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Coming from Traktor, Serato analyzing tracks sucks!

Dia Kabuum 4:59 PM - 12 February, 2017
I'm pretty new to Serato. I've analyzed all my tracks, and most of them I have to correctly grid myself because the Serato analysis didn't properly analyzed them. Am I doing something wrong? In Traktor, 95 percent of the tracks are perfectly analyzed, with the exception of the old-school band type tracks. I spend a lot of time setting cue points, and editing imperfect Serato analysis. I'm gonna have to go through my entire library to correctly beat match my tracks!

Is there a secret better way to analyze tracks in Serato

Need help Thanx!
ilvit 1:05 AM - 13 February, 2017
im wondering why NO ONE is giving you an answer about serato analyzations
Jordan L 1:09 AM - 13 February, 2017
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I'm pretty new to Serato. I've analyzed all my tracks, and most of them I have to correctly grid myself because the Serato analysis didn't properly analyzed them. Am I doing something wrong? In Traktor, 95 percent of the tracks are perfectly analyzed, with the exception of the old-school band type tracks. I spend a lot of time setting cue points, and editing imperfect Serato analysis. I'm gonna have to go through my entire library to correctly beat match my tracks!

Is there a secret better way to analyze tracks in Serato

Need help Thanx!


Hey,

Serato should get the analysis right most of the time. If you'd like to open up a help request and our support team can investigate it further. In the mean time make sure you have your BPM range in the analysis settings set accordingly.

support.serato.com

Cheers.
alec.tron 1:38 AM - 13 February, 2017
I would follow up with support if you can prove the difference in quality between the 2 and have a set of examples! This would make Serato as a product better for all of us. Alas, they still need to tackle the long promised library update... but Traktor has the same problem...

As an alternative, and if you use a Mac (at this point... windows version is on the way, but no ETA), Rekordbuddy converts all your Traktor cue points into Serato (and rekordbox) compatible ones.

c.
Dia Kabuum 4:33 AM - 15 February, 2017
This is definitely stressful. I changed the bpm range and still have this issue. I can literally play 2 of the same tracks and one will speed up faster than the other, even with sync on. My BPM's are all over the place, they are not steady. I re-analyzed all my tracks with the change BPM range, and again most of the tracks are not correct. I gridded a small playlist I created perfectly, and with sync on the beat will only lock in for 1/2 bar, maybe a full bar and then drift away from the beat match. I just purchased over $3000 dollar of hardware, (a DJM S9 and 2 pioneer 1000's), and can't use it with Software, because of Serato's erratic software!!! I thinking about returning all of my gear and go back to Traktor Software. I don't understand why Serato Software doesn't correctly beat count. Is this a regular problem with this software?
reif99 5:09 AM - 15 February, 2017
What type of music are analysing??

It's almost perfect with every track I use it with.

Are u "sliding" the beatgrid rather than "Stretching" it?

Never stretch a beatgrid unless you are sure it really is out of time, always slide it around and check the 1st beat, 8, 16, 32, etc

Most of the tracks I analyse require a tiny bit of sliding, nothing else. But I generally play house music where 1/2 bpms are a non issue

My rule of thumb for analysing is look at the 1st beat & snare, make sure they line up by sliding (never stretching) then look at the end of the song and see if it all still lines up?

If they don't, try and determine if the track is gradually going out of time (a live drummer) or if it stays on for the majority Then sudennly goes out?

Even live drummer tracks, where Serato will never give u a perfect beatgrid (without your intervention), I will double check a songs bpm by googling it, and Serato is rarely out by 1/2 a beat or so.

There is always particularly Tricky songs, two different examples:
Disclosure - latch (the whole 3/4 beat, CDJs & software think it's 90bpm instead of 122)
Led zeppelin- whole lotta love (live drumming - the bpm gets faster)
Dia Kabuum 5:39 AM - 15 February, 2017
Thanx for the replay everybody. I'm not sure i know what 'stretching" is. Here's how I do it. I find the first beat (marker) then edit it. If it is off by a bit, I adjust and then hit "set". Then I go to the next marker if it is off, and hit "set" again until I have perfectly line the markers up, and then I hit the "save" button. Even my Techno tracks with clear beat sounds are off? In Traktor the same songs are perfectly beat matched when analyzed. Many of my R&B/Hip hop and party songs are clear Beats, and you would think Serato analyze could easily detect the beat markers. I just don't get it and it is frustrating, so much so, i order me a Traktor Z2 scratch mixer and will be returning the DJM S9. I truly hate to do that because the S9 is a BEAST of a mixer but I don't feel comfortable using it with serato.
Draven1327 7:00 AM - 15 February, 2017
Here's a good tutorial for quick beatgridding

Watchwww.youtube.com

(Youtube Has a ton of these)

and heres a link for the shortcuts and terminology for beat grids

serato.com

it does take practice to get quick at beat gridding. right now it only takes me about 15-30 sec per track to set an accurate beatgrid. I like doing the beatgrid personally because there are a ton of songes where I set the 1st down beat either on the first verse of the song or in the first beat of the chorus. it helps me get ready for quick fire djing.
Dia Kabuum 1:15 AM - 17 February, 2017
I'm having to many issues with this software. I was not going to post for a few days into I really dug into Serato DJ. Well, I did,10-15 hours a night. This software is truly unpredictable. I found out that my BPM on certain tracks would jump from 95 to 140 without notice. The sync issues are horrific because of the unsteadiness of the software. Each time I turn on the system with my turntable/mixer hooked up the turntable on the right side plays in reverse???? WTF? I have to my table off, and then pick a different track for it to turn properly. I keep getting distorted sound drops. Also, I personally and carefully beat gridded an entire playlist of 30 songs and now some of my markers have moved to improper grids? I will be repackaging my DJM s9 and returning it to get a different mixer that is dedicated to TRAKTOR software. I truly wish the S9 was Traktor ready the S9 mixer is an incredible mixer! I have several gigs coming up in March, and cannot afford to wait for updates, and support help and take this software on the road with me. It would be a complete disaster.
wadup 2:55 AM - 17 February, 2017
Would be helpful if u could do a video showing us the problem ur having... I'm sure someone will be able to help.. also did u test the new beta it address some DVS improvements
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Boolu 8:18 PM - 30 December, 2017
Same issue Dia Kabuum going into 2018 and no changes to Analyzing files in Serato. Serato DJ has everything else (Flip, Naming Files, Changing Quantize setting, Jog Wheel accuracy etc) thats better than Traktor except Analyzing files and locking to the beat grid. Thats the 1 reason I cant just completely stop using Traktor.
tb0ne 2:53 PM - 2 January, 2018
I'm a long time Cross user and have just finished importing and analysing my library in Serato.
More or less forced since Cross is dead. :-(
I feel the same about Serato's analysis capabilities, grids that are off, the first downbeat that's off.
I have to correct a lot of my tracks, Cross did a much better job with that.
And if you managed to get it all right, why is smart sync so quick to disable itself, where's the sense in that?
Other Serato DJs laugh when they see I use Cross but I'm not very impressed with what I have seen from Serato so far... :-/
Detroitbootybass 5:16 PM - 2 January, 2018
You don't need beat grids or sync to DJ... those are crutches for beginners.
DJ Val-BKNY11203 8:14 PM - 2 January, 2018
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You don't need beat grids or sync to DJ... those are crutches for beginners.


Clearly he can't DJ without sync. He needs to go ahead turn in his gear & go back to Traktor like he suggested. LOL
tb0ne 8:42 PM - 2 January, 2018
I have no issues to beatmatch manually but please continue to live in the past, a horse and carriage will also get you from a to b.
The issue remains, Serato’s analysis is not as good as it is in Cross.
pdidy 9:35 PM - 2 January, 2018
Dia Kabuum, Serato is pretty accurate when it comes to House music and similar genres with that 4 x 4 beat. But serato has NEVER EVER been anywhere close to good when is come to using sync or beat grids with genres like Hiphop, R&B, classic R&B, Reggae, Soca, and Spanish genres. For obvious reasons Serato can never admit this to you.

So if you NEED or WANT sync or beat grids to work with these genres don't waste anymore time just "go ahead turn in your gear & go back to Traktor like you previously suggested.

The time it would take for dj's playing Hiphop, R&B, classic R&B, Reggae, Soca, and Spanish genres to MANUALLY sync or beat grids track in serato is not going to EVER happen for those of us who have been djing with serato for many years and have 10,000+ song in our library. So we beat-match manually and visually.
DJ Tecniq 2:46 AM - 3 January, 2018
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I'm having to many issues with this software. I was not going to post for a few days into I really dug into Serato DJ. Well, I did,10-15 hours a night. This software is truly unpredictable. I found out that my BPM on certain tracks would jump from 95 to 140 without notice. The sync issues are horrific because of the unsteadiness of the software. Each time I turn on the system with my turntable/mixer hooked up the turntable on the right side plays in reverse???? WTF? I have to my table off, and then pick a different track for it to turn properly. I keep getting distorted sound drops. Also, I personally and carefully beat gridded an entire playlist of 30 songs and now some of my markers have moved to improper grids? I will be repackaging my DJM s9 and returning it to get a different mixer that is dedicated to TRAKTOR software. I truly wish the S9 was Traktor ready the S9 mixer is an incredible mixer! I have several gigs coming up in March, and cannot afford to wait for updates, and support help and take this software on the road with me. It would be a complete disaster.
It sounds like you’re a new turntable/DVS user and don’t know how to calibrate your decks properly the mixer isn’t the problem it’s just you. Any turntable will drift bpm slightly they are analog devices. The antidrift feature in Serato is pretty decent for this though to keep bpm steady. Sounds like you came from a controller and thought you’d get the same result with DVS. Learn how to mix on them first. It’s prob a good thing you sold the equipment you’re not ready for it at this point.