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Did Yamaha finally release a decent sub?
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Did Yamaha finally release a decent sub?
Rebelguy
4:59 AM - 11 August, 2015
It's lighter and louder on paper than the EV ETX 18SP.
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Not at 110lbs.It's lighter and louder on paper than the EV ETX 18SP.
JDforKing
6:45 AM - 11 August, 2015
It's lighter and louder on paper than the EV ETX 18SP.
Yea i guess you're right and i think casters are optional.
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Not at 110lbs.It's lighter and louder on paper than the EV ETX 18SP.
Yea i guess you're right and i think casters are optional.
DJ GaFFle
11:01 AM - 11 August, 2015
Oh boy... bout time! I love the reliability, sound and trustworthiness of Yamaha tops but always knew their prosumer subs were just okay. The one thing that scares me is the mention of "bandpass design". They did mention input from Nexo in the design and they are no joke in the PA sound world. I'd love to give these a listen.
Oh boy... bout time! I love the reliability, sound and trustworthiness of Yamaha tops but always knew their prosumer subs were just okay. The one thing that scares me is the mention of "bandpass design". They did mention input from Nexo in the design and they are no joke in the PA sound world. I'd love to give these a listen.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
1:35 PM - 11 August, 2015
Please expand on this...
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The one thing that scares me is the mention of "bandpass design".Please expand on this...
DJ GaFFle
3:26 PM - 11 August, 2015
Please expand on this...
Here's an example of, in my opinion, a poor sounding bandpass design: www.musiciansfriend.com The Ksubs are great for under-table small events where the bass needs to be filler; however, for good dancefloor bass output, it falls way short.
And on the contrary, here's what appears to be a similar bandpass design to this Yamaha DXS18: www.mackie.com This classic sub knocked real hard but like most bandpass designs, was sort of one-note'ish and the front cabinet plate rattled as the screws became loose from resonating.
Bandpass subs utilize cabinet resonances to make the speaker more sensitive at a particular frequency band but this is at the expense of linearity (ie: one-note'ish)
Based on the specs of this new Yamaha (136dB peak), it appears to be beastly on the output. It's not overly light either so I bet this cabinet is sturdy. If it proves to be the beast its paper specs say it is, I'd easily recommend the Yamaha DXR-DSR/DXS combos to any DJ looking for a solid total solution.
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The one thing that scares me is the mention of "bandpass design".Please expand on this...
Here's an example of, in my opinion, a poor sounding bandpass design: www.musiciansfriend.com The Ksubs are great for under-table small events where the bass needs to be filler; however, for good dancefloor bass output, it falls way short.
And on the contrary, here's what appears to be a similar bandpass design to this Yamaha DXS18: www.mackie.com This classic sub knocked real hard but like most bandpass designs, was sort of one-note'ish and the front cabinet plate rattled as the screws became loose from resonating.
Bandpass subs utilize cabinet resonances to make the speaker more sensitive at a particular frequency band but this is at the expense of linearity (ie: one-note'ish)
Based on the specs of this new Yamaha (136dB peak), it appears to be beastly on the output. It's not overly light either so I bet this cabinet is sturdy. If it proves to be the beast its paper specs say it is, I'd easily recommend the Yamaha DXR-DSR/DXS combos to any DJ looking for a solid total solution.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
3:43 PM - 11 August, 2015
Interesting....
I always felt the best bass came from a folded horn design...if you have the real estate to carry it...
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Bandpass subs utilize cabinet resonances to make the speaker more sensitive at a particular frequency band but this is at the expense of linearity (ie: one-note'ish)Interesting....
I always felt the best bass came from a folded horn design...if you have the real estate to carry it...
DJ GaFFle
3:54 PM - 11 August, 2015
Interesting....
I always felt the best bass came from a folded horn design...if you have the real estate to carry it...
Those (bandpass vs. folded horn) subs are two different designs and people's idea of best bass is highly subjective.
I know you up-north cats, especially oldschool dudes, love CV x36's and Bertha type designs. Folded and other horn-type subs seem to project bass a lot farther than most other designs. Your typical bass-reflex (front-loaded / front-facing) subs have great thump/knock but usually don't project as far. I'm generalizing...
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Bandpass subs utilize cabinet resonances to make the speaker more sensitive at a particular frequency band but this is at the expense of linearity (ie: one-note'ish)Interesting....
I always felt the best bass came from a folded horn design...if you have the real estate to carry it...
Those (bandpass vs. folded horn) subs are two different designs and people's idea of best bass is highly subjective.
I know you up-north cats, especially oldschool dudes, love CV x36's and Bertha type designs. Folded and other horn-type subs seem to project bass a lot farther than most other designs. Your typical bass-reflex (front-loaded / front-facing) subs have great thump/knock but usually don't project as far. I'm generalizing...
DJ GaFFle
3:58 PM - 11 August, 2015
When I owned strictly front-loaded bass-reflex subs (QSC HPR181i's), I use to get irritated with patrons dancing all up on the subs just to fell and hear the bass. When they got up on the subs, their bodies seemed to suck up all the sound. I got my first Danley sub and they would dance at least 10 - 15ft. back and all the way to the end of the rooms. Bass is plentiful when the Danleys come a knockin' :-)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
4:00 PM - 11 August, 2015
This^^^ and you are exactly right.
I did the front firing jawns for that great thump/knock, but the folded horns seem to go lower, and just shake everything look.
Where are you from?
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I know you up-north cats, especially oldschool dudes, love CV x36's and Bertha type designs.This^^^ and you are exactly right.
I did the front firing jawns for that great thump/knock, but the folded horns seem to go lower, and just shake everything look.
Where are you from?
DJ GaFFle
4:02 PM - 11 August, 2015
Augusta, GA... Atlanta since '87. I'm a Hip-Hop head and I learn the history.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
4:03 PM - 11 August, 2015
Solid.
Know a few cats out that way....
Salute on your spread of PA knowledge.
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Augusta, GA... Atlanta since '87. I'm a Hip-Hop head and I learn the history.Solid.
Know a few cats out that way....
Salute on your spread of PA knowledge.
Joee
12:41 AM - 12 August, 2015
"Did Yamaha finally release a decent sub?" looks that way i'm sure a pair of dxs18 / dxr12 will be one killer system
but @ 110lbs not for me smaller lighter subs will defiantly be in my future as i just picked up a acura tlx
but @ 110lbs not for me smaller lighter subs will defiantly be in my future as i just picked up a acura tlx
DJ GaFFle
10:54 PM - 12 August, 2015
Damn... any chance to A/B it? Did you hear it at a GC or somewhere else?
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heard the dxs18 today that thing is a beastDamn... any chance to A/B it? Did you hear it at a GC or somewhere else?
Joee
10:56 PM - 12 August, 2015
Damn... any chance to A/B it? Did you hear it at a GC or somewhere else?
heard it in the yamaha booth @ dj expo
don't quote me just yet! but i think this thing will beat out the etx18sp it hits hard
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heard the dxs18 today that thing is a beastDamn... any chance to A/B it? Did you hear it at a GC or somewhere else?
heard it in the yamaha booth @ dj expo
don't quote me just yet! but i think this thing will beat out the etx18sp it hits hard
Joee
1:39 AM - 13 August, 2015
he told me street price was $1,100 witch means it can be had cheaper, not one single vender @ the expo gave me a better price than i can get my self
JDforKing
1:42 AM - 13 August, 2015
That's the street price for the Yamaha?
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he told me street price was $1,100 witch means it can be had cheaper, not one single vender @ the expo gave me a better price than i can get my selfThat's the street price for the Yamaha?
Mr.Jace
4:18 AM - 13 August, 2015
Nevermind, I just looked up the sub on the yamaha web site. This sub indeed looks nice.
desmorider
12:26 PM - 13 August, 2015
How did the dxs18 sound compared to the new rcf subs? Like fhe 8003mkii?
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heard the dxs18 today that thing is a beastHow did the dxs18 sound compared to the new rcf subs? Like fhe 8003mkii?
Joee
1:30 PM - 13 August, 2015
How did the dxs18 sound compared to the new rcf subs? Like fhe 8003mkii?
haven't heard the 8003 markII
from the what i heard…….i think the dxs18 will beat the etx18sp
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heard the dxs18 today that thing is a beastHow did the dxs18 sound compared to the new rcf subs? Like fhe 8003mkii?
haven't heard the 8003 markII
from the what i heard…….i think the dxs18 will beat the etx18sp
DJ GaFFle
5:09 PM - 13 August, 2015
How did the dxs18 sound compared to the new rcf subs? Like fhe 8003mkii?
haven't heard the 8003 markII
from the what i heard…….i think the dxs18 will beat the etx18sp
That's kind of saying a lot considering how loud the ETX18SP is. No way of truly knowing until these DSX's get out in the wild.
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heard the dxs18 today that thing is a beastHow did the dxs18 sound compared to the new rcf subs? Like fhe 8003mkii?
haven't heard the 8003 markII
from the what i heard…….i think the dxs18 will beat the etx18sp
That's kind of saying a lot considering how loud the ETX18SP is. No way of truly knowing until these DSX's get out in the wild.
Joee
5:13 PM - 13 August, 2015
agreed, thats why i said earlier "don't quote me just yet! but i think this thing will beat out the etx18sp it hits hard"
the few times i listened to the etx18sp it did not hit me in the chest the way the dxs18 did, think mini ls801p , the yamaha claims 136db
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That's kind of saying a lot considering how loud the ETX18SP is. No way of truly knowing until these DSX's get out in the wild.agreed, thats why i said earlier "don't quote me just yet! but i think this thing will beat out the etx18sp it hits hard"
the few times i listened to the etx18sp it did not hit me in the chest the way the dxs18 did, think mini ls801p , the yamaha claims 136db
desmorider
5:18 PM - 13 August, 2015
agreed, thats why i said earlier "don't quote me just yet! but i think this thing will beat out the etx18sp it hits hard"
the few times i listened to the etx18sp it did not hit me in the chest the way the dxs18 did, think mini ls801p , the yamaha claims 136db
How was the sound quality? Bandpass usually covers narrow freq range. Sort of one note wonders. Any of that going on?
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That's kind of saying a lot considering how loud the ETX18SP is. No way of truly knowing until these DSX's get out in the wild.agreed, thats why i said earlier "don't quote me just yet! but i think this thing will beat out the etx18sp it hits hard"
the few times i listened to the etx18sp it did not hit me in the chest the way the dxs18 did, think mini ls801p , the yamaha claims 136db
How was the sound quality? Bandpass usually covers narrow freq range. Sort of one note wonders. Any of that going on?
Joee
5:24 PM - 13 August, 2015
kind of hard to tell with all the other stuff going on @ the expo, but with all the different kids of music he put thru it……it sounded really good
side note the RCF sub 8006 sounded FREAKING phenomenal they had four on the floor @ the main stage & you could feel them as soon as you walked in the door of this room www.didibenamifansite.com
they did have some line array speakers along with what like like maybe 2 to 4 jbl subs on stage, but rcf was the main sub
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How was the sound quality? Bandpass usually covers narrow freq range. Sort of one note wonders. Any of that going on?kind of hard to tell with all the other stuff going on @ the expo, but with all the different kids of music he put thru it……it sounded really good
side note the RCF sub 8006 sounded FREAKING phenomenal they had four on the floor @ the main stage & you could feel them as soon as you walked in the door of this room www.didibenamifansite.com
they did have some line array speakers along with what like like maybe 2 to 4 jbl subs on stage, but rcf was the main sub
desmorider
6:13 PM - 13 August, 2015
kind of hard to tell with all the other stuff going on @ the expo, but with all the different kids of music he put thru it……it sounded really good
side note the RCF sub 8006 sounded FREAKING phenomenal they had four on the floor @ the main stage & you could feel them as soon as you walked in the door of this room www.didibenamifansite.com
they did have some line array speakers along with what like like maybe 2 to 4 jbl subs on stage, but rcf was the main sub
Man with the 8006 being that badass, i couldnt imagine the sub9007 dbl 21in.
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How was the sound quality? Bandpass usually covers narrow freq range. Sort of one note wonders. Any of that going on?kind of hard to tell with all the other stuff going on @ the expo, but with all the different kids of music he put thru it……it sounded really good
side note the RCF sub 8006 sounded FREAKING phenomenal they had four on the floor @ the main stage & you could feel them as soon as you walked in the door of this room www.didibenamifansite.com
they did have some line array speakers along with what like like maybe 2 to 4 jbl subs on stage, but rcf was the main sub
Man with the 8006 being that badass, i couldnt imagine the sub9007 dbl 21in.
youtu.be
DJ GaFFle
6:17 PM - 13 August, 2015
ourdjtalk.com
Dude says... "Yamaha had the same gear as last year with the exception that they brought the DSR line this year AND they had one of the most tempting new subs in their brand new DXS18. The sub is big and it hits hard .. in fact it was so good they have seemingly stopped selling the DSR118 sub since this was better performing .. it is BIG though."
Dude says... "Yamaha had the same gear as last year with the exception that they brought the DSR line this year AND they had one of the most tempting new subs in their brand new DXS18. The sub is big and it hits hard .. in fact it was so good they have seemingly stopped selling the DSR118 sub since this was better performing .. it is BIG though."
Joee
6:19 PM - 13 August, 2015
Dude says... "Yamaha had the same gear as last year with the exception that they brought the DSR line this year AND they had one of the most tempting new subs in their brand new DXS18. The sub is big and it hits hard .. in fact it was so good they have seemingly stopped selling the DSR118 sub since this was better performing .. it is BIG though."
they had the dsr lat year……but yea that dxs18 seems like a monster sub , it's heavy to ship might have to ship freight so i think the best price found might be 1k range
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ourdjtalk.comDude says... "Yamaha had the same gear as last year with the exception that they brought the DSR line this year AND they had one of the most tempting new subs in their brand new DXS18. The sub is big and it hits hard .. in fact it was so good they have seemingly stopped selling the DSR118 sub since this was better performing .. it is BIG though."
they had the dsr lat year……but yea that dxs18 seems like a monster sub , it's heavy to ship might have to ship freight so i think the best price found might be 1k range
dj jest jamm
8:55 PM - 13 August, 2015
The ETX 18p It reproduces frequencies from 28 Hz to 180 Hz, Well ass the YAMAHA response down to 32Hz...So with that being said the ETX gets lower.....BASSSSSSSSS
Rebelguy
9:00 PM - 13 August, 2015
I doubt you would be able to hear the 4Hz difference.
I am a little curious about the pricing as the MSRP is $1999. $1100 seems like a substantial discount for street price/
I am a little curious about the pricing as the MSRP is $1999. $1100 seems like a substantial discount for street price/
dj jest jamm
9:17 PM - 13 August, 2015
I am a little curious about the pricing as the MSRP is $1999. $1100 seems like a substantial discount for street price/
Well if it's a $1100 street price/ I would say u can get 2 for a gee...But why 110 pounds? They killing us with this weight..Who gonna make a 75 pound sub whit good sound?????
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I doubt you would be able to hear the 4Hz difference.I am a little curious about the pricing as the MSRP is $1999. $1100 seems like a substantial discount for street price/
Well if it's a $1100 street price/ I would say u can get 2 for a gee...But why 110 pounds? They killing us with this weight..Who gonna make a 75 pound sub whit good sound?????
Rebelguy
9:25 PM - 13 August, 2015
Well if it's a $1100 street price/ I would say u can get 2 for a gee...But why 110 pounds? They killing us with this weight..Who gonna make a 75 pound sub whit good sound?????
Possibly the additional plywood for the bandpass design.
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Well if it's a $1100 street price/ I would say u can get 2 for a gee...But why 110 pounds? They killing us with this weight..Who gonna make a 75 pound sub whit good sound?????
Possibly the additional plywood for the bandpass design.
DJ GaFFle
9:28 PM - 13 August, 2015
The EV 18 is really 33Hz - 150Hz.
SPECIFICATIONS
ETX-18SP 18" Powered Subwoofer
Frequency Range: 28 Hz - 180 Hz ←←← This is a -10dB response which is neglible overall.
Low Pass Frequency: Adjustable: 80 Hz, 100 Hz, 120 Hz, 150 Hz
Maximum SPL: 135 dB peak dB
Power Consumption: 100 - 240 V~, 50 - 60 Hz, 1.6 - 0.8 A
Power Rating: 1800 W
Frequency Response: 33 Hz - 150 Hz ←←← this is the +-3dB response which is what should really be considered on any speaker's response.
LF Transducer: DVX3180A 457 mm (18 in)
Connector Type: (2) XLR/TRS Combo Jack and (2) XLR link Output
Height: 550 mm (21.65")
Width: 675 mm (26.57")
Depth: 910 mm (35.83")
Weight Net: 51.8 kg (114.2 lbs)
Shipping Weight: 58.9 kg (129.85 lbs)
..... but you're sort of right because the Yamaha specs are worse from their website's specs. They don't go as low as we think.
SPECIFICATIONS
Yamaha DXS18
Frequency range (-10dB) 32Hz – 120Hz ←←← No mention of their +-3dB frequency response. I'm guessing it'll start at about 37Hz.
Moral of the story is the ETX18SP, most likely, goes a little lower but the DXS18 may be louder overall. Time will tell...
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The ETX 18p It reproduces frequencies from 28 Hz to 180 Hz, Well ass the YAMAHA response down to 32Hz...So with that being said the ETX gets lower.....BASSSSSSSSSThe EV 18 is really 33Hz - 150Hz.
SPECIFICATIONS
ETX-18SP 18" Powered Subwoofer
Frequency Range: 28 Hz - 180 Hz ←←← This is a -10dB response which is neglible overall.
Low Pass Frequency: Adjustable: 80 Hz, 100 Hz, 120 Hz, 150 Hz
Maximum SPL: 135 dB peak dB
Power Consumption: 100 - 240 V~, 50 - 60 Hz, 1.6 - 0.8 A
Power Rating: 1800 W
Frequency Response: 33 Hz - 150 Hz ←←← this is the +-3dB response which is what should really be considered on any speaker's response.
LF Transducer: DVX3180A 457 mm (18 in)
Connector Type: (2) XLR/TRS Combo Jack and (2) XLR link Output
Height: 550 mm (21.65")
Width: 675 mm (26.57")
Depth: 910 mm (35.83")
Weight Net: 51.8 kg (114.2 lbs)
Shipping Weight: 58.9 kg (129.85 lbs)
..... but you're sort of right because the Yamaha specs are worse from their website's specs. They don't go as low as we think.
SPECIFICATIONS
Yamaha DXS18
Frequency range (-10dB) 32Hz – 120Hz ←←← No mention of their +-3dB frequency response. I'm guessing it'll start at about 37Hz.
Moral of the story is the ETX18SP, most likely, goes a little lower but the DXS18 may be louder overall. Time will tell...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
9:57 PM - 13 August, 2015
How did the dxs18 sound compared to the new rcf subs? Like fhe 8003mkii?
haven't heard the 8003 markII
from the what i heard…….i think the dxs18 will beat the etx18sp
That's kind of saying a lot considering how loud the ETX18SP is. No way of truly knowing until these DSX's get out in the wild.
Told you, cats be guessin...lol
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heard the dxs18 today that thing is a beastHow did the dxs18 sound compared to the new rcf subs? Like fhe 8003mkii?
haven't heard the 8003 markII
from the what i heard…….i think the dxs18 will beat the etx18sp
That's kind of saying a lot considering how loud the ETX18SP is. No way of truly knowing until these DSX's get out in the wild.
Told you, cats be guessin...lol
Joee
10:55 PM - 13 August, 2015
says the cat that has no knowledge of powered speakers & just got his first pair in 2015..lmao
go sit in the corner & let the experienced powered speaker men talk
the dxs18 defiantly seems like it will have more output when compared side by side with the etx18sp
did you peep the thread i made of the qsc kw181 vs the rcf art 905-as? the rcf 15" defiantly held it's own with the 18" qsc the band pass design defiantly made up for the lack of 3"
yes! msrp is under $2,000
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Told you, cats be guessin...lolsays the cat that has no knowledge of powered speakers & just got his first pair in 2015..lmao
go sit in the corner & let the experienced powered speaker men talk
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Moral of the story is the ETX18SP, most likely, goes a little lower but the DXS18 may be louder overall. Time will tell...the dxs18 defiantly seems like it will have more output when compared side by side with the etx18sp
did you peep the thread i made of the qsc kw181 vs the rcf art 905-as? the rcf 15" defiantly held it's own with the 18" qsc the band pass design defiantly made up for the lack of 3"
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Can retailers really sell it for $1100 if the MSRP is that high?yes! msrp is under $2,000
dj jest jamm
11:05 PM - 13 August, 2015
says the cat that has no knowledge of powered speakers & just got his first pair in 2015..lmao
go sit in the corner & let the experienced powered speaker men talk
LMFAOOOO
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Told you, cats be guessin...lolsays the cat that has no knowledge of powered speakers & just got his first pair in 2015..lmao
go sit in the corner & let the experienced powered speaker men talk
LMFAOOOO
Joee
11:10 PM - 13 August, 2015
@ dj jest jamm aint it true tho? …..lmao………
what new upgrade did you get now my brotha, did you peep the new rcf? www.rcf.it
what new upgrade did you get now my brotha, did you peep the new rcf? www.rcf.it
dj jest jamm
11:30 PM - 13 August, 2015
what new upgrade did you get now my brotha, did you peep the new rcf? www.rcf.it
I was on the phone with Proaudio trying to price 2 RCF 8006 AS..But i couldn't think of what top would go with these MOFO'S...What u think?
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@ dj jest jamm aint it true tho? …..lmao………what new upgrade did you get now my brotha, did you peep the new rcf? www.rcf.it
I was on the phone with Proaudio trying to price 2 RCF 8006 AS..But i couldn't think of what top would go with these MOFO'S...What u think?
Joee
11:38 PM - 13 August, 2015
if you buying from PAS you need to get wit my peoples there he will take care of you
as for what top to go with the 8006, there a few rcf's that come to mind if your looking to get reasonably priced speaker than www.rcf.it a little more money www.rcf.it
but if you have some loot to spend the TT series might be for you www.rcf.it
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I was on the phone with Proaudio trying to price 2 RCF 8006 AS..But i couldn't think of what top would go with these MOFO'S...What u think?if you buying from PAS you need to get wit my peoples there he will take care of you
as for what top to go with the 8006, there a few rcf's that come to mind if your looking to get reasonably priced speaker than www.rcf.it a little more money www.rcf.it
but if you have some loot to spend the TT series might be for you www.rcf.it
DJ GaFFle
11:50 PM - 13 August, 2015
what new upgrade did you get now my brotha, did you peep the new rcf? www.rcf.it
I was on the phone with Proaudio trying to price 2 RCF 8006 AS..But i couldn't think of what top would go with these MOFO'S...What u think?
If you want to hear it live... go to the GC off of Druid Hills. They have one in the corner under some flown RCF HDL20A's. I believe it's the 8006AS... I know it's a dual 18" RCF powered.
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@ dj jest jamm aint it true tho? …..lmao………what new upgrade did you get now my brotha, did you peep the new rcf? www.rcf.it
I was on the phone with Proaudio trying to price 2 RCF 8006 AS..But i couldn't think of what top would go with these MOFO'S...What u think?
If you want to hear it live... go to the GC off of Druid Hills. They have one in the corner under some flown RCF HDL20A's. I believe it's the 8006AS... I know it's a dual 18" RCF powered.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
11:51 PM - 13 August, 2015
Man look, I ain't NEED no Powered speakers until now...
LMAO @ the dude who claims to be a PA SPECIALIST...
But doesn't use a OUTBOARD MIXER in his setup.....lmao.
Classic!
All you say is "This will PROBABLY beat this"...
lmao...
#NoSubstance
#Nobodybelievesyou
#ProfessionalGuesser
LMAO @ the dude who claims to be a PA SPECIALIST...
But doesn't use a OUTBOARD MIXER in his setup.....lmao.
Classic!
All you say is "This will PROBABLY beat this"...
lmao...
#NoSubstance
#Nobodybelievesyou
#ProfessionalGuesser
dj jest jamm
11:54 PM - 13 August, 2015
what new upgrade did you get now my brotha, did you peep the new rcf? www.rcf.it
I was on the phone with Proaudio trying to price 2 RCF 8006 AS..But i couldn't think of what top would go with these MOFO'S...What u think?
If you want to hear it live... go to the GC off of Druid Hills. They have one in the corner under some flown RCF HDL20A's. I believe it's the 8006AS... I know it's a dual 18" RCF powered.
I want line array
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@ dj jest jamm aint it true tho? …..lmao………what new upgrade did you get now my brotha, did you peep the new rcf? www.rcf.it
I was on the phone with Proaudio trying to price 2 RCF 8006 AS..But i couldn't think of what top would go with these MOFO'S...What u think?
If you want to hear it live... go to the GC off of Druid Hills. They have one in the corner under some flown RCF HDL20A's. I believe it's the 8006AS... I know it's a dual 18" RCF powered.
I want line array
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
11:56 PM - 13 August, 2015
Ha, ask Joee*, he can guess which one would be GREAT for you....lmao.
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I want line arrayHa, ask Joee*, he can guess which one would be GREAT for you....lmao.
Joee
11:57 PM - 13 August, 2015
say no more rcf has a few options for you
LMAO @ the dude who claims to be a PA SPECIALIST...
But doesn't use a OUTBOARD MIXER in his setup.....lmao.
Classic!
All you say is "This will PROBABLY beat this"...
lmao...
#NoSubstance
#Nobodybelievesyou
#ProfessionalGuesser
man didn't i tell you go sit in the corner while the experience powered speaker MEN talk! go brush the clothe interior of that FORD XLT
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I want line arraysay no more rcf has a few options for you
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Man look, I ain't NEED no Powered speakers until now...LMAO @ the dude who claims to be a PA SPECIALIST...
But doesn't use a OUTBOARD MIXER in his setup.....lmao.
Classic!
All you say is "This will PROBABLY beat this"...
lmao...
#NoSubstance
#Nobodybelievesyou
#ProfessionalGuesser
man didn't i tell you go sit in the corner while the experience powered speaker MEN talk! go brush the clothe interior of that FORD XLT
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
12:00 AM - 14 August, 2015
LMAO @ "Experienced Powered Speaker Men Talking", but you don't use an Outboard Mixer...
PURE COM-MO-DEE!
PURE COM-MO-DEE!
dj_soo
4:52 AM - 14 August, 2015
You don't really need an outboard mixer for these powered stuff these days. Most of this shit it pretty well tuned to work well if you match your tops and subs and include plenty of protection and power that an additional gain stage isn't really necessary unless you're using a few mics and want more control.
Doesn't hurt having that additional gain stage tho.
How big is the dxs18 compared to say the ls801p?
Doesn't hurt having that additional gain stage tho.
How big is the dxs18 compared to say the ls801p?
Joee
10:46 AM - 14 August, 2015
you sir sound like a experienced powered speaker user ;)
much smaller …..but sounds like a mini york
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You don't really need an outboard mixer for these powered stuff these days. Most of this shit it pretty well tuned to work well if you match your tops and subs and include plenty of protection and power that an additional gain stage isn't really necessary unless you're using a few mics and want more control.you sir sound like a experienced powered speaker user ;)
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How big is the dxs18 compared to say the ls801p?much smaller …..but sounds like a mini york
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
10:53 AM - 14 August, 2015
I have NOT seen a large professionally managed PA system without one yet.
Cats that are just trying to get in and out, yeah ok I get it, but cats that are serious?
Man look...
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You don't really need an outboard mixer for these powered stuff these days.I have NOT seen a large professionally managed PA system without one yet.
Cats that are just trying to get in and out, yeah ok I get it, but cats that are serious?
Man look...
dj_soo
11:32 AM - 14 August, 2015
we're not talking about a professional concert array. We're talking about powered gear for mobiles and weddings.
Professionally managed PAs are not going to be using prosumer midrange powered gear.
Professionally managed PAs are not going to be using prosumer midrange powered gear.
Joee
11:42 AM - 14 August, 2015
did i mention "you sir sound like a experienced powered speaker user ;)"
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
12:14 PM - 14 August, 2015
Professionally managed PAs are not going to be using prosumer midrange powered gear.
I didn't say an "array", I'm talking about a setup even like what Pdidy posted out in the part with 4 subs and 4 tops.
Did you not see that outboard mixer?
Are you saying with that type of setup one shouldn't be used?
You're talking about 2 powered speakers, I'm talking about adding subs and doing sound for a decently sized room, not a cocktail hour.
You think it's "ok" manage 2 subs and 2 tops with no outboard mixer?
Is that what you're saying?
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we're not talking about a professional concert array. We're talking about powered gear for mobiles and weddings.Professionally managed PAs are not going to be using prosumer midrange powered gear.
I didn't say an "array", I'm talking about a setup even like what Pdidy posted out in the part with 4 subs and 4 tops.
Did you not see that outboard mixer?
Are you saying with that type of setup one shouldn't be used?
You're talking about 2 powered speakers, I'm talking about adding subs and doing sound for a decently sized room, not a cocktail hour.
You think it's "ok" manage 2 subs and 2 tops with no outboard mixer?
Is that what you're saying?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
12:16 PM - 14 August, 2015
Hell, do yall think it's also "Ok" to manage the overall equalization of your skyline from the DJ mixer as well?
dj_soo
12:20 PM - 14 August, 2015
again, with powered matching gear, the crossover points are finely tuned enough that really, you don't need an outboard mixer. Even then, if I want to eq a room, I'd be using an EQ rack or processor like a driverack before using an outboard mixer.
I'm not saying you can't use one, I'm just saying it's really not that necessary with today's gear.
We're not mixing live bands here, we're playing pre-recorded music where the most important thing is having good gain staging.
I'm not saying you can't use one, I'm just saying it's really not that necessary with today's gear.
We're not mixing live bands here, we're playing pre-recorded music where the most important thing is having good gain staging.
Joee
12:26 PM - 14 August, 2015
you know……what you don't have! "experience" with powered speakers, when did you get your first pair? wasn't it like 3 months ago?
how many times have you used them now? are you now a powered speaker pro?
i won't front tho ,when i want to know about ancient gear thats no longer in production, you are defiantly the man……& i will seek your advice
how many times have you used them now? are you now a powered speaker pro?
i won't front tho ,when i want to know about ancient gear thats no longer in production, you are defiantly the man……& i will seek your advice
Joee
12:27 PM - 14 August, 2015
I'm not saying you can't use one, I'm just saying it's really not that necessary with today's gear.
We're not mixing live bands here, we're playing pre-recorded music where the most important thing is having good gain staging.
dude he just got his first pair of powered speakers this summer!
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again, with powered matching gear, the crossover points are finely tuned enough that really, you don't need an outboard mixer. Even then, if I want to eq a room, I'd be using an EQ rack or processor like a driverack before using an outboard mixer.I'm not saying you can't use one, I'm just saying it's really not that necessary with today's gear.
We're not mixing live bands here, we're playing pre-recorded music where the most important thing is having good gain staging.
dude he just got his first pair of powered speakers this summer!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
12:46 PM - 14 August, 2015
I'm not saying you can't use one, I'm just saying it's really not that necessary with today's gear.
We're not mixing live bands here, we're playing pre-recorded music where the most important thing is having good gain staging.
The most important thing with food gain staging is HEADROOM.
Everybody knows to get the MOST headroom and not overdrive your mixer, you add sound processing. That includes an EQ, driverack and or Outboard mixers.
You will NEVER have someone with a decent system NOT recommend outboard mixers, only cats that are lazy, depend on "matched" crossover points, or are simply ignorant of proper sound processing.
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again, with powered matching gear, the crossover points are finely tuned enough that really, you don't need an outboard mixer. Even then, if I want to eq a room, I'd be using an EQ rack or processor like a driverack before using an outboard mixer.I'm not saying you can't use one, I'm just saying it's really not that necessary with today's gear.
We're not mixing live bands here, we're playing pre-recorded music where the most important thing is having good gain staging.
The most important thing with food gain staging is HEADROOM.
Everybody knows to get the MOST headroom and not overdrive your mixer, you add sound processing. That includes an EQ, driverack and or Outboard mixers.
You will NEVER have someone with a decent system NOT recommend outboard mixers, only cats that are lazy, depend on "matched" crossover points, or are simply ignorant of proper sound processing.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
12:49 PM - 14 August, 2015
and here come the disclaimers.
"Matching" as in what? Brand name? Model? How many setups do you see with cross matched brands?
Dude just posted up Evox boxes and a Yahama setup at the same location.
Is that a "matched" system?
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again, with powered matching gear,"Matching" as in what? Brand name? Model? How many setups do you see with cross matched brands?
Dude just posted up Evox boxes and a Yahama setup at the same location.
Is that a "matched" system?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
12:52 PM - 14 August, 2015
And this has nothing to do with "Powered" or not, this has to do with the FUNDAMENTALS of PA sound.
Lol! @ cats thinking they're experts on sound because they no longer have to know about + or - polarities because they use Neutrix connectors.....lmao.
Lol! @ cats thinking they're experts on sound because they no longer have to know about + or - polarities because they use Neutrix connectors.....lmao.
dj_soo
12:56 PM - 14 August, 2015
sigh.
There is plenty of headroom in modern powered gear. That's why they have their own level controls on the speakers itself.
If you're overdriving your mixer or controller, then you don't have enough sound.
Again, we're not talking stacks of subs and tops - we're talking about midrange prosumer gear intended for use in small to medium size parties.
In those instances, you're not going to be hitting limiter levels generally and the only way you need that extra headroom is if you're running a low-output mixer or controller.
I don't disagree that you'll get better results with a processor or eq rack but the whole point of powered gear is convenience and it's designed in a way that you get good sound with minimal tuning because it's designed to work that way.
But *requiring* an outboard mixer? C'mon man - it's not necessary with modern gear.
If you want to lug racks of extra shit to your gigs for a nominal sound quality improvement for your wedding or barmitzva, then why even go with powered shit? Might as well just stick with the passive gear where you have more control over everything.
There is plenty of headroom in modern powered gear. That's why they have their own level controls on the speakers itself.
If you're overdriving your mixer or controller, then you don't have enough sound.
Again, we're not talking stacks of subs and tops - we're talking about midrange prosumer gear intended for use in small to medium size parties.
In those instances, you're not going to be hitting limiter levels generally and the only way you need that extra headroom is if you're running a low-output mixer or controller.
I don't disagree that you'll get better results with a processor or eq rack but the whole point of powered gear is convenience and it's designed in a way that you get good sound with minimal tuning because it's designed to work that way.
But *requiring* an outboard mixer? C'mon man - it's not necessary with modern gear.
If you want to lug racks of extra shit to your gigs for a nominal sound quality improvement for your wedding or barmitzva, then why even go with powered shit? Might as well just stick with the passive gear where you have more control over everything.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
12:57 PM - 14 August, 2015
Of course you would, cuz you still trying to impersonate a professional.
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you are defiantly the man……& i will seek your adviceOf course you would, cuz you still trying to impersonate a professional.
dj_soo
12:58 PM - 14 August, 2015
anyway whatever - agree to disagree. I'm not going to turn this into yet another derailed thread where someone needs to get the last word.
I only run a mixer and processor for my biggest gigs and I've never had anything but compliments for my sound.
I only run a mixer and processor for my biggest gigs and I've never had anything but compliments for my sound.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
1:01 PM - 14 August, 2015
There is plenty of headroom in modern powered gear. That's why they have their own level controls on the speakers itself.
If you're overdriving your mixer or controller, then you don't have enough sound.
Again, we're not talking stacks of subs and tops - we're talking about midrange prosumer gear intended for use in small to medium size parties.
In those instances, you're not going to be hitting limiter levels generally and the only way you need that extra headroom is if you're running a low-output mixer or controller.
I don't disagree that you'll get better results with a processor or eq rack but the whole point of powered gear is convenience and it's designed in a way that you get good sound with minimal tuning because it's designed to work that way.
But *requiring* an outboard mixer? C'mon man - it's not necessary with modern gear.
If you want to lug racks of extra shit to your gigs for a nominal sound quality improvement for your wedding or barmitzva, then why even go with powered shit? Might as well just stick with the passive gear where you have more control over everything.
You keep downgrading to a "wedding or bar mitzvah".
You got cats talking about "I'm about to buy 4000 worth of RCF stuff.
Should THEY be using an Outboard mixer?
Again, 4 tops, 4 subs. No outboard mixer required?
Is that what you're saying?
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sigh.There is plenty of headroom in modern powered gear. That's why they have their own level controls on the speakers itself.
If you're overdriving your mixer or controller, then you don't have enough sound.
Again, we're not talking stacks of subs and tops - we're talking about midrange prosumer gear intended for use in small to medium size parties.
In those instances, you're not going to be hitting limiter levels generally and the only way you need that extra headroom is if you're running a low-output mixer or controller.
I don't disagree that you'll get better results with a processor or eq rack but the whole point of powered gear is convenience and it's designed in a way that you get good sound with minimal tuning because it's designed to work that way.
But *requiring* an outboard mixer? C'mon man - it's not necessary with modern gear.
If you want to lug racks of extra shit to your gigs for a nominal sound quality improvement for your wedding or barmitzva, then why even go with powered shit? Might as well just stick with the passive gear where you have more control over everything.
You keep downgrading to a "wedding or bar mitzvah".
You got cats talking about "I'm about to buy 4000 worth of RCF stuff.
Should THEY be using an Outboard mixer?
Again, 4 tops, 4 subs. No outboard mixer required?
Is that what you're saying?
Joee
1:32 PM - 14 August, 2015
aren't those the symbols on a calculator? you mean my speakers have a positive and negative? all man i never knew that…….so what happens if i put the positive to the negatevie
does my speaker explode?
@dj_soo you running evox 8 also? i got a chance to demo the evox 12 this week @ the dj expo they sound really good
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Lol! @ cats thinking they're experts on sound because they no longer have to know about + or - polarities because they use Neutrix connectors.....lmao.aren't those the symbols on a calculator? you mean my speakers have a positive and negative? all man i never knew that…….so what happens if i put the positive to the negatevie
does my speaker explode?
@dj_soo you running evox 8 also? i got a chance to demo the evox 12 this week @ the dj expo they sound really good
Joee
1:35 PM - 14 August, 2015
naw man they didn't give me a better price than my guy, you know the guy you got your speakers from…….lmao
i'll just buy it from him when they come out……since they fit in the back seat of my new ride, no preorder / tax return necessary meng
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You got cats talking about "I'm about to buy 4000 worth of RCF stuff.naw man they didn't give me a better price than my guy, you know the guy you got your speakers from…….lmao
i'll just buy it from him when they come out……since they fit in the back seat of my new ride, no preorder / tax return necessary meng
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
1:39 PM - 14 August, 2015
Lmao @ "I'm buying 4000.00 of RCF speakers" then not buying it, and STILL not knowing enough to use an OUTBOARD mixer for it.
#Fraudulent
#Fraudulent
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
1:41 PM - 14 August, 2015
I only run a mixer and processor for my biggest gigs and I've never had anything but compliments for my sound.
What do you bring to your "Biggest Gigs"?
Just curious.
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anyway whatever - agree to disagree. I'm not going to turn this into yet another derailed thread where someone needs to get the last word.I only run a mixer and processor for my biggest gigs and I've never had anything but compliments for my sound.
What do you bring to your "Biggest Gigs"?
Just curious.
Joee
1:44 PM - 14 August, 2015
#Fraudulent
why exactly is the funny? if the person selling rcf @ the expo doesn't give me a cheaper price than my people
than why exactly would i buy @ the expo? you make absolutely no sense
o wait…. them emotions got a hold of you……LMAO
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Lmao @ "I'm buying 4000.00 of RCF speakers" then not buying it, and STILL not knowing enough to use an OUTBOARD mixer for it.#Fraudulent
why exactly is the funny? if the person selling rcf @ the expo doesn't give me a cheaper price than my people
than why exactly would i buy @ the expo? you make absolutely no sense
o wait…. them emotions got a hold of you……LMAO
desmorider
2:08 PM - 14 August, 2015
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The most important thing with food gain staging is HEADROOM.
Huh???????????????
The most important thing with food gain staging is HEADROOM.
Huh???????????????
Joee
2:09 PM - 14 August, 2015
The most important thing with food gain staging is HEADROOM.
Huh???????????????
if you want to gain weight you need a big head to shove all that food in
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[The most important thing with food gain staging is HEADROOM.
Huh???????????????
if you want to gain weight you need a big head to shove all that food in
desmorider
2:21 PM - 14 August, 2015
what new upgrade did you get now my brotha, did you peep the new rcf? www.rcf.it
I was on the phone with Proaudio trying to price 2 RCF 8006 AS..But i couldn't think of what top would go with these MOFO'S...What u think?
What up Dj Jest, I mean Dj upgrade. Why don't you just get those rcf 9007 subs and the hdl50a's?
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@ dj jest jamm aint it true tho? …..lmao………what new upgrade did you get now my brotha, did you peep the new rcf? www.rcf.it
I was on the phone with Proaudio trying to price 2 RCF 8006 AS..But i couldn't think of what top would go with these MOFO'S...What u think?
What up Dj Jest, I mean Dj upgrade. Why don't you just get those rcf 9007 subs and the hdl50a's?
Al Poulin
2:30 PM - 14 August, 2015
I use an outboard mixer, but pretty much have to since I am still using old school CD players / Minidisc players (and SD/USB players as well) as my music sources...
As for processing, there is indeed so much processing built into quality actives (by the speakers' engineers) that I don't see the need to add any more - for playback music applications anyway. If you're doing sound for a band, then certainly eqs, comps / limiters on mic channels and kick/snare etc. will be helpful in preventing loud peaks from gobbling up system headroom, but for playback, I don't see the need. Most outboard mixers have channel eqs and/or a master eq that can make the small adjustments required for more difficult rooms or older/poor recordings.
The more toys you plug in your signal chain, the more noise IMO. I like to keep it simple and today's powered speakers make it easier than ever to achieve terrific sound without needing to do/add much. Simply PAYING for top quality music files will make more of a difference than any magic BBE processor. :-)
Al
As for processing, there is indeed so much processing built into quality actives (by the speakers' engineers) that I don't see the need to add any more - for playback music applications anyway. If you're doing sound for a band, then certainly eqs, comps / limiters on mic channels and kick/snare etc. will be helpful in preventing loud peaks from gobbling up system headroom, but for playback, I don't see the need. Most outboard mixers have channel eqs and/or a master eq that can make the small adjustments required for more difficult rooms or older/poor recordings.
The more toys you plug in your signal chain, the more noise IMO. I like to keep it simple and today's powered speakers make it easier than ever to achieve terrific sound without needing to do/add much. Simply PAYING for top quality music files will make more of a difference than any magic BBE processor. :-)
Al
desmorider
2:32 PM - 14 August, 2015
I am a little curious about the pricing as the MSRP is $1999. $1100 seems like a substantial discount for street price/
Well if it's a $1100 street price/ I would say u can get 2 for a gee...But why 110 pounds? They killing us with this weight..Who gonna make a 75 pound sub whit good sound?????
Technology has got to change before we see lightweight subs like 75lbs making the sound of a 150lb sub. Like in racing, No replacement for displacement. Big, solid, heavy boxes, and good power have always made the most bass.
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I doubt you would be able to hear the 4Hz difference.I am a little curious about the pricing as the MSRP is $1999. $1100 seems like a substantial discount for street price/
Well if it's a $1100 street price/ I would say u can get 2 for a gee...But why 110 pounds? They killing us with this weight..Who gonna make a 75 pound sub whit good sound?????
Technology has got to change before we see lightweight subs like 75lbs making the sound of a 150lb sub. Like in racing, No replacement for displacement. Big, solid, heavy boxes, and good power have always made the most bass.
Joee
2:43 PM - 14 August, 2015
#lmao
you like my new acura tlx? it's black just like your ford xlt but i have leather & my evox 8's fit very nicely in the back seat……XLT…….lmao
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As for processing, there is indeed so much processing built into quality actives (by the speakers' engineers) that I don't see the need to add any more - for playback music applications anyway. If you're doing sound for a band, then certainly eqs, comps / limiters on mic channels and kick/snare etc. will be helpful in preventing loud peaks from gobbling up system headroom, but for playback, I don't see the need. Most outboard mixers have channel eqs and/or a master eq that can make the small adjustments required for more difficult rooms or older/poor recordings.
The more toys you plug in your signal chain, the more noise IMO. I like to keep it simple and today's powered speakers make it easier than ever to achieve terrific sound without needing to do/add much. Simply PAYING for top quality music files will make more of a difference than any magic BBE processor. :-)
Al
al JM just got his first pair of powered speakers this summer, he's a active speaker pro…listen to him, you could learn a thing or two
:p
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#Fraudulent#lmao
you like my new acura tlx? it's black just like your ford xlt but i have leather & my evox 8's fit very nicely in the back seat……XLT…….lmao
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I use an outboard mixer, but pretty much have to since I am still using old school CD players / Minidisc players (and SD/USB players as well) as my music sources...As for processing, there is indeed so much processing built into quality actives (by the speakers' engineers) that I don't see the need to add any more - for playback music applications anyway. If you're doing sound for a band, then certainly eqs, comps / limiters on mic channels and kick/snare etc. will be helpful in preventing loud peaks from gobbling up system headroom, but for playback, I don't see the need. Most outboard mixers have channel eqs and/or a master eq that can make the small adjustments required for more difficult rooms or older/poor recordings.
The more toys you plug in your signal chain, the more noise IMO. I like to keep it simple and today's powered speakers make it easier than ever to achieve terrific sound without needing to do/add much. Simply PAYING for top quality music files will make more of a difference than any magic BBE processor. :-)
Al
al JM just got his first pair of powered speakers this summer, he's a active speaker pro…listen to him, you could learn a thing or two
:p
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
3:27 PM - 14 August, 2015
The most important thing with food gain staging is HEADROOM.
Huh???????????????
Typo - should be " most important thing with gain staging is HEADROOM".
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[The most important thing with food gain staging is HEADROOM.
Huh???????????????
Typo - should be " most important thing with gain staging is HEADROOM".
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
3:31 PM - 14 August, 2015
Lmao, Nobody is clickin yo pics! Lmao!
Got EMMmMmM!
I knew you just HAD to post up something that nobody even asked about!
Lol! I made this dude buy and post up a car on HERE. For supposed "Proof"!
Where's that bank statement bruh?
lol! Cats wanna be like me.
Got EMMmMmM!
I knew you just HAD to post up something that nobody even asked about!
Lol! I made this dude buy and post up a car on HERE. For supposed "Proof"!
Where's that bank statement bruh?
lol! Cats wanna be like me.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
3:34 PM - 14 August, 2015
And Joee has GRANDKIDS lmao?
Oh and 4000 of imaginary RCF equipment he bragged about getting from the Expo, and "Poof"....
He changed his mind.
However women DO reserve that right😀
Oh and 4000 of imaginary RCF equipment he bragged about getting from the Expo, and "Poof"....
He changed his mind.
However women DO reserve that right😀
Joee
3:42 PM - 14 August, 2015
LMAO……..emotions
you made me buy a new car ……hahahahahahahaha O & you made sixxx take a vacation too…..hahahahahaa
did you make me buy my wife a new car to? did you get your wife that new furniture meng
hahahahahaha
come to phiily next month pray with the pope you just might get some of those "upscale" gigs your looking for…….the pope works miracles ……meng
you made me buy a new car ……hahahahahahahaha O & you made sixxx take a vacation too…..hahahahahaa
did you make me buy my wife a new car to? did you get your wife that new furniture meng
hahahahahaha
come to phiily next month pray with the pope you just might get some of those "upscale" gigs your looking for…….the pope works miracles ……meng
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
3:46 PM - 14 August, 2015
The ability to control ones emotions from across the Internet is Astounding.
Yep, like Sixxx said before, you are a wannabe DJJOHNNYM impersonator, from the way I type to the things I do.
Yep, like Sixxx said before, you are a wannabe DJJOHNNYM impersonator, from the way I type to the things I do.
Joee
3:54 PM - 14 August, 2015
Yep, like Sixxx said before, you are a wannabe DJJOHNNYM impersonator, from the way I type to the things I do.
reverse psychology doesn't work man
you get your emotions in check, i have no problem posting gear or a car pic even a receipt showing a deal i got
but to actually post my income tax return or bank account info ….who you think you fooling surly only yourself …….get those hormones in check MENG i say meng aka "man" loosely tho….hahaha
i heard about that mr cee citation on the forum "meng"
come see the pope in philly next month "meng" he can absolve you & maybe preform a miracle
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The ability to control ones emotions from across the Internet is Astounding.Yep, like Sixxx said before, you are a wannabe DJJOHNNYM impersonator, from the way I type to the things I do.
reverse psychology doesn't work man
you get your emotions in check, i have no problem posting gear or a car pic even a receipt showing a deal i got
but to actually post my income tax return or bank account info ….who you think you fooling surly only yourself …….get those hormones in check MENG i say meng aka "man" loosely tho….hahaha
i heard about that mr cee citation on the forum "meng"
come see the pope in philly next month "meng" he can absolve you & maybe preform a miracle
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
4:04 PM - 14 August, 2015
As for processing, there is indeed so much processing built into quality actives (by the speakers' engineers) that I don't see the need to add any more - for playback music applications anyway. If you're doing sound for a band, then certainly eqs, comps / limiters on mic channels and kick/snare etc. will be helpful in preventing loud peaks from gobbling up system headroom, but for playback, I don't see the need. Most outboard mixers have channel eqs and/or a master eq that can make the small adjustments required for more difficult rooms or older/poor recordings.
The more toys you plug in your signal chain, the more noise IMO. I like to keep it simple and today's powered speakers make it easier than ever to achieve terrific sound without needing to do/add much. Simply PAYING for top quality music files will make more of a difference than any magic BBE processor. :-)
Al
So if you have 4000.00 worth of RCF speakers, would you or would you NOT use an Outboard Mixer?
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I use an outboard mixer, but pretty much have to since I am still using old school CD players / Minidisc players (and SD/USB players as well) as my music sources...As for processing, there is indeed so much processing built into quality actives (by the speakers' engineers) that I don't see the need to add any more - for playback music applications anyway. If you're doing sound for a band, then certainly eqs, comps / limiters on mic channels and kick/snare etc. will be helpful in preventing loud peaks from gobbling up system headroom, but for playback, I don't see the need. Most outboard mixers have channel eqs and/or a master eq that can make the small adjustments required for more difficult rooms or older/poor recordings.
The more toys you plug in your signal chain, the more noise IMO. I like to keep it simple and today's powered speakers make it easier than ever to achieve terrific sound without needing to do/add much. Simply PAYING for top quality music files will make more of a difference than any magic BBE processor. :-)
Al
So if you have 4000.00 worth of RCF speakers, would you or would you NOT use an Outboard Mixer?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
4:05 PM - 14 August, 2015
And DJ Soo, what speakers do you bring to a "Big" function that you would do?
Rebelguy
4:13 PM - 14 August, 2015
So if you have 4000.00 worth of RCF speakers, would you or would you NOT use an Outboard Mixer?
$4000 worth of RCF speakers would probably get you two tops and a single sub depending on what series you are in (unless you get special Joee pricing). Pretty much what you would get from $4000 worth of EV or JBL.
If you are running a higher end mixer like a Rane 62 or DJM-900 then there is no need for an additional mixer being added to the signal chain unless you need more inputs then available or additional control in shaping the tone of your microphone. Running to external processing is a different topic.
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[So if you have 4000.00 worth of RCF speakers, would you or would you NOT use an Outboard Mixer?
$4000 worth of RCF speakers would probably get you two tops and a single sub depending on what series you are in (unless you get special Joee pricing). Pretty much what you would get from $4000 worth of EV or JBL.
If you are running a higher end mixer like a Rane 62 or DJM-900 then there is no need for an additional mixer being added to the signal chain unless you need more inputs then available or additional control in shaping the tone of your microphone. Running to external processing is a different topic.
Joee
4:15 PM - 14 August, 2015
defiantly i can get better than 2 evox 12's for $3,000
i just bought a new ride so i need the smaller evox 12, this will now be my bigger system with the 8 being the small setup
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$4000 worth of RCF speakers would probably get you two tops and a single sub depending on what series you are in (unless you get special Joee pricing). Pretty much what you would get from $4000 worth of EV or JBL.defiantly i can get better than 2 evox 12's for $3,000
i just bought a new ride so i need the smaller evox 12, this will now be my bigger system with the 8 being the small setup
Joee
4:16 PM - 14 August, 2015
i really like when the people that are in the know…….know…….lol
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If you are running a higher end mixer like a Rane 62i really like when the people that are in the know…….know…….lol
Al Poulin
4:23 PM - 14 August, 2015
So if you have 4000.00 worth of RCF speakers, would you or would you NOT use an Outboard Mixer?
Personally, I would - but if someone is able to achieve satifactory sound for their applications without using one, I don't see a problem.
Al
Personally, I would - but if someone is able to achieve satifactory sound for their applications without using one, I don't see a problem.
Al
Joee
4:26 PM - 14 August, 2015
Personally, I would - but if someone is able to achieve satifactory sound for their applications without using one, I don't see a problem.
Al
lmao @ some one trying to tell you how to run your system that just bought his first powered speakers in the year 2015…….hahahaha
al has so many powered speakers they need there own room in his house i seen them KV2 man…….i see you al…….lol
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So if you have 4000.00 worth of RCF speakers, would you or would you NOT use an Outboard Mixer?Personally, I would - but if someone is able to achieve satifactory sound for their applications without using one, I don't see a problem.
Al
lmao @ some one trying to tell you how to run your system that just bought his first powered speakers in the year 2015…….hahahaha
al has so many powered speakers they need there own room in his house i seen them KV2 man…….i see you al…….lol
Al Poulin
4:46 PM - 14 August, 2015
l
lmao @ some one trying to tell you how to run your system that just bought his first powered speakers in the year 2015…….hahahaha
al has so many powered speakers they need there own room in his house i seen them KV2 man…….i see you al…….lol
I even have some RCFs Joee :-)
lmao @ some one trying to tell you how to run your system that just bought his first powered speakers in the year 2015…….hahahaha
al has so many powered speakers they need there own room in his house i seen them KV2 man…….i see you al…….lol
I even have some RCFs Joee :-)
Joee
4:49 PM - 14 August, 2015
^ i see you hugging that 312, your holding it like it's your significant other, let me find out you two popped out your 310……lol
:P
:P
Al Poulin
4:52 PM - 14 August, 2015
It wasn't easy as it required me to take a swim in a cold pool in order to reduce the size of my male XLR, but we were happy with the end result. LOL
That is actually one of my 310As I am holding lovingly. :-)
Al
That is actually one of my 310As I am holding lovingly. :-)
Al
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
4:57 PM - 14 August, 2015
Personally, I would
Al
And that's EXACTLY what I wanted...
Your PROFESSIONAL PERSONAL opinion.
Thank you sir.
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Personally, I would
Al
And that's EXACTLY what I wanted...
Your PROFESSIONAL PERSONAL opinion.
Thank you sir.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
5:08 PM - 14 August, 2015
Lmao @ cats just learning about Gain Structure BECAUSE of the advent of Powered speakers.
Man, I've been Bridging Amps way before it became "User Friendly".
Lol @ Consumers trying to be Prosumers.
Man, I've been Bridging Amps way before it became "User Friendly".
Lol @ Consumers trying to be Prosumers.
Joee
5:10 PM - 14 August, 2015
whats that? did you have to hook up your amps on a bridge or something? was that you djing on the ben franklin bridge?
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Man, I've been Bridging Amps way before it became "User Friendly".whats that? did you have to hook up your amps on a bridge or something? was that you djing on the ben franklin bridge?
DJ Val-BKNY11203
7:58 PM - 14 August, 2015
whats that? did you have to hook up your amps on a bridge or something? was that you djing on the ben franklin bridge?
That was really weak. Stop.
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Man, I've been Bridging Amps way before it became "User Friendly".whats that? did you have to hook up your amps on a bridge or something? was that you djing on the ben franklin bridge?
That was really weak. Stop.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
8:01 PM - 14 August, 2015
whats that? did you have to hook up your amps on a bridge or something? was that you djing on the ben franklin bridge?
That was really weak. Stop.
DON'T TELL HIM NUFFIN! LOL...
Let him continue!
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Man, I've been Bridging Amps way before it became "User Friendly".whats that? did you have to hook up your amps on a bridge or something? was that you djing on the ben franklin bridge?
That was really weak. Stop.
DON'T TELL HIM NUFFIN! LOL...
Let him continue!
Joee
8:15 PM - 14 August, 2015
i wasn't trying to be funny…..it was meant to be, this guy actually thinks he's the only one that understands polarity ( + / - ) & bridging amps or power requirements etc
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That was really weak. Stop.i wasn't trying to be funny…..it was meant to be, this guy actually thinks he's the only one that understands polarity ( + / - ) & bridging amps or power requirements etc
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
9:33 PM - 14 August, 2015
Welp, you have THAT down pat!
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i wasn't trying to be funny…..Welp, you have THAT down pat!
djaction
1:03 AM - 15 August, 2015
+1 ETX'S have dsp out the ass.. anything added to the chain is most likely just going to downgrade your sound.
Speaking of outboard mixers.. out of curiosity what brand/models are you guys running?
A lesser quality mixer can easily introduce noise in the chain and reduce the sound quality.
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Lmfao yaw crazy outboard mixer not on my ET X'S Never..+1 ETX'S have dsp out the ass.. anything added to the chain is most likely just going to downgrade your sound.
Speaking of outboard mixers.. out of curiosity what brand/models are you guys running?
A lesser quality mixer can easily introduce noise in the chain and reduce the sound quality.
dj_soo
2:35 AM - 15 August, 2015
I only run a mixer if I need multiple mics or are running multiple setups (like a 2x4). Even then, I don't touch the eqs - easier to get a good balance using the onboard volumes on the speakers and just use the mixer to attentuate.
I'll bring out my driverack if I use more than 2 subs or if I'm running more of a proper dance party where I need to fill the room with sound rather than simply looking for volume direct on the dancefloor. Which I'll then use to cut room resonance with the eq and a bit of limiting. Otherwise, I've been able to easily achieve great sound using the on board processing in my powered speakers.
Joee- I wish I could grab a pair of evox8s, but they are $2200 apiece here in Canada and simply not worth the investment at that price.
I'll bring out my driverack if I use more than 2 subs or if I'm running more of a proper dance party where I need to fill the room with sound rather than simply looking for volume direct on the dancefloor. Which I'll then use to cut room resonance with the eq and a bit of limiting. Otherwise, I've been able to easily achieve great sound using the on board processing in my powered speakers.
Joee- I wish I could grab a pair of evox8s, but they are $2200 apiece here in Canada and simply not worth the investment at that price.
Rebelguy
8:06 AM - 15 August, 2015
Soundcraft MFXi8
QSC Touchmix 8
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Speaking of outboard mixers.. out of curiosity what brand/models are you guys running?Soundcraft MFXi8
QSC Touchmix 8
Joee
12:08 PM - 15 August, 2015
@dj jest jamm / djaction / dj_soo
you guy are doing it wrong you absolutely positively MUST use a outboard mixer!
:p
you don't own evox's? why was "sound doctor 101" saying you used yamaha with evox? did you post pics? or is he making things up again?
"DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:49 AM - 14 August, 2015
Quote: Dude just posted up Evox boxes and a Yahama setup at the same location.
Is that a "matched" system?"
he be lying
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Lmfao yaw crazy outboard mixer not on my ET X'S Never..Quote:
+1 ETX'S have dsp out the ass.. anything added to the chain is most likely just going to downgrade your sound.Quote:
I only run a mixer if I need multiple mics or are running multiple setups (like a 2x4). Even then, I don't touch the eqs - easier to get a good balance using the onboard volumes on the speakers and just use the mixer to attentuate.@dj jest jamm / djaction / dj_soo
you guy are doing it wrong you absolutely positively MUST use a outboard mixer!
:p
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Joee- I wish I could grab a pair of evox8s, but they are $2200 apiece here in Canada and simply not worth the investment at that price.you don't own evox's? why was "sound doctor 101" saying you used yamaha with evox? did you post pics? or is he making things up again?
"DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:49 AM - 14 August, 2015
Quote: Dude just posted up Evox boxes and a Yahama setup at the same location.
Is that a "matched" system?"
he be lying
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
12:48 PM - 15 August, 2015
I'll bring out my driverack if I use more than 2 subs or if I'm running more of a proper dance party where I need to fill the room with sound rather than simply looking for volume direct on the dancefloor. Which I'll then use to cut room resonance with the eq and a bit of limiting. Otherwise, I've been able to easily achieve great sound using the on board processing in my powered speakers.
Ok, thank you for the info.
As you can see, the point is that you're not hardly running an Array or anything close to it, but you'd still bring out an Outboard Mixer.
I personally would not be using the "Onboard Volumes" on the speakers to adjust the volumes of the event, rather just set the mixer at the best overall volume it should be at - leave it - set the speakers to the best overall volumes they should be at - leave them, leave all the EQ's on the mixer flat, and adjust the sound via the Outboard Mixer and / or EQ's / Processors.
We all know what we SHOULD be doing to get the best sound.
Some of us are DJ's at heart who take explicit care to insure what the sound should be.
Others are Salesmen who give away lights for free, want the quickest setup/breakdown possible, and are more interested in smoke and mirrors vs. substance.
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I only run a mixer if I need multiple mics or are running multiple setups (like a 2x4). Even then, I don't touch the eqs - easier to get a good balance using the onboard volumes on the speakers and just use the mixer to attentuate.I'll bring out my driverack if I use more than 2 subs or if I'm running more of a proper dance party where I need to fill the room with sound rather than simply looking for volume direct on the dancefloor. Which I'll then use to cut room resonance with the eq and a bit of limiting. Otherwise, I've been able to easily achieve great sound using the on board processing in my powered speakers.
Ok, thank you for the info.
As you can see, the point is that you're not hardly running an Array or anything close to it, but you'd still bring out an Outboard Mixer.
I personally would not be using the "Onboard Volumes" on the speakers to adjust the volumes of the event, rather just set the mixer at the best overall volume it should be at - leave it - set the speakers to the best overall volumes they should be at - leave them, leave all the EQ's on the mixer flat, and adjust the sound via the Outboard Mixer and / or EQ's / Processors.
We all know what we SHOULD be doing to get the best sound.
Some of us are DJ's at heart who take explicit care to insure what the sound should be.
Others are Salesmen who give away lights for free, want the quickest setup/breakdown possible, and are more interested in smoke and mirrors vs. substance.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
12:56 PM - 15 August, 2015
"DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:49 AM - 14 August, 2015
Quote: Dude just posted up Evox boxes and a Yahama setup at the same location.
Is that a "matched" system?"
he be lying
And this dude be STUPID as usual.
I wasn't talking about Al, you RCF reject, I was talking about the vid that Ivmez put up...
lmao @ you still leaking...
Lol. You are guys are funny. Always trying to find something to nit pick about.
Yes it was 1500 guest walking in and out of this particular ballroom. There was a gala prior to this in another room with all 1500 guest. This was the after party on the same floor.
Yes we had subs. We had a Yorkville set up as well. Evox8's were set up in from of stage and Yorkvilles to the side.
Silly azz rabbit.
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you don't own evox's? why was "sound doctor 101" saying you used yamaha with evox? did you post pics? or is he making things up again?"DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:49 AM - 14 August, 2015
Quote: Dude just posted up Evox boxes and a Yahama setup at the same location.
Is that a "matched" system?"
he be lying
And this dude be STUPID as usual.
I wasn't talking about Al, you RCF reject, I was talking about the vid that Ivmez put up...
lmao @ you still leaking...
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lvmez 9:30 AM - 12 August, 2015Lol. You are guys are funny. Always trying to find something to nit pick about.
Yes it was 1500 guest walking in and out of this particular ballroom. There was a gala prior to this in another room with all 1500 guest. This was the after party on the same floor.
Yes we had subs. We had a Yorkville set up as well. Evox8's were set up in from of stage and Yorkvilles to the side.
Silly azz rabbit.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
12:56 PM - 15 August, 2015
hahahahaha
LMAO @ you STILL leaking...
Hey, since you were an expert on those PADS, why aren't you using them?
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lol….she wakes up emotionalhahahahaha
LMAO @ you STILL leaking...
Hey, since you were an expert on those PADS, why aren't you using them?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
12:59 PM - 15 August, 2015
your right there….. i did put them up about three years ago…thats a fact
So you admit YOU'RE not a REAL DJ, per admission of your OWN mission statement?
Well at LEAST for the last 3 years?
LMAO
LMAO.
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lmao - Bruh you don't use no Turntables.....lmao.your right there….. i did put them up about three years ago…thats a fact
So you admit YOU'RE not a REAL DJ, per admission of your OWN mission statement?
Well at LEAST for the last 3 years?
LMAO
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real dj's don't push buttons! We spin recordsLMAO.
Joee
1:09 PM - 15 August, 2015
I wasn't talking about Al, you RCF reject, I was talking about the vid that Ivmez put up...
lmao @ you still leaking...
hahahahaha she is so emotional this lovely morning
sure you were johnny ….you be lying so much that you can't even keep up with your own lies
"dj_soo 8:20 AM - 14 August, 2015
again, with powered matching gear"
"DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:49 AM - 14 August, 2015
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again, with powered matching gear,
and here come the disclaimers.
"Matching" as in what? Brand name? Model? How many setups do you see with cross matched brands?
Dude just posted up Evox boxes and a Yahama setup at the same location.
Is that a "matched" system?"
you were actually talking to dj_soo, but you lie so much you can't keep up with the lies & you were talking about yamaha ……..not yorkvile … …witch…...ivmez …owns
like i said you be lying!
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And this dude be STUPID as usual.I wasn't talking about Al, you RCF reject, I was talking about the vid that Ivmez put up...
lmao @ you still leaking...
hahahahaha she is so emotional this lovely morning
sure you were johnny ….you be lying so much that you can't even keep up with your own lies
"dj_soo 8:20 AM - 14 August, 2015
again, with powered matching gear"
"DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:49 AM - 14 August, 2015
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again, with powered matching gear,
and here come the disclaimers.
"Matching" as in what? Brand name? Model? How many setups do you see with cross matched brands?
Dude just posted up Evox boxes and a Yahama setup at the same location.
Is that a "matched" system?"
you were actually talking to dj_soo, but you lie so much you can't keep up with the lies & you were talking about yamaha ……..not yorkvile … …witch…...ivmez …owns
like i said you be lying!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
4:30 PM - 15 August, 2015
Yo, you need to clean up the leaks in yo new car...lmao.
Them pads ain't working...
You too dumb to see what I actually POSTED..
Them pads ain't working...
You too dumb to see what I actually POSTED..
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
4:34 PM - 15 August, 2015
I posted
Maybe your lack of comprehension needed the word
in front if it?
So it would read
You're too stupid to remember the CONVERSATION held 2 days prior?
Errybody else remembered....
lol.
Yeah, you're leaking profusely...
You should plug that up....
#Mr.Iuseturntables
lmao - Hole' up ain't you from PHILLY?
smh....
Prolly don't even eat Cheese Steaks...
#Fraudulent...
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Dude just posted up Evox boxes and a Yahama setup at the same locationMaybe your lack of comprehension needed the word
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Didn'tSo it would read
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Didn't Dude just post up Evox boxes and a Yahama setup at the same location?You're too stupid to remember the CONVERSATION held 2 days prior?
Errybody else remembered....
lol.
Yeah, you're leaking profusely...
You should plug that up....
#Mr.Iuseturntables
lmao - Hole' up ain't you from PHILLY?
smh....
Prolly don't even eat Cheese Steaks...
#Fraudulent...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
4:34 PM - 15 August, 2015
your right there….. i did put them up about three years ago…thats a fact
So you admit YOU'RE not a REAL DJ, per admission of your OWN mission statement?
Well at LEAST for the last 3 years?
LMAO
LMAO.
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lmao - Bruh you don't use no Turntables.....lmao.your right there….. i did put them up about three years ago…thats a fact
So you admit YOU'RE not a REAL DJ, per admission of your OWN mission statement?
Well at LEAST for the last 3 years?
LMAO
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real dj's don't push buttons! We spin recordsLMAO.
Joee
6:21 PM - 15 August, 2015
stop lying & get those emotions in check
"stupid"
calling people names over the internet shows just how mad you are .hahahahaahahahahahaha
FYI, i just came from steve's prince of steaks had i nice cheese steak & cheese fry's ,as usual you be lying
your so emotional you should have been born a girl, no wonder you were all up in c's busniess
"stupid"
calling people names over the internet shows just how mad you are .hahahahaahahahahahaha
FYI, i just came from steve's prince of steaks had i nice cheese steak & cheese fry's ,as usual you be lying
your so emotional you should have been born a girl, no wonder you were all up in c's busniess
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
6:53 PM - 15 August, 2015
lol, dude you ARE born a GURL....lmao.
But hey, like I said, y'all reserve the right to change your minds....lmao.
#Badpadday
But hey, like I said, y'all reserve the right to change your minds....lmao.
#Badpadday
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
6:54 PM - 15 August, 2015
FRIES NOT FRY'S
lmao...cats STILL Makin' Up Sh*t....lmao.
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cheese steak & cheese fry'sFRIES NOT FRY'S
lmao...cats STILL Makin' Up Sh*t....lmao.
Joee
6:59 PM - 15 August, 2015
i'm actually on my why out the door to buy some pads now, waxing pads to wax my new acura & maybe some leather conditioning wipes for my interior ……
#XLT
#ClothInterior
hahahaha
#XLT
#ClothInterior
hahahaha
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
7:06 PM - 15 August, 2015
/End Thread.....
lmao.
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i'm actually on my why out the door to buy some pads now,/End Thread.....
lmao.
dj_soo
9:10 PM - 15 August, 2015
I'll bring out my driverack if I use more than 2 subs or if I'm running more of a proper dance party where I need to fill the room with sound rather than simply looking for volume direct on the dancefloor. Which I'll then use to cut room resonance with the eq and a bit of limiting. Otherwise, I've been able to easily achieve great sound using the on board processing in my powered speakers.
Ok, thank you for the info.
As you can see, the point is that you're not hardly running an Array or anything close to it, but you'd still bring out an Outboard Mixer.
I personally would not be using the "Onboard Volumes" on the speakers to adjust the volumes of the event, rather just set the mixer at the best overall volume it should be at - leave it - set the speakers to the best overall volumes they should be at - leave them, leave all the EQ's on the mixer flat, and adjust the sound via the Outboard Mixer and / or EQ's / Processors.
We all know what we SHOULD be doing to get the best sound.
Some of us are DJ's at heart who take explicit care to insure what the sound should be.
Others are Salesmen who give away lights for free, want the quickest setup/breakdown possible, and are more interested in smoke and mirrors vs. substance.
Yea, see I don't bring an outboard mixer for anything related to sound quality - I bring it for things like mic eq control and multiple setups. For room eq, I bring a processor and that really depends on the size of the room and type of party. I'm not doing anything different with or without a mixer - the mixer just adds something to the chain. I find my max level, tune the levels of my tops and bottoms til they sound balanced at high levels, and then turn my master on my controller/Dj mixer down, note the maximum volume, and use that to attenuate. With a mixer I do the same thing but just add a gain stage. I don't see a point using a mixer to eq when I've got controls on my speakers that are finely tuned specifically for that box rather than a mixer which isn't.
Never had a complaint about sound (other than maybe turn it down lol) when I'm not using my driverack.
Imo, I don't think a mixer is necessary at all outside of convenience (as opposed to requiring one as you seem to think).
A processor on the other hand can help - especially when using mixed tops and bottoms - but you're talking about a mixer - not a rack.
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I only run a mixer if I need multiple mics or are running multiple setups (like a 2x4). Even then, I don't touch the eqs - easier to get a good balance using the onboard volumes on the speakers and just use the mixer to attentuate.I'll bring out my driverack if I use more than 2 subs or if I'm running more of a proper dance party where I need to fill the room with sound rather than simply looking for volume direct on the dancefloor. Which I'll then use to cut room resonance with the eq and a bit of limiting. Otherwise, I've been able to easily achieve great sound using the on board processing in my powered speakers.
Ok, thank you for the info.
As you can see, the point is that you're not hardly running an Array or anything close to it, but you'd still bring out an Outboard Mixer.
I personally would not be using the "Onboard Volumes" on the speakers to adjust the volumes of the event, rather just set the mixer at the best overall volume it should be at - leave it - set the speakers to the best overall volumes they should be at - leave them, leave all the EQ's on the mixer flat, and adjust the sound via the Outboard Mixer and / or EQ's / Processors.
We all know what we SHOULD be doing to get the best sound.
Some of us are DJ's at heart who take explicit care to insure what the sound should be.
Others are Salesmen who give away lights for free, want the quickest setup/breakdown possible, and are more interested in smoke and mirrors vs. substance.
Yea, see I don't bring an outboard mixer for anything related to sound quality - I bring it for things like mic eq control and multiple setups. For room eq, I bring a processor and that really depends on the size of the room and type of party. I'm not doing anything different with or without a mixer - the mixer just adds something to the chain. I find my max level, tune the levels of my tops and bottoms til they sound balanced at high levels, and then turn my master on my controller/Dj mixer down, note the maximum volume, and use that to attenuate. With a mixer I do the same thing but just add a gain stage. I don't see a point using a mixer to eq when I've got controls on my speakers that are finely tuned specifically for that box rather than a mixer which isn't.
Never had a complaint about sound (other than maybe turn it down lol) when I'm not using my driverack.
Imo, I don't think a mixer is necessary at all outside of convenience (as opposed to requiring one as you seem to think).
A processor on the other hand can help - especially when using mixed tops and bottoms - but you're talking about a mixer - not a rack.
dj_soo
9:15 PM - 15 August, 2015
Dunno - I'm using yamahas or qscs over yorkvilles.
Not the best out there, but I've got it dialed either using my driverack or just using the sub's lpf controls and the boost.
I wish I could get some evox8s. My subs aren't huge, but 50lbs a box for a sub/top combo with rcf sound for my sub-200 person gigs sounds like a godsend.
I rarely do parties bigger than 300 people anyway...
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you don't own evox's? why was "sound doctor 101" saying you used yamaha with evox? did you post pics? or is he making things up again?Dunno - I'm using yamahas or qscs over yorkvilles.
Not the best out there, but I've got it dialed either using my driverack or just using the sub's lpf controls and the boost.
I wish I could get some evox8s. My subs aren't huge, but 50lbs a box for a sub/top combo with rcf sound for my sub-200 person gigs sounds like a godsend.
I rarely do parties bigger than 300 people anyway...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
11:11 PM - 15 August, 2015
We both know that's probably not going to happen, but I digress.
Ok, agree to disagree.
Salute.
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Never had a complaint about sound (other than maybe turn it down lol) when I'm not using my driverack.We both know that's probably not going to happen, but I digress.
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Imo, I don't think a mixer is necessary at all outside of convenience (as opposed to requiring one as you seem to think).Ok, agree to disagree.
Salute.
Al Poulin
1:53 AM - 16 August, 2015
Dear Joee and JohnnyM, while reading your many, many back and forth comments earlier, I was reminded of this funny Seinfeld clip :
Watchwww.youtube.com
Al
Watchwww.youtube.com
Al
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
3:55 PM - 16 August, 2015
Well let's see, you're worried about another DJ's income -
Joee 11:29 AM - 19 January, 2014 or maybe said dj doesn't generate enough income with said speakers to afford him a well due upgrade
And then I post up the PROOF, that you don't know what you're talking about, you - LIKE A FEMALE, change your mind....lmao.
And LMAO @ getting mad at the evidence to shut you up....when you question it in the first place.
CLASSIC.
This sums it up right here -
lmao.
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Joee 11:29 AM - 19 January, 2014 or maybe said dj doesn't generate enough income with said speakers to afford him a well due upgrade
And then I post up the PROOF, that you don't know what you're talking about, you - LIKE A FEMALE, change your mind....lmao.
And LMAO @ getting mad at the evidence to shut you up....when you question it in the first place.
CLASSIC.
This sums it up right here -
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Counting another mans bread is kinda weak... And then ridiculing him for how much he did or didn't make is even weaker.lmao.
Joee
4:01 PM - 16 August, 2015
like i said i could book you a gig take a cut & you would still make more money than you do on your regular gigs
hahahahaha
hahahahaha
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
4:19 PM - 16 August, 2015
hahahahaha
And I STILL make more than you Mr.200K in the bank....lmao.
#Nobodybelievesyou
#Desparatelytryingtopostreceipts
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like i said i could book you a gig take a cut & you would still make more money than you do on your regular gigshahahahaha
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Counting another mans bread is kinda weak... And then ridiculing him for how much he did or didn't make is even weaker.And I STILL make more than you Mr.200K in the bank....lmao.
#Nobodybelievesyou
#Desparatelytryingtopostreceipts
Joee
4:30 PM - 16 August, 2015
#LowLevelDj
#LowLevelGigs
#FirstPairOfPoweredSpeakers2015
hahahahaha
#LowLevelGigs
#FirstPairOfPoweredSpeakers2015
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like i said i could book you a gig take a cut & you would still make more money than you do on your regular gigshahahahaha
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
4:33 PM - 16 August, 2015
LMAO @ "LowLevel"...
DIDN'T I CALL YOU THAT?
lol!
Plus you aren't even a REAL DJ by your OWN words...
LMAOOOOOO.....@ your OWN words.....you right tho....
DIDN'T I CALL YOU THAT?
lol!
Plus you aren't even a REAL DJ by your OWN words...
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your right there….. i did put them up about three years ago…thats a factLMAOOOOOO.....@ your OWN words.....you right tho....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
5:22 PM - 16 August, 2015
#PureGold
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Plus you aren't even a REAL DJ by your OWN words...#PureGold
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
7:05 PM - 16 August, 2015
#PureGold
Your own werds haunt you...
lmao...
You can't make this up!
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Plus you aren't even a REAL DJ by your OWN words...#PureGold
Your own werds haunt you...
lmao...
You can't make this up!
Joee
7:32 PM - 16 August, 2015
#YouRopinionDoesn'tMater
hahahahaha
#Truth
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like i said i could book you a gig take a cut & you would still make more money than you do on your regular gigshahahahaha
#Truth
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
2:35 AM - 17 August, 2015
You aren't even a REAL DJ by your OWN words...
LMAOOOOOO.....@ your OWN words.....you right tho....
#TRUTH
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real dj's don't push buttons! We spin recordsQuote:
your right there….. i did put them up about three years ago…thats a factLMAOOOOOO.....@ your OWN words.....you right tho....
#TRUTH
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3
5:56 PM - 17 August, 2015
I just cant'....lmao.
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But....it's his OWN WORDS....lol..I just cant'....lmao.
dj jest jamm
5:44 PM - 20 August, 2015
Or a Holiday Inn :-)
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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U two need a inbox lolOr a Holiday Inn :-)
Duri
10:44 PM - 20 August, 2015
Watchwww.youtube.com
Al
I love it. Very funny. Good one.
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Dear Joee and JohnnyM, while reading your many, many back and forth comments earlier, I was reminded of this funny Seinfeld clip :Watchwww.youtube.com
Al
I love it. Very funny. Good one.
dj jest jamm
11:11 PM - 20 August, 2015
Watchwww.youtube.com
Al
I love it. Very funny. Good one.
LMFAOOOOOOO SO TRUE
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Dear Joee and JohnnyM, while reading your many, many back and forth comments earlier, I was reminded of this funny Seinfeld clip :Watchwww.youtube.com
Al
I love it. Very funny. Good one.
LMFAOOOOOOO SO TRUE
Asu
12:26 PM - 28 August, 2015
It's lighter and louder on paper than the EV ETX 18SP.
i'm more concerned about this spec Dynamic:1020W / Continuous: 800W.
you'd think 1600 W dynamic would have been a better choice for real-world use.
May run out of steam early meaning you need 4 to keep up with two DXR tops.
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Not at 110lbs.It's lighter and louder on paper than the EV ETX 18SP.
i'm more concerned about this spec Dynamic:1020W / Continuous: 800W.
you'd think 1600 W dynamic would have been a better choice for real-world use.
May run out of steam early meaning you need 4 to keep up with two DXR tops.
Joee
12:54 PM - 28 August, 2015
It's lighter and louder on paper than the EV ETX 18SP.
i'm more concerned about this spec Dynamic:1020W / Continuous: 800W.
you'd think 1600 W dynamic would have been a better choice for real-world use.
May run out of steam early meaning you need 4 to keep up with two DXR tops.
didn't' notice that…..good find
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Not at 110lbs.It's lighter and louder on paper than the EV ETX 18SP.
i'm more concerned about this spec Dynamic:1020W / Continuous: 800W.
you'd think 1600 W dynamic would have been a better choice for real-world use.
May run out of steam early meaning you need 4 to keep up with two DXR tops.
didn't' notice that…..good find
Asu
1:12 PM - 28 August, 2015
But maybe it's very very efficient...don't know.
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didn't' notice that…..good findBut maybe it's very very efficient...don't know.
Asu
2:17 AM - 30 August, 2015
I hope so too,but looking at the other subs in that line,it may not be...very puzzling
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It could just be a typo.I hope so too,but looking at the other subs in that line,it may not be...very puzzling
desmorider
10:53 PM - 21 September, 2015
Some info on the dxs18. Looks like a big cabinet. Should start shipping mid october.
Watchwww.youtube.com
Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ GaFFle
12:00 AM - 22 September, 2015
Watchwww.youtube.com
That dual-sub stack looks MEAN at 3:55!
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Some info on the dxs18. Looks like a big cabinet. Should start shipping mid october.Watchwww.youtube.com
That dual-sub stack looks MEAN at 3:55!
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