It happens to the best of us. Eventually you come across a gig that just makes sense to use a controller. Piddy told us that controllers are the future. At least part of the future. I use the PioneerSB2 for my smaller gigs.

2010 called and it wants its controller back.

200 bucks.

No need to upgrade to Serato DJ.

Scratchlive 1.9.1/2 and WinXP ftw. Again.

Next you're going to tell me the tooth fairy isn't real...what's this world coming to

I will give you $50 for it.

Nice. VCI-300 is still a great controller IMO.

Add on another 150.00 for it being a collectable + 75.00 for shipping and handling....

And it's a deal...

Thanks!

One of the best to ever do it on a VCI -

May I present Mr. Deez Notes -

Watchwww.youtube.com

Man, and I thought I could cash in on the rest of my teeth when they start falling out...

Nah,

Actually. Im dissapointed in you and this whole process no matter what type of pump me up battle comes out of it.

Why? Because I won't use the 1 turntable method?

Man look..

That controller will be the last one standing when this is all over...

I was gonna mention that vid by Deez when I saw your PDiddy post.

I have one also - sitting around collecting dust just could never het into those jog wheels. It took me a few months to learn how to calibrate them so it discouraged me originally.

It's been a while since I used ITCH - amazing that it was the step child of Serato DJ. Gotta look and see if I still have ITCH installed.

you know you can't use scratchlive with this controller?

Itch I couldnt do it. I had that comtroller and got rid of it. Too low output, well I had the mk1 the mk2 is probs better.

I mean ITCH....

Might as well be Scratchlive...

That's why I got the MKII.

Trust, I do my homework.

Within the last 9 months about 8 of my traditionalist turntable ONLY dj friends/partners/associates have surprisingly added controllers to their set of dj tools. And they are all popular and well respected in the New York urban tri-state area dj community.

Logisticalstyles do you connect more than one speaker from the SB2 IF SO which adapter you use to connect more than one speaker from the SB2, MY APOLOGIES for intruding this conversation but notice you mention you have this controller which I'm looking at getting for small gig's

DJ is far more solid than Itch ever was in my experiences.

I'll bite...

So what issues have people experienced with ITCH?

Crashes. Freezes. Horrible glitch sound (I think that had to do with the first i-series chips though). I had the ns7. Loved the hardware but got tired of the random behavior. Caveat, most issues subsided when I got a Mac, but it still wasn't a magic bullet. SSL just works, and well. And you got the rest if the big boy features eg vsl, me, sp6, midi etc. That's why I sold mine. I got tired of using work arounds.

I'm not sure what you mean. I connect my SB2 to a small line mixer. You shouldn't need an adapter to connect to two speakers even if you are going straight from the controller to the speakers. A simplified set up would be coming from the Main outputs of the controller to the speakers. An RCA to 1/4" cable should work. There are two outputs so send one to each speaker.

Hmmm...haven't had any issues so far, but I'll watch for them.

OH SNAP!!!

This is a wonderful thing to come back to the forums for. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON JOHNNY? your back hurting these days!? LOL

youtu.be

A cold day in hell...

lol This.

SAY IT AIN'T SO! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAHAHA!



I'll put my NS7 and V7's against that.


How long have you got (though 2.2.2 was fairly solid)?

Just use Serato DJ.



Guy I know just picked up one of the Pioneer controllers (I think the SX). We tried to tell y'all years ago man. They just didn't get it, but they do now pdidy.

i.imgur.com

The Pioneer DDJ-SX2 and DDJ-SZ are fast becoming the new standard many of these "respected" dj's I mentioned are now opting for. So now that their "stamp of approval" is now official in my region (NYC and surrounding areas) the controller approval rating is going to exploded within a year from now.

sigh: even Jeff now....
youtu.be

Nope, just giving myself an option to play in limited space when I have guest DJ's who don't want to play on Turntables.

I meant "overall" controllers will be the last thing standing when this is all over.



And guess what? Version 2.2.2 is EXACTLY the version I'm running, and you saying it's fairly solid stands behind what I said about me not having any problems thus far.



Nope, don't want to leave Scratch Live....ITCH doesn't tax WinXP, and actually since installing ITCH, my library loads IN A FLASH now...on both ScratchLive and ITCH.

Yep....

lol, Froze over, huh?

I'm saying, I always respected this from Deez - > Watchwww.youtube.com

Does the man make the controller, or does the controller make the man?

ITCH made a lot of improvements to the way the library was handled that didn't make it into Scratch Live but did make it into DJ (and were further improved) so that makes sense.

Really?

Now THAT is a come up...

Scratchlive and ITCH w/ WinXP FTW.

lol @ the Jedi Mind tricks...

No, I'm not setting up 1 Turntable and 1 Mixer my dude.

In the interest of space, that Vestax is Prime Real Estate, and only one device to hook up.

the vci 300 supports both itch and dj so try them both and see what feels more stable.

that's not jeff

Again, I'm not interested in experiencing the "Issues" that I've seen crop up with Serato DJ.

Plus, I have no plans on upgrading my laptop at this time to make Serato DJ optimal.

For the very few times that I anticipate using the Vestax, ITCH seems to fit the bill.

Its not for everyone, put that aside...



Aside from anything else, I always seen you as a dude who was uncompromising.

And now you are using a controller because other dudes can't rock on tables....

And thats how they win... It aint a big deal, but every little chip counts.

Now I'm just waiting for the youtu.be

I am to a point.

As you can see, I've kept my OS the same, my laptop the same, and since going to ITCH, the performance of my existing ScratchLive library has increased like night and day.

Cats STILL telling me to get a Mac and Serato DJ....lmao.



Yep, at some point part of the game is knowing when to be versatile, and try to future proof yourself. I already accept that I don't have the TIME to come up with new and exciting mixes every month, so why NOT have a guest DJ in the spot, who are actually either Idols of mine or have a certified Legendary status in the DJ game (AKA Red Alert), or just cats that are local who I may Cross Promote with from time to time.

That way, I let them spin, my and their crowds get a little something different and or atmosphere, and I just concentrate on managing the door and the flow of the night.

I'm not a promoter, but I have my tricks, and they work.



You're looking at it as a "We" (Turntable Purists') thing versus "Them" (Controller Crutch DJ's). Nah, the cats I hire are legit party rockers, and again, the only other person worried about what a DJ uses is another DJ.

Don't get it twisted, a dude can't walk in to my spot rocking an iPod.

I'm literally the last man standing carrying around 12's to all of my functions.

I'm not here to make them go back in time, and I don't do the "Me rock for a set" then you go on "Rotation" thing, I'd have them come in the whole night, do their thing and bounce.

I just can't take the chance that they'll be late, so I have a way to play music in a way that isn't just pushing a button to me.

I just coped a referbed mac so I can add my drive of choice, partitioned it for an SSL dedicated OS.



You brougt Red Alert?
OK.




I knew I would have to explain "we". Because I'm not a purist and don't care how others do it, or what they use, not anymore...

But I do care about what comes on the market. I would switch to a controller if it has the qualities I'm looking for.

So by "we" I just meant dudes who still turntables, for whatever the reason. And the more DJs switch the less chance a company actually gets it right with a controller that will actually take the place of turntables.

Im using Reloop8000, and not because it plays real vinyl.



For now....



Im not. Its still clubs around here that set decks up. Controllers on the side....

I was traditionally DVS only but I must say I have a lot of fun rocking with the DDJ SX2. To each their own I suppose. Also, I only have one pair of turntables so I wasn't feeling the constant breaking down and setting up again.

Yep. TWICE.

Watchm.youtube.com

The funny part is that Red Alert is the EASIEST one to set up for as he uses a 56s with an SL3 AND turntables.

I just just set them up Disco style for him.

When it's time for him to play, I put on REAL vinyl and we swap laptops.

Now that's dope.

Word. Always wanted to open for Red Alert.

But that set up is still popular standard around my area...

Noted.



I wouldn't say I'd "switch", I'd get (and got) a controller to add to the arsenal, which met my needs. Compact, uses very LOW resources, runs on XP, and uses (and improved) my existing Scratchlive library. No overviews needed.



Why hope for one to "Replace" turntables? Just create one that for lack of a better term, tries to "Preserve the artform"...Rotating platters maybe?



Let me clarify...

I won't being bringing anybody around who expects to rock off of an iPod.



Not a 12 in sight in these parts except mine...

Like I said, I saw more issues in itch than I do with Dj so it's there to try so you can decide for yourself.

Just the sheer amount of complaints I hear about Serato DJ, is enough to keep me right where I am with ITCH, and oh, did I mention that I'm not switching my XP laptop out?

Plus Papa Midnight confirmed my suspicions with the increased library handling and stability.

Nah, I'm good.

Noted.



Now I aint talking about any type of "switch" ing either... lol

But that's how these things get started... one step at a time. 8, 9 years from now you might be picking up that new DJ808 joint.



Exactly.

Heres my thing. CDJ and EDM wrecked everything. If they never came out with CDJs and these EDM dudes didn't look at those jog wheels as just big bpm adjusters, we would be good. If DVS came out just a couple years earlier before CDJs got established we would be fine. Because most controllers would be rotating platters at this point. All that static jog wheel crap would never took hold. That's my theory anyway.

Now, all these dudes are complacent to static, or never even worked with rotating plates. So its just a matter of time. Even if some decent or more variety of rotating platters came on the market, most will take the cheap route in the end.

And what do I loose? All the possibilities that could have come from exploring all the types of decks that could have been.




Noted



shame


In the end it just is what it is.

One of my "1200 only" dj partners (johnny you know him but i wont mention names) who is that dude who got all the jokes about controllers and push button dj's if he sees any of us using them. He recently played a club with just his rane 57 in internal mode.

So im thinking to myself if it ever gets to the point that you're leaving your 12's home for the convenience and just pushing cue point buttons on a 57, you would be far better off just using a controller and gaining more control......So im laughing to myself thinking dude is a heartbeat away from a controller but his pride and words wont let it happen. Im paciently waiting for the day he cracks so I can......i.makeagif.com but all in fun of course...

patiently

lol. Aight, let me defend that dude. I've done the same things in certain situations. Matter of fact that was one of my recommendations. Matter of fact I have a AMX paired with a Midifighter for a couple things.

That's just situational. It means NOTHING!


^ and remember how thet ends.

That's a great line. Used by many a man caught in comprimising circumstances to varying degrees of success. lol. Do continue.

Yea I get your point but there was some clues, patterns and history leading up to this particular day. 6 months ago 2 X1200's at every event > 1 month ago 1 X 1200 (instant doubles) > Last weekend rane 57 only......Hmmm, we will see :)

LMAO. Yall hurting my feelings today.... Im out!

seems like controllers are becoming the new standard


fast forward 5 years from now JM will be asking "whats the best of the best controller so i can buy 20 of them and put them next to my 20 realistic mixers"



@pdiddy

i'm waiting on the denon mc 7000 www.denondj.com there was i time when denon made top quality products i think the dns 7000 denondj.com was the most underrated cd player ever, for me it kills the pioneer cdj

pioneer has the market share right now but in my opinion it's not because they make the best quality product, i'm still trying to figure out why so many people are selling their rane 62 to get a S9

But lets be clear I am Pro 1200's as a preference > CDJ's > then controllers.

But this situation reminds me of a balding Man who refuses to accept he's bald....Dude just
"Let it go" its ok...lol See Coolio and those Struggle Braids, Gotta Let it Go.... :)

lol AKIEM, just so you know, my comment had nothing to do with you or this thread. it just reminded me of those situations when man's caught with his pants down and trying to explain away the situation. Like Eddie Murphy's classic sketch in Delirious (or was it R.A.W.?). hahaha.

i already know.lol


the minute i see i'm shaving it all off.....lol

i don't understand those cats combing the little bit of hair they have on their side but bald everywhere else , just whip out a razor and shave it clean........lol

and why did no one recommend this to JM?

denondj.com

it controls scratch live 1.9 just fine via midi

...and I had to shave my head straight outta highschool too! No braids, fro, ceazars, dreads, none of that for me..

#emotionalrightnow

Wheres remix to witness me mad/sad right now?

;(

LOL

like the name of the thread i'm not judging you

There are plenty of those exact same kinds of people in the DMV.

Ha! Two people come to mind, either JJ or THB.

Lol, look who wants to try to be relevant on my coat tails again?

You been practicing those "Pump Me Ups?"

Lmao.

Lmao

Somebody needs to tell Stevie Wonder a few things as well....

smh

yawn!!

m.popkey.co lol

Stevie's handlers/advisors/ect need i53.photobucket.com

lmao...

It's been that way for a few years down here in Tampa. Almost everyone is using SX or SZ in clubs. There are some clubs that have (and require use of) their installed CDJ setups but almost no one using vinyl on a regular basis anymore (that I see/know)
People I know:
55% SZ/SX
25% CDJs
10% Traktor rigs
06% Other
04% DVS

I rate controllers higher than CDJs. I use to have a pair of CDJs which I sold few months after getting my SX.

I still have my TTs and two mixers ( 62 and the S9)
Currently I play one particular bar with TTs and the other dance bar with SX.

Mobiles which I don't do much is tailored to the booking, if they request decks or I rate it as premium I take the decks.

Waiting for the next pioneer Serato controller. I don't want to to buy the SZ.

IMO, this is one to keep an eye on

denondj.com

Too many people freaking out over the mirrored layout for it to take off just yet...

i dont know why? the vci 300/vci 380 had that mirrored layout & people loved it

serato.com

serato.com

The most repeated complaint I keep seeing (aside from just general annoyance at having to get used to a new layout) is that when scratching the left side pitch is too easy to hit with your fingers. On both of those Vestax units the pitch is way above the platters and out of the way.

i hear you, but i think the denon will be a quality piece , i u used the big brother t this years dj expo felt solid

they did copy pioneer tho ,sigh

Yeah, I got a MCX-8000 and I love it so far.

I don't scratch tho :).

With more people becoming open to trying controllers, more people are having to adjust to a change in their usual comfort zone.

With that said, I suspect the issue is that people are having to adjust from being accustomed to the pitch fader being on the right side (or top right in battle mode) after using turntables and CDJs for years.

(I say this because the NS7, NS7II, and NS7III are also mirrored).

Good thing there are plenty (too many) controller options to try.