIVATOR, and there was a surge of people who got off of their humps to go out and VOTE, SIMPLY BECAUSE HE WAS BLACK.

He represented "Change" in a big way.

Unfortunately, in an almost UNREALISTIC WAY.

The story was, well since a Black man could get elected in THIS COUNTRY, he should be able to Walk On Water as a bonus.

And they expected him to do that.

Like someone mentioned in this thread earlier, he's had a LOT of accomplishments, but DIDN'T PROMOTE THEM ENDLESSLY the way you're supposed to, when you remind people of why they NEED to keep you in office.

He should have had a BIG CHECKLIST, and shown it EACH TIME he had a press conference to show PROGRESS.

Now, while I'm all for having a Black family in the white house, and all the cultural diversity that goes with it, I think he's starting to drift from keeping his eye on the prize.

SOME THINGS he gives more publicity give him an image of someone who's not focused.

Yeah, it's cool to be personable with the nation, but c'mon, spending money to fly cats in to have a BEER?

And these SHOWS he keeps going on, it's like he's living a "Fantasy" of being "one of the boys", when you REALLY NEED to be attending to things people are CRYING ABOUT, like that whole IMMIGRATION THING, in Arizona.

Don't ignore it, make a decision and keep it moving.

Or the Don't Ask Don't Tell, just make a DECISION, and keep IT MOVING.

He's skirting too much stuff, but not missing a photo shoot for the cover of a Magazine.

Not cool.

LIke I needed for the muhfuggah to EXTEND THE TAX BREAKS FOR PEOPLE BUYING HOUSES, OR CASH FOR CLUNKERS.

He needs to get focused, make some hard decisions, and "Beat On His Chest" about it.

He's trying to be EVERYBODY'S FRIEND.

Now he's gonna be a LAME DUCK.
DJ GOOK 1:06 PM - 5 November, 2010
The sad part is that George Bush has a brother thats going to run for president one day.

One other thing. The first lady (Michelle) is the best looking first lady so far :)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:34 PM - 5 November, 2010
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One other thing. The first lady (Michelle) is the best looking first lady so far :)


I can't get past the overbite, or whatever the hell is the matter with her smile...
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:51 PM - 5 November, 2010
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2008 was the first and last election I think I will ever vote in.

I voted for Obama because he is Black. All I expected for him to do is "be Black". I wont vote for him or anyone again...

... unless I have to vote against Palin.



well he let you down to then because hes half white
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:55 PM - 5 November, 2010
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And these SHOWS he keeps going on, it's like he's living a "Fantasy" of being "one of the boys", when you REALLY NEED to be attending to things people are CRYING ABOUT, like that whole IMMIGRATION THING, in Arizona.

Don't ignore it, make a decision and keep it moving.

Or the Don't Ask Don't Tell, just make a DECISION, and keep IT MOVING.

He's skirting too much stuff, but not missing a photo shoot for the cover of a Magazine.

Not cool.

LIke I needed for the muhfuggah to EXTEND THE TAX BREAKS FOR PEOPLE BUYING HOUSES, OR CASH FOR CLUNKERS.

He needs to get focused, make some hard decisions, and "Beat On His Chest" about it.

He's trying to be EVERYBODY'S FRIEND.

Now he's gonna be a LAME DUCK.



Hes playing the politic game, he knows hes got an election comming up so hes puttin himself out there and not pissin people off. I have a feeling if he gets reelected to a second term in office youll see the obama you want since he wont have to worry about being reelected again
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:59 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Under Bush were were attacked by terrorist scum. Do You remember that? I do I was there literally. WHen someone attacks us we fight back. That costs money


True.....by the way which country attacked us again??? Was it the country of Iraq or afganastan?? I know we went to war with both but i forget which of the two governments acutualy was the one that ordered the attack on us.
stevie o 2:04 PM - 5 November, 2010
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2008 was the first and last election I think I will ever vote in.

I voted for Obama because he is Black. All I expected for him to do is "be Black". I wont vote for him or anyone again...

... unless I have to vote against Palin.


Most ignorant quote of all time. I respect your honesty.
stevie o 2:17 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Under Bush were were attacked by terrorist scum. Do You remember that? I do I was there literally. WHen someone attacks us we fight back. That costs money


True.....by the way which country attacked us again??? Was it the country of Iraq or afganastan?? I know we went to war with both but i forget which of the two governments acutualy was the one that ordered the attack on us.


I never said any country attacked us. I said terrorist scum attacked us. The taliban is a privately ran organization and no country claims their actions. Does that mean we don't go to the countries that these animals reside in and retaliate? How would you respond to the attacks? I am pretty sure I know the answer. You would do nothing and accept that thousands of Americans were murdered and thousands more will die without dealin with them.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:27 PM - 5 November, 2010
Obama will NOT make it to a second term.

There are just too many people who don't want a Black President from the door.

The only people who can sway anything are the INDEPENDENTS. And I think they were initially inspired by the whole Black President thing, but now it's time for RESULTS...

Unfortunately, now he won't get ANY because the Repubs control the HOUSE.

Nothing will get passed.

And if ANYTHING DOES, The Repubs will say it was BECAUSE OF THEM and their takeover of the House to finally get things "Moving".

He's a wrap.
AKIEM 2:28 PM - 5 November, 2010
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2008 was the first and last election I think I will ever vote in.

I voted for Obama because he is Black. All I expected for him to do is "be Black". I wont vote for him or anyone again...

... unless I have to vote against Palin.


Most ignorant quote of all time. I respect your honesty.


ok - If you are going to tell me that what I am saying (or why I voted) is ignorant at least offer an explanation for why you think so.


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which is Black enough for me


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I voted for Obama because he was the lessor of 2 evils.

I do not believe in voting for 'the lessor of 2 evils' (I made an exception in this case)






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I never said any country attacked us. I said terrorist scum attacked us. The taliban is a privately ran organization and no country claims their actions. Does that mean we don't go to the countries that these animals reside in and retaliate? How would you respond to the attacks? I am pretty sure I know the answer. You would do nothing and accept that thousands of Americans were murdered and thousands more will die without dealin with them.


*I* would not do 'nothing'. But 'nothing' is better then attacking the wrong country and all the other shit that has been done in the name of 9/11. (I was also there that day btw)

And actually the Taliban was in control of the government of Afghanistan.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:31 PM - 5 November, 2010
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2008 was the first and last election I think I will ever vote in.

I voted for Obama because he is Black. All I expected for him to do is "be Black". I wont vote for him or anyone again...

... unless I have to vote against Palin.


Most ignorant quote of all time. I respect your honesty.


ok - If you are going to tell me that what I am saying (or why I voted) is ignorant at least offer an explanation for why you think so.


He's saying, (correct me if I'm wrong), that the SOLE reason why you voted for him was because he was BLACK.

Which can be the EXACT REASON why some Whites voted AGAINST HIM.

Theoretically, it's a FLAWED method, but at the same time, a chance for something historical was on the horizon, but as somebody put it...

He's the RIGHT PERSON, at the WRONG TIME.
stevie o 2:44 PM - 5 November, 2010
I am all for equality and really don't care what color Obama is. I would vote for an Alien if I agreed with his policies and he can improve the country. You are asking me why voting for someone because he is Black is ignorant? Its pretty obvious why its ignorant.
Let me take it a step further. If I said I am voting for Mitt Romney because he's white, I would be branded a rascist correct? Cmon man its 2010. I have never judged a single person in my life on color. The 60's was a long time ago. Everyone should get be equally treated. Lets all get over this race bullshit.
Heres a true story, I was next on this Fire Department list in ny in 2008. I was told by my investigator I was going to the academy in 2 weeks. This was 2008. So i resigned from my job and than the Vulcan society decided the test was unfair to minorities. Out of every 5 candidates they want 3 minorities to be accepted regardless of how they scored. Is that fair?
AKIEM 3:20 PM - 5 November, 2010
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I am all for equality and really don't care what color Obama is. I would vote for an Alien if I agreed with his policies and he can improve the country. You are asking me why voting for someone because he is Black is ignorant? Its pretty obvious why its ignorant.
Let me take it a step further. If I said I am voting for Mitt Romney because he's white, I would be branded a rascist correct? Cmon man its 2010. I have never judged a single person in my life on color. The 60's was a long time ago. Everyone should get be equally treated. Lets all get over this race bullshit.


I am not judging him by his race. I never thought he would make a good president because he is Black. I did not expect him to do much of what I thought he should. And I did not expect him to do the things he said he was going to do that I agreed with. And he has not.

As far as treating everyone equal, I am all for it. But in order for that to happen you have to put the first guy in there or else it is still unequal. Like I said, I will not be voting anymore - that is equality. If I were a voting person then I could NOW make decisions based on things more important then race.

yes it is 2010, and even though we have a Black president *I* personally still have to deal with all types of racial shit (regardless of what you might believe)

This is not (even though it sounds like a decent argument) the same as voting against Obama because he is Black. It would be if all the preceding presidents were Black and so on... This is about opening doors to deal with the issue for a moment and then move on. NOW (even though we wont) we should be able to look at the candidates without race being a factor.

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Heres a true story, I was next on this Fire Department list in ny in 2008. I was told by my investigator I was going to the academy in 2 weeks. This was 2008. So i resigned from my job and than the Vulcan society decided the test was unfair to minorities. Out of every 5 candidates they want 3 minorities to be accepted regardless of how they scored. Is that fair?


It does not sound fair. Do you want to hear all my stories about shit that happened to me that was not fair?

shit is not fucking fair

If there had never been a "minority" accepted before, then I would call it 'necessary', maybe not 'fair'. If there has been a history of exclusion there is only one way around that - force inclusion. For how long, or how much - I do not know. But I do not see how else you could make things fair in the long run, because its also not fair to exclude people based on race. So if that issue is being dealt with, then its being dealt with. (lessor of two evils maybe)

But like I said: I wont be voting for Obama anymore, we have had a Black president - time to move on.



To be clear: I did not vote for Obama because I think Black people make better presidents.
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Under Bush were were attacked by terrorist scum. Do You remember that? I do I was there literally. WHen someone attacks us we fight back. That costs money


True.....by the way which country attacked us again??? Was it the country of Iraq or afganastan?? I know we went to war with both but i forget which of the two governments acutualy was the one that ordered the attack on us.


I never said any country attacked us. I said terrorist scum attacked us. The taliban is a privately ran organization and no country claims their actions. Does that mean we don't go to the countries that these animals reside in and retaliate?


You obviously have a better grasp on this than i do because i dont see how invading a country where the taliban wasnt, killing innocent people and hanging the leader of that country a good retaliation for the attack....its kinda like a guy in the club punches you in the face and you push him out of the way and hit the guy standing next to him
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:30 PM - 5 November, 2010
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AKIEM 3:38 PM - 5 November, 2010
oh, and as far as being branded a racist - Im sure you would be if you were voting for the white guy because he is white. But its not the same. Now if I were promoting the black janitor over the white one based on race, that would be racist. Black people simply dont need any doors to open up when it comes to janitorial work.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:41 PM - 5 November, 2010
It really dosent matter because all his illinformed vote did was cancel out one of the gaurenteed white racist votes
AKIEM 3:44 PM - 5 November, 2010
how was my vote "illinformed"?
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:50 PM - 5 November, 2010
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well by stating that you voted for him only because he was black im assuming you didnt look to deep in to what his stances were, his background, the kind of person he was ect ect ect. By not having that info yuo were illinformed, if you did look into that and and didnt like any of that and still voted just because he was black your an idiot because regardless of wether your intentions were good or not hes the person callin the shots and makin policys that effect us all
RogerRabbit 3:51 PM - 5 November, 2010
I'll vote for Obama again...

Yes! He messed up by being too nice.. Who knows, he might be able to do the impossible and make changes even with the republicans new power..

And shouts to the under-cover rAcist in the thread - you know who you are...
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:53 PM - 5 November, 2010
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I'll vote for Obama again...

Yes! He messed up by being too nice.. Who knows, he might be able to do the impossible and make changes even with the republicans new power..

And shouts to the under-cover rAcist in the thread - you know who you are...



im not an undercover anything i openly hate white people lol
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Are you saying we the Taliban aren't in afghanistan and Iraq? I agree Iraq was a deboutchery however,The Iraqi people are much better off without Sadam in power, therefore we did good there.


Under Bush were were attacked by terrorist scum. Do You remember that? I do I was there literally. WHen someone attacks us we fight back. That costs money


True.....by the way which country attacked us again??? Was it the country of Iraq or afganastan?? I know we went to war with both but i forget which of the two governments acutualy was the one that ordered the attack on us.


I never said any country attacked us. I said terrorist scum attacked us. The taliban is a privately ran organization and no country claims their actions. Does that mean we don't go to the countries that these animals reside in and retaliate?


You obviously have a better grasp on this than i do because i dont see how invading a country where the taliban wasnt, killing innocent people and hanging the leader of that country a good retaliation for the attack....its kinda like a guy in the club punches you in the face and you push him out of the way and hit the guy standing next to him
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well by stating that you voted for him only because he was black im assuming you didnt look to deep in to what his stances were, his background, the kind of person he was ect ect ect. By not having that info yuo were illinformed, if you did look into that and and didnt like any of that and still voted just because he was black your an idiot because regardless of wether your intentions were good or not hes the person callin the shots and makin policys that effect us all



I looked at his stances plenty. Much of what he was saying I do not agree with. And the things that I did agree with, I was very skeptical - and right to be skeptical because he has not done (at least not to my standard) the shit he said he would.

But I can say the SAME fucking thing about McCain.

I had very little to negative confidence in ether person. Same as the rest (the reason I normally do not vote)

And what was left - I thought it would be good for the country to finally get a Black guy in there - NOW WE CAN MOVE ON.
DJ TOGTFO 4:02 PM - 5 November, 2010
I'm pretty racist, but I hate everyone equally. The thing that gets me is how white people think there is no racism in this world. Just the other night, I was standing outside of the club and some black dude was like "hey man, you're pretty far from the Georgia Tech Library" and then I told him "hey man, you're pretty far from the Fulton County Jail". We both ended up laughing about it, but the white bouncer was absolutely appalled after witnessing this exchange. He was all like "hey bro, that wasn't cool". whatever, fuck a whitey, fuck a black-y, fuck a chink. Racism is prevalent, play the game or get played by the game.
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Are you saying we the Taliban aren't in afghanistan and Iraq? I agree Iraq was a deboutchery however,The Iraqi people are much better off without Sadam in power, therefore we did good there.


Under Bush were were attacked by terrorist scum. Do You remember that? I do I was there literally. WHen someone attacks us we fight back. That costs money


True.....by the way which country attacked us again??? Was it the country of Iraq or afganastan?? I know we went to war with both but i forget which of the two governments acutualy was the one that ordered the attack on us.


I never said any country attacked us. I said terrorist scum attacked us. The taliban is a privately ran organization and no country claims their actions. Does that mean we don't go to the countries that these animals reside in and retaliate?


You obviously have a better grasp on this than i do because i dont see how invading a country where the taliban wasnt, killing innocent people and hanging the leader of that country a good retaliation for the attack....its kinda like a guy in the club punches you in the face and you push him out of the way and hit the guy standing next to him



umm thank you for reminding me of what was already said, feel free to contribute new input now lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:27 PM - 5 November, 2010
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I'm pretty racist, but I hate everyone equally. The thing that gets me is how white people think there is no racism in this world. Just the other night, I was standing outside of the club and some black dude was like "hey man, you're pretty far from the Georgia Tech Library" and then I told him "hey man, you're pretty far from the Fulton County Jail". We both ended up laughing about it, but the white bouncer was absolutely appalled after witnessing this exchange. He was all like "hey bro, that wasn't cool". whatever, fuck a whitey, fuck a black-y, fuck a chink. Racism is prevalent, play the game or get played by the game.



true, the thing is racism will never go away, people can prestend and act all day long but the human mind works like that, the human mind makes assumptions on first apperance and it also links things together from outside info and past experience. The same way you look at a blonde and burnette in the club and immediatey pick one over the other to holla at
RogerRabbit 4:39 PM - 5 November, 2010
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I'll vote for Obama again...

Yes! He messed up by being too nice.. Who knows, he might be able to do the impossible and make changes even with the republicans new power..

And shouts to the under-cover rAcist in the thread - you know who you are...



im not an undercover anything i openly hate white people lol

Ha ha... You didn't come to mind.. But for the record you made continous excellent points in this thread...
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:49 PM - 5 November, 2010
yay gold sticker for me
AKIEM 5:03 PM - 5 November, 2010
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true, the thing is racism will never go away, people can prestend and act all day long but the human mind works like that, the human mind makes assumptions on first apperance and it also links things together from outside info and past experience. The same way you look at a blonde and burnette in the club and immediatey pick one over the other to holla at


I do not agree that is what racism is. I do not think there has always been racism.
I do not believe that racism inherently springs into being under every social setting, by every set of people (historically and theoretically) Racism is a social system that not only notices different traits (real or imagined) but it sets up a system of classification, stratification, and hierarchy.

I believe that if you could take two groups of people, two societies first meeting, and even if one was more advanced and dominant that an ordered system based on racial identity is not bound to occur. The idea that one race is superior is learned, not inherited. And if it is learned, it can be unlearned (looks like not anytime soon)
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:08 PM - 5 November, 2010
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I believe that if you could take two groups of people, two societies first meeting, and even if one was more advanced and dominant that an ordered system based on racial identity is not bound to occur. The idea that one race is superior is learned, not inherited. And if it is learned, it can be unlearned (looks like not anytime soon)


Realy?? So when european white dudes sailed down the african coast for the 1st time and sailed back with a boat load of servants who taught them that??
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:10 PM - 5 November, 2010
Its human nature to classify by physical traits, not even just people that on everything we see, also most if not all stereotypes have their roots in some for of truth. Hell even as DJs we catagorize people by what type of equipment they play on.
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I believe that if you could take two groups of people, two societies first meeting, and even if one was more advanced and dominant that an ordered system based on racial identity is not bound to occur. The idea that one race is superior is learned, not inherited. And if it is learned, it can be unlearned (looks like not anytime soon)


Realy?? So when european white dudes sailed down the african coast for the 1st time and sailed back with a boat load of servants who taught them that??


who taught who what? Europeans to be racist?
A) Do you think the first time Europeans sailed to Africa it was the first time they heard of "other people"? B) Are you sure that they believed they had the 'right' to enslave people based on a racist paradigm? C) Are you sure thats the first thing Europeans did when they visited Africa?
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plenty of stereotypes (less nowaday) have roots in misunderstandings and outright lies having no connection to anything real

yes, we live in a society that puts huge importance on various classifications, thats not any kind of proof that its built into our nature. that only proves its true about this society (and also certainly shades how we think we understand other societies)

For example we notice, name, and add 'some' meaning to shit like car colors - but we humans have not automatically formed a system of worth based on car colors. Pretty much the car is going to cost about the same whatever color you choose. And there have been plenty of times in history that "race" was much less important and had very little meaning. For example there were times when African royalty dealt with European counterparts on equal footing while the same European royalty thought some highland tribe, or woods people were equal to animals even though they were the same race of people.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:47 PM - 5 November, 2010
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For example we notice, name, and add 'some' meaning to shit like car colors - but we humans have not automatically formed a system of worth based on car colors. Pretty much the car is going to cost about the same whatever color you choose.


acutually the color of the car has to do with basic human psycology as well


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The make and model of your car can say a lot about you as a person. But the colour of your vehicle may also be very telling about your personality and even the way you drive. According to the DuPont Automotive Color Popularity Report, up to 40 percent of consumers will switch car brands to get the colour they want. While the colour you choose may have to do with cultural trends or merely what’s in your price range, different hues evoke emotions that attract certain types of people. Read on to find out what message your car’s paint job is sending.

Silver
Silver has been the most popular car colour in North America for the past seven years. Perhaps that's because metallic shades symbolize luxury and class. This high-tech hue says you're a sophisticated driver who likes to show off your vehicle's design. You're also calm behind the wheel; a recent study shows silver cars are 50 percent less likely to be involved in a crash.

Black
If you drive a black car, you’re no pushover. This sexy shade represents authority and power. You also appreciate elegance, style and timeless classics. But you may also have a darker side; black is often associated with villains and mystery.

Red
A bold colour choice, red says, “I want to be seen!” This hot hue has been found to raise blood pressure and stimulate the senses. You’re dynamic and sexy with a need for speed. Red gives off high-energy vibes and people drawn to the colour may take more risks — gamblers tend to place higher bets when seated under a red light.

White
White symbolizes innocence and purity, like the traditional image of a bride on her wedding day. But white is actually a daring choice when it comes to cars — dings and mud splotches have nowhere to hide on this light-reflecting shade. Drivers of white cars might be seen as fastidious and refined.

Blue
Blue is cool and serene. It calms the mind and creates a sense of tranquility. If you drive a blue car, you may be seen as conservative, loyal and quiet. But you may also be tuned in to trends — car-colour forecasters predict blue will be hot in 2008.

Green
Green is an easygoing and refreshing colour. It evokes a sense of the natural and organic — especially when going green means caring for the environment. Drivers drawn to green are thought to be trustworthy and well-balanced.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:51 PM - 5 November, 2010
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But do all stereotypes represent a way of feeling better about ourselves? Can't we hold stereotypes just because we have limited information or experience?
Yes, stereotypes can develop because of limited information. At the most basic level, stereotypes are related to the basic mental process of categorization. Our brains are very good at forming categories: good versus bad, edible versus nonedible, friend versus foe. Without these generalized concepts and categories, getting through the day would demand an overwhelming amount of analysis and careful consideration of every object and person we came into contact with. Categorization helps us take shortcuts and helps us become more efficient in making decisions and acting.

When a waiter at a restaurant comes to our table with a small pad and pencil, we prepare to give him our order. We don't have to spend much mental effort wondering: "Are you our waiter? Can we give you our order?" In recent years, psychologists have been recognizing just how much of this processing takes place automatically without our even being aware that we are doing it. Stereotypes in the sense of categories and concepts help us organize our thinking, helping us to perceive and remember more than we would without these aids. The problem with the stereotypes about social groups that underlie prejudice is that the categorization processes do not result in accurate generalizations. While the man in the restaurant with a pad and pencil is most probably a waiter, the African American, old, Jewish, gay, disabled, Hispanic, Catholic, Irish, or obese person to whom we apply a stereotype probably does not fit that stereotype as well as we assume.

But if the brain is so efficient at categorization, why doesn't experience correct inaccurate stereotypes?
Before answering that question, it is important to note that we may not be exposed to very much experience in our daily life that would contradict our stereotypes. For example, residential segregation keeps the home lives of different racial groups separate to some degree. But also, our stereotypes of other groups ("out groups") often lead to feelings of anxiety when we encounter the members of an out group. One of the oldest insights of psychology is that a main way we deal with anxiety is through avoidance: We simply avoid contact with individuals by crossing the street, turning our heads, talking to someone else, hiring someone else for a job, striking up friendships with someone else we feel more comfortable with, sitting down at the lunch table with those who seem to be more like us.

Returning to the question of why stereotypes persist in the face of contradictory experience, we find two main answers. The first is that because stereotypes may help us feel better about ourselves, we avoid challenging these stereotypes. In other words, we become defensive and protective of our worldviews and only reluctantly question our deepest assumptions. And these worldviews help protect not only our self-esteem, but also real-world privileges and benefits that accrue to us as members of an in group. For example, racist discrimination by banks that hurts African American communities by limiting mortgages to these areas also benefits White neighborhoods by making more money available to them. Discrimination which in the past has limited slots available to Jews or African Americans or Asian Americans at universities has benefitted the majority population by making more slots available to its members. So, maintaining our prejudiced views of others allows us to feel better about our own group and to avoid challenging unfair social practices that benefit us.

Psychologists have found that we put energy into various mechanisms that help us maintain our view of the world. For example, we can seek out and pay attention to information that supports our views. Evidence suggests that the more strongly we hold a stereotype, the more we tend to remember confirming information about the group. There is a kind of circular process here: For example, the more we believe stereotypes about gay men being effeminate, the more likely we will remember incidents which seem to support these views.

We also discount or rationalize information that is contradictory to our beliefs. The Black person who is intelligent and articulate, the gay man who is not effeminate, or the Jewish person who is not pushy become exceptions to the rule, but the rule remains. And we may look more closely for grammatical mistakes in the Black person's speech than in a White person's; or we may think that the gay man has developed a public persona designed to fool us; or that the Jewish person is especially clever in working his or her exploitive influence behind our back.




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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:13 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Lets all get over this race bullshit.


That's MUCH EASIER SAID THAN DONE...

Unfortunately, racism is alive and kicking, and you can still see it everyday, all day.

There have been STRIDES to reform it, but that end is still a long way off.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:15 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Out of every 5 candidates they want 3 minorities to be accepted regardless of how they scored. Is that fair?


On the surface, no, but ultimately, to distrubute the weight evenly, yes.

For so long it was "skewed" in the wrong direction, so now they have to "skew" it back. Once they get to a certain point, it should then be based on a person's merits from the door.
stevie o 6:44 PM - 5 November, 2010
The sky is blue
stevie o 6:58 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Out of every 5 candidates they want 3 minorities to be accepted regardless of how they scored. Is that fair?


On the surface, no, but ultimately, to distrubute the weight evenly, yes.

For so long it was "skewed" in the wrong direction, so now they have to "skew" it back. Once they get to a certain point, it should then be based on a person's merits from the door.


Johnny I want to ask you this last question than I'm done with nonsense. I'm gonna rephrase what is currently Goin on with the FDNY and want to see if you still think affirmative action is ok and people are entitled to a job based on their race.
I Had a perfect score on the test and a kid that looks like he could be my brother and was born 1 mile from me scored a 70. He is gonna get the job and I am not because his grandfathers grandfather was born on the island of Puerto Rico and all of my relatives can only be traced back to new york. You agree with this?
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On the surface, no, but ultimately, to distrubute the weight evenly, yes.

For so long it was "skewed" in the wrong direction, so now they have to "skew" it back. Once they get to a certain point, it should then be based on a person's merits from the door.


Johnny I want to ask you this last question than I'm done with nonsense. I'm gonna rephrase what is currently Goin on with the FDNY and want to see if you still think affirmative action is ok and people are entitled to a job based on their race.
I Had a perfect score on the test and a kid that looks like he could be my brother and was born 1 mile from me scored a 70. He is gonna get the job and I am not because his grandfathers grandfather was born on the island of Puerto Rico and all of my relatives can only be traced back to new york. You agree with this?


It depends on how long the test was "skewed" in your "FAVOR".

If it's been for 35 years, then they have 35 years worth of fixing to do...

After that time has passed, and everything is considered "Even", then the test should be based entirely on merit.
stevie o 7:06 PM - 5 November, 2010
Johnny I took the same test he did. I don't understand how you can even make argument. I presented you with the clear cut facts. How is a test we both took in my favor?
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Johnny I took the same test he did. I don't understand how you can even make argument. I presented you with the clear cut facts. How is a test we both took in my favor?


See, you're in the HERE AND NOW, and taking the test. If you were taking the test, say 10 years ago, when it was considered "Skewed", and YOU got the 70, chances are someone who wasn't of your race or background would have scored lower simply because the questions were more geared towards answers you COULD provide from your background.

Thus, you have the advantage, so now your OPPONENT not only has to answer the questions to the best of HIS ability, but is forced to answer stuff about things YOU would inherently know about, but he has to GUESS at.

That's what I'm saying.

The time hasn't come for all things to be "EQUAL" yet....they're still catching up.
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On the surface, no, but ultimately, to distrubute the weight evenly, yes.

For so long it was "skewed" in the wrong direction, so now they have to "skew" it back. Once they get to a certain point, it should then be based on a person's merits from the door.


Johnny I want to ask you this last question than I'm done with nonsense. I'm gonna rephrase what is currently Goin on with the FDNY and want to see if you still think affirmative action is ok and people are entitled to a job based on their race.
I Had a perfect score on the test and a kid that looks like he could be my brother and was born 1 mile from me scored a 70. He is gonna get the job and I am not because his grandfathers grandfather was born on the island of Puerto Rico and all of my relatives can only be traced back to new york. You agree with this?


It depends on how long the test was "skewed" in your "FAVOR".

If it's been for 35 years, then they have 35 years worth of fixing to do...

After that time has passed, and everything is considered "Even", then the test should be based entirely on merit.


Ya but when it comes down to it its the NY fire departmen, when lives are on the line which is more important how fair the team was picked or how good they are, do you want the 100% or the 70% guy drivin the truck to come save you and your family?? Will you tell the victims family that they lost a loved one but that in the process we are 1 step closer to having a fair team.

I dont think gaurenteed quotas like that are fair at all because in hinders the strive to be better, why bust your ass when you know that you already have one of the spots garenteed for you, and do you think people will be happy and just let it go, the second they take away those 3 garenteed minority spots some fool will cry out rasism. In my opinion if the system is geared towards 1 race then people in the other side need to bust that much more ass to get there, that way you have the highest performers.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:17 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Thus, you have the advantage, so now your OPPONENT not only has to answer the questions to the best of HIS ability, but is forced to answer stuff about things YOU would inherently know about, but he has to GUESS at.


Isnt that the point to ANY test, to show who HAS the knowledge and who has to to guess for lack of knowledge.

What kind of questions are on this test, im having trouble picturing the kind of questions that could be on a fire department test that would make it easier for a white dude to pass than a minority. I mean are they asking about country music award winners and what brand of mayonnaise tastes best on a white bread sandwich
stevie o 7:18 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Johnny I took the same test he did. I don't understand how you can even make argument. I presented you with the clear cut facts. How is a test we both took in my favor?


See, you're in the HERE AND NOW, and taking the test. If you were taking the test, say 10 years ago, when it was considered "Skewed", and YOU got the 70, chances are someone who wasn't of your race or background would have scored lower simply because the questions were more geared towards answers you COULD provide from your background.

Johnny my eyes are bleeding. What is my "background." and whatever you think it is what does it matter when taking a test based on someones mental an physical ability to save lives and put out fires?

Thanks m bezzle for seeing the big picture

Thus, you have the advantage, so now your OPPONENT not only has to answer the questions to the best of HIS ability, but is forced to answer stuff about things YOU would inherently know about, but he has to GUESS at.

That's what I'm saying.

The time hasn't come for all things to be "EQUAL" yet....they're still catching up.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:18 PM - 5 November, 2010
Ha, do you know how long Minorities have had to deal with knowing that they could BUST THEIR AZZ ALL DAY AND NIGHT, and STILL not be considered good enough?

The thing is that, it's so common nature now for Minorities to DEAL with it, that you don't hear any REAL uproars anymore...

As for the 70% vs. 100% thing, of course you'd want someone with 100%, but when there ARENT' any fires going on, and people are just living their lives, all those minorities DON'T have access to the same benefits, opportunities to buy houses and real estate, grow up in decent neighborhood, etc, because they COULDN'T get the job because the test given to them wasn't fair to them.

You're not talking about JUST saving LIVES, you're also talking about a person's LIVELYHOOD.
stevie o 7:19 PM - 5 November, 2010
My eyes are bleeding johnny. What is my "background"

Thanks m bezel for seein the big picture
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:21 PM - 5 November, 2010
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My eyes are bleeding johnny. What is my "background"

Thanks m bezel for seein the big picture


Apparently it doesn't have enough "Minority" in it to meet the quota.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:22 PM - 5 November, 2010
Again, what you're talking about would be GREAT IF all things were EQUAL, but
THEY
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at the moment.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:25 PM - 5 November, 2010
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As for the 70% vs. 100% thing, of course you'd want someone with 100%, but when there ARENT' any fires going on, and people are just living their lives, all those minorities DON'T have access to the same benefits, opportunities to buy houses and real estate, grow up in decent neighborhood, etc, because they COULDN'T get the job because the test given to them wasn't fair to them.

You're not talking about JUST saving LIVES, you're also talking about a person's LIVELYHOOD.


That dosent even make any sense, THEY ARE SAVING LIVES THATS THE JOB THEIR APPLYING FOR, and what about the dude WHO MADE 100 who cant buy a house and real estate ect ect because even though they were more qualified for the job they didnt get it to make sure that the lesser qualified person has the ability to buy a house??
Free Man 7:25 PM - 5 November, 2010
Wait.. He's Black? I thought he told everyone that he's Hawaiian. Wouldnt that mean he is either Japaneese or Polynesian? Or a tourist?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:26 PM - 5 November, 2010
For example, what do you say to a thousand minority families who had 1000 qualified applicants for a job, but didn't get it because a test was somehow "skewed"?

How do you FIX THAT?

Do you just fix the TEST, and from this point forward say, OK EVERYTHINGS GONNA BE ALRIGHT....

Or do you have a responsibility to address those who were "cheated" out of a better lifestyle because someone worded a test using a vocabulary common to those who went to PRIVATE SCHOOL vs. PUBLIC school.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:26 PM - 5 November, 2010
For example, what do you say to a thousand minority families who had 1000 qualified applicants for a job, but didn't get it because a test was somehow "skewed"?

How do you FIX THAT?

Do you just fix the TEST, and from this point forward say, OK EVERYTHINGS GONNA BE ALRIGHT....

Or do you have a responsibility to address those who were "cheated" out of a better lifestyle because someone worded a test using a vocabulary common to those who went to PRIVATE SCHOOL vs. PUBLIC school.
DJ Sniffles 7:27 PM - 5 November, 2010
Stevie they probably got you on the psychological test =P
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:27 PM - 5 November, 2010
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As for the 70% vs. 100% thing, of course you'd want someone with 100%, but when there ARENT' any fires going on, and people are just living their lives, all those minorities DON'T have access to the same benefits, opportunities to buy houses and real estate, grow up in decent neighborhood, etc, because they COULDN'T get the job because the test given to them wasn't fair to them.

You're not talking about JUST saving LIVES, you're also talking about a person's LIVELYHOOD.


That dosent even make any sense, THEY ARE SAVING LIVES THATS THE JOB THEIR APPLYING FOR, and what about the dude WHO MADE 100 who cant buy a house and real estate ect ect because even though they were more qualified for the job they didnt get it to make sure that the lesser qualified person has the ability to buy a house??


Yep, but plenty of MINORITY FIREFIGHTERS COULD ALSO HAVE BEEN SAVING LIVES, and they missed out on that chance, so this is how they "Fix it".

Kinda like retribution, but not really.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:28 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Wait.. He's Black? I thought he told everyone that he's Hawaiian. Wouldnt that mean he is either Japaneese or Polynesian? Or a tourist?


You mean DJ TOGTFO.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:30 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Stevie they probably got you on the psychological test =P



nah he failed the physical once the Dr found that 3 year old untreated hemroid
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:30 PM - 5 November, 2010
Then cussed the Dr out for bein gay and tried to grab his nuts by tricking into turning his head
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:32 PM - 5 November, 2010
Y'all dont' even get it.

OBAMA is part of that retribution, that's why he was "ALLOWED" to be elected..

So now people can say, HEY WE'RE NO LONGER A RACIST COUNTRY, we've had a black president, so now LET'S MOVE ON...

But trust OBAMA was SAFE for MOST white people....because he had personal TIES to whites.

Don't get an AL SHARPTON or someone of the like in there...

Then you'd see some sparks...

You know, that's even scary for ME to think about...
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:34 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Y'all dont' even get it.

OBAMA is part of that retribution, that's why he was "ALLOWED" to be elected..



and look how well thats turnin out for everyone, that shows what happens when you dont give it to someone whos the most qualified LOL
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:35 PM - 5 November, 2010
Who was more qualified than OBAMA?

It was the lessor of 2 evils...
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:36 PM - 5 November, 2010
exactly...WE NEED TO FIND SOMEONE WHOS QUALIFIED
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:37 PM - 5 November, 2010
But when BOTH Candidates don't cut the mustard, then what?
DJ Sniffles 7:38 PM - 5 November, 2010
Revolt!
Free Man 7:44 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Who was more qualified than OBAMA?

It was the lessor of 2 evils...



That's what i'm sayin... so many people say lesser of 2 evils...

With all the people in the country, WHY THOSE 2??? They couldnt find someone better? I would have loved to have Mitt Romney as President... If he can run the white house like his business then the country is in good shape for sure!
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:48 PM - 5 November, 2010
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With all the people in the country, WHY THOSE 2??? They couldnt find someone better?


exactly
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:51 PM - 5 November, 2010
I think the biggest problem with our current political system is the people wanting to vote for someone they can relate to, someone they can drink a beer with, someone whos "like them". When obama was running he had an image problem because people thought he was an "elitest" and didnt connect with the people, hell thats why people liked bush and clinton cause they were like one of the boys. Fuck that if you take a step back and look at the big picture 95% give or take of the people in this country are fucking idiots, we need to start finding qualified people, really intelligent people, and surrounding them with more intelligent people to do the job.
Free Man 7:54 PM - 5 November, 2010
That's why i brought up Mitt Romney... Dude is smart. I grew up in Silicon Valley... I know a lot of VERY smart people. Sadly, I look up to them and trust them a lot more than the dude who is the face of our country
DJ Tecniq 7:59 PM - 5 November, 2010
this is one funny ass thread. I feel sooo sad for ppl who thought he was going to change the world and fed into his "change" speech. Atleast I can say I wasn't brainwashed into his bullshit. Sure he's a great speaker but that's just what he is a socialist I did not vote for him and im proud i didn't buy into his propaganda. He only won cause all of the hard working americans were WORKING! lmfao...kidding
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:59 PM - 5 November, 2010
If Mccain had chosen him over Palin his campain would have at least stood a chance. Dude seems inteligent enough but i have to keep in question the inteligence of anyone who adheres to the mormon faith lol
DJ Sniffles 8:02 PM - 5 November, 2010
Keith Olberman suspended indefinitely for donating to Democratic party members. It is against network policy.
DJ Tecniq 8:09 PM - 5 November, 2010
It was all a marketing scheme...young vs. the old and he won with very little experience. Now he runs the country what a crock of shit. If you won't even salute to the flag then gtfo of america. Everyone that voted for him must feel stupid. Only intelligent ppl with common knowledge knew this man couldn't change the world. Dude has traveled the world doing nothing! Troops were supposed to come back well...look what happened they are still fucking there. Good job America!
AKIEM 8:12 PM - 5 November, 2010
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For example we notice, name, and add 'some' meaning to shit like car colors - but we humans have not automatically formed a system of worth based on car colors. Pretty much the car is going to cost about the same whatever color you choose.


acutually the color of the car has to do with basic human psycology as well


First, your argument is based on facts from INSIDE the racist 'color obsessed' system that atributes so much meaning to color. So you example would only make sense if it were talking about ANOTHER none-racist society.

Secondly, we dont have a class system bassed on what color car you have. so posting some psudo-psychological crap about what kind of person you are bassed on car color (sounds like Cosmo magazine) is trash.

And the WEEEEAKEST way to argue is pull out the guys analogy and attack that as if you are making a point about the argument at hand.
stevie o 8:13 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Stevie they probably got you on the psychological test =P


false. I passed everything.
stevie o 8:16 PM - 5 November, 2010
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For example, what do you say to a thousand minority families who had 1000 qualified applicants for a job, but didn't get it because a test was somehow "skewed"?

How do you FIX THAT?

Do you just fix the TEST, and from this point forward say, OK EVERYTHINGS GONNA BE ALRIGHT....

Or do you have a responsibility to address those who were "cheated" out of a better lifestyle because someone worded a test using a vocabulary common to those who went to PRIVATE SCHOOL vs. PUBLIC school.


Johnny the test consists of looking at pictures and determining what the correct course of action would be. Or lookin at a picture of which way traffic is flowing and determining which route would be faster to get to the fire. And there is a memory section where you look at 1 picture for 5 mins and then answer 5 questions based on the picture you just stared at. I can see how i am clearly favored to pass this test over a minority due to my priveledged background of looking at pictures.
stevie o 8:17 PM - 5 November, 2010
What vocabulary are you talking about.

unbelievable.
Free Man 8:18 PM - 5 November, 2010
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If Mccain had chosen him over Palin his campain would have at least stood a chance. Dude seems inteligent enough but i have to keep in question the inteligence of anyone who adheres to the mormon faith lol


Cause he's honest? Look at his company... Seriously, if he can be that successful, why wouldnt you trust him as a President? So what if he's a Mormon. it's 2010 some people are stuck on religion and hate someone cause they don't go to the same church. If he goes to church on sunday then good for him... it's a lot more than most americans do.

The last person i want to be president is a professional politician...
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:21 PM - 5 November, 2010
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And the WEEEEAKEST way to argue is pull out the guys analogy and attack that as if you are making a point about the argument at hand.


Which is why i posted the scientific study that proved my whole point tp my argument right after that, that had nothing to do with your analagy, that was explaining why Prejudice\stereotypes exist
DJ Tecniq 8:22 PM - 5 November, 2010
lol..this is a bad actor but it's priceless lmfao SNL ripping on Obama & his accomplishments & promises.

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Sniffles 8:22 PM - 5 November, 2010
Mormanism is a borderline cult. It's up there with Scientology. We need an atheist in office.
DJ Tecniq 8:24 PM - 5 November, 2010
AKIEM 8:24 PM - 5 November, 2010
and again you using facts drawn from INSIDE the system (doubt you understand that)

but- the problem is not putting things into categories to try and make a judgement about less then enough information. The problem is how we ASSIGNING WORTH to those categories not that we see them. Again as I have been saying its the VALUE SYSTEM, class and stratification.

If you're White, You're Right;

If You're Black, Stay Back;

If you're Brown, Stick Around.

If we placed very little to no value in these differences we would not have the same problem. But our societies come from systems that placed EXTREME importants to these differences. It is the VALUE SYSTEM that is learned and can be unlearned.




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But do all stereotypes represent a way of feeling better about ourselves? Can't we hold stereotypes just because we have limited information or experience?
Yes, stereotypes can develop because of limited information. At the most basic level, stereotypes are related to the basic mental process of categorization. Our brains are very good at forming categories: good versus bad, edible versus nonedible, friend versus foe. Without these generalized concepts and categories, getting through the day would demand an overwhelming amount of analysis and careful consideration of every object and person we came into contact with. Categorization helps us take shortcuts and helps us become more efficient in making decisions and acting.

When a waiter at a restaurant comes to our table with a small pad and pencil, we prepare to give him our order. We don't have to spend much mental effort wondering: "Are you our waiter? Can we give you our order?" In recent years, psychologists have been recognizing just how much of this processing takes place automatically without our even being aware that we are doing it. Stereotypes in the sense of categories and concepts help us organize our thinking, helping us to perceive and remember more than we would without these aids. The problem with the stereotypes about social groups that underlie prejudice is that the categorization processes do not result in accurate generalizations. While the man in the restaurant with a pad and pencil is most probably a waiter, the African American, old, Jewish, gay, disabled, Hispanic, Catholic, Irish, or obese person to whom we apply a stereotype probably does not fit that stereotype as well as we assume.

But if the brain is so efficient at categorization, why doesn't experience correct inaccurate stereotypes?
Before answering that question, it is important to note that we may not be exposed to very much experience in our daily life that would contradict our stereotypes. For example, residential segregation keeps the home lives of different racial groups separate to some degree. But also, our stereotypes of other groups ("out groups") often lead to feelings of anxiety when we encounter the members of an out group. One of the oldest insights of psychology is that a main way we deal with anxiety is through avoidance: We simply avoid contact with individuals by crossing the street, turning our heads, talking to someone else, hiring someone else for a job, striking up friendships with someone else we feel more comfortable with, sitting down at the lunch table with those who seem to be more like us.

Returning to the question of why stereotypes persist in the face of contradictory experience, we find two main answers. The first is that because stereotypes may help us feel better about ourselves, we avoid challenging these stereotypes. In other words, we become defensive and protective of our worldviews and only reluctantly question our deepest assumptions. And these worldviews help protect not only our self-esteem, but also real-world privileges and benefits that accrue to us as members of an in group. For example, racist discrimination by banks that hurts African American communities by limiting mortgages to these areas also benefits White neighborhoods by making more money available to them. Discrimination which in the past has limited slots available to Jews or African Americans or Asian Americans at universities has benefitted the majority population by making more slots available to its members. So, maintaining our prejudiced views of others allows us to feel better about our own group and to avoid challenging unfair social practices that benefit us.

Psychologists have found that we put energy into various mechanisms that help us maintain our view of the world. For example, we can seek out and pay attention to information that supports our views. Evidence suggests that the more strongly we hold a stereotype, the more we tend to remember confirming information about the group. There is a kind of circular process here: For example, the more we believe stereotypes about gay men being effeminate, the more likely we will remember incidents which seem to support these views.

We also discount or rationalize information that is contradictory to our beliefs. The Black person who is intelligent and articulate, the gay man who is not effeminate, or the Jewish person who is not pushy become exceptions to the rule, but the rule remains. And we may look more closely for grammatical mistakes in the Black person's speech than in a White person's; or we may think that the gay man has developed a public persona designed to fool us; or that the Jewish person is especially clever in working his or her exploitive influence behind our back.



www.apa.org
AKIEM 8:26 PM - 5 November, 2010
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Mormanism is a borderline cult. It's up there with Scientology. We need an atheist in office.


...and I would probably vote for an atheist who had a chance (even though I would still have the same skepticism about him doing what I think he should, even if he promised)
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:27 PM - 5 November, 2010
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If you're White, You're Right;

If You're Black, Stay Back;

If you're Brown, Stick Around.



I guess over half of america missed that sign on the way to electing a black man to the most powerful position on the planet
Free Man 8:28 PM - 5 November, 2010
I'd vote for Romney over Obama...
DJ Tecniq 8:54 PM - 5 November, 2010
How many of you got request for my president is black after obama won the election? show of hands....i did but i never downloaded it or played it. That doesn't make me racist does it? I just think it's a ghetto song and should of never been created lol..cause he's not even black.
DJ TOGTFO 8:58 PM - 5 November, 2010
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I'd vote for Romney over Obama...

youd vote for a man who believes in space ships n shit?
DJ Tecniq 9:32 PM - 5 November, 2010
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I'd vote for Romney over Obama...

youd vote for a man who believes in space ships n shit?
what is your point? one of the greatest minds in the world stephen hawking believes extra terrestrials are among us. I'm not certain about the space ships but i def believe we aren't alone in this universe. There are planets out there that can supply water and where there's water there's life.
DJ Michael Basic 9:36 PM - 5 November, 2010
Still waiting for anyone to respond to my posts. I was asked if I knew anything about Reagan and Reaganomics...I posted factually drawing comparisons between Obama and Reagan. Ignored.

I posted this a few times, and also, ignored:

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I want you naysayers to respond to this directly. When the bush tax cuts went into effect...where was the job growth republicans promise is a result of such policy? Our country lost jobs but the hundreds of thousands during the time when the richest were paying the lowest taxes in the history of our country.


I'll note, that another Jobs report came out today...we gained another 150k or so private sector jobs...pushing us over the 1million private sector job growth mark over the past 8 months.

As i pointed out before...this presidency is much like Reagan. They both took office under bad circumstances, by 2 years in, the unemployment numbers were around 9.5%.

If you're narrative is that all presidents are bad, our system is broken and nothing will ever be ok...I can't really argue with you.

If you're going to sit there and say Reagan was a saint, Obama is the antichrist, and our system is broken, let's go back to the way the founding fathers intended...I'll say you aren't paying attention or are just brainwashed by Fox news, because Reagan and Obama have been very similar so far, as described in my Reagan post above.

Meanwhile, you can't have it both ways. our system is working how the founding fathers intended. it always amuses me how conservatives talk out of both sides of their mouth...constitutionalist when it serves, wanting to repeal amendments what that suits more. Saying the system is broken when things don't go their way, even though it is working exactly how the founding fathers intended.

One more thing to note here.

If republicans go in and govern with the idea that this last election was a mandate for them to go in there and push their agenda...they had better think again, or 2012 will be another wave election in the other direction.

Let's look at a few things that happened on tuesday. Turnout was VASTLY conservative. the majority of people who came out to vote were conservative, affluent, and middle aged to older. Keep that in mind as we parse some statistics.

Democrat party favorability (43%), unfavorable (53%)
GOP favorable (41%) unfavorable (53%)

Obama has a 45% approval rating (remember, this is a majority conservative electorate being polled)

Healthcare Bill? What should be done?
Expand it: 31%
Leave it alone: 16%
Repeal it: 48%
Undecided: 5%

Again, remember this is a conservative electorate...Clearly there is no overwhelming majority wanting to repeal the healthcare bill. If only 48% of a mostly conservative electrote wants to repeal, while 31% want to expand and 16% want to leave it alone, it shows a country split...which clearly means that the republicans do not go into office with some Mandate to repeal. Same with the Bush tax cuts:

Extend tax cuts for:
All Americans: 39%
Familes Under $250,000: 37%
No one: 15%
Undecided: 9%

There are more exit polls which show basically the same thing...the country is split on these issues, anyone telling you that "The American People" want this or that are really just pushing their own agenda.

if the republicans aren't careful about how they proceed, look for the fourth major swing in a row come 2012, with Obama at the helm for another 4.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:39 PM - 5 November, 2010
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]what is your point? one of the greatest minds in the world stephen hawking believes extra terrestrials are among us.


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"To my mathematical brain, the numbers alone make thinking about aliens perfectly rational," Hawking says in a new Discovery Channel series called Stephen Hawking's Universe. "The real challenge is to work out what aliens might actually be like."


But since we are quoting the great minds heres one for ya

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"I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate (the) grave evils (of capitalism), namely through the establishment of a socialist economy, accompanied by an educational system which would be oriented toward social goals. In such an economy, the means of production are owned by society itself and are utilized in a planned fashion. A planned economy, which adjusts production to the needs of the community, would distribute the work to be done among all those able to work and would guarantee a livelihood to every man, woman, and child. The education of the individual, in addition to promoting his own innate abilities, would attempt to develop in him a sense of responsibility for his fellow-men in place of the glorification of power and success in our present society."

Albert Einstein, Why Socialism?, 1949
Free Man 10:34 PM - 5 November, 2010
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I'd vote for Romney over Obama...

youd vote for a man who believes in space ships n shit?
what is your point? one of the greatest minds in the world stephen hawking believes extra terrestrials are among us. I'm not certain about the space ships but i def believe we aren't alone in this universe. There are planets out there that can supply water and where there's water there's life.


Doesn't NASA make space ships?
sixxx 11:30 PM - 5 November, 2010
There is no escaping racism because sometime, somewhere, one idiot from your race (whatever that may be) will do something against someone of another race which will make that person hate his/her guts.

So, if you think racism can be stopped. You need to stop smockin' pot. lol
dj_craigmac 11:46 PM - 5 November, 2010
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I'd vote for Romney over Obama...




you would probably vote for pauly d or the situation over obama too?
Free Man 11:58 PM - 5 November, 2010
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I'd vote for Romney over Obama...




you would probably vote for pauly d or the situation over obama too?



wow! thats a great idea... next time around i'll write that on the ballot! has anyone told you that you're smart today?

didnt think so...
dj_craigmac 12:19 AM - 6 November, 2010
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I'd vote for Romney over Obama...




you would probably vote for pauly d or the situation over obama too?



wow! thats a great idea... next time around i'll write that on the ballot! has anyone told you that you're smart today?

didnt think so...



Angry aren't we ? lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:37 AM - 6 November, 2010
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For example, what do you say to a thousand minority families who had 1000 qualified applicants for a job, but didn't get it because a test was somehow "skewed"?

How do you FIX THAT?

Do you just fix the TEST, and from this point forward say, OK EVERYTHINGS GONNA BE ALRIGHT....

Or do you have a responsibility to address those who were "cheated" out of a better lifestyle because someone worded a test using a vocabulary common to those who went to PRIVATE SCHOOL vs. PUBLIC school.


Johnny the test consists of looking at pictures and determining what the correct course of action would be. Or lookin at a picture of which way traffic is flowing and determining which route would be faster to get to the fire. And there is a memory section where you look at 1 picture for 5 mins and then answer 5 questions based on the picture you just stared at. I can see how i am clearly favored to pass this test over a minority due to my priveledged background of looking at pictures.


Dude, you're talking about 'TODAY'S TEST" that has been adapted to meet the "standards" for everyone.

Who knows what the previous test looked like?

And why are we even arguing the detail at that level?

The point is that they determined that SOMETHING wasn't right in the previous admission of those tests, and this is their way of fixing it.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:44 AM - 6 November, 2010
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lol..this is a bad actor but it's priceless lmfao SNL ripping on Obama & his accomplishments & promises.

Watchwww.youtube.com javascript:void(0);


That's not the one that REALLY caused a stir.

And as much a "Parody" as it was supposed to be, it rang LOUDLY with the sentiment of the nation, and thus began the downward spiral of his approval rating...

SNL is no joke.
stevie o 12:47 AM - 6 November, 2010
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For example, what do you say to a thousand minority families who had 1000 qualified applicants for a job, but didn't get it because a test was somehow "skewed"?

How do you FIX THAT?

Do you just fix the TEST, and from this point forward say, OK EVERYTHINGS GONNA BE ALRIGHT....

Or do you have a responsibility to address those who were "cheated" out of a better lifestyle because someone worded a test using a vocabulary common to those who went to PRIVATE SCHOOL vs. PUBLIC school.


Johnny the test consists of looking at pictures and determining what the correct course of action would be. Or lookin at a picture of which way traffic is flowing and determining which route would be faster to get to the fire. And there is a memory section where you look at 1 picture for 5 mins and then answer 5 questions based on the picture you just stared at. I can see how i am clearly favored to pass this test over a minority due to my priveledged background of looking at pictures.


Dude, you're talking about 'TODAY'S TEST" that has been adapted to meet the "standards" for everyone.

Who knows what the previous test looked like?

And why are we even arguing the detail at that level?

The point is that they determined that SOMETHING wasn't right in the previous admission of those tests, and this is their way of fixing it.


I am talkin about the last test given man. It was in late 2007. There hasn't been a test since. I took that test. I also took the test in 2004 and 1999. This recent test was given at a 3rd grade level. This was also the most diverse group to take the test. The Vulcans determined in was a rascist test because more whites did better on the test than minorities. Now the test is being thrown out and no one will get hired. Have you ever thought of why the majority of firefighters in new york are white? Its because more whites take the test than non whites. Or did you think the Fire department officials go to only the white neighborhoods and hand pick only white people to hire? I know your smarter than this man.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:49 AM - 6 November, 2010
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HAHAHAHA!! Watchwww.youtube.com javascript:void(0);


YEAH, that's the skit that brought him down...

SMH...lol...

I'm sayin tho.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:51 AM - 6 November, 2010
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If you're White, You're Right;

If You're Black, Stay Back;

If you're Brown, Stick Around.



I guess over half of america missed that sign on the way to electing a black man to the most powerful position on the planet


Here is the "RACISM IS OVER" prelude because a Black man was elected...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:53 AM - 6 November, 2010
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..cause he's not even black.


That's ridiculous...

He's a very "Well Rounded" and "Non-Combative" black man, but he's still black...

People STILL want to kill him because of his skin color.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:00 AM - 6 November, 2010
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Have you ever thought of why the majority of firefighters in new york are white? Its because more whites take the test than non whites. Or did you think the Fire department officials go to only the white neighborhoods and hand pick only white people to hire? I know your smarter than this man.


Man, you don't see the big picture. Like I said, you're living in TODAY, but you don't see the effects of YESTERDAY, so they made changes to effect TOMORROW.

You're just in the middle of it all.

The disproportionate numbers MEAN SOMETHING, that's not just the luck of the draw, it's a systematic (some may say INTENTIONAL or NOT), screening system that had flaws, and they made ADJUSTMENTS.

Like I said, what do you do to FIX those 1000's of MINORITY FAMILIES that didn't get a proper shot at it?

You can't just put ONE WAY sign back up, and not go after the people who went down the street the wrong way.
d:raf 1:04 AM - 6 November, 2010
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lol..this is a bad actor but it's priceless lmfao SNL ripping on Obama & his accomplishments & promises.

Watchwww.youtube.com


I liked Phil Hartman's portrayal or Reagan better: Watchwww.youtube.com

SNL has a great tradition of mocking political figures... lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:05 AM - 6 November, 2010
Yo, Sarah Palin was FINISHED after SNL got on that azz...

I'm mean really..

SNL is NO JOKE....
stevie o 1:05 AM - 6 November, 2010
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Have you ever thought of why the majority of firefighters in new york are white? Its because more whites take the test than non whites. Or did you think the Fire department officials go to only the white neighborhoods and hand pick only white people to hire? I know your smarter than this man.


Man, you don't see the big picture. Like I said, you're living in TODAY, but you don't see the effects of YESTERDAY, so they made changes to effect TOMORROW.

You're just in the middle of it all.

The disproportionate numbers MEAN SOMETHING, that's not just the luck of the draw, it's a systematic (some may say INTENTIONAL or NOT), screening system that had flaws, and they made ADJUSTMENTS.

Like I said, what do you do to FIX those 1000's of MINORITY FAMILIES that didn't get a proper shot at it?

You can't just put ONE WAY sign back up, and not go after the people who went down the street the wrong way.


Your not understanding that 1000 minority families all have the right and ability to take the test and based on their score, they would get hired. You want what the Vulcan society wants, For only whites to take the test and for minorities to get handed a living. The world dont work that way. No one owes you anything. Take the test, score high and get placed fairly based on your score
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:10 AM - 6 November, 2010
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Your not understanding that 1000 minority families all have the right and ability to take the test and based on their score, they would get hired. You want what the Vulcan society wants, For only whites to take the test and for minorities to get handed a living. The world dont work that way. No one owes you anything. Take the test, score high and get placed fairly based on your score


LOL! Don't get MAD at me, I'm just telling you LIKE IT IS.

The only problem here is that now YOU'RE the one being treated like a "Minority".

Doesn't feel good does it?

Imagine your CURRENT FEELING multiplied across an entire race of people FOR YEARS...

What you want now is "Equal Rights".

I don't agree with "Handing anyone a living", but check this out...

I won't REFUSE IT, because I, myself HAVE been discriminated against, on the street, and at work...

So, hey, if they're gonna FIX it for me, then so be it.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:11 AM - 6 November, 2010
Hell, I had to straighten a few of YOU OUT ON HERE some time ago...

And cats STILL want to use the "N" word...

Man, it is what it is.
stevie o 1:16 AM - 6 November, 2010
Most people that took this test black or white were born after 1980. What are you talking about? Am I responsible for Slavery?
AKIEM 1:19 AM - 6 November, 2010
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There is no escaping racism because sometime, somewhere, one idiot from your race (whatever that may be) will do something against someone of another race which will make that person hate his/her guts.

So, if you think racism can be stopped. You need to stop smockin' pot. lol


I dont smoke weed. But from historical reading I have done, there have been cultural interactions, or multi-cultural societies without racism, or at least hardly the way we deal with it. If it has been this way in the past, it can be in the future.

Most of the racism we deal with was formulated by 500 years of Europeans attempting to dominate the the world. Racism always played a role in this domination. If this did not happen would we have racism today?

I believe there is a way to reverse or erase this racism and leave it in history books, but It might take 500 years to undo.

We can have a society without racism, there have been such societies in the past, there can be in the future.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:19 AM - 6 November, 2010
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Most people that took this test black or white were born after 1980. What are you talking about? Am I responsible for Slavery?


You personally? No...

But those before you, who helped set up a systematic way of having a skewed test...

YES.

So, for that "crime", there is "punishment", and you're unfortunately lodged within the timeframe of that "correction".

One day it will even out...

That day just isn't today...

And tomorrow doesn't look good either...

Like I said, it is what is is.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:21 AM - 6 November, 2010
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I believe there is a way to reverse or erase this racism and leave it in history books, but It might take 500 years to undo.


I have to agree with that...
stevie o 1:30 AM - 6 November, 2010
dj_KaSE 3:08 AM - 6 November, 2010
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Still waiting for anyone to respond to my posts. I was asked if I knew anything about Reagan and Reaganomics...I posted factually drawing comparisons between Obama and Reagan. Ignored.

I posted this a few times, and also, ignored:

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I want you naysayers to respond to this directly. When the bush tax cuts went into effect...where was the job growth republicans promise is a result of such policy? Our country lost jobs but the hundreds of thousands during the time when the richest were paying the lowest taxes in the history of our country.


I'll note, that another Jobs report came out today...we gained another 150k or so private sector jobs...pushing us over the 1million private sector job growth mark over the past 8 months.

As i pointed out before...this presidency is much like Reagan. They both took office under bad circumstances, by 2 years in, the unemployment numbers were around 9.5%.

If you're narrative is that all presidents are bad, our system is broken and nothing will ever be ok...I can't really argue with you.

If you're going to sit there and say Reagan was a saint, Obama is the antichrist, and our system is broken, let's go back to the way the founding fathers intended...I'll say you aren't paying attention or are just brainwashed by Fox news, because Reagan and Obama have been very similar so far, as described in my Reagan post above.

Meanwhile, you can't have it both ways. our system is working how the founding fathers intended. it always amuses me how conservatives talk out of both sides of their mouth...constitutionalist when it serves, wanting to repeal amendments what that suits more. Saying the system is broken when things don't go their way, even though it is working exactly how the founding fathers intended.

One more thing to note here.

If republicans go in and govern with the idea that this last election was a mandate for them to go in there and push their agenda...they had better think again, or 2012 will be another wave election in the other direction.

Let's look at a few things that happened on tuesday. Turnout was VASTLY conservative. the majority of people who came out to vote were conservative, affluent, and middle aged to older. Keep that in mind as we parse some statistics.

Democrat party favorability (43%), unfavorable (53%)
GOP favorable (41%) unfavorable (53%)

Obama has a 45% approval rating (remember, this is a majority conservative electorate being polled)

Healthcare Bill? What should be done?
Expand it: 31%
Leave it alone: 16%
Repeal it: 48%
Undecided: 5%

Again, remember this is a conservative electorate...Clearly there is no overwhelming majority wanting to repeal the healthcare bill. If only 48% of a mostly conservative electrote wants to repeal, while 31% want to expand and 16% want to leave it alone, it shows a country split...which clearly means that the republicans do not go into office with some Mandate to repeal. Same with the Bush tax cuts:

Extend tax cuts for:
All Americans: 39%
Familes Under $250,000: 37%
No one: 15%
Undecided: 9%

There are more exit polls which show basically the same thing...the country is split on these issues, anyone telling you that "The American People" want this or that are really just pushing their own agenda.

if the republicans aren't careful about how they proceed, look for the fourth major swing in a row come 2012, with Obama at the helm for another 4.


I think the crickets signifiy that you shut everyone up about this. Very interesting.
Free Man 3:32 AM - 6 November, 2010
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Most people that took this test black or white were born after 1980. What are you talking about? Am I responsible for Slavery?


You personally? No...

But those before you, who helped set up a systematic way of having a skewed test...

YES.

So, for that "crime", there is "punishment", and you're unfortunately lodged within the timeframe of that "correction".

One day it will even out...

That day just isn't today...

And tomorrow doesn't look good either...

Like I said, it is what is is.


lol... i had a thought... a grass hopper feels picked on cause the spiders keep eatting his friends... so he doesnt have friends... he goes to the crickets, they dont want him, the lady bugs dont want him, so all those bugs get together and say that spiders cant eat grass hoppers anymore. that sounds as ridiculious to me as white people getting "punished" for slavery that happened a really long time ago... pshhh my family was still in europe at the time, so i shouldnt have to deal with it. follow the blood lined of the tobacco and cotton farmers. give it to them up the butt and call it good...

i've lived in the ghetto and been the only white dude for miles. some people didnt like me, but i had a great time with the people who didnt give a shit that my skin wasnt the same color.some people give a lot of other people a bad name. i dont owe anyone except my parents anything.

and i dont think anyone has the right to health insurance. firefighters and police are paid with tax dollars. are doctors going to begin to be considered government employees?
DJ Sniffles 8:26 AM - 6 November, 2010
AKIEM 8:33 AM - 6 November, 2010
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If you're White, You're Right;

If You're Black, Stay Back;

If you're Brown, Stick Around.


I guess over half of america missed that sign on the way to electing a black man to the most powerful position on the planet


The last several centuries you could travel most anyplace in the world and everyone will be familiar with the paradigm that places the so called White Man on top of the world and the Black Man on the bottom.

The election of Obama was important, but has not, will not, and can not change that paradigm.
AKIEM 8:35 AM - 6 November, 2010
I think steve is maybe just being a little 'too sensitive', emotional and maybe just does not understand the situation fully. just too quick to call it 'unfair'. Should just work a little harder.
AKIEM 9:12 AM - 6 November, 2010
three things I thought Bush did that had me wonder what any experience is worth:

1) originally calling the "war on terror" the "crusade against terror"
2) trying to let Dubai take over east coast port security
3) trying to appoint that chick to the supreme court, she had 0 judicial experience

and really who could trust McCain to appoint capable people after he chose Palin as a running mate?

My point is that Obamas 'lack of experience' is comparatively meaningless.
Obamas blunders are more 'mature' if you ask me.

1) various stimulis moves
2) healthcare bill (personal mandates)
3) handling the oil spill

outside of different policy, I cant see any reason to think McCain would have performed any better, regardless of experience.
DJMark 9:12 AM - 6 November, 2010
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I think steve is maybe just being a little 'too sensitive', emotional and maybe just does not understand the situation fully.


Considering that he referred to Ronald Reagan as "the most fiscally responsible president ever", I'd say it's more like he's extremely misinformed and/or brainwashed by selected propaganda. The Reagan administration deficit spending was a huge topic of political conversation in the 80's, including a lot of noise from old-school fiscal conservatives who were pretty horrified by it.

(I do give Reagan proper credit for providing a level of charisma, likability, projected strength/leadership and clear communicativeness about issues that had been mostly missing from the White House for nearly a couple decades by the time he took office. After Carter/Ford/Nixon/Johnson's personal liabilities and mis-steps, the emotional response to Reagan made perfect sense even to people who disagreed with him on many issues.)
DJMark 9:16 AM - 6 November, 2010
And speaking of Obama, why isn't anyone giving his administration and intelligence sources proper credit for stopping those bomb-laden packages from getting into the United States?

Could it be that, unlike Bush and his administration, that Obama is actually reading and paying proper attention to intelligence reports?

And what about that first 8 months of Bush's presidency, when he seemed to be chopping wood on his Crawford ranch almost the whole time? Anyone remember how weird those first 8 months of 2001 seemed?
AKIEM 10:16 AM - 6 November, 2010
concerning steve, I was actually talking about why he is claiming to be a victim of discrimination.

that first 8 months of Bush was very strange - I expected bad shit but was surprised by him doing some shit I did not expect and even agreed with on the surface (cant remember what at the moment)

I think it is very strange for Al-Qaeda Yemen to be targeting UPS.
Free Man 1:01 PM - 6 November, 2010
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And speaking of Obama, why isn't anyone giving his administration and intelligence sources proper credit for stopping those bomb-laden packages from getting into the United States?

Could it be that, unlike Bush and his administration, that Obama is actually reading and paying proper attention to intelligence reports?

And what about that first 8 months of Bush's presidency, when he seemed to be chopping wood on his Crawford ranch almost the whole time? Anyone remember how weird those first 8 months of 2001 seemed?


I think it is more odd for Obama to be going on talk shows, front row at MANY basket ball and sporting events, Martha's vineyard, Hawaii... etc etc etc...

Many people have said it seems like he has been running for a 2nd term as soon as he won the first vote. In a recent speech he said he had to go home to go take the dog out.

He's the president. Do something. for all the things that he's doing out of the office, I wonder who is in the office. Goes to show that he's not running the country, and just reads what the teleprompter says.

I bet a white secretary of a health care company writes his speeches. that is why he is so lost without the teleprompter
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:07 PM - 6 November, 2010
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(I do give Reagan proper credit for providing a level of charisma, likability, projected strength/leadership and clear communicativeness about issues that had been mostly missing from the White House for nearly a couple decades


I can't front. Reagan was DEFINITELY a leader. Kept an air of "Presidency" about him.
sixxx 5:27 PM - 6 November, 2010
Indeed
dj_craigmac 5:31 PM - 6 November, 2010
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(I do give Reagan proper credit for providing a level of charisma, likability, projected strength/leadership and clear communicativeness about issues that had been mostly missing from the White House for nearly a couple decades


I can't front. Reagan was DEFINITELY a leader. Kept an air of "Presidency" about him.




Probably cause he knew how to "ACT". All that acting experience made him more believable maybe? I'm just sayin...
stevie o 6:20 PM - 6 November, 2010
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I think steve is maybe just being a little 'too sensitive', emotional and maybe just does not understand the situation fully. just too quick to call it 'unfair'. Should just work a little harder.


Sensitive emotional? Work harder? Maybe you don't understand the situation. Let me rephrase. I scored higher on the same test that a minority took and according the the Vulcan society ( a black fraternity of firefighters in ny) the minority is entitled to the job even though I scored higher. Now explain to me how the fuck your response of work harder fits into this discussion? If you want to talk about hard work we can start a seperate discussion and I can guarantee my resume of hard work exceeds yours tenfold.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:35 PM - 6 November, 2010
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I think steve is maybe just being a little 'too sensitive', emotional and maybe just does not understand the situation fully. just too quick to call it 'unfair'. Should just work a little harder.


Sensitive emotional? Work harder? Maybe you don't understand the situation. Let me rephrase. I scored higher on the same test that a minority took and according the the Vulcan society ( a black fraternity of firefighters in ny) the minority is entitled to the job even though I scored higher. Now explain to me how the fuck your response of work harder fits into this discussion? If you want to talk about hard work we can start a seperate discussion and I can guarantee my resume of hard work exceeds yours tenfold.


Dude,

Like I said, you're just in the midst of a changing trend.

You're the right guy, at the wrong time...

It' happens.
stevie o 6:38 PM - 6 November, 2010
I know what your saying Johnny about wrong time wrong place. Your opinion is still wrong no matter what time in history we are in. I did nothing to deserve payback and this is not justice and a disgrace. Especially in 2010, and you know it.

I want to know how working harder is relevant in this Akiem
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:41 PM - 6 November, 2010
What you're not taking into account is, again how you arrived to this scenario.

Let's say this OPPORTUNITY was able to be presented to you because 1000 Minorities were "screened out" unfairly.

Better yet, let's talk about your reference to how you are or aren't impacted by the results of slavery.

If it's commonly accepted that America was built on the backs of slaves, and now the government says, "Ok we were wrong, let's fix it".

But meanwhile you're LIVING IN A HOUSE that was constructed for "free" on the back of someone's slave. How do you fix that?

Do you give up the house?

Do you pay a "portion" of that money back because it was unfairly procured in the 1st place?

Chances are NO, so now what? Just deal with it?

They've already said, "It was wrong", so they make up for it in various acts, like minority quotas.

Do you have a better solution?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:44 PM - 6 November, 2010
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I know what your saying Johnny about wrong time wrong place. Your opinion is still wrong no matter what time in history we are in. I did nothing to deserve payback and this is not justice and a disgrace. Especially in 2010, and you know it.


Dude, you talk like racism has ceased to exist in 2010.

You PERSONALLY may not have done anything to "deserve" payback, but your ancestors, or someone who looked just like them did.

And my OPINION can't be "wrong" no matter how you slice it.

YOUR PERCEPTION of my OPINION is what YOU may consider wrong, but that's only YOU.

You may not be able to relate because you may not have had the setbacks during your lifetime that MILLIONS of minorities have had.
Free Man 7:12 PM - 6 November, 2010
$10 billion in trade deals _ _ that the White House says will create about 54,000 jobs at home

www.ksl.com

hold shit... that seems like bullshit for figures. 10 billion for 54,000 jobs? and how much money does it send to India? FTS
d:raf 8:12 PM - 6 November, 2010


Half her script was already written for her.... lol

Side-by-side comparison for those with ADD.

Watchwww.youtube.com
stevie o 8:21 PM - 6 November, 2010
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What you're not taking into account is, again how you arrived to this scenario.

Let's say this OPPORTUNITY was able to be presented to you because 1000 Minorities were "screened out" unfairly.

Better yet, let's talk about your reference to how you are or aren't impacted by the results of slavery.

If it's commonly accepted that America was built on the backs of slaves, and now the government says, "Ok we were wrong, let's fix it".

Your reasoning is so off that it deserves no response. None of my ancestors were land owners or slave owners. The furthest I can trace back is to italy probably 200 years ago. If you want to go down that ridiculous road, How about the oppression Italians or any race that fled to the country were handed? Maybe I should jump up the list of employment because an Englishman punched a relative of mine in the face in 1795. This is retarded.
But meanwhile you're LIVING IN A HOUSE that was constructed for "free" on the back of someone's slave. How do you fix that?

Do you give up the house?

Do you pay a "portion" of that money back because it was unfairly procured in the 1st place?

Chances are NO, so now what? Just deal with it?

They've already said, "It was wrong", so they make up for it in various acts, like minority quotas.

Do you have a better solution?
stevie o 8:27 PM - 6 November, 2010
By the way 1000 minorities were not screened out unfairly. The FDNY spent more money on this test recruiting minorities than ever before. EVeryone that lives in any corner of NY was given the opportunity to take the test at no cost. Transportation to and from was also provided. EVERYONE was given the SAME test. How was anyone screened out unfairly. I know there are people reading this that can clearly see how there is a clear right and wrong but won't chime in because its me, however these are the facts. There was no screening out....
Side note. Because so many "minorities" took this test, there were many that scored high and now they are protesting because they went though what everyone else did, passed the test passed the physical and deserve their job because they earned it based on their score. Do you understand how this is ridiculous yet?
AKIEM 8:33 PM - 6 November, 2010
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I think steve is maybe just being a little 'too sensitive', emotional and maybe just does not understand the situation fully. just too quick to call it 'unfair'. Should just work a little harder.


Sensitive emotional? Work harder? Maybe you don't understand the situation. Let me rephrase. I scored higher on the same test that a minority took and according the the Vulcan society ( a black fraternity of firefighters in ny) the minority is entitled to the job even though I scored higher. Now explain to me how the fuck your response of work harder fits into this discussion? If you want to talk about hard work we can start a seperate discussion and I can guarantee my resume of hard work exceeds yours tenfold.



my apologies

I was just using answers for your situation that I get when I talk about being discriminated against. People tell me that maybe I dont understand the situation, maybe I am being sensitive, that maybe I am not willing to work harder.

So since you are claiming to be a victim here, I thought that I might try out responses that are given to me to see how I should respond to them. And I guess I am right to still have a problem with these practices against ME.

its frustrating being victimized isnt it?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:25 PM - 6 November, 2010
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What you're not taking into account is, again how you arrived to this scenario.

Let's say this OPPORTUNITY was able to be presented to you because 1000 Minorities were "screened out" unfairly.

Better yet, let's talk about your reference to how you are or aren't impacted by the results of slavery.

If it's commonly accepted that America was built on the backs of slaves, and now the government says, "Ok we were wrong, let's fix it".

But meanwhile you're LIVING IN A HOUSE that was constructed for "free" on the back of someone's slave. How do you fix that?

Do you give up the house?

Do you pay a "portion" of that money back because it was unfairly procured in the 1st place?

Chances are NO, so now what? Just deal with it?

They've already said, "It was wrong", so they make up for it in various acts, like minority quotas.

Do you have a better solution?
Your reasoning is so off that it deserves no response. None of my ancestors were land owners or slave owners. The furthest I can trace back is to italy probably 200 years ago. If you want to go down that ridiculous road, How about the oppression Italians or any race that fled to the country were handed? Maybe I should jump up the list of employment because an Englishman punched a relative of mine in the face in 1795. This is retarded.



Dude, we're not talking about what happened to YOUR ancestors, and living off the country that they built...

We're talking about what has been identified by Minorities and ultimately accepted by ...hold on...

NON-MINORITIES, and THEY wrote up some rules to fix it.

Don't blame the MINORITIES for PASSING LAWS AND MAKING CHANGES when it's ultimately the NON-MINORITIES who have the power to do so.

I'm assuming the "Vulcans" identified something wrong with the system, they brought it to somebody's attention...someone listened, and made a change.

You're just mad this didn't happen from the DOOR, because by now, everything would be equal.

Again, you're in the wrong place at the wrong time.

My argument is valid.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:31 PM - 6 November, 2010
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By the way 1000 minorities were not screened out unfairly. The FDNY spent more money on this test recruiting minorities than ever before. EVeryone that lives in any corner of NY was given the opportunity to take the test at no cost. Transportation to and from was also provided. EVERYONE was given the SAME test. How was anyone screened out unfairly. I know there are people reading this that can clearly see how there is a clear right and wrong but won't chime in because its me, however these are the facts. There was no screening out....
Side note. Because so many "minorities" took this test, there were many that scored high and now they are protesting because they went though what everyone else did, passed the test passed the physical and deserve their job because they earned it based on their score. Do you understand how this is ridiculous yet?


Again, you're assuming the playing field has been LEVELED.

IT HAS NOT.

Just because YOU don't see what racism and systematic screening has done OVER THE YEARS, you refuse to recognize how it affects the workplace, and neighborhoods of TODAY.

This is an age based test, and now 1000's of minorities ARE TOO OLD to have the chance to take back what was denied to them.

And WHO doesn't want to chime in on this because you're 'YOU?

As history of this board would suggest, THE MAJORITY NORMALLY DISAGREES with whatever I have to say on HOT TOPICS like this, unless I'm stating, cold, hard facts...

And here we are.

Are you saying your fellow board members are discriminating against YOU now?

C'mon son.
sixxx 9:34 PM - 6 November, 2010
Hi. I'm racism. Have we met?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:36 PM - 6 November, 2010
And a big distinction between what you said, which is

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None of my ancestors were land owners or slave owners. The furthest I can trace back is to italy probably 200 years ago. If you want to go down that ridiculous road, How about the oppression Italians or any race that fled to the country were handed?


No BLACK people were "choosing" to leave Africa, they were stolen and brought here.

Your people came here of their "Free Will".

And nobody is talking about how TODAY 1000's of MINORITIES were screened out of the test...

AGAIN, you're talking in TODAY'S TERMS, but not recognizing what happend YESTERDAY, and how it affects TOMORROW.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:37 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Hi. I'm racism. Have we met?


And Hello, I'm your distant cousin, Reverse Racism, I do believe we're related...

I've gotten to know Stevie-o pretty good...
DJ Michael Basic 9:38 PM - 6 November, 2010
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No BLACK people were "choosing" to leave Africa, they were stolen and brought here.


Sorry, I'm really not interested in this whole race debate...but I'd just like to point out...they weren't stolen...they were sold. Africans sold other Africans to the white man who then brought them over to America.

Carry on.
sixxx 9:39 PM - 6 November, 2010
hey Johnny, are you sure that NO BLACK chose to leave Africa? You can't forget that black peoole were trading and selling black people and many already lived abroad. Check history.
sixxx 9:39 PM - 6 November, 2010
mb got ahead of me lol nm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:40 PM - 6 November, 2010
Yesterday = Bad Situation

Today = Trying to fix effects of Bad Situation - May hurt a few feelings along the way, but we need to make things right

Tomorrow = Everything is Balanced Now - Let's Move On.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:41 PM - 6 November, 2010
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No BLACK people were "choosing" to leave Africa, they were stolen and brought here.


Sorry, I'm really not interested in this whole race debate...but I'd just like to point out...they weren't stolen...they were sold. Africans sold other Africans to the white man who then brought them over to America.

Carry on.


That may have been a PORTION, but the majority was what I mentioned.
sixxx 9:42 PM - 6 November, 2010
There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is just racism one way or another.
sixxx 9:42 PM - 6 November, 2010
majory vs NONE. You have been corrected.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:43 PM - 6 November, 2010
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hey Johnny, are you sure that NO BLACK chose to leave Africa? You can't forget that black peoole were trading and selling black people and many already lived abroad. Check history.


And I can also say that RACISM STILL EXISTS AMONGST BLACK PEOPLE THEMSELVES, which is still an entirely different issue, but one that needs a separate thread...

I'm just trying to answer Stevie-o's question of why he got "Passed Over".
sixxx 9:43 PM - 6 November, 2010
majority
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:43 PM - 6 November, 2010
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majory vs NONE. You have been corrected.


Who is Majory?
sixxx 9:44 PM - 6 November, 2010
he got passed over.... You mean affirmative action. Which wrong btw. The gov fucked up there.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:44 PM - 6 November, 2010
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There is no such thing as reverse racism. Racism is just racism one way or another.


Sure thre is, and Stevie-o is experiencing it.

Some call it "Affirmative Action".
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:44 PM - 6 November, 2010
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he got passed over.... You mean affirmative action. Which wrong btw. The gov fucked up there.


No they didn't, that's how they have to fix it, aside from making actual "Reparations".
sixxx 9:45 PM - 6 November, 2010
btw, reverse discrimination is NOT reverse racism
dj_craigmac 9:46 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Hi. I'm racism. Have we met?



yes we have met and u made me see that i'm a racist. lol. I hate all of you f*ckers; blacks, whites, asians, latinos,gays straights,humans, and aliens. If u dont originate from the planet lovetron u suck. If u dont belong to the race of craigmacanoids you suck and are inferior to my fellow craigmacanoids. Take dat (in my pdiddy voice)
sixxx 9:46 PM - 6 November, 2010
that wasn't a fix to racism. That was a fix to discrimination. Failed btw.
sixxx 9:47 PM - 6 November, 2010
lovetron. Planet of the gays. lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:48 PM - 6 November, 2010
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that wasn't a fix to racism. That was a fix to discrimination. Failed btw.


Discrimination BRED Racism dude.
AKIEM 9:49 PM - 6 November, 2010
I am not going to say Affirmative Action is 'right' - but how else should the problem be dealt with?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:50 PM - 6 November, 2010
In the sense that it was MOSTLY used to describe the "Prejudice" that Whites had against Blacks back in the day.

They were interchangeable at the time.

Now of course, you can DISCRIMINATE against ANYBODY without necessarily being "Racist".
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:50 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Which wrong btw. The gov fucked up there.


So how should they have fixed it?
dj_craigmac 9:50 PM - 6 November, 2010
People can we please lighten up ? Racism is forever. As long as there are humans with the emotion of hate there will always be racism just try not to be the person thats practicing racism.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:50 PM - 6 November, 2010
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I am not going to say Affirmative Action is 'right' - but how else should the problem be dealt with?


CO-SIGN!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:51 PM - 6 November, 2010
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People can we please lighten up ? Racism is forever. As long as there are humans with the emotion of hate there will always be racism just try not to be the person thats practicing racism.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:53 PM - 6 November, 2010
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People can we please lighten up ? Racism is forever. As long as there are humans with the emotion of hate there will always be racism just try not to be the person thats practicing racism.


I don't WANT to believe that it is FOREVER.

Only most recently has it been deemed OK for a Black male to date a WHITE female out in the open, and nobody REALLY take second looks and all that.

At one time, it was taboo, then a novelty, now it's just that they know the male is HOLDING lol...
sixxx 9:53 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Which wrong btw. The gov fucked up there.


So how should they have fixed it?


They already started going in the right direction a while ago. By helping the poor, underprivileged get a better education.

Affirmative Action was fucked up because it gave a fair advantage even if you were the dumbest, most unqualified person on the planet. All you had to meet was one requirement. That you were of a certain race or sex that fit their percentage criteria.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:53 PM - 6 November, 2010
But racism will eventually give way, as far as discriminating against SKIN COLOR is concerned, because in a minute, we'll ALL be the same shade...
AKIEM 9:54 PM - 6 November, 2010
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People can we please lighten up ? Racism is forever. As long as there are humans with the emotion of hate there will always be racism just try not to be the person thats practicing racism.


Again there have been societies in the past where "racism" was not an issue. Racism is not a human instinct, it is a learned paradigm. It is only 'forever' as long as people want to perpetrate it.
sixxx 9:54 PM - 6 November, 2010
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But racism will eventually give way, as far as discriminating against SKIN COLOR is concerned, because in a minute, we'll ALL be the same shade...


That's unrealistic. We will NEVER all be the same shade. Ever.
sixxx 9:55 PM - 6 November, 2010
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People can we please lighten up ? Racism is forever. As long as there are humans with the emotion of hate there will always be racism just try not to be the person thats practicing racism.


Again there have been societies in the past where "racism" was not an issue. Racism is not a human instinct, it is a learned paradigm. It is only 'forever' as long as people want to perpetrate it.


You mean a society where all the people from that society WERE OF THE SAME RACE? lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:56 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Which wrong btw. The gov fucked up there.


So how should they have fixed it?


They already started going in the right direction a while ago. By helping the poor, underprivileged get a better education.



But that wasn't GOOD ENOUGH, like I said, once it was determined that 1000's of Minorities were unjustly screened out for ANYTHING, they needed to fix it.

The result of that was a DISPROPORTIONATE AMOUNT of Minorites who were in bad neighborhoods, with poor schools, no jobs, and no way to escape the cycle.

They had to do stuff like BUSING to FORCE change and cause an interaction between cultures.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:57 PM - 6 November, 2010
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But racism will eventually give way, as far as discriminating against SKIN COLOR is concerned, because in a minute, we'll ALL be the same shade...


That's unrealistic. We will NEVER all be the same shade. Ever.


That is HARDLY unrealistic.
sixxx 9:57 PM - 6 November, 2010
Not being GOOD ENOUGH doesn't make it wrong.
sixxx 9:58 PM - 6 November, 2010
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But racism will eventually give way, as far as discriminating against SKIN COLOR is concerned, because in a minute, we'll ALL be the same shade...


That's unrealistic. We will NEVER all be the same shade. Ever.


That is HARDLY unrealistic.


So you're saying that now you want to apply some kind of affirmative action to procreation? lol

There are people of every race who will NEVER in a million years mingle or be attracted to any other race. That is why we will NEVER all be of the same color shade.
dj_craigmac 9:59 PM - 6 November, 2010
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as i stated, on the planet lovetron gays are hated too. craigmacanoids are EQUAL OPPORTUNITY HATERS. We hate everything and everybody equally. Our favorite drink is a nice tall glass of HATERAIDE.
sixxx 9:59 PM - 6 November, 2010
lol craigmac.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:59 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Yes it does when you multiply HOW many people were displaced because of a "screening process".

You've got communities now that will NEVER recover because of not being able to have a fair shot at jobs, or education, or real estate.
sixxx 10:00 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Not being GOOD ENOUGH doesn't make it wrong.


Yes it does when you multiply HOW many people were displaced because of a "screening process".

You've got communities now that will NEVER recover because of not being able to have a fair shot at jobs, or education, or real estate.


I guess people never heard of moving. huh
AKIEM 10:01 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Which wrong btw. The gov fucked up there.


So how should they have fixed it?


They already started going in the right direction a while ago. By helping the poor, underprivileged get a better education.

Affirmative Action was fucked up because it gave a fair advantage even if you were the dumbest, most unqualified person on the planet. All you had to meet was one requirement. That you were of a certain race or sex that fit their percentage criteria.


nah, I dont agree. mostly it just gave an advantage to "minorities". It assumes that there is or has been the reverse, a di
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People can we please lighten up ? Racism is forever. As long as there are humans with the emotion of hate there will always be racism just try not to be the person thats practicing racism.


Again there have been societies in the past where "racism" was not an issue. Racism is not a human instinct, it is a learned paradigm. It is only 'forever' as long as people want to perpetrate it.


You mean a society where all the people from that society WERE OF THE SAME RACE? lol


No. not at all. When columbus discovered America it was not the first time people of different races met. FAAAAAAAAAAAAR from it.

As long as there have been so called different races on the planet they met each other. AND a system of racism did not magically manifest from that meeting.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:02 PM - 6 November, 2010
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So you're saying that now you want to apply some kind of affirmative action to procreation? lol

There are people of every race who will NEVER in a million years mingle or be attracted to any other race. That is why we will NEVER all be of the same color shade.


You can't FORCE people to procreate that way, but with all the intermingling of races going on, we're a big melting pot now, and get along BETTER, so you're gonna have move people havin sex, and making babies that are mixed.

And those "MIXED" people want to be HEARD TOO.

You don't remember all that drama that unfolded when Obama said he was of some Mixed status, or something.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:03 PM - 6 November, 2010
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I guess people never heard of moving. huh


They COULDN'T AFFORD TO MOVE....

Stop playin' sixxx.
sixxx 10:03 PM - 6 November, 2010
Forget whites. Go back to tribes of any past civilization. Think of how tribes were discouraged to be mingling with other tribes. There. That was racism.
sixxx 10:04 PM - 6 November, 2010
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So you're saying that now you want to apply some kind of affirmative action to procreation? lol

There are people of every race who will NEVER in a million years mingle or be attracted to any other race. That is why we will NEVER all be of the same color shade.


You can't FORCE people to procreate that way, but with all the intermingling of races going on, we're a big melting pot now, and get along BETTER, so you're gonna have move people havin sex, and making babies that are mixed.

And those "MIXED" people want to be HEARD TOO.

You don't remember all that drama that unfolded when Obama said he was of some Mixed status, or something.


Stop playin' Johnny. Remember the good ol' US of A? The good ol' melting pot. It's hardly a melting pot. Look at the percentage of hispanics that are now in the entire nation. Tell me when are we going to all be of the same shade. lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:04 PM - 6 November, 2010
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ha ha, not that simple.
sixxx 10:05 PM - 6 November, 2010
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I guess people never heard of moving. huh


They COULDN'T AFFORD TO MOVE....

Stop playin' sixxx.


Couldn't or didn't want to. Have you ever heard of government assistance for families to want to move out of their "fucked up" communities? I have. :)
sixxx 10:06 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Forget whites.


ha ha, not that simple.


lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:07 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Stop playin' Johnny. Remember the good ol' US of A? The good ol' melting pot. It's hardly a melting pot. Look at the percentage of hispanics that are now in the entire nation. Tell me when are we going to all be of the same shade. lol


Man, I LOVE my Spanish mommies! (or Dominican chicks!)

But check this out...

Even THEY are making "changes" to the Good Ol US of A.

How many products do you see with BI-LINGUAL text on them?

English doesn't even seem to be the DOMINANT Language of the Nation anymore.

They are making their mark, and I'm not mad at that...

Hell, I've got Rosetta Stone on my PC now!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:08 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Couldn't or didn't want to. Have you ever heard of government assistance for families to want to move out of their "fucked up" communities? I have. :)


Dude, you really are grasping for straws, you really believe a PEOPLE WANTED TO STAY IN A BAD COMMUNITY, just because?

Stop playin...

The Gov't was handin' out cheese and diapers.
sixxx 10:10 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Stop playin' Johnny. Remember the good ol' US of A? The good ol' melting pot. It's hardly a melting pot. Look at the percentage of hispanics that are now in the entire nation. Tell me when are we going to all be of the same shade. lol


Man, I LOVE my Spanish mommies! (or Dominican chicks!)

But check this out...

Even THEY are making "changes" to the Good Ol US of A.

How many products do you see with BI-LINGUAL text on them?

English doesn't even seem to be the DOMINANT Language of the Nation anymore.

They are making their mark, and I'm not mad at that...

Hell, I've got Rosetta Stone on my PC now!


Yeah. That's LANGUAGE. That says nothing about them mingling outside their race. That's what they're called hispanics... not hismixes. :P
sixxx 10:12 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Couldn't or didn't want to. Have you ever heard of government assistance for families to want to move out of their "fucked up" communities? I have. :)


Dude, you really are grasping for straws, you really believe a PEOPLE WANTED TO STAY IN A BAD COMMUNITY, just because?

Stop playin...

The Gov't was handin' out cheese and diapers.


Not even reaching. I speak FROM EXPERIENCE. Remember that. Here in Bakersfield there is a neighborhood that is 90% blacks. It was the most fucked up neighborhood ever. Lots of crime. Lots of everything. The city tried and encouraged people to move. They didn't want to. Believe that.

That's the thing. People don't want to leave "home" very easily. That's just how it is. They rather stay in their fucked up community but have better jobs or whatever. That's the real fix. Not trying to move them. But you get my point.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:13 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Yeah. That's LANGUAGE. That says nothing about them mingling outside their race. That's what they're called hispanics... not hismixes. :P


Are you kidding? Are you saying that there aren't MORE SPANISH PEOPLE hanging out with their NON-WHITE Minority counterparts than ever?

This must be a CALI thing, cuz over here, they're ALL Fuckin...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:15 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Not even reaching. I speak FROM EXPERIENCE. Remember that. Here in Bakersfield there is a neighborhood that is 90% blacks. It was the most fucked up neighborhood ever. Lots of crime. Lots of everything. The city tried and encouraged people to move. They didn't want to. Believe that.

That's the thing. People don't want to leave "home" very easily. That's just how it is. They rather stay in their fucked up community but have better jobs or whatever. That's the real fix. Not trying to move them. But you get my point.


See, you're talking about TODAY'S ECONOMICS vs. the chances that were NOT allotted to them YEARS AGO.

Now, there is an "Advantage" to "Living in Da Hood".

Drugs. and LOTS of it.

Also, since JOBS are scarce ACROSS THE NATION, where are they going to move to and be able to FIND WORK?

The Gov't isn't moving ANYBODY without a job dude.
sixxx 10:16 PM - 6 November, 2010
You can look at it anyway you want, but there are people and there always be people that will not be attracted to anyone outside of what they look like.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:17 PM - 6 November, 2010
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You can look at it anyway you want, but there are people and there always be people that will not be attracted to anyone outside of what they look like.


Of course, have you ever heard of "Planet Brooklyn"?

People are BORN, RAISED, AND DIED there.

Never stepped foot outside of the Borough.

I mean literally.
dj_craigmac 10:18 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Stop playin' Johnny. Remember the good ol' US of A? The good ol' melting pot. It's hardly a melting pot. Look at the percentage of hispanics that are now in the entire nation. Tell me when are we going to all be of the same shade. lol






NEVER!!! No other group can mate with the higher race of craigmacanoids.
sixxx 10:18 PM - 6 November, 2010
So then you agree that it's unrealistic that one day we will all be the same shade? I mean, I'd love to think that it is possible but I hope not. Differences are what makes us rich as a human race.
sixxx 10:19 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Stop playin' Johnny. Remember the good ol' US of A? The good ol' melting pot. It's hardly a melting pot. Look at the percentage of hispanics that are now in the entire nation. Tell me when are we going to all be of the same shade. lol






NEVER!!! No other group can mate with the higher race of craigmacanoids.


hahahahaha
sixxx 10:19 PM - 6 November, 2010
and I will quote myself a

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So then you agree that it's unrealistic that one day we will all be the same shade? I mean, I'd love to think that it is possible but I hope not. Differences are what makes us rich as a human race.
sixxx 10:19 PM - 6 November, 2010
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So then you agree that it's unrealistic that one day we will all be the same shade? I mean, I'd love to think that it is possible but I hope not. Differences are what makes us rich as a human race.


and I will quote myself again and post it on facebook. lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:20 PM - 6 November, 2010
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So then you agree that it's unrealistic that one day we will all be the same shade? I mean, I'd love to think that it is possible but I hope not. Differences are what makes us rich as a human race.


No, we will eventually be all the same shade.

We may not live to see it, but you can already see it happening.
sixxx 10:22 PM - 6 November, 2010
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So then you agree that it's unrealistic that one day we will all be the same shade? I mean, I'd love to think that it is possible but I hope not. Differences are what makes us rich as a human race.


No, we will eventually be all the same shade.

We may not live to see it, but you can already see it happening.


I doubt it. I think Earth will be fucked up by humans before that even happens. Judging by percentages of how slowly the country is "melting". It would probably take billons of years. lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:22 PM - 6 November, 2010
Brooklyn is 1 borough dude, just to give you an example of what exists.

That's why it's call PLANET BROOKLYN.

Trust, with the age of the Internet, and dudes seeking out "Exotic" looking chicks, like have you looked at the Indian females lately?

Straight hotness...
sixxx 10:23 PM - 6 November, 2010
You have to take into consideration the fact that people who are 100% their race are being added to the country each year. So that alone sets back the whole thing.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:24 PM - 6 November, 2010
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You have to take into consideration the fact that people who are 100% their race are being added to the country each year. So that alone sets back the whole thing.


Well, once they get this IMMIGRATION REFORM GOING THAT'S gonna come to a screeching halt!

lol.

I DO hope the Republicans get THAT poppin..

No offense Sixxx.
sixxx 10:25 PM - 6 November, 2010
Interesting derailment. :)

Good stuff. My boy and girl just woke up from their nap so I'm going to enjoy them.
Talk to ya'll later. :)
sixxx 10:25 PM - 6 November, 2010
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You have to take into consideration the fact that people who are 100% their race are being added to the country each year. So that alone sets back the whole thing.


Well, once they get this IMMIGRATION REFORM GOING THAT'S gonna come to a screeching halt!

lol.

I DO hope the Republicans get THAT poppin..

No offense Sixxx.


No offense taken.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:26 PM - 6 November, 2010
Yep, where's Stevie-o at?
DJ Michael Basic 10:40 PM - 6 November, 2010
Well, this thread has completely devolved away from politics. Someone make a new thread and let me know when we wanna discuss that again.

Untracking.
eder 10:57 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Well, this thread has completely devolved away from politics. Someone make a new thread and let me know when we wanna discuss that again.

Untracking.

+! I love how every thread about politics on this board turns into a race debate. I'm out of this.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:07 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Well, this thread has completely devolved away from politics. Someone make a new thread and let me know when we wanna discuss that again.

Untracking.


You just mad that you scared everyone away with your unanswerable questions!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:07 PM - 6 November, 2010
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Well, this thread has completely devolved away from politics. Someone make a new thread and let me know when we wanna discuss that again.

Untracking.

+! I love how every thread about politics on this board turns into a race debate. I'm out of this.


That was Stevie-o's idea....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:18 PM - 6 November, 2010
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+! I love how every thread about politics on this board turns into a race debate. I'm out of this.


The one thing you guys are missing, is that we can actually DEBATE about it, and still keep it civil.

This conversation wouldn't have happened 3 years ago on here.
AKIEM 11:20 PM - 6 November, 2010
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that would be called tribalism, not racism.
DJ TOGTFO 11:25 PM - 6 November, 2010
I think the blacks, whites n mexicans should stop bitchin. The Native Americans have been gettin shafted way worse and way longer than all of y'all. :)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:54 PM - 6 November, 2010
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I think the blacks, whites n mexicans should stop bitchin. The Native Americans have been gettin shafted way worse and way longer than all of y'all. :)


You're just mad that you're part of a superior race...
AKIEM 11:54 PM - 6 November, 2010
think about this for a moment.

How much was slavery worth?

How about 5 days a week of work. Lets say 10 hours a day work. Even though being slave was 24/7/365.

Suppose we take 10 million people enslaved for 200 years. Lets say they worked for about 20 years each. Even if slavery was a life long job, can we use these numbers?

Now how much should you be paid to do the work of a slave? Can we use $5 an hour?

200(years) X 10 million people X 20 years of work = 40,000,000,000 years of work

10 hours a day, 5 days a week @ $5 per hour = $1300 per year.
can we at least pay a slave $1300 a year?

40,000,000,000 X $1300 = $52,000,000,000,000

What is that? 52 trillion dollars worth of labor stolen from one group of people and placed in the hands of another.

After this wealth was stolen another 100 years of official racist discrimination was instituted.

This is the reverse of "old money".

One generation of supposed 'equality' is hardly enough to address this problem.

At least there is some AFFIRMATION that shit is not right.


and too steve os point:
If Obamas election was Affirmative Action good.

But really, what has Obama done that shows he was unqualified?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:03 AM - 7 November, 2010
It's so strange to agree with AKIEM.

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10 hours a day, 5 days a week @ $5 per hour = $1300 per year.
can we at least pay a slave $1300 a year?


10 hours a day @ $5.00 X 50 Hours = 250.00 a Week.

250 X 52 Weeks = 13,000 "Annual Salary"

You were missing 11,700 bucks a year there man.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:21 AM - 7 November, 2010
Which EXPONENTIALLY shows how much MORE labor was stolen...
DJ TOGTFO 12:28 AM - 7 November, 2010
"We didn't land on Plymouth Rock! Plymouth Rock landed on US!!"
d:raf 1:31 AM - 7 November, 2010
There were people in Indonesia mining sulphur for $2 (US) a DAY as recently as 10 years ago. Don't know if that situation's improved yet but I doubt it.

Watchwww.youtube.com
Free Man 1:45 AM - 7 November, 2010
about a million posts ago someone said something about minorities and theople in office that passed bills were white.

nothing has to do with minorities deserving anything. the white politicians did it to make minorities happy and to win votes.

no one desirves better treatment than someone else. no one deserves a job cause of the color of their skin.
AKIEM 1:58 AM - 7 November, 2010
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Except for his math..

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10 hours a day, 5 days a week @ $5 per hour = $1300 per year.
can we at least pay a slave $1300 a year?


10 hours a day @ $5.00 X 50 Hours = 250.00 a Week.

250 X 52 Weeks = 13,000 "Annual Salary"

You were missing 11,700 bucks a year there man.



let me see:
10hrs a day X 6 days a week X 52 weeks = 3120hrs per year
3120 X $5 = $15600 a year

not sure why my math was off

200(years) X 10 million people X 20 years of work = 40,000,000,000 years of work

40,000,000,000 X $1560 = $624,000,000,000,000

However we try to calculated it, hundreds of trillions of dollars were taken from the Black people.

Ive heard idiots try to say welfare should be considered reparations. Even if you add ALL the money spent on welfare to EVERYONE for the past 60 years, its no where near even 1 trillion dolars.

Cost of wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are over 1 trillion dollars.
AKIEM 2:02 AM - 7 November, 2010
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why?
sixxx 2:55 AM - 7 November, 2010
Because skin color is not a skill.
DJ Sniffles 7:57 AM - 7 November, 2010
Move on.... Seriously.
DJ Sniffles 8:09 AM - 7 November, 2010
If you think someone is qualified for a job because of his skin color than you agree a white person should get a job because he's white. You agree that a brown person should get a job because he's brown and you also agree that a yellow person should get a job because he's yellow. Black goes without saying within the current conversation.

Now if you think all the colors except white should get the jobs, then you my friend are racist. If you think none other colors matter and blacks should get a job for their color, then you my friend are racist. You can spin it, accuse it, excuse it, and justify it in any way you want but it doesn't change the fact.

Jews - Fucked over worse than anyone else. I never heard them cry for a tissue. They got up on their own two feet. Now they're the ones fucking anyone who gets in their way.

Phillipines - that country has been raped more than a passed out drugged up hottie at a rave in a corn field. In fact slavery still happens there. Happens all over the place.

History is full of monstrosities but the fact of the matter is......nobody gets a hand out. History shows much worse things than slavery in America and a lot of that shit still goes on to people of all sorts of races all over the world. If anyone feels that strongly about it then stop looking for your "reparations" and start looking to help or bring awareness to the fact so people now don't have to go through something you never did.
DJ Sniffles 8:09 AM - 7 November, 2010
And that's not directed towards anyone.
AKIEM 2:47 PM - 7 November, 2010
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and thats all?

not because "its fucking wrong"?



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If you think someone is qualified for a job because of his skin color than you agree a white person should get a job because he's white. You agree that a brown person should get a job because he's brown and you also agree that a yellow person should get a job because he's yellow. Black goes without saying within the current conversation.

Now if you think all the colors except white should get the jobs, then you my friend are racist. If you think none other colors matter and blacks should get a job for their color, then you my friend are racist. You can spin it, accuse it, excuse it, and justify it in any way you want but it doesn't change the fact.


and racism is wrong, correct?

To spell it out, I am asking why, and whats wrong with racism? Why is racism wrong? Why is it wrong to deny jobs to certain people based on race? What are the results?

What is the impact going to be on Stevie if he gets passed over for all the jobs he wants?

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who is crying for a tissue?

"they got up on their own feet" are you talking about the formation of Israel? Jews in America, or something else?

Its not worth arguing who has had it worse, Blacks or Jews.

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and? I dont see what your point is. There are people on the planet who are treated horrible, murdered, robbed, enslaved - so Black people should just shut up and be happy we are better off then some other people?

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I deal with what I personally come in contact with or know most about first - strategy of effectiveness.

But who is asking for a hand out? I dont even believe in 'reporations' (necessarily). When I calculated some figures about the worth of what labor was stolen, I was not trying to say it must be payed back. I was showing the economic harm that was done. I was making a measure to try and grasp the amount of damage done. The economic impact, the social impact, the psychological impact, is gigantic. And after slavery, a whole generation of official discrimination with Jim Crow laws which ended not even a generation ago. And in the meantime just plain old 'not official' discrimination and racism. Various shit that I have seen or dealt with personally (even though you naysayers will try to doubt)

I absolutely do not know how the problems of the past should be dealt with, only that they should be dealt with because they affect us today (if not linger). And I dont know if AA is the best or right way to deal with past or present racism and its current effects. If someone has a better idea, I for one am listening.

But if I receive some type of unfair treatment, bias, prejudice, or whatever else - most of the time I just chalk it up to 'life aint fucking fair' and keep it moving. Quit worrying about what the next fucking guy gets on his plate and deal with your own. Bootstraps and shit.


But this is about Obama. Lets say Obama was trying become a fireperson(pc). And since he is 'Black' (half African) he received preferential treatment over the old white fireman McCain. McCain didnt make it even though he has much more experience. But is Obama really doing a poor job at fighting fires? Really? His liberal leftist communist pinko (if you want to call them that) policies aside - what exactly has he done that shows he was "inexperienced"??? I dont see very much at all. On the other hand - old white fireman Bush was fucking up ALL the time.

Honestly (policy aside) Bush behaved hella inexperienced all the time, he was an embarrassment. What was his experience good for? How has Obamas inexperience done any damage?

When people talk about Obama's lack of experience, especially after the election - it is just a re-hash of campaign rhetoric. And whats really behind it is this argument that voting for him is nothing but some type of Affirmative Action. That he is going to perform poorly and is only getting elected because he is Black. If Obama was making as many mistakes (not talking policy) as Bush did - then fine.

So aside from policy how exactly was McCains performance going to be any better?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:50 PM - 7 November, 2010
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So, AFFIRMING that enslaving African American's wrong is "crying for a tissue"?
d:raf 4:50 PM - 7 November, 2010
Slavery still exists; it's just been outsourced.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:05 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Yesterday = Bad Situation

Today = Trying to fix effects of Bad Situation - May hurt a few feelings along the way, but we need to make things right

Tomorrow = Everything is Balanced Now - Let's Move On.


yes but to me the question becomes when does it stop, do you really think at somepoint of time in the future their gonna saay ok everythings evened out we can stop with this quota, of course not, the entire thing could be full of minorities and if they tried to take the quota away someone would scream that it was racist and trying to get minorities out of there noones ever gonna freely give up their free pass.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:07 PM - 8 November, 2010
Im going to petition the NBA to have a quota, that test to get into that league is skewed against me as a white man, im not able to jump as high or run as fast as the black dudes and thats just not fair to me as a slow chubby white dude, there should be 2 white dudes drafted out of every 5 drafted....and the dunk should be outlawed as its unfair i cant jump that high...hopefull in time this will fix the injustice of all the white dudes who never got a chance to be on a wheaties box and fix the livlihoods them and their children lost.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:22 PM - 8 November, 2010
Of course it would stop. for example, they don't do BUSING as much as they used to, because a lot of the afflicted areas have evened out.

And oh, while we're petitioning stuff..

Let's pettion the following sports while we're at it.

Hockey
Golf
Bowling
Extreme Poker

Let's get 'em all.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:22 PM - 8 November, 2010
Oh, and Bruce Jenner dominiated the Wheaties box.
Free Man 4:03 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Im going to petition the NBA to have a quota, that test to get into that league is skewed against me as a white man, im not able to jump as high or run as fast as the black dudes and thats just not fair to me as a slow chubby white dude, there should be 2 white dudes drafted out of every 5 drafted....and the dunk should be outlawed as its unfair i cant jump that high...hopefull in time this will fix the injustice of all the white dudes who never got a chance to be on a wheaties box and fix the livlihoods them and their children lost.



perfect example... what would the plack people say?
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:03 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Of course it would stop. for example, they don't do BUSING as much as they used to, because a lot of the afflicted areas have evened out.



dont do it as much....means their still doing it
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:04 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Of course it would stop. for example, they don't do BUSING as much as they used to, because a lot of the afflicted areas have evened out.

And oh, while we're petitioning stuff..

Let's pettion the following sports while we're at it.

Hockey
Golf
Bowling
Extreme Poker

Let's get 'em all.


I dont think you can add golf, the best golfer on the planets black and im pretty sure 9 outta 10 NBA players do it as well
Free Man 4:05 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Of course it would stop. for example, they don't do BUSING as much as they used to, because a lot of the afflicted areas have evened out.

And oh, while we're petitioning stuff..

Let's pettion the following sports while we're at it.

Hockey
Golf
Bowling
Extreme Poker

Let's get 'em all.


i'm cool with that... they really should. i think it would get more fans. good business thinking.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:06 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Of course it would stop. for example, they don't do BUSING as much as they used to, because a lot of the afflicted areas have evened out.

And oh, while we're petitioning stuff..

Let's pettion the following sports while we're at it.

Hockey
Golf
Bowling
Extreme Poker

Let's get 'em all.


i'm cool with that... they really should. i think it would get more fans. good business thinking.


+1
sixxx 4:53 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Because skin color is not a skill.


and thats all?

not because "its fucking wrong"?





did I really need to spell it out? Of course it's fuckin' wrong. lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:08 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Im going to petition the NBA to have a quota, that test to get into that league is skewed against me as a white man, im not able to jump as high or run as fast as the black dudes and thats just not fair to me as a slow chubby white dude, there should be 2 white dudes drafted out of every 5 drafted....and the dunk should be outlawed as its unfair i cant jump that high...hopefull in time this will fix the injustice of all the white dudes who never got a chance to be on a wheaties box and fix the livlihoods them and their children lost.



perfect example... what would the plack people say?


What are "plack people"?

And we'd say,

Ok, open it up for Hockey, Golf, Bowling, Skeetball, Bobsledding and all those other NON-Minority Based Sports...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:09 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Of course it would stop. for example, they don't do BUSING as much as they used to, because a lot of the afflicted areas have evened out.



dont do it as much....means their still doing it


That's because it's NOT FIXED....

duh.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:09 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Im going to petition the NBA to have a quota, that test to get into that league is skewed against me as a white man, im not able to jump as high or run as fast as the black dudes and thats just not fair to me as a slow chubby white dude, there should be 2 white dudes drafted out of every 5 drafted....and the dunk should be outlawed as its unfair i cant jump that high...hopefull in time this will fix the injustice of all the white dudes who never got a chance to be on a wheaties box and fix the livlihoods them and their children lost.



perfect example... what would the plack people say?


What are "plack people"?

And we'd say,

Ok, open it up for Hockey, Golf, Bowling, Skeetball, Bobsledding and all those other NON-Minority Based Sports...


man didnt you ever see cool running
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:10 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Of course it would stop. for example, they don't do BUSING as much as they used to, because a lot of the afflicted areas have evened out.

And oh, while we're petitioning stuff..

Let's pettion the following sports while we're at it.

Hockey
Golf
Bowling
Extreme Poker

Let's get 'em all.


I dont think you can add golf, the best golfer on the planets black and im pretty sure 9 outta 10 NBA players do it as well


You have ONE Black guy, and so what if he's THE BEST? lol..

So there's ONE WHITE GUY I'm sure in the NBA on each team, so what's your point?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:10 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Of course it would stop. for example, they don't do BUSING as much as they used to, because a lot of the afflicted areas have evened out.

And oh, while we're petitioning stuff..

Let's pettion the following sports while we're at it.

Hockey
Golf
Bowling
Extreme Poker

Let's get 'em all.


i'm cool with that... they really should. i think it would get more fans. good business thinking.


No argument there.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:11 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Of course it would stop. for example, they don't do BUSING as much as they used to, because a lot of the afflicted areas have evened out.



dont do it as much....means their still doing it


That's because it's NOT FIXED....

duh.


So when is the proble "FIXED" when there is exactly as many whites as minorities?? When the exact number of minorities have jobs that were denied jobs in the past?? What happens when the system is "FIXED" the quotas are taken away and for whatever reasin it turns 79% (insert race here)
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:11 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Of course it would stop. for example, they don't do BUSING as much as they used to, because a lot of the afflicted areas have evened out.

And oh, while we're petitioning stuff..

Let's pettion the following sports while we're at it.

Hockey
Golf
Bowling
Extreme Poker

Let's get 'em all.


I dont think you can add golf, the best golfer on the planets black and im pretty sure 9 outta 10 NBA players do it as well


You have ONE Black guy, and so what if he's THE BEST? lol..

So there's ONE WHITE GUY I'm sure in the NBA on each team, so what's your point?



theres more than one, hell micheal jordan and charles barkley golf. havent yuo ever seen space jam
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:11 PM - 8 November, 2010
When the NON-Minorities can bring a case, substantiate it, and get the laws changed...

DUH.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:12 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Of course it would stop. for example, they don't do BUSING as much as they used to, because a lot of the afflicted areas have evened out.

And oh, while we're petitioning stuff..

Let's pettion the following sports while we're at it.

Hockey
Golf
Bowling
Extreme Poker

Let's get 'em all.


I dont think you can add golf, the best golfer on the planets black and im pretty sure 9 outta 10 NBA players do it as well


You have ONE Black guy, and so what if he's THE BEST? lol..

So there's ONE WHITE GUY I'm sure in the NBA on each team, so what's your point?



theres more than one, hell micheal jordan and charles barkley golf. havent yuo ever seen space jam


Sorry, the quota hasn't been met.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:13 PM - 8 November, 2010
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When the NON-Minorities can bring a case, substantiate it, and get the laws changed...

DUH.



And when non-minorities try to get these quotas taken away you dont think people will start screamin racisim??
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:16 PM - 8 November, 2010
Nope. If they can SUBSTANTIATE IT, then it's all good.
Nicky Blunt 6:13 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Nope. If they can SUBSTANTIATE IT, then it's all good.


thats bullshit & U know it. I agree with bezzle the minute it gets removed there will be race cards played.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:19 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Nope. If they can SUBSTANTIATE IT, then it's all good.


thats bullshit & U know it. I agree with bezzle the minute it gets removed there will be race cards played.


That is NOT BS, but you may believe what you believe. It seems as though you're convinced MINORITIES just want stuff "For Free" without wanting to put in an honest days work.

NON-MINORITIES can exercise the same rights that MINORITIES did to "Challenge" the laws.

Let's keep it "one hunnered" for a moment...

Who generally MAKES the laws?

NON-Minorities...right?

So blame THEM for not getting rid of "Quotas" when they are truly met.
Nicky Blunt 6:23 PM - 8 November, 2010
Actually im FOR 100% EQUALITY. Not equality at the expense of another race!

If someone is better at the job than another person, its simple common sense that person should get the job.

Not be passed over because we need to be able to tick a box that says we have a gay panda A rattle snake & a tiger working in the office!

That shit is retarded.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:28 PM - 8 November, 2010
So what should be done for an entire race that has been cheated out of those chances for YEARS at making their lives better and living the American dream?

Out of those practices, there are colonies of neighborhoods that have suffered because someone skewed the test.....

This is their "attempt" to "fix it".

What else do you suggest?
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:17 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Nope. If they can SUBSTANTIATE IT, then it's all good.


thats bullshit & U know it. I agree with bezzle the minute it gets removed there will be race cards played.


That is NOT BS, but you may believe what you believe. It seems as though you're convinced MINORITIES just want stuff "For Free" without wanting to put in an honest days work.


No I believe people of any race want things for free without putting in an honest days work, its the american dream
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:26 PM - 8 November, 2010
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So what should be done for an entire race that has been cheated out of those chances for YEARS at making their lives better and living the American dream?

Out of those practices, there are colonies of neighborhoods that have suffered because someone skewed the test.....

This is their "attempt" to "fix it".

What else do you suggest?



2 wrongs dont make a right, if you want to fix it then fix the test so it isnt skewed anymore (even though i dont see how the test as described can be skewed inthe 1st place) and let it run its course. The worlds NOT fair and that goes for any race, all kind of things have been fucked up over time and theres no "making it right" all you can do is fix the flaws and move on. All skewing it the other way is doing is continuing to make one side resent the other and prepetuating racism.
Nicky Blunt 7:28 PM - 8 November, 2010
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So what should be done for an entire race that has been cheated out of those chances for YEARS at making their lives better and living the American dream?

Out of those practices, there are colonies of neighborhoods that have suffered because someone skewed the test.....

This is their "attempt" to "fix it".

What else do you suggest?


just saying the last time i checked the lesser of two evils is still evil.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:02 PM - 8 November, 2010
But see, everybody is saying WHAT they SHOULDN'T do, but can't answer the question of WHAT they SHOULD DO to help those who were estranged, and RIGHT A WRONG.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:04 PM - 8 November, 2010
And BTW, the test isn't "skewed" anymore, but the quota limit is still there.

It is what it is. We've dealt with it for YEARS.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:16 PM - 8 November, 2010
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But see, everybody is saying WHAT they SHOULDN'T do, but can't answer the question of WHAT they SHOULD DO to help those who were estranged, and RIGHT A WRONG.



was answered when i said this

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all kind of things have been fucked up over time and theres no "making it right" all you can do is fix the flaws and move on.


You fix the test to an acceptable standard, and let new applicants have a fair chance at it. Using your logic that its faired bacause people in the past were excluded, does that mean women should have their vote counted twice in elections since they were previously not alloud to vote? No they fixed the flaw allowed them to vote and not they have a fair chance from here on out. You cant "fix" the past in the present you can only fix the present to improve the future
dj_KaSE 8:36 PM - 8 November, 2010
God, don't you people have fuckin' jobs or something?? Wives? Girlfriends? Kids? ANYTHING?
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:43 PM - 8 November, 2010
Of course i have a job....im the cog that keeps this website moving lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:44 PM - 8 November, 2010
I got my job through affirmative action so i dont have to worry about getting let go for posting on the internet all day, someone whose acutually working will get cut long before i do lol
stevie o 8:45 PM - 8 November, 2010
Too many jobs. Should have another 1 but a liberal judge decided 3 out of every 5 fdny candidates must be minority. I happened to be 8th Generation American of Italian/German descent so I don't qualify as a minority.
History will tell that this time in History is a fucking joke.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:23 PM - 8 November, 2010
Sometimes just FIXING the problem isn't enough. Sometimes you have to REPAIR the DAMAGE that was done.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:24 PM - 8 November, 2010
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History will tell that this time in History is a fucking joke.


Or to some, it will be a period in History that American realized it made a drastic mistake in the past, and these are the measures that they are taking to FIX it.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:27 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Sometimes just FIXING the problem isn't enough. Sometimes you have to REPAIR the DAMAGE that was done.



What their doing isnt REPAIRING anything, the people who were denied before STILL WONT BE all your doing is increasing the amount of people hurt by the system
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:31 PM - 8 November, 2010
Oh well, maybe in your next lives, you've be lucky enough to be Minorities.

Good Luck!
stevie o 9:41 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Sometimes just FIXING the problem isn't enough. Sometimes you have to REPAIR the DAMAGE that was done.


Kill whitey
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:45 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Dj-M.Bezzle 9:45 PM - 8 November, 2010
in a totally unrelated topic

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In "Decision Points," set to hit shelves Tuesday, the former president takes dead aim at McCain's 2008 presidential campaign, which he implies was run very badly.

Among other things, Bush questions why McCain, his rival for the 2000 GOP nomination, didn't better capitalize politically on the '08 financial crisis. As Politico's James Hohmann reports, Bush writes that he was puzzled by McCain's handling of the crisis, which included suspending his campaign and calling for a White House meeting on a proposed rescue package.

[Related: President Bush calls Kanye West's 'black people' comments 'disgusting']

"I thought the financial crisis gave John his best change to mount a comeback," Bush writes. "In periods of crisis, voters value experience and judgment over youth and charisma. By handling the challenge in a statesmanlike way, John could make a case he was the better candidate for the times."

Bush says he asked McCain to hold off on a meeting, citing concerns that it might jeopardize talks between congressional negotiators and then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. But Bush says McCain ignored his appeals--and thereby handed Obama an opportunity to describe him as "erratic."

At the subsequent meeting, Obama's "calm demeanor" and willingness to work through gridlock impressed Bush and his aides, according to the book. But when it came time for McCain to talk, Bush says, the Arizona senator had nothing to say. "I was puzzled," Bush says in the book. "He had called for this meeting. I assumed he would come prepared to outline a way to get the bill passed."

Bush also questions why McCain didn't ask him to campaign for him. Even though Bush's poll ratings were low, Bush thinks he could have helped with the GOP base. "I was confident I could have helped him make his case," Bush writes. "But the decision was his. I was disappointed I couldn't do more to help him."

Another McCain decision that irks Bush: his choice of Sarah Palin as his '08 running mate. This doesn't make it into the Bush book, but the New York Daily News' Tom DeFrank writes that the former president, like his former strategist Karl Rove, has told friends that he doesn't think Palin is qualified to be president and blames McCain for giving her a national platform. "Naming Palin makes Bush think less of McCain as a man," a Republican official familiar with Bush's thinking told DeFrank.


DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:07 PM - 8 November, 2010
So now, you disagree with them even AFFIRMING that something was totally unjust, and how they are fixing it.

Like I said, talk to your fellow NON-MINORITIES that passed the quota system.

I can't do nuffin' for you man.
stevie o 10:22 PM - 8 November, 2010
My favorite rap group is Public Enemy. I think that should catapult me to the top of the class
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:35 PM - 8 November, 2010
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So now, you disagree with them even AFFIRMING that something was totally unjust, and how they are fixing it.

Like I said, talk to your fellow NON-MINORITIES that passed the quota system.

I can't do nuffin' for you man.


dont act like im part of the problem im part of the solution i have a black friend and everything (NM)

I even have a pic static.tvtropes.org
Free Man 10:40 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Too many jobs. Should have another 1 but a liberal judge decided 3 out of every 5 fdny candidates must be minority. I happened to be 8th Generation American of Italian/German descent so I don't qualify as a minority.
History will tell that this time in History is a fucking joke.



Have your wife apply for the fire department... you may not get it because you're not black, at least she can play the sexist card...
Free Man 10:41 PM - 8 November, 2010
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So now, you disagree with them even AFFIRMING that something was totally unjust, and how they are fixing it.

Like I said, talk to your fellow NON-MINORITIES that passed the quota system.

I can't do nuffin' for you man.


If non-minorities say anything they they get shit because Jesse Jackson will make the world think they are all racist. look at how much money he has made from making a fuss and having black people throw dollars at him
stevie o 11:44 PM - 8 November, 2010
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Too many jobs. Should have another 1 but a liberal judge decided 3 out of every 5 fdny candidates must be minority. I happened to be 8th Generation American of Italian/German descent so I don't qualify as a minority.
History will tell that this time in History is a fucking joke.



Have your wife apply for the fire department... you may not get it because you're not black, at least she can play the sexist card...


My wife is puerto Rican, She wouldn't be able to save anyone from a fire, but hey who needs that qualificationm to become a firefighter? SHes Puerto Rican, she's qualified.
sixxx 11:46 PM - 8 November, 2010
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God, don't you people have fuckin' jobs or something?? Wives? Girlfriends? Kids? ANYTHING?


I think you have to pray to ask "him or her" those questions.
Free Man 12:02 AM - 9 November, 2010
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Too many jobs. Should have another 1 but a liberal judge decided 3 out of every 5 fdny candidates must be minority. I happened to be 8th Generation American of Italian/German descent so I don't qualify as a minority.
History will tell that this time in History is a fucking joke.


Can she pass the test?

Seriously, that is why I think qualifications/skills are more important than color of skin (race)

according to ALL of the above, she is a minority, so if she wants to be a firefighter than we are not being fare by denying her a job... you should get her to apply for fun... tell her to act serious and just see what happens... lol


Have your wife apply for the fire department... you may not get it because you're not black, at least she can play the sexist card...


My wife is puerto Rican, She wouldn't be able to save anyone from a fire, but hey who needs that qualificationm to become a firefighter? SHes Puerto Rican, she's qualified.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:13 AM - 9 November, 2010
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Too many jobs. Should have another 1 but a liberal judge decided 3 out of every 5 fdny candidates must be minority. I happened to be 8th Generation American of Italian/German descent so I don't qualify as a minority.
History will tell that this time in History is a fucking joke.



Have your wife apply for the fire department... you may not get it because you're not black, at least she can play the sexist card...


There's a thought.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:15 AM - 9 November, 2010
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So now, you disagree with them even AFFIRMING that something was totally unjust, and how they are fixing it.

Like I said, talk to your fellow NON-MINORITIES that passed the quota system.

I can't do nuffin' for you man.


If non-minorities say anything they they get shit because Jesse Jackson will make the world think they are all racist. look at how much money he has made from making a fuss and having black people throw dollars at him


Wow, a few dollars, vs. that calculation that AKIEM put up there....

Yep, it's a travesty.

Like I said, it is what it is...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:16 AM - 9 November, 2010
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If non-minorities say anything they they get shit because Jesse Jackson will make the world think they are all racist.


So, you're saying Black people aren't smart enough to make their OWN decisions?
sixxx 12:20 AM - 9 November, 2010
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If non-minorities say anything they they get shit because Jesse Jackson will make the world think they are all racist.


So, you're saying Black people aren't smart enough to make their OWN decisions?


I think most people in general aren't smart enough to make their own decisions. lol
AKIEM 8:55 AM - 9 November, 2010
Life is not fucking fair, all types of shit is not fucking fair.

Why dont I get a trust fund from birth? How come I didnt inherit a company? Why do I have to grow up in shit neighborhood? How come my parants arnt famous and I can net 10k for wack ass djing? Why do I have to go to a shitty school? Why dont I have a giant piece of land handed to me?

Nothing is fair.

Is it fair that your tax money goes to wars that you dont agree with? Or you owe bail out money for mistakes and schemes you had nothing to do with? Or the police charge you with a murder you had nothing to do with?

Nothing is fair.

quit crying about shit and keep it moving

Stevie, no its not fair to you personally to be working from a disadvantage while other people have an advantage in this situation. But the policy is not directed at YOU personally. It tries to address hundreds of years of wrong doing to a group of people.

Again the Black Community had trillions of dollars of wealth extracted from it. There was a hundred years of official racist oppression. And plenty of privated oppression and theft. And all the murders, lynchings, rapes, etc.

It was not until 1965 when the last Official RACIST Laws were overturned. Its not ancient history, there are obviously people alive today oppressed by those laws. Add to that all the illegal systems of racism since then.

Shit that was wrong in the past needs to be addressed if it effects our situation today. Which it does.

IF our society today in trying to deal with this situation has a negative effect on YOU personally - THEN THATS LIFE. quit crying about it.

If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the people who instituted racism to begin with.

Stevie, you say that you are 8th generation German and Italian? So its true, probably none of your family had ever owned slaves which is true about most white people. And there were plenty of times when Italians where treated like shit, and some times when Germans were treated like shit, and Im am sure all kinds of situations where your family was officially shitted on. And probably you dont have any of the old money luxury handed to you. But there is one thing for sure - and that is that for a good couple hundred years there your family automatically received all kinds of preferential treatment over Black people. There is no doubt that someone in your family got a job where a Black person would never even be allowed to work.

Maybe that little bit of 'white privilege' trickled down to you, but maybe it didnt. Which does not even mater since it is NOT PERSONAL against you. It is a situation this society is trying to deal with not an attack on you.

And again, I dont like AA. But I have no other ideas about how to deal with it (well actually I do). AA is some bullshit for the individual people on the short end, but it is better then nothing. keep it moving.


but again - bringing it back to Obama - if it actually was voters like myself who caused Obama to be elected (even though its not why he was elected) voted for him because he is Black, and you want to call that "Affirmative Action" fine. If you want to call my vote an Affirmative Action vote, I am okay with that. BECAUSE there was not enough difference between the Dems and Reps to mean anything. The only difference in my eyes worth voting for is a cultural difference - getting a Black president.

If Obama is so unqualified, what has he done to show it?

If he was a fireman he would be doing an ever age job. Also, he has not "tripled the debt". The debt is out of control, and maybe he would tripple it after 8 years. But it is pretty much a continuation of what Bush was doing. And Bush DID DOUBLE the debt from 5 to 10 trillion.


12,000 firefighters in FDNY, and only 300 are Black.
wow
If there is not some type of racial shit happening, then what is it? Other cities dont have such a difference, if its not the test (which I also doubt) then what is it?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:19 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Life is not fucking fair, all types of shit is not fucking fair.

Why dont I get a trust fund from birth? How come I didnt inherit a company? Why do I have to grow up in shit neighborhood? How come my parants arnt famous and I can net 10k for wack ass djing? Why do I have to go to a shitty school? Why dont I have a giant piece of land handed to me?

Nothing is fair.

Is it fair that your tax money goes to wars that you dont agree with? Or you owe bail out money for mistakes and schemes you had nothing to do with? Or the police charge you with a murder you had nothing to do with?

Nothing is fair.

quit crying about shit and keep it moving

Stevie, no its not fair to you personally to be working from a disadvantage while other people have an advantage in this situation. But the policy is not directed at YOU personally. It tries to address hundreds of years of wrong doing to a group of people.

Again the Black Community had trillions of dollars of wealth extracted from it. There was a hundred years of official racist oppression. And plenty of privated oppression and theft. And all the murders, lynchings, rapes, etc.

It was not until 1965 when the last Official RACIST Laws were overturned. Its not ancient history, there are obviously people alive today oppressed by those laws. Add to that all the illegal systems of racism since then.

Shit that was wrong in the past needs to be addressed if it effects our situation today. Which it does.

IF our society today in trying to deal with this situation has a negative effect on YOU personally - THEN THATS LIFE. quit crying about it.

If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the people who instituted racism to begin with.

Stevie, you say that you are 8th generation German and Italian? So its true, probably none of your family had ever owned slaves which is true about most white people. And there were plenty of times when Italians where treated like shit, and some times when Germans were treated like shit, and Im am sure all kinds of situations where your family was officially shitted on. And probably you dont have any of the old money luxury handed to you. But there is one thing for sure - and that is that for a good couple hundred years there your family automatically received all kinds of preferential treatment over Black people. There is no doubt that someone in your family got a job where a Black person would never even be allowed to work.

Maybe that little bit of 'white privilege' trickled down to you, but maybe it didnt. Which does not even mater since it is NOT PERSONAL against you. It is a situation this society is trying to deal with not an attack on you.

And again, I dont like AA. But I have no other ideas about how to deal with it (well actually I do). AA is some bullshit for the individual people on the short end, but it is better then nothing. keep it moving.


but again - bringing it back to Obama - if it actually was voters like myself who caused Obama to be elected (even though its not why he was elected) voted for him because he is Black, and you want to call that "Affirmative Action" fine. If you want to call my vote an Affirmative Action vote, I am okay with that. BECAUSE there was not enough difference between the Dems and Reps to mean anything. The only difference in my eyes worth voting for is a cultural difference - getting a Black president.

If Obama is so unqualified, what has he done to show it?

If he was a fireman he would be doing an ever age job. Also, he has not "tripled the debt". The debt is out of control, and maybe he would tripple it after 8 years. But it is pretty much a continuation of what Bush was doing. And Bush DID DOUBLE the debt from 5 to 10 trillion.


12,000 firefighters in FDNY, and only 300 are Black.
wow
If there is not some type of racial shit happening, then what is it? Other cities dont have such a difference, if its not the test (which I also doubt) then what is it?


www.djjohnnym.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:27 PM - 9 November, 2010
Let me bring it into a a closer perspective.

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It was not until 1965 when the last Official RACIST Laws were overturned.


I was born in 1967. That means that my PARENTS EXPERIENCED RACISM OFFICIALLY for the bulk of their lives up until 1965.

That was ONLY 45 years ago.
sixxx 2:42 PM - 9 November, 2010
It's 2010 and I still experience racism.


It ain't ever gonna end.
stevie o 2:43 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Let me bring it into a a closer perspective.

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It was not until 1965 when the last Official RACIST Laws were overturned.


I was born in 1967. That means that my PARENTS EXPERIENCED RACISM OFFICIALLY for the bulk of their lives up until 1965.

That was ONLY 45 years ago.


I was born in 78. I have nothing to do with what happpend befor that. You are arguing a point which is ridiculous.
stevie o 2:46 PM - 9 November, 2010
"12,000 firefighters in FDNY, and only 300 are Black.
wow
If there is not some type of racial shit happening, then what is it? Other cities dont have such a difference, if its not the test (which I also doubt) then what is it?"

Well akiem I am gonna give you the clear cut answer and let's see how you can possible come up with a ridiculous response that makes any sense. DId it ever occur to you that not as many blacks take the fdny test as whites do? Here is a FACT.

Blacks made up only 7.8 percent of all FDNY test takers in 2002.

Is it at all possible that that is why there is only 300 Black firefighters?
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:30 PM - 9 November, 2010
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12,000 firefighters in FDNY, and only 300 are Black.
wow
If there is not some type of racial shit happening, then what is it?


I dotn see it as racist at all i see it as the black people in new york are smart enough not sign up for a job requiring them to run into a burning building at a major terrorist target city
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:43 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Let me bring it into a a closer perspective.


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It was not until 1965 when the last Official RACIST Laws were overturned.


I was born in 1967. That means that my PARENTS EXPERIENCED RACISM OFFICIALLY for the bulk of their lives up until 1965.

That was ONLY 45 years ago.


I was born in 78. I have nothing to do with what happpend befor that. You are arguing a point which is ridiculous.


Ok, so when I experience RACISM at my WORKPLACE TODAY, I'm arguing a point which is ridiculous?

Whatever man.

Like AKIEM said, Work Harder.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:44 PM - 9 November, 2010
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"12,000 firefighters in FDNY, and only 300 are Black.
wow
If there is not some type of racial shit happening, then what is it? Other cities dont have such a difference, if its not the test (which I also doubt) then what is it?"

Well akiem I am gonna give you the clear cut answer and let's see how you can possible come up with a ridiculous response that makes any sense. DId it ever occur to you that not as many blacks take the fdny test as whites do? Here is a FACT.

Blacks made up only 7.8 percent of all FDNY test takers in 2002.

Is it at all possible that that is why there is only 300 Black firefighters?


So they got screened out BEFORE they took the test huh?
AKIEM 3:45 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Let me bring it into a a closer perspective.

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It was not until 1965 when the last Official RACIST Laws were overturned.


I was born in 1967. That means that my PARENTS EXPERIENCED RACISM OFFICIALLY for the bulk of their lives up until 1965.

That was ONLY 45 years ago.


I was born in 78. I have nothing to do with what happpend befor that. You are arguing a point which is ridiculous.


The world did not come into being the day you were born. Whats being dealt with is problems from before you were born. As I said - it is not PERSONAL against you. And it is not personal against your family.

And WE ALL have to deal with shit that took place before we were born.
too fucking bad

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Blacks made up only 7.8 percent of all FDNY test takers in 2002.

Is it at all possible that that is why there is only 300 Black firefighters?


I dont know, how about 2009? How about 1980? Yes its possible.

But like I said, I do not agree that Affirmative Action is a good idea. I do not like the idea of a 'quota system'. You do not have to prove that it can be bad policy, because I agree. But I do believe that SOMETHING should be done.

If there was a real solution that was fair to everyone including you, I would be for it.

AGAIN - because this is why we are talking about it - was it "unfair" for McCain to have to run against a Black guy?

Obama did not win because he is Black. I personally voted for him because he is Black, and most people, especially his supporters think I am a dumb ass for it. But the reason is that I did not see a big enough difference between the two candidates, and certainly not their respective parties to warrant a vote for any other reason. A secondary reason might have been how ridiculous of a decision it was for McCain to tap Palin. Obviously if that is an example of how he would be making appointments he has no biz making executive decisions. I would still probably not vote against Palin. And I will not vote for Barack again - and not because I am disappointed. I did not expect him to do anything that I agreed with. Same with McCain.

so yeah, we can keep talking about how making choice by race is not a good idea, but in this case it was a fine choice.

Unless you can show where he has been shown to be less qualified in how he has performed then what it looked like Bush was doing - what else is there?

Show me where Obamas "lack of qualification" is failing us so horribly compared to other presidents.
stevie o 3:48 PM - 9 November, 2010
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12,000 firefighters in FDNY, and only 300 are Black.
wow
If there is not some type of racial shit happening, then what is it?


I dotn see it as racist at all i see it as the black people in new york are smart enough not sign up for a job requiring them to run into a burning building at a major terrorist target city


I agree with that. I never said it was an intelligent job. Its downright dumb to want to fight fires
stevie o 3:49 PM - 9 November, 2010
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"12,000 firefighters in FDNY, and only 300 are Black.
wow
If there is not some type of racial shit happening, then what is it? Other cities dont have such a difference, if its not the test (which I also doubt) then what is it?"

Well akiem I am gonna give you the clear cut answer and let's see how you can possible come up with a ridiculous response that makes any sense. DId it ever occur to you that not as many blacks take the fdny test as whites do? Here is a FACT.


Incorrect
Blacks made up only 7.8 percent of all FDNY test takers in 2002.

Is it at all possible that that is why there is only 300 Black firefighters?


So they got screened out BEFORE they took the test huh?
stevie o 3:49 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Let me bring it into a a closer perspective.


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It was not until 1965 when the last Official RACIST Laws were overturned.


I was born in 1967. That means that my PARENTS EXPERIENCED RACISM OFFICIALLY for the bulk of their lives up until 1965.

That was ONLY 45 years ago.


I was born in 78. I have nothing to do with what happpend befor that. You are arguing a point which is ridiculous.


Ok, so when I experience RACISM at my WORKPLACE TODAY, I'm arguing a point which is ridiculous?

Whatever man.

Like AKIEM said, Work Harder.


If you had 1/10th the work ethic I
stevie o 3:52 PM - 9 November, 2010
If you had 1/10th the work ethic I have you would be ok. I come from a poor family and was never given a penny. I worked 3 jobs since I was 15. Your way off with that work harder shit. Dont turn this into a big dick contest or a compare bank account contest.,
AKIEM 3:56 PM - 9 November, 2010
stevie o, do you really think what you are saying somehow has anything to do with Obama being a poor choice over McCain?
d:raf 4:01 PM - 9 November, 2010
A lot of people I know (including myself) at least partially voted for Obama because of this:

Watchwww.youtube.com
stevie o 4:12 PM - 9 November, 2010
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stevie o, do you really think what you are saying somehow has anything to do with Obama being a poor choice over McCain?


Nothing to do with it. I am caught up in the work harder comment. We got sidetracked about my situation, and I want to know how given the circumstance I presented,responding with "work harder", is relevant.
AKIEM 4:24 PM - 9 November, 2010
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stevie o, do you really think what you are saying somehow has anything to do with Obama being a poor choice over McCain?


Nothing to do with it. I am caught up in the work harder comment. We got sidetracked about my situation, and I want to know how given the circumstance I presented,responding with "work harder", is relevant.


hmmm, ok. Im not going to hold you to it - but why are we talking about it int he first place?

work harder in LIFE


or better yet - how about we come up with some real solutions to racism and past wrongs, even as an exercise (I guess you would have to acknowledge a problem first)
stevie o 4:33 PM - 9 November, 2010
The problem is you feel you are entitled to a living. Thats the problem I have with liberal politics. You want the government to hand you money, a job, health coverage, social security etc. Every race of people have been discriminated against since the beginning of time. No one is innocent. Reperations, hand outs and affirmitve action is a bullshit way of so called correcting it. There is no correction. It was done. Its in the past, move on. No one owes you shit. I have never asked for anything in my life. No one is entitled to anything.
Be a part of the solution, not the problem
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:41 PM - 9 November, 2010
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or better yet - how about we come up with some real solutions to racism and past wrongs, even as an exercise (I guess you would have to acknowledge a problem first)



You cant and shouldnt have to fix past wrongs. If im in highschool and some dude steals my girl his future wife dosent own me a blowjob, things that happen in the past are just that, their learning experiences you learn and grow from and dont repeat the mistakes. The key to learning from the past is NOT REPEATING the problem, not replicating it to someone else
stevie o 4:48 PM - 9 November, 2010
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or better yet - how about we come up with some real solutions to racism and past wrongs, even as an exercise (I guess you would have to acknowledge a problem first)



You cant and shouldnt have to fix past wrongs. If im in highschool and some dude steals my girl his future wife dosent own me a blowjob, things that happen in the past are just that, their learning experiences you learn and grow from and dont repeat the mistakes. The key to learning from the past is NOT REPEATING the problem, not replicating it to someone else


Finally someone is making sense
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:51 PM - 9 November, 2010
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But the policy is not directed at YOU personally. It tries to address hundreds of years of wrong doing to a group of people.

Again the Black Community had trillions of dollars of wealth extracted from it. There was a hundred years of official racist oppression. And plenty of privated oppression and theft. And all the murders, lynchings, rapes, etc.

It was not until 1965 when the last Official RACIST Laws were overturned. Its not ancient history, there are obviously people alive today oppressed by those laws. Add to that all the illegal systems of racism since then.

Shit that was wrong in the past needs to be addressed if it effects our situation today. Which it does.

IF our society today in trying to deal with this situation has a negative effect on YOU personally - THEN THATS LIFE. quit crying about it.

If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the people who instituted racism to begin with.



But why does the plight of the black community matter more than other races and cultures. The chinese have been enslaved in america, the scottish, irish, back in the day greeks and romans, Their trying to kick mexicans out of the country at this very moment. heck the jews were enslaved before being enslaved was en vouge. As a matter of fact while the black community was fighting for the right to vote there was a governemnt acticvley trying to exterminate the entire jewish people. So if i with my jewish background, with recent ancestors in death camps am applying for a job as a NYFD and a black guy fresh from africa whos family never once saw oppression also applys for the job and i score higher and am more qualified and he still gets the job becasue of a quota, that dosent rectify ANY wrongs its perpetuating what your supposed to be stopping.

If you want to perpetuate beign "fare" you cant pick and choose who to be fair too, it should be all or none. You fix things for the future you dont transfer the hinderance from one person to the other because if you do that then logically you then OWE that group later
sixxx 4:55 PM - 9 November, 2010
Firefighters screened out before they took the test? LMAO!
stevie o 4:55 PM - 9 November, 2010
^ 100% correct. The thread should end there
AKIEM 4:57 PM - 9 November, 2010
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The problem is you feel you are entitled to a living. Thats the problem I have with liberal politics. You want the government to hand you money, a job, health coverage, social security etc. Every race of people have been discriminated against since the beginning of time. No one is innocent. Reperations, hand outs and affirmitve action is a bullshit way of so called correcting it. There is no correction. It was done. Its in the past, move on. No one owes you shit. I have never asked for anything in my life. No one is entitled to anything.
Be a part of the solution, not the problem


no I do not feel I am entitled to a living, to a job, to health coverage, or social security. I dont want the government to hand me money - and I have NEVER taken any money from the government. Not welfare, not disability, not healthcare, not a job, not a tax subsidy. Never a bail out, a scholarship, a grant, a loan, not shit. (student loan yes) there is shit I could probably go out and get from the government right now that I dont.

In the interest of disclosure, there was a short amount of time (months) where my mom was out of work back in the 80s and we got some food shelf food. But my moms worked hard as hell before and after that in factory jobs, and paid plenty of taxes.

"Reperations" so you dont believe that the state of Israel should exist. That Germany should not have had to pay back what was stollen from Jews?

Berny Madoff shouldnt have to pay back any money. "Ah, you got, thanks for the cash see you later"?

How about we dont even punish people, just ask them to stop committing crimes?
sixxx 4:59 PM - 9 November, 2010
I agree with AKIEM and JohnnyM. Work harder













to change the color of your skin. If Michael Jackson and Sammy can do it. So can you. lol
AKIEM 5:01 PM - 9 November, 2010
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or better yet - how about we come up with some real solutions to racism and past wrongs, even as an exercise (I guess you would have to acknowledge a problem first)



You cant and shouldnt have to fix past wrongs. If im in highschool and some dude steals my girl his future wife dosent own me a blowjob, things that happen in the past are just that, their learning experiences you learn and grow from and dont repeat the mistakes. The key to learning from the past is NOT REPEATING the problem, not replicating it to someone else



How about I beat your ass and take your lunch money for four years, EVERY fucking day.

Do I owe you?

I guess not. (Dont ever fucking DJ with me, because I will take your shit if its like that)
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:02 PM - 9 November, 2010
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no I do not feel I am entitled to a living, to a job, to health coverage, or social security. I dont want the government to hand me money - and I have NEVER taken any money from the government. Not welfare, not disability, not healthcare, not a job, not a tax subsidy. Never a bail out, a scholarship, a grant, a loan, not shit. (student loan yes) there is shit I could probably go out and get from the government right now that I dont


Thats kinda foolish becaue you PAY for those services with your tax money. I consider it foolish to pay into something like social security then say you dont feel entitled to some o that money when its YOUR money to begin with
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:04 PM - 9 November, 2010
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"Reperations" so you dont believe that the state of Israel should exist. That Germany should not have had to pay back what was stollen from Jews?


Can the germans figure out how to give the jew they killed their lives back..NO...can they give their loved oned back their families, NO

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How about we dont even punish people, just ask them to stop committing crimes?


sure THE PEOPLE WHO COMMITED THE CRIEMS SHOULD BE PUNISHED, Not other peopel WHO LOOK LIKE THE PERSON WHO COMMITED THE CRIME. If a busniess owner denies soemone a job because of color PUNISH THE BUSNIESS OWNER, NOT THE NEXT APPLICANT WHO WALKS IN THE DOOR
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:05 PM - 9 November, 2010
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How about I beat your ass and take your lunch money for four years, EVERY fucking day.

Do I owe you?


NO YOU DONT!!!!!!!!!!!


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(Dont ever fucking DJ with me, because I will take your shit if its like that)


IF you moved to mobile and you took my job as a DJ do you owe it to me to find me another job to replace the income you took ...NO YOU DONT!!!
sixxx 5:06 PM - 9 November, 2010
Bezzle for President.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:07 PM - 9 November, 2010
LMFAO!!!!
AKIEM 5:24 PM - 9 November, 2010
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But the policy is not directed at YOU personally. It tries to address hundreds of years of wrong doing to a group of people.

Again the Black Community had trillions of dollars of wealth extracted from it. There was a hundred years of official racist oppression. And plenty of privated oppression and theft. And all the murders, lynchings, rapes, etc.

It was not until 1965 when the last Official RACIST Laws were overturned. Its not ancient history, there are obviously people alive today oppressed by those laws. Add to that all the illegal systems of racism since then.

Shit that was wrong in the past needs to be addressed if it effects our situation today. Which it does.

IF our society today in trying to deal with this situation has a negative effect on YOU personally - THEN THATS LIFE. quit crying about it.

If you want to be mad at someone be mad at the people who instituted racism to begin with.


But why does the plight of the black community matter more than other races and cultures.


because the plight of the Black community VASTLY outwieghs the plight of other communities.

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The chinese have been enslaved in america, the scottish, irish,


to what degree?
How long and how many Chinese were enslaved? What kind of slavery where the scottish and Irish dealing with, for how long?

The kind of slavery and then Jim Crow laws, 400+ years just does not compare to other situations. The EFFECTS do not have as much impact TODAY.

Because other groups were COMPENSATED.


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back in the day greeks and romans, Their trying to kick mexicans out of the country at this very moment. heck the jews were enslaved before being enslaved was en vouge. As a matter of fact while the black community was fighting for the right to vote there was a governemnt acticvley trying to exterminate the entire jewish people. So if i with my jewish background, with recent ancestors in death camps am applying for a job as a NYFD and a black guy fresh from africa whos family never once saw oppression also applys for the job and i score higher and am more qualified and he still gets the job becasue of a quota, that dosent rectify ANY wrongs its perpetuating what your supposed to be stopping.


AGAIN - I do not think AA and reporations, are good solutions
I do not know how many times I have to say that. I think they are "better then nothing" in the fact and THE ONLY FACT that they attempt to solve a problem THAT EFFECTS US TODAY.

And Jews received reparations in the form of millions of dollars, and given the state of Israel - which also receives huge amounts of aid to ensure its existence.


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If you want to perpetuate beign "fare" you cant pick and choose who to be fair too, it should be all or none. You fix things for the future you dont transfer the hinderance from one person to the other because if you do that then logically you then OWE that group later



AND AGAIN I AM IN NO WAY SAYING REPARATIONS AND AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS A GOOD SOLUTION TO THE PROBLEMS WE HAVE TODAY.

doubt that is the last time I will have to say it





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no I do not feel I am entitled to a living, to a job, to health coverage, or social security. I dont want the government to hand me money - and I have NEVER taken any money from the government. Not welfare, not disability, not healthcare, not a job, not a tax subsidy. Never a bail out, a scholarship, a grant, a loan, not shit. (student loan yes) there is shit I could probably go out and get from the government right now that I dont


Thats kinda foolish becaue you PAY for those services with your tax money. I consider it foolish to pay into something like social security then say you dont feel entitled to some o that money when its YOUR money to begin with



The reason that I dont feel entitled to it, is that if it ends up running out by the time I would want to get that check - then where is it going to come from? The money that I pay into SS is taken not really of my free will, but If I REALLY did not want to pay it, I could figure out how not to.
AKIEM 5:28 PM - 9 November, 2010
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How about I beat your ass and take your lunch money for four years, EVERY fucking day.

Do I owe you?


NO YOU DONT!!!!!!!!!!!




GTFOH




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(Dont ever fucking DJ with me, because I will take your shit if its like that)


IF you moved to mobile and you took my job as a DJ do you owe it to me to find me another job to replace the income you took ...NO YOU DONT!!!


Im not talking about taking your job, I am talking about taking your equipment. I will probably fallow you home and get the rest of your shit too. ESPECIALLY if the next day shit will be all good homie :)
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:34 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Im not talking about taking your job, I am talking about taking your equipment. I will probably fallow you home and get the rest of your shit too. ESPECIALLY if the next day shit will be all good homie :)


Ok lets say you follow me home and steal all my shit, i get yuo on camera doing it but the police cant find the equipment. Your convicted of the crime. DO YOU OWN ME NEW EQUIPMENT??
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:35 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Im not talking about taking your job, I am talking about taking your equipment. I will probably fallow you home and get the rest of your shit too. ESPECIALLY if the next day shit will be all good homie :)


Ok lets say you follow me home and steal all my shit, i get yuo on camera doing it but the police cant find the equipment. Your convicted of the crime. DO YOU OWN ME NEW EQUIPMENT??


And even better question, DOP YOUR KIDS OWE MY KIDS EQUIPMENT?? Do they send your kids to jail??
stevie o 5:35 PM - 9 November, 2010
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or better yet - how about we come up with some real solutions to racism and past wrongs, even as an exercise (I guess you would have to acknowledge a problem first)





You cant and shouldnt have to fix past wrongs. If im in highschool and some dude steals my girl his future wife dosent own me a blowjob, things that happen in the past are just that, their learning experiences you learn and grow from and dont repeat the mistakes. The key to learning from the past is NOT REPEATING the problem, not replicating it to someone else



How about I beat your ass and take your lunch money for four years, EVERY fucking day.

Do I owe you?

I guess not. (Dont ever fucking DJ with me, because I will take your shit if its like that)


I wish a motherfucker would steal my shit
AKIEM 5:38 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Im not talking about taking your job, I am talking about taking your equipment. I will probably fallow you home and get the rest of your shit too. ESPECIALLY if the next day shit will be all good homie :)


Ok lets say you follow me home and steal all my shit, i get yuo on camera doing it but the police cant find the equipment. Your convicted of the crime. DO YOU OWN ME NEW EQUIPMENT??


And even better question, DOP YOUR KIDS OWE MY KIDS EQUIPMENT?? Do they send your kids to jail??


IF YOUR EQUIPMENT IS SITTING IN MY HOUSE, and my son is getting 10k a night off it. Then you at least deserve your fucking equipment back. And it doesnt even mater if my son will loose his 10k gigs.
AKIEM 5:41 PM - 9 November, 2010
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or better yet - how about we come up with some real solutions to racism and past wrongs, even as an exercise (I guess you would have to acknowledge a problem first)





You cant and shouldnt have to fix past wrongs. If im in highschool and some dude steals my girl his future wife dosent own me a blowjob, things that happen in the past are just that, their learning experiences you learn and grow from and dont repeat the mistakes. The key to learning from the past is NOT REPEATING the problem, not replicating it to someone else



How about I beat your ass and take your lunch money for four years, EVERY fucking day.

Do I owe you?

I guess not. (Dont ever fucking DJ with me, because I will take your shit if its like that)


I wish a motherfucker would steal my shit


And I will shoot a mf that comes in my house. Yes I am a gun owner, and believe in the right to keep and bare. because I am not a fucking liberal like you think

I even kept my weapons when I moved from ATL to NYC.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:42 PM - 9 November, 2010
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IF YOUR EQUIPMENT IS SITTING IN MY HOUSE, and my son is getting 10k a night off it. Then you at least deserve your fucking equipment back. And it doesnt even mater if my son will loose his 10k gigs.


So let me get this straight, if you stole my shit and your son made money off it you would expect him to pay me a piece of that??
stevie o 5:44 PM - 9 November, 2010
Congrats on your guns. If somoene steps foot in you house aim for there skull.

And yes you are a liberal. You proved that. No big deal. You believe people are entitled. I dont. We agree to disagree
AKIEM 5:44 PM - 9 November, 2010
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^ 100% correct. The thread should end there


ah, so we are never going to get to Obama then?
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:45 PM - 9 November, 2010
who?
AKIEM 5:46 PM - 9 November, 2010
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IF YOUR EQUIPMENT IS SITTING IN MY HOUSE, and my son is getting 10k a night off it. Then you at least deserve your fucking equipment back. And it doesnt even mater if my son will loose his 10k gigs.


So let me get this straight, if you stole my shit and your son made money off it you would expect him to pay me a piece of that??


um no - but you should get you equipment back.
cmon man
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:48 PM - 9 November, 2010
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IF YOUR EQUIPMENT IS SITTING IN MY HOUSE, and my son is getting 10k a night off it. Then you at least deserve your fucking equipment back. And it doesnt even mater if my son will loose his 10k gigs.


So let me get this straight, if you stole my shit and your son made money off it you would expect him to pay me a piece of that??


um no - but you should get you equipment back.
cmon man


you would be the worse theirf in the history of theieves. the dude you stole from would just be wondering why he was getting checks in the mail every month, i mean shit if your gonna cut me in one the money you make than by all means steal my shit
sixxx 5:50 PM - 9 November, 2010
Like Dave Chapelle put it. Just give people their reparation money so they can buy cigarettes, jewelry and spinners for their cars. It will also stimulate the economy. It's a win win situation.

lol
stevie o 5:52 PM - 9 November, 2010
Your a rascialist man
sixxx 5:52 PM - 9 November, 2010
Oh, and of course a lot of that money would go for back child support. hahaha
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:53 PM - 9 November, 2010
when gay people get the right to get married should we then stop allowing random straight couples to get married to pay them back for the years of injustice
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:53 PM - 9 November, 2010
also she we stop certian men from voting since for a looong time women couldnt vote??, should we now only count 3 men votes for every 2 womens??
stevie o 5:54 PM - 9 November, 2010
If your grandfather punched my grandfather in the face in 1920. Do I have the right to punch you?
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:54 PM - 9 November, 2010
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If your grandfather punched my grandfather in the face in 1920. Do I have the right to punch you?



your onto something, i need to find a geneoligist to do a family history on some board members
AKIEM 5:59 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Congrats on your guns. If somoene steps foot in you house aim for there skull.

And yes you are a liberal. You proved that. No big deal. You believe people are entitled. I dont. We agree to disagree


nope, I am not a liberal.

I do not believe people are entitled to anything other then what the constitution allows for. And I do believe that people are entitled to COMPENSATION for what was stolen, not a hand out. This is a moral issue, not a legal issue.

AND AGAIN, I do not believe that you should be discriminated against. I do not believe that you personally owe anyone anything you have not taken.

But I also do not believe that someone is TAKING a job from you. Anymore then a trust fund kid is TAKING anything from you if he is getting all the perks of the society along with his fund. Shit aint fucking fair.

BUT when something as horrible as slavery, and years of horrible treatment and OUTRIGHT theft of wealth happens, in recent enough times that the people living TODAY had the shit happen to them - then there is a moral obligation of the society to AT LEAST deal with it in some way.

AND AGAIN I AM NOT SAYING THE WE ARE DEALING WITH IT IN THE BEST WAY
AKIEM 6:02 PM - 9 November, 2010
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If your grandfather punched my grandfather in the face in 1920. Do I have the right to punch you?


No, but if my grandfather stole your grandfathers watch in 1920, I would expect you to want it back. And I would be insulting you if I called it a HAND OUT
stevie o 6:03 PM - 9 November, 2010
First of all I hate trust fund babies, However this is america, A capitilist country. If the trust fund babies father worked his balls off to earn a living and saved enough to provide for his children in the form of money, Whats wrong with that? The kid isnt recieving govt money or taxpayers money.
I have a 4 month year old daughter. I already set up a college fund for her and a bank account. I choose to work my balls off and provide her with everything I didnt have. Is there a problem with that?
DJ Sniffles 6:06 PM - 9 November, 2010
So let me know if this sounds just. My grandfather had a chance to be a MLB star. He was going to be the next Babe Ruth. His neighbor who hates Mexicans pulls out of his driveway recklessly and fast, hits my grandfather, runs him over, destroys his career. Now my family was robbed from wealth.

Should I be able to go to that house and sue the owners? They heard about what had happened from stories passed down in the community but obviously had nothing to do with it and don't agree with what happened. Would it be just and fair to sue their estate? Possibly get a cut of the sale of their house to pay back for what the previous owner did? Doesn't make sense huh?
sixxx 6:07 PM - 9 November, 2010
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First of all I hate trust fund babies, However this is america, A capitilist country. If the trust fund babies father worked his balls off to earn a living and saved enough to provide for his children in the form of money, Whats wrong with that? The kid isnt recieving govt money or taxpayers money.
I have a 4 month year old daughter. I already set up a college fund for her and a bank account. I choose to work my balls off and provide her with everything I didnt have. Is there a problem with that?


Not at all. I don't see a problem with it. I think all of us should work for our future and the future of our children.
stevie o 6:07 PM - 9 November, 2010
Johnny thinks it makes perfect sense
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:08 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Let me bring it into a a closer perspective.

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It was not until 1965 when the last Official RACIST Laws were overturned.


I was born in 1967. That means that my PARENTS EXPERIENCED RACISM OFFICIALLY for the bulk of their lives up until 1965.

That was ONLY 45 years ago.


I was born in 78. I have nothing to do with what happpend befor that. You are arguing a point which is ridiculous.


Ok, so when I experience RACISM at my WORKPLACE TODAY, I'm arguing a point which is ridiculous?

Whatever man.

Like AKIEM said, Work Harder.


If you had 1/10th the work ethic I


Unlike you, I am NOT looking for a Job.

I've always had a job since 18.

Started in 1985, kept that for 10 years.

Took a second job in 1991, kept that for 10 years.

Got laid off, for 3 months, took another job in 2001, and am still currently there.

You could never tell me about work ethic.

Stop whining.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:09 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Dont turn this into a big dick contest or a compare bank account contest.,


That's right because you would loose. And my dick is bigger, because I'm a minority.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:10 PM - 9 November, 2010
Quote:
Quote:

First of all I hate trust fund babies, However this is america, A capitilist country. If the trust fund babies father worked his balls off to earn a living and saved enough to provide for his children in the form of money, Whats wrong with that? The kid isnt recieving govt money or taxpayers money.
I have a 4 month year old daughter. I already set up a college fund for her and a bank account. I choose to work my balls off and provide her with everything I didnt have. Is there a problem with that?


Not at all. I don't see a problem with it. I think all of us should work for our future and the future of our children.

EXACTLY and heres the thing, we should ALL, be working for a better future for ALL of the kids. Now by that i dont mean that im going to work and bustin my ass to pay for your kids college or something, what i mean is we should be working to give all our future kids an oppritunity. Not working so that some kids have a oppritunity and others dont
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:11 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Dont turn this into a big dick contest or a compare bank account contest.,


That's right because you would loose. And my dick is bigger, because I'm a minority.



well theres your fucking repreations right there
AKIEM 6:13 PM - 9 November, 2010
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First of all I hate trust fund babies, However this is america, A capitilist country. If the trust fund babies father worked his balls off to earn a living and saved enough to provide for his children in the form of money, Whats wrong with that? The kid isnt recieving govt money or taxpayers money.
I have a 4 month year old daughter. I already set up a college fund for her and a bank account. I choose to work my balls off and provide her with everything I didnt have. Is there a problem with that?


Why would I have a problem with that?

But why do you hate trust fund babies?
We live in a competitive society, some people are born with the upper hand. Some people are even born never having to work, and nether will their kids and grand kids.

that person is going to get all types of advantages over you in all types of situations

that is the SITUATION

Do they owe YOU something?
of course not
So WHY be so concerned about what some other mf is getting? Some guy is getting a job he might not fucking deserve - oh well

keep it moving
DJ TOGTFO 6:13 PM - 9 November, 2010
Stevie O is like Fox news.
DJ TOGTFO 6:14 PM - 9 November, 2010
I am a trust fund baby.
DJ Sniffles 6:15 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Stevie O is like Fox news.


You just want reparations because Kia and Hyundai were treated as shit cars but are now producing good cars and people are weary of buying them.
DJ TOGTFO 6:17 PM - 9 November, 2010
hahaha, I don't know about Kia, they still suck, but Hyundai will be a luxury brand in about 4 more years! FUCK EVERYONE! KOREA UP IN DIS BITCH! Ok, gotta get back to my COD: Black Ops
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:17 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Firefighters screened out before they took the test? LMAO!


Yeah, you know, like voter fraud?

I was being mostly sarcastic as to imply there was a "No Minorities Allowed" sign at th entrance and a Klansman there to enforce it, but I see that went' over everybody's head.

Oh well.
AKIEM 6:18 PM - 9 November, 2010
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So let me know if this sounds just. My grandfather had a chance to be a MLB star. He was going to be the next Babe Ruth. His neighbor who hates Mexicans pulls out of his driveway recklessly and fast, hits my grandfather, runs him over, destroys his career. Now my family was robbed from wealth.

Should I be able to go to that house and sue the owners? They heard about what had happened from stories passed down in the community but obviously had nothing to do with it and don't agree with what happened. Would it be just and fair to sue their estate? Possibly get a cut of the sale of their house to pay back for what the previous owner did? Doesn't make sense huh?


The reason this comparison does not work is the WEALTH was not lost. Come up with a comparison where the WEALTH that was stolen still exists.

Come up with a comparison where the harm is still being done.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:20 PM - 9 November, 2010
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I agree with AKIEM and JohnnyM. Work harder

to change the color of your skin. If Michael Jackson and Sammy can do it. So can you. lol


And as you know, the minute Michael got hit with those molestation allegations, he became BLACK AGAIN.

OJ too.
sixxx 6:20 PM - 9 November, 2010
Btw, I don't know about you guys but I love when it rains and all the snails come out. I love to kick them like their footballs. hahaha

Off topic. I know... but so are many of these arguments now. lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:21 PM - 9 November, 2010
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So let me know if this sounds just. My grandfather had a chance to be a MLB star. He was going to be the next Babe Ruth. His neighbor who hates Mexicans pulls out of his driveway recklessly and fast, hits my grandfather, runs him over, destroys his career. Now my family was robbed from wealth.

Should I be able to go to that house and sue the owners? They heard about what had happened from stories passed down in the community but obviously had nothing to do with it and don't agree with what happened. Would it be just and fair to sue their estate? Possibly get a cut of the sale of their house to pay back for what the previous owner did? Doesn't make sense huh?


The reason this comparison does not work is the WEALTH was not lost. Come up with a comparison where the WEALTH that was stolen still exists.

Come up with a comparison where the harm is still being done.


you dont think wealth was lost?? He was gonna be a major league pitcher, do you know how much wealth he lost now that he cant perform that duty??
sixxx 6:21 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Come up with a comparison where the WEALTH that was stolen still exists.


But isn't that what you did with the whole Meddof (or whatever his name is)?

I mean, most of the money he stole doesn't exist anymore. lol
DJ Sniffles 6:24 PM - 9 November, 2010
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So let me know if this sounds just. My grandfather had a chance to be a MLB star. He was going to be the next Babe Ruth. His neighbor who hates Mexicans pulls out of his driveway recklessly and fast, hits my grandfather, runs him over, destroys his career. Now my family was robbed from wealth.

Should I be able to go to that house and sue the owners? They heard about what had happened from stories passed down in the community but obviously had nothing to do with it and don't agree with what happened. Would it be just and fair to sue their estate? Possibly get a cut of the sale of their house to pay back for what the previous
owner did? Doesn't make sense huh?


The reason this comparison does not work is the WEALTH was not lost. Come up with a comparison where the WEALTH that was stolen still exists.

Come up with a comparison where the harm is still being done.


Replace it with whatever you want, it doesn't matter. Why would current house owners be somewhat responsible for what the precious owner did years ago. Something the current owners thought was wrong.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:27 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Johnny thinks it makes perfect sense


That's funny...

But hey, I'm a minority, and I need someone else to tell me that.
AKIEM 6:29 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Come up with a comparison where the WEALTH that was stolen still exists.


But isn't that what you did with the whole Meddof (or whatever his name is)?

I mean, most of the money he stole doesn't exist anymore. lol


Right, so it cant be paid back.

But the wealth of this entire country still exists (for a while anyway). And access to that wealth is still denied, and kept from people it was stolen from.

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Replace it with whatever you want, it doesn't matter. Why would current house owners be somewhat responsible for what the precious owner did years ago. Something the current owners thought was wrong.


How about with gold. They smacked the guy up, reached in his pocket and stole all his gold coins. Those coins are sitting right there in the house.
RogerRabbit 6:32 PM - 9 November, 2010
Blacks are superior!


/end thread..
sixxx 6:32 PM - 9 November, 2010
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But the wealth of this entire country still exists (for a while anyway). And access to that wealth is still denied, and kept from people it was stolen from.


Who are you talking about now. American Indians?
sixxx 6:32 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Blacks are superior!


/end dream..


lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:35 PM - 9 November, 2010
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But the wealth of this entire country still exists (for a while anyway). And access to that wealth is still denied, and kept from people it was stolen from.


in the same way it was denied the person in the baseball example
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:36 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Blacks are superior!

/end thread..


If that's the case then we wouldn't need to take a test for anything....
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:37 PM - 9 November, 2010
Heres one for you, lets say you have a exam to be a DR, 100 people take it, 50 white 50 minorties. all 50 white people pass it but only 20 minorities. Is that test racist? Should the test be changed? Should there be a quota instituted
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:38 PM - 9 November, 2010
Depends on what was on the test. If they can PROVE that the test was "skewed" so that White People would have an advantage, then you'd have a problem....
stevie o 6:39 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Let me bring it into a a closer perspective.

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It was not until 1965 when the last Official RACIST Laws were overturned.


I was born in 1967. That means that my PARENTS EXPERIENCED RACISM OFFICIALLY for the bulk of their lives up until 1965.

That was ONLY 45 years ago.


I was born in 78. I have nothing to do with what happpend befor that. You are arguing a point which is ridiculous.


Ok, so when I experience RACISM at my WORKPLACE TODAY, I'm arguing a point which is ridiculous?

Whatever man.

Like AKIEM said, Work Harder.


If you had 1/10th the work ethic I


Unlike you, I am NOT looking for a Job.

I've always had a job since 18.

Started in 1985, kept that for 10 years.

Took a second job in 1991, kept that for 10 years.

Got laid off, for 3 months, took another job in 2001, and am still currently there.

You could never tell me about work ethic.

Stop whining.


Not whining, Just given an example injustic. Not looking for a job either. I can work anyday or night of the week. It would have been nice to get the fdny job because they work 2 days a week and I could run my 2 businesses.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:39 PM - 9 November, 2010
And it also depends on how LONG that particular test (if found to be skewed) had been administered...

Was it a few weeks?

A few years?

A few generations?

All that comes into play.
RogerRabbit 6:40 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Blacks are superior!


/end dream..


lol


We started with building pyramids...... to creating a this entire dj culture - which other races embrace as their own.... just saying...
stevie o 6:40 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Dont turn this into a big dick contest or a compare bank account contest.,


That's right because you would loose. And my dick is bigger, because I'm a minority.


You better have alot of zeros in that account. Good reply with the minority dick comment
stevie o 6:41 PM - 9 November, 2010
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And it also depends on how LONG that particular test (if found to be skewed) had been administered...

Was it a few weeks?

A few years?

A few generations?

All that comes into play.


test was never skewed. Its like talking to a wall
AKIEM 6:41 PM - 9 November, 2010
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But the wealth of this entire country still exists (for a while anyway). And access to that wealth is still denied, and kept from people it was stolen from.


Who are you talking about now. American Indians?


There have been some solutions in dealing with what happened to Native peoples. At least some of them have been able to maintain some sovereignty. Which has allowed some of them to profit from gambling and put checks in pockets. Personally I believe various treaties should still be honored, especially in the Dakotas.

Black peoples sovereignty and self determination was completely obliterated, and access to the wealth they created was denied.
stevie o 6:43 PM - 9 November, 2010
7% of ALL test takers were black. I know your response is they were weeded out prior to taking the test.
Makes perfrct sense
sixxx 6:44 PM - 9 November, 2010
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7% of ALL test takers were black. I know your response is they were weeded out prior to taking the test.
Makes perfrct sense


Nah. They just woke up too late and missed the test. lol
sixxx 6:44 PM - 9 November, 2010
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7% of ALL test takers were black. I know your response is they were weeded out prior to taking the test.
Makes perfrct sense


Or, nah. They were sitting in the shade and the person giving the test missed them.

:P
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:45 PM - 9 November, 2010
Quote:
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And it also depends on how LONG that particular test (if found to be skewed) had been administered...

Was it a few weeks?

A few years?

A few generations?

All that comes into play.


test was never skewed. Its like talking to a wall



Here is my problem with it and this is a direct quote from the judge

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Last January a federal judge agreed, ruling the hiring test to become one of New York's bravest was not just discriminatory but illegal. He ordered the city to fix it.

"Blacks don't fare as well as whites on this test, probably due to the disparity of education," said Washington.



It says right there that blacks are not doing well on the test because of disparity in education. So the solution SHOULD NOT be to gaurentee them a place with quotas and it SHOULD NOT be by dumbing down the test.

WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN is the NYFD should work with the schools and put money into programs that would teach these kids better. How about a class they can offer to hellp get people up to speed, how about vocational classes in preomitably black neighborhoods or schools that woul PREPARE them to take the test and be on an equivilent platform that the white test takers are on. How about we TEACH THEM how to take the test and the knowledge theyll need instead of gaurenteeing them a job WITHOUT the education or dumbing down the test
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:46 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Not whining, Just given an example in justice.


Not really, as you dare question my work ethic.

Not only have I held jobs, but have been passed OVER for promotions and things because I was a minority.

So I handled it, and shit was ruled in my favor.

Now, for a LONG TIME, I expected EVERYONE to be able to do the same thing I did, GET UP AND GO TO WORK...

And felt "Funny" about those who chose to stand on the corner, and collect a check.

Only after I saw what happened to one of my boys, who always had a job too, and how its EASY to get caught up in the system, did I stop judging people on what I THOUGHT was pure laziness.

Neighborhoods that are afflicted have given up hope, NOBODY CAN JUST MOVE OUT, (see Sixxx), and the cycle continues....

They have to fix that. People STILL need to be responsible for THEMSELVES, but a whole lot of influence came from outside sources to put them in the conditions that they're in.

A Quota is a SMALL fix for that....
RogerRabbit 6:46 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Blacks are superior!

/end thread..


If that's the case then we wouldn't need to take a test for anything....

That's because the flock got lazy/greedy/complacent along the way...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:47 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Dont turn this into a big dick contest or a compare bank account contest.,


That's right because you would loose. And my dick is bigger, because I'm a minority.


You better have alot of zeros in that account. Good reply with the minority dick comment


Well, if you're so well off, why be a Firefighter? Didn't you say that was a dumb job?
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:47 PM - 9 November, 2010
and for johnny who claims that the NONMINORITYS are the ones responsible for this

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Mannix doesn't officially speak for the city but the fire department and the mayor both declined our request for an interview. In a statement, the city said, "The city disagrees with the court's findings that these tests were discriminatory and intends to appeal."

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:48 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Its like talking to a wall


And you're like Fox News...

Even tradeoff.

I'm sayin...

So who was more qualified than Obama to lead the country?
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:49 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Not only have I held jobs, but have been passed OVER for promotions and things because I was a minority


Id be willing to bet money that you werent passed up because your a minority...more because your an asshole. The reason it was ruled in your favor is cause noone wanted to come out and say it LMFAO JK
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:50 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Blacks are superior!

/end thread..


If that's the case then we wouldn't need to take a test for anything....

That's because the flock got lazy/greedy/complacent along the way...


That's your opinion.

That's not the facts.
sixxx 6:50 PM - 9 November, 2010
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SHOULD NOT be by dumbing down the test.


Totally agree with this.
sixxx 6:50 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Not only have I held jobs, but have been passed OVER for promotions and things because I was a minority


Id be willing to bet money that you werent passed up because your a minority...more because your an asshole. The reason it was ruled in your favor is cause noone wanted to come out and say it LMFAO JK



hahaha
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:51 PM - 9 November, 2010
Hey, I was "Asshole" enough to bring it up, and not only got what I deserved, but got the OTHER guy AND his boss fired...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:52 PM - 9 November, 2010
The most Dangerous thing on this earth is a Well Spoken Black Man.
AKIEM 6:52 PM - 9 November, 2010
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But the wealth of this entire country still exists (for a while anyway). And access to that wealth is still denied, and kept from people it was stolen from.


in the same way it was denied the person in the baseball example


no - in the baseball example they guy was denied the ability to earn.
If you want to make that analogy work. Lets say that instead of the guys ability to earn was destroyed, that he was an excellent player. But when he wasnt playing he was locked in chains by the neighbor. Then all the players checks did not go to him, they went to the neighbor, while he got shit. The neighbor built an imperial palace, and invested all the money in gold and shit.

Then when the son of the ball player was going out for the team the neighbor broke his legs so he could not compete against his son who went out for the team. Now the grand son of the player has no choice but to live in the shed behind the mansion and work for bullshit wages in the mansion.

Then the guy in the mansion is on some, hey why dont I take some of your earning and you can OWN that shed out back, that would be good? So the guy in the shed starts making payments on the shed. oops its a recession and its all the guy in the sheds fault for trying to buy the damn shed.
RogerRabbit 6:52 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Blacks are superior!

/end thread..


If that's the case then we wouldn't need to take a test for anything....

That's because the flock got lazy/greedy/complacent along the way...


That's your opinion.

That's not the facts.[/quote
Not really.... history speaks for itself..
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:54 PM - 9 November, 2010
Quote:
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Quote:


And it also depends on how LONG that particular test (if found to be skewed) had been administered...

Was it a few weeks?

A few years?

A few generations?

All that comes into play.


test was never skewed. Its like talking to a wall



Here is my problem with it and this is a direct quote from the judge


Quote:


Last January a federal judge agreed, ruling the hiring test to become one of New York's bravest was not just discriminatory but illegal. He ordered the city to fix it.

"Blacks don't fare as well as whites on this test, probably due to the disparity of education," said Washington.



It says right there that blacks are not doing well on the test because of disparity in education. So the solution SHOULD NOT be to gaurentee them a place with quotas and it SHOULD NOT be by dumbing down the test.

WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN is the NYFD should work with the schools and put money into programs that would teach these kids better. How about a class they can offer to hellp get people up to speed, how about vocational classes in preomitably black neighborhoods or schools that woul PREPARE them to take the test and be on an equivilent platform that the white test takers are on. How about we TEACH THEM how to take the test and the knowledge theyll need instead of gaurenteeing them a job WITHOUT the education or dumbing down the test


Im going to post this again as my solution of fairness just in case it gets caught up in the rapid fire hail of conversations thats happening. If you feel we owe something to the minorities to make up for it how about we give more time money and effort INTO BETTER SCHOOLING, on this, give them the "unfair advantage" of a chance to get ahead by putting in work early and giving them access to KNOWLEGE that other candidates DONT have, KNOWLEDGE that was withheld from their grandparents before them. Give them a chance to gather the tools and KNOWLEDGE that would put them AHEAD of the game. School programs, mentor programs, Vocational programs, all things that would let them get their foot in the door and make them a BETTER candidate for the job than a non minority since nonminoritys seem so adept. How about we build BETTER people with better minds and abilitys and RAISE the bar for the job instead of lowering the bar and lowering the standards to the level of those who CANT pass. That way notonly do we give oppritunity to those who have been looked over but as a whole we raise the talent level of the organisation we are trying to buid...WHAT COULD BE MORE FAIR THAN THIS!!!!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:54 PM - 9 November, 2010
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That's not the facts.

Not really.... history speaks for itself..


Please quote the history that you speak of .
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:54 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Hey, I was "Asshole" enough to bring it up, and not only got what I deserved, but got the OTHER guy AND his boss fired...



See dude lost his job...that was an asshole thing to do LOL
DJ Sniffles 6:55 PM - 9 November, 2010
Quoted from the site. Everyone gets a fair chance.


The FDNY also provides free tutorials to help you prepare for the Written Exam, for information call (718) 999-FDNY
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:56 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Hey, I was "Asshole" enough to bring it up, and not only got what I deserved, but got the OTHER guy AND his boss fired...


See dude lost his job...that was an asshole thing to do LOL


He should have stopped trying to block my path to living the American Dream.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:56 PM - 9 November, 2010
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no - in the baseball example they guy was denied the ability to earn.
If you want to make that analogy work. Lets say that instead of the guys ability to earn was destroyed, that he was an excellent player. But when he wasnt playing he was locked in chains by the neighbor. Then all the players checks did not go to him, they went to the neighbor, while he got shit. The neighbor built an imperial palace, and invested all the money in gold and shit.



this IS how professional sports works....how many dunks have you seen mark cuban make
RogerRabbit 6:56 PM - 9 November, 2010
I was listening to kiss fm sunday morning program a few weeks ago.. They were discussing the whole fdny bit - it's really a well know fact that the department has been bias to minorities - in terms of hiring and promotion..
DJ Sniffles 6:56 PM - 9 November, 2010
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The most Dangerous thing on this earth is a Well Spoken Black Man.


No....

Volcanoes are way more dangerous
sixxx 6:57 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Quoted from the site. Everyone gets a fair chance.


The FDNY also provides free tutorials to help you prepare for the Written Exam, for information call (718) 999-FDNY


There you go. Zing!
stevie o 6:57 PM - 9 November, 2010
I am going golfing now with the white elitists

I will see you dummys later
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:58 PM - 9 November, 2010
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The most Dangerous thing on this earth is a Well Spoken Black Man.


No....

Volcanoes are way more dangerous



and bears
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:58 PM - 9 November, 2010
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I was listening to kiss fm sunday morning program a few weeks ago.. They were discussing the whole fdny bit - it's really a well know fact that the department has been bias to minorities - in terms of hiring and promotion..

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The most Dangerous thing on this earth is a Well Spoken Black Man.


No....

Volcanoes are way more dangerous


That's up for debate...

Some would rather have a Volcano "be in charge" vs. a Well Spoken Black Man.
sixxx 6:58 PM - 9 November, 2010
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The most Dangerous thing on this earth is a Well Spoken Black Man.


No....

Volcanoes are way more dangerous


and tehBEN's toilet dumps.
sixxx 6:58 PM - 9 November, 2010
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I am going golfing now with the white elitists

I will see you dummys at the golf course



lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:58 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Quoted from the site. Everyone gets a fair chance.


The FDNY also provides free tutorials to help you prepare for the Written Exam, for information call (718) 999-FDNY


There you go. Zing!


Sure that's NOW, but how about in 1980?

lol..

Y'all are so easy...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:59 PM - 9 November, 2010
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I am going golfing now with the white elitists

I will see you dummys later


LOL, you "Wannabe Like Woods" fanantic....
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:59 PM - 9 November, 2010
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no - in the baseball example they guy was denied the ability to earn.
If you want to make that analogy work. Lets say that instead of the guys ability to earn was destroyed, that he was an excellent player. But when he wasnt playing he was locked in chains by the neighbor. Then all the players checks did not go to him, they went to the neighbor, while he got shit. The neighbor built an imperial palace, and invested all the money in gold and shit.




as a wise man once said, behind every rich black man is a wealthy white man
this IS how professional sports works....how many dunks have you seen mark cuban make
DJ Dac 6:59 PM - 9 November, 2010
man, I'm glad i stopped tracking this guy about 400 posts ago...
sixxx 6:59 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Quoted from the site. Everyone gets a fair chance.


The FDNY also provides free tutorials to help you prepare for the Written Exam, for information call (718) 999-FDNY


There you go. Zing!


Sure that's NOW, but how about in 1980?

lol..

Y'all are so easy...


Stevie didn't apply in 1980 dumb dumb. lol
sixxx 7:00 PM - 9 November, 2010
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I am going golfing now with the white elitists

I will see you dummys later


LOL, you "Wannabe Like Woods" fanantic....


what is fanantic?
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:00 PM - 9 November, 2010
damnit i gott go to lunch i know im gonna come back to about 300 posts to read...sigh
AKIEM 7:00 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Im going to post this again as my solution of fairness just in case it gets caught up in the rapid fire hail of conversations thats happening. If you feel we owe something to the minorities to make up for it how about we give more time money and effort INTO BETTER SCHOOLING, on this, give them the "unfair advantage" of a chance to get ahead by putting in work early and giving them access to KNOWLEGE that other candidates DONT have, KNOWLEDGE that was withheld from their grandparents before them. Give them a chance to gather the tools and KNOWLEDGE that would put them AHEAD of the game. School programs, mentor programs, Vocational programs, all things that would let them get their foot in the door and make them a BETTER candidate for the job than a non minority since nonminoritys seem so adept. How about we build BETTER people with better minds and abilitys and RAISE the bar for the job instead of lowering the bar and lowering the standards to the level of those who CANT pass. That way notonly do we give oppritunity to those who have been looked over but as a whole we raise the talent level of the organisation we are trying to buid...WHAT COULD BE MORE FAIR THAN THIS!!!!


Because that would be COMMUNISM you fucking LIBERAL lazy handout taker!
Why should some kids get any special treatment?!?!!
sixxx 7:00 PM - 9 November, 2010
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man, I'm glad i stopped tracking this guy about 400 posts ago...
sixxx 7:00 PM - 9 November, 2010
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man, I'm glad i stopped fucking this guy about 400 posts ago...


Dale in the thread? lol
sixxx 7:01 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Why should some kids get any special treatment?!?!!


Special ed kids? Mmmmh. lol
RogerRabbit 7:02 PM - 9 November, 2010
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That's not the facts.

Not really.... history speaks for itself..


Please quote the history that you speak of .

Let's see we are on the same wavelength here.... I am saying it is black people fault for the state of the community.. and you are saying it's not.. I am correct?
sixxx 7:04 PM - 9 November, 2010
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I am correct?


I believe it should be "Am I correct?".

Looks like you need to go back to school to take advantage of the "reparations". :P
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:05 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Quoted from the site. Everyone gets a fair chance.

The FDNY also provides free tutorials to help you prepare for the Written Exam, for information call (718) 999-FDNY


There you go. Zing!


Sure that's NOW, but how about in 1980?

lol..

Y'all are so easy...


Stevie didn't apply in 1980 dumb dumb. lol


No, he SHOULD HAVE, then, he would have made the cut.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:06 PM - 9 November, 2010
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That's not the facts.

Not really.... history speaks for itself..


Please quote the history that you speak of .

Let's see we are on the same wavelength here.... I am saying it is black people fault for the state of the community.. and you are saying it's not.. I am correct?


Not entirely their fault, no.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:07 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Quoted from the site. Everyone gets a fair chance.

The FDNY also provides free tutorials to help you prepare for the Written Exam, for information call (718) 999-FDNY


There you go. Zing!


Sure that's NOW, but how about in 1980?

lol..

Y'all are so easy...


Stevie didn't apply in 1980 dumb dumb. lol


No, he SHOULD HAVE, then, he would have made the cut.


not necessarily
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:07 PM - 9 November, 2010
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man, I'm glad i stopped tracking this guy about 400 posts ago...


We knew you'd be back!

Now, you're tracking again, since you made this post.

Enjoy.
DJ Dac 7:08 PM - 9 November, 2010
I'm heading to lunch i look forward to this killing the rest of my afternoon..
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:08 PM - 9 November, 2010
WAIT TIME OUR STOP THE PRESSES......STEVIE DIDNT NOT THE THE JOB BECAUSE OF QUOTAS

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The city says next time it hires, the incoming class will be one-third minority but no firefighters have been hired in the last two years and currently there are no plans to do so.
RogerRabbit 7:09 PM - 9 November, 2010
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I am correct?


I believe it should be "Am I correct?".

Looks like you need to go back to school to take advantage of the "reparations". :P



Lol.. you know what I meant...

Going back to school wouldn't make a difference... Ya see Bezzle got a job in the computer field way before me :)
AKIEM 7:10 PM - 9 November, 2010
And what was McCain supposed to be doing better then Obama the FDNY test taker president?
sixxx 7:18 PM - 9 November, 2010
I just want this thread to reach 1000 posts. So, I'm going to keep on posting. :)
sixxx 7:18 PM - 9 November, 2010
568
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580
sixxx 7:20 PM - 9 November, 2010
I think I got the count wrong. haha
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:24 PM - 9 November, 2010
heres the manual for the test if anyone wants to flip through it and see how wicked and racist it is

fdnyretiree.com
sixxx 7:33 PM - 9 November, 2010
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heres the manual for the test if anyone wants to flip through it and see how wicked and racist it is

fdnyretiree.com


I can't read it. I was "screened out" from downloading it.


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
DJ TOGTFO 7:37 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Blacks are superior!




superior criminals and athletes... ohhhhh snap! hahaha I kid I kid!
sixxx 7:59 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Blacks are superior!



superior criminals and athletes... ohhhhh snap! hahaha I kid I kid!



hahaha
RogerRabbit 8:41 PM - 9 November, 2010
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That's not the facts.

Not really.... history speaks for itself..


Please quote the history that you speak of .

Let's see we are on the same wavelength here.... I am saying it is black people fault for the state of the community.. and you are saying it's not.. I am correct?


Not entirely their fault, no.

Ok.. Then at what point does the community start responsibility.... Since the Martin Luther King era there hasn't been a state of heightened social awareness... When do we STOP blaming other races for the state of our youths?
RogerRabbit 8:49 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Blacks are superior!



superior criminals and athletes... ohhhhh snap! hahaha I kid I kid!

Ha Ha I ain't mad ya... you guys provide the best real merchandise at Fulton street...

Supercriminals don't get caught btw... so you got the wrong group...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:04 PM - 9 November, 2010
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That's not the facts.

Not really.... history speaks for itself..


Please quote the history that you speak of .

Let's see we are on the same wavelength here.... I am saying it is black people fault for the state of the community.. and you are saying it's not.. I am correct?


Not entirely their fault, no.

Ok.. Then at what point does the community start responsibility.... Since the Martin Luther King era there hasn't been a state of heightened social awareness... When do we STOP blaming other races for the state of our youths?


I hear you LOUD AND CLEAR MAN...

Like I said, I had a certain perception of those who just "collected a check".

But there are clearly those who are a PRODUCT of the system, and those who manipulate it.

Some DON'T want to do better.

Some DO want to do better.

Most can't catch a break.

My father didn't TEACH me prejudice, BUT at a young age, he told me there would be those who HATE ME just because of my skin color.

Not anything I said or did, but because I am a certain shade.

There will be those who don't necessarily will HATE ME, but won't want me to advance as far as my potential COULD lead me, and would put up roadblocks to stop me on my path.

Take for example, at one of those jobs, I had a White Female Supervisor, and it was time for her to give me a review.

So, being the excellent worker that I am, I quickly excelled, and everyone knew I could run that place with my arms tied behind my back.

So there's this scale of 1 - 5 that I'm supposed to be rated, (5 being the best at whatever category it is).

She gives me a 3.5, but then it got raised to a 5.0 by HER BOSS.

However, at the time, I was only shown the 5, so I thought it was all gravy from the door.

I didn't even know until AFTER the fact that her boss (who was a White Male), took me to the side and showed me the INITIAL review that she gave me, (3.5), submitted it to him for "approval", and was then to give me my raise and evaluation based on his approval.

I asked him why she would do that, and he said he KNOWS she's not keen on seeing "People Of Color" advance....and that was my first OFFICIALLY DOCUMENTED TASTE OF Racism directed towards me specifically.

He said her "Excuse" for giving me that 3.5, was so that I would have something to "Strive" for....meaning the 5.

There have always been the black vs. white things, as a kid growing up but this?

This was new to me, as I thought we were "Past" that, and the lady would smile and be nice as pie to me, just as everyone else.

I say all that to say, my father told me to do a few things to stay "ahead" of the game..

1. Keep a valid driver's license on you.
2. Don't get arrested for ANYTHING, it will come back to haunt you, walk away from trouble.

How many people do I know in bad communities that have those 2 simple things?

Not many...if any.
sixxx 9:08 PM - 9 November, 2010
Did your dad talked to you about the people you were going to annoy in the future? lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:15 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Did your dad talked to you about the people you were going to annoy in the future? lol



LMFAO!!....I can picture Dj JohhnyM senior playing with his kid like man this kids annoyin as hell AND hes black he dosent stand a chance better start explaining it to him now and soften the blow
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:18 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Take for example, at one of those jobs, I had a White Female Supervisor, and it was time for her to give me a review.

So, being the excellent worker that I am, I quickly excelled, and everyone knew I could run that place with my arms tied behind my back.

So there's this scale of 1 - 5 that I'm supposed to be rated, (5 being the best at whatever category it is).

She gives me a 3.5, but then it got raised to a 5.0 by HER BOSS.

However, at the time, I was only shown the 5, so I thought it was all gravy from the door.

I didn't even know until AFTER the fact that her boss (who was a White Male), took me to the side and showed me the INITIAL review that she gave me, (3.5), submitted it to him for "approval", and was then to give me my raise and evaluation based on his approval.

I asked him why she would do that, and he said he KNOWS she's not keen on seeing "People Of Color" advance....and that was my first OFFICIALLY DOCUMENTED TASTE OF Racism directed towards me specifically.

He said her "Excuse" for giving me that 3.5, was so that I would have something to "Strive" for....meaning the 5.





Did it ever occur to you that mabye it had nothing to do with race, mabye it had more to do with her feeling threatened by your overwelming ability to run the place and she was just trying to protect her position by devalueing you?? Or possibly she just didnt like you because.....your you
DJ Dac 9:20 PM - 9 November, 2010
a man?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:22 PM - 9 November, 2010
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no time for prayer now were talkin bout politics
DJ Dac 9:23 PM - 9 November, 2010
lol, i thought we were talking about bitches?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:25 PM - 9 November, 2010
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lol, i thought we were talking about bitches?



...technically...
DJ Dac 9:27 PM - 9 November, 2010
zing...
stevie o 10:16 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Stevie O is like Fox news.


Have you guys ever watched fox news or do you just listen to the opinions the ladies from the view, and the President has on fox news?

The ONLY show I watch is on fox is the Oreilly factor. He is fair to everyone. Before you respond watch an episode. The other jerkoffs on that channel I cant stand. Hannity and Beck are one sided puppets. Oreilly forms his own opionions is fair to everyone and is usually right on about everything.

(Here comes all the Chris Mathews and Jon stewart fans that have never watched Oreilly to comment)
AKIEM 10:17 PM - 9 November, 2010
I love it when people doubt a story about discrimination or racism - with some "are your sure" shit. Bitch, yes Im sure. And the same motherfuckers are on some "everybody is racist" shit.

Really, 'everyone' is racist but when some racist shit happens to you, you are probably misteken. I get it.
AKIEM 10:37 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Stevie O is like Fox news.


Have you guys ever watched fox news or do you just listen to the opinions the ladies from the view, and the President has on fox news?

The ONLY show I watch is on fox is the Oreilly factor. He is fair to everyone. Before you respond watch an episode. The other jerkoffs on that channel I cant stand. Hannity and Beck are one sided puppets. Oreilly forms his own opionions is fair to everyone and is usually right on about everything.

(Here comes all the Chris Mathews and Jon stewart fans that have never watched Oreilly to comment)


Ive watched plenty of Fox news, plenty of O'Rielly, Ive listened to hours and hours of Rush (+remember his tv show), Neal Boarts(I think before national), Savage, Beck (since before he was national), Shawn, Jason Lewis, Laura Ingrham (recently)... I listen to much more right wing garbage then any liberal news. The only liberal thing I listen to is NPR (since I dont watch tv much anymore). But I can tell you what Rush is going to say before he is going to say it.

O'Rielly is full of shit and almost always wrong - I do not believe that he believes what he is saying - and most of what he says is logic from fifth grade class.

I also listen to dumb ass George Norry, and I used to LMAO listening to Phil Hendry, but now his shit is just on some dumb political shit like he sold out the funny shit.
DJ Dac 10:40 PM - 9 November, 2010
hey, you guys just hit 600 posts, now... stop tracking...again...
sixxx 11:33 PM - 9 November, 2010
lol @ DJ Dac
sixxx 11:34 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Really, 'everyone' is racist but when some racist shit happens to you, you are probably misteken. I get it.


lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:46 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Take for example, at one of those jobs, I had a White Female Supervisor, and it was time for her to give me a review.

So, being the excellent worker that I am, I quickly excelled, and everyone knew I could run that place with my arms tied behind my back.

So there's this scale of 1 - 5 that I'm supposed to be rated, (5 being the best at whatever category it is).

She gives me a 3.5, but then it got raised to a 5.0 by HER BOSS.

However, at the time, I was only shown the 5, so I thought it was all gravy from the door.

I didn't even know until AFTER the fact that her boss (who was a White Male), took me to the side and showed me the INITIAL review that she gave me, (3.5), submitted it to him for "approval", and was then to give me my raise and evaluation based on his approval.

I asked him why she would do that, and he said he KNOWS she's not keen on seeing "People Of Color" advance....and that was my first OFFICIALLY DOCUMENTED TASTE OF Racism directed towards me specifically.

He said her "Excuse" for giving me that 3.5, was so that I would have something to "Strive" for....meaning the 5.





Did it ever occur to you that mabye it had nothing to do with race, mabye it had more to do with her feeling threatened by your overwelming ability to run the place and she was just trying to protect her position by devalueing you?? Or possibly she just didnt like you because.....your you


Hey, it COULD have been, but her BOSS told me different...

Oh well..
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:48 PM - 9 November, 2010
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hey, you guys just hit 600 posts, now... stop tracking...again...


You'll be back!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:50 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Stevie O is like Fox news.


Have you guys ever watched fox news or do you just listen to the opinions the ladies from the view, and the President has on fox news?


And I was REALLY going to give you the benefit of the doubt and say you REALLY weren't one of "those" people...

OMG...

I'm going to have to start using my litmus test again..

Where's your DJ vid?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:51 PM - 9 November, 2010
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Did your dad talked to you about the people you were going to annoy in the future? lol


Heh, ask your Mom, I told her directly!
RogerRabbit 12:08 AM - 10 November, 2010
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That's not the facts.

Not really.... history speaks for itself..


Please quote the history that you speak of .

Let's see we are on the same wavelength here.... I am saying it is black people fault for the state of the community.. and you are saying it's not.. I am correct?


Not entirely their fault, no.

Ok.. Then at what point does the community start responsibility.... Since the Martin Luther King era there hasn't been a state of heightened social awareness... When do we STOP blaming other races for the state of our youths?


I hear you LOUD AND CLEAR MAN...

Like I said, I had a certain perception of those who just "collected a check".

But there are clearly those who are a PRODUCT of the system, and those who manipulate it.

Some DON'T want to do better.

Some DO want to do better.

Most can't catch a break.

My father didn't TEACH me prejudice, BUT at a young age, he told me there would be those who HATE ME just because of my skin color.

Not anything I said or did, but because I am a certain shade.

There will be those who don't necessarily will HATE ME, but won't want me to advance as far as my potential COULD lead me, and would put up roadblocks to stop me on my path.

Take for example, at one of those jobs, I had a White Female Supervisor, and it was time for her to give me a review.

So, being the excellent worker that I am, I quickly excelled, and everyone knew I could run that place with my arms tied behind my back.

So there's this scale of 1 - 5 that I'm supposed to be rated, (5 being the best at whatever category it is).

She gives me a 3.5, but then it got raised to a 5.0 by HER BOSS.

However, at the time, I was only shown the 5, so I thought it was all gravy from the door.

I didn't even know until AFTER the fact that her boss (who was a White Male), took me to the side and showed me the INITIAL review that she gave me, (3.5), submitted it to him for "approval", and was then to give me my raise and evaluation based on his approval.

I asked him why she would do that, and he said he KNOWS she's not keen on seeing "People Of Color" advance....and that was my first OFFICIALLY DOCUMENTED TASTE OF Racism directed towards me specifically.

He said her "Excuse" for giving me that 3.5, was so that I would have something to "Strive" for....meaning the 5.

There have always been the black vs. white things, as a kid growing up but this?

This was new to me, as I thought we were "Past" that, and the lady would smile and be nice as pie to me, just as everyone else.

I say all that to say, my father told me to do a few things to stay "ahead" of the game..

1. Keep a valid driver's license on you.
2. Don't get arrested for ANYTHING, it will come back to haunt you, walk away from trouble.

How many people do I know in bad communities that have those 2 simple things?

Not many...if any.


I hear ya... Thankfully I haven't received too much racism thus far... Most of my blocking has come from my own kind.. The crab-in-a-barrel mentality...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:12 AM - 10 November, 2010
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I hear ya... Thankfully I haven't received too much racism thus far... Most of my blocking has come from my own kind.. The crab-in-a-barrel mentality...


Dude, that's an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT THREAD...

on a different board....lol.
stevie o 12:14 AM - 10 November, 2010
what dj vid?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:16 AM - 10 November, 2010
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My litmus test is to see if you have any DJ skills.

If you do, then I would view you worthy of engaging in conversation with, not that I would agree with what you're talking about, but you'd at least have the honor of kicking it with me.

If you don't have skills, then I'd just treat you like Bezzle.
sixxx 12:23 AM - 10 November, 2010
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Did your dad talked to you about the people you were going to annoy in the future? lol


Heh, ask your Mom, I told her directly!


Are we going to start with the mom jokes? Cause if we are... I don't want anyone (meaning you) crying to the mods.
stevie o 12:31 AM - 10 November, 2010
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what dj vid?


My litmus test is to see if you have any DJ skills.

If you do, then I would view you worthy of engaging in conversation with, not that I would agree with what you're talking about, but you'd at least have the honor of kicking it with me.

If you don't have skills, then I'd just treat you like Bezzle.


Your from Jersey You can come see for yourself if I have skills thanksgiving eve at Blackdog on forest ave. I will be rockin a 6 hour video set. Not that it matters what your opinion of me as a dj is. I have rocked enough crowds in the last 15 years to gain respect from my peers. I actually don't consider myself a great dj. Come see for yourself. I donty see what being good at djing is your test of worth. I guess your awesome at djin. If so congrats.
Would you like to golf or bowl against me to see if your worthy of my conversation?
AKIEM 1:24 AM - 10 November, 2010
Bill O'Rielly dumbs it down, starting from already dumb.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:01 AM - 10 November, 2010
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what dj vid?


My litmus test is to see if you have any DJ skills.

If you do, then I would view you worthy of engaging in conversation with, not that I would agree with what you're talking about, but you'd at least have the honor of kicking it with me.

If you don't have skills, then I'd just treat you like Bezzle.


Your from Jersey You can come see for yourself if I have skills thanksgiving eve at Blackdog on forest ave. I will be rockin a 6 hour video set. Not that it matters what your opinion of me as a dj is. I have rocked enough crowds in the last 15 years to gain respect from my peers. I actually don't consider myself a great dj. Come see for yourself. I donty see what being good at djing is your test of worth. I guess your awesome at djin. If so congrats.
Would you like to golf or bowl against me to see if your worthy of my conversation?


You have to consider yourself a great DJ....

Forest Ave? Where have I seen that.....

I know that damn street for some reason...

That's errie.....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:02 AM - 10 November, 2010
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Did your dad talked to you about the people you were going to annoy in the future? lol


Heh, ask your Mom, I told her directly!


Are we going to start with the mom jokes? Cause if we are... I don't want anyone (meaning you) crying to the mods.


Man, you don't want to shoot the Dozens with your's truly...
djskiggz 2:19 AM - 10 November, 2010
i thought i would chime in just to help you guys reach the 1,000 mark. NOBAMA? ---yeah he sucks. Hope and change my ass.
sixxx 1:49 PM - 10 November, 2010
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Did your dad talked to you about the people you were going to annoy in the future? lol


Heh, ask your Mom, I told her directly!


Are we going to start with the mom jokes? Cause if we are... I don't want anyone (meaning you) crying to the mods.


Man, you don't want to shoot the Dozens with your's truly...



I don't speak black. I don't know what you just said.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:14 PM - 10 November, 2010
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SKIGGZ, where ya been man
Free Man 3:45 PM - 10 November, 2010
I saw a statistic about a town that was interesting. 54% of the people that were in jail were black. People in the town got mad and used this to sue the police department claiming that the police were racist.

In defence, the police department brought a Census report that showed that 55% of the town's population were black...

Moral of the story... People arent as racist as you may think...

Switch gears real quick... change the 54% of people to white. Do you think they would have sued the police department saying they were prejudice? Just a thought...
stevie o 5:06 PM - 10 November, 2010
Here's another thought. If there was a tv station called WET (white entertainment). How fast would they be branded a rascist network?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:14 PM - 10 November, 2010
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Did your dad talked to you about the people you were going to annoy in the future? lol


Heh, ask your Mom, I told her directly!


Are we going to start with the mom jokes? Cause if we are... I don't want anyone (meaning you) crying to the mods.


Man, you don't want to shoot the Dozens with your's truly...


I don't speak black. I don't know what you just said.


I will install my Rosetta Stone to speak Orangease...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:15 PM - 10 November, 2010
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Here's another thought. If there was a tv station called WET (white entertainment). How fast would they be branded a rascist network?


Nope, I would tune in everyday to watch those snowbunny pinktoes.
sixxx 5:19 PM - 10 November, 2010
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Here's another thought. If there was a tv station called WET (white entertainment). How fast would they be branded a rascist network?


Nope, I would tune in everyday to watch those snowbunny pinktoes.


lol
stevie o 5:23 PM - 10 November, 2010
I watched BET's Top ten rappers show. That topic always fascinates me (especially because I have a good understanding of who the top ten rappers of all time are).
Eminem was the only valid candidate in the top ten and one of the judges questioned it. When asked why he thought Eminem wasn't the best rapper, the judge replied..................wait for it....................................................................
...............becausehe's white.
Blatant rascism and blatant ignorance.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:25 PM - 10 November, 2010
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I watched BET's Top ten rappers show. That topic always fascinates me (especially because I have a good understanding of who the top ten rappers of all time are).
Eminem was the only valid candidate in the top ten and one of the judges questioned it. When asked why he thought Eminem wasn't the best rapper, the judge replied..................wait for it....................................................................
...............becausehe's white.
Blatant rascism and blatant ignorance.



there is a school of thought out there that states that if em were black odds are hed be nobody freestyling on the corner and if he did get an albumout hed be overlooked
RogerRabbit 5:37 PM - 10 November, 2010
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I saw a statistic about a town that was interesting. 54% of the people that were in jail were black. People in the town got mad and used this to sue the police department claiming that the police were racist.

In defence, the police department brought a Census report that showed that 55% of the town's population were black...

Moral of the story... People arent as racist as you may think...

Switch gears real quick... change the 54% of people to white. Do you think they would have sued the police department saying they were prejudice? Just a thought...

If it was a predominately black department, sure they would be suing...
d:raf 5:42 PM - 10 November, 2010
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there is a school of thought out there that states that if em were black odds are hed be nobody freestyling on the corner and if he did get an albumout hed be overlooked


I think he actually makes that point himself in "White America".

Watchwww.youtube.com
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:50 PM - 10 November, 2010
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I saw a statistic about a town that was interesting. 54% of the people that were in jail were black. People in the town got mad and used this to sue the police department claiming that the police were racist.

In defence, the police department brought a Census report that showed that 55% of the town's population were black...

Moral of the story... People arent as racist as you may think...

Switch gears real quick... change the 54% of people to white. Do you think they would have sued the police department saying they were prejudice? Just a thought...

If it was a predominately black department, sure they would be suing...


have you EVER heard of a white dude suing for racisim?? No we just say wow that was fucked up and get back to running the world
sixxx 6:03 PM - 10 November, 2010
lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:06 PM - 10 November, 2010
ironically alot of the times whites are discriminated against the person doing the discrimination ends up in jail...with all the other minorities that are there because white people discriminated against them...its a vicious cycle
DJ TOGTFO 7:08 PM - 10 November, 2010
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where u get this "facts"? TOGTFO?


From my mom and my dad. And yes they are facts.

you must be very young, say around 16 maybe?


When your dad was a lead sickle cell/ HIV researcher for the CDC for 20 years and your mom gives 2 week long lectures for all outgoing medical students at Harvard Med school strictly on "Public Health Policy" and has been a Radiation Oncologist for 30 years in the city of Flint, Michigan during and when GM was in its prime and in its demise, you tend to see all of the benefits and flaws of the healthcare system.
DJ TOGTFO 7:09 PM - 10 November, 2010
now back to racisim. A nigga, spick, chink and a jew all walk into a bar. The bartender asks "what is this, some kinda joke?" hahahahahaha
dj_craigmac 7:32 PM - 10 November, 2010
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Here's another thought. If there was a tv station called WET (white entertainment). How fast would they be branded a rascist network?





They don't have to call it WET. They are called FOX, ABC, NBC, TNN, ect... ect.. And before you flame on me, each network mentioned has what 1 maybe 2 primetime shows geared towards or featuring people of color?
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:17 PM - 10 November, 2010
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where u get this "facts"? TOGTFO?


From my mom and my dad. And yes they are facts.

you must be very young, say around 16 maybe?


When your dad was a lead sickle cell/ HIV patient for the CDC for 20 years and your mom gives 2 hour long blowjobs for all outgoing medical students at Harvard Med school strictly for "Public Health Policy" and hasnt been to a Gynocologist for 30 years in the city of Flint, Michigan during and when GM was in its prime and in its demise, you tend to see all of the benefits and flaws of the healthcare system.



I could only imagine the horrors youve seen
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:20 PM - 10 November, 2010
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Here's another thought. If there was a tv station called WET (white entertainment). How fast would they be branded a rascist network?





They don't have to call it WET. They are called FOX, ABC, NBC, TNN, ect... ect.. And before you flame on me, each network mentioned has what 1 maybe 2 primetime shows geared towards or featuring people of color?



Yes but none of those is advertised FOR white people, or any race for that matter, and they each have mabye 2 shows "geared toward people of color" in primetime....an hour of prime time is pretty signifigant amount of time. how many shows do they have on BET that are "geared toward" white people

The other question is why do you have to have anything "geared toward a colored\noncolored audience
DJ Sniffles 8:45 PM - 10 November, 2010
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where u get this "facts"? TOGTFO?


From my mom and my dad. And yes they are facts.

you must be very young, say around 16 maybe?


When your dad was a lead sickle cell/ HIV researcher for the CDC for 20 years and your mom gives 2 week long lectures for all outgoing medical students at Harvard Med school strictly on "Public Health Policy" and has been a Radiation Oncologist for 30 years in the city of Flint, Michigan during and when GM was in its prime and in its demise, you tend to see all of the benefits and flaws of the healthcare system.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:53 PM - 10 November, 2010
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sixxx 8:57 PM - 10 November, 2010
lol
sixxx 8:58 PM - 10 November, 2010
Dale says he is an HIV researcher too. lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:06 PM - 10 November, 2010
news.yahoo.com

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Schools report finds ‘jaw-dropping’ gap for black boys
By Zachary Roth

A new report has found that black boys lag behind their white counterparts in reading and math to an even greater extent than previously thought. The sponsor of the report -- the Council of the Great City Schools, an advocacy group for urban public schools -- calls the findings as "jaw-dropping."

The study concluded that the school performance gap between black boys and white boys couldn't be chalked up to poverty alone. That could provide ammunition to those who argue that cultural factors, as opposed to economic forces, explain low educational performance among African-Americans.

The study found that just 12 percent of black fourth-grade boys are proficient in reading, compared with 38 percent of white boys, the New York Times reports. Only 12 percent of black eighth-grade boys are proficient in math, compared with 44 percent of white boys.

The report also says that black boys drop out of high school at nearly twice the rate of white boys, and have SAT scores that are 104 points lower, on average.


Poverty isn't the sole explanation for the differences. The report found that poor white boys do as well at reading and math as non-poor black boys. That will give a boost to those who argue for the need to look at differences in culture and child-rearing techniques. That "culture of poverty" approach, championed by the late New York Sen. Daniel Patrick Moynihan, has long been treated gingerly, out of concern that emphasizing cultural differences could be perceived as a form of racism. But it has been making a comeback of late.

"There's accumulating evidence that there are racial differences in what kids experience before the first day of kindergarten," Ronald Ferguson, a Harvard University scholar who focuses on the racial achievement gap, told the Times. "They have to do with a lot of sociological and historical forces. In order to address those, we have to be able to have conversations that people are unwilling to have."

Ferguson added that those conversations should include "the activities that parents conduct with their 2-, 3- and 4-year-olds. How much we talk to them, the ways we talk to them, the ways we enforce discipline, the ways we encourage them to think and develop a sense of autonomy."


AKIEM 9:10 PM - 10 November, 2010
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I saw a statistic about a town that was interesting. 54% of the people that were in jail were black. People in the town got mad and used this to sue the police department claiming that the police were racist.

In defence, the police department brought a Census report that showed that 55% of the town's population were black...

Moral of the story... People arent as racist as you may think...

Switch gears real quick... change the 54% of people to white. Do you think they would have sued the police department saying they were prejudice? Just a thought...


People arnt as racist as who might think? As racist as *I** might think?

Just because someone is wrong about a racist situation does not mean that *I** am wrong about a racist situation. This is simple Bill O'Rielly type 5th grade argument.

The reverse is that just because I show you an actual racist situation it does not necessarily prove that people are more racist then you think.

BET was started was started by Black people to present views and entertainment from a Black pov that was not represented in the main stream. As craigmac points out there is no need for a WET because media in general is geared towards so called White people (yes White people enjoy Black entertainment)

BET is now owned by Viacom


Its the same with every single history class I have ever taken. It is from a White European perspective. Greece, Rome, Renaissance, Colonialism, Revolutionary War, etc. No other history is discussed, and the only way to learn about history that includes other perspectives was for there to be classes that specifically taught other perspectives.



Also, since stevie o thinks that I am a liberal, how can I possibly have these views:

I believe in smaller government. The government is vastly to large in size, spending and reach.

I believe in 0 debt. The government should not have any debt at all, it should only barrow money in crisis situations.

I believe current laws are way too intrusive.

The health care insurance bill is a joke and should be found unconstitutional.

So called entitlements, social security, medicare are unsustainable should be ether abolished or vastly reengineered.

The Free Market is the best economic system yet devised.

Taxes should be vastly reduced. Income tax should probably be abolished.

The right to keep and bare arms is an individual right and should be more lightly regulated.

Globalization (at least the way it is being instituted) is complete shite.

Global Warming is likely a fraud

There is nothing wrong with 'God' on the dollar bill, swearing an oath on the bible, the ten commandments on a court house, baby jesus in a library, and calling Christmas Break "Christmas Break"

The government should have nothing to say about "gay marriage"

Abortion is generally wrong.

How am I a liberal?
DJ Sniffles 9:14 PM - 10 November, 2010
Let's stop talking about racism and just start being racist.
AKIEM 9:15 PM - 10 November, 2010
How about we stop being racist so we dont have to talk about it?
AKIEM 9:17 PM - 10 November, 2010
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I saw a statistic about a town that was interesting. 54% of the people that were in jail were black. People in the town got mad and used this to sue the police department claiming that the police were racist.

In defence, the police department brought a Census report that showed that 55% of the town's population were black...

Moral of the story... People arent as racist as you may think...

Switch gears real quick... change the 54% of people to white. Do you think they would have sued the police department saying they were prejudice? Just a thought...


People arnt as racist as who might think? As racist as *I** might think?

Just because someone is wrong about a racist situation does not mean that *I** am wrong about a racist situation. This is simple Bill O'Rielly type 5th grade argument.

The reverse is that just because I show you an actual racist situation it does not necessarily prove that people are more racist then you think.

BET was started was started by Black people to present views and entertainment from a Black pov that was not represented in the main stream. As craigmac points out there is no need for a WET because media in general is geared towards so called White people (yes White people enjoy Black entertainment)

BET is now owned by Viacom


Its the same with every single history class I have ever taken. It is from a White European perspective. Greece, Rome, Renaissance, Colonialism, Revolutionary War, etc. No other history is discussed, and the only way to learn about history that includes other perspectives was for there to be classes that specifically taught other perspectives.



Also, since stevie o thinks that I am a liberal, how can I possibly have these views:

I believe in smaller government. The government is vastly to large in size, spending and reach.

I believe in 0 debt. The government should not have any debt at all, it should only barrow money in crisis situations.

I believe current laws are way too intrusive.

The health care insurance bill is a joke and should be found unconstitutional.

So called entitlements, social security, medicare are unsustainable should be ether abolished or vastly reengineered.

The Free Market is the best economic system yet devised.

Taxes should be vastly reduced. Income tax should probably be abolished.

The right to keep and bare arms is an individual right and should be more lightly regulated.

Globalization (at least the way it is being instituted) is complete shite.

Global Warming is likely a fraud

There is nothing wrong with 'God' on the dollar bill, swearing an oath on the bible, the ten commandments on a court house, baby jesus in a library, and calling Christmas Break "Christmas Break"

The government should have nothing to say about "gay marriage"

Abortion is generally wrong.

How am I a liberal?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:24 PM - 10 November, 2010
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how many shows do they have on BET that are "geared toward" white people


ALL of BET is geared toward white people.

Black people don't watch that mess.
AKIEM 9:32 PM - 10 November, 2010
I remember when they started with the laundry detergent ads and shit, and knew the deal
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:33 PM - 10 November, 2010
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I remember when they started with the laundry detergent ads and shit, and knew the deal



do black people not use laundry detergent??
AKIEM 9:35 PM - 10 November, 2010
nope, borax and baking soda
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:55 PM - 10 November, 2010
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I remember when they started with the laundry detergent ads and shit, and knew the deal



do black people not use laundry detergent??

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nope, borax and baking soda



i wander if that wa son the NYFD exam
dj_craigmac 10:02 PM - 10 November, 2010
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Here's another thought. If there was a tv station called WET (white entertainment). How fast would they be branded a rascist network?





They don't have to call it WET. They are called FOX, ABC, NBC, TNN, ect... ect.. And before you flame on me, each network mentioned has what 1 maybe 2 primetime shows geared towards or featuring people of color?



Yes but none of those is advertised FOR white people, or any race for that matter, and they each have mabye 2 shows "geared toward people of color" in primetime....an hour of prime time is pretty signifigant amount of time. how many shows do they have on BET that are "geared toward" white people

The other question is why do you have to have anything "geared toward a colored\noncolored audience




IDK... I don't watch BET. The reason to have geared toward programming is to make tv equal for its core audiences to see people that look like them and that they can relate to. On a personal note i HATE tv and could care less about therir programming. I usually spend my time doing other things. I watch the NFL and NBA that pretty much all that i REGULARLY watch. As i stated about 100 posts ago. I hate blacks ,whites ,asians,latinos and any other race except the craigmacanoids.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:10 PM - 10 November, 2010
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IDK... I don't watch BET.

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how many shows do they have on BET that are "geared toward" white people


ALL of BET is geared toward white people.

Black people don't watch that mess.


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IDK... I don't watch BET.


Told you.
DJ Dac 10:21 PM - 10 November, 2010
ok im back.... i saw this and figured it fit in here... notice there's no race attached to this, just lazy people...


A guy walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.

He marched straight up to the counter and said, "Hi.. You know...., I just HATE
drawing welfare. I'd really rather have a job."

The social worker behind the counter said, "Your timing is excellent. We just
got a job opening from a very wealthy old man who wants a Chauffeur and
bodyguard for his beautiful daughter. You'll have to drive around in his 2011
Mercedes-Benz CL, and he will supply all of your clothes.

"Because of the long hours, meals will be provided. You'll also be expected to
escort the daughter on her overseas holiday trips. This is rather awkward to
say but you will also have as part of your job assignment to satisfy her sexual
urges as the daughter is in her mid-20's and has a rather strong sex drive."

The guy, just plain wide-eyed, said, "You're bullshittin' me!"

The social worker said, "Yeah, well ... You started it."
DJ Sniffles 10:55 PM - 10 November, 2010
Nice!
sixxx 11:56 PM - 10 November, 2010
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ok im back.... i saw this and figured it fit in here... notice there's no race attached to this, just lazy people...


A guy walked into the local welfare office to pick up his check.

He marched straight up to the counter and said, "Hi.. You know...., I just HATE
drawing welfare. I'd really rather have a job."

The social worker behind the counter said, "Your timing is excellent. We just
got a job opening from a very wealthy old man who wants a Chauffeur and
bodyguard for his beautiful daughter. You'll have to drive around in his 2011
Mercedes-Benz CL, and he will supply all of your clothes.

"Because of the long hours, meals will be provided. You'll also be expected to
escort the daughter on her overseas holiday trips. This is rather awkward to
say but you will also have as part of your job assignment to satisfy her sexual
urges as the daughter is in her mid-20's and has a rather strong sex drive."

The guy, just plain wide-eyed, said, "You're bullshittin' me!"

The social worker said, "Yeah, well ... You started it."



hahahahaha!!!
Free Man 12:44 AM - 11 November, 2010
Akiem...

fyi... yes i'm white... before anyone starts making comments pointing at me and anything that leans toward me thinking a certain way (call it judgmental, racist, prejudice...) i just want you to consider this...

my wife is not white. so before you pame any finger pointing comments remember that.
sixxx 1:55 AM - 11 November, 2010
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Akiem...

fyi... yes i'm white... before anyone starts making comments pointing at me and anything that leans toward me thinking a certain way (call it judgmental, racist, prejudice...) i just want you to consider this...

my wife is not a woman. so before you pame any finger pointing comments remember that.


Okay. Now that you cleared that up. Let's see where this argument goes. lol
djskiggz 2:42 AM - 11 November, 2010
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i thought i would chime in just to help you guys reach the 1,000 mark. NOBAMA? ---yeah he sucks. Hope and change my ass.



SKIGGZ, where ya been man


Dude havn't you seen me at the tea parties? Where have you beeN!!!!!!
djskiggz 2:47 AM - 11 November, 2010
Seriously though, everyone has to admit- Obama was not what you expected if you had voted for him. We all know he can't fix everything in 2 years but still, he sucks as a president. Granted, McCain probably wouldn't have done much better. But at least we wouldn't have added trillions of useless debt.
stevie o 2:52 AM - 11 November, 2010
Ahh the sound of a honest open minded person is music to my ears.
djskiggz 3:06 AM - 11 November, 2010
Ha....what up stevie-o. You ready to get this show on the road? I'm going to need help fighting off some of these liberals...Last time you started a thread like this, I was left alone to fend for myself. FUCK THAT!!!!!!! hahahaha
dj_craigmac 3:23 AM - 11 November, 2010
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Ahh the sound of a honest open minded person is music to my ears.





open minded??? "come on son" (in my ed lover voice)
What you really mean is some one who agrees with you and your views.
Just because someone is a liberal doesn't mean that they are dishonest and closed minded. lol
djskiggz 3:42 AM - 11 November, 2010
I actually agree with you craigmac, Liberals are often so open minded that they escape from reality.
dj_craigmac 4:15 AM - 11 November, 2010
I think its about time for me to make a serious statement. I am the ULTRA-LIBERAL. I'm dissappointed that our government does not lean farther to the left. Obama needs to quit with all of his CENTRIST B S. trying to please conservatives who would not support any of his policies even if they secretly agreed with his policy. Obama missed a golden opportunity to push his agenda when the dems had total control of the house and senate. He shoulda said fuck u conservatives I'm gonna wreck shop on u bitches and do this shit my way whether yall like it or not. So STFU and take all of your whining to FOX, HANNITY, LIMBAUGH, oreilly or anybody that wants to hear that shit. I've got a country to run right wrong or indifferent.
I look at conservatives kinda strange now mainly because they keep parading annoying ass sarah palin around like she's the prom queen or something. And the TEABAGGERS (OOPPPS MY BAD TEAPARTY)??? Seriously??? Why would anybody in their civilized right mind associate themselves with those ultra conservative maniacs. Now that the whole racism debate on this thread is over lets get back on track with the politics.
DJ Sniffles 4:46 AM - 11 November, 2010
The Tea Party started as something this country needed. Ron Paul kick started that. Unfortunately that idiot Glenn Beck took off with it and now it's just am extension of the Right.

Poor Ron...
djskiggz 6:10 AM - 11 November, 2010
Ron Paul 2012. Ron speaks the truth. Plain and simple
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:47 AM - 11 November, 2010
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Granted, McCain probably wouldn't have done much better. But at least we wouldn't have added trillions of useless debt.


How do you guys know this?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:50 AM - 11 November, 2010
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Obama missed a golden opportunity to push his agenda when the dems had total control of the house and senate. He shoulda said fuck u conservatives I'm gonna wreck shop on u bitches and do this shit my way whether yall like it or not. So STFU and take all of your whining to FOX, HANNITY, LIMBAUGH, oreilly or anybody that wants to hear that shit. I've got a country to run right wrong or indifferent.


Now I agree 1000% with this. He shoulda just made decisions, wrecked shop, and kept it movin...

He could have done all the magazine covers and TV shows during his LAST 2 years...(i.e. now)....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:51 AM - 11 November, 2010
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Ron Paul 2012. Ron speaks the truth. Plain and simple


Who?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:51 AM - 11 November, 2010
I keep thinkin' you guys are saying RuPaul.
AKIEM 11:48 AM - 11 November, 2010
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Seriously though, everyone has to admit- Obama was not what you expected if you had voted for him. We all know he can't fix everything in 2 years but still, he sucks as a president. Granted, McCain probably wouldn't have done much better. But at least we wouldn't have added trillions of useless debt.


I voted for him. I expected to be unhappy with what he does. As a president, he is not any worse then the others, especially Bush who was a terrible president.

We dont know what McCain was going to do - what president has ever kept campaign promises?

I would have expected McCain to do what Bush was doing which is not to far from what Obama is doing (except for some domestic shit like the healthcare bill)

I really have no idea why people would expect McCain not to be increasing the debt the way Obama is. Bush DOUBLED the national debt. Bush started with the billions in bailouts. Bush started nationalising the banks like he was getting advice from Castro..
AKIEM 11:50 AM - 11 November, 2010
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Akiem...

fyi... yes i'm white... before anyone starts making comments pointing at me and anything that leans toward me thinking a certain way (call it judgmental, racist, prejudice...) i just want you to consider this...

my wife is not white. so before you pame any finger pointing comments remember that.


I dont know why you think I fucking care
AKIEM 11:54 AM - 11 November, 2010
Quote:

I saw a statistic about a town that was interesting. 54% of the people that were in jail were black. People in the town got mad and used this to sue the police department claiming that the police were racist.

In defence, the police department brought a Census report that showed that 55% of the town's population were black...

Moral of the story... People arent as racist as you may think...

Switch gears real quick... change the 54% of people to white. Do you think they would have sued the police department saying they were prejudice? Just a thought...


how about this thought - what would you think if the town was actually only 3% Black?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:30 PM - 11 November, 2010
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my wife is not white. so before you pame any finger pointing comments remember that.


Is she BLACK?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:14 PM - 11 November, 2010
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You don't have BET either?



I don't. My wife and I boycott that channel. If I want to see black people behaving badly, without logic or reason, I'll just watch my kids; at least they have an excuse.


Told y'all...
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:48 PM - 11 November, 2010
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Seriously though, everyone has to admit- Obama was not what you expected if you had voted for him.


hes acutually EXACTLY what i expected
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:54 PM - 11 November, 2010
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I saw a statistic about a town that was interesting. 54% of the people that were in jail were black. People in the town got mad and used this to sue the police department claiming that the police were racist.

In defence, the police department brought a Census report that showed that 55% of the town's population were black...

Moral of the story... People arent as racist as you may think...

Switch gears real quick... change the 54% of people to white. Do you think they would have sued the police department saying they were prejudice? Just a thought...


how about this thought - what would you think if the town was actually only 3% Black?



Id move there and be the illest DJ in town
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:57 PM - 11 November, 2010
This thread really makes me sad, all this animosity towards each other, white or black it dosent matter ITS 2010 PEOPLE cant we all get along and hate muslims like FOX news tells us to do
DJ Sniffles 4:08 PM - 11 November, 2010
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I saw a statistic about a town that was interesting. 54% of the people that were in jail were black. People in the town got mad and used this to sue the police department claiming that the police were racist.

In defence, the police department brought a Census report that showed that 55% of the town's population were black...

Moral of the story... People arent as racist as you may think...

Switch gears real quick... change the 54% of people to white. Do you think they would have sued the police department saying they were prejudice? Just a thought...


how about this thought - what would you think if the town was actually only 3% Black?


Job well done?
Free Man 6:27 PM - 11 November, 2010
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Akiem...

fyi... yes i'm white... before anyone starts making comments pointing at me and anything that leans toward me thinking a certain way (call it judgmental, racist, prejudice...) i just want you to consider this...

my wife is not a woman. so before you pame any finger pointing comments remember that.


Okay. Now that you cleared that up. Let's see where this argument goes. lol



Fuck you...
Free Man 6:30 PM - 11 November, 2010
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my wife is not white. so before you pame any finger pointing comments remember that.


Is she BLACK?


no comment... she's a minority... And I've heard plenty of comments that have pissed me off (not here).
Free Man 6:32 PM - 11 November, 2010
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This thread really makes me sad, all this animosity towards each other, white or black it dosent matter ITS 2010 PEOPLE cant we all get along and hate muslims like FOX news tells us to do


Can't we all just get along?

Seriously... I think part of it is that people feel that they are intitled for something because of the color of their skin.

Even people who have very wealthy parents aren't intitled... just look at people that get the shaft when the parents will says "you dont get shit"
djskiggz 7:06 PM - 11 November, 2010
There is a double standard. Think about this.

We have BET
Black entertainment tv

Imagine the outcry if there was a WET?
White entertainment TV

You can come up with example after example.

Yeah whites were fucked up back in the day, but fuckn get over it now- it didn't happen to you so STFU. haha
DJ Dac 8:16 PM - 11 November, 2010
heres nice interracial couple... funny shit... Watchwww.youtube.com
someone needs to had some humor to this forum...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:22 PM - 11 November, 2010
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my wife is not white. so before you pame any finger pointing comments remember that.


Is she BLACK?


no comment... she's a minority... And I've heard plenty of comments that have pissed me off (not here).


Ha ha, if she's not BLACK then your point is moot...

Nice try though...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:25 PM - 11 November, 2010
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There is a double standard. Think about this.

We have BET
Black entertainment tv

Imagine the outcry if there was a WET?
White entertainment TV[/quote[

I told you, I'd watch those snowbunnies and pank toes all day! lol.

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Yeah whites were fucked up back in the day, but fuckn get over it now- it didn't happen to you so STFU. haha


You musta missed where my SUPERVISOR OFFICIALLY tried to do that sh*t to me...

It is NOT back in the day...

Like I said, I had to set a FEW of you right on this HURR BOARD...

It is what it is...
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:33 PM - 11 November, 2010
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my wife is not white. so before you pame any finger pointing comments remember that.


Is she BLACK?


no comment... she's a minority... And I've heard plenty of comments that have pissed me off (not here).


Ha ha, if she's not BLACK then your point is moot...

Nice try though...



How so, at what point did black people corner the market on minorities?? Do you think that white people discriminate against blacks but open, asians, chineese, mexican, middle eastern, ect ect people in with open arms??
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:35 PM - 11 November, 2010
White MALES can marry just about ANY OTHER MINORITY without getting looked at twice.

When they marry BLACK WOMEN, there's a new dynamic.

And BTW, that same dynamic is NOT the same for Black MEN who marry WHITE women.
Free Man 8:47 PM - 11 November, 2010
Just so everyone knows... Black people are the only people who are discriminated against..
sixxx 8:52 PM - 11 November, 2010
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Akiem...

fyi... yes i'm white... before anyone starts making comments pointing at me and anything that leans toward me thinking a certain way (call it judgmental, racist, prejudice...) i just want you to consider this...

my wife is not a woman. so before you pame any finger pointing comments remember that.


Okay. Now that you cleared that up. Let's see where this argument goes. lol



Fuck you...


You want to fuck me, a guy? So. I was right that she isnt a woman. lol
sixxx 8:53 PM - 11 November, 2010
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I keep thinkin' you guys are saying RuPaul.


Honestly, I thought the same thing when I've seen that many moons ago. lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:56 PM - 11 November, 2010
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Just so everyone knows... Black people are the only people who are discriminated against..

That's not true.

But we were the MOST discriminated AGAINST....
Free Man 9:02 PM - 11 November, 2010
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Just so everyone knows... Black people are the only people who are discriminated against..

That's not true.

But we were the MOST discriminated AGAINST....


According to you? And that most likely depends on where you live. I went to Montana once and brought my friend (who is black) I wouldnt say anyone treated him bad at all. But you could see that they didn't see black people very often.

I'm sure they would have acted the exact same if he was Mexican, or Asian too

(No brokeback mountain... that's specifically for Sixxx)
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:12 PM - 11 November, 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:33 PM - 11 November, 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:34 PM - 11 November, 2010
^ that ones for banana peter lol
DJ Dac 9:46 PM - 11 November, 2010
stevie o 10:48 PM - 11 November, 2010
offensive
AKIEM 1:13 AM - 12 November, 2010
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There is a double standard. Think about this.

We have BET
Black entertainment tv

Imagine the outcry if there was a WET?
White entertainment TV

You can come up with example after example.


There is not a double standard because there is not an equality. Black people make up a so called 'minority'. A double standard would be different rules for equal populations.

Why is there a need for 'white entertainment tv' when the majority of tv is already 'white entertainment tv'?

And probably there would be an outcry - for "example" we do have the outcry against BET - so I would imagine similar outcry against WET.

Lart, there is no law against WET - there is just no market for it.

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Yeah whites were fucked up back in the day, but fuckn get over it now- it didn't happen to you so STFU. haha


Actually it still happens to ME, so you STFU :)


Not only is racism still in effect, but the wealth that was stolen is still stolen. And some of the people it was stolen from ARE STILL ALIVE TODAY. And the EFFECTS of what was done in the past are still with us today.

I was sure we covered all this.



(SMH cant even discuss the president without race being the only topic - wonder why)
djskiggz 1:35 AM - 12 November, 2010
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There is a double standard. Think about this.

We have BET
Black entertainment tv

Imagine the outcry if there was a WET?
White entertainment TV

You can come up with example after example.


There is not a double standard because there is not an equality. Black people make up a so called 'minority'. A double standard would be different rules for equal populations.

Why is there a need for 'white entertainment tv' when the majority of tv is already 'white entertainment tv'?

And probably there would be an outcry - for "example" we do have the outcry against BET - so I would imagine similar outcry against WET.

Lart, there is no law against WET - there is just no market for it.


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Yeah whites were fucked up back in the day, but fuckn get over it now- it didn't happen to you so STFU. haha


Actually it still happens to ME, so you STFU :)


Not only is racism still in effect, but the wealth that was stolen is still stolen. And some of the people it was stolen from ARE STILL ALIVE TODAY. And the EFFECTS of what was done in the past are still with us today.

I was sure we covered all this.



(SMH cant even discuss the president without race being the only topic - wonder why)

By happening to you I mean, slavery, hanging, being restricted from places because you are black, sitting in the back of the bus, etc etc. But scratch that, i'm curious what happened to you that you think was racist?

You can't discuss the president without race comming up because it's always black people who start saying "Well you don't like him because he's black". I rarely hear anyone who is white, mexican, asian, indian, - whatever they may be, ever discuss not liking him because of his ethnicity. He's not even black anyway he's arabic kenyan and white so who gives a damn about what color he is. To even call him the first african american president is sort of a lie. But in any event, it doesn't matter to me.

And black people are only in the minority because they need to start fucking some more races. hahaha.
Free Man 1:46 AM - 12 November, 2010
I think that Black people look at as a whole too often... Looking at the united states y