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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:19 PM - 11 August, 2010
I'm going to hell, what about you?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:20 PM - 11 August, 2010
Like I mentioned in a previous thread, I've asked for forgiveness, but keep doing the same old thing...

I figure I'll wait until I'm wheelchair bound, and 100 years old, and ask for Forgiveness then.
Boba Tha Hut 6:28 PM - 11 August, 2010
Hope you don't croak at 99 years old. lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:37 PM - 11 August, 2010
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Hope you don't croak at 99 years old. lol


That WOULD be messed up, wouldn't it?

I wonder if there's a special place for us that haven't COMPLETELY given up the secular life, but haven't fully committed to walking the straight and narrow....
SteadFast 6:53 PM - 11 August, 2010
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Like I mentioned in a previous thread, I've asked for forgiveness, but keep doing the same old thing...

I figure I'll wait until I'm wheelchair bound, and 100 years old, and ask for Forgiveness then.


If you really want true repentance pray for it, ask for the wisdom of obedience. God gives freely without finding fault (James 1:5).
Do you remember the parable Jesus told in Luke 18 of the unjust judge and the widow. The judge didn't care about anyone and didn't fear God, but because the lady was so persistent in what she wanted the judge gave it to her so she would stop bothering him. Then Jesus goes on to say how much more will God be willing to give and how quick..
RogerRabbit 6:55 PM - 11 August, 2010
I don't plan on going to he'll but you never know..
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:55 PM - 11 August, 2010
Cool words. It's hard to believe that hewould give freely without finding fault.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:56 PM - 11 August, 2010
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I don't plan on going to he'll but you never know..


That's what bugs me out. Like I understand there is a certain path to follow, but it's mad easy to get off it, and wonder if you really would spend ETERNITY in hell.
SteadFast 7:01 PM - 11 August, 2010
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Cool words. It's hard to believe that hewould give freely without finding fault.

I'm still trippin that he sent his son to pay my debt.. I can't imagine someone doing me wrong, and then giving them a gift after. I guess thats just that true love i'll never really fully comprehend.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:11 PM - 11 August, 2010
I'm just hoping that this all isn't a bunch of bull. I went to church as a kid as my parents went and so on and so forth. I'm not really religious, but live moreso by what's "Right and Wrong".

One time I did something REALLY BAD, and went to church and all that, but soon fell out because to me, THAT particular church was about "Other" stuff, like giving plugs to Car Dealerships that the pastor was friendly with, and junk like that.

They say that people who are UNAWARE of certain things may be "Forgiven", but those who are exposed and KNOW what they're supposed to do, but DON'T do it, will catch it.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:28 PM - 11 August, 2010
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That's what bugs me out. Like I understand there is a certain path to follow, but it's mad easy to get off it, and wonder if you really would spend ETERNITY in hell.


Why would that bug you, the idea a gracious kind all forgiving loving caring god who loves you for who you are and sent his only son to die for you so you could go to heaven would create a firy pit to forever torment you with if you do anything wrong in life....wrongs that include things like eating meat on a friday. It all sounds legit right, dont know what would bother you about that.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:29 PM - 11 August, 2010
The problem is that I might actually have to spend ETERNITY in HELL with YOU.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:30 PM - 11 August, 2010
Now the thought of that makes me want to go to Church right now....
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:31 PM - 11 August, 2010
My religion prevents that possibility
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:32 PM - 11 August, 2010
WHEW!
SteadFast 7:57 PM - 11 August, 2010
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That's what bugs me out. Like I understand there is a certain path to follow, but it's mad easy to get off it, and wonder if you really would spend ETERNITY in hell.


Why would that bug you, the idea a gracious kind all forgiving loving caring god who loves you for who you are and sent his only son to die for you so you could go to heaven would create a firy pit to forever torment you with if you do anything wrong in life....wrongs that include things like eating meat on a friday. It all sounds legit right, dont know what would bother you about that.


You almost have the concept.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:00 PM - 11 August, 2010
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You almost have the concept.


He's being sarcastic, but you'll see...
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:11 PM - 11 August, 2010
lol the fact that me being sarcastic provides almost the actual concept says alot lol, praise be to the FSM
Polanka 8:15 PM - 11 August, 2010
Its never to late to change the way you have been living. God makes great things out of the most awful people and situations. Its not easy to change old habits but with an open heart God will transform you from the inside out. Jesus is watching us every minute of the day hoping we invite him into our hearts, waiting to make your life better. The only problem is that he will force his way, you have to reach out to him. Its no fun just reading the word, put his word into action by being a light in the darkness. I know its so hard staying on the right path because we live in a fallen world. there is hope in him who cared and loved us first.
Polanka 8:20 PM - 11 August, 2010
He will not force his way.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:29 PM - 11 August, 2010
35With Him, All Things are Pasta-Bowl. 36FSM answered, It is written:’Man does not live on bread alone, but on every pasta that comes from the mouth of me. 37Cook pasta for others, as you would have them cook pasta for you. 38As a child I slurped noodles as a child, dribbled sauce as a child, and threw meatballs as a child. Now I see through the sauce darkly, and speak with the tongues of pirates, and all is sound and blurry if I have not love. 39Faith, hope, and noodles; and of these, the greatest is noodles.

40It is easier for a meatball to pass through the eye of a tornado than for a confused man to enter the Kingdom of Pasta. 41Punish not those but for a noodle for a noodle, a meatball for a meatball. 42Strive for the stars, for nothing is impastable. 43Pray for the things you want, but work for the pasta you need. 44Thou shall continue on the path of the great noodly one, through both thick marina sauce and thin marinara sauce.

45Those who ask for seconds will be provided, those with no appetite for the lord shall feel His hunger. 46Those who eat pasta shall inherit the earth. 47Let he who is without seasoning, cast the first pinch of basil. 48Noodle unto others as you would have them noodle unto you.
CMOS 8:42 PM - 11 August, 2010
Im going to hell on the express bus wearing gasoline draws.

Actually im going in the ground for eternity like the rest of you. There is no heaven, there is no hell, religion was created to control a primitive people. Those arent commandments they are laws.

Ill prob get flamed for this but fuck it, i got the knuckle scars, i paid my dues.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:42 PM - 11 August, 2010
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Its never to late to change the way you have been living. God makes great things out of the most awful people and situations. Its not easy to change old habits but with an open heart God will transform you from the inside out. Jesus is watching us every minute of the day hoping we invite him into our hearts, waiting to make your life better. The only problem is that he will force his way, you have to reach out to him. Its no fun just reading the word, put his word into action by being a light in the darkness. I know its so hard staying on the right path because we live in a fallen world. there is hope in him who cared and loved us first.


Do you ever feel funny about spreading "His Word"? I know it's kiddish and all, but do your peers "listen" to you, or just kinda say "Hey, that's Polanka"...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:42 PM - 11 August, 2010
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Im going to hell on the express bus wearing gasoline draws.

Actually im going in the ground for eternity like the rest of you. There is no heaven, there is no hell, religion was created to control a primitive people. Those arent commandments they are laws.

Ill prob get flamed for this but fuck it, i got the knuckle scars, i paid my dues.


Why do you feel that there is no heaven and no hell?
CMOS 8:44 PM - 11 August, 2010
The same reason i feel the earth wasnt created 4-5000 years ago.

Science has debunked half the teachings in that book, how can i believe the rest?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:46 PM - 11 August, 2010
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The same reason i feel the earth wasnt created 4-5000 years ago.

Science has debunked half the teachings in that book, how can i believe the rest?


Ok, so you're a Science buff, which is a reasonable argument.

Is Religion a thing that you think is MADE UP, so people will have something to "Live" for?

I mean, if everybody knew for a fact that there was NO Afterlife, wouldn't the world get chaotic?
CMOS 8:49 PM - 11 August, 2010
Yes i do, i think back in the day as humans were starting to ask questions that had no answers (meaning of life, why are we here, what happens when we die) religion was created to answer these questions.

If told by a Supreme Being, no one would question the though of going to a place in the sky that cant be seen or found, where everyone you love is waiting for you.

Also if you look at the commandments, half of them are laws, dont kill dont steal, dont cheat, dont envy. The other half are threats of leaving the church, dont worship others, dont create idols.

gotta go phone....
Voyager529 8:50 PM - 11 August, 2010
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That's what bugs me out. Like I understand there is a certain path to follow, but it's mad easy to get off it, and wonder if you really would spend ETERNITY in hell.


Why would that bug you, the idea a gracious kind all forgiving loving caring god who loves you for who you are and sent his only son to die for you so you could go to heaven would create a firy pit to forever torment you with if you do anything wrong in life....wrongs that include things like eating meat on a friday. It all sounds legit right, dont know what would bother you about that.


The best way I've heard it described is this: "We all deserve to go to hell. Some accept the pardon".

God demands perfection. None of us are perfect. Thus, we'd all spend eternity apart from God in a state of eternal suffering, because of a debt we all owe and could never repay. That's the very reason why Jesus' sacrifice is significant - He paid the debt we cannot. This is what separates Christianity from the rest of the world religions. It's not a works-based situation where you either have to do X good deeds or not do Y bad deeds. Our salvation isn't earned, it's freely given by God to us.

Now, just for the record, I'm not hear to preach to anyone. I'm just looking to explain and discuss my viewpoint with those here that both agree with it and disagree. To attempt to coerce anyone to share my beliefs is contrary to the example Jesus set. To impose upon one's free will is at variance with the very foundation of the Bible.

Joey
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:51 PM - 11 August, 2010
Hmmmm....intrusting....

I personally NEED there to be an AfterLife, because I've got too much stuff to do, and not enough time to do it...

So I figure, I'll finish it up there, or get re-incarnated.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:53 PM - 11 August, 2010
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To attempt to coerce anyone to share my beliefs is contrary to the example Jesus set. To impose upon one's free will is at variance with the very foundation of the Bible.

Joey


Ok, I was rockin' with you until you said that part. I thought we were supposed to "Spread the word" and all that?
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:55 PM - 11 August, 2010
my religion even has rules of forum Etiquette


First Letter From Edd to the Forum Members


1 One day a man entered a strip joint and sat at a back table. 2 Verily, he did order his minimum of drinks, which numbered two. 3 He sat, expressionless, staring at the strippers, without tipping, without beckoning them over. 4 And, yea, did the strippers avoid him and call him ‘creepy.’

5 All night, the creepy patron did sit and stare. 6 The strippers whispered amongst themselves about the body parts he most likely concealeth in a freezer.

7 But, lo, one stripper did become intoxicated and became much too physical with all the customers. 8 Her coworkers did liken her unto a prostitute and were embarrassed on her behalf. 9 She danced provocatively, yet clumsily, eliciting not tips but pity.

10 Behold, On this day I issue a challenge to unrepentant lurkers: 11 Be not like the creepy patron, staring without participating. 12 Lurk until you have become familiar with these forums, then participate. 13 But do not become like the drunken stripper; remember to post with civility, consideration of others, and make a sincere attempt to verify your contribution is intelligible and interesting and not repetitive.

14 Respect the seriousness of the serious threads and the silliness of the humorous threads, for is not The Flying Spaghetti Monster composed of many noodly appendages, each as omniscient and omnipotent as the next? 15 So it is with the forums.

16 May The FSM guide your hands over your keyboard while protecting it from beverages.

RAmen
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:58 PM - 11 August, 2010
An Announcement Regarding the Afterlife



*As transcribed by Solipsy and Auntie Dee Dee




A Note from the Second Council of Olive Garden: This was formerly the First Announcement Regarding Canonical Belief, but we moved it here to the Epastals section as it is a more appropriate genre.

1 An ancient and venerable sage spoke unto the Pastaists of all the divisions, unto the Noodleists, and unto the Maranarists, the Fettucinians, the Pastafarians, and all of the great Pasta-based members of the Holy and Delicious Faith, and said:

2 It is my contention that a loving God of any kind would not Damn someone to Hell.

3 Darning them to Heck would be a problem for a supposedly intelligent creator.

4 Lakes of fire, boiling waters, sauces, etc, aren’t a good choice.

5 If you want to attract “justified” persons, portray just rewards and punishments. 6 If you want to attract lunatics and sadists, portray violent punishments.

7 There will be a kind of HellLight, where unbelievers have to live with school cafeteria spaghetti, second rate beer, and boring jobs in the service industries where the Heavenbound FSMists will be living. 8 There will be no privation, no physical torture, no burning or boiling in various liquids. 9 These aren’t bad people, these are people that followed the culture and customs of their times and did not recognize the difference between a culture and a faith.

10 Actual FSM Hell is reserved for a very few, and those will be divided from the Pasta, the finest beverages and the fellowship of persons of good will and kind intent. 11 They will do all the laundry, cleaning and heavy or unpleasant jobs that are there. 12 Never will they eat of the Pasta of any kind, but will live on lots of beans and rice, potatoes and extremely cheap cuts of meat, and the type of diet that the American urban poor can afford, or that Senior Citizens and disabled persons on Social Security are reduced to. 13 They get the really icky dirty work. 14 They deserve it. 15 The bullies of the geopolitical world will be there, and their helpers. 16 The false religious leaders, who plead for funds through electronic media, and give nothing of their true selves, and hoard the money and live in opulence, they will be there. 17 Many others of ill-intent will be with them.

18 There is a reservation there for the tricksters, the con-men, the Abramoff et al/Delay contingent, who will begin every work day by licking clean the footwear of every Native American person there, even in Hell Light. 19 Also there will be the promulgators of the horrible practices against the indigenous people of every country ever “modernized” by Western Civilization. 20 They lick boots as well. 21 And when they’re through they get to do all the stuff that nobody in the Hell above them want to do.

22 Not a real burning-in type hell, no boiling lakes of fire, just an appropriate ‘reward’. 23 No more lunatics and sadists, please. 24 The current administration’s quite enough.

25 Other people have other ideas, but then again other people are promoting Holy War, too. 26 Don’t do that in the name of our FSM. 27 That’s not the Way to Do Things Right.
Polanka 8:58 PM - 11 August, 2010
Our free will is a great gift from God. W
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Its never to late to change the way you have been living. God makes great things out of the most awful people and situations. Its not easy to change old habits but with an open heart God will transform you from the inside out. Jesus is watching us every minute of the day hoping we invite him into our hearts, waiting to make your life better. The only problem is that he will force his way, you have to reach out to him. Its no fun just reading the word, put his word into action by being a light in the darkness. I know its so hard staying on the right path because we live in a fallen world. there is hope in him who cared and loved us first.


Do you ever feel funny about spreading "His Word"? I know it's kiddish and all, but do your peers "listen" to you, or just kinda say "Hey, that's Polanka"...


I always feel funny and weird about spreading our Lords word because the devil always tries to bring me down with all my insecurities for following Christ. There is a spiritual war going on right now and the devil is alive and looking to destroy our lives. I have all my arms filled with tattoos and my friends would never guess that I am a Christ follower and that makes me very effective because I can relate with them and they do listen when I share what God has done in my life. I also felt that I wasn't worthy of forgiveness but I know now that Jesus paid for my sins and he as given me the opportunity to speak with God directly.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:06 PM - 11 August, 2010
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I always feel funny and weird about spreading our Lords word because the devil always tries to bring me down with all my insecurities for following Christ.


Those "Insecurities" could be likened to Scientific challenges, THAT MAY HAVE A POINT, so that makes your job of telling "The Story" that much more difficult, right?


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There is a spiritual war going on right now and the devil is alive and looking to destroy our lives. I have all my arms filled with tattoos and my friends would never guess that I am a Christ follower and that makes me very effective because I can relate with them and they do listen when I share what God has done in my life.


Good point. I always wonder if certain hardrocks, or people you would LEAST expect would actually be PROPONENTS of Religion. And I'm not talking about these "Thugs turned Christian Rappers, who are trying to make a buck. But again, how do I know what their REAL intentions are?

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I also felt that I wasn't worthy of forgiveness but I know now that Jesus paid for my sins and he as given me the opportunity to speak with God directly.


What makes you think you were actually "forgiven?"
Polanka 9:08 PM - 11 August, 2010
Watchwww.youtube.com

Check this out. Do you think this was created by someone with intelligence or it just happened by a big bang?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:08 PM - 11 August, 2010
god made everything in creation including man the heavens and the earth, but he also needs 10% of your income, apparently hes just not that inancially sound
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:16 PM - 11 August, 2010
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Watchwww.youtube.com Watchwww.youtube.com

Check this out. Do you think this was created by someone with intelligence or it just happened by a big bang?


You'd want to say "someone with intelligence", but some scientific theories keep hanging on.
Polanka 9:48 PM - 11 August, 2010
Its crazy cause the deeper science looks the more design they find. When the theory of evolution came about, scientist could not see the contents of what is inside a DNA molecule.
RogerRabbit 9:55 PM - 11 August, 2010
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I'm just hoping that this all isn't a bunch of bull. I went to church as a kid as my parents went and so on and so forth. I'm not really religious, but live moreso by what's "Right and Wrong".

One time I did something REALLY BAD, and went to church and all that, but soon fell out because to me, THAT particular church was about "Other" stuff, like giving plugs to Car Dealerships that the pastor was friendly with, and junk like that.

They say that people who are UNAWARE of certain things may be "Forgiven", but those who are exposed and KNOW what they're supposed to do, but DON'T do it, will catch it.


I am would say I am religious, or have a religious upbringing but wouldn't classify myself as christian - since I don't follow all the Ten commandments and abide by everything as I should.. It's a hard and rigorous path that is easy to all off...
But - I want my kids to have the same awareness that was taught by Grandma and Mums, so I guess I need to get back with the program for my kids sake...more than anything else..
CMOS 11:39 PM - 11 August, 2010
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Now, just for the record, I'm not hear to preach to anyone. I'm just looking to explain and discuss my viewpoint with those here that both agree with it and disagree. To attempt to coerce anyone to share my beliefs is contrary to the example Jesus set. To impose upon one's free will is at variance with the very foundation of the Bible.


I wish more people thought like this. I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic high school in brooklyn. Got my communion, then confirmation. But once i got a bit older i just realized it wasnt for me.

I have no problem with the people who believe in this. Its just not for me.

I wont say the world would be a better place without religion, but ill say if more people thought like this guy, we'd all be better off.
CMOS 11:44 PM - 11 August, 2010
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Hmmmm....intrusting....

I personally NEED there to be an AfterLife, because I've got too much stuff to do, and not enough time to do it...

So I figure, I'll finish it up there, or get re-incarnated.


To me, thats what life is about. Getting it in before you go. There are no second chances and this shit is short. Thats part of the reason i started DJing at age 30 lol.

Get it in.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:08 AM - 12 August, 2010
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Its crazy cause the deeper science looks the more design they find. When the theory of evolution came about, scientist could not see the contents of what is inside a DNA molecule.


My thing is, if there is a higher being, then why "Evolution" in the first place? Why did we have to "Evolve" to get to this point?

Science has the upper hand there.
DJ Josh V 12:10 AM - 12 August, 2010
I'll just observe this thread and and not make any comments. To one person or another, I know I'll be wrong.That's how it is for all of us. So as far as religion goes, I have some very strong beliefs and well as questions.One thing for sure, we will all learn the truth (or not) when we die and from the day we are born, we are all dying.This is one reason I never had or wanted my own biological kids as to not curse them with this fact. That's a guilt I wouldn't want to live with.I'm not wrong or right, this is just how I feel.
FunkyRob 12:31 AM - 12 August, 2010
I'm supposed to be Catholic. I have my doubts on this whole god thing.

It honestly seems to me that Religion has always been a way of controlling people and scaring the "bejesus" out of them into behaving right.

To me, it seems that the Bible is filled with fairytales. There may have in fact a person roaming the earth named Jesus about 2010 years ago. Son of god though? Doesn't seem likely to me.

Virgins don't get pregnant without having intercourse. From what I understand though, back then the term "virgin" may have simply meant young woman not someone who hadn't had sex yet. So I think the story's gotten a bit twisted over a couple thousand years.

Also as someone who is "supposed" to be Catholic, I cannot supports or at one time supported the molesting young children. I think that forcing a man to "reject the flesh" or whatever they call it can really cause mental issues. If I was forced to not enjoy sex with a woman, who knows how messed up I would be. Look what happens in prisons, I've seen American Me. They start fucking whatever they can find.
FunkyRob 12:33 AM - 12 August, 2010
I think I miss a couple words in that last paragraph
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:51 AM - 12 August, 2010
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I am would say I am religious, or have a religious upbringing but wouldn't classify myself as christian - since I don't follow all the Ten commandments and abide by everything as I should.. It's a hard and rigorous path that is easy to all off...
But - I want my kids to have the same awareness that was taught by Grandma and Mums, so I guess I need to get back with the program for my kids sake...more than anything else..


Same with me and the kids. The wife brings them to church, AND I SHOULD STEP UP, because the Man of the house is supposed to lead, especially when it comes to religion, but I just don't push myself. I would say I'm a Christian, but I doubt if MANY people can really follow the 10 Commandments the way they're REALLY supposed to be followed.

My daughter sometimes asks me why I don't go, and I always come up with some lame excuse.
d:raf 12:56 AM - 12 August, 2010
I think religion has more to do with people than it has to do with God. If you compare each of the major religions and strip away all the cultural/regional embellishments, the core values are very much alike; those are the parts I pay attention to.

Some of my friends argue that God & people (or more specifically, their collective consciousness) are one and the same. I think it's an interesting theory that has some merit. Ultimately, I'm convinced that none of us -really- know what's going on; we only know what others have told us.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:48 AM - 12 August, 2010
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To me, thats what life is about. Getting it in before you go. There are no second chances and this shit is short. Thats part of the reason i started DJing at age 30 lol.

Get it in.


So do you think there is NO Afterlife?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:51 AM - 12 August, 2010
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Ultimately, I'm convinced that none of us -really- know what's going on; we only know what others have told us.


Well, if you think about it, who can confirm what happens when someone dies?

If we had PROOF of what happens after a person dies, then that would be a different story.
d:raf 6:10 AM - 12 August, 2010
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Well, if you think about it, who can confirm what happens when someone dies?

If we had PROOF of what happens after a person dies, then that would be a different story.


Agreed. One of the core beliefs, however, is that whatever does happen after this life will be affected, either positively or negatively, by the choices one has made and the actions they've taken. I'll buy that.
DJ Josh V 10:48 AM - 12 August, 2010
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Agreed. One of the core beliefs, however, is that whatever does happen after this life will be affected, either positively or negatively, by the choices one has made and the actions they've taken. I'll buy that.


That's if anything happens at all.

Damn, I said I would say anything but I can't help it.We'll some may label me as Agnostic but I chose not to label myself and basically open and neutral to it all.

Ill share some random thoughts that I've ad go through my mind at times.There more like questions:

1)I've often heard that if you do make it to Heaven when you die (assuming there's one) you will no longer feel pain or suffer. Feel no more sadness or depression.Basically anything negative.
Heres my problem with that. Im not gonna BS and say Im thankful for it but a lot of the bad things I've been through in my life have made me the stronger person I am now.Growing up struggling.Losing loved ones and broken hearts.Going through all this has helped made me respect a lot more things in life and try to be a better person. I think a lot of poeple feel the same way about themselves.
My question is, if you go to Heaven and no longer feel these negative things and forget you've been through them, then basically, you wouldn't actually be yourself because it is those hard things that made you who you are So what would be the point.How is it supposed to work out?


2)Another thing I think about (and not to get all cheesy). When I think about music and how I feel wen I create it and play my keyboard or even when I've DJ'd and played certain songs.The high you get from it. I think about the love for my Family and friends what I'd do for them and how I'd feel to loose them. All the Emotion we feel in life. It's hard for me to except that it's nothing more that chemical reactions going on in our body and brain.Of course thats what science would say and I respect it but where did it begin. Maybe I just want to believe it's from a higher power.

Like I said,these are not my final conclusions, just some things I think about.
Nicky Blunt 12:21 PM - 12 August, 2010
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The same reason i feel the earth wasnt created 4-5000 years ago.

Science has debunked half the teachings in that book, how can i believe the rest?


Ok, so you're a Science buff, which is a reasonable argument.

Is Religion a thing that you think is MADE UP, so people will have something to "Live" for?

I mean, if everybody knew for a fact that there was NO Afterlife, wouldn't the world get chaotic?


I dont belive religion was made up to give life purpose, more as a way of controlling the masses as cmos said in his earlier post!

Like chris rock said back in the day we never had freezers! So Pork went off real quick, people were sick from rotten meat etc! So how do we get people to stop eating it?

Tell em god said dont eat it!
Nicky Blunt 12:22 PM - 12 August, 2010
As for chaotic, we have peados in the church, rapists on the streets, murderers, etc etc! The place we live in is far from perfect how much more fucked up do u want it?
RogerRabbit 1:21 PM - 12 August, 2010
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I would say I'm a Christian, but I doubt if MANY people can really follow the 10 Commandments the way they're REALLY supposed to be followed.

You got to practice preach and be nicer to some forum members :)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:43 PM - 12 August, 2010
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Agreed. One of the core beliefs, however, is that whatever does happen after this life will be affected, either positively or negatively, by the choices one has made and the actions they've taken. I'll buy that.


But again, that's assuming something DOES happen after someone dies.

Suppose it's proven that once you're gone, THAT'S IT?

What would be the purpose of life?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:45 PM - 12 August, 2010
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Agreed. One of the core beliefs, however, is that whatever does happen after this life will be affected, either positively or negatively, by the choices one has made and the actions they've taken. I'll buy that.


But again, that's assuming something DOES happen after someone dies.

Suppose it's proven that once you're gone, THAT'S IT?

What would be the purpose of life?

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Voyager529 1:46 PM - 12 August, 2010
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To attempt to coerce anyone to share my beliefs is contrary to the example Jesus set. To impose upon one's free will is at variance with the very foundation of the Bible.

Joey


Ok, I was rockin' with you until you said that part. I thought we were supposed to "Spread the word" and all that?


We are. Here's the way I figure it. Take my friend Candice. I've known her for many years. We've had many discussions about God and Jesus and Christianity. I've done my best to explain the concept to her and answer her questions about the faith. I've done what I can to actually walk my talk and NOT be a hypocrite. She's chosen to reject the message, and I respect her decision. We're still great friends, and she knows she can come to me with absolutely anything (religious or not), but at this point all I can do is express God's love toward her. Spreading the Word means that it's our job to inform, but it's between the person and God as to whether that individual chooses to be transformed.

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Those "Insecurities" could be likened to Scientific challenges, THAT MAY HAVE A POINT, so that makes your job of telling "The Story" that much more difficult, right?

I can't speak for the person you were replying to, but I don't believe that science and Christianity are at variance with each other. While it seems to be the general consensus that believing the Bible can only happen by forsaking scientific observation, that's not the case. There are plenty of cases where science can prove the Bible and events described there. By converse, a view fully independent of a higher deity still requires some degree of faith. The laws of physics are required to create the Big Bang, and thus could not be a result of the Big Bang (as is the energy itself). Abiogenesis (the process where living organisms came into being from inorganic matter) has been speculated but there has never been any concrete data to demonstrate how it happened here. The evolutionary chain has lots of organisms in it, but there are more missing links than actual organisms. I'm not trying to debate these issues, except to say that they all require faith, just like a belief in God does.

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god made everything in creation including man the heavens and the earth, but he also needs 10% of your income, apparently hes just not that inancially(sic) sound

I get this one a lot. First off, I'll note that the 10% precedent was set by Abraham back in the Old Testament, so it's not like there were millions of people giving money at this point. If I were inventing a religion and I was going to put a sticker price on how much God said to hand over, I think it'd make sense to either ask for more up front, or to refine it later and have Jesus say that the church needs more money.

That said, two things here. First, the best way I've heard it described is very similar to the way you stated it - God made everything in creation, including the green pieces of paper in my wallet. It's all His, and I'm in charge of spending 90% of it. Now the 10% that's supposed to go to God, well if it's any consolation I stopped tithing at the church I grew up in some time ago because I felt that they were being poor stewards of that money; I've largely migrated to another church for a number of reasons, that being one of them. I also donate money to several other causes, including a pastor in Kenya who has shown me images of him helping to feed starving people there (and as we both know, there's no shortage of poverty over in Kenya). I also support people in my church that go on missions trips, yes to tell others about Jesus, but also to do service projects and help feed homeless people and do other things around the community of the 'host church'. Finally, I support an organization called Love146, an organization founded to end child sex trafficking and rehabilitate the children once they've escaped. It's these types of things that I believe God calls the church to get behind. By contrast, a friend of mine was in a meeting at a local church and heard something that made us both sick - the pastor actually had the audacity to say, "We're low on money, let's schedule a revival". If the church is broke, you seek God to see what *HIS* will is for it, you don't DARE invoke His name to pad your own pockets.

The church as a whole gets a bad rap for turning a quick buck and for the hypocrisy of the faithful, and unfortunately I can't blame those who feel this way, though I wish I could. All I can say is that I'm sorry for the example given by those who twist God's Word to their own personal gain, and realize that according to their own faith, they'll have to stand before God and answer for distorting it.

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I dont belive religion was made up to give life purpose, more as a way of controlling the masses as cmos said in his earlier post!

Like chris rock said back in the day we never had freezers! So Pork went off real quick, people were sick from rotten meat etc! So how do we get people to stop eating it?

Tell em god said dont eat it!


I hear this one a lot, too. It makes sense from the outside (and again I can't entirely disagree that it hasn't been used to such ends by different people throughout history), but two things here. Christianity is all about getting saved through mercy and grace. We receive mercy by not getting what we deserve (i.e. "the wages of sin is death..."), and grace is getting what we don't deserve ("...but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus"). If you're making a religion up for the purpose of controlling people, telling them that salvation is a free gift from God and that we can't earn it through our works seems rather ineffective if you ask me. Now, once we DO accept it then yeah, there is a higher moral standard we've agreed to adhere to. Married guys (and girls) - has your life changed just a smidge since you said "I do"? Same general concept here.

With regards to pork and the rules of Kosher, you're partially right. God knew that pork and shellfish and some of the other foods were poisonous if improperly cooked, so God told them not to eat it for their benefit. Others were for cultural reasons - not mixing meat and dairy fits this example, since the logic behind that was that it was a Pagan cultural norm of the day to eat meat and milk (in some cases doing extremely cruel things like boiling a calf alive in the mother's milk), and this rule was to set them apart. Some were more practical in nature - the camel, for example, was better used as a beast of burden as it could carry extremely heavy loads through the desert. If you slay your camel you're stuck carrying your own gear AND a bunch of camel meat. Some things we're still unaware of the reason and yeah, ultimately fits into the "God said don't do it so we're not going to do it out of love and respect for Him". Besides, it wouldn't take Aristotle to realize, "dude...Melchizadek had a pig roast and now everyone is throwing up!" A few of those pig roasts and people would have eventually figured it out, and it's not like they'd all want to come back for round two of the roast. The issue was to stop everyone from getting sick BEFORE it happened, and then prevent people from wasting water and animal feed on an animal that would ultimately get them sick if it survived in the desert long enough to actually provide any meat for the people.

(note: this next part is going to sound a smidge preachy, but that's not the intent, for whatever it's worth)
Finally, it was mentioned a few times here (and again something frequently stated) that a loving God wouldn't send people to suffer forever in a pit of fire. Two things here. First, I'm not entirely certain whether it's a literal burning sensation or a figurative fire, but I do know that it's a place of suffering and - more importantly - a permanent separation from God. The bigger issue to address here is the implication of the statement. If you agreed with the way I wrote it above (more or less), then hopefully you'll agree with this rewording: "I don't believe that a loving God could have everyone ready to come to heaven, then choose to cast certain people to hell and not others." This really is backwards to the way the Bible explains it. It's more like God gave me a choice, I chose the path apart from Him, and I was destined for hell to spend eternity paying off my debt. Instead, Jesus came and paid it for me, so that I could be pardoned. Someone earlier asked how I knew if I was forgiven. Well, if the Bible is true, then God made it abundantly clear that I am forgiven. If the Bible isn't true, and I'm spending my life being kind and loving to the people around me, paying my taxes, help end child sex slavery, not downloading tracks off of limewire, encouraging others to do the same, and in a couple decades all that's left of me is some worm food, a couple megs of data in the -Facebook/Google database, and a legacy of doing my best to honor and serve a God that doesn't exist, well then I can live with that. Either way, it goes back to simply being a matter of faith.

Joey
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:47 PM - 12 August, 2010
Blind belief in something that people dont understand, failure to question what your told, listening to a leader and following what they say unwavering, and group mentality (wanting to belong) are the most devisive things in the world today, not only in religion but even in modern politics. Its a followers mentality that is devoid of critical thinking. And that mentality is responsible for most if not all of the problems the world is going through today.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:50 PM - 12 August, 2010
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That's if anything happens at all.

Damn, I said I would say anything but I can't help it.We'll some may label me as Agnostic but I chose not to label myself and basically open and neutral to it all.

Ill share some random thoughts that I've ad go through my mind at times.There more like questions:

1)I've often heard that if you do make it to Heaven when you die (assuming there's one) you will no longer feel pain or suffer. Feel no more sadness or depression.Basically anything negative.
Heres my problem with that. Im not gonna BS and say Im thankful for it but a lot of the bad things I've been through in my life have made me the stronger person I am now.Growing up struggling.Losing loved ones and broken hearts.Going through all this has helped made me respect a lot more things in life and try to be a better person. I think a lot of poeple feel the same way about themselves.
My question is, if you go to Heaven and no longer feel these negative things and forget you've been through them, then basically, you wouldn't actually be yourself because it is those hard things that made you who you are So what would be the point.How is it supposed to work out?


2)Another thing I think about (and not to get all cheesy). When I think about music and how I feel wen I create it and play my keyboard or even when I've DJ'd and played certain songs.The high you get from it. I think about the love for my Family and friends what I'd do for them and how I'd feel to loose them. All the Emotion we feel in life. It's hard for me to except that it's nothing more that chemical reactions going on in our body and brain.Of course thats what science would say and I respect it but where did it begin. Maybe I just want to believe it's from a higher power.

Like I said,these are not my final conclusions, just some things I think about.


Hmmm...good point...

Some random thoughts I'VE HAD...

Ok, lets say your parents die at the age of 90, and you're 60 when they die. Your last rememberances of them are at 90, and they of you at 60.

Now let's say 30 years later, YOU die at the age of 90, and your kids are now 60.

So when you get to heaven, and join others, "How old do they perceive you?" 60 as of when they (your parents) last saw you, or 90, your current age at death?

Or will those who you meet just "see" you as whatever age you were when they last saw you, and you saw them?
Nicky Blunt 1:52 PM - 12 August, 2010
there isnt one! Your sole purpose is to eat sleep shit & pro create! Hey dont feel bad! over here in the uk for a month or so we even had busses with advertising on them telling the whole of london there isnt a god.

& as of age surely seeing as its the best place ever (heaven) you get to be 21 again! lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:55 PM - 12 August, 2010
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The same reason i feel the earth wasnt created 4-5000 years ago.

Science has debunked half the teachings in that book, how can i believe the rest?


Ok, so you're a Science buff, which is a reasonable argument.

Is Religion a thing that you think is MADE UP, so people will have something to "Live" for?

I mean, if everybody knew for a fact that there was NO Afterlife, wouldn't the world get chaotic?


I dont belive religion was made up to give life purpose, more as a way of controlling the masses as cmos said in his earlier post!

Like chris rock said back in the day we never had freezers! So Pork went off real quick, people were sick from rotten meat etc! So how do we get people to stop eating it?

Tell em god said dont eat it!


Ok, I eat porkchops all day, everyday if I could....and that pork thing may be limited to certain religions, but I get what you're saying...

Someone said that the Commandments are merely "Laws", but isn't that OK?

I mean, we as a people NEED some type of guidelines to live by, correct?

Like say for example, they never said, "Thou Shall Not Kill", and we had people just offing each other for whatever reason, without fear of punishment, doesn't the "Laws" at that time just make SENSE?

Also, I'm skeptical that someone LESS than a higher power was knowledgeable enough to come up with some barebones rules to Live By, (10 Commandments), that have TRULY stood the test of time.

There are man-made laws that keep getting diluted, and washed away as time goes on, but those Commandments seem to hold steady. Not that people are FOLLOWING THEM, but that the Majority of people agree with them, and that a LOT of them are actual MODERN Laws.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:56 PM - 12 August, 2010
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As for chaotic, we have peados in the church, rapists on the streets, murderers, etc etc! The place we live in is far from perfect how much more fucked up do u want it?


LOL! Good point. That whole Catholic Preists thing with Kids is crazy.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:02 PM - 12 August, 2010
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Like say for example, they never said, "Thou Shall Not Kill", and we had people just offing each other for whatever reason, without fear of punishment, doesn't the "Laws" at that time just make SENSE?

Also, I'm skeptical that someone LESS than a higher power was knowledgeable enough to come up with some barebones rules to Live By, (10 Commandments), that have TRULY stood the test of time.


Those havent changed (at least most of them) because they existed BEFORE they were "commandments" their the basic rules that kinda have to exist to have a societey function properly. Thats why they came up with the commandments idea, because then they couldnt prove if you did any of this stuff they didnt have CSI, fingerprinting, DNA, Video cameras so there were no consequenses as long as you didnt just do it publicly, so they came up with the idea that hey even if we dont get you and you get away with it your STILL fucked because him sees EVERYTHING.

Nothing wrong with having these rules or the being to enforce them but what happens when you set these to a religion and then set that religion to a worldwide stage is you have people clashing with others about the details of their beliefs and people thinking that everyone should think like them. Ya thou shall not kill is a GREAT rule, but when the belief system that governs that rule causes a war where millions die the system is no longer working properly. Most of these belief systems (aside from mine FSM for the win) dont teach you to just live your life right and leave others along, they call for you to go out and get in others busniess and thtas not right.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:03 PM - 12 August, 2010
Joey, you are very well spoken man.
Voyager529 2:04 PM - 12 August, 2010
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As for chaotic, we have peados in the church, rapists on the streets, murderers, etc etc! The place we live in is far from perfect how much more fucked up do u want it?


LOL! Good point. That whole Catholic Preists thing with Kids is crazy.


Agreed, and you'll be hard pressed to find someone who doesn't. However, realize that:

1.) The church and God are two different things.
2.) Neither of the above condoned what they did; the priests were acting in clear variance to both.
3.) Every group of people has their outliers that give the group as a whole a bad rap. Ever have to sell yourself to a bride or club owner who judges your skill by DJ Pauly D or some craigslist kid who plays DJ Hero during the event? sucks, doesn't it?

Just sayin'.

Joey
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:08 PM - 12 August, 2010
how my belief system handles people of different belief systems

Second Letter From Edd to the Forum Members


1 One day an elderly couple gathered their four children, two sons and two daughters, together for a serious discussion. 2 When all were present they asked, ‘What are your views regarding the afterlife, religion, or spirituality in general?’

3 Now, it was known that the couple was in the process of drawing up their Last Will and Testament. 4 Over the years, their wealth had grown to an envious amount. 5 The children felt that their inheritance might be influenced by their responses.

6 But they were strong, independent thinkers and they all knew that their parents respected honesty, so each child resolved to speak the truth, no matter what the consequences.

7 The eldest son spoke up first: ‘Mother, Father, I have never hidden my feelings on this matter; I proudly consider myself an atheist. 8 All observable evidence supports the idea of a universe capable of running itself without the benefit of a guiding or creative hand. 9 And every god that I have ever heard of seems more likely to be wishful thinking, fable, or myth. 10 When supportable evidence is presented that indicates otherwise, I will reconsider my position, but until then, I will look to science to answer all my questions and solve all my problems.’

11 The oldest daughter responded next: ‘I respect my brother’s opinion but I cannot commit to such an inflexible attitude. 12 I agree that no evidence can be shown to prove a god’s existence but no evidence can be shown proving a god’s non-existence, either. 13 Without proof, reasonable doubt must prevail. 14 The world is full of many wondrous things in an arguably infinite amount of space; to say with conviction that something cannot exist is indicative of hubris.’

15 Without responding, the parents looked to the next son. 16 ‘I have not been shy in regard to my faith, either,’ he laughed. 17 ‘Anyone who would like to hear how I decided that the path I have chosen is the true path to enlightenment I will gladly regale. 18 Come to me with an open mind and the truth shall reveal itself to you. 19 Worry not about insulting me, my conviction is based upon a power higher than anything of this world.’

20 All eyes turned to the youngest daughter. 21 She sighed, took a deep breath and drew herself up, as if expecting an attack. 22 ‘Mother and Father, I love you very much, but you ask a question I find difficult to answer. 23 My beliefs are of a personal and private nature; so much so that it is painful to bring myself to express them, even to you. 24 I beg you, judge me by my actions, not my motives. 25 Do I not endeavour to help others and not harm them? 26 Am I not compassionate? 27 Have you found me to be cruel in any way? 28 What difference does it make what thoughts lie in my mind if my behaviour is commendable? 29 Any views I have should be considered as valid as the others, no matter what they are. 30 Leave me out of your will if you must, but that is my final response.’

31 The parents exchanged a shocked look. 32 ‘Leave you out of our will?!’ they exclaimed. 33 ‘We were merely curious! 34 Our will is already complete. 35 You will all get an equal share of the estate, regardless of your views. 36 We love you all equally. 37 Silly children, we only want you to feel comfortable discussing any and all topics with us.’

38 Verily the elderly couple had much of the FSM within them, for they understood that each of their children felt strongly concerning their respective viewpoints and not one was deserving of punishment or disregard. 39 When the sad day arrived and each heir received their one fifth share of their parents’ estate, they felt proud to carry on the legacy of tolerance and respect.

40 (And yes, the four children each received one fifth of the inheritance; the remaining portion was split amongst the household pets. 41 Unfortunately, the parents shared another trait of the FSM and were frequently intoxicated.)

42 May you identify more with the parents of this parable than one of the children (except for the ‘frequently intoxicated’ part).

RAmen
Polanka 3:52 PM - 12 August, 2010
I thank God for giving us this opportunity to discuss or beliefs and thoughts.

I believe that the Bible is the undeniable truth, the wisdom of our creator a manual to how to live a great life.

Before I began my walk with Christ I was the most awful Father, Husband and friend. I lost everything due to my selfishness. I spent all my time trying to make more money and pleasing my desires by any means possible. My wife and kids hated me for not spending any time with them. They would go to church and I would refuse to go with them. Well I lost it all the family, house, friends and so began to drink my life away.

When I began to walk with our lord Jesus, Slowly but surely he began to transform me into a new man and began to give me back everything I had lost. He has done wonders for me that I am unable to ever repay.

The only way I was able to believe was to lose everything and have no one to turn. Guess who we turn to when there is nothing left?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:02 PM - 12 August, 2010
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I'd have to say, (and I guess it's still not too late for it to happen...but) it's cool that we can sit here and have a reasonable discussion, ask questions, present views, and open our minds to what others believe without the usual flaming.

Most would think a thread like this would go down in flames, but as most can see, it's very civil...with a few distractions, but still very civil.

The truth is that a recent DJ friend of mine started saying stuff like he was Blessed with all that he's gotten, and I thought that was MADDDD COOL.

So, hey, why not chop it up here?

Don't worry, I won't be donning a collar anytime soon, but it's cool to be able to talk about ANYTHING on this board.
d:raf 4:09 PM - 12 August, 2010
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But again, that's assuming something DOES happen after someone dies.

Suppose it's proven that once you're gone, THAT'S IT?

What would be the purpose of life?

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What's the purpose of life either way? That's a question we'll probably never be able to "get" through our limited understanding (which is where faith comes in). However, I consider science sort of a major religion as well, and it says that energy cannot be created or destroyed. While I'm not so certain that whatever makes me "me" will remain intact after death (since energy tends to dissipate in multiple directions once the source has ceased to be), I do believe that whatever energy source is behind life itself must go -somewhere-.

I concur; great discussion so far.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:32 PM - 12 August, 2010
Its a human trait to think there needs to be a purpose to anything
RogerRabbit 5:08 PM - 12 August, 2010
Ok, so how do you guys who consider yourself real Christians relate to music and djing...
Cuz as far as I understand, if you are fully walking in the word, you should strive to keep your mind pure and some of the stuff we may play while djing may be in discord with that. House music may be ok becuase I hear alot of uplifting themes in the genre, but some other genres are not that sanitized.
Voyager529 6:46 PM - 12 August, 2010
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Ok, so how do you guys who consider yourself real Christians relate to music and djing...
Cuz as far as I understand, if you are fully walking in the word, you should strive to keep your mind pure and some of the stuff we may play while djing may be in discord with that. House music may be ok becuase I hear alot of uplifting themes in the genre, but some other genres are not that sanitized.


A *VERY* good question, Mr. Rabbit. It's one I've wrestled with for some time myself, and continually do. Here's the best answer I can give you...

First, I'm a mobile jock, not a club jock. Thus, I'm not expected to play songs whose themes are at variance with Godly principles. In fact, many of my clients hire me on that basis. Next, I do what I can to filter out and flat-out not carry songs I know are at odds with Biblical principles. When I get my PrimeCuts CDs in the mail, I listen through them and try to immediately avoid the tracks I know will compromise those principles. When I grab Crooklyn Clan tracks, I listen to them in their entirety and make my own derivative custom edits that remove pieces I feel are inappropriate. Finally, no matter where the line is drawn, I know that there will always be a few tracks that straddle that line. At this point, I get my clients involved and ask about them on a song-by-song basis and let them decide what they feel is acceptable, providing lyrics sheets if they need. So far, this system has served me well.

Joey
Logisticalstyles 6:47 PM - 12 August, 2010
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Ok, so how do you guys who consider yourself real Christians relate to music and djing...
Cuz as far as I understand, if you are fully walking in the word, you should strive to keep your mind pure and some of the stuff we may play while djing may be in discord with that. House music may be ok becuase I hear alot of uplifting themes in the genre, but some other genres are not that sanitized.



That reminds me of the radio station out here. They do an "inspirational vitamin" which is just a scripture and a short sermon from a local preacher. I find it hypocritical because it's always sandwiched between some supper thugged out hip hop or some raunchy sex infused song.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:19 PM - 12 August, 2010
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Ok, so how do you guys who consider yourself real Christians relate to music and djing...
Cuz as far as I understand, if you are fully walking in the word, you should strive to keep your mind pure and some of the stuff we may play while djing may be in discord with that. House music may be ok becuase I hear alot of uplifting themes in the genre, but some other genres are not that sanitized.


THIS is something that occassionally grips me, because I'm in a spot of either JUST playing what I feel is "appropriate", not necessarily non-secular, but at least "Decent", but on the other hand, I need to chase a check.

I figure at LEAST stay in the mix so that, even if I DO play some music I personally DON'T agree with, I can mix in music that IS Tasteful and uplifting.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:21 PM - 12 August, 2010
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A *VERY* good question, Mr. Rabbit. It's one I've wrestled with for some time myself, and continually do. Here's the best answer I can give you...

First, I'm a mobile jock, not a club jock. Thus, I'm not expected to play songs whose themes are at variance with Godly principles. In fact, many of my clients hire me on that basis. Next, I do what I can to filter out and flat-out not carry songs I know are at odds with Biblical principles. When I get my PrimeCuts CDs in the mail, I listen through them and try to immediately avoid the tracks I know will compromise those principles. When I grab Crooklyn Clan tracks, I listen to them in their entirety and make my own derivative custom edits that remove pieces I feel are inappropriate. Finally, no matter where the line is drawn, I know that there will always be a few tracks that straddle that line. At this point, I get my clients involved and ask about them on a song-by-song basis and let them decide what they feel is acceptable, providing lyrics sheets if they need. So far, this system has served me well.

Joey


Man, i didn't really think some cats took it that seriously. Most times, I hear any ol' DJ play ANY OLE' THING, regardless of who is in attendance, agewise or otherwise.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:26 PM - 12 August, 2010
For those who "DON'T" believe in higher powers, do you believe in KARMA?

I do. I think for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

It may not show up immediately when you do the offending act, but I strongly believe it will catch up to you.

Isn't belief in Karma the same as believing in some higher power?
CMOS 8:37 PM - 12 August, 2010
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Agreed. One of the core beliefs, however, is that whatever does happen after this life will be affected, either positively or negatively, by the choices one has made and the actions they've taken. I'll buy that.


But again, that's assuming something DOES happen after someone dies.

Suppose it's proven that once you're gone, THAT'S IT?




There wouldnt be no damn suicide bombers i tell you that much lol.
CMOS 8:39 PM - 12 August, 2010
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For those who "DON'T" believe in higher powers, do you believe in KARMA?

I do. I think for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

It may not show up immediately when you do the offending act, but I strongly believe it will catch up to you.

Isn't belief in Karma the same as believing in some higher power?



Karma is another principle idea to make you feel better. "look that guy did some fucked up his..................i didnt stop him from doing it..........he will get his....karma"

These are all ways to get you to forget about whats really going on. Take responsibility for youself and stop waiting for mystical forces to make things right is how i see it.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:49 PM - 12 August, 2010
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For those who "DON'T" believe in higher powers, do you believe in KARMA?

I do. I think for every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction.

It may not show up immediately when you do the offending act, but I strongly believe it will catch up to you.

Isn't belief in Karma the same as believing in some higher power?



Karma is another principle idea to make you feel better. "look that guy did some fucked up his..................i didnt stop him from doing it..........he will get his....karma"

These are all ways to get you to forget about whats really going on. Take responsibility for youself and stop waiting for mystical forces to make things right is how i see it.



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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:04 PM - 12 August, 2010
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There wouldnt be no damn suicide bombers i tell you that much lol.


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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:04 PM - 12 August, 2010
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Karma is another principle idea to make you feel better. "look that guy did some fucked up his..................i didnt stop him from doing it..........he will get his....karma"

These are all ways to get you to forget about whats really going on. Take responsibility for youself and stop waiting for mystical forces to make things right is how i see it.


So if you saw someone doing some crazy *ish, you'd risk yourself to get involved?
CMOS 4:19 AM - 13 August, 2010
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Karma is another principle idea to make you feel better. "look that guy did some fucked up his..................i didnt stop him from doing it..........he will get his....karma"

These are all ways to get you to forget about whats really going on. Take responsibility for youself and stop waiting for mystical forces to make things right is how i see it.


So if you saw someone doing some crazy *ish, you'd risk yourself to get involved?


No but i wouldnt think that because of his bad deed, bad things will happen to them to make up for their bad deed and equal everything out.

Its a way to make people feel good about being good. Because if you are bad, karma will eventually get you, its another scare tactic to keep you from doing bad stuff.

Its all a mind fuck to keep people in line.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:29 AM - 13 August, 2010
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Its a way to make people feel good about being good. Because if you are bad, karma will eventually get you, its another scare tactic to keep you from doing bad stuff.

Its all a mind fuck to keep people in line.


I'm not too sure about that though. Because I've was doing bad stuff WAYYYY before I found out about Karma....and could never figure out why I never "got away with anything", ultimately.

Once I found out what Karma "was", well, I "tested" it...

And EVERY SINGLE TIME, I call myself "Getting Over", it would come back to haunt me, but with a smidge OVER what I did, just to let me know.

When I chilled, and did GOOD stuff, like "Genuine" stuff, (that I may not even have realized was "Good" at the time), I always got rewarded 3-Fold.

It's like I tried to apply a scientific method of testing a faith based concept.
CMOS 4:54 AM - 13 August, 2010
Brainwashed.

You are conditioned to think that you have to be good for some reason than just to be good for the sake of being good.

You may have just been a bad criminal. Or whatever you were getting over on lol.




I see the whole religion idea as just put together. If you really step back and look at it. Its a sloppy job of putting it together.

There were over 50 different gospels written, only 4 made it into the bible. There are waayyyyy too many similarities between Jesus and Horus for me to think any of it is true. If they would fake just one teeeeny tiny story in that book, to me, the whole thing cant be believed.

The whole story of Jesus is a ripoff in my eyes. The basically jacked Horus' entrie storyline.

Jesus, born to virgin.
Horus, born to virgin.

Jesus, only son of Yehovah (god)
Horus, only son of Osiris (god)

Jesus, born to Miriam (now referred to as Mary)
Horus, born to Isis-Meri

Jesus' foster father, Joseph.
Horus foster father, Seb (aka Jo-Seph)

Mary told she was pregnant by an angel.
Isis told the same thing.

Jesus' birthdate - Born during the fall. However, his birth date is now celebrated on DEC-25. The date was chosen to occur on the same date as the birth of Mithra, Dionysus and the Sol Invictus (unconquerable Sun), etc.

Horus birthdate - Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth date; he was not a human.

Witnesses to Jesus birth: 3 wisemen
Witnesses to Horus birth: 3 solar deities


Jesus was given a death threat by Herod as a baby.
Horus was given a death threat by Herut as a baby.

Jesus - no data between 12 and 30
Horus - No data between 12 and 30

Jesus was baptized at age 30
Horus was baptized at age 30

Jesus was baptized by John the baptist
Horus was baptized by Anup the baptizer.

John the Baptist was beheaded.
Anup the baptizer was also beheaded.















Jesus was born sometime between 4 and 7 BC.
Horus was worshipped thousands of years before the first century.






How can there be this many coincidences?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:43 AM - 13 August, 2010
Who the hell is Horus?
Banana_Peter 1:27 PM - 13 August, 2010
My hell would be bunch of fat naked Asian chicks
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:29 PM - 13 August, 2010
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Who the hell is Horus?

Egyptian god of war and the sky, oldest of all egyptian gods
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:33 PM - 13 August, 2010
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Brainwashed.

You are conditioned to think that you have to be good for some reason than just to be good for the sake of being good.

You may have just been a bad criminal. Or whatever you were getting over on lol.




I see the whole religion idea as just put together. If you really step back and look at it. Its a sloppy job of putting it together.

There were over 50 different gospels written, only 4 made it into the bible. There are waayyyyy too many similarities between Jesus and Horus for me to think any of it is true. If they would fake just one teeeeny tiny story in that book, to me, the whole thing cant be believed.

The whole story of Jesus is a ripoff in my eyes. The basically jacked Horus' entrie storyline.

Jesus, born to virgin.
Horus, born to virgin.

Jesus, only son of Yehovah (god)
Horus, only son of Osiris (god)

Jesus, born to Miriam (now referred to as Mary)
Horus, born to Isis-Meri

Jesus' foster father, Joseph.
Horus foster father, Seb (aka Jo-Seph)

Mary told she was pregnant by an angel.
Isis told the same thing.

Jesus' birthdate - Born during the fall. However, his birth date is now celebrated on DEC-25. The date was chosen to occur on the same date as the birth of Mithra, Dionysus and the Sol Invictus (unconquerable Sun), etc.

Horus birthdate - Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice (about DEC-21). In reality, he had no birth date; he was not a human.

Witnesses to Jesus birth: 3 wisemen
Witnesses to Horus birth: 3 solar deities


Jesus was given a death threat by Herod as a baby.
Horus was given a death threat by Herut as a baby.

Jesus - no data between 12 and 30
Horus - No data between 12 and 30

Jesus was baptized at age 30
Horus was baptized at age 30

Jesus was baptized by John the baptist
Horus was baptized by Anup the baptizer.

John the Baptist was beheaded.
Anup the baptizer was also beheaded.















Jesus was born sometime between 4 and 7 BC.
Horus was worshipped thousands of years before the first century.






How can there be this many coincidences?


Even the conception and birth storys are ripoffs, we celebrate christmas as his birth but has anyone realised that this coincidentially corresponds with the winter solstice, which was already celebrated on the roman calender and was also celebrated by pagans? 9 months eaerlier (his conception) is the spring equinox.....a date celebrated by pagans as a fertility holiday loooong before jesus was supposidley born??

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For many centuries, Christian writers accepted that Christmas was the actual date on which Jesus was born.[16] In the early eighteenth century, scholars began proposing alternative explanations. Isaac Newton argued that the date of Christmas was selected to correspond with the winter solstice,[10] which the Romans called bruma and celebrated on December 25.[17] In 1743, German Protestant Paul Ernst Jablonski argued Christmas was placed on December 25 to correspond with the Roman solar holiday Dies Natalis Solis Invicti and was therefore a "paganization" that debased the true church.[11] According to Judeo-Christian tradition, creation as described in the Genesis creation narrative occurred on the date of the spring equinox, i.e. March 25 on the Roman calendar. This date is now celebrated as Annunciation and as the anniversary of Incarnation.[18] In 1889, Louis Duchesne suggested that the date of Christmas was calculated as nine months after Annunciation, the traditional date of the conception of Jesus.[19]

The December 25 date may have been selected by the church in Rome in the early fourth century. At this time, a church calendar was created and other holidays were also placed on solar dates: "It is cosmic symbolism...which inspired the Church leadership in Rome to elect the winter solstice, December 25, as the birthday of Christ, and the summer solstice as that of John the Baptist, supplemented by the equinoxes as their respective dates of conception. While they were aware that pagans called this day the 'birthday' of Sol Invictus, this did not concern them and it did not play any role in their choice of date for Christmas," according to modern scholar S.E. Hijmans

Dj-M.Bezzle 1:41 PM - 13 August, 2010
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I'm not too sure about that though. Because I've was doing bad stuff WAYYYY before I found out about Karma....and could never figure out why I never "got away with anything", ultimately.

Once I found out what Karma "was", well, I "tested" it...

And EVERY SINGLE TIME, I call myself "Getting Over", it would come back to haunt me, but with a smidge OVER what I did, just to let me know.

When I chilled, and did GOOD stuff, like "Genuine" stuff, (that I may not even have realized was "Good" at the time), I always got rewarded 3-Fold.

It's like I tried to apply a scientific method of testing a faith based concept.



I hear people say this alot and its funney to me because in their storys (yours may be different) they usually say shit like oh i was in a gang or i was druggin or robbin ect and really bad shit kept commin back on me but then i calmed down became a family man and started going to church and good things started happenin.

Thats not karma, if your doing bad stuff bad things will happen to you buecause your putting in yourself in bad situations, if your in a gang, druggin, robbin ect your putting yourself around others who are doin ill shit, and putting yourself in the way and around more bad things than youd be around than if you are in church around people who arent doin fucked up stuff. But people in that church still get in car accidents and chld rapists have won the lottery.

Also like i said before its a trait of man to look for a reason for everything, iff something really bad happens they dont look at the good things that have happened to them, they look through their memory and they find what they consider a reason of why the bad thing happend. And when really good stuff happend to them their not thinking about all the bad stuff they did that should have counteracted it.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:55 PM - 13 August, 2010
I wasn't in any gangs or risky endeavors. I was always a good guy who did SOME bad things on the low. Actually, that was part of my cover, as everybody assumed that "I" wouldn't possibly do any wrong, so I got away with mad *ish.

There were no outwardly noticable changes in my behavior, I always did my dirt on the lonesome, would never trust anybody, and it still caught up to me.
DJ Schematic 2:14 PM - 13 August, 2010
I watched a pretty good documentary not too long ago. I recommend it to anyone who wants to understand more about the history of christianity. Zeitgeist: the Movie

Remember, do your own research!

It's on youtube for free Watchwww.youtube.com. Peep it when you get a chance.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:52 PM - 13 August, 2010
I have one everyone should watch too... bill maher Religulous
RogerRabbit 3:03 PM - 13 August, 2010
Bezzle maybe you or CMOS can start "the official atheist" thread...

It is easy to think that God is not real if you never experienced anything faith based. I know a couple of athesist in real life and I don't waste time debating with them, I just feel sorry for them.. They cool people otherwsie, we just don't get into religious discussions..
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:06 PM - 13 August, 2010
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Bezzle maybe you or CMOS can start "the official atheist" thread...

It is easy to think that God is not real if you never experienced anything faith based. I know a couple of athesist in real life and I don't waste time debating with them, I just feel sorry for them.. They cool people otherwsie, we just don't get into religious discussions..


I wouldnt feel right starting that thread since im not an atheist
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:10 PM - 13 August, 2010
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I know a couple of athesist in real life and I don't waste time debating with them, I just feel sorry for them.. They cool people otherwsie, we just don't get into religious discussions


which kinda proves the point of the "athesist", anything thats real should hold up to questioning, if your belief system is real it should be able to hold up in a debate, but instead of answering questions people with strong belief systems just throw out "just because" answers or run and hide or get pissy when they have a conversation with someone whos ideas differ. If someone questions something and it disturbs you and you dont feel confortable talking about it then odds are its not an air tight belief. If the whole point to christianity is to be more christ like, do you think christ said "i dont wanna discuss this" when people stepped up to him with questions or comments?
DJ Schematic 3:22 PM - 13 August, 2010
good point, m-bezzle.

i watched that Religilous movie. That movie cracked me up.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:36 PM - 13 August, 2010
Nobody is saying "Just Because", or running and hiding. I've responded to everything CMOS has said.
RogerRabbit 3:48 PM - 13 August, 2010
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If someone questions something and it disturbs you and you dont feel confortable talking about it then odds are its not an air tight belief. If the whole point to christianity is to be more christ like, do you think christ said "i dont wanna discuss this" when people stepped up to him with questions or comments

It not that it's not tight belief, it's just I can't be bothered sometimes, I am not at proficient at rambling scriptures and thirdly sometimes I just hate arguing with stupid mofo's.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:50 PM - 13 August, 2010
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Nobody is saying "Just Because", or running and hiding. I've responded to everything CMOS has said.


wasnt referring to you
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:51 PM - 13 August, 2010
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I just hate arguing with stupid mofo's.


So their stupid just because they dont agree with you??
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:57 PM - 13 August, 2010
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good point, m-bezzle.

i watched that Religilous movie. That movie cracked me up.



LOL ya i dont completley agree with maher, hes kinda a hypocrit because hes JUST as close minded as the people he argues with are but its still hillarious to watch him work.
DJ Schematic 4:02 PM - 13 August, 2010
Did you know, there is no other evidence that Jews were slaves other then in the bible? Not in text books or encyclopedias.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:09 PM - 13 August, 2010
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Did you know, there is no other evidence that Jews were slaves other then in the bible? Not in text books or encyclopedias.



huh never heard that ill have to look into that, kinda cool if true
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:11 PM - 13 August, 2010
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:13 PM - 13 August, 2010
im not sure of this but i think slavery was kinda prominant back then, like when an army took over a city they took people as slaves. So i dont disbelieve that there were masses of jewish slaves, but i dont think they cornered the market on it. I know egypt was big into slaves so i dont sout the validity of those claims
RogerRabbit 4:16 PM - 13 August, 2010
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I just hate arguing with stupid mofo's.


So their stupid just because they dont agree with you??

Not necessarily, it's just that folks I know who happened to be athesits really are stupid mofo - example one of them is the guy from my other thread who threw himself into traffic..
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:19 PM - 13 August, 2010
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I just hate arguing with stupid mofo's.


So their stupid just because they dont agree with you??

Not necessarily, it's just that folks I know who happened to be athesits really are stupid mofo - example one of them is the guy from my other thread who threw himself into traffic..



ok i understand now lol
DJ Schematic 5:03 PM - 13 August, 2010


The story of the jews being freed was only in the bible too.

Here's what the bible says about slaves:
When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

Here's a few verses from Jesus regarding slavery:
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)
CMOS 8:50 PM - 13 August, 2010
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Bezzle maybe you or CMOS can start "the official atheist" thread...

It is easy to think that God is not real if you never experienced anything faith based. I know a couple of athesist in real life and I don't waste time debating with them, I just feel sorry for them.. They cool people otherwsie, we just don't get into religious discussions..



LOL@ get out of our thread with your different thoughts. That was funny. I respect your right to say im full of shit.

Though Id rather hear your reasoning as to why you think its all true?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:04 PM - 13 August, 2010
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Bezzle maybe you or CMOS can start "the official atheist" thread...

It is easy to think that God is not real if you never experienced anything faith based. I know a couple of athesist in real life and I don't waste time debating with them, I just feel sorry for them.. They cool people otherwsie, we just don't get into religious discussions..



LOL@ get out of our thread with your different thoughts. That was funny. I respect your right to say im full of shit.

Though Id rather hear your reasoning as to why you think its all true?



+1
RogerRabbit 10:06 PM - 13 August, 2010
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Bezzle maybe you or CMOS can start "the official atheist" thread...

It is easy to think that God is not real if you never experienced anything faith based. I know a couple of athesist in real life and I don't waste time debating with them, I just feel sorry for them.. They cool people otherwsie, we just don't get into religious discussions..



LOL@ get out of our thread with your different thoughts. That was funny. I respect your right to say im full of shit.

Though Id rather hear your reasoning as to why you think its all true?



+1

Hmmm, you say your not an atheist Bezzle, but half your post in this thread are an attempt at comic relief and the others are hmmm - you just seem to be posting for the sake for posting...



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The same reason i feel the earth wasnt created 4-5000 years ago.

Science has debunked half the teachings in that book, how can i believe the rest?


That is a broad statement, what exactly has science debunked?



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I wish more people thought like this. I was raised Catholic, went to Catholic high school in brooklyn. Got my communion, then confirmation. But once i got a bit older i just realized it wasnt for me.

I have no problem with the people who believe in this. Its just not for me.


What, exactly are you saying then: you don't believe in religion or you can't be bothered to follow its principles..
CMOS 10:17 PM - 13 August, 2010
Dont believe in religion. Went through the motions because its how i was brought up.


As for the science thing, if the book was true, there wouldnt be fossils from millions on years ago here on earth. The book says the universe isnt that old.

The whole creation thing is bubkus, if the book is true, there were 3 days and nights before he created the sun.

I dont remember the exact terminology but didnt God take like 5 or six days just to create the earth, sun, and moon. Then in 1 fell swoop "he created the stars". This type of belief system would make sense to someone who thought the earth was the center of the world at the time they wrote it.

If the book was true then man and dinosaur would have coexisted throughout the entire dinosaur history. Science says them dino bones are waaaaay older than any man.


These are just a few off the top of the head.
d:raf 11:10 PM - 13 August, 2010
Trying to nail down a timeline in a book that says a day can be the same as 1000 years (depending on who you ask) is a futile effort to say the least.
slimmjimm 12:55 PM - 14 August, 2010
Just want to chime in before this gets into a flame war or locked.

I was raised Catholic, went thru all of the church stuff, was an altar boy (no touchie, no misquote) and I'm getting married in October in the church. I have to say firstly that getting married in the Catholic church, you have to jump thru a lot of hurdles, and there could be even more if I wasn't opting for the non member status and paying extra for the wedding.

I have what I would assume is a pretty standard view of religion if your a non practicing Catholic. I make it a point to pray every day, actually it' not really a point, it's just something I do without thinking I have to. Like others I pretty much try to be the best person I can be, and that means pretty much following the commandments, save for a few (because I'm not practicing I don't "observe" the "sabbath") and yes it's pretty easy since they are mostly laws etc.

I'm pretty comfortable with the way I do things because right now it's how I choose to do it, right or wrong in the churches eyes, it's how I do it. I like to pretty much sum it up from a loose quote from Dogma, it's not what you believe in, it's that you actually believe.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:07 PM - 16 August, 2010
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Hmmm, you say your not an atheist Bezzle, but half your post in this thread are an attempt at comic relief and the others are hmmm - you just seem to be posting for the sake for posting...


I really dont see where i was attempting comic relief, pretty much everything ive written in this thread represents my acutual views. My views may be different than most but on this topic they are just as valid as anyone elses.

Also I dotn think you really know what an atheist is, an atheist is a person who dosent believe there is a god, that has no correlation to attempts at funney posts and posting for postings sake.
SteadFast 5:36 PM - 16 August, 2010
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Dont believe in religion. Went through the motions because its how i was brought up.


As for the science thing, if the book was true, there wouldnt be fossils from millions on years ago here on earth. The book says the universe isnt that old.

The whole creation thing is bubkus, if the book is true, there were 3 days and nights before he created the sun.

I dont remember the exact terminology but didnt God take like 5 or six days just to create the earth, sun, and moon. Then in 1 fell swoop "he created the stars". This type of belief system would make sense to someone who thought the earth was the center of the world at the time they wrote it.

If the book was true then man and dinosaur would have coexisted throughout the entire dinosaur history. Science says them dino bones are waaaaay older than any man.


These are just a few off the top of the head.

the bible also says a day to God is like a 1000 days for man..
DJ Schematic 5:52 PM - 16 August, 2010
If you believe in dinosaurs, you need to reread the bible. You must've skipped a chapter or two :P
SteadFast 7:03 PM - 16 August, 2010
the bible says dinosaurs don't exist?
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:05 PM - 16 August, 2010
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the bible says dinosaurs don't exist?



according to sarah palin via her knowledge of the good book dinosaurs didnt exist, the fossils scientists find were put there by the devil to try and confuse you and convince you that god dosent exist....Palin '12
SteadFast 7:08 PM - 16 August, 2010
Who is sarah palin? I doubt shes even read it one time through. The bible doesn't say anything about the devil doing stuff with fossils, but it does say woah to anyone who adds or takes away from the word.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:22 PM - 16 August, 2010
also alot of creationists believe that dinosaurs and man coesisted
RogerRabbit 9:49 PM - 16 August, 2010
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Hmmm, you say your not an atheist Bezzle, but half your post in this thread are an attempt at comic relief and the others are hmmm - you just seem to be posting for the sake for posting...


I really dont see where i was attempting comic relief, pretty much everything ive written in this thread represents my acutual views. My views may be different than most but on this topic they are just as valid as anyone elses.

Also I dotn think you really know what an atheist is, an atheist is a person who dosent believe there is a god, that has no correlation to attempts at funney posts and posting for postings sake.

Well, I know your not as stupid as you pretend to be.. hence my conclusion..


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also alot of creationists believe that dinosaurs and man coesisted

I think I read or heard something like that on one of these christian radio stations...

Btw, I just watch Angels and Demons, interesting movie, I liked the part where it talked about science and religion coexisting..
drmemory 3:14 AM - 17 August, 2010
Absolute poppycock the lot of it...

The most intelligent form of design is evolution....
To an all-knowing all powerful being time is meaningless, so the difference between creation and evolution is... there is no difference

science and religion don't coexist.. THEY ARE THE SAME THING
MADLOGIC the Selectah 9:14 AM - 17 August, 2010
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I'm going to hell, what about you?


Probably right with ya!
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:19 PM - 17 August, 2010
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science and religion don't coexist.. THEY ARE THE SAME THING


or the complete opposite its one of the 2 i keep forgetting which
RogerRabbit 1:28 PM - 17 August, 2010
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Absolute poppycock the lot of it...

The most intelligent form of design is evolution....
To an all-knowing all powerful being time is meaningless, so the difference between creation and evolution is... there is no difference

science and religion don't coexist.. THEY ARE THE SAME THING


Evolution hmmm - I am waiting for my healing factor, my telepathy, and ability to fly to kick in(fingers crossed), but its not going to happen... Humans been stuck in the same evolution form for decades, so I don't know about that evolution mumbo jumbo..
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:09 PM - 17 August, 2010
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Absolute poppycock the lot of it...

The most intelligent form of design is evolution....
To an all-knowing all powerful being time is meaningless, so the difference between creation and evolution is... there is no difference

science and religion don't coexist.. THEY ARE THE SAME THING


Evolution hmmm - I am waiting for my healing factor, my telepathy, and ability to fly to kick in(fingers crossed), but its not going to happen... Humans been stuck in the same evolution form for decades, so I don't know about that evolution mumbo jumbo..


FACEPALM!! Evolution isnt an elevator to awsomeness its the ability to grow and adapt the necessary traits to survive in your enviroment, we are the top of the food chain so theres no need to evolve protection traits, we evolve with our brains and even though a great deal of our population is functionally retarted you cant deny weve grown smarter.

If anything i think its religion that stunted our evolution, in other species the weak are left to die off leaving the strong to survive and breed. Humans go out of their way to save and protect our weak.
DLBreaks 3:22 PM - 17 August, 2010
I always say if you beleive in god then you'r not really free
RogerRabbit 4:16 PM - 17 August, 2010
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Absolute poppycock the lot of it...

The most intelligent form of design is evolution....
To an all-knowing all powerful being time is meaningless, so the difference between creation and evolution is... there is no difference

science and religion don't coexist.. THEY ARE THE SAME THING


Evolution hmmm - I am waiting for my healing factor, my telepathy, and ability to fly to kick in(fingers crossed), but its not going to happen... Humans been stuck in the same evolution form for decades, so I don't know about that evolution mumbo jumbo..


FACEPALM!! Evolution isnt an elevator to awsomeness its the ability to grow and adapt the necessary traits to survive in your enviroment, we are the top of the food chain so theres no need to evolve protection traits, we evolve with our brains and even though a great deal of our population is functionally retarted you cant deny weve grown smarter.

If anything i think its religion that stunted our evolution, in other species the weak are left to die off leaving the strong to survive and breed. Humans go out of their way to save and protect our weak.


Guess you didn't get the sarcasm(with the x-men reference)..

Religion stunted our evolution.. *sighs* If you don't know anything about religion - just leave the thread only.. no one will take it personal..
mikep 4:54 PM - 17 August, 2010
I grew up Catholic, went to Catholc schools, worked in the Rectory (priests' home for those who don't know), coached CYO sports, and helped teach CCD (religion class) for a while.
I even borrowed a piest friend's shirt to be a priest for halloween once.
When procedure changes came in the pastor would say " we need to convince the people" that this is the way to do things because....

Religion is a man made institution.
It was created by the "educated" and leaders to control the masses and to explain the unknown. If it can't be explained then you take it on faith.
As mentioned, many of the religions have similar or identical story lines or "characters" in the stories.
My in-laws are a mix of Christian and Buddhist and there are a number of similarities there too.
I am somewhre in between where I kind of believe there is something but am not sure what the "truth" is. I still pray somtimes and ask for hlpe and guidance to do the right thing etc.
One quote I remember is that I'd rather live like there's a God and find I was wrong than to live like there is no God and find that there is.

The Catholic Church got it's biggest push when Constantine converted and used it to strengthen his power base. He lead the way to establishing the books in the New Testament. Over the years the church had great power over nations and their leaders. Popes had mistresses and even children.
Wars have been fought in the name of religion and that continues today.
Relgions are in a way like unions today. Union people get very "religious" about their union. In religion they are trying to convert everyone or squash those who won't convert. Unions want everyone "organized" wether you want it or not. Religion and unions have both become self serving groups trying to expand to enrich the organization. The church/union gets richer as it grows while the little people are numbers and pawns of the group. And yes I was a union member because the place I worked required it and when I needed something I was just put off.
End of tangent...
DJ Sniffles 5:09 PM - 17 August, 2010
The new testament is a sham. Read the old testament, be scared, hide under your bed, and remember that god is really a blood lusting jealous person who will kill kill kill.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:31 PM - 17 August, 2010
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I always say if you beleive in god then you'r not really free


Splain' Lucy.
sacrilicious 5:33 PM - 17 August, 2010
Didn't bother to read anything in this thread yet, but there is no credible support for god--Occam's Razor says "sorry."

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That said, FSM FTW.
sacrilicious 5:35 PM - 17 August, 2010
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Splain' Lucy.


Possible answer #1: many people (myself included) contend that god's omniscience (and therefore a deterministic universe) is incompatible with free will.

Possible answer #2: if you live your life by a prescribed code, you are not free.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:10 PM - 17 August, 2010
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The new testament is a sham. Read the old testament, be scared, hide under your bed, and remember that god is really a blood lusting jealous person who will kill kill kill.



which brings up another valid point, the god from the old testimant was mean and vengful, very WORSHIP ME OR ELSE. Then in the new testimant he was loving and forgiving. All powerful omnipitant beings dont have personality changes, the reason this happened is because they were scaring people off and they needed grow their numbers
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:22 PM - 17 August, 2010
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Religion stunted our evolution.. *sighs* If you don't know anything about religion - just leave the thread only.. no one will take it personal..


I know a great deal more than you think as unlike your average blind follower i try to learn as much as each religion as possible. But try to not think like your average blind follower for a second and acutually think about this . In every other species on the planet weak offspring are left to die, if a mother gives birth to a deseased offspring or a retarded puppy the pack leaves it and some pretator comes along and eats the damn thing, that way the abnormal genes arent passed on to future generations thereby preenting the problem from spreading. Since religion tells is that humans are somehow different and we have "souls" that make us special and that its our job to protect everyone and everything we protect the weak, sick and abnormal. We prolong the life of people who have lived their time and because of this we pass on genetic problems, deseases, abnormalities, and raise our population to dangerous numbers beonod what the natural process can support.

Even on a scientific level it stunts us. If you look at cloning, stem cells, and tons of other scientific research that could teach us massive amounts of information about the human body and cure countless deseases yet they cant because its not "morally right" because several conflicting books were written thousands of years ago to keep people in line .

We cant even get along as a people because of these books, look at all the religious wars and the conflicts in the middle east where you have constant war and fighting because the people the left side of the imaginary line read a fictional book that differs from those on the right imaginary line. These books were great when people couldnt travel far and everything was reigonal because each set of standards could deal with the problems and dispositions of a particular people in a reigon. But we live in a worldwide community where i can simotaniously chat with a person in japan norway and canada all at once and hop on a plane and visit all 3 in a given week. People retain the ideas from these reigonal books and hold so strong to them that they think its the only way and everyone must adapt to their set of standards. Its ridiculous.
DLBreaks 3:38 AM - 18 August, 2010
Religion causes wars, seperation and hatred.. pretty much all the world wars happend is cause of religion especially the war were in now. Why dont we have sepation of church and state? and why do we have in god we trust printed on our money, thats rediculous and offensive. As an atheist i cant prove or disprove that god is or isnt real, but by using reason and logic i can tell you that he is not. Why cant people just say i dont know? Yea im sure god created everything including the human eye and lung, do yall have any idea how complex those 2 parts are? Yea he created complex parts but our immune systems are weak and our teeth fall out. Sorry but he couldve done more than a half ass creation job. Back in the early times they used to think diseases and plagues were the devils work, but we now know that it wasnt. They thought the earth was flat, yea ooooook. There is no such thing as a soul, thats just an expression and there are no miracles either. The only higher power we have is energy, theres bad and good energy thats it. I cant beleive after thousands of years people still beleive in the bible bullsh*t. I think the worst religions out there is christinity and islam. Christians always try to push that bullsh*t that i need to be saved. saved from what?? yea ok buddy.. And muslims well you know they allow beating of women and stoning people to death and look down on women. and they say religion is a good thing.. yea and santa clause is my cousin.. and whats the deal with ban on gay marriage, i mean who really gives a sh*t, thats obviously a christian hangup. Free country my ass. Im done with this rant i can keep going and going. peace
d:raf 6:39 AM - 18 August, 2010
I don't think religion causes wars, but it can (and has) certainly been used as a tool to justify them. People cause wars; if they didn't have religion as a rallying point it would be replaced with some other "cause".

If what you say were true then every religious person would be willing to kill for it, and I can assure you that's not the case at all.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:14 PM - 18 August, 2010
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Religion causes wars, seperation and hatred.. pretty much all the world wars happend is cause of religion especially the war were in now.


I have to disagree with you there. WOMEN are the #1 reason behind war and things that make us go crazy. Every single war had SOMETHING to do with a woman.

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Yea he created complex parts but our immune systems are weak and our teeth fall out. Sorry but he couldve done more than a half ass creation job. Back in the early times they used to think diseases and plagues were the devils work, but we now know that it wasnt.


I like the analogy of the mother cub seeing that they had a diseased cub, and would leave it so the other animals would slay it, thus stopping the spread of that bad gene. If they applied that same principle to humans, healthcare cost would be at a minimum.

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The only higher power we have is energy, theres bad and good energy thats it. I cant beleive after thousands of years people still beleive in the bible bullsh*t.


But IMO, you're contradicting yourself. to assign a human trait to energy is the same as believing in the unknown. God, Karma, etc..etc.

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and whats the deal with ban on gay marriage, i mean who really gives a sh*t, thats obviously a christian hangup.


I personally don't believe in gay marriage, and YES I'm a "Christian'. But not because GOD says so, but moreso because it uses up resources that were specifically put aside for us who DO take the plunge and throw a rock on her finger. Why should THEY be happy, and use up our "Tax Breaks, and Refunds"? Save that for those who are truly taking one for the team.

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Free country my ass. Im done with this rant i can keep going and going. peace


I don't understand what a "Free Country" has to do with your rant. That's controlled by the GOV'T, not churches, but I can see how some people would argue differently.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:17 PM - 18 August, 2010
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If what you say were true then every religious person would be willing to kill for it, and I can assure you that's not the case at all.


Name one thats not
Nicky Blunt 1:19 PM - 18 August, 2010
mother teresa!

hahaha
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:20 PM - 18 August, 2010
lol oops i misread i thought he wrote every religion would be willing to kill for it
RogerRabbit 1:45 PM - 18 August, 2010
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As an atheist i cant prove or disprove that god is or isnt real, but by using reason and logic i can tell you that he is not.

You invalidated your entire post with this statement.
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As an atheist i cant prove or disprove that god is or isnt real, but by using reason and logic i can tell you that he is not.

You invalidated your entire post with this statement.



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Dj-M.Bezzle 1:53 PM - 18 August, 2010
^ but you have to include the sentence that follows it to really invalidate it

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As an atheist i cant prove or disprove that god is or isnt real, but by using reason and logic i can tell you that he is not. Why cant people just say i dont know?


Its a hypocritical statment, you ask why people cant admit they dont know but RIGHT after you say that logic indicates there isnt one
RogerRabbit 2:27 PM - 18 August, 2010
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As an atheist i cant prove or disprove that god is or isnt real, but by using reason and logic i can tell you that he is not. Why cant people just say i dont know?


Its a hypocritical statment, you ask why people cant admit they dont know but RIGHT after you say that logic indicates there isnt one

Agreed.
RogerRabbit 2:35 PM - 18 August, 2010
Ok... Here's s couple questions for you none God loving folks..
Do you guys believe in satanic or demonic forces?
Do you guys believe in ghosts?
Because according to your logic - if God is not real. Neither is satan..

There are entities out here that can mess ya up if you dabble too deep..
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:43 PM - 18 August, 2010
I have neither belief nor disbelief on either case but i do dout that either exist. Most ghost cases are caused by ones own subconscience mind. Which is why most are the same across the board
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:47 PM - 18 August, 2010
Also alot of the old school ghost and demon storys are the same as the old gods and goddess storys. It was a way of explaining things they didnt understand. For example the voodoo practices in new orleans believed highly in the undead and zombies. Its now well known that this was caused because of the soil construction of new orleans. Since its below sea level and constantly wet its impossible for us to bury our dead in most places. The bodys rise to the top, thats why we have above ground cemetarys. But back in the day when that knowlede didnt exist theyd see body that had been previously buried or an empty gave (also caused by grave robbers) and they would just assume the body came back to life and dug its way out.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:47 PM - 18 August, 2010
Also you can look at most old day stories about satanic possession and they are obviously people with mental illnesses that we can easily classify and treat today
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I have neither belief nor disbelief on either case but i do dout that either exist. Most ghost cases are caused by ones own subconscience mind. Which is why most are the same across the board

No...You really don't know what you're talking about bezzle... What happens when stuff happens when you're wake.. I would post a personal experience, but it will be laughable to some.. Just how I used to laugh at some of the supersitious stories I heard growing up...
But I know for SURE, their is some stuff ya just don't want to F around with - stuff that will make ya shit your pants and breakout in a cold sweat..
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:15 PM - 18 August, 2010
you dont think your subconscience is at work while your awake?? Theyve done scientific experiments where they run an electrical current to stimulate a particular part of the subconscience and in every case the person recieving the current report the feeling of a "presence" in the room with them


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A Rational Look at Ghosts
A Scientific Explanation for a Worldwide Paranormal Belief
Nov 12, 2008 Robert Harrand

Are Ghosts Real? Or Imaginary? Tales of encounters with ghosts are common to most, if not all cultures on Earth. There is, however, a scientific and rational explanation for this phenomenon.

Human beings evolved in a world that was very different to today's. It was a brutal world with a constant threat of hunger, thirst, disease and predators.

In the blink of an evolutionary eye, many people are now born into a relatively comfortable life, with a secure home and little or no threat from many of the old dangers. Human brains, however, have not caught on. In the past, spotting or hearing a hidden threatening animal or malicious member of another tribe could mean the difference between life and death.

A 'true positive', seeing something that is there, was advantageous. A 'false positive', thinking something is there, when in fact it was just a rustling leaf or a random shadow, was neither good nor bad. A 'false negative', however, not noticing something of danger, could end in death.


Evolution's Product - The Suspicious Brain
This survival of alert and suspicious ancestors, and death of those that didn't notice a danger until it was too late, has given today's population the tendency to see and hear things that are simply not there.

Young children desperately tell sleep-deprived parents about the monster outside the window. Grown adults stare towards the corner of the room, convinced they've just seen something in the corner of their eye.

The human brain sees and hears things that are not there, because they have evolved to be over-cautious. With this in mind, stories of ghostly apparitions, foot-steps in the middle of the night, objects that change position, and whispering voices in a deserted churchyard suddenly have a rational, psychological explanation.

Add to this mix a culture of scary Hollywood movies, a wide-spread belief in the paranormal, and various religious sensibilities that assume the existence of ghosts and spirits, and the result is a population with a natural tendency to sense things that aren't there, coupled with an enormous amount of fuel for the imagination.

Phenomena Related to Ghosts
Sleep paralysis, where a person wakes but cannot move, is also a situation where there is both a rational and non-rational explanation. Some sufferers of this condition often describe being held down by a strange being, or abducted by aliens.

In fact, this is a condition that has been documented throughout history, with the 'monster of the era' being present, such as demons in the dark ages, and aliens in modern times. During sleep, the brain switches-off most types of movement to prevent a dreamer from acting out their dream. If the conscious mind wakes before the brain reactivates motion, the individual feels paralysed, and the subconscious seeks a reason. Sometimes, this reason is imagined to be an entity holding the person down.

It is of course possible that ghosts exist, their existence cannot be completely disproved. But from a scientific point of view, there is a simpler and more rational explanation of this and many related phenomena.



Read more at Suite101: A Rational Look at Ghosts: A Scientific Explanation for a Worldwide Paranormal Belief scientificinquiry.suite101.com

Dj-M.Bezzle 3:16 PM - 18 August, 2010
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But I know for SURE, their is some stuff ya just don't want to F around with - stuff that will make ya shit your pants and breakout in a cold sweat..


ya its called heroin and theres nothing supernatural about it
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:23 PM - 18 August, 2010
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Joe Nickell of the Committee for Skeptical Inquiry, wrote that there was no credible scientific evidence that any location was inhabited by spirits of the dead. Limitations of human perception and ordinary physical explanations can account for ghost sightings; for example, air pressure changes in a home causing doors to slam, or lights from a passing car reflected through a window at night. Pareidolia, an innate tendency to recognize patterns in random perceptions, is what some skeptics believe causes people to believe that they have seen ghosts. Reports of ghosts "seen out of the corner of the eye" may be accounted for by the sensitivity of human peripheral vision. According to Nickell, peripheral vision can easily mislead, especially late at night when the brain is tired and more likely to misinterpret sights and sounds."

Some researchers, such as Michael Persinger of Laurentian University, Canada, have speculated that changes in geomagnetic fields (created, e.g., by tectonic stresses in the Earth's crust or solar activity) could stimulate the brain's temporal lobes and produce many of the experiences associated with hauntings. Sound is thought to be another cause of supposed sightings. Richard Lord and Richard Wiseman have concluded that infrasound can cause humans to experience bizarre feelings in a room, such as anxiety, extreme sorrow, a feeling of being watched, or even the chills. Carbon monoxide poisoning, which can cause changes in perception of the visual and auditory systems was speculated upon as a possible explanation for haunted houses as early as 1921

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Religion causes wars, seperation and hatred.. pretty much all the world wars happend is cause of religion especially the war were in now. Why dont we have sepation of church and state? and why do we have in god we trust printed on our money, thats rediculous and offensive. As an atheist i cant prove or disprove that god is or isnt real, but by using reason and logic i can tell you that he is not. Why cant people just say i dont know? Yea im sure god created everything including the human eye and lung, do yall have any idea how complex those 2 parts are? Yea he created complex parts but our immune systems are weak and our teeth fall out. Sorry but he couldve done more than a half ass creation job. Back in the early times they used to think diseases and plagues were the devils work, but we now know that it wasnt. They thought the earth was flat, yea ooooook. There is no such thing as a soul, thats just an expression and there are no miracles either. The only higher power we have is energy, theres bad and good energy thats it. I cant beleive after thousands of years people still beleive in the bible bullsh*t. I think the worst religions out there is christinity and islam. Christians always try to push that bullsh*t that i need to be saved. saved from what?? yea ok buddy.. And muslims well you know they allow beating of women and stoning people to death and look down on women. and they say religion is a good thing.. yea and santa clause is my cousin.. and whats the deal with ban on gay marriage, i mean who really gives a sh*t, thats obviously a christian hangup. Free country my ass. Im done with this rant i can keep going and going. peace


War is not caused by religion, war is caused by evil greedy people. Religion is their front.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:03 PM - 18 August, 2010
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War is not caused by religion, war is caused by evil greedy people. Religion is their front.


War is caused by WOMEN.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:08 PM - 18 August, 2010
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War is not caused by religion, war is caused by evil greedy people. Religion is their front.


You 100% right......and religion has been their front since evil greedy people started the concept of religions thousands of years ago
SteadFast 4:12 PM - 18 August, 2010
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War is not caused by religion, war is caused by evil greedy people. Religion is their front.


War is caused by WOMEN.

I mean yes women are the root of all evil, but its only when the women has completely transformed the man into evil and greedy
SteadFast 4:14 PM - 18 August, 2010
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War is not caused by religion, war is caused by evil greedy people. Religion is their front.


You 100% right......and religion has been their front since evil greedy people started the concept of religions thousands of years ago

Remember people that claimed they were "religious" killed Jesus, and the bible says there is only one true religion that is pleasing to Him. That religion is to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being polluted by the world.
DJ Sniffles 5:08 PM - 18 August, 2010
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War is not caused by religion, war is caused by evil greedy people. Religion is their front.


You 100% right......and religion has been their front since evil greedy people started the concept of religions thousands of years ago


Snap!
SteadFast 5:32 PM - 18 August, 2010
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War is not caused by religion, war is caused by evil greedy people. Religion is their front.


You 100% right......and religion has been their front since evil greedy people started the concept of religions thousands of years ago


Snap!

yeah thats based on nothing. Evil greedy people started religion? How was muhammed, jesus, abraham or any of them greedy?
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:56 PM - 18 August, 2010
Those guys may not have been but I dont consider those guys as the founders of "religion". Those guys had some great teaching, then the people after them took those teachings and used them for personal gain. For example which book of the bible did jesus hiself write?? How many churches did he physically build and profit from?

In current day context mother teresa was a great nonselfish person who was a great example of how to live.....if i make a blockbuster movie about her life and advertise it and market it sell tickets to it and start selling mother teresa coffee mugs at burger king, and make a mother teresa xbox game I may be using her selfless ideas but my motives are 100% in the opposite direction for everything she stood for. Even if the movie promotes her great values.
FunkyRob 8:18 PM - 18 August, 2010
For a bunch of dude that play records, some of you are some smart deep thinking mother funkers.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:33 PM - 18 August, 2010
Thanks!
Banana_Peter 8:33 PM - 18 August, 2010
I play mad Kirk Franklin music at parties
DLBreaks 10:38 PM - 18 August, 2010
The reason i put i cant prove or disprove theres god or no god, is cause i knew one of yall would ask me that question thats why i said, and then to back that up i said but by using reason and logic i know there isnt one, there surely is not one shred of evidence of god devil heaven hell ghost etc.. And yes religion caused most wars in the world. Name one war or revolution that hasnt been caused by religious beleifs.
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Ok... Here's s couple questions for you none God loving folks..
Do you guys believe in satanic or demonic forces?
Do you guys believe in ghosts?
Because according to your logic - if God is not real. Neither is satan..

There are entities out here that can mess ya up if you dabble too deep..

no i dont beleive in satanic or demonic forces
no i dont beleive in ghosts. And yes neither god or satan is real, its just us, and all of us have only one life to live, since theres no proof of afterlife, so live your life to the fullest and make the best of it.
AKIEM 11:06 PM - 18 August, 2010
I always choose restaurants run by religious people. I would rather have a guy cook my food who believes there is someone watching him do it.
SteadFast 11:35 PM - 18 August, 2010
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I always choose restaurants run by religious people. I would rather have a guy cook my food who believes there is someone watching him do it.

lol
true
RogerRabbit 12:35 AM - 19 August, 2010
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you dont think your subconscience is at work while your awake?? Theyve done scientific experiments where they run an electrical current to stimulate a particular part of the subconscience and in every case the person recieving the current report the feeling of a "presence" in the room with them


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A Rational Look at Ghosts
A Scientific Explanation for a Worldwide Paranormal Belief
Nov 12, 2008 Robert Harrand

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It is of course possible that ghosts exist, their existence cannot be completely disproved. But from a scientific point of view, there is a simpler and more rational explanation of this and many related phenomena.



Why did you even post this if the author contradicts himself in the last paragraph..


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no i dont beleive in satanic or demonic forces
no i dont beleive in ghosts. And yes neither god or satan is real, its just us, and all of us have only one life to live, since theres no proof of afterlife, so live your life to the fullest and make the best of it.


I'll give you guys a pass on the paranormal stuff because I was once a big skeptic once upon a time, and called it all bullshit..until....
DLBreaks 12:39 AM - 19 August, 2010
^ until nothing, yea exactly..
yall still have no proof of a higher power or a creator or afterlife.. souls, miracles and luck are all just expressions anyway theres no such thing.
FunkyRob 12:51 AM - 19 August, 2010
I want to see Criss Angel turn water into wine.

I bet he could do it.
DLBreaks 12:59 AM - 19 August, 2010
criss angel is a fake, its all just illusions
RogerRabbit 1:13 AM - 19 August, 2010
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^ until nothing, yea exactly..
yall still have no proof of a higher power or a creator or afterlife.. souls, miracles and luck are all just expressions anyway theres no such thing.


I got my PROOF, unfortunately you don't..... Not really my place to convince anyone of anything...maybe one day you'll come around, maybe not...

But you can stay a uninformed non-believer..
FunkyRob 1:15 AM - 19 August, 2010
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criss angel is a fake, its all just illusions


My point exactly
DLBreaks 1:15 AM - 19 August, 2010
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^ until nothing, yea exactly..
yall still have no proof of a higher power or a creator or afterlife.. souls, miracles and luck are all just expressions anyway theres no such thing.


I got my PROOF, unfortunately you don't..... Not really my place to convince anyone of anything...maybe one day you'll come around, maybe not...

But you can stay a uninformed non-believer..


Your proof is all in your head buddy
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:02 AM - 19 August, 2010
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^ until nothing, yea exactly..
yall still have no proof of a higher power or a creator or afterlife.. souls, miracles and luck are all just expressions anyway theres no such thing.


I got my PROOF, unfortunately you don't..... Not really my place to convince anyone of anything...maybe one day you'll come around, maybe not...

But you can stay a uninformed non-believer..


So what made you a believer?
DLBreaks 2:06 AM - 19 August, 2010
what believer? i dont beleive in anything unless theres evidence and proof
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:11 AM - 19 August, 2010
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what believer? i dont beleive in anything unless theres evidence and proof


Ok, so where did man come from?
drmemory 2:30 AM - 19 August, 2010
ok... prove to me that you are real
DLBreaks 2:52 AM - 19 August, 2010
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what believer? i dont beleive in anything unless theres evidence and proof


Ok, so where did man come from?


well noone really knows how the universe got started and they say we came from monkeys, which could be true since humans and monkeys have the same dna. but to assume that someone created us without any proof or evidence exept some book that was written thousands of years ago and they thought the earth was flat back then
DLBreaks 2:52 AM - 19 August, 2010
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ok... prove to me that you are real


yea ok what is this are you smarter than a 5th grader comon bro
RogerRabbit 4:09 AM - 19 August, 2010
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^ until nothing, yea exactly..
yall still have no proof of a higher power or a creator or afterlife.. souls, miracles and luck are all just expressions anyway theres no such thing.


I got my PROOF, unfortunately you don't..... Not really my place to convince anyone of anything...maybe one day you'll come around, maybe not...

But you can stay a uninformed non-believer..


So what made you a believer?


I had experiences in things thereof....


Another question:
Prophetic dreams - How do you skeptics explain that? What does science have to say about that? Now, I am not talking about Bible days stuff - I am referring to current day -or should I within my lifetime.. Now, I knew/know people who dreams stuff, and it come true -REPEATEDLY. Now, the dreams are sometimes symbolic - but they would break it down for me and say - this means x,y,z would happen.. or person X is going to do such and such - and the dream always manifested a short time later...

Mystical or just luck?
DLBreaks 4:12 AM - 19 August, 2010
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^ until nothing, yea exactly..
yall still have no proof of a higher power or a creator or afterlife.. souls, miracles and luck are all just expressions anyway theres no such thing.


I got my PROOF, unfortunately you don't..... Not really my place to convince anyone of anything...maybe one day you'll come around, maybe not...

But you can stay a uninformed non-believer..


So what made you a believer?


Dreams dont mean shit, theyr just thoughts that are racing through your head while you sleep.

I had experiences in things thereof....


Another question:
Prophetic dreams - How do you skeptics explain that? What does science have to say about that? Now, I am not talking about Bible days stuff - I am referring to current day -or should I within my lifetime.. Now, I knew/know people who dreams stuff, and it come true -REPEATEDLY. Now, the dreams are sometimes symbolic - but they would break it down for me and say - this means x,y,z would happen.. or person X is going to do such and such - and the dream always manifested a short time later...

Mystical or just luck?
SteadFast 6:40 AM - 19 August, 2010
i dont believe in anything either unless there is evidence and proof, thats why I 100% believe in Jesus.. More proof that Jesus is the Messiah then anything else in this universe. No joke.
DLBreaks 7:06 AM - 19 August, 2010
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i dont believe in anything either unless there is evidence and proof, thats why I 100% believe in Jesus.. More proof that Jesus is the Messiah then anything else in this universe. No joke.


yea im sure jesus is the messiah but not horus and hundreds of other gods. all you got is blind faith man thats all it is
AKIEM 8:24 AM - 19 August, 2010
I just woke up from a prophetic dream.
It was kind symbolic I think - but what I take from it is that this: this thread is going to get locked - but you never know - lets see what happens.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:44 PM - 19 August, 2010
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I'm typing to you, taking in what you're saying, and you're responding.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:48 PM - 19 August, 2010
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what believer? i dont beleive in anything unless theres evidence and proof


Ok, so where did man come from?


well noone really knows how the universe got started and they say we came from monkeys, which could be true since humans and monkeys have the same dna. but to assume that someone created us without any proof or evidence exept some book that was written thousands of years ago and they thought the earth was flat back then


You said, "I don't believe in anything unless there's evidence and proof". So it's obvious that I'm real. So where did I come from? My parents, and their parents before them, and so on and so forth.

All that is REAL.

Now what started it? "You say no one really knows", so technically there's no proof according to you, so technically, I don't exist, because you can't prove where I came from, if we follow your logic.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:50 PM - 19 August, 2010
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So what made you a believer?


I had experiences in things thereof....


Okaaayyyyy......like what?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:51 PM - 19 August, 2010
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It was kind symbolic I think - but what I take from it is that this: this thread is going to get locked - but you never know - lets see what happens.


It is NOT going to get locked.

Why bring Negative energy here? This is a healthy debate, and noone has taken this to the left.

Grown men talking.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:25 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Why did you even post this if the author contradicts himself in the last paragraph..


Easy read what the author said

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It is of course possible that ghosts exist, their existence cannot be completely disproved. But from a scientific point of view, there is a simpler and more rational explanation of this and many related phenomena.


then read what i said as my stance on the issue

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I have neither belief nor disbelief on either case but i do dout that either exist. Most ghost cases are caused by ones own subconscience mind. Which is why most are the same across the board


The author is saying the same thing i said, it can neither be proven or disproven. I was simply stating the scientific reasons that could possibly explain the phenomina that some people experience since you told me "i have no idea what im talking about" when i said that most if not all experiences can be explained scientifically
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:26 PM - 19 August, 2010
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^ until nothing, yea exactly..
yall still have no proof of a higher power or a creator or afterlife.. souls, miracles and luck are all just expressions anyway theres no such thing.


I got my PROOF, unfortunately you don't..... Not really my place to convince anyone of anything...maybe one day you'll come around, maybe not...

But you can stay a uninformed non-believer..




Ok I posted scientific reasons explaining most peoples experiences and you posted....err....well....you wont even say what happened...your right your proof trumps ours
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:28 PM - 19 August, 2010
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More proof that Jesus is the Messiah then anything else in this universe. No joke.



What proof is there that he was a messiah??
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:35 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Prophetic dreams - How do you skeptics explain that? What does science have to say about that? Now, I am not talking about Bible days stuff - I am referring to current day -or should I within my lifetime.. Now, I knew/know people who dreams stuff, and it come true -REPEATEDLY. Now, the dreams are sometimes symbolic - but they would break it down for me and say - this means x,y,z would happen.. or person X is going to do such and such - and the dream always manifested a short time later...

Mystical or just luck?



Easy 1st of all like you said most are symbolic, dreams are abstract you can interpret them to mean whatever you want so when something happens its easy to look back and go OHHH THATS WHAT THEY WAS TRYING TO SAY. Also alot of people "predict things" that are things they already know. I was listening to a radio show yestersday and this lady called in saying she had phophectic dreams and her example was she dreampt her sis would die in 2 years and she did. Thing is she already knew her sister had advanced cancer, odds are in some conversation even in passing someone prob told her Drs gave her an ETA On how long she had from medical experience and a year isnt exactly a pinpoint date.

Also when your dreaming your subconscience brain (which is VERY powerful) is still thinking and calculating, sowhen you get this "bad feeling that something bad will happen tommarrow" it could be any number of things that have alread indicated such. Lets say some time durring the day you look and see your sure needles arent in your gig bag and you think hmmm i need to put those in the bag and you dont, yuor subconscience may be trying to remind you through dreaming because you KNOW your gig will not go as planned without needled. The next day you show up to the gig...no needles....OHHH I HAD A DREAM THAT SAID TODAY WOULD BE BAD IT WAS AN OMEN....nope it was just your brain at work as normal

Also look how many dreams evgery person has every night. Bad and good stuff happens EVERY DAY. Statistically its not off for some random thing that happens in some random dream to occur in reality SOMEWHERE.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:44 PM - 19 August, 2010
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You said, "I don't believe in anything unless there's evidence and proof". So it's obvious that I'm real. So where did I come from? My parents, and their parents before them, and so on and so forth.

All that is REAL.

Now what started it? "You say no one really knows", so technically there's no proof according to you, so technically, I don't exist, because you can't prove where I came from, if we follow your logic.


This may be kinda hard for you to grasp (no diss this thread is fun lol) But you make it seem obvious your real....how do WE know your real...most of us have NEVER seen you in real life all we see are words, i know its right next to impossible but its not IMPOSSIBLE that none of you people are real, that theres some supercomputer somewhere postin requests to the things I type.

Even if one was to meet you in person theres no gaurentee of reality, you could be a dream, you could be a figimint of my imagination caused by some mental illness, right now i could be hooked up to a machine which is sending electrical inpulses to my brain simulating sight smell and touch and NONE of this is real even me typing.

The logic behind this is that everything i experience is simply electrical signals being sent from the nerves in my hands, nose, eyes, ears ect being sent to my brain which does MASSIVE calculations to put it all together and project a sense of awareness. Its not unfeasable to cosider the reality that you could artificially send those signals to the brain and paint a picture without the acutual material being there.

Ready to really have your mind fried......look around you, see how colorful everything is....none of those objects are acutually that color, its the the wavelength of the light that reflected off the object, the object retains some of the wavelength and bounces the rest off your eyes catch that and your brain processes that signal to give the object "color".

How about this...go in a room by yourself and close your eyes....now open them...whos to say your not opening your eyes for the 1st time in this reality....your memories are all just electrical signals stored from electrical input. Its not unfeasable that one could wipe it clean and puttheir own false electrical signals that would cause you to have memories up to the point where you opened your eyes causing you to BELIEVE you were that person who had been in that life all along who just walked into a room and closed his eyes for a second because some jackass on the internet told you too.


Do you really think thats air your breathing.....hmhmh
AKIEM 2:45 PM - 19 August, 2010
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I just woke up from a prophetic dream.
It was kinda symbolic I think - but what I take from it is that this: this thread is going to get locked - but you never know - lets see what happens.


It is NOT going to get locked.

Why bring Negative energy here? This is a healthy debate, and noone has taken this to the left.

Grown men talking.


a) I actually did have such a dream
b) its called a joke
c) just a prediction bassed on the subject matter and the track record of some people involved
d) I hate this thread and hope it gets locked because I am a hater
e) bringing up getting locked like a little reminder hoping that it wont
f) I hope it gets locked because I hate religion
g) this thread is already full of negativity - you just dont see it

some of these are true, some of them are not, but they are all something to think about before accusing me of bringing negativity in here.

and one thing I have learned is that you can not assume that its grown men in here talking.
AKIEM 2:47 PM - 19 August, 2010
and yeah man - havnt you seen the Matrix
AKIEM 2:47 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Dj-M.Bezzle 2:53 PM - 19 August, 2010
the alotof the matrix concept was acutually based not only on the context of several religions but on some basic philisophical questions and principles that go back hundreds of years
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:18 PM - 19 August, 2010
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a) I actually did have such a dream
b) its called a joke
c) just a prediction bassed on the subject matter and the track record of some people involved
d) I hate this thread and hope it gets locked because I am a hater
e) bringing up getting locked like a little reminder hoping that it wont
f) I hope it gets locked because I hate religion
g) this thread is already full of negativity - you just dont see it

some of these are true, some of them are not, but they are all something to think about before accusing me of bringing negativity in here.

and one thing I have learned is that you can not assume that its grown men in here talking.



a. OK
b. OK, but not really.
c. I feel as though we (as a whole on this board), can discuss anything with some level of civility. It's called growth. Yeah, you're gonna have your jokesters, but most of us are tired of it, and can ignore them.
d. You're not a hater, you're something, but not a hater.
e. I've got that under control. You just don't see it.
f. Then why is your name AKIEM? I alway thought that was a reliously based name.
g. The little amount of negativity is grossly outweighed by the amount of positive energy, and those who are just curious about other religions.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:19 PM - 19 August, 2010
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and yeah man - havnt you seen the Matrix


I've seen it, but am not a movie buff, and don't often recall movie lines if there is a reference.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:39 PM - 19 August, 2010
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a) I actually did have such a dream
b) its called a joke
c) just a prediction bassed on the subject matter and the track record of some people involved
d) I hate this thread and hope it gets locked because I am a hater
e) bringing up getting locked like a little reminder hoping that it wont
f) I hope it gets locked because I hate religion
g) this thread is already full of negativity - you just dont see it

some of these are true, some of them are not, but they are all something to think about before accusing me of bringing negativity in here.

and one thing I have learned is that you can not assume that its grown men in here talking.



a. OK
b. OK, but not really.
c. I feel as though we (as a whole on this board), can discuss anything with some level of civility. It's called growth. Yeah, you're gonna have your jokesters, but most of us are tired of it, and can ignore them.
d. You're not a hater, you're something, but not a hater.
e. I've got that under control. You just don't see it.
f. Then why is your name AKIEM? I alway thought that was a reliously based name.
g. The little amount of negativity is grossly outweighed by the amount of positive energy, and those who are just curious about other religions.


questioning something that dosent make sense is not negativity, also stating facts that show someone is most likley wrong is not negativity. It just seems like that when you dont have anything of substance to say back
RogerRabbit 3:44 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Easy 1st of all like you said most are symbolic, dreams are abstract you can interpret them to mean whatever you want so when something happens its easy to look back and go OHHH THATS WHAT THEY WAS TRYING TO SAY. Also alot of people "predict things" that are things they already know.

No, you don't get it -symbolic meaning characters or places in the dream may not be a exact representation of themselves - for example in the dream, you may be a animal with a hairstyle just like your or warring your watch - something of the sort.. And I wasn't talking about self fulfilling profecies or impending consequences of aliments.. What's the scienfic explaination of dreaming about something, and it goes down almost exactly the same way as the dream a short time later?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:46 PM - 19 August, 2010
Just because something "doesn't make sense to you" does NOT mean it doesn't make sense in general.

The Negativity comment is against something that makes sense to MILLIONS of people.

You are assuming the person who doesn't "believe" or has questions is "stating facts". That's BS.

Anything of substance to say back is up to the person who is on the receiving end. The person can respond back with "Substance", but that person receiving the information, may not UNDERSTAND IT, thus deem it not "Factual" or having "Substance".
RogerRabbit 3:53 PM - 19 August, 2010
Lol @ those wanting the thread locked - we discussed everything under the sun on this board - but people get uncomfortable at tabu topics...

If you don't want to discuss religion, don't read the thread - it's that simple.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:00 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Lol @ those wanting the thread locked - we discussed everything under the sun on this board - but people get uncomfortable at tabu topics...

If you don't want to discuss religion, don't read the thread - it's that simple.


Anything can be discussed as long as the thread is kept on track and those who want to sidetrack it are immediately exposed for what they're attempting, or how in can be interpreted in a "negative" manner.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:03 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Just because something "doesn't make sense to you" does NOT mean it doesn't make sense in general.

The Negativity comment is against something that makes sense to MILLIONS of people.

You are assuming the person who doesn't "believe" or has questions is "stating facts". That's BS.

Anything of substance to say back is up to the person who is on the receiving end. The person can respond back with "Substance", but that person receiving the information, may not UNDERSTAND IT, thus deem it not "Factual" or having "Substance".


if someone says they believe in ghosts and i state scientific evidence that demonstrates the logical reason behind most ghost experieces and the person replies with well i believe anyway. The believer is NOT presenting any facts, is not even considering the logic and reasoning behind the facts presented, and yet the one stating the facts is viewed as the "negative" one


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The Negativity comment is against something that makes sense to MILLIONS of people.


This isnt logical either because for the millions who believe 1 religion there are eqaually other millions that think dosent make sense because it conflicts with what THEIR belief says makes sense. Just because something "makes sence" to someone dosent make it logical or correct. For something to be logically accurate it should be able to hold up to questioning, thats what the scientific method is theres for
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:09 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Easy 1st of all like you said most are symbolic, dreams are abstract you can interpret them to mean whatever you want so when something happens its easy to look back and go OHHH THATS WHAT THEY WAS TRYING TO SAY. Also alot of people "predict things" that are things they already know.

No, you don't get it -symbolic meaning characters or places in the dream may not be a exact representation of themselves - for example in the dream, you may be a animal with a hairstyle just like your or warring your watch - something of the sort.. And I wasn't talking about self fulfilling profecies or impending consequences of aliments.. What's the scienfic explaination of dreaming about something, and it goes down almost exactly the same way as the dream a short time later?


you can use logic and reasoning to make an educated guess about how something will go down. In about half an hour im going to clock out for lunch, drive to fresh market, park in the spot i always will, buy 1 of the 4 things i have been getting from there recently, and drive back. This COULD all change but odds are do to the the facts I know, like when i get hungry, where the easiest to park is, my temperment of the moment, the wether, how much sleep i got ect ect my brain can pretty accuratley picture about what is going to happen. Same thing happens when your sleeping, your brain is doing a diagnostic of your body as well as processing the days information, memories, what youve learned ect. All that info could easily affect how your next day goes.
DJ ENUF 4:40 PM - 19 August, 2010
According to the laws of quantum physics and string theory, the whole time space equlibrium is only linear from our perspective. This would explain how people have prophetic dreams because they've allready experienced everything their just not aware of it consciously.
SteadFast 4:48 PM - 19 August, 2010
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i dont believe in anything either unless there is evidence and proof, thats why I 100% believe in Jesus.. More proof that Jesus is the Messiah then anything else in this universe. No joke.


yea im sure jesus is the messiah but not horus and hundreds of other gods. all you got is blind faith man thats all it is

What is blind faith? There is way too much evidence for blind faith!
SteadFast 4:58 PM - 19 August, 2010
There is more evidence of Jesus being the messiah then the united states actually landing on the moon. The likelihood of success was calculated to be so small that it is inconceivable the moon landings could have actually taken place. Bill Kaysing has claimed that the chance of a successful landing on the moon was calculated to be 0.0017% (1 in 60,000).

In Science Speaks, Dr. Stoner looks at the probability that one man, Jesus Christ, could have fulfilled even 8 of the 300 prophecies that pertain to Him in the Bible. The probability of one man fulfilling all eight prophecies, the principal of probability is applied. Therefore, multiplying all eight probabilities together (1 times 2.8 x 105 x 103 x 102 x 103 x 103 x 105 x 103 x 104) gives us 2.8 x 1028, or for simplicity sake 1 x 1028 or 1 in 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.

They say there is nothing in this universe that can match those probabilities, which would leave me to conclude that Jesus being the messiah is the truest thing mankind has ever known.
RogerRabbit 5:06 PM - 19 August, 2010
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According to the laws of quantum physics and string theory, the whole time space equlibrium is only linear from our perspective. This would explain how people have prophetic dreams because they've allready experienced everything their just not aware of it consciously.

If you've never been in a deeply religious atmosphere or deeply religious people - then some things you will just never know..
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:17 PM - 19 August, 2010
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i dont believe in anything either unless there is evidence and proof, thats why I 100% believe in Jesus.. More proof that Jesus is the Messiah then anything else in this universe. No joke.


yea im sure jesus is the messiah but not horus and hundreds of other gods. all you got is blind faith man thats all it is

What is blind faith? There is way too much evidence for blind faith!


lol WHAT EVIDENCE
SteadFast 5:19 PM - 19 August, 2010
all the prophecies fulfilled. Didn't I just post the probability of him fulfilling 8, but he fulfilled over 300.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:20 PM - 19 August, 2010
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According to the laws of quantum physics and string theory, the whole time space equlibrium is only linear from our perspective. This would explain how people have prophetic dreams because they've allready experienced everything their just not aware of it consciously.

If you've never been in a deeply religious atmosphere or deeply religious people - then some things you will just never know..

your right cults do make you experience wierd things

String theory WOULD explain it but string theory and religious concepts dont really go hand and hand
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:22 PM - 19 August, 2010
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all the prophecies fulfilled. Didn't I just post the probability of him fulfilling 8, but he fulfilled over 300.



what propheys were fulfilled??
SteadFast 5:24 PM - 19 August, 2010
Seriously? or are you being sarcastic?
SteadFast 5:25 PM - 19 August, 2010
How about I just give you the ones that he for sure could not have made happen on his own?
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:31 PM - 19 August, 2010
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How about I just give you the ones that he for sure could not have made happen on his own?

sure shoot away
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:33 PM - 19 August, 2010
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There is more evidence of Jesus being the messiah then the united states actually landing on the moon.


That is deep.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:34 PM - 19 August, 2010
but before you do remember that prophseys are funney things because its easy to look back in hindsight and say OH that was fulfilling a prophesey. Its the same with the nostrodomus propheceys which were intentially vague and given long enough time frame were bound to repeat (as most of his prophecys were things that had happened before). Also when dealing with old language stuff translations are often interprited TO fullfill a future prediction. Remember you can reorganise the letters of the book mobye dick to make prophecys that acutally occured when interpritted correctly
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:36 PM - 19 August, 2010
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There is more evidence of Jesus being the messiah then the united states actually landing on the moon.


That is deep.



its also inaccurate, any and all evidence of this is taken from books we cant even identify if the man REALLY existed. On the other hand the people who landed on the moon are still alive and can be asked, theres also physical evidnce that we go into space and theyve brought things back.....we have NONE of this when it comes to religion, we have 0 physical evidence any of this happend except for books that all give differnt accounts and dont agree and have been translated dozens of times through several different languages.

Even if they faked the moon landing there alot more hard evidence that it happened.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:39 PM - 19 August, 2010
All documentation of the moon landing indicates a common result that an DID land on the moon, even if their fake they all agree with the lie. The Koron for example says jesus WASNT the mesaiah, so right there we have conflicting evidence from an official source, one that has NOT been translated and butchered like the king james version of the bible
SteadFast 5:40 PM - 19 August, 2010
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but before you do remember that prophseys are funney things because its easy to look back in hindsight and say OH that was fulfilling a prophesey. Its the same with the nostrodomus propheceys which were intentially vague and given long enough time frame were bound to repeat (as most of his prophecys were things that had happened before). Also when dealing with old language stuff translations are often interprited TO fullfill a future prediction. Remember you can reorganise the letters of the book mobye dick to make prophecys that acutally occured when interpritted correctly


I understand what your saying, and I agree, thats why I believe in Jesus so much. Too many prophecies were fulfilled, and too many of them were very specific.

Look into all the prophecies about where he would be born. He couldn't of made that happen and thats something that is very specific. Look at the prophecies about His human lineage. This is also very specific, and theres a lot of them dealing with this. The prophecies on where he would die, how he would die, the prophecy that when he was being murdered none of his bones would be broken, which is interesting because during that time during a crucifixion it was common for the leg to be broken to speed up the death.

I have not found anything in other religions that even comes close to this kind of truth.
RogerRabbit 5:43 PM - 19 August, 2010
Bezzle, you say your not an atheist, so what is your official stance on religion?
SteadFast 5:45 PM - 19 August, 2010
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There is more evidence of Jesus being the messiah then the united states actually landing on the moon.


That is deep.



its also inaccurate, any and all evidence of this is taken from books we cant even identify if the man REALLY existed. On the other hand the people who landed on the moon are still alive and can be asked, theres also physical evidnce that we go into space and theyve brought things back.....we have NONE of this when it comes to religion, we have 0 physical evidence any of this happend except for books that all give differnt accounts and dont agree and have been translated dozens of times through several different languages.

Even if they faked the moon landing there alot more hard evidence that it happened.


No one really denies that he existed, Historians even recognize the existence of Jesus. So thats not an accurate point made.
The bible also is recognized as a historical reference. Theres a lot of proof out there bro if you just take the time to do a little study on it. Check out systematic theology.
SteadFast 5:47 PM - 19 August, 2010
You dont need blind faith to believe in Jesus, too much proof for all that.. But you do need faith to call him your lord and savior.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:47 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Bezzle, you say your not an atheist, so what is your official stance on religion?



Agnostic, who practices pastafarian views
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:48 PM - 19 August, 2010
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The bible also is recognized as a historical reference. Theres a lot of proof out there bro if you just take the time to do a little study on it. Check out systematic theology.


If the bible is a historical reference so is the koran and both of those storys CONFLICT
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:48 PM - 19 August, 2010
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You dont need blind faith to believe in Jesus, too much proof for all that.. But you do need faith to call him your lord and savior.


Nice distinction there. Makes sense.
SteadFast 5:50 PM - 19 August, 2010
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The bible also is recognized as a historical reference. Theres a lot of proof out there bro if you just take the time to do a little study on it. Check out systematic theology.


If the bible is a historical reference so is the koran and both of those storys CONFLICT


I dont deny the people of the koran existed
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:50 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Theres a lot of proof out there bro if you just take the time to do a little study on it. Check out systematic theology.


Theres not though, every major religion has the "proof" that their right and the others are wrong. Yes its very obvious is you only study why your right but when you look into other belief systems its not so clear anymore.....its a FACT that the way these beilef systems are setup (that their right)that SOMEONE is wrong.
SteadFast 5:50 PM - 19 August, 2010
they deny christ is lord thats the only problem
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:50 PM - 19 August, 2010
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The bible also is recognized as a historical reference. Theres a lot of proof out there bro if you just take the time to do a little study on it. Check out systematic theology.


If the bible is a historical reference so is the koran and both of those storys CONFLICT


I dont deny the people of the koran existed

yes but that religion states that jesus was NOT the mesiah
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:51 PM - 19 August, 2010
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they deny christ is lord thats the only problem


Gotchu, so NOBODY IS DISPUTING that Jesus was born. (Some will question if he came from a virgin), but not the fact that he was a living person.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:51 PM - 19 August, 2010
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i havent denied anything im simply pointing out loopholes in your argument
SteadFast 5:54 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Theres a lot of proof out there bro if you just take the time to do a little study on it. Check out systematic theology.


Theres not though, every major religion has the "proof" that their right and the others are wrong. Yes its very obvious is you only study why your right but when you look into other belief systems its not so clear anymore.....its a FACT that the way these beilef systems are setup (that their right)that SOMEONE is wrong.


Nah bro, Ive done a lot of studies on different religions, and taken a lot of classes on it. Too many holes in the others. And none of them have prophecies being fulfilled like Jesus. Take mormonism for instance, how many times have they made a prophecy and it didn't come true so they revised their teachings.

If I ever found one prophecy in the bible that ended up being false then id have to stop believing right? But that will never happen, there is too many people trying to prove the bible wrong and its funny because it will never happen.
SteadFast 5:56 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Gotchu, so NOBODY IS DISPUTING that Jesus was born. (Some will question if he came from a virgin), but not the fact that he was a living person.


Thats what i've found in my studies with all the major religions. They all believe he was a good teacher, and a prophet they just dont believe he is the messiah. Which to me is crazy because how can you call him good yet not believe he is the messiah when he claims to be. That would mean he is a liar, and a false prophet, but all the mean religions are calling him a prophet and a good teacher.
SteadFast 5:57 PM - 19 August, 2010
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i havent denied anything im simply pointing out loopholes in your argument


I'm sorry can you restate the loopholes?
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:58 PM - 19 August, 2010
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If I ever found one prophecy in the bible that ended up being false then id have to stop believing right? But that will never happen, there is too many people trying to prove the bible wrong and its funny because it will never happen.


The bible your reading was rewritten and translated even if it WAS true its not the same official spoken word, if your going by book the koran holds more water because it was never tampered with. Both books were written by man and christianity you can look on real historical events that that religion as a whole was very corrupt institution.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:59 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Thats what i've found in my studies with all the major religions. They all believe he was a good teacher, and a prophet they just dont believe he is the messiah. Which to me is crazy because how can you call him good yet not believe he is the messiah when he claims to be. That would mean he is a liar, and a false prophet, but all the mean religions are calling him a prophet and a good teacher.


You can be a good teacher of man and not be perfect, you can also be a GREAT teacher of man and not be a messiah
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:00 PM - 19 August, 2010
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i havent denied anything im simply pointing out loopholes in your argument


I'm sorry can you restate the loopholes?



1st and formost that there is more evidence that jesus is the messiah than there is of man landing on the moon
SteadFast 6:01 PM - 19 August, 2010
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If I ever found one prophecy in the bible that ended up being false then id have to stop believing right? But that will never happen, there is too many people trying to prove the bible wrong and its funny because it will never happen.


The bible your reading was rewritten and translated even if it WAS true its not the same official spoken word, if your going by book the koran holds more water because it was never tampered with. Both books were written by man and christianity you can look on real historical events that that religion as a whole was very corrupt institution.


I would normally agree with you except.. we still have the original manuscripts. Plus if there was a major discrepancy between translations like the kings james version (which was the first translation in english of the bible) or the niv with the original manuscripts it would be made known. People are always trying to find ways to discredit scripture yet it still hasn't been done.
RogerRabbit 6:01 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Bezzle, you say your not an atheist, so what is your official stance on religion?



Agnostic, who practices pastafarian views

Being agnostic - understandable..
Pastafarian - *shakes head and sighs*
SteadFast 6:03 PM - 19 August, 2010
There are christians that go to college and major in how to read the original manuscripts, so we have christians that are reading the original word spoken.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:05 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Bezzle, you say your not an atheist, so what is your official stance on religion?



Agnostic, who practices pastafarian views

Being agnostic - understandable..
Pastafarian - *shakes head and sighs*



thats what i love about that belief system, if you really look into the idea behind it its genious. It shows the hypocracy of other religions like nothing else on earth. Someone can stand there and say that a big invisible man who just exists because he exists (with no evidence of) snapped his fingers and created existace, but say the EXACT same story but make the big invisible man pasta and its ridiculous
DJ ENUF 6:22 PM - 19 August, 2010
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According to the laws of quantum physics and string theory, the whole time space equlibrium is only linear from our perspective. This would explain how people have prophetic dreams because they've allready experienced everything their just not aware of it consciously.

If you've never been in a deeply religious atmosphere or deeply religious people - then some things you will just never know..

your right cults do make you experience wierd things

String theory WOULD explain it but string theory and religious concepts dont really go hand and hand

i disagree
"'With what can we compare the kingdom of God? It is like a grain of mustard seed"
quantium physics is the only rational model that fits this "word of god."
the only reason new age science and old world religion dont complement each other is the fact that they are 2000 years apart! people then thought the world was flat! no way they could comprehend jesus telling them how the word really is from a scientific viewpoint so analogies were used.
imho science readily confirms my belief that there is definietly more out there than any of us are even meant to comprehend. the fibonacci sequence, the divine proportion, sacred geometry. all of these reoccuring patterns found on the biggest scales and in the smallest calculations are conformation for me that there is a grandiose design at work.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:31 PM - 19 August, 2010
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According to the laws of quantum physics and string theory, the whole time space equlibrium is only linear from our perspective. This would explain how people have prophetic dreams because they've allready experienced everything their just not aware of it consciously.

If you've never been in a deeply religious atmosphere or deeply religious people - then some things you will just never know..

your right cults do make you experience wierd things

String theory WOULD explain it but string theory and religious concepts dont really go hand and hand

i disagree
"'With what can we compare the kingdom of God? It is like a grain of mustard seed"
quantium physics is the only rational model that fits this "word of god."
the only reason new age science and old world religion dont complement each other is the fact that they are 2000 years apart! people then thought the world was flat! no way they could comprehend jesus telling them how the word really is from a scientific viewpoint so analogies were used.
imho science readily confirms my belief that there is definietly more out there than any of us are even meant to comprehend. the fibonacci sequence, the divine proportion, sacred geometry. all of these reoccuring patterns found on the biggest scales and in the smallest calculations are conformation for me that there is a grandiose design at work.



Ill agree to all that...the problem is when you incorporate organised religion into it and start dealing with mans idea of the word of god as spoken through people and written in a book youl immediatley have people at odds with it...which is my greates beef with organised religion, the complete faliure and openness to adapt what was told to what we know know
DJ ENUF 6:35 PM - 19 August, 2010
oh n btw i was baptized, raised catholic and confirmed. now consider myself highly spiritual, but not a practitoner of any single religion. the "word of god" wasnt meant to be taken literally and man has twisted it to fulfill his own needs. im not against organized religion. whatever vessel you use to find spiritual wholeness is yours and yours alone. (good side of religion). more people on this planet have died over religion than anything else (bad side of religion). kinda like ying and yang.....ironic isnt it?
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oh n btw i was baptized, raised catholic and confirmed. now consider myself highly spiritual, but not a practitoner of any single religion. the "word of god" wasnt meant to be taken literally and man has twisted it to fulfill his own needs. im not against organized religion. whatever vessel you use to find spiritual wholeness is yours and yours alone. (good side of religion). more people on this planet have died over religion than anything else (bad side of religion). kinda like ying and yang.....ironic isnt it?



^ +1 on all of this
DJ ENUF 6:39 PM - 19 August, 2010
Ill agree to all that...the problem is when you incorporate organised religion into it and start dealing with mans idea of the word of god as spoken through people and written in a book youl immediatley have people at odds with it...which is my greates beef with organised religion, the complete faliure and openness to adapt what was told to what we know know
yep ive been saying it forever. religion is outdated! and people are at odds and killing each other because of it.
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The bible also is recognized as a historical reference. Theres a lot of proof out there bro if you just take the time to do a little study on it. Check out systematic theology.


If the bible is a historical reference so is the koran and both of those storys CONFLICT


I dont deny the people of the koran existed


The big difference between the Koran's Mohamed and many others so called prophets is that they ruled by violence and war. Jesus rules thru peace and is the only one that didn't have to use violence. Jesus is God and no one can be as powerful as he is. He walked this earth and even the powerful and violent Roman empire feared him. Even the Devil and his demons know that he is the messiah.
DJ ENUF 6:39 PM - 19 August, 2010
i pray to gawd that i learn to quote correctly?
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The crusades, the inquisition, salem witch trials, the destruction of sodom and gamora, people turned topillars of salt, what am i missing here i know im forgetting a few
DJ ENUF 7:06 PM - 19 August, 2010

I would normally agree with you except.. we still have the original manuscripts. Plus if there was a major discrepancy between translations like the kings james version (which was the first translation in english of the bible) or the niv with the original manuscripts it would be made known. People are always trying to find ways to discredit scripture yet it still hasn't been done.
so what about the gnostic gospels i.e book of jubilee, book of thomas, enoch ect?
just because emperor constantine and the rest of the church voted and decided these works which were written by the same apostles that wrote the official cannon went against jesus being divine they arent the word of god? and how could any man/men decide what should be considered the word of god?
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I would normally agree with you except.. we still have the original manuscripts. Plus if there was a major discrepancy between translations like the kings james version (which was the first translation in english of the bible) or the niv with the original manuscripts it would be made known. People are always trying to find ways to discredit scripture yet it still hasn't been done.
so what about the gnostic gospels i.e book of jubilee, book of thomas, enoch ect?
just because emperor constantine and the rest of the church voted and decided these works which were written by the same apostles that wrote the official cannon went against jesus being divine they arent the word of god? and how could any man/men decide what should be considered the word of god?


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they deny christ is lord thats the only problem



i havent denied anything im simply pointing out loopholes in your argument


I'm sorry can you restate the loopholes?



1st and formost that there is more evidence that jesus is the messiah than there is of man landing on the moon



oh yea? show me that evidence
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According to the laws of quantum physics and string theory, the whole time space equlibrium is only linear from our perspective. This would explain how people have prophetic dreams because they've allready experienced everything their just not aware of it consciously.

If you've never been in a deeply religious atmosphere or deeply religious people - then some things you will just never know..

your right cults do make you experience wierd things

String theory WOULD explain it but string theory and religious concepts dont really go hand and hand

i disagree
"'With what can we compare the kingdom of God? It is like a grain of mustard seed"
quantium physics is the only rational model that fits this "word of god."
the only reason new age science and old world religion dont complement each other is the fact that they are 2000 years apart! people then thought the world was flat! no way they could comprehend jesus telling them how the word really is from a scientific viewpoint so analogies were used.
imho science readily confirms my belief that there is definietly more out there than any of us are even meant to comprehend. the fibonacci sequence, the divine proportion, sacred geometry. all of these reoccuring patterns found on the biggest scales and in the smallest calculations are conformation for me that there is a grandiose design at work.

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more people on this planet have died over religion than anything else (bad side of religion). kinda like ying and yang.....ironic isnt it?


He who has nothing to die for has nothing to live for.
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i havent denied anything im simply pointing out loopholes in your argument


I'm sorry can you restate the loopholes?



1st and formost that there is more evidence that jesus is the messiah than there is of man landing on the moon



oh yea? show me that evidence

well 1st off the person who aledgedly went is ALIVE and can bve asked
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more people on this planet have died over religion than anything else (bad side of religion). kinda like ying and yang.....ironic isnt it?


He who has nothing to die for has nothing to live for.


except the people dying are the ones NOT involved with the religion
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i havent denied anything im simply pointing out loopholes in your argument


I'm sorry can you restate the loopholes?



1st and formost that there is more evidence that jesus is the messiah than there is of man landing on the moon


Prophecies and probability.


oh yea? show me that evidence
DLBreaks 7:36 PM - 19 August, 2010
prophecies my ass.. oh yea im this jesus came from a virgin pussy and popped his own mother's cherry thats a good one right. and your christian god is not a loving god at all, he she or it doesnt give a shit
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i havent denied anything im simply pointing out loopholes in your argument


I'm sorry can you restate the loopholes?



1st and formost that there is more evidence that jesus is the messiah than there is of man landing on the moon


Prophecies and probability.


oh yea? show me that evidence

Once again the people who did it are ALIVe, theres video footage, theres tons of paper doccumentation, the science behind it proves its possible, there were the thousands of people who helped build, load, and pack the rocket.....what do you have again...oh a book
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:39 PM - 19 August, 2010
Almost all of the traditions and celevrations in the christian holiday are about the same things and times of ones that the pagans did hundres of years before them, also as i said earlier god went through a HUUUUGE personality change between the old and new testiments which is indicitive of them changing things to attract membership
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prophecies my ass.. oh yea im this jesus came from a virgin pussy and popped his own mother's cherry thats a good one right. and your christian god is not a loving god at all, he she or it doesnt give a shit


LOL, you must not be a believer.

What makes you think our Christian God doesn't "Give a shit"?
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prophecies my ass.. oh yea im this jesus came from a virgin pussy and popped his own mother's cherry thats a good one right. and your christian god is not a loving god at all, he she or it doesnt give a shit
it appears your disbelief comes from an unsettled quarrel you have with the Lord, or else why would you be getting so upset with this healthy debate we are having?
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prophecies my ass.. oh yea im this jesus came from a virgin pussy and popped his own mother's cherry thats a good one right. and your christian god is not a loving god at all, he she or it doesnt give a shit
it appears your disbelief comes from an unsettled quarrel you have with the Lord, or else why would you be getting so upset with this healthy debate we are having?


I too am trying to figure out the "unsettledness" here....like he's mad about something, but I don't want to speculate, but am interested...
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i havent denied anything im simply pointing out loopholes in your argument


I'm sorry can you restate the loopholes?



1st and formost that there is more evidence that jesus is the messiah than there is of man landing on the moon


Prophecies and probability.


oh yea? show me that evidence

Once again the people who did it are ALIVe, theres video footage, theres tons of paper doccumentation, the science behind it proves its possible, there were the thousands of people who helped build, load, and pack the rocket.....what do you have again...oh a book
Okay so if you dont have some kind of video footage you dont believe? So basically any history before video you dont believe? hmm
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:44 PM - 19 August, 2010
Oh, and let's not get it twisted, this isn't a thread where people are trying to get other people to convert to one thing or another...but moreso allowing the space for people who just have Questions about other people's beliefs...

Like I have a 1000 Muslim questions and whatnot....
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prophecies my ass.. oh yea im this jesus came from a virgin pussy and popped his own mother's cherry thats a good one right. and your christian god is not a loving god at all, he she or it doesnt give a shit
it appears your disbelief comes from an unsettled quarrel you have with the Lord, or else why would you be getting so upset with this healthy debate we are having?

thats cause there is no higher power
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prophecies my ass.. oh yea im this jesus came from a virgin pussy and popped his own mother's cherry thats a good one right. and your christian god is not a loving god at all, he she or it doesnt give a shit
it appears your disbelief comes from an unsettled quarrel you have with the Lord, or else why would you be getting so upset with this healthy debate we are having?

thats cause there is no higher power


But it seems that you are agitated. If that's something you believe, wouldn't you be calm about it? Or are you just passionate about your opinion?
SteadFast 7:49 PM - 19 August, 2010
Yeah i'm not trying to convert anyone, but it does break my heart to know that some of the guys I talk to aren't saved, because I want everyone I know to go to heaven.
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it appears your disbelief comes from an unsettled quarrel you have with the Lord, or else why would you be getting so upset with this healthy debate we are having?

thats cause there is no higher power


But it seems that you are agitated. If that's something you believe, wouldn't you be calm about it? Or are you just passionate about your opinion?


if you have no peace how can you be calm?
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But it seems that you are agitated. If that's something you believe, wouldn't you be calm about it? Or are you just passionate about your opinion?


if you have no peace how can you be calm?


Again, I don't want to assume, because he could just be getting all Passionate about his point.

But the whole "Being at peace" with yourself DOES weigh in...
SteadFast 7:58 PM - 19 August, 2010
I know how I was before Christ and I know how I am after. People take medications, get counseling, anger management etc, and still sometimes it doesnt work. I had doubts, but for me to get prayer and be completely changed, for peace just to instantly come over me that didn't compare to any drug I had ever tried is something I can't deny.
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The crusades, the inquisition, salem witch trials, the destruction of sodom and gamora, people turned topillars of salt, what am i missing here i know im forgetting a few


By the numbers...

Preface: God's name can, and always will be, used by people to justify their actions. Just because "God told me to do this" doesn't mean that they're right, it just means that they're using the Lord's name in vain. To hold it against God because there are people exercising their free will to do bad things and to stamp God's name on it isn't "fair", for lack of a better term. For example, say I approached a club owner who has a well-known spot for the house & trance music. I waltz in saying how awesome I am, and use your name on all the promo ads. I then proceed to drop Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, Emily Osment, and Miranda Cosgrove tracks all night, with a few songs by Megadeth and Eminem just to break the monotony. Odds are, the club owner wouldn't be very happy with me, and he'd probably give you an earful and a half if you called him to spin next Saturday, because he thinks I'm you. It's the same principle when someone does things in God's name that are in severe contrast to His nature.

1.) Everyone seems to like pointing to the Crusades as the best example of when religion hits the fan. A history major I am not, but the first few paragraphs on the Wikipedia page lead me to believe that it was as much a political war fought over territory as it was about religion. Did they use religion as an excuse? sure did. Did they use it to keep people joining the army and supporting the fights? The Wiki page makes it seem as such. Does that necessarily mean that God ordained the wars? I'm not convinced.

2.) Still not a history buff, most of the above still applies. They seem to be at variance with the Bible, and yes, human constructs to retain the influence of the church. Obviously, I'm not denying that people have done some pretty sad things with God's supposed rubber stamp.

3.) The Salem Witch Trials were, yet again, as much socio-political as they were religious based, and while the Bible does sternly warn against participating in witchcraft (i.e. supernatural abilities granted by Satan, who as depicted in the Bible has no philanthropic tendencies and thus would only be used for harm), but I could find no evidence to support capital punishment for the offense. Granted I only did some preliminary Google searching, so I could have missed something.

4.) A biblical example taken right out of Genesis. This definitely doesn't fit with the previous two examples, as this was done by God Himself as opposed to the church as an institution in the middle ages. S&G requires a bit of background information though....
God and sin can't coexist. Also, God's omniscience is at variance with the concept of God saying something will happen and then have it not happen. If you disagree with those two principles, fine, but they're required for the point to make sense. S&G was so well known for their sinful ways - and their taking pride in how sinful that they could act - that 4,000-5,000 years later, the city name is STILL synonymous with a blatantly sinful lifestyle. God loved those people. He created them. He gave them all a free will. They chose to see how far they could walk in the opposite direction. He warned them. Repeatedly. They chose to not heed the warning. God's word doesn't come back void, and the city was destroyed. Now, there is a nontrivial possibility that the destruction of these cities was caused by some sort of natural phenomenon, and I'm not opposed to the concept of God using an off-course comet, for example, to burn the cities down. The events described in the passage are a group that God *does* take credit for, so whether the cities were burned using natural or completely metaphysical means is inconsequential to the point as a whole.

5.) On the heels of that, you mention Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt. Again, God said "If you look back, you will turn into a pillar of salt", and she looked back. Again, given the foundational principles above, that's kinda going to happen. Now, the greater question being asked here is why God said it in the first place. God's a jealous God. Not jealous in an insecure, I'm-so-worried-you'll-leave-me kind of jealousy, the kind of jealousy that is inextricably intertwined with love. Do you have a spouse or a significant other? Do you really, fully, love them? Are you worried they're going to leave you? Would you get pissed if you walked in on them with your best friend on top of them? Same general principle here. Now, realize that Lot's family was the only one that was spared from the destruction of the city. When his wife looked back, the description doesn't express a looking back as in looking-at-the-carnage-to-see-what-happened kind of looking back, but a looking back with longing, as in, "God rescued me from there to save me from the imminent destruction, but I still wanna go back so I can sin a bit more with whoever is left". I'd be kinda pissed if I walked in on my future-spouse to save her from carbon monoxide poisoning, only to have her look back and say, "Damn, I wish you would have waited a bit longer so I could have 'finished up' with Brad". Now granted the difference is that Lot's family wasn't participating in the activities of the area, but it's the closest comparison I could come up with off the top of my head.


All of the above said, I must ask the following question: how relevant is it? Is it history? yes. Is it part of the Biblical record? In the cases of points 4 and 5, yes. But I must ask - and I'm not asking to posture myself on the offense, but rather out of a genuine desire for understanding (and as my other posts on this thread hopefully demonstrate, I'm not here to force anyone to convert to anything), is it really the incidents listed above that invoke disbelief?

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so what about the gnostic gospels i.e book of jubilee, book of thomas, enoch ect?
just because emperor constantine and the rest of the church voted and decided these works which were written by the same apostles that wrote the official cannon went against jesus being divine they arent the word of god? and how could any man/men decide what should be considered the word of god?


Simple: if I wrote "The Gospel According to Ananias" today, it wouldn't make it a true Gospel since it was written well after the events they describe. The Gospel according to Thomas was written in the fifth century AD (and by extension NOT written by the Thomas who was Jesus' disciple), and its contents are at significant odds with the contents of the "canonized" Bible. The Old Testament, aka the Torah, had been officially completed for centuries before the birth of Jesus. The New Testament had been completed during the first hundred years following Jesus' death. The four Gospels were either firsthand accounts (Mark and John) or secondhand accounts of close followers of disciples (Matthew and Luke). The manuscripts had been WIDELY circulated, as had the letters Paul had written to the early churches in the epistles. Constantine didn't rewrite the Bible for his ends; he simply made official (and if memory serves, standardized the order in which they were classified) the document that everyone had been following for the last few centuries anyway. It'd be akin to President Obama signing into law the consumer's right to rip CDs into iTunes. Yeah it's great that we now have legislative backing, but it's not like he wrote the program to do it because none had yet existed. The "early church" had already existed, and if Constantine decided to radically alter the documents to serve his purposes, his changes wouldn't have lasted very long in "church land". Even if they did theoretically, he was going up against a group of people who had a VERY strong belief that it was their duty to preserve and distribute the Bible as widely as possible. Early manuscripts of the Bible are among the most plentifully available documents from the era for that reason. I personally am unaware of any major disputes with regards to foundational principles found in the early manuscripts as opposed to the post-Constantine copies.


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thats what i love about that belief system, if you really look into the idea behind it its genious. It shows the hypocracy of other religions like nothing else on earth. Someone can stand there and say that a big invisible man who just exists because he exists (with no evidence of) snapped his fingers and created existace, but say the EXACT same story but make the big invisible man pasta and its ridiculous


Here's the difference: God, as an entity, is completely beyond my understanding. I can't comprehend His physical/metaphysical existence, His power to speak things into existence, or to be quite honest, why He'd choose to create me. The characters in my friend Shannon's virtual world in "The Sims" can't begin to comprehend my existence, either. However, a bowl of pasta is something that is completely known. Its chemical properties, the method by which it came into existence, and the purpose for its existence are all completely known to me, Emeril Legassi, and anyone else that can read Wikipedia. Pasta is, in fact, NOT sentient and, to my knowledge, has never been shown to create anything or show any desire to do so or taken any credit for creating anything that has been created. That is the difference, and why it seems so ridiculous. If you take the actions and known aspects of The Creator and apply them to the creation of the creation, it does seem ridiculous.

However, if God could manifest His existence as a burning bush and a baby wearing a diaper, I'm not discounting the possibility that God could, if He so desired, could shoehorn Himself into a bowl of pasta.

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i havent denied anything im simply pointing out loopholes in your argument


I'm sorry can you restate the loopholes?



1st and formost that there is more evidence that jesus is the messiah than there is of man landing on the moon


Prophecies and probability.


oh yea? show me that evidence

Once again the people who did it are ALIVe, theres video footage, theres tons of paper doccumentation, the science behind it proves its possible, there were the thousands of people who helped build, load, and pack the rocket.....what do you have again...oh a book
Okay so if you dont have some kind of video footage you dont believe? So basically any history before video you dont believe? hmm


I like how you just focus on the video....how about THE MAN WHO DID IT CAN STILL BE ASKED LOL
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Preface: God's name can, and always will be, used by people to justify their actions. Just because "God told me to do this" doesn't mean that they're right, it just means that they're using the Lord's name in vain. To hold it against God because there are people exercising their free will to do bad things and to stamp God's name on it isn't "fair", for lack of a better term. For example, say I approached a club owner who has a well-known spot for the house & trance music. I waltz in saying how awesome I am, and use your name on all the promo ads. I then proceed to drop Justin Bieber, Miley Cyrus, Emily Osment, and Miranda Cosgrove tracks all night, with a few songs by Megadeth and Eminem just to break the monotony. Odds are, the club owner wouldn't be very happy with me, and he'd probably give you an earful and a half if you called him to spin next Saturday, because he thinks I'm you. It's the same principle when someone does things in God's name that are in severe contrast to His nature.

1.) Everyone seems to like pointing to the Crusades as the best example of when religion hits the fan. A history major I am not, but the first few paragraphs on the Wikipedia page lead me to believe that it was as much a political war fought over territory as it was about religion. Did they use religion as an excuse? sure did. Did they use it to keep people joining the army and supporting the fights? The Wiki page makes it seem as such. Does that necessarily mean that God ordained the wars? I'm not convinced.

2.) Still not a history buff, most of the above still applies. They seem to be at variance with the Bible, and yes, human constructs to retain the influence of the church. Obviously, I'm not denying that people have done some pretty sad things with God's supposed rubber stamp.

3.) The Salem Witch Trials were, yet again, as much socio-political as they were religious based, and while the Bible does sternly warn against participating in witchcraft (i.e. supernatural abilities granted by Satan, who as depicted in the Bible has no philanthropic tendencies and thus would only be used for harm), but I could find no evidence to support capital punishment for the offense. Granted I only did some preliminary Google searching, so I could have missed something.

4.) A biblical example taken right out of Genesis. This definitely doesn't fit with the previous two examples, as this was done by God Himself as opposed to the church as an institution in the middle ages. S&G requires a bit of background information though....
God and sin can't coexist. Also, God's omniscience is at variance with the concept of God saying something will happen and then have it not happen. If you disagree with those two principles, fine, but they're required for the point to make sense. S&G was so well known for their sinful ways - and their taking pride in how sinful that they could act - that 4,000-5,000 years later, the city name is STILL synonymous with a blatantly sinful lifestyle. God loved those people. He created them. He gave them all a free will. They chose to see how far they could walk in the opposite direction. He warned them. Repeatedly. They chose to not heed the warning. God's word doesn't come back void, and the city was destroyed. Now, there is a nontrivial possibility that the destruction of these cities was caused by some sort of natural phenomenon, and I'm not opposed to the concept of God using an off-course comet, for example, to burn the cities down. The events described in the passage are a group that God *does* take credit for, so whether the cities were burned using natural or completely metaphysical means is inconsequential to the point as a whole.

5.) On the heels of that, you mention Lot's wife being turned into a pillar of salt. Again, God said "If you look back, you will turn into a pillar of salt", and she looked back. Again, given the foundational principles above, that's kinda going to happen. Now, the greater question being asked here is why God said it in the first place. God's a jealous God. Not jealous in an insecure, I'm-so-worried-you'll-leave-me kind of jealousy, the kind of jealousy that is inextricably intertwined with love. Do you have a spouse or a significant other? Do you really, fully, love them? Are you worried they're going to leave you? Would you get pissed if you walked in on them with your best friend on top of them? Same general principle here. Now, realize that Lot's family was the only one that was spared from the destruction of the city. When his wife looked back, the description doesn't express a looking back as in looking-at-the-carnage-to-see-what-happened kind of looking back, but a looking back with longing, as in, "God rescued me from there to save me from the imminent destruction, but I still wanna go back so I can sin a bit more with whoever is left". I'd be kinda pissed if I walked in on my future-spouse to save her from carbon monoxide poisoning, only to have her look back and say, "Damn, I wish you would have waited a bit longer so I could have 'finished up' with Brad". Now granted the difference is that Lot's family wasn't participating in the activities of the area, but it's the closest comparison I could come up with off the top of my head.


All of the above said, I must ask the following question: how relevant is it? Is it history? yes. Is it part of the Biblical record? In the cases of points 4 and 5, yes. But I must ask - and I'm not asking to posture myself on the offense, but rather out of a genuine desire for understanding (and as my other posts on this thread hopefully demonstrate, I'm not here to force anyone to convert to anything), is it really the incidents listed above that invoke disbelief?



I wasnt using those examples to disprove god, i was using those examples (1st ones the last 2 were because of the nonvilent comment that was used) to show that the way a human being mind works being taught to blindly believe in something that strongly especiallty in a world with so many conflicting beliefs is DEADLY its NEVER worked out and an omnipitant being would know that, its destructive, its wrong and it prevents progress


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Simple: if I wrote "The Gospel According to Ananias" today, it wouldn't make it a true Gospel since it was written well after the events they describe. The Gospel according to Thomas was written in the fifth century AD (and by extension NOT written by the Thomas who was Jesus' disciple), and its contents are at significant odds with the contents of the "canonized" Bible. The Old Testament, aka the Torah, had been officially completed for centuries before the birth of Jesus. The New Testament had been completed during the first hundred years following Jesus' death. The four Gospels were either firsthand accounts (Mark and John) or secondhand accounts of close followers of disciples (Matthew and Luke). The manuscripts had been WIDELY circulated, as had the letters Paul had written to the early churches in the epistles. Constantine didn't rewrite the Bible for his ends; he simply made official (and if memory serves, standardized the order in which they were classified) the document that everyone had been following for the last few centuries anyway. It'd be akin to President Obama signing into law the consumer's right to rip CDs into iTunes. Yeah it's great that we now have legislative backing, but it's not like he wrote the program to do it because none had yet existed. The "early church" had already existed, and if Constantine decided to radically alter the documents to serve his purposes, his changes wouldn't have lasted very long in "church land". Even if they did theoretically, he was going up against a group of people who had a VERY strong belief that it was their duty to preserve and distribute the Bible as widely as possible. Early manuscripts of the Bible are among the most plentifully available documents from the era for that reason. I personally am unaware of any major disputes with regards to foundational principles found in the early manuscripts as opposed to the post-Constantine copies.


At the time most worshipers could not even read so they would not know the chanegs in the book and the acutual the king and religious heads worked very closley together, both were VERY corrupt institutions at the time. And even if it wasnt on porpose just the act of translating can change an eniter meaning, if you ever watch a subtitled movie or play an old NES video game you can see the translations are off because certian words and concepts dont translate well into other languages


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However, a bowl of pasta is something that is completely known. Its chemical properties, the method by which it came into existence, and the purpose for its existence are all completely known to me, Emeril Legassi, and anyone else that can read Wikipedia. Pasta is, in fact, NOT sentient and, to my knowledge, has never been shown to create anything or show any desire to do so or taken any credit for creating anything that has been created. That is the difference, and why it seems so ridiculous. If you take the actions and known aspects of The Creator and apply them to the creation of the creation, it does seem ridiculous.


But you could say thesame thing about humans you KNOW the chemical DNA, componets, and reasons for everything in the human body, you cant pass those on to an omnipitant being, for instance we have a mouth to eat a digestive track and a but to poop....i dont see any of those as traits a diety should possess
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:34 PM - 19 August, 2010
As silly as it may sound i would recomenf the church of FSM to everyone, if you can look past the obviosuly silly overtones theres some good critical thinking info inthere
DJ ENUF 9:46 PM - 19 August, 2010
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Simple: if I wrote "The Gospel According to Ananias" today, it wouldn't make it a true Gospel since it was written well after the events they describe. The Gospel according to Thomas was written in the fifth century AD (and by extension NOT written by the Thomas who was Jesus' disciple), and its contents are at significant odds with the contents of the "canonized" Bible. The Old Testament, aka the Torah, had been officially completed for centuries before the birth of Jesus. The New Testament had been completed during the first hundred years following Jesus' death. The four Gospels were either firsthand accounts (Mark and John) or secondhand accounts of close followers of disciples (Matthew and Luke). The manuscripts had been WIDELY circulated, as had the letters Paul had written to the early churches in the epistles. Constantine didn't rewrite the Bible for his ends; he simply made official (and if memory serves, standardized the order in which they were classified) the document that everyone had been following for the last few centuries anyway. It'd be akin to President Obama signing into law the consumer's right to rip CDs into iTunes. Yeah it's great that we now have legislative backing, but it's not like he wrote the program to do it because none had yet existed. The "early church" had already existed, and if Constantine decided to radically alter the documents to serve his purposes, his changes wouldn't have lasted very long in "church land". Even if they did theoretically, he was going up against a group of people who had a VERY strong belief that it was their duty to preserve and distribute the Bible as widely as possible. Early manuscripts of the Bible are among the most plentifully available documents from the era for that reason. I personally am unaware of any major disputes with regards to foundational principles found in the early manuscripts as opposed to the post-Constantine copies.

The purpose of the council of nicaea was to determine weather jesus was divine or not, to determine the date that would be recognized as easter (they diddnk kno when he was resurrected?), and to determine official cannon law (word of god). Fact is for the first 300 yrs a.d. jesus was regarded as a man. Many scolars believe deity status was given in order to more easily convert pagens to christianity. Believers consider jesus as divine because man said so. Believers consider the official cannon the word of god because man said so.
Does this nil and void him as being the messiah? No. Has his message been greatly miskewed and altered for control purposes. Most definitely so.
I stand by my previous statement and feel if all religions could grasp this concept we would be much better off. Whatever vessel you choose to find spiritual wholeness is yours and yours alone.
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I stand by my previous statement and feel if all religions could grasp this concept we would be much better off. Whatever vessel you choose to find spiritual wholeness is yours and yours alone.


EXACTLY, thats my biggest issue with it and why people like DLBreaks get so irritated. If you want to believe in something thats AWSOME whatever gets you through the day, its when people start pressing their views on ME and trying to dictate the way i should live and start making laws an dstarting wars all over the idea that their is the one and only way that people begin to cross boundries.

I see organised religion similar to if DJ am showed up to your club, ROCKED the crowd, and told you the that to be a good dj you need to play what you want have fun and play for the ladies and you come in the next week drunk as hell and only play britney spears and cuss out and throw things at anyone who wants to hear something else.
RogerRabbit 10:22 PM - 19 August, 2010
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A church created as originally for satire - no thanks - I'll pass.

I kinda know where your coming from, because when I took a philosophy course, my professor asked some really profound questions of "how do you know" & " can you prove". I even had to write a paper for midterm exams against the existence of God.. The class had my belief system all screwed by for a minute, but then, you either remain a skeptic or follow your core beliefs..
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prophecies my ass.. oh yea im this jesus came from a virgin pussy and popped his own mother's cherry thats a good one right. and your christian god is not a loving god at all, he she or it doesnt give a shit
it appears your disbelief comes from an unsettled quarrel you have with the Lord, or else why would you be getting so upset with this healthy debate we are having?

thats cause there is no higher power


But it seems that you are agitated. If that's something you believe, wouldn't you be calm about it? Or are you just passionate about your opinion?


not agitated at all im pretty happy about everything thats going in my life, just stating the obvious that there is no god or a higher power or afterlife or reincarnation.
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prophecies my ass.. oh yea im this jesus came from a virgin pussy and popped his own mother's cherry thats a good one right. and your christian god is not a loving god at all, he she or it doesnt give a shit
it appears your disbelief comes from an unsettled quarrel you have with the Lord, or else why would you be getting so upset with this healthy debate we are having?

thats cause there is no higher power


But it seems that you are agitated. If that's something you believe, wouldn't you be calm about it? Or are you just passionate about your opinion?


if you have no peace how can you be calm?


bro i am a non violent and very peacful person and i dont need any imaginative made up fictional characters to live a happy and full life thats all im saying. and what do i need to be saved from? i never commited murder or rape or never stolen from a neighbor so therefore i didnt commit any sins anyway. people will be way better off by doing meditation rather than praying to a ceiling.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:18 PM - 19 August, 2010
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not agitated at all im pretty happy about everything thats going in my life, just stating the obvious that there is no god or a higher power or afterlife or reincarnation.


Ok, so if it was so "Obvious", why do MILLIONS of people believe it?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:18 PM - 19 August, 2010
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So what exacty do you think of when you Meditate?
DLBreaks 11:24 PM - 19 August, 2010
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not agitated at all im pretty happy about everything thats going in my life, just stating the obvious that there is no god or a higher power or afterlife or reincarnation.


Ok, so if it was so "Obvious", why do MILLIONS of people believe it?


Because theyr gullible and brainwashed and were probably raised that way by their brainwashing parents and society.
DLBreaks 11:27 PM - 19 August, 2010
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So what exacty do you think of when you Meditate?


You say the mantra that was given to you over and over again in your head. Transcendental meditation is a wonderful thing everyone should do it. When i was a kid my grades were so great, but when i started TM i got nothing by As and Bs. Shit works, prayer doesnt. And i dont get the stupid expression, god helps those who help themselves, this is a joke right? Well if people help themselves then what do they need god for. I think the world would be a in a much better place if it wasnt for religion.
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not agitated at all im pretty happy about everything thats going in my life, just stating the obvious that there is no god or a higher power or afterlife or reincarnation.


Ok, so if it was so "Obvious", why do MILLIONS of people believe it?


Because theyr gullible and brainwashed and were probably raised that way by their brainwashing parents and society.


Wow, that's a lot of dumb people.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:11 AM - 20 August, 2010
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So what exacty do you think of when you Meditate?


You say the mantra that was given to you over and over again in your head. Transcendental meditation is a wonderful thing everyone should do it. When i was a kid my grades were so great, but when i started TM i got nothing by As and Bs. Shit works, prayer doesnt. And i dont get the stupid expression, god helps those who help themselves, this is a joke right? Well if people help themselves then what do they need god for. I think the world would be a in a much better place if it wasnt for religion.


Don't you know that Meditation is a form of believing in something that isn't tangable?
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not agitated at all im pretty happy about everything thats going in my life, just stating the obvious that there is no god or a higher power or afterlife or reincarnation.


Ok, so if it was so "Obvious", why do MILLIONS of people believe it?


Because theyr gullible and brainwashed and were probably raised that way by their brainwashing parents and society.


Wow, that's a lot of dumb people.


yea you'r def right about that one
DLBreaks 1:34 AM - 20 August, 2010
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So what exacty do you think of when you Meditate?


You say the mantra that was given to you over and over again in your head. Transcendental meditation is a wonderful thing everyone should do it. When i was a kid my grades were so great, but when i started TM i got nothing by As and Bs. Shit works, prayer doesnt. And i dont get the stupid expression, god helps those who help themselves, this is a joke right? Well if people help themselves then what do they need god for. I think the world would be a in a much better place if it wasnt for religion.


Don't you know that Meditation is a form of believing in something that isn't tangable?


Saying a mantra in your head is not beleiving in something
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So what exacty do you think of when you Meditate?


You say the mantra that was given to you over and over again in your head. Transcendental meditation is a wonderful thing everyone should do it. When i was a kid my grades were so great, but when i started TM i got nothing by As and Bs. Shit works, prayer doesnt. And i dont get the stupid expression, god helps those who help themselves, this is a joke right? Well if people help themselves then what do they need god for. I think the world would be a in a much better place if it wasnt for religion.


Don't you know that Meditation is a form of believing in something that isn't tangable?


Saying a mantra in your head is not beleiving in something


You are believing that saying it over and over will bring you peace. That's no different thatn someone believing in a higher power.

Sorry to break it to you, but you're religious dude.
DLBreaks 3:19 AM - 20 August, 2010
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So what exacty do you think of when you Meditate?


You say the mantra that was given to you over and over again in your head. Transcendental meditation is a wonderful thing everyone should do it. When i was a kid my grades were so great, but when i started TM i got nothing by As and Bs. Shit works, prayer doesnt. And i dont get the stupid expression, god helps those who help themselves, this is a joke right? Well if people help themselves then what do they need god for. I think the world would be a in a much better place if it wasnt for religion.


Don't you know that Meditation is a form of believing in something that isn't tangable?


Saying a mantra in your head is not beleiving in something


You are believing that saying it over and over will bring you peace. That's no different thatn someone believing in a higher power.

Sorry to break it to you, but you're religious dude.


My meditation is extremely far from a religion. I still dont beleive in a higher power, god, jesus, bible, ghosts, afterlife, reincarnation, satan and im not spiritual whatsoever.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:38 AM - 20 August, 2010
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My meditation is extremely far from a religion. I still dont beleive in a higher power, god, jesus, bible, ghosts, afterlife, reincarnation, satan and im not spiritual whatsoever.


If you're meditating, you're spiritual.

Let me explain. If you take a DRUG, or some mind altering substance to, say, make you feel "peace", that's tangable. People can see you take the drug, and can arrest you for being in possession of it.

Now, you saying that you can achieve "Peace" by sitting and "thinking" about something over and over, is causing the same effect of giving you "Peace", but you CAN'T PROVE, that you're really saying the "Mantra" over and over in your head...

Thus not only YOU would be believing this "ritual" would bring you peace, but OTHERS LOOKING AT YOU, would have to accept that you're really saying that in your head, and obtaining peace.
DLBreaks 3:53 AM - 20 August, 2010
im a peaceful person i always was and always will be and its not cause of meditation. meditation and prayer are way different. meditation helps and prayer doesnt. meditation changes things in the brain and prayer doesnt. go read about transcendental meditation. it still doesnt make the point of this thread that god and the bible are real.
RogerRabbit 4:04 AM - 20 August, 2010
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im a peaceful person i always was and always will be and its not cause of meditation. meditation and prayer are way different. meditation helps and prayer doesnt. meditation changes things in the brain and prayer doesnt. go read about transcendental meditation. it still doesnt make the point of this thread that god and the bible are real.

Funny your - transcendental meditation has its roots in religion lol..
DLBreaks 4:12 AM - 20 August, 2010
well you can see it how you want to but im not religious and never was ive been atheist since i was born cause everyone is born an atheist and will stay that way till i die
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a) I actually did have such a dream
b) its called a joke
c) just a prediction bassed on the subject matter and the track record of some people involved
d) I hate this thread and hope it gets locked because I am a hater
e) bringing up getting locked like a little reminder hoping that it wont
f) I hope it gets locked because I hate religion
g) this thread is already full of negativity - you just dont see it

some of these are true, some of them are not, but they are all something to think about before accusing me of bringing negativity in here.

and one thing I have learned is that you can not assume that its grown men in here talking.



c. I feel as though we (as a whole on this board), can discuss anything with some level of civility. It's called growth. Yeah, you're gonna have your jokesters, but most of us are tired of it, and can ignore them.


growth? whos growth, yours or the whole boards? I was tired of peoples antics on this board before you even showed up so...

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What about the first part? You think I want this thread locked?

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e. I've got that under control. You just don't see it.


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f. Then why is your name AKIEM? I alway thought that was a reliously based name.


I was born with my name.

And its not religious - not even when spelled the way it would be in the language that you probably think that it comes from. Which is not how it came to me. But my name is unique in the spelling.

and even if I hated religion, couldnt I have a religious name?

Consequently the most atheistic person I know is named John. How religious is that name?

btw b) and c) are the strong answers, e) comes after that, and g) sort of
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:43 PM - 20 August, 2010
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A church created as originally for satire - no thanks - I'll pass.
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Ya a church that preaches that everyone should be able to believe what they want as long as it makes them happy, a church that preaches that its stupid to argue and go to war over a concept that CANT be proven, a church that basically just says be nice and get along with everyone even if their opinions differ, a church that gives good basic guidelines for current day senarios.....ya who needs that lets stick with rules made 3000 years ago and keep killing and fighting each other until everyone one the planet thinks the same way
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:44 PM - 20 August, 2010
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not agitated at all im pretty happy about everything thats going in my life, just stating the obvious that there is no god or a higher power or afterlife or reincarnation.


Ok, so if it was so "Obvious", why do MILLIONS of people believe it?



millions of people also think lil wayne is one of the greatest MCs of all time
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:46 PM - 20 August, 2010
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My meditation is extremely far from a religion. I still dont beleive in a higher power, god, jesus, bible, ghosts, afterlife, reincarnation, satan and im not spiritual whatsoever.


If you're meditating, you're spiritual.

Let me explain. If you take a DRUG, or some mind altering substance to, say, make you feel "peace", that's tangable. People can see you take the drug, and can arrest you for being in possession of it.

Now, you saying that you can achieve "Peace" by sitting and "thinking" about something over and over, is causing the same effect of giving you "Peace", but you CAN'T PROVE, that you're really saying the "Mantra" over and over in your head...

Thus not only YOU would be believing this "ritual" would bring you peace, but OTHERS LOOKING AT YOU, would have to accept that you're really saying that in your head, and obtaining peace.


inner peace isnt tangable either so wether its religion of meditation nothing tangable it somming from it
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:49 PM - 20 August, 2010
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im a peaceful person i always was and always will be and its not cause of meditation. meditation and prayer are way different. meditation helps and prayer doesnt. meditation changes things in the brain and prayer doesnt. go read about transcendental meditation. it still doesnt make the point of this thread that god and the bible are real.

Funny your - transcendental meditation has its roots in religion lol..

the person who created TM was spiritual not religious
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:55 PM - 20 August, 2010
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people will be way better off by doing meditation rather than praying to a ceiling.


So what exacty do you think of when you Meditate?


You say the mantra that was given to you over and over again in your head. Transcendental meditation is a wonderful thing everyone should do it. When i was a kid my grades were so great, but when i started TM i got nothing by As and Bs. Shit works, prayer doesnt. And i dont get the stupid expression, god helps those who help themselves, this is a joke right? Well if people help themselves then what do they need god for. I think the world would be a in a much better place if it wasnt for religion.


Don't you know that Meditation is a form of believing in something that isn't tangable?


Saying a mantra in your head is not beleiving in something


You are believing that saying it over and over will bring you peace. That's no different thatn someone believing in a higher power.

Sorry to break it to you, but you're religious dude.


Meditation dosent necessarily inply being religious in any way shape or form, if your chanting a word in your head or meditating on a goal your focusing your own brain on what your trying to accomplish. Its similar to sports where you picture what your going to do before you do it. Its all a mental thing about your own brain being in control of your own body. If you focusing and saying a word over and over to give you peace thats YOU telling YOUR brain to make adjustments to make yourself feel the way you want to NOT asking for some higher power of mystic energy to come do it for you. Meditation if you taking control of your own reality which is quite the opposite of religion and spiritualism.

Most chinese spiritualism is like this it wasnt focused on gettin imaginary friends to fix your problems it was about harnessing and focusing your Qi
CMOS 1:56 PM - 20 August, 2010
My ex girlfriend and I broke up over religious differences.


She didnt believe i was God.


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Nicky Blunt 3:02 PM - 20 August, 2010
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More proof that Jesus is the Messiah then anything else in this universe. No joke.



What proof is there that he was a messiah??


Why not just ask him! I mean he posts on the forum you lazy bastards!
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:56 PM - 20 August, 2010
VERY TRUE, jesus died for our free updates
DLBreaks 8:16 PM - 20 August, 2010
bam in your face jesus freaks
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:24 PM - 20 August, 2010
W.W.J.S
what would jesus spin
DLBreaks 8:35 PM - 20 August, 2010
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even jesus couldnt beatmatch the bible verses using autosync
Nicky Blunt 5:18 AM - 21 August, 2010
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What proof is there that he was a messiah??


Why not just ask him! I mean he posts on the forum you lazy bastards!


www.scratchlive.net

see
Nicky Blunt 5:19 AM - 21 August, 2010
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hahah idk why but this made me lol!
Polanka 8:34 PM - 23 August, 2010
Hebrews 4:12
For the word of God is living and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:36 PM - 23 August, 2010
You sit there and you thump your Bible, and you say your prayers, and it didn't get you anywhere! Talk about your psalms, talk about John 3:16... Austin 3:16 says I just whooped your ass
DLBreaks 8:40 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Reason 4:20
For the word of god is dead and fake. Duller than any single-edged shit, it doesn't penetrate even a soul or a spirit, it doesn't judge the thoughts and attitudes of anything because it is not real.
Polanka 8:42 PM - 23 August, 2010
DJ M Bezzle

Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
DLBreaks 8:45 PM - 23 August, 2010
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For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


Our struggle is seperation of state and church and to remove in god we trust from our money... and to not judge lesbian and gay marriages... and for christian street preachers to shut their mouths and stop the brainwashing.. The real struggle is to wake people up and realize that you do not need religion in your life to live a happy one.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:57 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Ephesians 6:12
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.


Our struggle is seperation of state and church and to remove in god we trust from our money... and to not judge lesbian and gay marriages... and for christian street preachers to shut their mouths and stop the brainwashing.. The real struggle is to wake people up and realize that you do not need religion in your life to live a happy one.


PPPPAAAARRRRREEEAAACHHHHHH IT!!!!!!!!1
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:01 PM - 23 August, 2010
Polanka

ProvHerbs 3:35. 47

29 The FSM is not a douche. 30 He really doesn’t care what we do. 31 He offers suggestions and lists things he’d really rather us not do, but if we don’t listen, it’s no biggie. 32 But He is a drunk, and He is kinda dumb, so there are accidental smitings now and then. 33 But there are some he really looks after and helps them in their time of need.

38 So I beg of you, save the planet, save mankind, save your eternal souls. 39 It will not be easy. 40 It is written “It is easier for a meatball to pass through the eye of a tornado than for a confused man to enter the Kingdom of Pasta.” ProvHerbs 3:40. 41 But you must try. 42 Kick that demon Charles Darwin in the balls. 43 But let the Flying Spaghetti Monster touch you with His noodly appendage. 44 Let Him annoint you with His delicious sauce. 45 Let Him fill your stomach with His divine meal. 46 “With Him, All Things are Pasta-Bowl” . 47 You can be saved. 48 RAmen.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:01 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Dude, you leanin' on this kinda hard....

You got sumphin' you wanna tell us?
Polanka 9:02 PM - 23 August, 2010
1 John 2:15
Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

1 John 2:16
For everything in the world--the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does--comes not from the Father but from the world.

1 John 2:17
The world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever.
DLBreaks 9:03 PM - 23 August, 2010
Ramen ftw
DLBreaks 9:04 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Dude, you leanin' on this kinda hard....

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yea im leanin towards equalness for everyone and for christians to stfu about their hangups already.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:07 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Dude, you leanin' on this kinda hard....

You got sumphin' you wanna tell us?


yea im leanin towards equalness for everyone and for christians to stfu about their hangups already.


BTW, Christians ain't the only ones who have a word or 2 about gay marriages...
DLBreaks 9:11 PM - 23 August, 2010
sorry i left muslims out too.. at least christians dont behead or stone someone to death ill give them that.. im also sick about when it comes time for elections how religious people look at the policitician's views on their religious views. thats whats wrong with this country.. why dont focus less on religion and concentrate more on real issues.
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sorry i left muslims out too.. at least christians dont behead or stone someone to death ill give them that.. im also sick about when it comes time for elections how religious people look at the policitician's views on their religious views. thats whats wrong with this country.. why dont focus less on religion and concentrate more on real issues.


And I take it you're a Republican?
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+100000 PPPPRRREEAAACHHHH!!!!!!!1
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And I take it you're a Republican?



Are you crazy republicans are the ones focused on religion the most!!
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And I take it you're a Republican?


yea im a republican atheist who supports abortion nice try tho
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:19 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Hey, wouldn't surprise me....Sarah is a contender these dayz.
DLBreaks 9:29 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Hey, wouldn't surprise me....Sarah is a contender these dayz.


yea im sure sarah supports abortions and doesnt beleive in a fictional character
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Hey, wouldn't surprise me....Sarah is a contender these dayz.


yea im sure sarah supports abortions and doesnt beleive in a fictional character




LMFAOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BREAKS CLEANIN HOUSE!!!! LOL
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:47 PM - 23 August, 2010
Not really...but yeah.
DLBreaks 9:55 PM - 23 August, 2010
i dont wanna clean anything, i just want certain people to wake up and smell something.
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DLBreaks 10:14 PM - 23 August, 2010
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I dotn care if their dreamin or not just stop tryna bring me into your dream or trying to make real world rules conform to your dream


hey im not the one out there saying i must be saved
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:20 PM - 23 August, 2010
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I dotn care if their dreamin or not just stop tryna bring me into your dream or trying to make real world rules conform to your dream


hey im not the one out there saying i must be saved



Which may have something to do with why im agreeing with you lol
RogerRabbit 10:20 PM - 23 August, 2010
Why are you atheists so interested in religion anyways?
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I dotn care if their dreamin or not just stop tryna bring me into your dream or trying to make real world rules conform to your dream


hey im not the one out there saying i must be saved



Which may have something to do with why im agreeing with you lol


yea i thought u were on my side from the beginning but then i got confused with ur comment and i was like oook lol.. but word big ups m.bezzle
DLBreaks 10:24 PM - 23 August, 2010
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were not interested in religion but we are interested in people waking up and seeing the truth.. i mean after thousands of years they still dont have evidence of afterlife any miracles that jesus performed.. thousands of years and no evidence and people still beleive in fairy tales holy shitballs
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:30 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Easy because people with religious views bust their asses to try and force their views on us.
Polanka 10:31 PM - 23 August, 2010
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were not interested in religion but we are interested in people waking up and seeing the truth.. i mean after thousands of years they still dont have evidence of afterlife any miracles that jesus performed.. thousands of years and no evidence and people still beleive in fairy tales holy shitballs


At least we both want people waking up and seeing the truth.

“I praise You, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants. "
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:32 PM - 23 August, 2010
But, you're asking us to be "like you", thus effectively "join" your way of thinking, which, well, you might as well say could be construed as a "cult" AKA "Religion"...

So, aside from the fact that you already Meditate.....you know where I'm going with this....
Polanka 10:39 PM - 23 August, 2010
Its not my intent to force my religious views on anyone. But it is my duty to defend what I know as the truth. If you don't believe in God so be it. I respect your way of thinking and hope it leads you to happiness but don't disrespect others beliefs. Show respect and you will receive respect. Who am I to judge your way of thinking? God is the only one who will judge.
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I wouldn't have said it any better..

BRAVO.
DLBreaks 10:51 PM - 23 August, 2010
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But u do kinda force your religious views on people by saying god will be the only one who will judge. Show respect and i will receive respect.. Oh yea?? Im sure if im walking down the street minding my own business, some street preacher is yelling in my ear that i need to be saved and repent my sins. whatevs
Polanka 10:53 PM - 23 August, 2010
DLBreaks what are you doing in this thread if you don't want to hear about religion?

Did you read the title of this thread?

You have a choice to enter and discuss on religion. Nobody is asking you personally to come in here.
DLBreaks 10:55 PM - 23 August, 2010
^ cool story bro
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Did you read the title of this thread?

You have a choice to enter and discuss on religion. Nobody is asking you personally to come in here.
Polanka 10:57 PM - 23 August, 2010
Maybe you should start your own anti religion thread and don't forget to invite DJ M Bezzle.
DLBreaks 10:58 PM - 23 August, 2010
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awww turn that frown upside down
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:59 PM - 23 August, 2010
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LOL!
Polanka 11:01 PM - 23 August, 2010
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awww turn that frown upside down


No worries on my end. Just calling it how it is.
DLBreaks 11:03 PM - 23 August, 2010
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awww turn that frown upside down


No worries on my end. Just calling it how it is.


no worries here either about being saved and worshiping a fictional character. i just live my life like a normal human being while you pray to your ceiling.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:03 PM - 23 August, 2010
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awww turn that frown upside down


Nah, but in all seriousness, people on the street corner selling you religion, is no different than ANYBODY ELSE who is trying to "sell" you on something.

That's the purpose of marketing and advertising.

Nobody says you HAVE to buy that Secret deoderant, but they will definitely hype it to get you to believe that it's strong enough for a man, but made for a woman.

I do welcome them into this thread, to see where the "thought processes" originate, and you can somewhat expect a bit of bible bashing, but hey that doesn't affect us like that.

And I'm not even really THAT religious....just in awe at how uptight some can get at this subject....

Oh well.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:04 PM - 23 August, 2010
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No worries on my end. Just calling it how it is.


no worries here either about being saved and worshiping a fictional character. i just live my life like a normal human being while you pray to your ceiling.


But you Meditate.....aka Pray....

I don't understand the difference....
RogerRabbit 11:08 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Nah - on second thoughts - leave them - the are more than welcome...we might make converts out of them..
DLBreaks 11:09 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Nah, but in all seriousness, people on the street corner selling you religion, is no different than ANYBODY ELSE who is trying to "sell" you on something.

That's the purpose of marketing and advertising.

Nobody says you HAVE to buy that Secret deoderant, but they will definitely hype it to get you to believe that it's strong enough for a man, but made for a woman.

I do welcome them into this thread, to see where the "thought processes" originate, and you can somewhat expect a bit of bible bashing, but hey that doesn't affect us like that.

And I'm not even really THAT religious....just in awe at how uptight some can get at this subject....

Oh well.


Im uptight about this subject cause i want everyone in this world to be as one equal. Religion seperates people, it creates hate, it creates racism, its anti woman, its anti on peoples lives, religion creates wars and theres nothing good that ever came from religion.
DLBreaks 11:10 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Nah - on second thoughts - leave them - the are more than welcome...we might make converts out of them..


Id like to see you try to convert an atheist good luck on that brotha
DLBreaks 11:11 PM - 23 August, 2010
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No worries on my end. Just calling it how it is.


no worries here either about being saved and worshiping a fictional character. i just live my life like a normal human being while you pray to your ceiling.


But you Meditate.....aka Pray....

I don't understand the difference....


Meditation is not praying.. All were doing is repeating one word in our mind.. not saying thank you for the food or i have sinned please forgive me. I dont see meditation as a spiritual thing.
RogerRabbit 11:14 PM - 23 August, 2010
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No worries on my end. Just calling it how it is.


no worries here either about being saved and worshiping a fictional character. i just live my life like a normal human being while you pray to your ceiling.


But you Meditate.....aka Pray....

I don't understand the difference....

Some atheists are confused - like one of the atheists on my job - he gets offended because I don't say "Bless you" when he sneezes. I tell him why would I say bless you if you don't believe in God.. He says it has nothing to do with God, it just good manners to say "Bless you" when someone sneezes...
DLBreaks 11:16 PM - 23 August, 2010
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No worries on my end. Just calling it how it is.


no worries here either about being saved and worshiping a fictional character. i just live my life like a normal human being while you pray to your ceiling.


But you Meditate.....aka Pray....

I don't understand the difference....

Some atheists are confused - like one of the atheists on my job - he gets offended because I don't say "Bless you" when he sneezes. I tell him why would I say bless you if you don't believe in God.. He says it has nothing to do with God, it just good manners to say "Bless you" when someone sneezes...


i guess hes not an atheist then or just gay.. i dont see the porpous of someone saying bless you after they sneeze. what you blessing them with?
RogerRabbit 11:17 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Nah - on second thoughts - leave them - the are more than welcome...we might make converts out of them..


Id like to see you try to convert an atheist good luck on that brotha

I known people who did "real" things get converted - and turn their life around - so it's really not impossible..
DLBreaks 11:18 PM - 23 August, 2010
they need religion to turn their life around?? thats sad
RogerRabbit 11:23 PM - 23 August, 2010
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Easy to say coming from a law abiding citizen... Somethings you just can't close your eyes meditate and everything gets better..
DLBreaks 11:27 PM - 23 August, 2010
i just never understood shit like oh im a druggie or alcoholic let me turn to jesus he will help me.. that just doesnt make any sense to me at all.. well its all faith anyway not real.
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It doesn't have to make sense you - it worked for alot of people..
DLBreaks 11:32 PM - 23 August, 2010
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It doesn't have to make sense you - it worked for alot of people..


I dont see how them beleiving in something made up made them better i guess its all in their heads
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i just never understood shit like oh im a druggie or alcoholic let me turn to jesus he will help me.. that just doesnt make any sense to me at all.. well its all faith anyway not real.

It doesn't have to make sense you - it worked for alot of people..


I dont see how them beleiving in something made up made them better i guess its all in their heads

It's not usually a matter of believing, it usually is an internal pull or urging that changes them..
DLBreaks 11:41 PM - 23 August, 2010
nah they just feel helpless and the jesus freak brainwashes them and as gullible as they are they go with it.. internal pull lmao what are you physics lol
Polanka 11:41 PM - 23 August, 2010
DLBreaks I cant really speak about Atheism because I don't know much about it. Have you read the Bible? The way you speak about religion it seems you know everything there is to know about it. If Atheism works for you thats great! Can you give me examples on how it has made you a better human being?
DLBreaks 11:46 PM - 23 August, 2010
Polanka theres really nothing to know about atheism. We just live our lives and thats it. yes i have read some of the bible and ive seen hundreds of youtube videos of people reading verses and debates between atheists and religious people. I came from the former soviet union a communist country where we didnt have freedom of religion, and im very thankful for that, so none of my family members are religious and im also thankful for that. So all my life i have been an atheist. I dont know what u mean by how atheism made me a better person? Im just like you except i dont beleive in anything that has proof or evidence and comes from a several thousand year old book thats been transalted more times than you can count.
sixxx 11:58 PM - 23 August, 2010
Atheism is the best. Ask God. That lesbian will tell you.
Polanka 12:00 AM - 24 August, 2010
DLBreaks so what rules do you live by? What are you values?
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Thank you for your wisdom sixxx.
DLBreaks 12:05 AM - 24 August, 2010
im still a good person. i help a family member or a friend when theyr in need. i open doors for people, sometimes donate to charity when i can, i dont kill steal rape murder, and dont say well those came from the bible.. but how do you know that those werent around before the bible was written. but for people to beleive about a talking snake, 500 year old man building an arc and gathering 2 of the same of every animal, and jesus being born from a virgin that just boggles the mind how people can actually beleive some of that crap.
Polanka 12:13 AM - 24 August, 2010
How do you know right from wrong? To what standards are you comparing yourself when you say that you are a good person?
DLBreaks 12:25 AM - 24 August, 2010
were taught right from wrong when were kids. the standards that i dont kill, steal, rape and murder.
sixxx 12:33 AM - 24 August, 2010
Right and wrong isn't dictated by religion.
sixxx 12:34 AM - 24 August, 2010
Satan told me that btw. He is my father.
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It doesn't have to make sense you - it worked for alot of people..


I dont see how them beleiving in something made up made them better i guess its all in their heads


LIke.....

Meditation.....
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It doesn't have to make sense you - it worked for alot of people..


I dont see how them beleiving in something made up made them better i guess its all in their heads


LIke.....

Meditation.....



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It doesn't have to make sense you - it worked for alot of people..


I dont see how them beleiving in something made up made them better i guess its all in their heads


LIke.....

Meditation.....


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Do you smell me on this?

I'm sayin....
DLBreaks 12:52 AM - 24 August, 2010
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It doesn't have to make sense you - it worked for alot of people..


I dont see how them beleiving in something made up made them better i guess its all in their heads


LIke.....

Meditation.....


Meditation works, prayer doesnt. Best quote ever "A single pair of hands at work is worth more than a billion clasped in prayer."

serious...


Do you smell me on this?

I'm sayin....
DLBreaks 12:53 AM - 24 August, 2010
Meditation works, prayer doesnt. Best quote ever "A single pair of hands at work is worth more than a billion clasped in prayer."
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:06 AM - 24 August, 2010
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Dude, you are praying, and you don't even know it.

Now THAT'S powerful.
DLBreaks 1:11 AM - 24 August, 2010
well thats what you think.. but even if i am praying like you say, at least i dont beleive in some bible afterlife bullshit
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:19 AM - 24 August, 2010
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What's funny is that you "Atheists" stay having to equate other religions or beliefs as "Bullsh*t, crap, bible thumpers, etc..etc..

While those who "do" believe in some type of Afterlife or God "like" being, have been completely cordial to you, no dissing of what you do or don't believe, no put downs, no attacks, just straight forward grown talk.

I don't really think anyone here is trying to "convert" you, because to tell the truth, you are 1 CLICK away from being in some sort of religion anyway.

If you were sitting next to someone, and BOTH of you closed your eyes, and you "Meditated" and they "Prayed", you're both looking for the same end result.

As a matter of fact, someone would EASILY mistake BOTH of you for praying.

Are Atheists normally "On Edge" or "Angry"?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:21 AM - 24 August, 2010
I mean, it would be ONE THING if you said, HEY, I just live my life, don't pray, meditate, or seek inner peace without some type of drug, LATER for you Religious Freaks...

But you probably MEDITATE more than the average person Prays....

Just sayin..
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What's funny is that you "Atheists" stay having to equate other religions or beliefs as "Bullsh*t, crap, bible thumpers, etc..etc..

While those who "do" believe in some type of Afterlife or God "like" being, have been completely cordial to you, no dissing of what you do or don't believe, no put downs, no attacks, just straight forward grown talk.

I don't really think anyone here is trying to "convert" you, because to tell the truth, you are 1 CLICK away from being in some sort of religion anyway.

If you were sitting next to someone, and BOTH of you closed your eyes, and you "Meditated" and they "Prayed", you're both looking for the same end result.

As a matter of fact, someone would EASILY mistake BOTH of you for praying.

Are Atheists normally "On Edge" or "Angry"?


If they cant take the heat then stay out of the kitchen. Yea im 1 clik away from being in religion like santa clause is my cousin. I dont care what i look like next to a religious person or if they mistake me. ill give an example, when i was a kid my grades were pretty bad cause of add, then these people came from canada and they setup seminars so we went to them, and then in a private one on one meeting a mantra was give to me. After a couple of months of TM my grades went up to As and Bs, my point is TM works and prayer doesnt. And i also dont understand the saying " god helps those who help themsevles" are they serious???? if you help yourself then what you need god for.
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If they cant take the heat then stay out of the kitchen. Yea im 1 clik away from being in religion like santa clause is my cousin. I dont care what i look like next to a religious person or if they mistake me. ill give an example, when i was a kid my grades were pretty bad cause of add, then these people came from canada and they setup seminars so we went to them, and then in a private one on one meeting a mantra was give to me. After a couple of months of TM my grades went up to As and Bs, my point is TM works and prayer doesnt. And i also dont understand the saying " god helps those who help themsevles" are they serious???? if you help yourself then what you need god for.


It's not that we can't take the heat, it just makes YOU look less intelligent, and I want to give you a chance to prove your point, without you pre-disqualifying yourself simply because you ran out of intelligent things to say.

I always say, people curse or put people down when they have nothing else of substance to say.

As for your ADD issue, all they did was teach you how to FOCUS. That's it. Kids with ADD have problems staying concentrated on one thing for an extended period of time.

All they did was give you an "Exercise" to help you focus. That's "Therapy", which happened to be a form of Meditation.

Now you "apply that faith" to the things you do in life....and it gives you positive results.

That's a standard practice man.

And God DOES help those who help themselves. If you do what you are capable of to help yourself (even things you DON'T think you can do), you'll eventually reap the benefits of said work, when you least expected it.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:37 AM - 24 August, 2010
This debate isn't even fair because you already believe in a "religion".

FAIL.
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If they cant take the heat then stay out of the kitchen. Yea im 1 clik away from being in religion like santa clause is my cousin. I dont care what i look like next to a religious person or if they mistake me. ill give an example, when i was a kid my grades were pretty bad cause of add, then these people came from canada and they setup seminars so we went to them, and then in a private one on one meeting a mantra was give to me. After a couple of months of TM my grades went up to As and Bs, my point is TM works and prayer doesnt. And i also dont understand the saying " god helps those who help themsevles" are they serious???? if you help yourself then what you need god for.



It's not that we can't take the heat, it just makes YOU look less intelligent, and I want to give you a chance to prove your point, without you pre-disqualifying yourself simply because you ran out of intelligent things to say.

I always say, people curse or put people down when they have nothing else of substance to say.

As for your ADD issue, all they did was teach you how to FOCUS. That's it. Kids with ADD have problems staying concentrated on one thing for an extended period of time.

All they did was give you an "Exercise" to help you focus. That's "Therapy", which happened to be a form of Meditation.

Now you "apply that faith" to the things you do in life....and it gives you positive results.

That's a standard practice man.

And God DOES help those who help themselves. If you do what you are capable of to help yourself (even things you DON'T think you can do), you'll eventually reap the benefits of said work, when you least expected it.


I honestly could give a shit of what you and others think about me. They washed the dishes and god helped them to do it yea bullshit. Next.
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(hahaha Im kidding)

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Nicky Blunt 2:09 AM - 24 August, 2010
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I heard Jay-Z & Ur pops are business partners! Jay Sold him summin to make himself a sucess?

Shit Hit me up with ur pops number too please!!!

LOL
DLBreaks 2:20 AM - 24 August, 2010
u mean gay z
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There you go again...***sigh***

The truth is that you're actually more spiritual than me...

So I KNOW I'm in trouble....lol.
d:raf 4:46 AM - 24 August, 2010
"prayer" vs "meditation" <> "marraige" vs "civil union" ?
AKIEM 11:08 AM - 24 August, 2010
Science is a method. It can become dogma and like religion but in that case it is performed incorrectly, deceptively or perhaps with an agenda or some other error.


You can also cloak religion in the guise of a 'science' and, the reverse, cloaking science disguised as religion.


Meditation is a mental exercise or a focus that does not necessarily include a being or force outside of ones self. Prayer, on the other hand requires belief in a being or force (not even necessarily a supernatural being) outside of ones self to comunicate with.


Atheists can and often do study and become very knowledgable about religion without being religious. The oposite is also true, there are plenty of scientists who are religious.


Morality (right v wrong) can be dictated by religion, but it can also be decided by one person (a philosopher) or a group of people to become a 'code'.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:08 PM - 24 August, 2010
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But, you're asking us to be "like you", thus effectively "join" your way of thinking, which, well, you might as well say could be construed as a "cult" AKA "Religion"...

So, aside from the fact that you already Meditate.....you know where I'm going with this....



NO WE DONT, you can believe whatever you want just stop trying to make the rest of the world agree.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:10 PM - 24 August, 2010
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DLBreaks what are you doing in this thread if you don't want to hear about religion?

Did you read the title of this thread?

You have a choice to enter and discuss on religion. Nobody is asking you personally to come in here.



But he IS discussing religion, just because he dosent agree with you dosent make his views on religion any less valid...i dont see where the title says "Christianity" or "People who believe in god" thread
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:11 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Maybe you should start your own anti religion thread and don't forget to invite DJ M Bezzle.


awww turn that frown upside down


No worries on my end. Just calling it how it is.


no worries here either about being saved and worshiping a fictional character. i just live my life like a normal human being while you pray to your ceiling.


But you Meditate.....aka Pray....

I don't understand the difference....



meditation and prayer are 2 completley different things
sixxx 1:16 PM - 24 August, 2010
Listen to AKIEM.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:20 PM - 24 August, 2010
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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:27 PM - 24 August, 2010
This dude is praying to himself.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:30 PM - 24 August, 2010
LOL at trying to make the rest of the world agree. Like I said, it's no different than any Sales or Marketing campaign of ANY product or service.

Everybody has the right to offer a service.

The Army does it.

Walmart does it.

McDonalds does it.

And we as DJ's do it.

Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:32 PM - 24 August, 2010
I mean, McDonald's markets a Big Mac, you try it, you hate it, MOVE ON.

Is it really necessary to organize a boycott of Big Macs because you didn't like the special sauce?
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:32 PM - 24 August, 2010
Johnny, in all seriousness, for the life of me ive been trying to figure this out for the longest time now mabye you can answer this........are you just incapable of admitting you may be wrong sometimes or are you just utterly incapable of grasping concepts that are deeper than face value?? Ive just see it on ton of threads and i cant figure out if its a narcissim thing or if you lack critical thinking skills???
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:33 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?



Because those other entities that you listed dont use their own personal beliefs to try and govern how other people live their life
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:35 PM - 24 August, 2010
Its one thing to mareket a service but its another thing entirley to force that service on you, walmart mcdonalds and the army are the ones keeping people who dont agree with them from being happy, they arent the ones keeping gay people from being married, their not the ones telling a woman that they DONT know what she can or cant do to their body, their not the ones using antiquated ideas to limit scientific advancments that would help all of CURRENT mankind.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:41 PM - 24 August, 2010
Also if i seem more annoyed or angry than opthers its because I live in an area of the country referred to as the bible belt and i can pretty much assure you when you live in this area around all these backwater idiots itll help for your opinion on what religions for QUICK like. When theres a trailer park fam with 10 kids on welfare that MY tax dollars are paying for because their religion wont let them practice safe sex and their all excited for # 11 because children are a "gift from god" and they dont work because "god provides for them" AKA my tax dollars, and you have school districts that cant afford books but there are HUUUGE churches on EVERY corner that have basketball courts swimming pools 4 storys with tons of LCD TVs in every room. And kids who are home schooled who dont get an education who my taxes are going to be paying for because they dont want their kid learnin devil stuff so they just keep them at home readin the bible to them not teaching them any kind of reality life skills.
You really beging to see that the less educated, less adept, and lazy someone is the more they turn to the good book since the meek will inherit the earth and earning a living is a waste of time,
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:42 PM - 24 August, 2010
Again, another one who throws jabs because they don't have anything intelligent to say. Critical thinking skills? smh.

So let me get this right. Atheists can come in and throw THEIR thought processes on those who choose to follow a religion....because "Religions" throw THEIR thought processes people...

Hmmm....pot meet kettle.

BTW, Walmart is known for doing irrepairable damage to communities across the US by indirectly closing down mom and pop stores, and employing illegal aliens.

Oh, and speaking of antiquated, it's Their vs. There vs. They're....now incorrect use of those terms is "Old".
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:44 PM - 24 August, 2010
So with all this "Freedom of Right's" ying yang, what happened to Freedom of Religion?

Sounds like your "job" is to shut down ALL religions, no matter what good they bring to the table.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:46 PM - 24 August, 2010
If any of you have ever walked down burbon or dauphin st (where i work) im sure youll be familiar with the wonderful examples of the christian brotherhood who walk around with signs saying how everyone there is a sinner and your going to burn in hell and god hates fags and people who drink are the devil blah blah blah, ya you know what im there trying to make a living and their doing everything in their power to try and drive off customers and generally brinig the mood down of people who are doing NOTHING wrong except trying to have a good time. Where is the peace and good will to men there? So its evil to drink in a club but its ok to drink wine in church...OHHH YA THATS NOT WINE ITS BLOOD OHHHH KKKK.

How about this, there are good faithful christians starving and dying all over the world but the cathloc church charges to get into its historic landmarks in europe and has a vault of priceless artifacts and works in its basement that it could easily sell and feed these people......If the church is about being humble why are the churches in europe fulll of gold and use HUGE extravagant buildings to do their worship in
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:48 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Again, another one who throws jabs because they don't have anything intelligent to say. Critical thinking skills? smh.



i was acutually referring to your meditation is praying comment its 2 different things but you cant seem to get past the surface to see the difference, and it wasnt a jab just a question.


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Oh, and speaking of antiquated, it's Their vs. There vs. They're....now incorrect use of those terms is "Old".


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Again, another one who throws jabs because they don't have anything intelligent to say.


I guess youWERE right ono that one
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:49 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Meditation is a mental exercise or a focus that does not necessarily include a being or force outside of ones self. Prayer, on the other hand requires belief in a being or force (not even necessarily a supernatural being) outside of ones self to comunicate with.


See, I could ALMOST rock with this, except, in order to "focus" you need some type of object, either internal or external to direct thoughts about.

One's SELF can be seen as a "God", so that automatically equates the practice with Prayer.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:52 PM - 24 August, 2010
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So with all this "Freedom of Right's" ying yang, what happened to Freedom of Religion?

Sounds like your "job" is to shut down ALL religions, no matter what good they bring to the table.



Still missing the point, noones trying to shut down anyones religion, my issue is with THEIR religious beliefs being pressed on me. Lets say me and a girl have an accident and its our belief that theres no higher power theres no greater purpose ect and want to get it taken care of which is legal.....we have religious instatutions trying to take away that right even though it has NOTHING to do with them. What about a gay couple that wants to get married who have NOTHING to do with the church but because the church thinks its wrong by THEIR belief standards they move that that coupled right to be happy is removed. How about the CHURCH feels that stem cell research is morally wrong so the person with a spinal cord injury who just wants to walk again will never have that provided for him because of THEIR beliefs
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:53 PM - 24 August, 2010
Hell even look at our current president, you look at the comments about any new story on the net or on fox news and all you hear is HES A MUSLIM I KNEW IT.....who the fuck cares if hes a muslim or not why does NOT being a christian affect what hes doing, just another example of how religion divides people and causes hate.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:04 PM - 24 August, 2010
I'm a Christian, but I believe doctors should ALWAYS try and save a patient until it is proven that they are only a vegatable and have no brain activity.

I don't believe in Gay Marriage, because it sets a bad example for kids, and takes away my Tax benefits and dollars that I rightfully earned by taking one for the team and getting married in the first place. A marriage is a contract, ha most aren't happy, why let others who get married TO HAVE FUN, enjoy the benefits..

I believe in stem cell research.

So, you can't lump all people in Religions the same way. Not every one agrees with ALL the teachings, but the majority of them.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:07 PM - 24 August, 2010
Thats the difference between aeitheists, agnostics and general non religious people VS religious people. People without it ARE NOT trying to take away rights from people with it, we are not out in front of churches with signs saying WE DONT BELIEVE THIS THIS IS NOT RIGHT, we dont try to pass laws to close churches or outlwaw bibles, we dont get onto people for things they say. But people in religious institutions do all of this

qood examples of GREAT church functions
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CNN) -- In protest of what it calls a religion "of the devil," a nondenominational church in Gainesville, Florida, plans to host an "International Burn a Quran Day" on the ninth anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks.

The Dove World Outreach Center says it is hosting the event to remember 9/11 victims and take a stand against Islam. With promotions on its website and Facebook page, it invites Christians to burn the Muslim holy book at the church from 6 p.m. to 9 p.m.

"We believe that Islam is of the devil, that it's causing billions of people to go to hell, it is a deceptive religion, it is a violent religion and that is proven many, many times," Pastor Terry Jones told CNN's Rick Sanchez earlier this week.

Jones wrote a book titled "Islam is of the Devil," and the church sells coffee mugs and shirts featuring the phrase.

Muslims and many other Christians -- including some evangelicals -- are fighting the initiative.

The church launched a YouTube channel to disseminate its messages.

"I mean ask yourself, have you ever really seen a really happy Muslim? As they're on the way to Mecca? As they gather together in the mosque on the floor? Does it look like a real religion of joy?" Jones asks in one of his YouTube posts.

"No, to me it looks like a religion of the devil."

The Islamic advocacy group Council on American-Islamic Relations called on Muslims and others to host "Share the Quran" dinners to educate the public during the monthlong fast of Ramadan beginning in August. In a news release, the group announced a campaign to give out 100,000 copies of the Quran to local, state and national leaders.

"American Muslims and other people of conscience should support positive educational efforts to prevent the spread of Islamophobia," said CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Hooper in the release.

The National Association of Evangelicals, the nation's largest umbrella evangelical group, issued a statement urging the church to cancel the event, warning it could cause worldwide tension between the two religions.

"The NAE calls on its members to cultivate relationships of trust and respect with our neighbors of other faiths. God created human beings in his image, and therefore all should be treated with dignity and respect," it said in the statement.

Dove's Facebook page, set up for the September event, has more than 1,600 fans.

"Eternal fire is the only destination the Quran can lead people to, so we want to put the Quran in it's [sic] place -- the fire!" the page says.

But another Facebook group with more than 3,100 fans says it stands "against the disrespect and intolerance that these people have for the Muslim people" and encourages people to report Dove's page to Facebook.

Targeting another group it calls "godless," the Dove center is also hosting a protest against Gainesville Mayor Craig Lowe, who is openly gay, on Monday at Gainesville's City Hall. The group previously fought -- unsuccessfully -- to derail Lowe's election campaign.

"We protest sexual perversion because the Bible protests it. ... What is acceptable to today's leadership becomes acceptable to tomorrow's society," the church says in its blog entry about the event.

Lowe and other government figures and media outlets received e-mails from the church about the event, The Gainesville Sun reported. Lowe isn't concerned with Monday's event.

"I've got other things to do," he said, The Sun reports.

On the outreach center's front lawn, alongside a sign reading "Aug. 2 Protest, No Homo Mayor, City Hall," stands not just one, but three signs bearing the slogan "Islam is of the Devil."

One of the signs -- one reading "Islam" on one side, "Devil" on the other -- was vandalized. On its blog last week, the church said the sign will be replaced.

"This is private property and vandalism is a crime here in America," the blog says. "In Islam, many actions that we consider to be crimes are encouraged, condoned or sheltered under Islamic teaching and practice, though. Another reason to burn a Quran."


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Washington (CNN) -- A small Kansas church that has gained nationwide attention for protesting loudly at funerals of U.S. service members will receive a Supreme Court hearing over free speech rights.

The justices Monday accepted an appeal from the father of a U.S. Marine killed in Iraq over efforts to keep members of the Topeka-based Westboro Baptist Church from demonstrating near memorial services and burials.

The Marine's family won a $5 million judgment from the protesters, which lower courts overturned.

The church, led by pastor Fred Phelps, said it believes God is punishing the United States for "the sin of homosexuality" through events such as soldiers' deaths.

Members have traveled the country, shouting at grieving family members at funerals and displaying such signs as "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" and "God Blew Up the Troops."

At issue is a balancing test between the privacy rights of grieving families and the free speech rights of demonstrators, however disturbing and provocative their message.

Several states have attempted to impose specific limits on when and where the church can protest.

Westboro members appeared outside the 2006 funeral for Lance Cpl. Matthew Snyder in Westminster, Maryland, outside Baltimore.

A jury awarded Snyder's family $2.9 million in compensatory damages plus $8 million in punitive damages. Those damages later were reduced to $5 million. It was the first lawsuit against the church over the protests.

Snyder's father, Albert, testified his son was not gay, but church members said their broader message was aimed at the unspecified actions of the military and those who serve in it.

iReport: Westboro Baptist Church protest

The Supreme Court has never addressed the specific issues of laws designed to protect the "sanctity and dignity of memorial and funeral services" as well as the privacy of family and friends of the deceased. But the high court has recognized the state's interest in protecting those from unwanted protests or communications while in their homes.

The justices will be asked to address how far states and private entities such as cemeteries and churches can go to justify picket-free zones and the use of "floating buffers" to silence or restrict speech or movements of demonstrators exercising their constitutional rights in a funeral setting.

According to a legal brief it filed with the high court, church members believe it is their duty to protest at certain events, including funerals, to promote their religious message: "That God's promise of love and heaven for those who obey him in this life is counterbalanced by God's wrath and hell for those who do not obey him."

The congregation is made up mostly of Phelps and his family. The pastor has 13 children and at least 54 grandchildren and seven great-grandchildren. He described himself as an "old-time" gospel preacher in a CNN interview in 2006, saying, "You can't preach the Bible without preaching the hatred of God."

Church members have participated in hundreds of protests across the country.

In a separate appeal, the high court last year blocked Missouri's effort to enforce a specific law aimed at the Westboro church.

Phelps, his daughter Shirley Phelps-Roper and other church members protested near the August 2005 funeral of an Army soldier in St. Joseph, Missouri.

State lawmakers later passed the Spc. Edward Lee Myers Law, criminalizing picketing "in front or about" a funeral location or procession.


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i just never understood shit like oh im a druggie or alcoholic let me turn to jesus he will help me.. that just doesnt make any sense to me at all.. well its all faith anyway not real.

It doesn't have to make sense you - it worked for alot of people..


I dont see how them beleiving in something made up made them better i guess its all in their heads


LIke.....

Meditation.....



serious...


Do you smell me on this?

I'm sayin....


Reminds me of my mother-in-law with her yoga and crystals... Crystals=energy? so do my farts...

or my bro-in-law with his Tai Chi or yoga (he's an instructor)

he uses Tai Chi for meditation and to focus... My wife was talking about how it is a martial art.. i laughed and asked if he fights in slow motion too.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:13 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I don't believe in Gay Marriage, because it sets a bad example for kids, and takes away my Tax benefits and dollars that I rightfully earned by taking one for the team and getting married in the first place. A marriage is a contract, ha most aren't happy, why let others who get married TO HAVE FUN, enjoy the benefits..



1st off how is it a bad example, if your kids born gay HE\SHE is gay, bottom line. The only example their setting ias wether or not the kids gonna be themselves of live in the closet. And as far as tax dollars how is that taking away from your bennefits?? If they married a woman it would be the same inpact, and even if it is taking away YOUR tax benefit why should THEY have to pay your bennefit if they cant get the same bennefit to make themselves happy??

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I'm a Christian, but I believe doctors should ALWAYS try and save a patient until it is proven that they are only a vegatable and have no brain activity.


Ok what if a womans raped by a guy with aids and the kids gonna be born to a fucked up situation with a terminal desease and the mom wants to abort, the kid should be born to spend a shirt life of suffering?? What if the mother runs the risk of dying durring the pregnancy and wants to abort? Which life is more important?

Also yuo want to talk about tax bennefits, I as a taxpayer DO NOT want my tax dollars going to support a bunch of kids that the parents gave up or couldnt afford because they werent granted the oppritunuity to termionate in the begining. All those kids that people are having ..YOUR PAYING FOR THEM.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:15 PM - 24 August, 2010
I also am PRO-Choice. Try again.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:15 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Reminds me of my mother-in-law with her yoga and crystals... Crystals=energy? so do my farts...

or my bro-in-law with his Tai Chi or yoga (he's an instructor)

he uses Tai Chi for meditation and to focus... My wife was talking about how it is a martial art.. i laughed and asked if he fights in slow motion too.


Ya the crystals sounds like some palm reader bullshit but the Tai chi or yoga is something i cuold get down with, training your body to do repetitive actions is the best way to learn to fight also your focusing on your body and controlling your movments, and that DOES cause enery and its great exercise which gives you a healthy mind. Its the same as when your in sports and they tell you to visualise what your going to do before you do it. Its not asking for an invisible power to do something for you, thats YOU planning what your about to do
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:15 PM - 24 August, 2010
You can't assume that ALL Christians follow ALL the same rules.

Like for example, you have Atheists that....

PRAY.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:18 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I also am PRO-Choice. Try again.



Thats fine but if your an avid christian your PRO Choice beliefs are at odds with the beliefs of your religion, the same religion that is ACTIVILTY trying to have that right taken away! And depending on what religious leader you ask (which is awsomely funney in itself because these are the people teaching you what to live by but if you ask 10 different leaders youll get at least 8 different answers) your prob gonna burn for that decession. As i said before aethiests are not trying to take ANYONES rights away, its the religious organisations that are trying to acomplish that.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:20 PM - 24 August, 2010
When a heterosexual couple gets married, it can be a combination of things driving the marriage. Love and the ECONOMICAL BENEFITS of being married.

When Gay people get married, they're REALLY in love. No, go find a person of the OPPOSITE SEX, and THEN enjoy the Economical Benefits.

No fair that they can be HAPPY and RICH too...

Take one for the team like the rest of us.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:22 PM - 24 August, 2010
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You can't assume that ALL Christians follow ALL the same rules.

Like for example, you have Atheists that....

PRAY.



This is still all going over your head....my issue isnt with ALL christians, its with the institution as a whole trying to inpose its belief structure on me and try to make laws that govern the way I live my life and how others live theirs.

And the fact that they all dont follow the same rules also lends merit to the nonreligious belief because if your not even all following the same rules then your spitting in the face of the belief system as a whole. If you believe in the christian doctrine then theres a set of rules you are supposed to follow, god or jesus or whoever else didnt say THOU SHALL NOT KILL.....Unless you want to, well johnny is examept to this and so are everyone who was born in July
RogerRabbit 2:23 PM - 24 August, 2010
Sodom and Gomorrah - that's only reference I need...
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:23 PM - 24 August, 2010
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When a heterosexual couple gets married, it can be a combination of things driving the marriage. Love and the ECONOMICAL BENEFITS of being married.

When Gay people get married, they're REALLY in love. No, go find a person of the OPPOSITE SEX, and THEN enjoy the Economical Benefits.

No fair that they can be HAPPY and RICH too...

Take one for the team like the rest of us.


I gaurentee you if they had the oppritunity to make money on it a substancial amout of them would do it for the cash just like hetro couples do.....THERES NO DIFFERENCE. If a guy marries a guy or girl the same economic inpact affects the rest of you
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:26 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Sodom and Gomorrah - that's only reference I need...



which dosent lend any constructive info to the topic, you ARE the weakest link. If anything your proving my point, religion is devicive and uses its old teachings to take rights away and make everyone conform to THER beliefs. You believe god smelted sodom and gomorah and because of that story which could be completley false but because of that you think gays are evil and shouldnt exist or be happily married.....well if they dont believe in your teaching WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU to tell them where to stick their gentials.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:27 PM - 24 August, 2010
Nothing is going over my head.

Why are you concerned at the institution AS A WHOLE, vs. the people who you interact with that represent it?

Religions get updated all the time. Old teachings vs. newer teachings.

Unless you are immersed in the actual Religion, it's almost pointless for you to speak on it, as you wouldn't know the latest and greatest info, but hold onto ONE tangent point you ***Don't*** agree with, and condemn the entire culture.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:30 PM - 24 August, 2010
Why are you calling dude the Weakest link? Can't you have a conversation without the ill words? Again, that shows either how frustrated you are with this, or just not having an intelligent response.

If you came back with some SUBSTANCE to challenge the Sodom and Gomorrah statement.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:30 PM - 24 August, 2010
(con't) that would hold more water...
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:37 PM - 24 August, 2010
Dude did you read anything i just wrote, his comment was "Sodom and Gomorrah - that's only reference I need..." which demonstrates my point, hes basing his views on gay marrage and gay activity on the bible, a story with no factual evidence to support it, so that teaching is the same teaching that is being used to hold back rights from homosexual citizens...WHICH IS MY WHOLE POINT, non religious people ARE NOT taking right from ANYONE they want everyone to do what they need to do to be happy and do them, if you want to go to a church and pray by all means if thats what gets you through the day so be it, but what we get from the other side is people trying to change our behavior to conform to their belief systems
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:39 PM - 24 August, 2010
HIs comment is the equivilent to me saying "i just watched boys in the hood thats the only reference i need" to say that african americans should not have any rights because their viloent
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which dosent lend any constructive info to the topic, you ARE the weakest link. If anything your proving my point, religion is devicive and uses its old teachings to take rights away and make everyone conform to THER beliefs. You believe god smelted sodom and gomorah and because of that story which could be completley false but because of that you think gays are evil and shouldnt exist or be happily married.....well if they dont believe in your teaching WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU to tell them where to stick their gentials.


That's just the thing - the Bible scriptures don't get old - they are eternal.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:39 PM - 24 August, 2010
What you seem to REALLY be challenging are RULES as a whole. People should be allowed to cuss any old kinda way, around kids because they'll just hear them anyway, etc..etc..

That's not how it works.

The world needs RULES to maintain ORDER.

Some may say that Religion is a tool to enforce those rules.

And so what?

Even this BOARD is a Microcosm (sp?) of the world.

They have rules...

You must follow them or be banned.

That's life.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:41 PM - 24 August, 2010
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What you seem to REALLY be challenging are RULES as a whole. People should be allowed to cuss any old kinda way, around kids because they'll just hear them anyway, etc..etc..

That's not how it works.

The world needs RULES to maintain ORDER.

Some may say that Religion is a tool to enforce those rules.

And so what?

Even this BOARD is a Microcosm (sp?) of the world.

They have rules...

You must follow them or be banned.

That's life.

No societey DOES Need rules but the rules dont need to be based on a faith based practice that everyone does nto subscribe to
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:42 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Sodom and Gomorrah - that's only reference I need...



which dosent lend any constructive info to the topic, you ARE the weakest link. If anything your proving my point, religion is devicive and uses its old teachings to take rights away and make everyone conform to THER beliefs. You believe god smelted sodom and gomorah and because of that story which could be completley false but because of that you think gays are evil and shouldnt exist or be happily married.....well if they dont believe in your teaching WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU to tell them where to stick their gentials.


That's just the thing - the Bible scriptures don't get old - they are eternal.

Yes and if everyone raised their kids to believe that if they didnt watch the matrix at least once a week that movie or they would suffer for eternity that movie would be eternal too......its a book and it was written by a guy
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:42 PM - 24 August, 2010
How do you know that some of the Serato board rules aren't Religiously based?
RogerRabbit 2:42 PM - 24 August, 2010
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What you seem to REALLY be challenging are RULES as a whole. People should be allowed to cuss any old kinda way, around kids because they'll just hear them anyway, etc..etc..

That's not how it works.

The world needs RULES to maintain ORDER.

Some may say that Religion is a tool to enforce those rules.

And so what?

Even this BOARD is a Microcosm (sp?) of the world.

They have rules...

You must follow them or be banned.

That's life.

No societey DOES Need rules but the rules dont need to be based on a faith based practice that everyone does nto subscribe to


Ha Ha - The majority of our rules are based on the 10 commandments..
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:43 PM - 24 August, 2010
No not at all, most of those rules were around BEFORE the 10 commandments
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:44 PM - 24 August, 2010
Stealing, killing, adultery were all no-nos LONG before the 10 commandments and the other commandments ARE NOT rules that govern societey
RogerRabbit 2:45 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Stealing, killing, adultery were all no-nos LONG before the 10 commandments and the other commandments ARE NOT rules that govern societey

You need to catch up on your history - you have no idea what you are talking about..
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:46 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Dj-M.Bezzle 2:47 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Stealing, killing, adultery were all no-nos LONG before the 10 commandments and the other commandments ARE NOT rules that govern societey

You need to catch up on your history - you have no idea what you are talking about..



You think stealing killing and adultery was perfectly fine by societal standards BEFORE the 10 commandments???
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:51 PM - 24 August, 2010
Which means that the egyptian, pagan, greek, roman ect ect ect....all who predated and DID NOT FOLLOW the 10 commandments as a religious doctrine had no punishment for these offences??? Intersting
RogerRabbit 2:52 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Stealing, killing, adultery were all no-nos LONG before the 10 commandments and the other commandments ARE NOT rules that govern societey

You need to catch up on your history - you have no idea what you are talking about..



You think stealing killing and adultery was perfectly fine by societal standards BEFORE the 10 commandments???


Like I said - go take a breather - go read up on history - or go Google some stuff - because you're really off base with this...
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:06 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Stealing, killing, adultery were all no-nos LONG before the 10 commandments and the other commandments ARE NOT rules that govern societey

You need to catch up on your history - you have no idea what you are talking about..



You think stealing killing and adultery was perfectly fine by societal standards BEFORE the 10 commandments???


Like I said - go take a breather - go read up on history - or go Google some stuff - because you're really off base with this...



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Which means that the egyptian, pagan, greek, roman ect ect ect....all who predated and DID NOT FOLLOW the 10 commandments as a religious doctrine had no punishment for these offences???
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:07 PM - 24 August, 2010
When moses chissled out those tablets he and his people were escaping the pharoh and the land of egypt as slaves correct??? Did that egyptian societey NOT have laws against murder stealing adultery ect ect??
Polanka 3:17 PM - 24 August, 2010
You know God made us in his image and so we are intelligent enough to make our own decisions and he will hold us accountable for those decisions. Stop looking around at others and thinking "why are they taking my tax payer dollars" and why this and why that. Why don't you focus on making yourself better. It is easy to point fingers around but its a whole different story when you fall down and then you are the one that needs assistance from the other tax payers. Tomorrow is not promised to you and anything can change at any given time. Why would you try to judge others when you are not perfect yourself?

M Bezzle I understand your frustration with people on the streets with the signs and I truly believe that is a little over board. If you would see me you would never think I am a Christian but if you knew me you would know by the way I live. I don't have to tell people they can see God in me. And so us Christians should live by example.


If your problem is with the institution as a whole then it gets very complicated. Because you can't put religion in one plate. There are many religions out there and they all have their own interpretation of the bible and what is right and wrong. So you don't like Mormons? Or Catholics the Vatican? So who are we talking about here?
d:raf 3:33 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Stealing, killing, adultery were all no-nos LONG before the 10 commandments and the other commandments ARE NOT rules that govern societey

You need to catch up on your history - you have no idea what you are talking about..


Remember Hammurabi's code? (1790 BC)

en.wikipedia.org
d:raf 3:38 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Remember Hammurabi's code? (1790 BC)

en.wikipedia.org


A better link with more of the actual laws (a long read; there were over 200 of them)

www.commonlaw.com
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:40 PM - 24 August, 2010
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M Bezzle I understand your frustration with people on the streets with the signs and I truly believe that is a little over board. If you would see me you would never think I am a Christian but if you knew me you would know by the way I live. I don't have to tell people they can see God in me. And so us Christians should live by example.


PERFECT, to me it sounds like you got the right idea there! Im down with that!


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If your problem is with the institution as a whole then it gets very complicated. Because you can't put religion in one plate. There are many religions out there and they all have their own interpretation of the bible and what is right and wrong. So you don't like Mormons? Or Catholics the Vatican? So who are we talking about here?


My beef is with any institution that excludes, belittles, devaluates, others beliefs. If you belive in a god and want to go to church because it makes you a better person than by all means persue your happiness but DO NOT try force others to conform to your beliefs, or do things to take away from others life experiences due to your own personal outlook.

As an agnostic i totally believe that its impossible to comprehend the existance of a higher power, i fully acknowledge the belief that I am a human which carries with it the imperfections of the human condition. This means I as anyone else CAN be wrong. If i die and there no heaven i wont be suprised, if i die and there is one i still wont be suprised. And i feel that if there IS a higher power it is impossible for a himan being to fully comprehend the thought or actions of such a power so inmy mind if there one it very may well be that the reason we have SOOOOO many variations of similiar topocs or trends is because the human mind cant fully comprehend or interprit the message. Therefor to me all could be right or all could be wrong. So for anyone, and this goes for not onlu christians, mormans, islamists, catjlocs, budists, pastafariand, AND AETHISTS to have a close minded outlook to say IM RIGH AND YOUR WRONG is an absolute mockey of things. I think everyone should their life believing in whatever it is that gets them through the day wether if thats god budah or the knowldege that you will have a cheeseburger for dinner when you get home.

This is why i love the idiocracy of the pastafaruian movment, i think its lunacy for a faith based system to cry about how their being discriminated against for their beliefs and deman fair time for ideas that they find perfectly valid but appear insane to others, but those same people will turn around and commit the same act their crying fould against because someone elses ideas that help them get through the day are even FURTHER out there than their own.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:44 PM - 24 August, 2010
2.0 with spelling corrections lol

My beef is with any institution that excludes, belittles, devaluates, others beliefs. If you belive in a god and want to go to church because it makes you a better person than by all means persue your happiness but DO NOT try force others to conform to your beliefs, or do things to take away from others life experiences due to your own personal outlook.

As an agnostic i totally believe that its impossible to comprehend the existance of a higher power, i fully acknowledge the belief that I am a human which carries with it the imperfections of the human condition. This means I as anyone else CAN be wrong. If i die and there no heaven i wont be suprised, if i die and there is one i still wont be suprised. And i feel that if there IS a higher power it is impossible for a human being to fully comprehend the thought or actions of such a power so in my mind if there one it very may well be that the reason we have SOOOOO many variations of similiar topics or trends is because the human mind cant fully comprehend or interprit the message. Therefor to me all could be right or all could be wrong. So for anyone, and this goes for not only christians, mormans, islamists, cathlocs, budists, pastafariand, AND AETHISTS to have a close minded outlook to say IM RIGH AND YOUR WRONG is an absolute mockey of things. I think everyone should their life believing in whatever it is that gets them through the day wether if thats god, budah, or the knowldege that you will have a cheeseburger for dinner when you get home.

This is why i love the idiocracy of the pastafaruian movment, i think its lunacy for a faith based system to cry about how they are being discriminated against for their beliefs and demand fair time for ideas that they find perfectly valid but appear insane to others, but those same people will turn around and commit the same act they are crying foul against because someone elses ideas that help them get through the day are even FURTHER out there than their own.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:47 PM - 24 August, 2010
Like I said earlier I live in the "bible belt" so religious issues are taken to an extreme here, mabye moreso that where alot of you are from. For example there was a big add campaing for this guy who was running for senate in alabama and his whole talking point for his campaign was that he was against teaching evolution is schools because evolution was not in the bible and was attacking his opponent because his opponent believed that both inteligent design and evolution should be taught. I think that even the issue of using that as your main campain stratagey is INSANE but the fact that he is a VALID CONTENDER AND ITS WORKING shows the religious climate I have to deal with
Polanka 3:55 PM - 24 August, 2010
This is where intelligence comes to play. You have so many choices but what is the right one?

I was never converted by any particular person of church. I made the choice to seek God! No on put a gun to my head. I am very stubborn and felt like many of you about religion. I thought they were living in a fairytale and that they should wake up. But I found out the opposite that I was the one living the fairytale. Making my own rules and relying on myself.

I guess I would of never been a Christian if I didn't seek him first. I would be on my own, making my own rules and standards. It would be my way of the highway!

FYI.

Living life by my own rules led to the destruction of my marriage. And in turn led to depression and alcohol abuse.

Honestly I don't know where I would be today without God?
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:58 PM - 24 August, 2010
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You know God made us in his image and so we are intelligent enough to make our own decisions and he will hold us accountable for those decisions.


I dont really agree with that though because i dont think many peopel "choose" their belief system. Mabye some do but for someone like me i didnt just wake up and go "hey i dont think im going to believe in this stuff anymore" It just dosnet feel right to me, i could go through my hole life "acting" like it makes sence to me like i suspect alot of people do but thats not a true belief.

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Stop looking around at others and thinking "why are they taking my tax payer dollars" and why this and why that. Why don't you focus on making yourself better. It is easy to point fingers around but its a whole different story when you fall down and then you are the one that needs assistance from the other tax payers.


Who said im not bettering myself?? I just dont need a higher power and a belief system to want to and strive to be better. I also dont mind helping people when their down, im all for helping someone whos fallen and wants to get up, as i may need that someday too, my issue is with people who dont fall, they just sit there and want the world brought to them. As far as the child issue I made a conscience decesion to have safe sex and not have one, but my money is going to people who are popping them out left and right making the same mistakes over and over and useing them to get checks that are very often NOT evem going to the intended purpose. That is money I could be using to suport MY loved ones or myself for that matter, ive def been in times where ive had an empty bank account and had to wait till payday to eat where that tax money that I worked to earn that is feeding someone NOT working could have been used to feed myself. I understand societal laws that are made to help people shouldnt be made or taken based on the misuse of those laws but at the same time that misuse is prevalant and not right
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:02 PM - 24 August, 2010
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This is where intelligence comes to play. You have so many choices but what is the right one?

I was never converted by any particular person of church. I made the choice to seek God! No on put a gun to my head. I am very stubborn and felt like many of you about religion. I thought they were living in a fairytale and that they should wake up. But I found out the opposite that I was the one living the fairytale. Making my own rules and relying on myself.

I guess I would of never been a Christian if I didn't seek him first. I would be on my own, making my own rules and standards. It would be my way of the highway!

FYI.

Living life by my own rules led to the destruction of my marriage. And in turn led to depression and alcohol abuse.

Honestly I don't know where I would be today without God?


And thats my point, the rules you made for yourself led to destruction, obviously you NEED that help, you werent living right and you NEED those guidelines to tell you what you need to do. So if thats what makes you a better person then by all means go for it. But everyone isnt like that, the rules i govern myself by have put me in a VERY happy place. My life rocks im surrounded by great people im moving in a positive direction, i help out people when i can and most of all i ddo my best to uplift those around me, not belittle them and depress or oppress them because they dont share my own beliefs.
Polanka 4:21 PM - 24 August, 2010
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And thats my point, the rules you made for yourself led to destruction, obviously you NEED that help, you werent living right and you NEED those guidelines to tell you what you need to do. So if thats what makes you a better person then by all means go for it. But everyone isnt like that, the rules i govern myself by have put me in a VERY happy place. My life rocks im surrounded by great people im moving in a positive direction, i help out people when i can and most of all i ddo my best to uplift those around me, not belittle them and depress or oppress them because they dont share my own beliefs.


What are the rules you govern yourself by? Can you elaborate more on how your life rocks? Whats is the positive direction that you are moving towards?
sixxx 4:26 PM - 24 August, 2010
Religions get updated all the time. Old lies vs new lies.
Polanka 4:29 PM - 24 August, 2010
Sixxx so you are an Atheist?
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:30 PM - 24 August, 2010
I dont have a specefic set of rules per se but i do have my own sence of what i think is right and wrong for myself everyoneand what i will and wont do as i dont believe that what is right and wrong for me necessarily aplies to anyone or everyone else. My lifes awsome, I have not 1 but 2 jobs i enjoy, i work in 2 fields i have interst in, i have a college degree and im working on my MBA, im financially stable, i have a great group of friends and i have great relationships with not only my friends but members with the opposite sex. Ive accomplished the 1st steps of my dream by becoming a successful working DJ and my name as such is known in my area. Great fam whos doing well themselves, my parents are more than financially secure my lil bro is in a band thats doing GREAT (better than my DJ career LOL). Ive taken advantage of the oppritunities given to me to help less fortuanate friends out, ive gotten my friends not only jobs at my day job but ive now populated the staff at my club with friends of mine who needed jobs and in doing such im building my personal dj carrer into something larger. I have a solid grasp on my own personal belief structure I have focus drive and passion and i generally wake up every day in a great mood ready to take on the world!
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:30 PM - 24 August, 2010
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nope hes the devil lol
AKIEM 4:32 PM - 24 August, 2010
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The Army does it.

Walmart does it.

McDonalds does it.

And we as DJ's do it.

Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?


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Meditation is a mental exercise or a focus that does not necessarily include a being or force outside of ones self. Prayer, on the other hand requires belief in a being or force (not even necessarily a supernatural being) outside of ones self to comunicate with.


See, I could ALMOST rock with this, except, in order to "focus" you need some type of object, either internal or external to direct thoughts about.

One's SELF can be seen as a "God", so that automatically equates the practice with Prayer.


Again, the difference between meditation and prayer is that prayer is attempting to communicate with something or someone other then ones self. Asking or hoping for something to happen. While meditation is a technique to focus thought for no other reason but to focus thought and the benefits of doing so without hoping or asking for something to happen.

You do not have to see ones self as "God" in order to meditate, far from it.

You are only considering the sameness to 'proclaim' them the same and ignoring the differences in order to, well be ignoring them.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:34 PM - 24 August, 2010
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You are only considering the sameness to 'proclaim' them the same and ignoring the differences in order to, well be ignoring them.


He tends to do that, it would be a lovley change of pace if he would at least have the courtesey to kinda hide the fact thats hes doing this, mabye disguise it as a logical interpretation sometimes
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:35 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Again, the difference between meditation and prayer is that prayer is attempting to communicate with something or someone other then ones self. Asking or hoping for something to happen. While meditation is a technique to focus thought for no other reason but to focus thought and the benefits of doing so without hoping or asking for something to happen.

You do not have to see ones self as "God" in order to meditate, far from it


+1, to me their the exact opposite where in prayer your asking for help, power advice, from a higher power and admiting you need the extra help from something other than yourself. Meditation is you taking control of your own life\destiny and convincing YOURSELF that YOU can do\obtain your goal
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:39 PM - 24 August, 2010
But more importantly in my life i wake up every morining knowing I am responsible for MYSELF and that I have the power to do and accomplish whatever i need to or want to. I dont wait for something or someones help
sixxx 4:40 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Sixxx so you are an Atheist?


No. I believe in God for I am it. Some call me Satan but we are both the same.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:44 PM - 24 August, 2010
^ LMFAO...right when i thought this thread couldnt get any better and had run outta juice, energizer sixxx shows up LOL. With characters like these how could my life NOT rock LOL
DJ Sniffles 4:52 PM - 24 August, 2010
Believe what you want and don't worry what the next guy is following? Unless you're a conservative Christian. Then you HAVE to butt your nose in their business and conform them. I hate those bastards.
Polanka 4:52 PM - 24 August, 2010
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No. I believe in God for I am it. Some call me Satan but we are both the same.


I thought we were having grown up talk here? Looks like its over now. Its comedy hour! I will be back as soon as we are back on track.

Have a great day Sixxx!
AKIEM 4:56 PM - 24 August, 2010
If you google "egyptian 42 negative confessions" you will find a moral code which pre-date and are simular to the "10 commandments" in many ways.

Also, "THE TEN COMMANDMENTS" are not found in the bible, they are paraphrasing of bible passages so they come out as a neat list. And they were not the only laws given to Moses just the first ten, there are more.
sixxx 4:59 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Sixxx so you are an Atheist?


No. I believe in God for I am it. Some call me Satan but we are both the same.


I thought we were having grown up talk here? Looks like its over now. Its comedy hour! I will be back as soon as we are back on track.

Have a great day Sixxx!


Fine. Next time you find yourself praying and realize it didn't work. You'll know why. I was too busy ignoring your prayer.
sixxx 5:06 PM - 24 August, 2010
Btw.... for all you praying to me. Please realize that some of your prayers are conflicting with other people's prayers. Please organize yourself.
DJ Sniffles 5:28 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Btw.... for all you praying to me. Please realize that some of your prayers are conflicting with other people's prayers. Please organize yourself.


My Jewish lawyer will make sure I make the right prayer.
sixxx 5:30 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Btw.... for all you praying to me. Please realize that some of your prayers are conflicting with other people's prayers. Please organize yourself.


My Jewish lawyer will make sure I make the right prayer.


Is he certified? Please verify this. Thanks
djaction 5:35 PM - 24 August, 2010
God is dead. He killed himself after realizing he created a mistake as big as Mbezzle.
sixxx 5:38 PM - 24 August, 2010
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God gives head.


Personal attack?
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:41 PM - 24 August, 2010
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God is dead. He killed himself after realizing he created a mistake as big as Mbezzle.



huh him AND my mom...i really made an inpact on the world didnt i
DLBreaks 6:20 PM - 24 August, 2010
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LOL at trying to make the rest of the world agree. Like I said, it's no different than any Sales or Marketing campaign of ANY product or service.

Everybody has the right to offer a service.

The Army does it.

Walmart does it.

McDonalds does it.

And we as DJ's do it.

Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?


Not just christianity but every religion because religion is stupid and silly act
sixxx 6:23 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Not just christianity but every religion because religion is stupid and silly act


Comments like that won't let you into my Kingdom.
DLBreaks 6:26 PM - 24 August, 2010
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This dude is praying to himself.


Im not fuckin praying to myself get over yourself already
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:27 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Again, the difference between meditation and prayer is that prayer is attempting to communicate with something or someone other then ones self. Asking or hoping for something to happen. While meditation is a technique to focus thought for no other reason but to focus thought and the benefits of doing so without hoping or asking for something to happen.


This part, I have to respectfully disagree with. Let's say that a person has turmoil in their life. Now they go and Meditate to bring themselves Peace. That is EFFECTIVELY hoping/asking for something to happen, i.e. bring peace of mind, so that's JUST like praying.


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You do not have to see ones self as "God" in order to meditate, far from it.


I didn't say you HAD to, I said ONE CAN see themselves as a "God" or a standalone spirit, and pray/meditate to themselves.

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You are only considering the sameness to 'proclaim' them the same and ignoring the differences in order to, well be ignoring them.


I disagree.
DLBreaks 6:29 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Its one thing to mareket a service but its another thing entirley to force that service on you, walmart mcdonalds and the army are the ones keeping people who dont agree with them from being happy, they arent the ones keeping gay people from being married, their not the ones telling a woman that they DONT know what she can or cant do to their body, their not the ones using antiquated ideas to limit scientific advancments that would help all of CURRENT mankind.


+1
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:30 PM - 24 August, 2010
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No. I believe in God for I am it. Some call me Satan but we are both the same.


I thought we were having grown up talk here? Looks like its over now. Its comedy hour! I will be back as soon as we are back on track.

Have a great day Sixxx!


Hey, some humor is expected, but it can be seen for what it is, and at the same time offer a grown conversation.

People just have to balance the two.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:33 PM - 24 August, 2010
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LOL at trying to make the rest of the world agree. Like I said, it's no different than any Sales or Marketing campaign of ANY product or service.

Everybody has the right to offer a service.

The Army does it.

Walmart does it.

McDonalds does it.

And we as DJ's do it.

Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?


Not just christianity but every religion because religion is stupid and silly act


So again, WHY single out RELIGION? You need to get at ANYBODY and EVERYBODY who tries to convince you to buy, join, sample, experience, rent, or acquire something.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:33 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I have to respectfully disagree with. Let's say that a person has turmoil in their life. Now they go and Meditate to bring themselves Peace. That is EFFECTIVELY hoping/asking for something to happen, i.e. bring peace of mind, so that's JUST like praying.


No your not asking some other beign for peace your bringing peace to yourself, being upset, being happy, being upset or anxious, its all about the chemistry in your own head. When you meditate on it your taking control of your own body and making it perform the way YOU want to not asking for some mystikal being to come relieve it for you
CMOS 6:35 PM - 24 August, 2010
You all got diarhea of the keyboards. And not enough work to do.


:P


Preach on.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:35 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Im not fuckin praying to myself get over yourself already


You are closing your eyes, and repeating something a million times to bring you closure.

That my dude, is praying, but alas it's to a word.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:36 PM - 24 August, 2010
So you have to "TALK" to your body to get it to do something?
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:36 PM - 24 August, 2010
www.buzzle.com


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The basic idea behind most forms of meditation is to focus the mind on turning inward, to pay attention to your inner self and center your consciousness so that your mind is open and clear. During meditation, the purpose of this inward concentration is to remove all outside distractions and quiet the chatter inside your head so that you can hear the voice of God.

Prayer is essentially the exact opposite of meditation. During prayer, you clear your mind of all outside distractions in order to be able to focus your thoughts on the prayer itself and the answers you hope to find by praying. In essence, we meditate so that God can speak to us; we pray so that we can speak to God.

Every religion known to man instructs believers to have faith in a Higher Power to listen to their prayers, and to be confident that everything that happens in life is orchestrated by that Higher Power. Because of having faith in God to take care of everything in life, praying selflessly is considered to be the ideal way to pray. It is totally unnecessary to pray for oneself if God is in control and everything happens for a reason known to God. The stronger your faith, the easier it is to direct prayers outward for others rather than inward for self. For example, a person whose faith is uncertain or not fully developed may pray that God will relieve them from suffering or troubled times. But a very faithful person who does not doubt the power of God will consider that their own troubles may be a gift from God, or a test to make them stronger in their faith and in their life. As a result of this recognition, faithful people will likely send prayers to God for others to be relieved from suffering. Spiritual growth depends on having faith that God will take care of you, and therefore spending time praying for others, selflessly.

People who pray selflessly are usually the people who are most likely to meditate regularly as well. The meditation practiced by such people is typically free of selfish desires already, because their prayers are outwardly focused, and therefore they will be more open to filling their inner selves with God’s inspiration and direction. In fact, there is a specific "prayer meditation" that combines the best elements of both types of spiritual journeys.

To practice prayer meditation, sit quietly and center yourself as usual. But instead of focusing on clearing your mind, imagine yourself praying to God. Witness your prayer silently, objectively, without comparisons or judgments, and then say a prayer to God for yourself. Say a prayer for another person. Pray for everyone you know, and everything in your life. Continue praying steadily - ten times, a dozen times, or however many times it takes for you to feel as though you have prayed enough.

By actually witnessing yourself praying, objectively from the outside looking inward, you will discover that praying for others makes you feel good about yourself. So by practicing prayer meditation, you are simultaneously praying for other people while you are opening your inner self to the blessing of God making you happy and taking your troubles away. Combining prayer and meditation is the best of both worlds
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:37 PM - 24 August, 2010
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So you have to "TALK" to your body to get it to do something?


In a way you ALWAYS talk to your body to get it to do something. If you want to pick up a penncil you LOOK at the pencil then think and your arm moves to grab it, itrs about focus on yuor own body. Some actions require more focus than others
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:39 PM - 24 August, 2010
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The Value of Visualization

Visualization involves closing your eyes and using your imagination to envision something you’d like to experience, be or create in your life. Visualization supports natural healing so some use it as a way to visualize the cells in their body repairing and healing themselves. Visualization may include self-talk – for example, going over your body and telling each limb that it is relaxing and releasing tension as a way to feel calm and peaceful. I’ve found that creative visualization is most helpful when all of the senses are involved – sight, sound, and texture, as well as imagining feelings and sensations.

Visualization is a powerful tool to use when setting goals as the body doesn’t know the difference between what is real and imagined. When a person imagines achieving something, the mind and body see this as a possibility which builds confidence. What would your day be like if you closed your eyes and imagined every aspect of it going smoothly and easily, and then tuned into feelings of joy and enthusiasm? I’m sure you’d have a better chance of creating this experience in your life if you envisioned it than if you didn’t. Try it and find out for yourself.

Dj-M.Bezzle 6:45 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Meditation is a holistic discipline during which time the practitioner trains his or her mind in order to realize some benefit.

Meditation is generally a subjective, personal experience and most often done without any external involvement, except perhaps prayer beads to count prayers. Meditation often involves invoking and cultivating a feeling or internal state, such as compassion, or attending to some focal point, etc. The term can refer to the process of reaching this state, as well as to the state itself.

DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:45 PM - 24 August, 2010
Then if thats' the case, why even Meditate? Just tell your body to GET OVER whatever it is that ails you.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:47 PM - 24 August, 2010
Another key point is we scientifically know how meditation works

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According to the National Institute of Health (NIH), "Practicing meditation has been shown to induce some changes in the body...Some types of meditation might work by affecting the autonomic (involuntary) nervous system." The sympathetic nervous system and parasympathetic nervous system are two divisions of the autonomic nervous system of the body. The sympathetic nervous system is responsible for our reaction to stress or fear and is colloquially known as the "flight-or-flight" system. The parasympathetic nervous system is active during times of rest and associated with "rest and digest". The NIH goes on, "It is thought that some types of meditation might work by reducing activity in the sympathetic nervous system and increasing activity in the parasympathetic nervous system."

Goleman: Amygdala and pre-frontal cortex
One theory, presented by Daniel Goleman & Tara Bennett-Goleman] suggests that meditation[clarification needed] works because of the relationship between the amygdala and the prefrontal cortex. In very simple terms, the amygdala is the part of the brain that decides if we should get angry or anxious (among other things), and the pre-frontal cortex is the part that makes us stop and think about things (it is also known as the inhibitory centre).

The prefrontal cortex is very good at analyzing and planning, but it takes a long time to make decisions. The amygdala, on the other hand, is simpler in evolutionary terms). It makes rapid judgments about a situation and has a powerful effect on our emotions and behaviour, linked to survival needs. For example, if a human sees a lion leaping out at them, the amygdala will trigger a fight or flight response long before the prefrontal cortex responds.

But in making snap judgments, our amygdalas are prone to error[citation needed], such as seeing danger where there is none] This is particularly true in contemporary society where social conflicts are far more common than encounters with predators, and a basically harmless but emotionally charged situation can trigger uncontrollable fear or anger — leading to conflict, anxiety, and stress.

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Then if thats' the case, why even Meditate? Just tell your body to GET OVER whatever it is that ails you.


Thats what your doing lol


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Studies done by Yale, Harvard, Massachusetts General Hospital have shown that meditation increases gray matter in the brain and slows down the deterioration of the brain as a part of the natural aging process.

The experiment included 20 individuals with intensive Buddhist "insight meditation" training and 15 who did not meditate. The brain scan revealed that those who meditated have an increased thickness of gray matter in parts of the brain that are responsible for attention and processing sensory input. The increase in thickness ranged between .004 and .008 inches (3.175 x 10−6m - 6.35 x 10 −6m) and was proportional to the amount of meditation. The study also showed that meditation helps slow down brain deterioration due to aging.

A study involving the participation of a group of colleges students, who were asked to use a meditation technique called integrative body-mind training, concluded that "meditating may improve the integrity and efficiency of certain connections in the brain" through an increase in their number and robustnes Brain scans showed strong white matter changes in the anterior cingulate cortex.

Dr. James Austin, a neurophysiologist at the University of Colorado, reported that meditation in Zen "rewires the circuitry" of the brain in his book Zen and the Brain (Austin, 1999). This has been confirmed using functional MRI imaging, a brain scanning technique that measures blood flow in the brain.


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Studies have shown that meditation has both short-term and long-term effects on various perceptual faculties.

In 1984, Brown et al. conducted a study that measured the absolute threshold of perception for light stimulus duration in practitioners and non-practitioners of mindfulness meditation. The results showed that meditators have a significantly lower detection threshold for light stimuli of short duration.

In 2000, Tloczynski et al. studied the perception of visual illusions (the Müller-Lyer Illusion and the Poggendorff Illusion) by zen masters, novice meditators, and non-meditators. There were no statistically significant effects found for the Müller-Lyer illusion, however, there were for the Poggendorff. The zen masters experienced a statistically significant reduction in initial illusion (measured as error in millimeters) and a lower decrement in illusion for subsequent trials.

The theory of mechanism behind the changes in perception that accompany mindfulness meditation is described thus by Tloczynski:

“A person who meditates consequently perceives objects more as directly experienced stimuli and less as concepts… With the removal or minimization of cognitive stimuli and generally increasing awareness, meditation can therefore influence both the quality (accuracy) and quantity (detection) of perception.”[cite this quote]

Brown also points to this as a possible explanation of the phenomenon: “[the higher rate of detection of single light flashes] involves quieting some of the higher mental processes which normally obstruct the perception of subtle events.” In other words, the practice may temporarily or permanently alter some of the top-down processing involved in filtering subtle events usually deemed noise by the perceptual filters.

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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:49 PM - 24 August, 2010
If THAT'S what you're doing, then you don't have to go to a quiet area, sit down, close your eyes, and repeat any words...

Just "Thnk It" and it should be fixed...right?

Oh, wait no, you have to go through a "Ritual".....
DJ Sniffles 6:51 PM - 24 August, 2010
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LOL at trying to make the rest of the world agree. Like I said, it's no different than any Sales or Marketing campaign of ANY product or service.

Everybody has the right to offer a service.

The Army does it.

Walmart does it.

McDonalds does it.

And we as DJ's do it.

Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?


The Army doesn't do shit but follow orders. It's the gov that makes those decisions. Your representatives. Don't single out my homies
DLBreaks 6:53 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Sixxx so you are an Atheist?


No. I believe in God for I am it. Some call me Satan but we are both the same.


hell yea sixx
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:55 PM - 24 August, 2010
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If THAT'S what you're doing, then you don't have to go to a quiet area, sit down, close your eyes, and repeat any words...

Just "Thnk It" and it should be fixed...right?

Oh, wait no, you have to go through a "Ritual".....



If i told you to write a reasearch paper would you find it easier to write the paper in a quiet room by yourself or in the middle of a frat party with the music blarring??

Your re-writing brain patterns and materialising concepts, its not blinking. Some things require more focus than others. When your lifting weights there are correct forms in order to work out the muscles properly, this is no different
DLBreaks 6:55 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Sixxx so you are an Atheist?


No. I believe in God for I am it. Some call me Satan but we are both the same.


I thought we were having grown up talk here? Looks like its over now. Its comedy hour! I will be back as soon as we are back on track.

Have a great day Sixxx!


polanka is butt hurt
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:55 PM - 24 August, 2010
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LOL at trying to make the rest of the world agree. Like I said, it's no different than any Sales or Marketing campaign of ANY product or service.

Everybody has the right to offer a service.

The Army does it.

Walmart does it.

McDonalds does it.

And we as DJ's do it.

Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?


The Army doesn't do shit but follow orders. It's the gov that makes those decisions. Your representatives. Don't single out my homies


No, I'm talking about the RECRUITERS. They offer/sell/entice you into a Service, no?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:57 PM - 24 August, 2010
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LOL at trying to make the rest of the world agree. Like I said, it's no different than any Sales or Marketing campaign of ANY product or service.

Everybody has the right to offer a service.

The Army does it.

Walmart does it.

McDonalds does it.

And we as DJ's do it.

Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?


The Army doesn't do shit but follow orders. It's the gov that makes those decisions. Your representatives. Don't single out my homies


No, I'm talking about the RECRUITERS. They offer/sell/entice you into a Service, no?


And how am I "singling" them out if I listed 3 other groups that "Do it"?
DLBreaks 6:57 PM - 24 August, 2010
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God is dead. He killed himself after realizing he created a mistake as big as Mbezzle.


how can something be dead if it was never born in the 1st place
DLBreaks 6:59 PM - 24 August, 2010
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LOL at trying to make the rest of the world agree. Like I said, it's no different than any Sales or Marketing campaign of ANY product or service.

Everybody has the right to offer a service.

The Army does it.

Walmart does it.

McDonalds does it.

And we as DJ's do it.

Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?


Not just christianity but every religion because religion is stupid and silly act


So again, WHY single out RELIGION? You need to get at ANYBODY and EVERYBODY who tries to convince you to buy, join, sample, experience, rent, or acquire something.


i do because im atheist duh
DLBreaks 7:00 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Then if thats' the case, why even Meditate? Just tell your body to GET OVER whatever it is that ails you.


I thought u claim yourself as this intelligent tea and crumpets proper english how do you do today sir...
sixxx 7:01 PM - 24 August, 2010
God is for the weak.


If you believe what I just said, perhaps you're weak for believing what I just said.
If you don't believe what I just said, perhaps you're weak for believing there is a God.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:01 PM - 24 August, 2010
DLBreaks 7:03 PM - 24 August, 2010
sixxx 7:04 PM - 24 August, 2010


I could send you to hell for that.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:04 PM - 24 August, 2010
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:04 PM - 24 August, 2010
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LOL at trying to make the rest of the world agree. Like I said, it's no different than any Sales or Marketing campaign of ANY product or service.

Everybody has the right to offer a service.

The Army does it.

Walmart does it.

McDonalds does it.

And we as DJ's do it.

Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?


Not just christianity but every religion because religion is stupid and silly act


So again, WHY single out RELIGION? You need to get at ANYBODY and EVERYBODY who tries to convince you to buy, join, sample, experience, rent, or acquire something.


i do because im atheist duh


LMAO! Ok, that was funny.
DLBreaks 7:06 PM - 24 August, 2010
not to get technical here, but when you go to hell ur suppose feel extreme pain and torture, but when you die your nervous system also dies, so how do you feel pain without a nervous system and brain.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:08 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Then if thats' the case, why even Meditate? Just tell your body to GET OVER whatever it is that ails you.


I thought u claim yourself as this intelligent tea and crumpets proper english how do you do today sir...


Right, and? Did I spell something wrong?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:08 PM - 24 August, 2010
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not to get technical here, but when you go to hell ur suppose feel extreme pain and torture, but when you die your nervous system also dies, so how do you feel pain without a nervous system and brain.


I would suppose your SOUL would feel the pain...I don't know yet, haven't been dead yet....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:09 PM - 24 August, 2010
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God is for the weak.

If you believe what I just said, perhaps you're weak for believing what I just said.
If you don't believe what I just said, perhaps you're weak for believing there is a God.


So why are you calling yourself weak?
DLBreaks 7:10 PM - 24 August, 2010
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not to get technical here, but when you go to hell ur suppose feel extreme pain and torture, but when you die your nervous system also dies, so how do you feel pain without a nervous system and brain.


I would suppose your SOUL would feel the pain...I don't know yet, haven't been dead yet....


but there is no soul thats just an expression just like luck and miracles theyr all just expressions
sixxx 7:11 PM - 24 August, 2010
Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.
sixxx 7:12 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.


Religious items or services (as in church services) are sold to people and profits is made.
DLBreaks 7:12 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.

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sixxx 7:13 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.


Religious items or services (as in church services) are sold to people and profits is made.


The notion that Churches are non-profit organizations, is a false one.
sixxx 7:13 PM - 24 August, 2010
I am still God. You owe me $1000 dollars for every major prayer that I make you believe happened because of me.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:17 PM - 24 August, 2010
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not to get technical here, but when you go to hell ur suppose feel extreme pain and torture, but when you die your nervous system also dies, so how do you feel pain without a nervous system and brain.


I would suppose your SOUL would feel the pain...I don't know yet, haven't been dead yet....


but there is no soul thats just an expression just like luck and miracles theyr all just expressions


How do you know there's no such thing as a soul?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:19 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.


So, that's societys structure today.

Everything is marketed. And we as DJ's market ourselves.
DLBreaks 7:19 PM - 24 August, 2010
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not to get technical here, but when you go to hell ur suppose feel extreme pain and torture, but when you die your nervous system also dies, so how do you feel pain without a nervous system and brain.


I would suppose your SOUL would feel the pain...I don't know yet, haven't been dead yet....


but there is no soul thats just an expression just like luck and miracles theyr all just expressions


How do you know there's no such thing as a soul?


by using reason and logic
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:20 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.


Religious items or services (as in church services) are sold to people and profits is made.


Right, and what's wrong with generating funds to keep the church afloat?

PSE&G is not accepting IOU's from God (you) these days....

Whuzzup with that credit mayne?
sixxx 7:20 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.


So, that's societys structure today.

Everything is marketed. And we as DJ's market ourselves.


Not today. It's always been that way..... people will always take advantage of others as soon as they realize it can be done.
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not to get technical here, but when you go to hell ur suppose feel extreme pain and torture, but when you die your nervous system also dies, so how do you feel pain without a nervous system and brain.


I would suppose your SOUL would feel the pain...I don't know yet, haven't been dead yet....


but there is no soul thats just an expression just like luck and miracles theyr all just expressions


How do you know there's no such thing as a soul?


by using reason and logic


Ok, you've got my attention...

Use reason and logic to explain to me why you think there is no such thing as a soul.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:21 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Then if thats' the case, why even Meditate? Just tell your body to GET OVER whatever it is that ails you.


I thought u claim yourself as this intelligent tea and crumpets proper english how do you do today sir...



Ive always got the impression he was that dude that everyone knows who hops in conversations and says something that has nothing to do with the conversation AS IF it was the answer everyone was looking for and sits there smugly smiling while everyone else trys to figure out what on earth hes talking about, and most just let him think he won because because arguing would just further convulute the situation

Billy: The transmission on my car went out

Suzy: damn how much to fix it
Billy: $500, i dont know where im going to get that money from and i need a ride to work

Johnny: Thats why I bought a ferret instead of a Dog they eat less so less trips to the store
Smiles smugly

Billy: Ummm i dont have a pet its just an old car

Johnny: No you dont underrstand ferrets only go through ONE bag a month so i only have to go to the store ONCE a month
Smiles smuggly

Billy: Ya but dude i dont go to the store at all to....

Suzy: Just drop it

Johnny: See YOU NEED A FERRET...Smiles and walks away.

Hours later you walk by another group of people starring blankly as johnny explains how gas costs are directionally proportional to people consumption of chicken wings at applebees
DLBreaks 7:21 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.


Religious items or services (as in church services) are sold to people and profits is made.


Right, and what's wrong with generating funds to keep the church afloat?

PSE&G is not accepting IOU's from God (you) these days....

Whuzzup with that credit mayne?


because a church is a waste of space just like a golf course
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:22 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.


Religious items or services (as in church services) are sold to people and profits is made.


Right, and what's wrong with generating funds to keep the church afloat?

PSE&G is not accepting IOU's from God (you) these days....

Whuzzup with that credit mayne?


Sure upkeep is one thing...churches DO NOT need olympic size swimming pools, basketball courts, gyms, LCD TVs and the preachers DO NOT need beamers bentlys and benzes
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:23 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.


Religious items or services (as in church services) are sold to people and profits is made.


Right, and what's wrong with generating funds to keep the church afloat?

PSE&G is not accepting IOU's from God (you) these days....

Whuzzup with that credit mayne?


because a church is a waste of space just like a golf course


Ok, so let's hear the reason and logic behind that statement...

I'm all ears....
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:23 PM - 24 August, 2010
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not to get technical here, but when you go to hell ur suppose feel extreme pain and torture, but when you die your nervous system also dies, so how do you feel pain without a nervous system and brain.


I would suppose your SOUL would feel the pain...I don't know yet, haven't been dead yet....


but there is no soul thats just an expression just like luck and miracles theyr all just expressions


How do you know there's no such thing as a soul?


by using reason and logic


Ok, you've got my attention...

Use reason and logic to explain to me why you think there is no such thing as a soul.



Do dogs cats and ferrets have souls??
sixxx 7:23 PM - 24 August, 2010
Your initial "faith" or religion will be dictated most likely by location and who you're born to.

If your parents are Catholic, Christians, Muslims, etc, guess what you'll be?

All you have to do is look at a map of where most religions are concentrated and you'll see what I mean.


However, society has shifted. More and more people are married outside of their own religion which shifts the way those new children are raised when it comes to religion.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:24 PM - 24 August, 2010
It's really entertaining how you yearn for my attention, when I'm clearly talking around you....lol.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:25 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Your initial "faith" or religion will be dictated most likely by location and who you're born to.

If your parents are Catholic, Christians, Muslims, etc, guess what you'll be?

All you have to do is look at a map of where most religions are concentrated and you'll see what I mean.


However, society has shifted. More and more people are married outside of their own religion which shifts the way those new children are raised when it comes to religion.


Ok, and this pertains to what part of this converasation again?

No, seriously, I think I missed something...

Where did the Geographical piece come into play?
sixxx 7:25 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Your initial "faith" or religion will be dictated most likely by location and who you're born to.

If your parents are Catholic, Christians, Muslims, etc, guess what you'll be?

All you have to do is look at a map of where most religions are concentrated and you'll see what I mean.


However, society has shifted. More and more people are married outside of their own religion which shifts the way those new children are raised when it comes to religion.


Then, you have those groups of people that set out to help others.... AT THE PRICE OF ENLIGHTENMENT. You see these very often in groups that go to 3rd world countries IN NEED.... and they'll help. At a cost. The word of God. Their God.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:26 PM - 24 August, 2010
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It's really entertaining how you yearn for my attention, when I'm clearly talking around you....lol.



yet there you seem to be talkin TO me hmm interesting
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:27 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Your initial "faith" or religion will be dictated most likely by location and who you're born to.

If your parents are Catholic, Christians, Muslims, etc, guess what you'll be?

All you have to do is look at a map of where most religions are concentrated and you'll see what I mean.


However, society has shifted. More and more people are married outside of their own religion which shifts the way those new children are raised when it comes to religion.


Then, you have those groups of people that set out to help others.... AT THE PRICE OF ENLIGHTENMENT. You see these very often in groups that go to 3rd world countries IN NEED.... and they'll help. At a cost. The word of God. Their God.


Ok, I see where you're going, but how did this tangent come up?
DLBreaks 7:27 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.


Religious items or services (as in church services) are sold to people and profits is made.


Right, and what's wrong with generating funds to keep the church afloat?

PSE&G is not accepting IOU's from God (you) these days....

Whuzzup with that credit mayne?


because a church is a waste of space just like a golf course


Ok, so let's hear the reason and logic behind that statement...

I'm all ears....


Its been thousands of years and theres still no proof of evidence of afterlife, soul, god and not even one sign. Need i say more
sixxx 7:28 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Your initial "faith" or religion will be dictated most likely by location and who you're born to.

If your parents are Catholic, Christians, Muslims, etc, guess what you'll be?

All you have to do is look at a map of where most religions are concentrated and you'll see what I mean.


However, society has shifted. More and more people are married outside of their own religion which shifts the way those new children are raised when it comes to religion.


Then, you have those groups of people that set out to help others.... AT THE PRICE OF ENLIGHTENMENT. You see these very often in groups that go to 3rd world countries IN NEED.... and they'll help. At a cost. The word of God. Their God.


Ok, I see where you're going, but how did this tangent come up?


I am God. There are no tangents. Only truthitudes.

Yes. Truthitudes.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:28 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Your initial "faith" or religion will be dictated most likely by location and who you're born to.

If your parents are Catholic, Christians, Muslims, etc, guess what you'll be?

All you have to do is look at a map of where most religions are concentrated and you'll see what I mean.


However, society has shifted. More and more people are married outside of their own religion which shifts the way those new children are raised when it comes to religion.


Ok, and this pertains to what part of this converasation again?

No, seriously, I think I missed something...

Where did the Geographical piece come into play?


Easy because it your born in India where the major religion is NOT christian, your going to believe what everyone around you teaches you and believes in theirselves. So if your born in India your most likley NOT going to grow up to be a christianm, your not going to believe the folowings of jesus and youd laugh at anyone who told you different because you would KNOW that you were right.
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Religion (and the belief that there is a God) was born when people realized that it's easy to manipulate others to sell a product, a service, or an idea.

You're weak if you do, you're weak if you don't.


Religious items or services (as in church services) are sold to people and profits is made.


Right, and what's wrong with generating funds to keep the church afloat?

PSE&G is not accepting IOU's from God (you) these days....

Whuzzup with that credit mayne?


because a church is a waste of space just like a golf course


Ok, so let's hear the reason and logic behind that statement...

I'm all ears....


Its been thousands of years and theres still no proof of evidence of afterlife, soul, god and not even one sign. Need i say more


YES, you need to say more. What tests were done? Who did them? What were the results?

You have to show me Proof as to why YOU don't believe...

You haven't shown me anything yet.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:30 PM - 24 August, 2010
You dont have to prove that something thats not there DOSENT exist, you need to prove it does
sixxx 7:30 PM - 24 August, 2010
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But I do believe. I'm God. Remember. Wait. That wasn't directed at me. Was it?
DLBreaks 7:32 PM - 24 August, 2010
I dont have to show you anything. By now someone shouldve done the tests as you to show cause obviously jesus freaks want everyone to beleive in god, so they wouldve done something to prove to us that all the lies are real. And are you kidding what test were done?? Helloooooooooooo how many years have archeologists, geologists historians etc.. have been doing research and they havent found shit.
sixxx 7:36 PM - 24 August, 2010
Don't question my existence. I am here. I have reached you today through wires, electronic devices and such.

Now. Let's all pray.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:36 PM - 24 August, 2010
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1 An ancient and venerable sage spoke unto the Pastaists of all the divisions, unto the Noodleists, and unto the Maranarists, the Fettucinians, the Pastafarians, and all of the great Pasta-based members of the Holy and Delicious Faith, and said:

2 It is my contention that a loving God of any kind would not Damn someone to Hell.

3 Darning them to Heck would be a problem for a supposedly intelligent creator.

4 Lakes of fire, boiling waters, sauces, etc, aren’t a good choice.

5 If you want to attract “justified” persons, portray just rewards and punishments. 6 If you want to attract lunatics and sadists, portray violent punishments.

sixxx 7:37 PM - 24 August, 2010
In the name of Sixxx Jesus Christ. Yes. Jesus is my middle name.
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But I do believe. I'm God. Remember. Wait. That wasn't directed at me. Was it?


No.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:40 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I dont have to show you anything. By now someone shouldve done the tests as you to show cause obviously jesus freaks want everyone to beleive in god, so they wouldve done something to prove to us that all the lies are real. And are you kidding what test were done?? Helloooooooooooo how many years have archeologists, geologists historians etc.. have been doing research and they havent found shit.


Ok, give me 1 example of 1 test that was conducted.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:40 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Don't question my existence. I am here. I have reached you today through wires, electronic devices and such.

Now. Let's all pray Meditate.


Fixed.
sixxx 7:41 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Don't question my existence. I am here. I have reached you today through wires, electronic devices and such.

Now. Let's all pray Meditate.


Fixed No More Babies.


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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:42 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I dont have to show you anything.


But that's not the right attitude.

How am I supposed to become an Atheist, if you can't prove to me anything?
DLBreaks 7:43 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I dont have to show you anything. By now someone shouldve done the tests as you to show cause obviously jesus freaks want everyone to beleive in god, so they wouldve done something to prove to us that all the lies are real. And are you kidding what test were done?? Helloooooooooooo how many years have archeologists, geologists historians etc.. have been doing research and they havent found shit.


Ok, give me 1 example of 1 test that was conducted.


do you ever read or watch tv
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:43 PM - 24 August, 2010
lol noones trying to make you an aithest do what yuo want

now will lord sixxx or DLBreaks relay that message
DJ Sniffles 7:44 PM - 24 August, 2010
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LOL at trying to make the rest of the world agree. Like I said, it's no different than any Sales or Marketing campaign of ANY product or service.

Everybody has the right to offer a service.

The Army does it.

Walmart does it.

McDonalds does it.

And we as DJ's do it.

Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?


The Army doesn't do shit but follow orders. It's the gov that makes those decisions. Your representatives. Don't single out my homies


No, I'm talking about the RECRUITERS. They offer/sell/entice you into a Service, no?


So does Navy/Airforce/Marines
DJ Sniffles 7:44 PM - 24 August, 2010
I think military is a better term.....hows that?
DLBreaks 7:45 PM - 24 August, 2010
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lol noones trying to make you an aithest do what yuo want

now will lord sixxx or DLBreaks relay that message


well i mean it would be nice if everyone was atheist the world would be a better place
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:46 PM - 24 August, 2010
Also the diety i look to is a flying spagetti monster....Someone please prove to me god not a flying spagetti monster


As a matter of fact someone prove that invisible flying unicorns do not exist
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:47 PM - 24 August, 2010
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lol noones trying to make you an aithest do what yuo want

now will lord sixxx or DLBreaks relay that message


well i mean it would be nice if everyone was atheist the world would be a better place



I kinda disagree there are people out there who need to believe that an all knowing being has an eye on them to keep them in line, not everyone has self control
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:49 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I dont have to show you anything. By now someone shouldve done the tests as you to show cause obviously jesus freaks want everyone to beleive in god, so they wouldve done something to prove to us that all the lies are real. And are you kidding what test were done?? Helloooooooooooo how many years have archeologists, geologists historians etc.. have been doing research and they havent found shit.


Ok, give me 1 example of 1 test that was conducted.


do you ever read or watch tv


Yes, but I want YOU to cite a specific example.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:50 PM - 24 August, 2010
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LOL at trying to make the rest of the world agree. Like I said, it's no different than any Sales or Marketing campaign of ANY product or service.

Everybody has the right to offer a service.

The Army does it.

Walmart does it.

McDonalds does it.

And we as DJ's do it.

Why are you guys so hell bent on singling out Christianity for doing what everybody else in the world is doing?


The Army doesn't do shit but follow orders. It's the gov that makes those decisions. Your representatives. Don't single out my homies


No, I'm talking about the RECRUITERS. They offer/sell/entice you into a Service, no?


So does Navy/Airforce/Marines


Oh, that's what you meant by "Singling" out...

Duly noted...

But you get what I'm sayin...
The Real DJ Pauly D 7:51 PM - 24 August, 2010
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You have to show me Proof as to why YOU don't believe...


But I do believe. I'm God. Remember. Wait. That wasn't directed at me. Was it?



Dudes the truth, I prayed alot before I found sixxx, now look at me. Sixxx thanks!
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Ok, give me 1 example of 1 test that was conducted.



Souls definatley exist sixxx has mine, i mailed it yesterday but when he gets it mabye he can show it to you. THANKS SIXXX!
DLBreaks 7:52 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Ok, give me 1 example of 1 test that was conducted.


do you ever read or watch tv


Yes, but I want YOU to cite a specific example.


Why should i have to cite anything for you because a lot of research has been done you and i and otheres know it so why should i prove to you what you already know.. oh yea ur not as smart as i thought cause you think meditation is praying lmao
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:53 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I dont have to show you anything. By now someone shouldve done the tests as you to show cause obviously jesus freaks want everyone to beleive in god, so they wouldve done something to prove to us that all the lies are real. And are you kidding what test were done?? Helloooooooooooo how many years have archeologists, geologists historians etc.. have been doing research and they havent found shit.


Ok, give me 1 example of 1 test that was conducted.


do you ever read or watch tv


Yes, but I want YOU to cite a specific example.


Why should i have to cite anything for you because a lot of research has been done you and i and otheres know it so why should i prove to you what you already know.. oh yea ur not as smart as i thought cause you think meditation is praying lmao


Please ask him if he can prove that invisible magic unicorns exist or please prove god is not a flying spagetti monster
djaction 7:55 PM - 24 August, 2010
lol @ johnny thinking you need evidence to disprove something isn't made up


WHERE ARE THE CONCLUSIVE SCIENTIFIC TESTS DONE BY N.A.S.A., M.I.T., AND DARPA THAT PROVE THAT THE EASTER BUNNY DOES NOT EXIST!!! OH YOU CAN'T PROVIDE ANY TESTS? TOLD YOU THE EASTER BUNNY WAS REAL.

/THREAD
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:55 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Why should i have to cite anything for you because a lot of research has been done you and i and otheres know it so why should i prove to you what you already know.. oh yea ur not as smart as i thought cause you think meditation is praying lmao


Because the burden of PROOF has to be supplied by the ACCUSER. That would be you.

And you should pray on that...

You are spewing things that YOU don't have any reasonable amount of knowledge of.

You are going by "What OTHERS have said", which is the exact crime you charge against Christianity.

C'mon man, you should know me better than that....
djaction 7:56 PM - 24 August, 2010
it's not going on what others said.. Proof of the existence of god is no different from proof of the existence of the easter bunny, or santa clause.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:58 PM - 24 August, 2010
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lol @ johnny thinking you need evidence to disprove something isn't made up


WHERE ARE THE CONCLUSIVE SCIENTIFIC TESTS DONE BY N.A.S.A., M.I.T., AND DARPA THAT PROVE THAT THE EASTER BUNNY DOES NOT EXIST!!! OH YOU CAN'T PROVIDE ANY TESTS? TOLD YOU THE EASTER BUNNY WAS REAL.

/THREAD


The Easter Bunny, Santa Claus and The Tooth Fairy all exist to my daughter, so I'll let it be as such.
djaction 7:58 PM - 24 August, 2010
and like God they exist in peoples imaginations.. not in reality. /Thread
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:58 PM - 24 August, 2010
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it's not going on what others said.. Proof of the existence of god is no different from proof of the existence of the easter bunny, or santa clause.


I wasn't initially talking to you, but OK, are you an Atheist?
djaction 7:59 PM - 24 August, 2010
if you think imaginary characters like God, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus are real you should seek professional mental help ASAP.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:59 PM - 24 August, 2010
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and like God they exist in peoples imaginations.. not in reality. /Thread


But Sixxx, is right here, case closed.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:59 PM - 24 August, 2010
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if you think imaginary characters like God, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus are real you should seek professional mental help ASAP.


I said MY DAUGTHER dude...
djaction 7:59 PM - 24 August, 2010
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]I wasn't initially talking to you, but OK, are you an Atheist?


yup
djaction 8:00 PM - 24 August, 2010
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if you think imaginary characters like God, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus are real you should seek professional mental help ASAP.


I said MY DAUGTHER dude...


and what does she have to do with this thread ? why even bring her into it lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:00 PM - 24 August, 2010
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yup


Ok, so you have an opinion that there is no Afterlife?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:00 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I said MY DAUGTHER dude...


and what does she have to do with this thread ? why even bring her into it lol


You associated the Easter Bunny, and Santa with God, now that's just ridiculous....
djaction 8:01 PM - 24 August, 2010
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yup


Ok, so you have an opinion that there is no Afterlife?


it's not an opinion. it simply does not exist in reality. you have no proof of afterlife so it falls into the realm of the imaginary like the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.
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if you think imaginary characters like God, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus are real you should seek professional mental help ASAP.


I said MY DAUGTHER dude...


and what does she have to do with this thread ? why even bring her into it lol


You associated the Easter Bunny, and Santa with God, now that's just ridiculous....


how is that rediculous? all are imaginary characters made up by humans
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:02 PM - 24 August, 2010
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and like God they exist in peoples imaginations.. not in reality. /Thread


But Sixxx, is right here, case closed.

SIxxx didnt say that action did and I APPLAUD HIM FOR IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:02 PM - 24 August, 2010
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if you think imaginary characters like God, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus are real you should seek professional mental help ASAP.


I said MY DAUGTHER dude...


and what does she have to do with this thread ? why even bring her into it lol


You associated the Easter Bunny, and Santa with God, now that's just ridiculous....


how is that rediculous? all are imaginary characters made up by humans


LOL at least santa and the easter buney have an orgin story
djaction 8:03 PM - 24 August, 2010
the more fun religions have God origin stories
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:04 PM - 24 August, 2010
LMFAO at i believe in a bug guy that just exists because he exists who snapped his fingers and created all relaity and created humans JUST to see if they believe in him or not, who created a firey pit for the invisible soul you have if you dont act right who had a son with a human in a virgin birth....but a rabbbit who lays colored eggs thats just crazy talk
sixxx 8:04 PM - 24 August, 2010
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lol @ johnny thinking you need evidence to disprove something isn't made up


WHERE ARE THE CONCLUSIVE SCIENTIFIC TESTS DONE BY N.A.S.A., M.I.T., AND DARPA THAT PROVE THAT THE EASTER BUNNY DOES NOT EXIST!!! OH YOU CAN'T PROVIDE ANY TESTS? TOLD YOU THE EASTER BUNNY WAS REAL.

/THREAD


Clever.....


But, I'm still God. Try to prove that I'm not.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:05 PM - 24 August, 2010
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the more fun religions have God origin stories


very true
djaction 8:05 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Ive always got the impression he was that dude that everyone knows who hops in conversations and says something that has nothing to do with the conversation AS IF it was the answer everyone was looking for and sits there smugly smiling while everyone else trys to figure out what on earth hes talking about, and most just let him think he won because because arguing would just further convulute the situation

Billy: The transmission on my car went out

Suzy: damn how much to fix it
Billy: $500, i dont know where im going to get that money from and i need a ride to work

Johnny: Thats why I bought a ferret instead of a Dog they eat less so less trips to the store
Smiles smugly

Billy: Ummm i dont have a pet its just an old car

Johnny: No you dont underrstand ferrets only go through ONE bag a month so i only have to go to the store ONCE a month
Smiles smuggly

Billy: Ya but dude i dont go to the store at all to....

Suzy: Just drop it

Johnny: See YOU NEED A FERRET...Smiles and walks away.

Hours later you walk by another group of people starring blankly as johnny explains how gas costs are directionally proportional to people consumption of chicken wings at applebees


this should be stickied at the top of the forums.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:06 PM - 24 August, 2010
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the more fun religions have God origin stories



but according to johnny all those are fake storys, the lack of orgin story makes his more believeable right LOL
djaction 8:06 PM - 24 August, 2010
and you still annoy the dj
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:07 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Ive always got the impression he was that dude that everyone knows who hops in conversations and says something that has nothing to do with the conversation AS IF it was the answer everyone was looking for and sits there smugly smiling while everyone else trys to figure out what on earth hes talking about, and most just let him think he won because because arguing would just further convulute the situation

Billy: The transmission on my car went out

Suzy: damn how much to fix it
Billy: $500, i dont know where im going to get that money from and i need a ride to work

Johnny: Thats why I bought a ferret instead of a Dog they eat less so less trips to the store
Smiles smugly

Billy: Ummm i dont have a pet its just an old car

Johnny: No you dont underrstand ferrets only go through ONE bag a month so i only have to go to the store ONCE a month
Smiles smuggly

Billy: Ya but dude i dont go to the store at all to....

Suzy: Just drop it

Johnny: See YOU NEED A FERRET...Smiles and walks away.

Hours later you walk by another group of people starring blankly as johnny explains how gas costs are directionally proportional to people consumption of chicken wings at applebees


this should be stickied at the top of the forums.


please feel free to add it here

mbezzlewill.annoythedj.com
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:07 PM - 24 August, 2010
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and you still annoy the dj



LOL you beat me to it
djaction 8:10 PM - 24 August, 2010
I hope everyone saw what happened here.

We introduced logic and reason to this thread and the following happened:

-Johnny got quiet

-Bezzle continues to ramble
The Real DJ Pauly D 8:11 PM - 24 August, 2010
AND PAULY D ROCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
sixxx 8:14 PM - 24 August, 2010
and Sixxx was still getting paid royalties for prayers
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:25 PM - 24 August, 2010
soooo ya...uhh...i guess were dont here

how bout a closing prayer


Our Pasta, who “Arghh” in heaven, Swallowed be thy shame. Thy Midgit come. Thy Sauce be yum, On top some grated Parmesan. Give us this day our garlic bread. And give us our cutlasses, As we swashbuckle, splice the main-brace and cuss. And lead us into temptation, But deliver us some Pizza. For thine are Meatballs, and the beer, and the strippers, for ever and ever. RAmen.
CMOS 8:31 PM - 24 August, 2010
Damn, 3 and a half hours later, 110 posts.

Yall aint done NO work today.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:34 PM - 24 August, 2010
NO work?? son do you think dumb shit posts itself in here, serato dont got auto-dumb-comment weve been puttin in WORK LOL
sixxx 8:35 PM - 24 August, 2010
My work is done here. lol
CMOS 8:39 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Damn, 3 and a half hours later, 110 posts.

Yall aint done NO work today.



I thought you were the serato.com autodumb.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:45 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Damn, 3 and a half hours later, 110 posts.

Yall aint done NO work today.



I thought you were the serato.com autodumb.



im workin on it but currently im just a volenteer
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:46 PM - 24 August, 2010
let me throw some wood on the fire

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Saint Nicholas of Myra is the primary inspiration for the Christian figure of Santa Claus. He was a 4th-century Greek Christian bishop of Myra (now Demre) in Lycia, a province of the Byzantine Anatolia, now in Turkey. Nicholas was famous for his generous gifts to the poor, in particular presenting the three impoverished daughters of a pious Christian with dowries so that they would not have to become prostitutes.[9] He was very religious from an early age and devoted his life entirely to Christianity. In Europe (more precisely the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria and Germany) he is still portrayed as a bearded bishop in canonical robes. In 1087, the Italian city of Bari, wanting to enter the profitable pilgrimage industry of the times, mounted an expedition to locate the tomb of the Christian Saint and procure his remains. The reliquary of St. Nicholas was desecrated by Italian sailors and the spoils, including his relics, taken to Bari[10][11] where they are kept to this day. A basilica was constructed the same year to store the loot and the area became a pilgrimage site for the devout, thus justifying the economic cost of the expedition. Irish historians say that his remains were moved on again from Italy to Jerpoint Abbey in County Kilkenny, where his grave can still be seen.[12] Saint Nicholas was later claimed as a patron saint of many diverse groups, from archers, sailor, and children to pawnbrokers.[9][13] He is also the patron saint of both Amsterdam and Moscow.[14]



santa WAS based on a real person LOL
DLBreaks 8:55 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Why should i have to cite anything for you because a lot of research has been done you and i and otheres know it so why should i prove to you what you already know.. oh yea ur not as smart as i thought cause you think meditation is praying lmao


Because the burden of PROOF has to be supplied by the ACCUSER. That would be you.

And you should pray on that...

You are spewing things that YOU don't have any reasonable amount of knowledge of.

You are going by "What OTHERS have said", which is the exact crime you charge against Christianity.

C'mon man, you should know me better than that....


Your the one that doesnt have knowledge by saying meditation is praying and calling me religious. And your not going by what others have said? Im not just charging christianity im charging all religions.
DLBreaks 8:56 PM - 24 August, 2010
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yup


Ok, so you have an opinion that there is no Afterlife?


it's not an opinion. it simply does not exist in reality. you have no proof of afterlife so it falls into the realm of the imaginary like the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.


thank you djaction
DLBreaks 8:59 PM - 24 August, 2010
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pauly d sucked a big fat dick
DLBreaks 9:02 PM - 24 August, 2010
actually johnym is not really intelligent after all, because intelligent people dont beleive in imaginary made up fictional stories
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:05 PM - 24 August, 2010
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actually johnym is not really intelligent after all, because intelligent people dont beleive in imaginary made up fictional stories


at least he was finally smart enough to shut the hell up LOL
sixxx 9:16 PM - 24 August, 2010
lol
RogerRabbit 9:17 PM - 24 August, 2010
Wow - 128 new posts...

Scrolled down and saw that the majority of atheist talking - nothing worth reading...
DLBreaks 9:17 PM - 24 August, 2010
u know what, a religious person can never piss off or hurt an atheists feelings but atheists can piss off or hurt a religious persons feelings and it doesnt take a lot of effort at all
DLBreaks 9:18 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Wow - 128 new posts...

Scrolled down and saw that the majority of atheist talking - nothing worth reading...


Wheres Elmer Fudd when we need him
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:20 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I hope everyone saw what happened here.

We introduced logic and reason to this thread and the following happened:

-Johnny got quiet

-Bezzle continues to ramble


Nobody got quiet, I had to leave MY COMPUTER to fix somebody elses...

Don't fear, I'll be back after I talk to my Mortgage guy...

smh @ Johnny getting "quiet"....
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Yall aint done NO work today.


EXACTLY, but they just made me earn my keep, who said they should make me WORK just because I show up here?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:20 PM - 24 August, 2010
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yup


Ok, so you have an opinion that there is no Afterlife?


it's not an opinion. it simply does not exist in reality. you have no proof of afterlife so it falls into the realm of the imaginary like the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus.


Like I asked, so you you have an OPINION that there is no Afterlife?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:20 PM - 24 August, 2010
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nah they do plenty to piss me off
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:21 PM - 24 August, 2010
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if you think imaginary characters like God, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus are real you should seek professional mental help ASAP.


I said MY DAUGTHER dude...


and what does she have to do with this thread ? why even bring her into it lol


You associated the Easter Bunny, and Santa with God, now that's just ridiculous....


how is that rediculous? all are imaginary characters made up by humans


Likening God to the Easter Bunny is pretty dry....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:22 PM - 24 August, 2010
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this should be stickied at the top of the forums.


Obviously, you don't think clearly...
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:24 PM - 24 August, 2010
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if you think imaginary characters like God, The Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus are real you should seek professional mental help ASAP.


I said MY DAUGTHER dude...


and what does she have to do with this thread ? why even bring her into it lol


You associated the Easter Bunny, and Santa with God, now that's just ridiculous....


how is that rediculous? all are imaginary characters made up by humans


Likening God to the Easter Bunny is pretty dry....


please explain how there is more evidence of god than there is of the easter bunney...they both are in a book...next??
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:24 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I hope everyone saw what happened here.

We introduced logic and reason to this thread and the following happened:


DUDE, you CAN'T be serious?

WHAT LOGIC?

Point to a SINGLE line of LOGIC that you have introduced...

JUST ONE!

****damn, I leave for 30 mins and cats LOOSE their minds....wtf***

LMAO @ logic...
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:25 PM - 24 August, 2010
Johnny please prove there is NO easter bunney..after all its up to the douter to prove it dosent exist right
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:26 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Your the one that doesnt have knowledge by saying meditation is praying and calling me religious. And your not going by what others have said? Im not just charging christianity im charging all religions.


But I'm saying. SHOW ME SOMETHING!

You have made claims, but NOTHING to back them up...

You don't even know when you're praying..
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:27 PM - 24 August, 2010
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actually johnym is not really intelligent after all, because intelligent people dont beleive in imaginary made up fictional stories


But you spew other people's OPINIONS, and can't recite 1 SINGLE thing that YOU have researched...

Sheep, I tell ya.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:27 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Your the one that doesnt have knowledge by saying meditation is praying and calling me religious. And your not going by what others have said? Im not just charging christianity im charging all religions.


But I'm saying. SHOW ME SOMETHING!

You have made claims, but NOTHING to back them up...

You don't even know when you're praying..


LMFAO, your fucking up when your arguing that there IS a god and hes saying that there ISNT and you want HIM to show you something LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:27 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Wow - 128 new posts...

Scrolled down and saw that the majority of atheist talking - nothing worth reading...


lol! And they thought I RETREATED or sumphin...

lmao! As IF.
DLBreaks 9:27 PM - 24 August, 2010
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I said MY DAUGTHER dude...


and what does she have to do with this thread ? why even bring her into it lol


You associated the Easter Bunny, and Santa with God, now that's just ridiculous....


how is that rediculous? all are imaginary characters made up by humans


Likening God to the Easter Bunny is pretty dry....


actually likening god to the easter bunny and santa clause is pretty wet cause its all the same made up bullshit that your gullible ass beleives.. you claim you are an adult rigtht, well you can start off by not beleiving in some childish silly evil bible stories
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:28 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Wow - 128 new posts...

Scrolled down and saw that the majority of atheist talking - nothing worth reading...


lol! And they thought I RETARED or sumphin...

lmao! As IF.



FIXED!!!!!!!!!
DLBreaks 9:29 PM - 24 August, 2010
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actually johnym is not really intelligent after all, because intelligent people dont beleive in imaginary made up fictional stories


But you spew other people's OPINIONS, and can't recite 1 SINGLE thing that YOU have researched...

Sheep, I tell ya.


can you fuckin recite something go ahead ill wait
RogerRabbit 9:30 PM - 24 August, 2010
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u know what, a religious person can never piss off or hurt an atheists feelings but atheists can piss off or hurt a religious persons feelings and it doesnt take a lot of effort at all

Nope - I kinda feel sorry for you cats..
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:31 PM - 24 August, 2010
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u know what, a religious person can never piss off or hurt an atheists feelings but atheists can piss off or hurt a religious persons feelings and it doesnt take a lot of effort at all

Nope - I kinda feel sorry for you cats..



ya they live a life governed by reason and logic and form their own thoughts and live life the way it was meant to be lived..ENJOYING life without being made to feel bad about everything they do...must be horrible
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:32 PM - 24 August, 2010
You are the once CHALLENGING God's existance.

So we are the DEFENDANTS, and you are the PROSECUTORS...

The burden of PROOF is on you...

It would be different if you were the DEFENDANT, then all you'd have to show is reasonable doubt.
DLBreaks 9:32 PM - 24 August, 2010
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u know what, a religious person can never piss off or hurt an atheists feelings but atheists can piss off or hurt a religious persons feelings and it doesnt take a lot of effort at all

Nope - I kinda feel sorry for you cats..


i actually feel sorry for you because im not the one who beleives in some invisible man who lives in the sky that watches everything you do
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:32 PM - 24 August, 2010
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You are the once CHALLENGING God's existance.

So we are the DEFENDANTS, and you are the PROSECUTORS...

The burden of PROOF is on you...

It would be different if you were the DEFENDANT, then all you'd have to show is reasonable doubt.

You are the once CHALLENGING THE EASTER BUNNEYS existance.

So we are the DEFENDANTS, and you are the PROSECUTORS...

The burden of PROOF is on you...

It would be different if you were the DEFENDANT, then all you'd have to show is reasonable doubt
DLBreaks 9:33 PM - 24 August, 2010
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You are the once CHALLENGING God's existance.

So we are the DEFENDANTS, and you are the PROSECUTORS...

The burden of PROOF is on you...

It would be different if you were the DEFENDANT, then all you'd have to show is reasonable doubt.


im not challenging anything by saying god isnt real
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:34 PM - 24 August, 2010
Its not challenging when you deny the existance of something that there is no evidence of ever existing in the 1st place.....as ive said PLEASE PROVE TO ME INVISIBLE PINK UNICORNS DONT EXIST
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:35 PM - 24 August, 2010
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u know what, a religious person can never piss off or hurt an atheists feelings but atheists can piss off or hurt a religious persons feelings and it doesnt take a lot of effort at all


Actually, I was wondering why y'all were all Edgy and Emo from the door...

Us Christians seem to be handling this fine....

You?
Nicky Blunt 9:36 PM - 24 August, 2010
well madonna sings about pink elephants (dear jesse) & in japan they have pink dolphins, & evidently christans turned jesus white! lol

So Anything is possible!
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:36 PM - 24 August, 2010
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u know what, a religious person can never piss off or hurt an atheists feelings but atheists can piss off or hurt a religious persons feelings and it doesnt take a lot of effort at all


Actually, I was wondering why y'all were all Edgy and Emo from the door...

Us Christians seem to be handling this fine....

nope your lookin pretty but hurt at this point

You?
DLBreaks 9:36 PM - 24 August, 2010
besides you can't create gravity its physically impossible stupid jesus freaks
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:37 PM - 24 August, 2010
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u know what, a religious person can never piss off or hurt an atheists feelings but atheists can piss off or hurt a religious persons feelings and it doesnt take a lot of effort at all


Actually, I was wondering why y'all were all Edgy and Emo from the door...

Us Christians seem to be handling this fine....



You?


nope your lookin pretty but hurt at this point
Nicky Blunt 9:37 PM - 24 August, 2010
tell that to sir issac newton! lol he created gravity & Al gore created the internets!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:37 PM - 24 August, 2010
lmao, you can't even spell RETARDED.

pwned.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:38 PM - 24 August, 2010
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besides you can't create gravity its physically impossible stupid jesus freaks


Why call people STUPID?

I told you how UNintelligent it makes you look...right?

smh....

I think y'all are just trying to get the thread locked....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:39 PM - 24 August, 2010
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You are the once CHALLENGING God's existance.

So we are the DEFENDANTS, and you are the PROSECUTORS...

The burden of PROOF is on you...

It would be different if you were the DEFENDANT, then all you'd have to show is reasonable doubt.


im not challenging anything by saying god isnt real


You don't even know how to be a good Atheist.

WHAT do you know HOW TO DO?

lol.
DLBreaks 9:40 PM - 24 August, 2010
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besides you can't create gravity its physically impossible stupid jesus freaks


Why call people STUPID?

I told you how UNintelligent it makes you look...right?

smh....

I think y'all are just trying to get the thread locked....


well religion is stupid i mean you beleive in a made invisible man thats smart to you?
oh no the thread will get locked i will cry
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:40 PM - 24 August, 2010
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u know what, a religious person can never piss off or hurt an atheists feelings but atheists can piss off or hurt a religious persons feelings and it doesnt take a lot of effort at all

Nope - I kinda feel sorry for you cats..


AMEN.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:41 PM - 24 August, 2010
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u know what, a religious person can never piss off or hurt an atheists feelings but atheists can piss off or hurt a religious persons feelings and it doesnt take a lot of effort at all

Nope - I kinda feel sorry for you cats..


i actually feel sorry for you because im not the one who beleives in some invisible man who lives in the sky that watches everything you do


LOL! You don't even KNOW SPECIFICS of what you "Believe" in...

smh.

Not a single fact...nothing...

Man, I had high hopes for you...
DLBreaks 9:41 PM - 24 August, 2010
i think johnym and polanka are closet catholics and will fuck each in the ass cause they like little boys
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:41 PM - 24 August, 2010
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besides you can't create gravity its physically impossible stupid jesus freaks


Why call people STUPID?

I told you how UNintelligent it makes you look...right?

smh....

I think y'all are just trying to get the thread locked....


well religion is stupid i mean you beleive in a made invisible man thats smart to you?
oh no the thread will get locked i will cry


Who's crying? Just pointing out the obvious....
Nicky Blunt 9:42 PM - 24 August, 2010
Well, you do realise that there is another side to that coin? & Some of them prob feel the same way about you! Being governed by a religion that allows the highest ranking offical in its order to sweep peadophillia under the carpet, has to be questioned.

Did jackson call it jesus juice for nothing?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:42 PM - 24 August, 2010
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i think johnym and polanka are closet catholics and will fuck each in the ass cause they like little boys


Wow, you're really reaching there man...

smh...

But it's cool....
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:43 PM - 24 August, 2010
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You are the once CHALLENGING God's existance.

So we are the DEFENDANTS, and you are the PROSECUTORS...

The burden of PROOF is on you...

It would be different if you were the DEFENDANT, then all you'd have to show is reasonable doubt.


im not challenging anything by saying god isnt real


You don't even know how to be a good Atheist.

WHAT do you know HOW TO DO?

lol.


Now does everyone see why i posted this comment earlier
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Johnny, in all seriousness, for the life of me ive been trying to figure this out for the longest time now mabye you can answer this........are you just incapable of admitting you may be wrong sometimes or are you just utterly incapable of grasping concepts that are deeper than face value?? Ive just see it on ton of threads and i cant figure out if its a narcissim thing or if you lack critical thinking skills???

Im not sure if he ignored logic that disproves his point or if he just mentally cant process it
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:44 PM - 24 August, 2010
Ok, I have to LEAVE NOW, as I have a Mortgage guy to work some things out with.

Don't take my silence as fear....

lol...

AS IF.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:45 PM - 24 August, 2010
Oh snap! Someone just sent me that Bezzle Ignore file!

Oh, it's about to be ON like POPCORN!
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:45 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Ok, I have to LEAVE NOW, as I have a Mortgage guy to work some things out with.

Don't take my silence as fear....

lol...

AS IF.


mortgage guy huh...better start prayin
RogerRabbit 9:46 PM - 24 August, 2010
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i think johnym and polanka are closet catholics and will fuck each in the ass cause they like little boys

Sounds like someone is a bit frustrated..
Nicky Blunt 9:48 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Well, you do realise that there is another side to that coin? & Some of them prob feel the same way about you! Being governed by a religion that allows the highest ranking offical in its order to sweep peadophillia under the carpet, has to be questioned.

Did jackson call it jesus juice for nothing?


Silence!

Mention the pope in ill light & it gets no response at all!

Im wondering if this is because its been missed? Or is it due to U not having an answer for the pope advocating peado's?
Fumio Ohtsubo President, Panasonic Corporation 9:48 PM - 24 August, 2010
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DLBreaks 9:49 PM - 24 August, 2010
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i think johnym and polanka are closet catholics and will fuck each in the ass cause they like little boys

Sounds like someone is a bit frustrated..


sounds like someone doesnt have a sense of humor
DLBreaks 9:50 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Well, you do realise that there is another side to that coin? & Some of them prob feel the same way about you! Being governed by a religion that allows the highest ranking offical in its order to sweep peadophillia under the carpet, has to be questioned.

Did jackson call it jesus juice for nothing?


Silence!

Mention the pope in ill light & it gets no response at all!

Im wondering if this is because its been missed? Or is it due to U not having an answer for the pope advocating peado's?


speaking of the pope, why does he ride around in a bulletproof glass carriage hmmm? i thought god was on his side... oh and isnt it funny how when you see in the news that a church got caught on fire roflmao
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:51 PM - 24 August, 2010
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i think johnym and polanka are closet catholics and will fuck each in the ass cause they like little boys

Sounds like someone is a bit frustrated..


sounds like someone doesnt have a sense of humor



LMFAO
RogerRabbit 9:52 PM - 24 August, 2010
At least now we narrowed down who Fumio Ohtsubo President, Panasonic Corporation & The real Pauly D could be..
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:53 PM - 24 August, 2010
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At least now we narrowed down who Fumio Ohtsubo President, Panasonic Corporation & The real Pauly D could be..



god??
DLBreaks 9:53 PM - 24 August, 2010
people people even if we dont agree on a fairty tale we can still chill and smoke one
DJ Schematic 9:54 PM - 24 August, 2010
news.yahoo.com

Anybody see this story? This puzzles me. Why do people get up-in-arms when an atheist puts a sign up? I see Billy Graham signs all the time, so what? Nobody goes and sprays anti-religious shit on it.

The debate whether or not the word's "Under God" should be in our Pledge or on our money is a whole different subject.
Nicky Blunt 9:54 PM - 24 August, 2010
I thought it was kathy lee gifford who used the bulletproof dome?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:55 PM - 24 August, 2010
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news.yahoo.com

Anybody see this story? This puzzles me. Why do people get up-in-arms when an atheist puts a sign up? I see Billy Graham signs all the time, so what? Nobody goes and sprays anti-religious shit on it.

The debate whether or not the word's "Under God" should be in our Pledge or on our money is a whole different subject.



SEE THATS THE SHIT IM TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!! Heaven forbit someone not fucking think like them
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:56 PM - 24 August, 2010
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“It was done by one or two people off on their own who decided their only recourse was vandalism rather than having a conversation,” Charlotte Atheists & Agnostics spokesman William Warren said. “It does show how needed our message is. As atheists, we want to let people know we exist and that there’s a community here.” Warren told the Observer when the sign first went up that its location wasn't intended as a rebuke to the Rev. Graham.



We have a spokesperson...i was unaware we were that organised...do we have a meeting place or a handshake or something
Nicky Blunt 9:56 PM - 24 August, 2010
still no answer from the god squad?

I see. It was also brushed under the carpet?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:58 PM - 24 August, 2010
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Atheist ads are often a target for vandals. Three of 10 atheist billboards erected in Sacramento, Calif., were defaced in February, and a series of atheist bus ads was recently vandalized in Detroit.


See thats some bullshit, they can have the god hates fags and your going to hell for drinking signs and noone says shit to them but put up a message of your own and they have to go be vandals......isnt vandalism a sin or something
DLBreaks 10:01 PM - 24 August, 2010
i have not one ounce of respect for religion besides i said i denied the holy spirit a long time ago and it felt so good
Polanka 10:05 PM - 24 August, 2010
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i think johnym and polanka are closet catholics and will fuck each in the ass cause they like little boys


Come on really DLBreaks! How old are you?

Insults like these make you look so mature.

By the way I am not Catholic.
Polanka 10:06 PM - 24 August, 2010
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still no answer from the god squad?

I see. It was also brushed under the carpet?


What was your question Nicky? Sorry I missed it?
The Real DJ Pauly D 10:06 PM - 24 August, 2010
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At least now we narrowed down who Fumio Ohtsubo President, Panasonic Corporation & The real Pauly D could be..


You know who I am.......Im Americas Best DJ
DLBreaks 10:07 PM - 24 August, 2010
My name is Polanka and i have no sense of humor
sixxx 10:08 PM - 24 August, 2010
Don't leave me out. I'm a Christian too. People call me Chris though.
Nicky Blunt 10:08 PM - 24 August, 2010
My question was how is the pope still the pope after the findings that he practically allowed peadophiles to go on molesting children with no ramifications as it would cause undesirable press for the church?

Surely the pope should be holier than thou & let the church take one on the chin, No?
Nicky Blunt 10:10 PM - 24 August, 2010
I mean even george washington told the truth, I kinda expected more from the man who is now the pope!

Maybe im expecting too much tho? Also how is it that the christians can say oooh its barbaric the way these muslim (fanatics behead people etc)

Yet throwing people into lions pits was deemed acceptable?

There seem to be double standards along the whole belief structure.

Jus sayin
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:11 PM - 24 August, 2010
See heres the deal with the whole catholic church pedophila thing.....as much as people want to be religious not many are ready to give up their worldly belongings and swear off the poon-tang and make the jump to ACUTUALLY be a priest, so the church has to protect the ones it has because there ISNT a long line of suitable replacements for them. Thats why you see so many oooolllllldddddd ass preachers
Nicky Blunt 10:14 PM - 24 August, 2010
I thought it was coz god made them live longer!
Nicky Blunt 10:17 PM - 24 August, 2010
hahah just saw this on facebook

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I can't tell if you're jumping in front of the basket or walking on water to the right of it. My faith tells me it's the latter.
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Ask Pauly Casillas Your faith also got you molested.

www.facebook.com!/photo.php?pid=333051&fbid=147546271932530&id=113997915287366

dude has some funny shit on there
Polanka 10:19 PM - 24 August, 2010
The Pope is human and carries all the flaws we all carry as human beings. I have children of my own and feel horrible to hear that these things happen in the church. That is why we as Christians must lead by example. The Pope will have to give account to our God and only God can judge him.