That’s fire...Denon is really coming for Puoneer’s head wow

Now the thing I’m wondering is Serato embedded when ?

It's gonna be serato ready Denon Confirmed it.

That i saw, I’m referring to a unit similar to this running Serato DJ instead of say Denons software as this is.

Also interesting inmusics play with making dedicated hardware for all of ones music needs without needing a laptop.

MPC for music creation, the new APC controller for loop based music, and this Denon unit for DJs which I’m sure at some point will be able to talk with one another.

This was a answer to my question of how the laptop will be phased out somewhat, the new question now in my opinion will people buy in.

Ahhhh see you forgetting Serato is the Apple of the DJ world it takes them 5 years to implement something other companies do in 6 months.

😂 Thanks for the reminder and the laughs that bought.

I almost shed a tear to this comment! LOL. Maybe Serato waits to implement a feature and/or technology until it is an absolute must have?

LOL let's go with that...Lol

That way of looking at things is ‘for now’ over, will have to wait until being conservative about things cycles back. Immediacy is the the rule and whoever provides will be who gets the dollars. It is a slow shift but it is the shift that is occurring. Also the fact that so many new types of customers with more and more small specific incremental needs are happening as well.

Speaking of being behind, edit button when. Came to mind after posting that, that is just one of the millions of ways to look at things, either way someones gonna sell and someones gonna buy and that will never end.

Laptop will soon be a thing of the past. Take my word for it.

True standalone controller/mixer will have own onboard processor and HD.

You can install a SATA 1tb drive in this thing that’s crazy!

LMAO harsh facts

Man, we're really getting close to the no laptop days. This is exciting.

I agree we're almost there...to be honest if the Denondj Sc5000 M's played nice with my Rane 72 i would've been there already i'm sick of carrying a laptop but this thing with a 1tb Sata drive sounds like a very very good move.

This looks dope but how easy will it be to keep your library sync'ed to your laptop?

"Another industry ‘world’s first’ is Prime 4’s independent Zone Output, empowering DJs with the ability to send a full playlist of music to a completely separate room or location, all while the DJ rocks the dancefloor in the main venue. "

Wow

Watchwww.youtube.com

Overview^^^

Yeah, this thing checks all the boxes for mobile, wedding and bedroom controller DJs. A fuckin' beast!! I have a full setup of A&H, CDJ, Ableton, MK5s, etc.. and even I am drooling over this thing.

They thought of almost everything. Beast for sure! Only 20 lbs too.

21.34 lbs 😉

But 28.68" × 19.59" x 4.08" / 728.47 x 496.82 × 103.63 mm

This thing is bulky !

Also wonderinf why Denon hasn't kept sc5000 layout on the prime4.
Bigger jogwheels and linear pads are better IMO

wondering*

nice promo vid

Watchwww.youtube.com

on board key shifting was the one thing these standalone units were missing for me. Hopefully, they implement it via firmware for the SC5000s.

Unit is way too big and unruly for me and I'm fine with using my laptop still, but I could see this being installed in smaller bars/lounges and probably wouldn't complain if I saw one of these.

The harddrive bay is pretty cool, but I wonder if you have to unscrew that pannel and use an enclosure everytime you wanted to load it up with tracks, or if there's a way to do it using just the onboard Engine OS.

Yeah, I was curious about that myself.

I have the SC5000 and when you connect the player to the laptop you can actually see the hardrives/USB sticks connected to the 5000. Could be same thing for the Prime 4.

Thats why it's got USB 3 port at the rear...for speedy transfers...I suppose. The SC5000 had the same USB 3 port as well.

I was also able to use regular USB 2 cables with the USB 3 port...

Next up is a dual rane 12 and 72 with a fold up screen similar to this and the laptop will be gone.

That would be amazing but with 10” platters instead of 12

Agree on the 10" platter...and Serato inside instead of Prime. That would be dope!

I’d prefer a standalone version of the 72s that are compatible with the Twelves and hopefully the Nines if that ever becomes a thing.

With the possibility of an upgradable serato app/ New serato release software updates inside the standa alone unit to be upgraded via firmware

Gotta be real interesting to have standalone serato

+1 but keep it 12" and drop the unneccessary extra weight.

Showcasing the Denon Prime on the Beat Junkie's FB site live stream. www.facebook.com

Yeah, that wasn't the best "presentation" of the hardware, lolol!!
#trainwreck

Hopefully in the NEAR future!! ; )

I just found out that if/when Prime 4 gets Serato support you'll still need to connect a laptop to it. I thought for some reason that would also be standalone.

Yup, it's completely standalone with PRIME software only not SDJ Pro. I will migrate over to a a laptop free setup once Serato embeds their software into a mixer and/or controller.

Man, had no idea... not so excited about this now. And I agree with you. Gimme a shout when they embed SDJ in a mixer/controller, when it's really standalone lol

Denon’s model is that prime handles the standalone and serato handles the laptop integration. Since engine prime reads serato crates and cue/loop data, you should theoretically be able to manage your track in serato, analyze in engine and be good to go.

Unfortunately, Engine utilizes it’s own database for bpm and beatgrid information so even if the bpm is accurate in serato, if engine messes that up, you still have to go into engine and manually correct bad bpms or grids which is a pain because prime’s grid editing is fucking terrible.

I can’t see engine being a software/laptop suite anytime soon considering how much work they still need to do to in terms of basic functionality just as a track management program.

yup, and even at track management when it comes to open format....It's absolutely trash and they don't seem to e in a hurry to fix it....I love denon and like their hardware but at the moment i wish Pioneer would come out with a rotating platter ddj RX to see what teir approach would be.

I would also like to see Pioneer's take on a rotating platter media player/controller. A direct competition against the Rane 12- only a smaller, more portable version without bugs.

Actually the Twelve has been pretty bug free for the most part. But yeah a 10' Platter pioneer would be dope with stand alone since Rekordbox is miles and miles and miles ahead of PRIMe

If you rely on proper BPM and grid for mixing, just stay clear of Engine Prime.

I think it needs a total rewrite.

Ground up.

agreed definitely the worst i seen in a long time I did a few gigs on it and it's definitely not ready for primetime

Damn, Marv. Engine Prime is STILL that bad???!!!

I would of thought that basic functionality would have improved since my time on Engine 1.5??!!

I hate using rekordbox as well, but at least it’s fully featured and works once you figure out the best workflow.

Still hate it tho.

Everything I’ve read, pioneer has no intention of going spinning platters.

I think Rekordbox as a library management tool to use with thumdrives or a hard drive is great but if it's to dj on it I wouldn't do it.

Certain features do need the correct info helps a lot even if you still mix entirely by ear - autoloops snap to the grid, if you have an x1800, bpm effects do require the correct bpm to get proper timing.

I just received a review unit of the 5000M to mess around with and I’ve literally been struggling with both rekordbox and engine to get it to work the way I want.

I decided it was time to finally have a proper rekordbox formated USB as a backup (as opposed to just having files in a folder as I’ve done for years), and it’s literally taken weeks to set it up the way I want because the interface is so unintuitive for rekordbox and so limited for engine prime.

I can’t belive they didn’t bother to put in a beatgrid expansion/compression feature in it - literally every other program has that.

Engine 1.5 is better than the vomittus called Engine Prime.

I think it was designed in a pub on a napkin.

On paper the hardware is all that but one cant enjoy it with the software.


Something as simple as refreshing itunes/serato library takes best of 3 hours (eg when you add 1 single new track and you want engine prime to see that track)

It doesn't read BPM value in tracks idtag but proceeds to do it's own analysis. It then comes up with crazy BPM and beat grids, making library sorting next to useless.

I would never in a million years use Engine as a main library analysis. At best, I'd use Serato and create Engine specific crates that I import in so I can manage much smaller collections.

This. I'd definitely use it for wedding playlists.

Everything else gets the laptop.

Denon NEEDS to fix this BEFORE the release of the Prime 4 controller!!

inMusic Brand is REALLY lucky that one of it's competitors (@Roland, @PioneerDJ, @Reloop, @Technics etc.) hasn't released a similar product... yet!!!

Denon NEEDS to fix this BEFORE the release of the Prime 4 controller!!

inMusic Brand is REALLY lucky that one of it's competitors (@Roland, @PioneerDJ, @Reloop, @Technics etc.) hasn't released a similar product... yet!!!
I said the same thing They are really lucky that no one specially Pio hasnt come out with a similar or better product.....it also doesnt help that it keeps getting pushed back for some reason...at the end of the day though the Prime 4 could be the greatest piece of hard ware ever but if the software is un-usable to your target audience then it's trash and wont make a dent on the market....say what you will about Pioneer atleast when they release something 9 out of 10 is ready for primetime.

^THIS! The only Pioneer DJ product I even own is the Pioneer DJS-1000 sampler. It is VERY well built & has worked GREAT since day 1!! I may now consider buying other products from Pioneer because of my positive experience.

I just recieved my Prime 4 the waite is finally over. Didnt have a chance to o blow by blow above but is Prime 4 Serato DJ Pro ready????

No

WHEN will it be Serato Ready?? Anyone KNOW?

Man the unit has been pushed back so much that i don't think that's even happening before the end of the year. look how long it's taken to support the M's

Prime 4's are hitting the street...I would think serato would have support by now

Prime4 been hitting the streets supposedly since March but just now retailers are getting like 4 units at a time...The M's have been out for a year still no Serato support plus now with the whole streaming capabilities i doubt they'll have support for Serato anytime soon.

Agreed. It's the most logical progression, and one I'm looking forward to. My NS7 has proven far more reliable than my custom built Dell laptop, which has caused me no end of headaches.

My question now is ... how will subscription services such as Tidal and this new Beatport service adapt too? Will we soon see a day when digital DJs can browse and download music online without needing a laptop?

It's already here. You can stream music on the Prime Series.

It's already here. You can stream music on the Prime Series.

Really?? Daaaaamn. That's awesome. Maybe one day the Minister for Finance will let me upgrade ...

I love this unit. And it would be great with Serato DJ. Please, make it happen for 2.3!🙌

when I update firmware updater on Mac it keep stay prime 4 not detected what does it means tried everything I know last thing I did was usb update and it works so just wondering what it means this

Will the Prime 4 ever allow for serato to be ran in standalone mode or will it always require a computer? Would be a really dope future as Engine Prime isn't the greatest. Don't mind plugging into my laptop, just wondering if anyone has thought about this, or heard anything!

Serato doesn’t do standalone.

Yet, BUT a lot can change in a yr or two... ; )

I think it’s more likely that InMusic buys serato and uses that as their laptop software than serato making a standalone software.

If serato go into the hardware biz, it would be more likely,

BLASPHEMY!! Dem is fighting words!!! LOL ; )

I've heard they have hired top engineers from Serato. I don't know what this will do for Denon hardware, but Engine will get better and Serato integration much better in the near future. I'm crossing my fingers!