3. Korg Zero 4

4. Ecler Evo 4

5. Pioneer 700
6. Pioneer 5000

I am assuming we are talking about midi mappable dj mixers??

Thanks Bigboy, I ran into a problem with my Behringer DDM4000 mixer, realizing after I purchased it that the crossfader does not do both midi and audio functions at the same time. Essentially if I were to use that mixer I would have to have a separate midi controller and fade the video with one arm and fade the audio with the other!

I just hope nobody else buys a mixer without knowing all the details!

^^^ I was just going to mention the DDM4000

Remember "SimoneRaider" ahahahahahaha!!!!

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No, It is not able to crossfade video and audio simultaneously

7. Ecler Evo 5
8. Allen & Heath Xone 92 (crossfader only)
9. Allen & Heath Xone 4D
10. Denon DN-X1700
11. Ecler Nu0 4 (No 4.0)
12. Ecler Nuo 5 (I think)
13. Mackie D4 Pro (Crossfader Only)

14. Korg Zero 8

Wow DisGrace, that's hilarious!!! Thank you Rebelguy!!

Oh and scratch the Nuo 5. I was wrong on that one.

that was where you went wrong lol

Or more accurately:

which of these is the least expensive?

besides behringer

I'd say the korg zero4. They are discontinued from what I understand and the price dropped a bunch for the places that still might have them in stock

How is the quality (build & audio) on the Korg Zero 4? I've been looking for a mixer w/midi for mobile & home use, and I use the DJM-800 at the club, it looks like it's got a lot of good features.

on the djm 700 and 800 u can assign the crossfader to the video?

You can. And you can also use the crossfader assign settings on the DJM-800 to exclude the audio if you want to...so that the crossfader just controls the video. You then just use the sliders to control audio mixing. Obviously this is not for those that scratch a bunch.

thats quite awsome really. but the 800 and 700 dont have any extra buttons that u cn assign as midi on serato rite?

Not true. There are 68 buttons, sliders, knobs on the 800 and I believe 47 of them on the 700. As to totally extra once, well everything on every mixer is there for a reason (lol) but you could use the 1-4 fader starts on the 800 as in and out points for 2 separate channels, that's one of the things that I do.

Lots of options once you start looking at it.

hmm i mite consider the 800 then as my next mixer :)

Take a look at the Ecler Evo 4 better. It beats the Pioneer at pretty much everything and it is a few hundred dollars cheaper.

And there goes the thread for the next 20 posts :)

hahah....I am guessing Rebel likes his new mixer...I have looked at the Ecler Evo 4, thinking cool, I could save some money....but on the other hand, buying the mixer I primarily play on seems like a better decision....

hmm, but whenever i try to use other mixer i always get frustrated with the effects. on pioneer mixers (i got the djm600) its soo easy to use them, specially the echo.

i tried to use the effects on a numark mixer and on a xone with reeaallly bad results lol

Why is that. The Evo 4 is a better mixer at this point. The DJM-800 is 3 year old technology. I believe it might be possible to make advancements in technology. It's not like there a bad brand. They are the Rane of Spain in Europe.

Nah I don't have one...yet. I was considering the DJM-800 for the same reason you mentioned...it's everywhere and I could probably rent it out a lot easier. The only problem is that I have never really liked Pioneer mixers in general. So I am looking at the whole thing from a business perspective. Get the safe bet that has a strong resale value but is an inferior product or go for a lesser known brand that may be harder to sell down the road but is an incredible product.

Tough call.

i feel you on that.....im still not sure which one to purchase...

here's a comparison...
Watchwww.youtube.com

I have talked with Ty many times about the two. His response was that if the Ecler had a rotary option he would jump ship immediately.

There is also the Denon DN-x1700. Another beast of a mixer that is better then the 800.

Ecler EVO 5 makes midi mapping easy

I never thought of rentals rebel, but yeah, that could be another ave of making $$$...I took a peek at a pioneer 700 yesterday, seems cool, they had one on sale for $640 at GC

I'd probably do the ecler evo4 if I didn't have the 57

Just to forewarn people, if you are considering the DJM-700 mixer, please beware that some don't work. I have a DJM-700 mixer in one of the venues I play at, tried to get the mixer to mapped to serato by using my m-audio usb interface and it simply did not work. I asked around the forum and found that there were a few other users here that were unable to map the DJM-700 successfully. There seems to be a batch of bad mixers that went out that don't function properly when trying to map the mixer. Trust me, I tried everything!

I would recommend stepping up to the DJM-800 because it's more reliable.

Can the Allen & Heath xone 92 crossfade video and audio at the same time?

Hello everyone, I’m looking for a good “inexpensive” mixer that would crossfade video and audio at the same time for my SL VIDEO, I’ve seen the list posted earlier; has anything changed? I don’t think the Ecler Nu0 4 (No 4.0) is MIDI capable, I don’t see where or how you could plug it into a computer. Your help is much appreciated.
Thanks,
Frankie

I don't think anything has changed. I purchased a pioneer 700. I think generally you are looking at spending $800+ on any mixer with midi mapping that works consistently

the new vestax PMC-05 ProIV - its midi capable

i think the cross fader works with audio/vid as well

does anyone have the new vestax pmc-05 proiv? if so, how is it

Confused... do you have the Ecler Nuo 4 or Ecler Nuo 4.0 ?

I have two Ecler Nuo 4 mixers and both are midi compatible via USB connection and I believe there is a MIDI port on it too.

Hello DJ Phat-Al….no I don’t have a Ecler Nuo 4…I looked at it on-line and didn’t see any physical connection to a computer or a MIDI port, so I was just asking……
My budget is around $1,200 USD.

its not out yet, next week is its release sate i think, a few people used it at NAMM though but i dont think for video......also the price went up from what was originally reported, its no longer a "cheap option". Im stuck between trying it out or just getting a 57

for that just get a 57

I have the SL3 already and want a “4 channel mixer” if something ever happens to it and I have to send it to repair I’m out a mixer and the software. Is the TTM-57SL the “BEST” mixer to use with the SL video?

Just get an Ecler Evo 4. Good mixer and you can get them used pretty inexpensively and have money left over.

Probably not the best since the RaneSixtyeight is out.

I would like the Korg Zero 4 or Ecler Evo 4. but dont know if the would crossfade video and audio at the same time...any1 has any feedback from any of this mixers using Sl video.

They both do.

Rebelguy, ty...are they good mixers ? I heard the Zero 4 has been discontinue if so, what mixer replaced it?

Whatever you get, don't get too caught up with price points. If you focus on buying cheap, you'll get burned.

You often get what you pay for. Cheap gear runs a high likelihood of crapping out during peak hours at clubs full of hot women. Trust me. Been there more times than I'd like to admit.

The Zero 4 is discontinued and I wouldn't recommend it anyway. The Ecler is a solid mixer and sounds great. It's not cheap new but they are affordable when picked up used.

i'd go with the evo.. midi works for everything and 2 efx processors

Hello again, I’m still looking for a MIXER that It’s able to crossfade video and audio simultaneously. Here’s the list that was posted back in 2009:
1.Rane TTM-57
2. Pioneer DJM-800
3. Korg Zero 4
4. Ecler Evo 4
5. Pioneer 700
6. Pioneer 5000
7. Ecler Evo 5
8. Allen & Heath Xone 92 (crossfader only)
9. Allen & Heath Xone 4D
10. Denon DN-X1700
11. Ecler Nu0 4 (No 4.0)
12. Ecler Nuo 5 (I think)
13. Mackie D4 Pro (Crossfader Only)

My budget is $1,400. USD…Im located in the Rochester, NY area. If anyone knows a place/someone where I could go and test some of this mixers please let me know.

I’ve done some research; so here’re my thoughts.
(DNX 1600) is the one Mixer that is looking good for me right now.

1.Rane TTM-57 (would like a 4 ch over a 2 ch)
2. Pioneer DJM-800 (need confirmation)
4. Ecler Evo 4 (difficult to find a dealer/support)
7. Ecler Evo 5 (difficult to find a dealer/support)
9. Allen & Heath Xone 4D (need confirmation)
10. Denon DN-X1700 (need confirmation/too much $$$)
11. Ecler Nu0 4 (No 4.0) (need confirmation)
12. Ecler Nuo 5 (need confirmation)

well here with me i have the rane 68, rane 57, denon 1600. and if i was going to buy a mixer now I would buy the ecler. I don't like the 68 at all. The denon is cool. and I love the 57. So if i was getting a 2 channel i'd get the 57 again... 4 channel i'd say evo4. check out agiprodj for the them. the ecler has 2 efx processors also.

Wrong! It's not the 700 it's the midi interface u used, I used a m-audio usb interface it failed to assign anything. Tried the Cakewalk UM-1G and it assigned everything on my 700! I am currently using it for VSL, I have assigned the crossfader and channels 2 & 3. I'm happy with my mixer.

How about this www.pssl.com

The Pioneer does indeed crossfade audio and midi at the same time. The Ecler can be purchased through any online dealer and their authorized repair company is actually based in Brooklyn. There are supposedly issues with the Xone 4D crossfader but this can be confirmed with someone else. Pass on the 1700. Not worth it...the 1600 is a better option. Ecler Nuo 4 does audio and midi at the same time. Not sure about Nuo 5.

Vestax PMC-05-PRO4

I would like to get the ECLER EVO4. I heard nothing but great things about it. So I will look for one next week. The Vestax PMC-05-PRO4 it’s a 2ch and boy…it is ugly !!!!

Driving down to pick up the 68 tomorrow. Hopefully it will work with SL.... jk.

Ok, I guys Im buying the ECLER EVO4...if anyone knows where I could pick one up (not mail) please let me know. Im located in the Rochester, NY area

its only $1100 from audiolines... everyone else is $1449

$1499*

DJLRock thanks for the help; I just got off the phone with audiolines. They don’t have the ECLER EVO4 in stock and won’t have anything from ECLER anytime soon. The company has stopped importing to the US. He recommends the DJM800 ($1,399.)

grab it from pssl.com then. i wish i needed a mixer... i'd get it

or call up agirpodj... they usually give the hook up

Check out my man Scott at Unique Squared in Atlanta. www.uniquesquared.com

If you get the 800 you'll be happy. It's a beast with VSL. Just get a usb midi interface and ur set

It's a beast in general. Channel Effects + Regular effects FTW.

Plus every knob and fader on it, even the fader start, channel effects and cue buttons are midi assignable... I've never tried the master or booth monitor knobs on Midi but they probably are too.

I purchased the 57 today at a guitar center in Buffalo, NY…I played with it for about an hour and so far I really like how it handles the videos. The 800 is OUTSTANDING but, with the 800 I needed some type of interface in order to MIDI SL3, it was bigger than I thought, more money and it looked like it was going to be a pain in the a@# to learn it. I got the 57 for $1,300. So all I have to do now is sale my SL3 and hopefully I’ll get $550 or so for it (I don’t remember where I put the original box). I know “later on” in life I’ll get a Pioneer. Thank you all for posting all that great information.

1300 plus tax?

yes...

I bout up a Sixty Eight but it didn't work. Its in Washington right now under the eye of careful well trained technicians (or some random DJ poking around inside my 3k mixer)

Wow that really sucks, I usually like to wait about a year or so before buying something that's brand new in the market....hope they fix it…

+1 , but I needed it. lol

I hear you; I just purchased the 57. I like what it does with video but as a “Mixer” currently not crazy about it; so I’m hoping to learn more features soon.

After a year in it's packaging, I busted out my MidiSport Uno and hooked i up to the DJM-800 at the club last night. Very easy to map, worked great!

If you haven't already bought one of the afore mentioned mixers, you might want to check out the Denon DN MC6000, which is coming out in November. Every button, slider and fader can be midi assigned...and it can be used as a software controller, or as a mixer 4-channel mixer. And with a MAP of 799.00, it'll be about 700 less than the DN X 1700, DJM-800 OR NUO 4.

The jog wheels are totally useless with Serato products though.

But since it's a fully-functional, powered mixer, you could add two 1200's, DN S3700's or 1000's. It's more for the mixer properties and ability to control both audio and video together. I plan to use mine with a pair of 1200's. But you're right. The jog wheels on other Denon controllers work...just not very well.

Could you assign jog wheels like that for the effects super knob?

Anyone out there using the MC6000 for serato with the video plug in? I'm not sure how I will feel about losing the jog wheel. (I've been using CDJ's since they first came out in the 90's with the 500G). I'm looking for a controller to cross fade videos and select video effects. And, ideally, this controller should be packaged with a fully functioning mixer, with audio inputs, mic inputs, and master/booth outputs. Is the tracktor S4 a better unit for this? Will the jog dials work on that with serato?

dont understand why people wont just use the 57 or 68 for vsl, serato made the 68 for yall that wanted a 4 channel mixer to do video and easy hookup for 2 dj's but now everybody wants something else smh. Im looking to get another mixer soon and its go be either the 68 or 57 again nothing else.and im talking about for video and backup

Haven't used the 68 yet, but I actually bought a 57 and turned around and sold it. Just picked up an 800 and love it. I like running split mono into my headphones and having multiple channels available. I can still assign what I need and what I use in SSL, VSL, and ME.

I never really liked the 57. I only kept it because you needed it for VSL. Soon as that changed I bounced. There are better mixers out there then the 57 & 68 IMO.

I don't care for the 57 either. I don't like the monitoring system (prefer split cue/stereo mix) and there are so many other less expensive options out there now...I bought the pioneer 700 and have loved it ever since (i got the right MIDI cable).

The vestax PMC-05ProIV works like a charm as well for those looking for an alternative

I've used it at a few gigs no issues... still meaning to test it on a usb hub though to see if it will have any issues

Cool mixer but I just returned mine. Didn't realize that one of the RCA jacks was manufactured wrong and I wasn't getting even levels out. The left side ran hotter.

I'll have to check mine hopefully im not past my return period policy... I havent noticed that though

i got the ttm 57sl and u can control everything off the mixer..

+1 (3 years ago)

there is no mixer sicker than a 68 IMO with the new firmware it is rediculous

yea i much prefer Pioneer mixers too! Their effects r Sick

the 57's effects completely CRUSHES the 57.
they do waaaaaaaaaay more and sound less digital.


the only way i can ever understand how someone can like a pioneer effect over the 57 is if they want something so dumbed down a monkey could us it.

saying the pioneer effects are sick just shows how much you have NOT figured out the capabilities of the 57.

can the pioneer do this? don't think so and that is JUST with the effects.
Watchwww.youtube.com

^^^ damn, I gots to get me one of them now

Fixed!

Anyone got any good setting for the flanger?

@Rebelguy, check this thread: www.serato.com

I have...the flanger is still just okay when using those. I have tried others but the Pioneer equivalent still sounds better on this one.

Hello Everyone and Happy Holidays, I finally started mixing Videos i Purchased Sl3 and Video SL , will thei Allen Heath Xone 42 work as well? Thanks

it works but its not midi

Thanks Rock so dont do it assume! really green here

Im on short string here with Budget, can i get by with it and will it crossfade and get me by! Thanks

you bought it already?

not yet

www.pssl.com
www.pssl.com
same price range

can get it for 500

alright Pioneer it is say no more thanks so much

i actually was looking at that vestex for a minute, Thanks Rock

no problem

im actually lookin between the 800 and evo4... i just realized the evo4 doesnt have dedicated mic.. its shared with channel 4. and the 800 has 2 mic inputs.

I never tried the EVO4 but after 2 years of consistent multi-DJ club use (hip hop / lots of heavy handed fader use) the upfaders and the crossfader needed replacement, about $275 in parts. But the 800 works great with VSL... only complaint - i wish it had some extra midi assignable dedicated buttons.

which sound do you prefer better? im not too much of a fan of the sound coming from the 800. I will be putting an innofader in either one though.

Make sure you get the Innofader Pro if you get the Evo4. The regular one doesn't work.

Yeah I read that. Thanks

Lol, i never used the 57 so i wudnt no. isnt the 57 uses the Serato FX tho? Cos right now i have a midi controler and i use the Serato Echo fade out and it kinda sucks compared to the DJM 600 Echo

No the 57 has on board efx. I wish I had the link that shows you how it kills the pioneer mixers

Hey charlee1985. Here's the links I was talking about

That would not make me pick the 57 over a DJM-800.

Didn't think it would, but I wouldn't send a dime on the 800 but thats just me. Doesn't make one betta then the other just what people like

Serato already has built in fx lol..and it's echo out works wonders yes it's better than the 700 cause it completely kills the track after the echo is enabled. I am not sure of the 800. But try serato's built in fx they are prob no different than the 57.

I tried both serato build in echo out and Djm 600 echo and i think djm6 echo is much better and u either fade it out or kill the channel after the echo to cut the sound

definitely not better than the rane 68 echo out...

the echo on the djm 400 is better then the 800 and the echo on the 57 is automatic...unlike the 800 which u have to tap to get it right...as a matter of fact the 57 sync everything and the 800 doesn't...So if u wanted things simplified the 57 would edge out the 800 in that aspect..I wished the 400 was midi mappable

Pioneer svm 1000 video mixer. Its the nuts, but way over priced £5,500!!!

People don't realize that the ddm 400 would run the vVSL as well

doesnt that fader only do audio or video via midi and not both at once

Watchwww.youtube.com

Take a look at that

you have to go in there and solder stuff for that to work?

lol i think i'd just buy a great mixer like the 800 or ecler evo 4 before i buy a behringer and solder

yes u do, but it work and as long as that's the end result..then it aint that big a deal...My boy did it with him and let's just say he's way below the learning curve
Watchwww.youtube.com

Does the Vestax Pro IV mixer with MIDI have MIDI faders or just a MIDI section?

midi faders

I'm new to the midi world so please bear with me.
I'm using a Rane mm8-Z Mojo mixer.
I love and don't want to get rid of it.
Is there any way to add midi so I can mix videos with SL-3?

www.samash.com
Yeah add this to ur set-up...Midi one of the knobs with the VSL fader and u'll just have to turn the knob and move the fader on ut mixer at the same time....plus u can midi a lot of other features of VSL and serato

Thanx for the information @ DJ Boozie.

Thats what it's all about

Can anyone confirm that the xone 92 does sound and midi with the crossfader at the same time?

I dont like the 800.
not saying thats right or wrong...in my expereince Ive noticed that these 2 are non-19" heavy weights that will always come down to preference.
I started my journey with rane on a 52, and have had every battle mixer +1 empath since.

heres what I can tell you.
Ive had more people comment on how good (sound quality) is when i replace the 800
in rooms..I often have to kick and scream to do this. but its not like its only happend
once...almost everytime Ive done a spot with an in-house 800(replaced by my 57) at least 1 person has mentioned it...even their resident djs....


all that aside, ive run into place where I CANNOT pull their 800.
its not a difficult switch, but where I ran into problems was with the midi-device
(sure, theres a chance these 2 800s had midi issues)
but quite a few people recomended the m-audio uno to run the 800 with ME/SSL

I could NOT get this to work, even with users who run it on the phone with me.
per the pioneer board, they no longer endorse this midi/usb device.
so, whats everyone using?

I love the pioneer 400..I think that mixer kicks the shit out of the 800..IMO...However I know it not a midi mixer...So I switched to the ttm57 Sl Mixer. And I have to tell u people complain about the effect but the only thing I can say about it is that if u take the time to tweek the parmerters on the 57 you will be suprised on how they work..Just as good or ever better then the 800 because it set automatically...unlike the 800 where u have to tap the button. Waste of time

I agree on sound quality. My thursday spot has CDJs and DJM800 in a coffin in the booth. I use the M-audio midisport, few problems so far - guess I've been lucky.

I finally got sick of pushing buttons and brought in the 1200s and my 57. First thing I noticed is the booth and headphones are way easier on my ears.... that and the PA sounds way smoother. The 800 is just harsh sounding. I guess ppl that like the 800 have no hearing above 15KHz.

The guy that did the install at my current residency works for one of the bigger sound installation companies on the West Coast. He only recommends the 800 for most installs. He flat out told me did not like the 57 because of the sound quality.

I am not saying I agree with him but I would trust his ears over anyone on these boards.

the sweet irony of that is the 2 company's here that do installs all over New England will only put Ranes & Ureis in rooms... and they said the exact opposite.
one of my friends wanted a pioneer in his rooms so bad, he had to have the co
sign off on it to the mgmt. they were dead set against it.
I agree, a little extreme.

I personally think its splitting hairs with todays crowd.
I want it to sound as good as possible, but you know damn well no one outside of
the biz is going to say/notice anything anyways...and even then; were talking
the two heavy weights, not a gemini & a numark.

Having used both at various spots, here are my observations. The sound quality is better with the 800, but it requires a bunch of tweaking, both on the mixer and the amp side. If running thru a PA mixer, or if the amps have limiters, etc, those require tweaking, too. If you know what you're doing, or if you have a great sound guy, the 800 rules. Chances are, those of you having issues with the 800 sound probably worked at a spot whose sound set up wasn't configured properly.

The 57 is easier to use with Serato (duh), and puts out a hotter signal. Once you get used to the 57's layout, triggering MIDI functions is so much easier than the 800's weird toggle requirement. It's also smaller, so lugging it in doesn't put you in traction the day after. Also, for whatever reason, running the 57 doesn't require as much tweaking on the house system side. Maybe the loud output masks deficiencies? Just guessing...

Full disclosure: I own an 800. I installed the Serato box inside the mixer case, underneath the mixer to reduce set up time. But it's pretty heavy. Kind of a best of both worlds solution, I guess.

The output on the 800 is WAY hotter then the 57. If you leave it on the 0DB for master Att you are getting some serious output.

I am not a big fan of Pioneer mixers. Hate the lack of a full kill eq, lack of midi via USB and pricing for what they are. My statement above is from what the sound company told me.

Ingo's statements regarding tweaking the house system are true. Ruby Skye became the first night club in the Western Hemisphere with Lake Contour 26’s for its speaker control system. The system is insane. They have a 57 and 800 installed in the main room booth.

For all your sound geeks the full article is here.

jksound.com

yup, the 800 is WAYYY hotter

nice link! Those Lake processors are intense. But I still think a line array looks way better, especially in a high end club. The avalons are a great speaker and the EAW KF series is well-known in touring sound reinforcement. I'm sure it sounds great, could just look better IMO

so... back to the 800/vsl.

the M-audio uno was a fail for me.
whats everyone else using?

@ Joshua - These are all the players in the group. I'm stll deciding on what my upgrade will be. Obvious choice is the 68 because it was designed by Rane/Serato so all features are compatible. 2nd choice (for me) would be the Behringer DDM4000
with the modification to control the audio & video with just the crossfader. When I decide @DJ Boozie - I will call you to get you or your man to do the mod unless it's simple & you can talk me thru it on the phone. Until then, happy hunting Joshua.

1. Rane TTM-57
2. Pioneer DJM-800
3. Korg Zero 4
4. Ecler Evo 4
5. Pioneer 700
6. Pioneer 5000
7. Ecler Evo 5
8. Allen & Heath Xone 92 (crossfader only)
9. Allen & Heath Xone 4D
10. Denon DN-X1700
11. Ecler Nu0 4 (No 4.0)
12. Ecler Nuo 5 (I think)
13. Mackie D4 Pro (Crossfader Only)
14. Behringer DDM-4000
15. Rane 68 Serato Mixer

I vote number 4

actually it is pretty simple...I can explain it to you if you'd like but we can link up later on

I already know which mixer.Im a die hard 57 user.

but for those spots where I cannot swap out the 800 for my 57
I need to engage the midi on the 800.
many suggested the M-Audio uno, but it would not work for me.

which MIDI-1X1 is everyone using?

These just crossed my mind. I have a nanokontrol thats mapped to my laptop. (sorry if you have to use the 800) but it wouldnt matter because all the mapping iz stored with the computer. So even if you had to use the 800 (once again sorry for you) ifits mapped right all you'd nd on the mixer is the fader.once staying IJS

Joshua - I got the CAKE WALK - I have a 700 mixer and there are known issues with the UNO so i got the CAKE WALK and had no problems

www.amazon.com

Of course it says not in stock, but you can find them

I'm using a Manhattan USB-MIDI adapter, been using it for about a year now, it works perfect. No drivers for Mac or PC.

*no drivers needed for pc or mac.

hey guys, im really new into this whole video sl stuff. im using a pioneer djm 707 for a year now and I love this mixer. the crossfader is sooo sick! anyway...

I dont want to get rid of my mixer, but I still want to use videosl...
so, is there any chance that I can use it with video sl? I mean like, I can buy a midi controller, but is there any chance that I scratch the videos like you do with your pioneer djm 800 oder the ttm 57sl?

thanks.

the fader is not midi.. so no.. you would need an external control to crossfade the video

Naw my brutha...sorry but at the top of the thread is a list of mixer that are midi mixer...the only one that isnt on the list is the ddm 4000 and this mixer can only do it with a modifaction to the mixer

ok, thanks for ur help guys !

I think I will buy me a midi controller with a fader to use video sl @ home. in the clubs they always have either a pioneer djm 700 or 800 but I want to spin those videos @ home aswell.

so which midi controller (not too much, i just need a fader to control video sl) would you recommend for me?

regards

korg nanokontrol

+1

www.bhphotovideo.com
Here it is Dj Johnny

thankz bros <3 (no homo)

agreed but with the built in fx you don't have to drop the fader at all to kill the echo, you just hit on in serato when using echo out and presto ;) no fader movement whatsoever just click on and it echoes out the track completely when your ready to echo out of a mix that my friend is a plus.

Just to add and ask to this subject.

Is there any good 19" rackmount midi mixers out there for VSL?

The Rane mp 25, and the NEW mp 26 !!!!!

Yeah, and they are at a nice price.
Id rather have the Denon DNX 1600 and buy the 19" rack kit, but it takes up more space.

Don't get me wrong the rane stuff looks great, but the cost will oftern send people looking for cheaper items, now if that included an SL interface, now that would be a different story.

akai mpd32 is midi assignable to video-sl.

Here's my question...I'm on a Denon X1500... will that work using a midi controller?, it does have usb out, have not looked up the specs... what's the most ideal situation?? should i sell the denon and get on the TTM57?? If money was not an issue, what is the best possible set up for mixing videos??

the denon will not control anything. You will still need a serato box and a separate midi controller.

Will Reloop IQ.2 MIDI work with videoSL ?

hey DJLRock ... will the Denon X1500 work? does anyone know ... I have SL1 serato and would obviously get a midi controller and map it out... anyone? I hate to get rid of this mixer ... you always get lowballed when selling used stuff ... I'm looking at all the mixers suggested but it seems that the best to get are the ttm57 or pioneer 800 (which the Denon x1500 pretty much does the same thing) ...

Seems to me like I either have to get the pioneer 800 or the ttm57 ... which one would you buy? and which is the best midi controller if i get the pioneer?? .. I like some of the pioneer features such as the 4 channels

hey DJLRock ... will the Denon X1500 work? does anyone know ... I have SL1 serato and would obviously get a midi controller and map it out... anyone? I hate to get rid of this mixer ... you always get lowballed when selling used stuff ... I'm looking at all the mixers suggested but it seems that the best to get are the ttm57 or pioneer 800 (which the Denon x1500 pretty much does the same thing) ...

The Ecler evo 4 i believe does midi and video well too.

*Ecler Nuo 4

The Ecler evo 4 i believe does midi and video well too.

the problem with the ecler and other mixers is resale value... it's gonna be hard to resell that mixer when the clubs all use the pioneer 800 ... i'm selling all this denon stuff for less than half what i paid for it... great decks but if they are not what the clubs use they won't sell for much...

is pioneer coming out with something better?? will the pioneer 2000 mixer work for vj'ing??

then there's NAMM next year coming out with new shit ... its hard to make an educated decision nowadays with all the changes going on

I remember my first Radio Shack mixer cost $20 bucks at a swap meet sale back in 84 ... now there are mixers over $2 grand!

Expect the resale value on the 800 to start dropping also as the mixer is discontinued.

The DJM-2000 does work with video. As does the DJM-900 and the DJM-700.

The denon will work with serato. It will not control anything in serato. So you will need x1500, serato box, and midi controller

really? i need a serato controller?? no shit Shirlock ... LOL

I use an Ecler NUO4 with the SL3, simple but effective ...

Been thinking about getting that mixer for years but never have. How do you like it?
There arnt a lot of videos on reviews on that mixer

I bought the pioneer 2000 and returned it. The cueing system was whacky. But it did handle the midi mapping fine

Pioneer DJM-700 and midi usb interface is all I use to crossfade audio/video like the TT57.

Hey DjBigBoy, I have a Pioneer DJM-5000 and want to know how to set up the crossfade with Serato SL-1 using mix emergency for effects.

anyone know any kind of work around or patch/plug to use for midi mapping the numark mixdeck with serato sl video?
cheers .

No can do... Not a midi mixer

some dealer in east africa is cinvicing a client that ddm4000 behringer can work with serato without sl1/4 interface just direct midi connection and scracth live will detect hardware . how possible is this ?

Not remotely possible.

Even IF someone had bypassed the Rane hardware lock in the software (nobody has), the 4000 is not an audio interface. It's just a mixer with midi controls.

That dealer is either lying or an idiot. Probably both.

The 5000 does do midi it just doesn't have the regular midi input, it works via a different USB cable. I got it working but still didn't like it. It's been so long now, I can hardly remember, but it picked up Midi fine.

yea, but it did not work with serato without an sl box.
which is what henri was asking.

Oh hahaah!!! Serato box is needed

I use a SL3, SSL 2.4.2, Serato Video and thinking of buying a Vestax PMC 5 Pro 4 for the midi faders and buttons. Still using my Ecler Hak 380 for now.

Anyone tried out the new Serato Video plugin with the PMC 5 Pro 4? Experiences?

And how's the crossfader? Does it feel as smooth as an Ecler (Eternal) fader? Does it mke a hard clicking sound like the Numark NS7? Anyone comments on this please?

Using it half a year now, first with VSL noch with SV. For me it works great. If you spend some time to map the buttons the way you like to work it can be great mixer for video mixing.

But you dont have any midi rotary buttons so if you need them to controll effects or video transistions you will need an additional midi device...

I cant compare the fader to other but it is realy smoth, and the "clicking" is loud enaugh imho ;)

I'm using an Ecler NUO 4 with an Sl3 and love it. Channels 2&3 can be switched to MIDI on the fly and because it's a 4 channel mixer the sampler has it's own channel. Not a lot of buttons but it has plenty of knobs.

Thanks for the info guys :)

I'm looking for a 2 channel battle-style midi mixer, I only use 2 turntables. So the Nuo 4 is not quite what I'm looking for. Like you said not a lot of buttons, still only phono or line on one channel instead of 2 line inputs possible on one channel, no jack master output...Thanks for sharing your ideas though.

Nice to hear Serato Video works well with the Vestax PMC 5 Pro 4 TealONE. I'm still not really sure what to choose, partly because of the PMC 5 Pro 4 hard clicking sound i read about in forums around the net. Was hoping Rane would release a midi mixer without Serato built-in because I already own a SL3, but I'm afraid that's not likely to happen any soon. Also can't seem to sell my Ecler Hak 380 anywhere, although it's in great condition. I guess I could miss any midi assignable rotary knobs on the PMC 5 Pro 4 because I already use an Akai LPD8 as midi controller besides my Dicers. But I really need midi faders... Decisions, decisions...

Bought a black vestax PMC 5 Pro 4, love it!

What about the behringer nox 606??

Reloop IQ2 midi mixer - just came out with a firmware update so it works perfect with Serato video. I've had it for months now and it has thoroughly been tested. It's a solid mixer.

^^It is also a battle mixer and fully midi mappable.

Hey guys

What's the story with the Ecler Nuo 4 and 4.0 mixers?
Nuo 4 was followed by Nuo 4.0, which was no longer midi mappable. How come?

I'm wondering if Ecler's Nuo 4 mixer can crossfade video...

cheers
Levi

The Nuo 4 (not 4.0) can do it. You have to set the middle two channels to midi to make it happen though, so it's a bit fiddly as your audio has to go through 1 & 4. Usable though.

The Nuo 4.0 does NOT have midi.

www.djworx.com

The Nuo 4 apparently does.

futuremusic.com

Just like phatbob said…...The Nuo 4 does not have a sound card so you can only send midi or audio on one channel. So yes you would have to set 2 channels to midi and the other 2 for audio. Also it requires a usb cord so that will take up one of your ports.

Ive been using the NUO4 for a while and I love it. Its not the best scratch mixer in the world but I can scroll/load tracks, launch samples, loops, audio/video effects. I wish it had more buttons for cue points but thats really my only complaint. I use an SL3 with so I can switch one of the channels from midi to anolog on the fly and thats the one I use for the sampler.

I agree. One of the djs in our krew has that mixer. He spins video so he sold it and bought the same mixer I have. I used it before he sold it and it was pretty cool but (like he ^^said) it's not a scratch mixer so I didn't like the feel of it. If you can get it to work for VJing like you want then more power to you. I just don't like having to worry about running midi on a separate channel. If it works the same then go for it.

Plus it has fx send/return and has MIDI clock out. You have to tap the beat but it does work. Now if Serato would allow me to use the AUX in/out on my SL3 for fx send/return I'd be a happy camper....

I should rephrase my question: Can the nuo4 crossfade audio and video simultaneously, with midi set to channels 2 and 3?

I have a timecode setup and I wish to buy a simple but qualitative midi mixer; I am not interested in effects. The nuo4 has been discontinued, other mixers seem to be rather expensive to me. Budget around 700 euros.

Could someone advise? Thanks for your answers, guys..

Oh you're in Europe. Get the Reloop IQ 2 midi. Great mixer.

The Nuo4 can not send simultaneously on 1 channel. For example, channel 1 & 4 would be your audio channels. 2 & 3 would be midi channels (through the USB). So it would work the same way. The midi channel would control the crossfader for serato video and the audio channels would work as normal.

Hope that explains better.

The IQ2 mixer I bought is just like TTM57. Around 420 Euros.

www.reloop.com

Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I'm from Belgium.
Basically, the nuo4 would be OK if I just wanted to browse through tracks using a knob and crossfade video/audio, right? It's a pity I cannot find this older mixer anymore. I'll take a look at the mixer you mentioned.

Anybody tried using the American audio DV2 , does it do midi and audio functions together ?

Thanks for clarifying. Yes, I'm from Belgium.
Basically, the nuo4 would be OK if I just wanted to browse through tracks using a knob and crossfade video/audio, right? It's a pity I cannot find this older mixer anymore. I'll take a look at the mixer you mentioned.

Here is a link to buy the mixer. You can also try the UK Ebay.

www.ebay.com

Thanks, but that is not necessary. I can buy this mixer straight from the Netherlands. I've read your posts here, and I think I'm buying one tomorrow. A Dutch dj firm is opening its new shop tomorrow, and I can get a 7.5 percent reduction off the retail price if I decide to buy the mixer tomorrow at the opening....

Belgium is next to Holland, just over an hour by car... so I'll check out the mixer tomorrow!

Sounds like a strange shop if they're selling long-since discontinued equipment on their first day of opening... The Nuo 4 has been out of production for at least 2 years.

If they do have a new one in stock somehow, I'd be looking for a LOT more than 7.5% off retail...

Yea that's weird if that shop sells it. There is a good reason those mixers don't get made anymore. And if something goes wrong there is no customer service or parts to repair. if you buy that NUO4 then it should be less than $400

No no, I was referring to the reloop mixer DJ Teeoh suggested! The name of the shop is bax, amazing service and nice prices.

The reason for discontinued products is more often related to marketing, I believe. I wish I knew the story about nuo4 =>nuo 4.O evo5.

And obviously, I misread the post, sorry about that! Getting late here.

Getting late here too... ;-)

Confusion!

lol, yea definitely go check it out. Ask them about the firmware update. If they don't know (if you have Mac) I can email you the files you need. If not I know where to find the PC ones.

OK, thanks (I'm a mac user). Will keep you posted.

Question. How Do I Get My Denon DN-X1600 Fader To Work In Serato Video? I Am Using The Numark V7s.

You don't. Itch doesn't support midi mapping.

You'll need to wait for the release of Serato DJ early next year which is specified as having external midi mapping.

anybody know if the behringer nox 606 does any midi/video SL? not that I want to buy it...just a good question because its a budget friendly mixer like hardcore!

I use the Pioneer DJM - T1. Its a midi map mixer that u can program each button or knob to do two different functions. And it comes with a another dj program that i never use or understand. lol

got the DJM-T1 as well...amazing mixer!

no way you can compare the Rane mixers with pioneer...The Rane's are like "Bently" of DJ mixers. High end and solid! Not everyone can afford one but if can it is the isn! But a "toyota" type mixer is cool also?

lol...I'd love to buy a Rane mixer Ace...but money was tight and I got a bargain for the T1...$500 brand new can't go wrong lol

I just bought a new Vestax PMC-05 Pro IV about a week ago. I am using a SL1 box. In my set I don't use video but I wanted a mixer that is midi-capable so I can control Serato directly from the mixer instead of touching the laptop. Plus I love the fader and headphone cue. Has anyone run into problems with the mixer?

Please delete my post. I inadvertently posted in the wrong forum. Thanks!

Money is very tight right now. I am looking for a trade or a good but, inexpensive mixer to use with my serato video. Any suggetions? I have an SL3 and a dv2 mixer as well as a stanton M.203

Check out the Reloop IQ2 as discussed above.

Cosign, the Reloop IQ2 still running solid.

The Reloop IQ2 works with Serato? I thought it was only compatible w/ Traktor?

It's Traktor ready but works great for serato. It has built-in Traktor templates but you can customize it for serato. Been using 2 for over.a year and these things are dope. The website has drivers for Serato video.

Any thoughts on the Korg Zero 4? I may have found one without the hiss....