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New pioneer mixer DJM S9

AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 5:49 PM - 5 August, 2015
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This looks like the mixer of my dreams.
Thoughts anyone?
Tommy Deem 6:33 PM - 5 August, 2015
Hopefully everyone else can see what i see xD
Davideon 8:12 PM - 5 August, 2015
I've left better looking deposits in the toilet
DJ Duben De Fresh 12:44 AM - 6 August, 2015
But if this is for Serato... why Pioneer is teasing us with rekordbox on this unit? i don't understand.... Will work with both platforms???
deejdave 3:19 AM - 6 August, 2015
I know Pioneer is teasing the DJM-S9 and Pioneer is teasing Rekordbox DJ at the same time. Was there a video I missed were they were shown together?
Henry GQ 3:32 AM - 6 August, 2015
pioneer is eventually going to blow serato out of the water.. look at what they have done so far, its onyl a matter of a few yers tiol pioneer takes over the whole game
Sam GG 7:14 AM - 6 August, 2015
Hey Guys,

For all the info on the Pioneer DJM-S9 have a read here: serato.com

Serato DJ support forthcoming :)
DJ Tecniq 9:49 AM - 6 August, 2015
Highly doubt this mixer's crossfader can be used for serato video. I could be wrong but it sure would increase sales in the vj relm if so.
DJ Tecniq 9:53 AM - 6 August, 2015
^ wow never mind it is fully midi compatible from what I read so this is quite a contender against the new rane mixers. Interesting👌🏻
RIDDIMNBLUES 2:52 PM - 6 August, 2015
Any body have more info on the magvel fadder this mixer comes with compared to rane's and also i notice this mixer has 32bit converters for the sound card i believe rane's is 24bit not sure..
djcaba 3:29 PM - 6 August, 2015
I wonder what the estimated MSRP will be... $1200 to $1400 sounds reasonable!

Hopefully this will replace my rane61 + sp1 setup...

I just wonder about functionality of the loop rolls, sampler, flip, etc....

I can't tell right now, but are there dedicated browse and load knobs/buttons for the left/right deck?
Konix 3:41 PM - 6 August, 2015
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I can't tell right now, but are there dedicated browse and load knobs/buttons for the left/right deck?


Yes, the knobs in the upper left and right.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 5:32 PM - 6 August, 2015
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Any body have more info on the magvel fadder this mixer comes with compared to rane's.

Only what I've read on pioneer website, but the fader looks very interesting. There are end stop buffers made from various materials that you can swap to give the feel you want and also a tension adjustment as well as the usual curve. Not sure if you can adjust cut in tho? I use an Innofader in an old Vestax but have used Rane. I prefer the innofader.
J.J. 5:38 PM - 6 August, 2015
Are the upfaders also Magvel?
DJ Tecniq 5:39 PM - 6 August, 2015
Here's the problem I have. If issues start to occur with serato Dj you are stuck with it. So not so sure I want to sell my SL3 as of yet. But they really should make these mixers compatible for use with Scratchlive in case things do happen. Cause it's a $2,000 dollar mixer bundled with SDJ so you're just stuck with it till the bugs are resolved👎🏻
Djaward 5:52 PM - 6 August, 2015
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Here's the problem I have. If issues start to occur with serato Dj you are stuck with it. So not so sure I want to sell my SL3 as of yet. But they really should make these mixers compatible for use with Scratchlive in case things do happen. Cause it's a $2,000 dollar mixer bundled with SDJ so you're just stuck with it till the bugs are resolved👎🏻


What do you mean you are stuck with it?

You need to let go of SSL, thats the past. Besides, Serato Dj works just fine.

What I suggest you do is play/practice with your new toy at home before taking it out on a gig.

Never use your new toy for the first time at a gig.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 5:55 PM - 6 August, 2015
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Here's the problem I have. If issues start to occur with serato Dj you are stuck with it. So not so sure I want to sell my SL3 as of yet. But they really should make these mixers compatible for use with Scratchlive in case things do happen. Cause it's a $2,000 dollar mixer bundled with SDJ so you're just stuck with it till the bugs are resolved👎🏻


What do you mean you are stuck with it?

You need to let go of SSL, thats the past. Besides, Serato Dj works just fine.

What I suggest you do is play/practice with your new toy at home before taking it out on a gig.

Never use your new toy for the first time at a gig.

Beat me to it +1
Lightning 5:56 PM - 6 August, 2015
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Here's the problem I have. If issues start to occur with serato Dj you are stuck with it. So not so sure I want to sell my SL3 as of yet. But they really should make these mixers compatible for use with Scratchlive in case things do happen. Cause it's a $2,000 dollar mixer bundled with SDJ so you're just stuck with it till the bugs are resolved👎🏻


I mean if you have a mixer that works as a standalone mixer what more of a backup up do you need other than records, usb, or cds???

It does also work with rekordbox if you have a hard time navigating away from the laptop.
djcaba 6:07 PM - 6 August, 2015
Where'd you find the mentioned "$2000" price tag?
Maybe I missed it somewhere...

If that really is the price, I think I'll start saving for the DJM-S10 (DJM-SX sounds legit)
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 6:09 PM - 6 August, 2015
I have a Vestax VCI 380 and was desperate for the DVS upgrade so I could use it as my mixer along with all its functions.
Pioneer have basically delivered that mixer right here!!!
Jason S 6:12 PM - 6 August, 2015
I was about to choose between the 57mk2 (I currently use a 57 mk 1) and a Rane 62 but this is at least £200 less than the 57 and has decent effects controls and can handle 4 decks! The quality should be good if up to Pioneer standard and if the xfader is as good as the Rane it's got to be a steal at £1300!!??
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 6:14 PM - 6 August, 2015
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Where'd you find the mentioned "$2000" price tag?
Maybe I missed it somewhere...

If that really is the price, I think I'll start saving for the DJM-S10 (DJM-SX sounds legit)

I've just had price confirmed at £1299 in the Uk
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 6:14 PM - 6 August, 2015
Just take my money now
DJ dVO 6:18 PM - 6 August, 2015
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I have a Vestax VCI 380 and was desperate for the DVS upgrade so I could use it as my mixer along with all its functions.
Pioneer have basically delivered that mixer right here!!!


In the ideal world: VCI-380 + DVS would be perfect for many.

Youl will soon realize, just as I did after picking up the AMX/AFX, that the platters on the VCI 380, in your workflow, is an important element. DJM S9, while address your DVS shortfall, it does not address the "platters" shortfall.

This mixer is strictly for scratch DJs.
djcaba 6:21 PM - 6 August, 2015
I wonder how long it takes for scratchers to wear out the rubber on the crossfader 😶
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 6:21 PM - 6 August, 2015
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This mixer is strictly for scratch DJs.


Praise the Pioneer for that
Djaward 6:31 PM - 6 August, 2015
By releasing this mixer, Pioneer is keeping Turntablism alive and I love it.

Was about to purchase a 62, now I will wait.
djcaba 6:31 PM - 6 August, 2015
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I wonder how long it takes for scratchers to wear out the rubber on the crossfader 😶


Can we eventually put an innofader?
Warranty on the crossfader?
Replacement cost for the crossfader?
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 6:35 PM - 6 August, 2015
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I wonder how long it takes for scratchers to wear out the rubber on the crossfader 😶


Can we eventually put an innofader?
Warranty on the crossfader?
Replacement cost for the crossfader?

Great questions
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 6:38 PM - 6 August, 2015
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By releasing this mixer, Pioneer is keeping Turntablism alive and I love it.

Was about to purchase a 62, now I will wait.

I must admit I was worried when Vestax went under. Could this be the start of something with pioneer? I really hope so.
boabmatic 7:43 PM - 6 August, 2015
I can't see anywhere if all the faders are the same or only the cross fader has the new mag fader

It's really those pads that are turning heads and the lower price compared to rane 62/57

The 4 deck control is nice to have but not sure how much I'd use it if at all
Djaward 7:50 PM - 6 August, 2015
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I can't see anywhere if all the faders are the same or only the cross fader has the new mag fader

It's really those pads that are turning heads and the lower price compared to rane 62/57

The 4 deck control is nice to have but not sure how much I'd use it if at all

Dont forget all 8 cue points now available. The 62 only has 5, to some, thats a big deal.

The party Im digging ( and Im keeping my fingers crossed with this one) is the fact that I probably wont need a controller to use with this mixer.
Ragman 8:09 PM - 6 August, 2015
This mixer and my 2 Denon SC3900s will be boss.
dibb 8:11 PM - 6 August, 2015
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Any body have more info on the magvel fadder this mixer comes with compared to rane's and also i notice this mixer has 32bit converters for the sound card i believe rane's is 24bit not sure..


The Pioneer product page says it has a 24bit soundcard. I think there is a typo on the Serato site.

www.pioneerdj.com
Sam GG 9:46 PM - 6 August, 2015
Hey djcaba

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Can we eventually put an innofader?
Warranty on the crossfader?
Replacement cost for the crossfader?


I would get in touch with Pioneer for answers to these questions. Also its best to hit them up to determine if all of the faders are magvel or just the crossfader.

Cheers, Sam
Jamie W 10:08 PM - 6 August, 2015
Hey Guys,

Just a heads up.
Crossfader and Upfaders will work with Serato Video :)


Thanks
Jamie
nik39 10:55 PM - 6 August, 2015
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Are the upfaders also Magvel?

I highly doubt that.
The competition has magnetic faders as cross and upfaders.
J.J. 11:39 PM - 6 August, 2015
I was thinking the same thing nik39. 62 upfaders are magnetic.

I don't like it when they only concentrate on the crossfader.
djcaba 12:12 AM - 7 August, 2015
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Where'd you find the mentioned "$2000" price tag?
Maybe I missed it somewhere...

If that really is the price, I think I'll start saving for the DJM-S10 (DJM-SX sounds legit)


So according to DJ Tech Tools, we're talking about 1700 USD + tax...
With mu current setup, I'm prolly just gonna wait for the ddj sp2 or save up for the djm-sx lol
RIDDIMNBLUES 4:32 AM - 7 August, 2015
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Any body have more info on the magvel fadder this mixer comes with compared to rane's and also i notice this mixer has 32bit converters for the sound card i believe rane's is 24bit not sure..


The Pioneer product page says it has a 24bit soundcard. I think there is a typo on the Serato site.

www.pioneerdj.com


I read 32bit somewhere but pioneer never gives precise details on their sound cards i found out the hard way with the ddj sx...the 62 is loud an punchy as hell and plenty of headroom
DJ Demolition 1:01 PM - 7 August, 2015
I really like this new mixer. However, I think there's still plenty of room for improvement. If I had designed it for my own needs, it would look more like this: www.flickr.com

I like my mixing controls close to the faders, where I can find them quickly, without hunting, or actually having to look at the mixer it's self.

For my turntables, I'm currently using my Twitch as the mixer, coupled with VDJ8. It's a very similar setup to the S9, except I have the option of DJing with the tables, the Twitch, or both. The best of both worlds, you might say.
Ragman 5:17 PM - 7 August, 2015
DD - That's just a url to the main flickr home page.
DJ Tecniq 5:19 PM - 7 August, 2015
Any 57mk II users here that would pick this Pioneer over Rane? And why?
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 5:31 PM - 7 August, 2015
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Any 57mk II users here that would pick this Pioneer over Rane? And why?

Let me think

Price
4 decks
8 hot cues
Effects
Magvel Cross fader


Stop me if I'm boring you?
DJ Demolition 5:50 PM - 7 August, 2015
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DD - That's just a url to the main flickr home page.

Weird... Let's try again: www.flickr.com
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 5:57 PM - 7 August, 2015
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DD - That's just a url to the main flickr home page.

Weird... Let's try again: www.flickr.com

Too much around the crossfader. Other than that, can I buy one now please
DJ Demolition 6:55 PM - 7 August, 2015
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Too much around the crossfader. Other than that, can I buy one now please

Well, I think I left plenty of room. But someone else said the same thing, so I made a compromise: www.flickr.com
DJ Tecniq 7:00 PM - 7 August, 2015
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Too much around the crossfader. Other than that, can I buy one now please

Well, I think I left plenty of room. But someone else said the same thing, so I made a compromise: www.flickr.com
Would never have the eq's in that area they should always be up top.
DJ Tecniq 7:01 PM - 7 August, 2015
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Any 57mk II users here that would pick this Pioneer over Rane? And why?

Let me think

Price
4 decks
8 hot cues
Effects
Magvel Cross fader


Stop me if I'm boring you?
Does the 57MK II not have fx?
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 7:07 PM - 7 August, 2015
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Any 57mk II users here that would pick this Pioneer over Rane? And why?

Let me think

Price
4 decks
8 hot cues
Effects
Magvel Cross fader


Stop me if I'm boring you?
Does the 57MK II not have fx?


Additional on board pioneer effects was what I was referring to, sorry, should have been more specific.
TBF I don't think if you already have a 57MK II, you will be in the market for one of these.
AMO (Sonicbreaks UK) 7:08 PM - 7 August, 2015
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Too much around the crossfader. Other than that, can I buy one now please

Well, I think I left plenty of room. But someone else said the same thing, so I made a compromise: www.flickr.com

Take my money now lol
DJ Demolition 9:28 PM - 7 August, 2015
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Would never have the eq's in that area they should always be up top.

Why? Because every other mixer you've seen was made that way? Then I take it you don't know how to mix with the EQs.

Why have it scattered from the top to bottom, when you could just stay focused on the one area. I think maybe you're tied to convention and haven't thought it out.
DJ Compiler 11:31 PM - 7 August, 2015
The reason EQ knobs have always been placed where they are is for clear communication of signal flow. Every channel flows top to bottom and then moves to wherever the master section is. This allows for easier trouble shooting since you just start from the top and move down until you see your problem.

The placement in theory makes them easier to work with in theory but with convention having conditioned us to look for EQ at the top the performance improvements would be marginal at best.

Don't get me wrong, your design is definitely interesting and creative and its obvious to see it allows for more functionality to be packed in. But there is rhyme and reason to why things have always been placed where they are and in my opinion they should stay there.

To each his own though.
Henry GQ 1:10 AM - 8 August, 2015
it would be nice if they took a 4 channel body and only had two channels on there, that way theres plenty of room for extra featrues and shit isnt sooo cramped, i wonder if they will drop a four channel version of this.. if so it migth be game over for rane. but we will see..
nik39 1:12 AM - 8 August, 2015
So can anyone explain how you can mix four channels at the same time with this two channel mixers? And I really mean at the same time...
DJ Compiler 1:26 AM - 8 August, 2015
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So can anyone explain how you can mix four channels at the same time with this two channel mixers? And I really mean at the same time...


I would assume that there's soft takeover on the faders and EQ Controls. If Pioneer is smart they'd also have switching the input toggle the appropriate decks between INT and REL so that you can control all four decks with just two TTs much like an all in one control does with its layering system.

Of course this is all just guess work. Cant known for sure until Pioneer releases a manual or more information
Dj Ace 1:39 AM - 8 August, 2015
Initially I was blown away by the s9, but the more I thought about it I actually realized I have everything I need already...it just a new shiny toy but rand 62 is still a beast and to get full use in serato dj with either mixer you still need a sp1
DJ Demolition 1:44 AM - 8 August, 2015
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The reason EQ knobs have always been placed where they are is for clear communication of signal flow. Every channel flows top to bottom and then moves to wherever the master section is. This allows for easier trouble shooting since you just start from the top and move down until you see your problem.

On a four channel mixer this is true, and I agree. Things would get cluttered and confusing in a hurry, especially when you throw in a couple of mike channels too.

However, with a no nonsense two channel like this, my way (IMO) is much more practical and efficient. I (and some other DJs have a bad habit of adjusting trim volume/EQ for a track, and then forgetting to set it back to normal when loading the next track. Having it right there in your face, either eliminates the problem, or at least makes it easy and quick to resolve the problem, when this happens. It also makes EQ mixing an piece of cake.

When you consider that there's a whole effects section, plus all the cue pads in between, they're just too far away as is. I think Pioneer may have designed it this way so that they can introduce a big brother four channel companion offering later, if this thing sells well.
Ragman 5:31 AM - 8 August, 2015
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The reason EQ knobs have always been placed where they are is for clear communication of signal flow. Every channel flows top to bottom and then moves to wherever the master section is. This allows for easier trouble shooting since you just start from the top and move down until you see your problem.

On a four channel mixer this is true, and I agree. Things would get cluttered and confusing in a hurry, especially when you throw in a couple of mike channels too.

However, with a no nonsense two channel like this, my way (IMO) is much more practical and efficient. I (and some other DJs have a bad habit of adjusting trim volume/EQ for a track, and then forgetting to set it back to normal when loading the next track. Having it right there in your face, either eliminates the problem, or at least makes it easy and quick to resolve the problem, when this happens. It also makes EQ mixing an piece of cake.

When you consider that there's a whole effects section, plus all the cue pads in between, they're just too far away as is. I think Pioneer may have designed it this way so that they can introduce a big brother four channel companion offering later, if this thing sells well.

I think the most important thing to remember is this particular 2-channel BATTLE mixer is being aimed squarely at the turntablist. Hence why Jazzy Jeff, QBert, Beat Junkies etc are all over the marketing. And scratch DJs like a clutter free scratch zone. Pioneer is taking advantage of two opportunities in the pro turntablist market: 1) The end of the Technics 1200s line = PLX 1000 T/T. 2) The end of the Vestax battle mixer line= DJM S9. If you look at the S9 closely, 50% has a Vestax battle mixer workflow. And they made sure it's being featured with the PLX 1000 in the promo ad.
DJ Tecniq 5:33 AM - 8 August, 2015
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Would never have the eq's in that area they should always be up top.

Why? Because every other mixer you've seen was made that way? Then I take it you don't know how to mix with the EQs.

Why have it scattered from the top to bottom, when you could just stay focused on the one area. I think maybe you're tied to convention and haven't thought it out.
I'm just old school I wasn't hating I just never used a mixer with eq's by the fader channels imo it's way too much in on area but if ppl dig that then that's fine
DJ Demolition 1:41 PM - 8 August, 2015
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I think the most important thing to remember is this particular 2-channel BATTLE mixer is being aimed squarely at the turntablist.

Yes, I do think you have a point, and of course I had considered that. After all, scratch/hip-hop DJs don't generally have the time or patience for twiddling with adjustments to tone, etc, anyway. In fact, for some people, they could have probably just left that whole section off...

I was just saying that if I had designed it for myself. it would have turned out more like my modified illustration. This mixer kind of reminds me of Itch... It's just what you absolutely need, and no more. So I was thinking to myself... what if I rearranged this a little to make things more convenient and flow more quickly, then added a display to the now vacant area up top, so I wouldn't have to look at my laptop again?

At that point, I just went ahead and made the mods so I could see how it would really look. This is pie in the sky, naturally... it'll never happen. I just wanted to share my thoughts with the rest of you.
05spoof 1:46 PM - 8 August, 2015
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Too much around the crossfader. Other than that, can I buy one now please

Well, I think I left plenty of room. But someone else said the same thing, so I made a compromise: www.flickr.com

Not many if any battle/hiphop/scratch/turntablist DJ's would be willing to use something like that.

For something like that, why not just find a used MP22 and run and SL box?
DJ Demolition 2:00 PM - 8 August, 2015
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I just never used a mixer with eq's by the fader channels imo it's way too much in on area but if ppl dig that then that's fine

I used to have a mixer with three crossfaders. You could fade the highs, vocals, and bass, separately, move them all at once, and do regular crossfades, or just use the upfaders to mix. it had the rotary EQs just to the outsides of the crossfaders for the two channels, and I could make some mind-bending mixes with that unit back in the day.

It wasn't make very well and wore out very quickly (was already used when I got it), but I loved the intuitive concept, and always wanted another mixer with a similar layout. If you haven't ever tried it, you just wouldn't understand. Of course, if you were a scratch DJ, you wouldn't care anyway...
DJ Demolition 2:11 PM - 8 August, 2015
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Not many if any battle/hiphop/scratch/turntablist DJ's would be willing to use something like that.

Obviously.

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For something like that, why not just find a used MP22 and run and SL box?


Too wide

Too many EQs

No cue pads

No effects

No library/load functionality

I could easily go on...
05spoof 2:47 PM - 8 August, 2015
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Not many if any battle/hiphop/scratch/turntablist DJ's would be willing to use something like that.

Obviously.

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For something like that, why not just find a used MP22 and run and SL box?


Too wide

Too many EQs

No cue pads

No effects

No library/load functionality

I could easily go on...


If you don't know how to mod, knows the time to learn. Unless of course the mixoligist style of DJing ends up becoming the next marketing thing. It's time for you to define the next wave of DJing and be the Q-bert or Jazzy Jeff of the mixology world and get the sheep itching to DJ just like you...DO IT!....DOOOO ITTTT!

I'm being silly so don't take it personal. But that's the only real way your ever going to get what you want in this game.
DJ Demolition 7:39 PM - 8 August, 2015
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I'm being silly so don't take it personal. But that's the only real way your ever going to get what you want in this game.

None taken... however, I don't have a clue what you are trying to say.

Anyway... I'm not trying to be famous. I've been DJing for 45 years, and at this point, I've pretty much seen and done it all. I'm certainly not trying to make a name for myself at this late date. LOL, I could almost care less, what the world thinks about me.
DJ Demolition 9:53 PM - 8 August, 2015
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I think the most important thing to remember is this particular 2-channel BATTLE mixer is being aimed squarely at the turntablist.

Yeah, obviously you are right. But I really don't care what Pioneer is aiming for. I'm worried about what I want... I also know there are other TT DJs out there like me, that don't care about winning a DMC championship.

But they (and I) would appreciate an elegant solution to having to set up a dozen different pieces of equipment for every show, and having to stare at a laptop half the time they are performing. No matter how hip you try to look, you still look like a nerd, with that laptop being the center of your attention.

Something like I'm proposing here, would solve all those issues, and allow us to really clean up our act.
deejdave 11:51 PM - 8 August, 2015
I think the top priority of a hardware developer would be to make money. The best way to go about this would be to offer what the majority would want. I never say being like the herd is the answer but in this sense numbers are what matter most.

Many have come to the realization that no matter what the hardware offers the laptop is still the most effective input device connecting the human to the library. By removing this from the laptop and placing it on a smaller screen on the mixer you are now simply taking the focus from the laptop and placing it on the mixer. It is NOT the laptop that is the problem it is the focus being taken from the crowd. IMO the laptop is the fastest solution to choose music unless you are playing from a set playlist obviously. You are also taking one of the strong points of this mixer away from it. If you look at many of the above comparisons the price is almost always thrown in there. Add these screens and trust that you blow that out of the water. Again I am no stranger of spending some serious cash on my DJ gear but it has to be in the right direction for me.

Lastly I mean no offense by this but we have heard you speak highly of those Stanton players and we both know how well they did. While I am by no means judging you or even saying you are wrong what I am saying is perhaps your idea of DJ gear is just different than the standard and not exactly what others are looking for. Simple as that. Again does not make you wrong as it is what would work for you. Just understand it works both ways and calling the masses "wrong", "Nerds" or even "afraid of change" is perhaps a reach at best. Being more open to change than most I am never afraid of being a very early adopter of every bit of DJ gear I can get my hands on yet I still tend to stick with what works best for me. In the end I'd have to say perhaps I am the dumb one as I end up in the same spot as most here yet took a more expensive road to get there LOL.

Anyways hope you get my point and maybe this will shed some light as to why most don't get on board with your ideas. While I am not in favor of this one I do think it has its place and could potentially spark some ideas. Nice work as usual though. Still a fan of your GUI ideas you spun up about a year or so ago.
DJ Tecniq 12:07 AM - 9 August, 2015
Way I see it I could sell my 700, SL3 and dicers I could cover the rest of the cost. I have already seen numerous videos of this in effect. I just love the simplicity of it all. Never selling my tables but def need a mixer upgrade👌🏻
deejdave 12:10 AM - 9 August, 2015
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Way I see it I could sell my 700, SL3 and dicers

Hell yeah!! I would absolutely do it. The same capabilities and more right into the unit. Someone above said they have more features using the SP1 and the 62 or TTM57II etc. but I can't think of anything (crucial or fun) that setup CAN do that this CAN'T yet I CAN think of things this CAN do that the SP1/62 setup CAN'T. VERY effective upgrade for you tecniq IMO.
hologram 4:26 AM - 9 August, 2015
This was coming for the the turntabilist.
I wouldn't be surprised to see a something closer to the 900 or 2000 coming right behind this.
deejdave 4:36 AM - 9 August, 2015
Absolutely agree. As an electronic DJ this is the dilemma I am facing aka the reason I have the 64 and got rid of the 62's furthermore the reason I never got the original 909.
DylanVE 7:27 AM - 9 August, 2015
Few questions I still have:

1. There is only one set of pad mode buttons, does that mean that you can't have cue points active on one channel, with the slicer active on the other? What if you hit the slicer loop? Does that mean it'll become active on both channels?

2. What are the shift "Bank A" and "Bank B" buttons referring to?

Would have been great to have Keylock, Quantize, and Slip Mode accessible from the mixer, oh well can't have everything.
Ragman 3:17 PM - 9 August, 2015
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I think the most important thing to remember is this particular 2-channel BATTLE mixer is being aimed squarely at the turntablist.

Yes, I do think you have a point, and of course I had considered that. After all, scratch/hip-hop DJs don't generally have the time or patience for twiddling with adjustments to tone, etc, anyway. In fact, for some people, they could have probably just left that whole section off...

I was just saying that if I had designed it for myself. it would have turned out more like my modified illustration. This mixer kind of reminds me of Itch... It's just what you absolutely need, and no more. So I was thinking to myself... what if I rearranged this a little to make things more convenient and flow more quickly, then added a display to the now vacant area up top, so I wouldn't have to look at my laptop again?

At that point, I just went ahead and made the mods so I could see how it would really look. This is pie in the sky, naturally... it'll never happen. I just wanted to share my thoughts with the rest of you.

I should have also added "don't get wrong, your rendition is pretty badass as it tends to cater to a larger pool of DJs". ;-)
deejdave 3:26 PM - 9 August, 2015
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1. There is only one set of pad mode buttons, does that mean that you can't have cue points active on one channel, with the slicer active on the other? What if you hit the slicer loop? Does that mean it'll become active on both channels?

2. What are the shift "Bank A" and "Bank B" buttons referring to?

One set of pad mode buttons means it affects both sets at the same time.

Shift Bank A & Shift Bank B tends to mean they will be mappable alternate "pages" on this mixer so maybe it is generic midi when in this mode in which case SDJ may see it in the midi panel
Mick Swell 6:17 PM - 9 August, 2015
This mixer seems like the dream. I am selling my Rane 62, dicers, and ddj sp1. The djm S9 just seems to have everything I have been wanting. A turntablist/party rocking mixer with all of the serato dj functionality at your finger tips. No need to have extra controllers and try to fit them into your setup, stretch across and hit pads. It's just clean. On top of that you get pioneer effects and the FILTERS. In my opinion nothing comes close to the Pioneer filters. And a lot of people complain about serato dj, but I've done numerous gigs and it worked perfectly.
deejdave 6:36 PM - 9 August, 2015
Truth be told though if you visit the Traktor forums you will find people complaining about Traktor and threatening to move to Serato. If you go to Rekordbox forums you find people complaining about that. As a matter of fact even if you visit the SSL area here at Serato you will find a swarm of individuals having issues with SSL.

Pay no mind to it as it just goes with the territory. People are VERY quick to come to the forums when having issues out of frustration. Now very often people will come on here to say "Just a heads up................... everything is working great, thanks" LOL


Serato DJ is a great application. Not perfect but getting better with every release. The DJM-S9 is certainly a mixer that will have no trouble selling. Out of curiosity why not keep the 62 as well. I have so much gear NOT because I am a hoarder but because I refuse to lose my shirt when selling off to the next user. "My loss is your gain" is not something I chose to admit haha.
m.Lozano 6:43 PM - 9 August, 2015
Great mixer ! Can't wait for it ! But! What I know from Pionner DJ is that every manufacture that closes their business or files for bankruptcy, pioneer buys there rights to avoid infringement and make their own version to make it more appealing. Not trying to be that " I think I know" type of guy but if u look closely, yes it great but Vestax had there own midi mixer with Serato and Traktor ready. Good job Pioneer! Keep it up!
Mick Swell 7:57 PM - 9 August, 2015
@deejdave The Rane 62 has been wonderful to me. The choice to sell it really comes down to cash flow. If I could afford to keep it I would. On the flip side I am the type of guy that just likes to pick one weapon as master it. I feel like if I keep the Rane it will most likely just sit around and not get much use anyway.
Mick Swell 8:03 PM - 9 August, 2015
Also, I think that night clubs would be more keen to buy the S9 to have on deck as an in-house dj mixer. I didn't see this with the Rane 62, at least not in Los Angeles. That could be because of the steep price. But they don't have a problem spending the cash for a DJM-900. I think that Pioneer is just a name brand they trust for the club.
DJ Demolition 10:49 PM - 9 August, 2015
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I should have also added "don't get wrong, your rendition is pretty badass as it tends to cater to a larger pool of DJs". ;-)

Thank you sir ...that's all I'm saying. Nothing wrong with this mixer, for it's intended niche. But there's also a big market for something better and more comprehensive.

I'm sure if Pioneer were to ever release such a mixing device on their own, the "brand god" worshipers here would totally change their mind about the idea, and endorse it wholeheartedly. After all, the concept just couldn't be legitimate, if it were only conceived of by a mere mortal...
deejdave 10:50 PM - 9 August, 2015
I would have to agree with you there. As a matter of fact it is this very fact that is keeping me from executing this purchase right away. While it sounds like this may be the answer for you (and I envy you for that LOL) I do more electronic music (I am avoiding that devil of a three letter word Starts with an E and ends with an M haha) thus a four channel version would suit my needs more. Admittedly I did sell my 62's and got the 64 but it was the one time I felt I got what most would consider a very fair offer. Actually Rane's hold their value pretty damn well so I actually take that back. I have an NS7II that literally got used maybe 10 times since I purchased it and half of those times were may one hour "test" sessions and not for nothing it is sad to see that so I totally see where you are coming from.


My one question now though is do I go straight for the S9 which I know for I fact I will DEF use but if and when a four channel comes out I can pretty much guarantee that will be the last time I will need the S9. Not to sound like a spoiled bastard but it is a tight spot to be in.
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Samuel S 11:42 PM - 9 August, 2015
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So can anyone explain how you can mix four channels at the same time with this two channel mixers? And I really mean at the same time...


You can't mix 4 decks at once. You can just switch between 1 / 3 on the left and 2 / 4 on the right to control any 2 of the 4 Serato DJ decks. There's only 2 channels of audio possible at once though.

sam.
DJ Demolition 12:22 AM - 10 August, 2015
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Lastly I mean no offense by this but we have heard you speak highly of those Stanton players and we both know how well they did. While I am by no means judging you or even saying you are wrong what I am saying is perhaps your idea of DJ gear is just different than the standard and not exactly what others are looking for. Simple as that. Again does not make you wrong as it is what would work for you. Just understand it works both ways and calling the masses "wrong", "Nerds" or even "afraid of change" is perhaps a reach at best.

DJD; I certainly mean no offense either, but his post (of which I only quote a small section here) is chock full of misconception and fallacious argument.

Just to address the quoted part and save time:

1- As I have said before (and you would know this, if you'd ever tried them yourself), the Stantons were conceptually well ahead of their time. I.E. - there is/was nothing wrong with the concept itself, and people loved the idea. The problem with them was on the manufacturing end. I'm pretty sure Pioneer could be trusted to get that part right... And I'd still love have a set that I could actually depend on, because they have fantastic potential, even to this day

2- There isn't a perfect answer out there yet, and a great many people don't really know "what they are looking for", until they see something that strikes their fancy. Apparently you don't either, or you wouldn't have such a huge collection of equipment that's just not quite right, and still be looking... Maybe, if you just sat down and thought about it like I have. you'd have some ideas of your own to post here?

3- I NEVER called anyone a "nerd". I said: "anyone who's staring at a laptop half the night "LOOKS" like a nerd"! And hey... I'm sorry, but that's just a sad fact. You say"By removing this from the laptop and placing it on a smaller screen on the mixer you are now simply taking the focus from the laptop and placing it on the mixer." Well, that's right. People will see you staring at the mixer turning knobs & pushing buttons, and you now look like someone who is... mixing... not a laptop nerd...



PS> Thanks again for your vote of confidence toward my GUI modification ideas. However Serato unfortunately just doesn't get it (and I can't keep SDJ from crashing anyway) so I just keep my money in my pocket, and I'll be using Itch for the foreseeable future. If and when they start listening and delivering, I'll start spending.
blackavenger 2:35 AM - 10 August, 2015
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In my opinion nothing comes close to the Pioneer filters

I take it you've never messed with Allen & Heath's?

But Pioneer's are great for the majority of users, so I don't fault you for that ignorant statement.
DJ Tecniq 5:36 AM - 10 August, 2015
Very curious of what Dj stores will have the best pricing for this unit.
raedonquan 11:25 AM - 10 August, 2015
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Very curious of what Dj stores will have the best pricing for this unit.


if your really got to have it now you pay the premium

or wait for a holiday sale or someone not liking it
Konix 1:35 PM - 10 August, 2015
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In my opinion nothing comes close to the Pioneer filters


I just threw up a little...
Mick Swell 3:14 PM - 10 August, 2015
@blackavenger ignorant statement? Your opinion is not worth any more than mine. You just reminded me of how shitty the dj community is.
Terrence Stokes 3:15 PM - 10 August, 2015
I want to sell my 64 now. Do you think there is still a demand for them?
the SOUNDINSURGENT 4:44 PM - 10 August, 2015
Ill trade you a brand new DJM 850 for it, lol!!

I'm playing, it is a rane though so you shouldn't have any trouble getting rid of it.
J.J. 5:42 PM - 10 August, 2015
Why can't Serato have a MIDI command to send Deck 1-4 to the Sampler for a duplicate. That way, the DJM-S9 sampler volume could be used for a 3rd Deck.

Currently, you have to drag your mouse from the Deck to the Sampler.
blackavenger 7:51 PM - 10 August, 2015
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@blackavenger ignorant statement? Your opinion is not worth any more than mine. You just reminded me of how shitty the dj community is.

Go to a shop and test A&H's filters, and tell me I'm wrong.
nik39 8:44 PM - 10 August, 2015
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In my opinion nothing comes close to the Pioneer filters


I just threw up a little...

LOL!
nik39 8:45 PM - 10 August, 2015
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So can anyone explain how you can mix four channels at the same time with this two channel mixers? And I really mean at the same time...


You can't mix 4 decks at once. You can just switch between 1 / 3 on the left and 2 / 4 on the right to control any 2 of the 4 Serato DJ decks. There's only 2 channels of audio possible at once though.

sam.

Hey Samuel, I think Pioneer said that it can be used to do four decks. Thanks for the clarification!
05spoof 8:52 PM - 10 August, 2015
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So can anyone explain how you can mix four channels at the same time with this two channel mixers? And I really mean at the same time...


You can't mix 4 decks at once. You can just switch between 1 / 3 on the left and 2 / 4 on the right to control any 2 of the 4 Serato DJ decks. There's only 2 channels of audio possible at once though.

sam.

I thought this thing would be like the SR in that only two channels were available for control at a time but having all four play were possible.

Lost interest if what you say is true.
nik39 9:03 PM - 10 August, 2015
From Pioneer's press release :

"The mixer delivers plug-and-play integration with Serato DJ’s four decks and boasts DVS support, on-board Beat FX, two USB sound cards"

Highly confusing.
05spoof 9:18 PM - 10 August, 2015
Yeah it mentions it but doesn't go into any specific's. Kinda seems dumb to have control over four decks but only being able to hear two at a time. I guess if you've got a set routine and want to cue some tracks ahead of time it makes sense but other then that it really seems odd to have it.
Serato, Moderator
Samuel S 9:35 PM - 10 August, 2015
Well the mixer does control all four Serato DJ decks but you can only have 2 channels of audio at once. When you switch between 1 / 3 the audio will just swap to that deck, just like switching from phono to line.

You could use it to have different scratch sentences loaded to the other decks so you could switch quickly across? I'm sure you all could find some interesting ways to use this feature :)

I mean, it's better than not having it right? :)

sam.
DJ Demolition 10:00 PM - 10 August, 2015
Using My Twitch as mixer with VDJ8 and TTs, I can play all four (or more) channels (audibly) at once. However, I can only control two at any given instant.
nik39 10:25 PM - 10 August, 2015
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I mean, it's better than not having it right? :)

I find the way how Pioneer worded it to be very misleading.
deejdave 10:30 PM - 10 August, 2015
Out of curiosity what is the point of using a controller AND TT's with real time control of only two decks at a time. Seems like limited overkill.

Whenever I use a controller with either 2 CDJ's or 2 TT's I have real time control of all four decks. I actually see no point to using a controller with two decks without real time control.

I can however understand using a mixer and 2 TT's with real time control of only two decks as with the 62, 57MKII or DJM-S9.
Mr. Goodkat 10:34 PM - 10 August, 2015
so you can't even route the audio of 3-4 out of an aux? Even 1 extra channel would be nice
05spoof 11:47 PM - 10 August, 2015
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Well the mixer does control all four Serato DJ decks but you can only have 2 channels of audio at once. When you switch between 1 / 3 the audio will just swap to that deck, just like switching from phono to line.

You could use it to have different scratch sentences loaded to the other decks so you could switch quickly across? I'm sure you all could find some interesting ways to use this feature :)

I mean, it's better than not having it right? :)

sam.

Can a track on an unselected deck be played (only muted) simultaneously with a selected deck then just use the input selector to drop in the other track or use the selector like a fader and double up some kicks and snares while mixing on the other channel. Can that at least be achieved?
Serato, Moderator
Samuel S 11:56 PM - 10 August, 2015
Yes you could do that for sure 05spoof. I couldn't see why you couldn't if that deck was set to INT.

sam.
05spoof 12:07 AM - 11 August, 2015
Interested once again.
DJ Demolition 1:01 AM - 11 August, 2015
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Out of curiosity what is the point of using a controller AND TT's with real time control of only two decks at a time. Seems like limited overkill.

Personally, I like the versatility. The Twitch looks like a mixer, although it's really a controller. In fact, so far not one person has noticed that it is a controller. :) Makes a nice clean 2 TTs and a mixer setup, yet it can do so much more.

I have the eight cue/loop/(and whatever else I want to program them for) pads right there. I have a whole effects section. I have the lighted touch strips which are programmed to read out four beat bars, so I can see at a glance if an accapella, etc, is getting of of beat sync. And I don't even have to touch the vinyl, I can make my corrections on the touch strip even easier.

I rarely ever try to actually mix three channels at once, although sometimes I'll have a backbeat, or a sample running on a third track. When I actually do need to control more than two channels simultaneously, I can seamlessly and effortlessly switch the controls back and forth in milliseconds, so that's not really an issue, and in fact, I think I actually prefer it that way overall, because of the simplicity it affords.

I also like that when no one is paying attention, I can raise the tonearm on the tables to save the needles and vinyl, and just perform straight off the Twitch itself. Well, I could go on a while longer, but hopefully, you get the point.
deejdave 1:11 AM - 11 August, 2015
In all honesty though it sounds like the TT's are there for show and the controller is actually doing the work which is fine. Sounds pretty cool actually. I would imagine the fact that you are using it with VDJ also helps quite a bit as from what I have heard the Twitch's mapping with SDJ is sub par. After getting involved with patter-less controllers (S8, AMX/AFX, Kontrol X1/F1) I was actually thinking about purchasing one myself but the overall feedback from current owners regarding SDJ actually deterred me from buying one in hopes of a new mapping OR better yet a Twitch MKII.


I don't personally need four channels very often but three comes into play quite a bit. I usually use that last channel for something different altogether.
Mr. Goodkat 1:12 AM - 11 August, 2015
i saw younger dj doing something like that recently. he used the decks for backspins. i lol'ed
DJ Demolition 1:46 AM - 11 August, 2015
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In all honesty though it sounds like the TT's are there for show and the controller is actually doing the work

Yes, well in reality none of us lazy digital DJs are actually using the tables for what they were designed for. We're just using them as a kind of controller anyway. However, there are some things you can do on the tables that the twitch can't do, and I can play real vinyl records too, if the situation calls for it. And yes, I do like to be seen behind real tables ...whatever that says about my personality?

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I would imagine the fact that you are using it with VDJ also helps quite a bit as from what I have heard the Twitch's mapping with SDJ is sub par.

Definitely. It works fine with Itch, but I wouldn't even consider running it wit SDJ. VDJ8 is the ticket here. You can take this non assuming controller and software, and with a little time dedicated to programming, it is transformed into a very formidable contender...

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in hopes of a new mapping OR better yet a Twitch MKII.

Yes, a MKII with a screen, please. I'll be the first in line. Meanwhile, it is my observation that these we have available now, they are very capable, and cost a lot less than the S9.
deejdave 1:53 AM - 11 August, 2015
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whatever that says about my personality?

To me it says you understand that sometimes image is everything which I happen to agree with. A performer does not always have the luxury of not caring what others think. I mean stay true to yourself but you gotta be playing for someone right? LOL
DJ Demolition 2:02 AM - 11 August, 2015
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To me it says you understand that sometimes image is everything which I happen to agree with. A performer does not always have the luxury of not caring what others think. I mean stay true to yourself but you gotta be playing for someone right? LOL

I couldn't have said it any better.
Mr. Goodkat 2:21 AM - 11 August, 2015
twitch never worked with itch for me, crashed always within 30-45 mins out the few times i tried to use it. really liked that controller, was small,light and no jog wheels.
DJ Demolition 2:30 AM - 11 August, 2015
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twitch never worked with itch for me, crashed always within 30-45 mins out the few times i tried to use it. really liked that controller, was small,light and no jog wheels.

That's odd. I don't ever recall hearing anyone else complain about that issue. Allways worked like a champ for me, but I can't get SDJ to run for more than an hour, without some kind of major malfunction. But then, I'm running AMD hardware, and that may be the difference.
938MyDJ 5:27 AM - 11 August, 2015
Looks like this thread went a little bit off it's course : (
Mr. Goodkat 6:04 AM - 11 August, 2015
ill recap

its a great mixer and new look for pioneer
pioneer people an people with brains like it.

rane fanboys hate it
and for some reason some people think its ugly but how can anything be uglier than a 62?

this mixer will come out at around 1400-1600 street by all estimates.
and doesnt have magnetic upfaders.
DJ Demolition 11:58 AM - 11 August, 2015
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ts a great mixer and new look for pioneer

It's hard to really know without actually working with it for a while, but it would seem to me that the stereo pad mode debacle could be a sticking point. It'll be interesting to see how that issue pans out with customers in the real world.

I personally prefer my cues in one place, and loops, etc., somewhere else, I.E., dedicated controls (like on the V7s for example), as I don't like switching back and forth between modes. But now with this setup, the modes are integrated side-to-side also. So that involves even more switching.

I understand that compromise is an inescapable and necessary part of our reality, but things like this make me wonder who makes those kinds of decisions, and what (if any) criteria they may be basing them on.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 4:22 PM - 11 August, 2015
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ts a great mixer and new look for pioneer

It's hard to really know without actually working with it for a while, but it would seem to me that the stereo pad mode debacle could be a sticking point. It'll be interesting to see how that issue pans out with customers in the real world.

I personally prefer my cues in one place, and loops, etc., somewhere else, I.E., dedicated controls (like on the V7s for example), as I don't like switching back and forth between modes. But now with this setup, the modes are integrated side-to-side also. So that involves even more switching.

I understand that compromise is an inescapable and necessary part of our reality, but things like this make me wonder who makes those kinds of decisions, and what (if any) criteria they may be basing them on.


I've been screaming mad about this since they started this layering bullcrap!!

It's just laziness on the manufacturers side, plain and simple!!

But then it also falls on us as DJs because we except it with no questions asked.

There is nothing more that burns me up then layering all these controls into a few buttons, in my opinion it sucks and I really wish we could get away from it but I fear its to late........ Sorry or the
rant......
boabmatic 4:45 PM - 11 August, 2015
its a design compromise...

62 has everything on one layer - but only 5 small cue buttons per channel.

DJMS9 - big 8 performance pads per channel but layered controls on these pads.
Mr. Goodkat 6:30 PM - 11 August, 2015
you could grab and SP1 and have 2 layers. it doesnt really matter what mixer you have you are only gonna have 1 layer of pads. i would like to see 4 used one way and 4 used another per channel but cant win em all.
DJ Tecniq 7:49 PM - 11 August, 2015
Haven't tried the 57 MKII but when I tried the ddjsr I fell in love with those pads so I'm super stoked Pioneer has a mixer with those pads👏🏻 Not sure I would like the small ones on the MKII.
Mr. Goodkat 8:00 PM - 11 August, 2015
hopefully this leads to a sp1 mk2 thats not the size of a cadallac
Ragman 8:48 PM - 11 August, 2015
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ts a great mixer and new look for pioneer

It's hard to really know without actually working with it for a while, but it would seem to me that the stereo pad mode debacle could be a sticking point. It'll be interesting to see how that issue pans out with customers in the real world.

I personally prefer my cues in one place, and loops, etc., somewhere else, I.E., dedicated controls (like on the V7s for example), as I don't like switching back and forth between modes. But now with this setup, the modes are integrated side-to-side also. So that involves even more switching.

I understand that compromise is an inescapable and necessary part of our reality, but things like this make me wonder who makes those kinds of decisions, and what (if any) criteria they may be basing them on.

This is why I've never sold my V7s. I know layering allows companies to load up a controller with more features but I'd much prefer dedicated buttons and pads even at the risk of losing some of those features I don't really use. But that's just my personal preference as I know the many out weigh the few.
DJ Demolition 8:49 PM - 11 August, 2015
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i would like to see 4 used one way and 4 used another per channel but cant win em all.

You're thinking like me... Only I'd want two rows of five (not four) for a total of ten. Then you put a page button there to take those same buttons to page two, and you'd have access to another five cues, loops, or whatever. Eight cues is not always enough for me. I'd want numbered buttons too, I don't care about the Christmas tree colors. Also, the button numbers and labels should change with the function.

And this would be practical and easy to implement. They won't do it though, because they are dedicated to this 'standard' format.
05spoof 9:07 PM - 11 August, 2015
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ts a great mixer and new look for pioneer

It's hard to really know without actually working with it for a while, but it would seem to me that the stereo pad mode debacle could be a sticking point. It'll be interesting to see how that issue pans out with customers in the real world.

I personally prefer my cues in one place, and loops, etc., somewhere else, I.E., dedicated controls (like on the V7s for example), as I don't like switching back and forth between modes. But now with this setup, the modes are integrated side-to-side also. So that involves even more switching.

I understand that compromise is an inescapable and necessary part of our reality, but things like this make me wonder who makes those kinds of decisions, and what (if any) criteria they may be basing them on.


I've been screaming mad about this since they started this layering bullcrap!!

It's just laziness on the manufacturers side, plain and simple!!

But then it also falls on us as DJs because we except it with no questions asked.

There is nothing more that burns me up then layering all these controls into a few buttons, in my opinion it sucks and I really wish we could get away from it but I fear its to late........ Sorry or the
rant......

Well I'm using an APC Mini and even with that I ran out of pads to map everything out. Besides would want a mixer 64 pads sitting on it?
DJ Demolition 9:11 PM - 11 August, 2015
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Besides would want a mixer 64 pads sitting on it?

I reckon you don't get what we're saying here.
05spoof 9:15 PM - 11 August, 2015
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Besides would want a mixer 64 pads sitting on it?

I reckon you don't get what we're saying here.

thought the SOUNDINSURGENT was bothered by not having access to all the pads at once. Must of misunderstood.
DJ Demolition 9:20 PM - 11 August, 2015
No... we're just saying they are better ways to do this. (without having "64 buttons")
Mr. Goodkat 9:29 PM - 11 August, 2015
just get one of these map it and call it a day.

www.youtube.com
05spoof 9:29 PM - 11 August, 2015
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You're thinking like me... Only I'd want two rows of five (not four) for a total of ten. Then you put a page button there to take those same buttons to page two, and you'd have access to another five cues, loops, or whatever. Eight cues is not always enough for me. I'd want numbered buttons too, I don't care about the Christmas tree colors. Also, the button numbers and labels should change with the function.

And this would be practical and easy to implement. They won't do it though, because they are dedicated to this 'standard' format.

I see what you mean now. My mistake. For me I would keep the pad layout on S9 then add 8 smaller (62 size) user assignable pads right below the 16. Then there would be 24 pads total without having to make any drastic changes to how it currently looks.
DJ Demolition 9:43 PM - 11 August, 2015
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just get one of these map it and call it a day.

That's beyond my comprehension level... lol.
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For me I would keep the pad layout on S9 then add 8 smaller (62 size) user assignable pads right below the 16. Then there would be 24 pads total without having to make any drastic changes to how it currently looks.

Right... well the point is that there are much better, more comprehensive ways to do this.

I've sketched up a quick and dirty rendition of what I was talking about here:

Note that the top pads are dedicated to the cues. So the left deck is on default, and the right deck is on "page 2" for that (right) side. The lower pads are on Auto-Loop by default, so the right is on the default setting, and the left is on saved loops.
DJ Demolition 9:44 PM - 11 August, 2015
DJ_X_Trodinaire 9:53 PM - 11 August, 2015
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Here: www.flickr.com


Damn. That looks like a $4k mixer lol

DJM-S9NEXUSMKII
DJ dVO 10:03 PM - 11 August, 2015
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Here: www.flickr.com


Can you make it fatter and add two small platters for me? :)
05spoof 10:37 PM - 11 August, 2015
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Here: www.flickr.com

For a minute there I thought I was looking at a space shuttle cockpit ;) LOL!
Mr. Goodkat 12:44 AM - 12 August, 2015
bringin up nexus, this isnt a nexus mixer is it?
deejdave 1:09 AM - 12 August, 2015
Nexus is just a fancier way of saying MKII.
Mr. Goodkat 2:17 AM - 12 August, 2015
i meant nexus in the sense that it will work with nxs cd players in hid mode.
deejdave 2:22 AM - 12 August, 2015
Not following. Nexus players work in HID mode with all hardware. As a matter of fact not even all Nexus hardware works with SDJ (DJM-2000Nexus) If you are asking will it support "On air" DJ features and other communications that you would want in a DJM/CDJ setup then no as it lacks the proper ethernet port to do so. For this reason it will also not work with the current version of Rekordbox either.
djcaba 2:34 AM - 12 August, 2015
Release the DDJ-SP2 or DJM-SX already!
Mr. Goodkat 6:04 AM - 12 August, 2015
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DJM/CDJ setup then no as it lacks the proper ethernet port to do so


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Nexus players work in HID mode with all hardware.


im just saying with this mixer, and 2 nxs cdjs, will it still control serato like control cues, loops and different buttons like sync in sdj. I guess it would because a nexus mixer isnt really in the loop of that right?

im confusing myself lol. guess i just thought that a nxs mixer was needed, but really its just in the cdjs thru ethernet. now im wondering why a nexus mixer is needed? just in case you want 4 deck control?
dibb 6:38 AM - 12 August, 2015
I'm also waiting for the ddj-sp2. Would love to see this little screen on it that is introduced with the s9. Being able to see loop size and effect info on the device will going to make a big difference not having to look at the laptop for those actions.

My ideal (sub)controller would also include deck and pitch controls and a touchstrip (mapped like the Twitch, not the AFX), but I don't see Pioneer including those.

And of course a little screen with crates an tracks.. :)
05spoof 1:31 PM - 12 August, 2015
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DJM/CDJ setup then no as it lacks the proper ethernet port to do so


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im just saying with this mixer, and 2 nxs cdjs, will it still control serato like control cues, loops and different buttons like sync in sdj. I guess it would because a nexus mixer isnt really in the loop of that right?

im confusing myself lol. guess i just thought that a nxs mixer was needed, but really its just in the cdjs thru ethernet. now im wondering why a nexus mixer is needed? just in case you want 4 deck control?

How much sleep you had lately? The S9 is a Serato mixer.

Waiting for all the DJ Expo vids to start popping up on youtube. Haven't seen any close ups or any company rep walkthrough vids yet.

I thought originally the concept of Rekordbox was to do away with using a laptop. The new Serato/virtualDJ combo doesn't help that or am I wrong about Rekordbox's original intentions.
boabmatic 3:46 PM - 12 August, 2015
DJ Tecniq 6:53 PM - 12 August, 2015
Interested to find out what kind of cases will fit this mixer.
DJ Demolition 7:17 PM - 12 August, 2015
Okay folks... I realize that I've sort of hijacked this thread a little bit. I do realize the the title is not "DJ Demolition's Dream Mixer".

However, I do think that I make a valid point that is worthy of your attention, which is that: as professionals we have been struggling along with what ever we could find available to stay abreast of the digital revolution in this "industry". Yet, it's been fifteen years, and we are still limping along with antiquated concepts and marginal equipment.

We all get excited whenever anything new arrives on the the market that seems to hold out promise, but after we get our hands on it, the shortcomings become apparent almost immediately.

I am an ardent technology buff (nerd?), and I've been riding the bleeding edge of this trend, ever since it's beginning ... way before most DJs even realized it was even possible. I am also an engineer and a designer, so I know what it takes to build this equipment, as well as what is, and is not, possible.

What I'm getting around to sating here, is that most of these corporates that we are depending on to supply us, are either just jerking us around by dribbling out just a little at a time, to keep us buying over and over, or they are just plain incompetent This may not be so obvious to the rest of you, but it's very plain to me...

Why don't we figure out exactly what we need to perform our job most efficiently and most enjoyably, then draw it up, present it to the market, and just say: "build it, and we'll buy it"? I'm satisfied that if we put it to them like that... someone would take us up on that offer.

Meanwhile, I guess if you're a scratch artist, this S9 might be your dream come true? But right here: www.flickr.com is what I'm talking about... Just plug in your files via USB. Self contained, no laptop required! See, if we had this, we could go back to DJing like it was in the good old days. All of the good, and none of the bad.

I don't know about the rest of you people, but if this showed up on the market for less than $3,000.00, you can bet I'd be a player!
boabmatic 7:29 PM - 12 August, 2015
but 99% of 2 channel scratch mixer users will not buy that as there is too many controls around the fader area.
DJ Demolition 7:55 PM - 12 August, 2015
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but 99% of 2 channel scratch mixer users will not buy that as there is too many controls around the fader area.

People who would cull it for that reason alone, wouldn't even make up ten percent of the market. And for them, there's always the standard model, which is already available.

What I'm suggesting there, would be welcomed by a huge base of across the board TT DJs. Pioneer could have that done in six months or less. With Rekordbox, they already have all the technology in place. Mainly all they'd have to concern themselves with, is the packaging.
05spoof 8:43 PM - 12 August, 2015

Yeah saw it earlier. Must of felt like Christmas morning.

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but 99% of 2 channel scratch mixer users will not buy that as there is too many controls around the fader area.

People who would cull it for that reason alone, wouldn't even make up ten percent of the market. And for them, there's always the standard model, which is already available.

What I'm suggesting there, would be welcomed by a huge base of across the board TT DJs. Pioneer could have that done in six months or less. With Rekordbox, they already have all the technology in place. Mainly all they'd have to concern themselves with, is the packaging.

The only way for everyone to get what they want. The brands would have to start making mixers modular and sell either in a determined preset or in sections. Want a screen that has multiple pages and one is for EQing or instead add physical eq's or have both. Think of them like lego's, each piece can be stacked in either top or bottom and as many as you hearts desire. The pieces that are in less demand will be more expensive. How's that sound?
DJ Demolition 9:17 PM - 12 August, 2015
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The brands would have to start making mixers modular and sell either in a determined preset or in sections. [...] Think of them like lego's, each piece can be stacked in either top or bottom and as many as you hearts desire. The pieces that are in less demand will be more expensive. How's that sound?

It'd be great. People like me have been saying that for a long time, but if it ever happens, it'll be a long time off.

On the other hand, what I'm suggesting here is immediately doable. And (if it were executed correctly) would make a lot of people happy, as is, right now...
dibb 9:33 PM - 12 August, 2015
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Funny you say this, because today I did exactly that. I've designed a concept for my perfect DDJ- SP2:

www.dropbox.com

The screen is "context aware": Depending on what encoder you touch or performance mode you're in, it will show effect & loop parameters, crates and their tracks or waveforms.

Build it, and I'll buy it.. :)
deejdave 9:56 PM - 12 August, 2015
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Why don't we figure out exactly what we need to perform our job most efficiently and most enjoyably, then draw it up, present it to the market, and just say: "build it, and we'll buy it"? I'm satisfied that if we put it to them like that... someone would take us up on that offer.

TBH I doubt this could work because in our own minds we are all THE one who knows what would sell. Let's be honest in the department of what will sell and what IS wanted by the masses or the majority at the very least is exactly what they are offering.
deejdave 9:56 PM - 12 August, 2015
Not that I would not love this to be a reality myself.......
DJ Demolition 10:44 PM - 12 August, 2015
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TBH I doubt this could work because in our own minds we are all THE one who knows what would sell. Let's be honest in the department of what will sell and what IS wanted by the masses or the majority at the very least is exactly what they are offering.

Ah... it's a little hard for me to make out what you're saying here Dave. But as far as any of these companies really knowing what the pros need ...well I think that's giving them too much credit. Now when it comes to plastic toys, yeah... I'll give them that much I guess. Even this mixer (the stock S9) has "consumerism" written all over it.

Look down the center at the silkscreening. It says "Pioneer DJ" twice. Once would have been plenty. It should have just read "Pioneer DJM-S9" if it was designed for a professional market. Over the pads, it's labeled "PERFORMANCE PADS" in big bold italicized type.

Professionals know what the pads are, and they don't need that. It's just something Pioneer thought would appeal to novice buyers when the see it on display at their local consumer center. Effects are labeled the same way. I wouldn't expect A&H or Rane to stoop like that. That's a whole different market.
DJ Demolition 10:59 PM - 12 August, 2015
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Well, that's what I'm talking about. We need to THINK first,( something a lot of people just can't be bothered to do anymore), put our ideas on paper, so other people can see what we're trying to relate, and then compare notes and ideas. Once we have something that professionals can agree on, then's the time to present them to the marketers at your favorite manufacturing house.
DJ Demolition 7:28 PM - 18 August, 2015
blackavenger 8:45 PM - 18 August, 2015
Yeah, those have been up for a minute. Haha, the look on Skratch Bastid's face in the beginning is hilarious!
DJ Demolition 9:08 PM - 18 August, 2015
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Haha, the look on Skratch Bastid's face in the beginning is hilarious!

Uh yeah... I wish I could scratch like that!
DJ Merci 2:19 AM - 19 August, 2015
just sent you a pm DJ Demolition.....
raedonquan 2:58 AM - 19 August, 2015
from the djtechtools link

“I think it’s a waste of pads how it is now. It should be like:

LEFT DECK RIGHT DECK
CUE 1,2,3,4 CUE 1,2,3,4
Sample 1,2,3 Sample 4,5,6

by default”

so pioneer needs to fix this......the way it is the pads only control one deck at a time

opps looks like ill wait a year to get one that right there is a no go for me
Jamie W 3:11 AM - 19 August, 2015
Hey raedonquan,

You can custom midi map the pads yourself, so what you are saying is achievable using one of the user layer modes :)

Jamie.
blackavenger 8:04 AM - 19 August, 2015
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You can custom midi map the pads yourself, so what you are saying is achievable using one of the user layer modes :)

So are we ever going to see User Customization for the pads on the SX2 or SZ then? I would muuuuch rather the pads (when in Sample Player Mode) be laid out as follows....

Top Row: 1, 2, 3
Bottom Row: 4, 5, 6
#4 pads on the top and bottom rows can be used to switch between banks.

Leaving pads 5 & 6 dormant as it is in the current configuration is such a waste.
Djkom 8:05 AM - 19 August, 2015
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Hey raedonquan,

You can custom midi map the pads yourself, so what you are saying is achievable using one of the user layer modes :)

Jamie.


Yeah the mixer is almost perfect!!

One question about the parameter buttons above the pads. What function they have in cue mode? Are they also mappable? I would like to map them to beat jumps in cue mode.
DJ_Clippz 8:56 AM - 19 August, 2015
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Where'd you find the mentioned "$2000" price tag?
Maybe I missed it somewhere...

If that really is the price, I think I'll start saving for the DJM-S10 (DJM-SX sounds legit)

I've just had price confirmed at £1299 in the Uk


Dude where did you find this price? The cheapest i could find at the moment is £1269! Hook me the link please :)

i was so close to getting a DJM909..then considered a 57mkII then thought DJMS9 was the answer from the DJ Gods man! lol! It's definitely the 909 on steroids!
DJ_Clippz 8:58 AM - 19 August, 2015
Sh*t! I just noticed I read the prices wrong! LOL! my bad! I'm meant to give you the link - doh!

www.decks.co.uk
jprime 5:32 PM - 19 August, 2015


Add a Start/Stop button for each deck and I'm in.
Niro 7:23 PM - 20 August, 2015
Here you go, even has jog wheels.

www.pioneerelectronics.com
Tommy Deem 8:21 PM - 20 August, 2015
And it is even at the same price range xD If u want mixer that has all the features that are in controller, this is the right way xD lol....
deejdave 9:38 PM - 20 August, 2015
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Here you go, even has jog wheels.

www.pioneerelectronics.com

Exactly how I feel whenever I see anyone asking for transport controls on mixers and accessories. They are called SUB controllers for a reason.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 4:08 AM - 21 August, 2015
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Here you go, even has jog wheels.

www.pioneerelectronics.com

Exactly how I feel whenever I see anyone asking for transport controls on mixers and accessories. They are called SUB controllers for a reason.


Well they did have transport controls on the DJMT1 if anyone but me remembers........
DJ Demolition 2:04 PM - 21 August, 2015
IMO, any equipment with transport controls should also provide a means to physically control the speed etc... So you also need the pitch faders and some sort of manual interfacing device like the platters on your average controller.

On the other hand, when I first started out and didn't have a lot of money, I used Technics belt-drive TTs, and with them, you couldn't start a track by just shoving the record in without getting that "stretchy belt" sound. So you had to get everything set perfectly, back the track up far enough, then hit the "ON" button four beats ahead of time. Finally, I modified my mixer by installing remote start buttons for the TTs on either side, and that worked out great. Therefore, obviously there are special situations where TCs could come in handy, although I would think those would be comparatively rare.

Then, as I've mentioned here before, I use my Twitch (which obviously includes TCs) with my TTs, and although I don't expect a lot of others to follow my lead. or even agree... that actually makes a GREAT mixer/controller combination.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 3:00 PM - 21 August, 2015
They've replaced the pitch sliders with a sync button........I don't use it but the pitch sliders are no lo.her needed......
DJ dVO 3:06 PM - 21 August, 2015
Here is an interesting take....

djworx.com
DJ_X_Trodinaire 3:40 PM - 21 August, 2015
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djworx.com


that would be neat and could be a possibility.
PopRoXxX 8:32 PM - 21 August, 2015
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djworx.com

Way too bloated with way too much ish everywhere IMO.
deejdave 9:18 PM - 21 August, 2015
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Here you go, even has jog wheels.

www.pioneerelectronics.com

Exactly how I feel whenever I see anyone asking for transport controls on mixers and accessories. They are called SUB controllers for a reason.


Well they did have transport controls on the DJMT1 if anyone but me remembers........

As does the Akai AMX but what I am saying is in general there will be things not present. They are in fact not full controllers. If one were to add every feature that every person asks for (keeping in mind everyone has their own priorities) you would in fact just end up with the expensive, space consuming (although I don't see either of these as problems) devices that are already available known as controllers.
DJ Demolition 1:10 AM - 22 August, 2015
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Well I DO use it about 20% of the time, but there are plenty of situations where you still need some type of manual pitch control regardless. It's really a moot point here though, because you have them on the tables, along with the other necessary items.
DJ Demolition 2:15 AM - 22 August, 2015
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djworx.com

Thanks for that link. Another link popped up while I was reading that article: djworx.com It's a bit off topic, but it got me a little exited so I thought I'd share. I wouldn't mind having me a pair of these ...not at all.
Fryeday 8:36 AM - 19 November, 2015
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Jamie, my new S9 works perfectly w/ 1.8 except for the crossfader delay while running Serato Video. As soon as I move the fader slightly, it jumps as though it's in center position and stays that way until the last 1/4 inch on the other side. I have adjusted the curve. I have adjusted the fader sharpness inside the set up menu and nothing works? The up faders work perfectly and match the up / down on the display, but not the crossfader.

please let me know what the fix is for this?
Jamie W 10:34 PM - 23 November, 2015
Hey Fryeday,

Have you contacted support about this issue? They will be able to help you resolve this issue.
Here is a link --> support.serato.com

Thanks
Jamie
djmacklong 2:36 AM - 25 November, 2015
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Hey Fryeday,

Have you contacted support about this issue? They will be able to help you resolve this issue.
Here is a link --> support.serato.com

Thanks
Jamie


For christ's sakes...please stop posting this crap. Serato support doesn't help with anything ever at all. EVER.

...other than driving their users crazy with their repetitive questions and useless responses.
Jamie W 2:39 AM - 25 November, 2015
Hey DJmacklong,

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Serato support doesn't help with anything ever at all. EVER.


Thats a little unfair.

What problems are you having? Flick me a message I will look into them for you.
Lets not de-rail this DJM-S9 thread.

Thanks,
Jamie
djmacklong 2:44 AM - 25 November, 2015
It's not unfair at all, because it's the truth. Read thru the threads.
djmacklong 2:45 AM - 25 November, 2015
Hell there is even a FB group dedicated to the terrible support from Serato now.
Jamie W 2:53 AM - 25 November, 2015
Hey DJmacklong,

Let me know your support ticket numbers and ill look into the issues for you.
BTW: I just responded to your other thread here -> serato.com

Thanks,

Jamie :)
deejdave 3:50 AM - 25 November, 2015
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Serato support doesn't help with anything ever at all. EVER.

serato.com

Priceless................
Mr. Goodkat 4:10 AM - 25 November, 2015
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Serato support doesn't help with anything ever at all. EVER.

serato.com

Priceless................


djmacklong 0- serato 1
desmorider 4:10 AM - 25 November, 2015
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Serato support doesn't help with anything ever at all. EVER.

serato.com

Priceless................



funny shit right thurr............
Ragman 7:18 AM - 25 November, 2015
Unfriggin believable....
djmacklong 7:31 AM - 25 November, 2015
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

And I said thank you.
jevo9 8:15 AM - 25 November, 2015
so how about that s9 lol
eskay 2:38 PM - 26 November, 2015
Does anyone know if sync and smart sync work with DVS on the S9? Didn't on the SX2 I think.
thorissr 3:17 PM - 26 November, 2015
Heads up for those that aren't aware. Pioneer dropped a new firmware,1.05, which is suppose to address the fader cut lag when the S9 isn't connected to a computer.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 4:42 PM - 26 November, 2015
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Does anyone know if sync and smart sync work with DVS on the S9? Didn't on the SX2 I think.


First time trying sync on DVS. When you first turn on Sync the two songs will sync. But once you change the pitch on one song, the other will not follow/"sync" like on the controllers.

So I guess it is a N O, unless I am doing something wrong.
djmacklong 4:19 AM - 27 November, 2015
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Does anyone know if sync and smart sync work with DVS on the S9? Didn't on the SX2 I think.


First time trying sync on DVS. When you first turn on Sync the two songs will sync. But once you change the pitch on one song, the other will not follow/"sync" like on the controllers.

So I guess it is a N O, unless I am doing something wrong.


That's correct.
Djaward 6:27 PM - 2 December, 2015
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Hey Fryeday,

Have you contacted support about this issue? They will be able to help you resolve this issue.
Here is a link --> support.serato.com

Thanks
Jamie


For christ's sakes...please stop posting this crap. Serato support doesn't help with anything ever at all. EVER.

...other than driving their users crazy with their repetitive questions and useless responses.


Serato has always help with the problems Ive had.. Maybe its not Serato or Serato dj, maybe its user error......

CTRL+SHIFT+DELETE


LOL.
Tommy Deem 6:48 PM - 2 December, 2015
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Hey Fryeday,

Have you contacted support about this issue? They will be able to help you resolve this issue.
Here is a link --> support.serato.com

Thanks
Jamie


For christ's sakes...please stop posting this crap. Serato support doesn't help with anything ever at all. EVER.

...other than driving their users crazy with their repetitive questions and useless responses.


Serato has always help with the problems Ive had.. Maybe its not Serato or Serato dj, maybe its user error......

CTRL+SHIFT+DELETE

Yep, same goes here.

90% of problems are user related, not equipment :)
90% includes Dj's too.

LOL.
RIDDIMNBLUES 9:08 PM - 2 December, 2015
youtu.be

interesting vid on the s9....rane all day
DJ Tecniq 11:17 PM - 2 December, 2015
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interesting vid on the s9....rane all day
I don't understand why he didn't just go with the 57 MK II...And I've heard from a lot of dj's the fader on the S9 is better compared to a Rane. That talk is all over instagram.
05spoof 6:04 AM - 3 December, 2015
^ prob because you can't use SDJ effects with regular vinyl. Without the 57mkII connected it essentially becomes an expensive 56s.
vega 12:56 AM - 6 January, 2016
how do you turn off the auto-cue points feature in serato dj? There was a button for this in scratchlive but don't see it in serato Dj

would hate to hit a pad without a cue point and have it make a cue point confusing me
Mr. Goodkat 1:15 AM - 6 January, 2016
cant do it. you get used to it pretty quick. although i set cues sometimes with cmnd+number which isnt necessary.
Scott S 2:58 AM - 6 January, 2016
Hi vega,

You're right, there was a "Set Hot Cue" feature in Scratch Live that allowed you to play Cue Points that were already set, but didn't allow you to add any more. Unfortunately this feature is not available in Serato DJ.

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One possible workaround is to use the "Playback Keys Use Shift" option in the SETUP screen so that you can't hit the keyboard shortcuts for Hot Cues (1-5) and have them accidentally play/set cues. This is only for keyboard shortcuts however, on the Pioneer DJM-S9 when in Hot Cue mode the pads are always available to set/play hot cues.

Regards
lindsaymar 11:20 PM - 20 January, 2016
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Here's the problem I have. If issues start to occur with serato Dj you are stuck with it. So not so sure I want to sell my SL3 as of yet. But they really should make these mixers compatible for use with Scratchlive in case things do happen. Cause it's a $2,000 dollar mixer bundled with SDJ so you're just stuck with it till the bugs are resolved👎🏻


What do you mean you are stuck with it?

You need to let go of SSL, thats the past. Besides, Serato Dj works just fine.

What I suggest you do is play/practice with your new toy at home before taking it out on a gig.

Never use your new toy for the first time at a gig.


"Serato Dj works fine" is true. But it's little consolation for people who paid good money for a Rane TM57SL only to have the software upgraded to Serato-Dj and their expensive mixer outdated.
It's a consideration to take when investing in gear that's tied to software.
DJ Tecniq 11:30 PM - 20 January, 2016
^ thank you.
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:31 PM - 20 January, 2016
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Here's the problem I have. If issues start to occur with serato Dj you are stuck with it. So not so sure I want to sell my SL3 as of yet. But they really should make these mixers compatible for use with Scratchlive in case things do happen. Cause it's a $2,000 dollar mixer bundled with SDJ so you're just stuck with it till the bugs are resolved👎🏻


What do you mean you are stuck with it?

You need to let go of SSL, thats the past. Besides, Serato Dj works just fine.

What I suggest you do is play/practice with your new toy at home before taking it out on a gig.

Never use your new toy for the first time at a gig.


"Serato Dj works fine" is true. But it's little consolation for people who paid good money for a Rane TM57SL only to have the software upgraded to Serato-Dj and their expensive mixer outdated.
It's a consideration to take when investing in gear that's tied to software.


What? It still works fine with the software it came with and even Rane have replaced this mixer with a mkll

It's old all gear gets made redundant and replaced.
Mr. Goodkat 11:33 PM - 20 January, 2016
it still works. many people are still using ttm 57s at gigs. its an old mixer, maybe do more research and remember how fast gear gets updated these days.
Ragman 11:59 PM - 20 January, 2016
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"Serato Dj works fine" is true. But it's little consolation for people who paid good money for a Rane TM57SL only to have the software upgraded to Serato-Dj and their expensive mixer outdated.
It's a consideration to take when investing in gear that's tied to software.

Ok, so what planet are you from? I can't believe you're bitching about something that is a norm with all devices, equipment and technology. You act like this is some new type of concept. That mixer was supported by Serato for almost a decade dude. Check the other DJ company's equipment, that's literally unheard of for a company to go that long on supporting outdated equipment. And quit blaming Serato for when a hardware company retires their equipment. Serato has no control over that and it would be fruitless and a waste of money for Serato to support retired equipment. Sheeesh! You guys get your panties in wad and come on this forum blowing a bunch of hot air without doing any research or using any logic. It gets frickin' tiring after awhile.

And DJ Tecniq quit co-signing all this crazy nonsense. How many times have Serato posted a retort to some uninformed twit that you blindly agreed with, only for you to look like a dumba** and then apologize for your ignorance.
LJ_WOOLSEY 12:02 AM - 21 January, 2016
^ can we make that post a sticky haha nailed it
DJ Tecniq 1:56 AM - 21 January, 2016
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And DJ Tecniq quit co-signing all this crazy nonsense. How many times have Serato posted a retort to some uninformed twit that you blindly agreed with, only for you to look like a dumba** and then apologize for your ignorance.
You're right that's why everything is going on sale for Serato...Is that a coincidence?
DJ Compiler 1:58 AM - 21 January, 2016
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And DJ Tecniq quit co-signing all this crazy nonsense. How many times have Serato posted a retort to some uninformed twit that you blindly agreed with, only for you to look like a dumba** and then apologize for your ignorance.
You're right that's why everything is going on sale for Serato...Is that a coincidence?


Definitely couldn't be them trying to appeal to people with holiday money to spend on new software...
DJ Tecniq 2:09 AM - 21 January, 2016
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And DJ Tecniq quit co-signing all this crazy nonsense. How many times have Serato posted a retort to some uninformed twit that you blindly agreed with, only for you to look like a dumba** and then apologize for your ignorance.
You're right that's why everything is going on sale for Serato...Is that a coincidence?


Definitely couldn't be them trying to appeal to people with holiday money to spend on new software...
No could be cause there's no support for most rane devices on El Capitan ;)
lindsaymar 2:55 AM - 21 January, 2016
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"Serato Dj works fine" is true. But it's little consolation for people who paid good money for a Rane TM57SL only to have the software upgraded to Serato-Dj and their expensive mixer outdated.
It's a consideration to take when investing in gear that's tied to software.

Ok, so what planet are you from? I can't believe you're bitching about something that is a norm with all devices, equipment and technology. You act like this is some new type of concept. That mixer was supported by Serato for almost a decade dude. Check the other DJ company's equipment, that's literally unheard of for a company to go that long on supporting outdated equipment. And quit blaming Serato for when a hardware company retires their equipment. Serato has no control over that and it would be fruitless and a waste of money for Serato to support retired equipment. Sheeesh! You guys get your panties in wad and come on this forum blowing a bunch of hot air without doing any research or using any logic. It gets frickin' tiring after awhile.

And DJ Tecniq quit co-signing all this crazy nonsense. How many times have Serato posted a retort to some uninformed twit that you blindly agreed with, only for you to look like a dumba** and then apologize for your ignorance.

Earth. Born and raised.
I don't think I was being ignorant and I keep my panties ironing-board straight.

I just stated that buying a high priced mixer that, in large part, is designed to work in conjunction with software runs the risk/inevitability of becoming outdated due to software upgrading that will leave the mixer outdated. Just something to take into consideration when dropping $1,700 for a mixer.
Yes the 57SL was released in 2006 but I'm glad I didn't buy one just before SSL became Serato DJ. Buying a S9 now would be smarter than waiting a few years to buy one.
... Or maybe buying an SP1 to compliment your current mixer might work better for some people.

Just my 2 cents. No need to get upset. I think everyone here thinks the S9 is a lovely mixer if they've read this far in to the comments.
DJ Compiler 2:55 AM - 21 January, 2016
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And DJ Tecniq quit co-signing all this crazy nonsense. How many times have Serato posted a retort to some uninformed twit that you blindly agreed with, only for you to look like a dumba** and then apologize for your ignorance.
You're right that's why everything is going on sale for Serato...Is that a coincidence?


Definitely couldn't be them trying to appeal to people with holiday money to spend on new software...
No could be cause there's no support for most rane devices on El Capitan ;)


Kinda ironic that the same people upgrading to El Capitan as soon as it comes out are the same ones complaining about "having" to upgrade to Serato
DJ Tecniq 4:15 AM - 21 January, 2016
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And DJ Tecniq quit co-signing all this crazy nonsense. How many times have Serato posted a retort to some uninformed twit that you blindly agreed with, only for you to look like a dumba** and then apologize for your ignorance.
You're right that's why everything is going on sale for Serato...Is that a coincidence?


Definitely couldn't be them trying to appeal to people with holiday money to spend on new software...
No could be cause there's no support for most rane devices on El Capitan ;)


Kinda ironic that the same people upgrading to El Capitan as soon as it comes out are the same ones complaining about "having" to upgrade to Serato
I never upgraded to El Capitan I read the fine print. There is no Serato box that is currently compatible with it yet. I never update my OS X as soon as it comes out likely there are bound to be bugs. Go figure👍🏻
djmacklong 10:02 PM - 22 January, 2016
I dumped my S9. 62 is a far better mixer for me.
Djaward 8:56 PM - 25 January, 2016
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What was wrong with your S9?
Ragman 10:53 PM - 25 January, 2016
I dumped my 62 and went with the S9. It's a beast. The workflow is amazingly simplistic and well thought out.
thorissr 11:14 PM - 25 January, 2016
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I dumped my 62 and went with the S9. It's a beast. The workflow is amazingly simplistic and well thought out.


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deejdave 11:31 PM - 25 January, 2016
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I dumped my 62 and went with the S9. It's a beast. The workflow is amazingly simplistic and well thought out.

This seems to be the more common move.
Culprit 10:46 AM - 26 January, 2016
Not everyone was happy with the S9. I love mine.
Culprit 10:50 AM - 26 January, 2016
Also, I still love my 57SL. If it works, keep it. Serato DJ doesn't have mixtape, and on the 57SL nothing comes close to it. Nothing.
popnwave 9:23 PM - 27 January, 2016
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I just stated that buying a high priced mixer that, in large part, is designed to work in conjunction with software runs the risk/inevitability of becoming outdated due to software upgrading that will leave the mixer outdated. Just something to take into consideration when dropping $1,700 for a mixer.


Dude, try coming from the video realm. You think $1700 is bank for a mixer? I bought the DVJ-X1s when they came out and they were $3500/each that's 2 decks with NO mixer.

You can't be on top of everything tech wise, it's a losing game. You get the EQ that does the job you want it to do and you ride it hard until there's a generation or two leap that makes it worth while to you.
popnwave 9:54 PM - 27 January, 2016
Here you go, take a walk on the wild sideeeeeeee:

appleinsider.com
Ragman 9:55 PM - 27 January, 2016
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I just stated that buying a high priced mixer that, in large part, is designed to work in conjunction with software runs the risk/inevitability of becoming outdated due to software upgrading that will leave the mixer outdated. Just something to take into consideration when dropping $1,700 for a mixer.

Whereas I understand the point you're hoping to make, this statement is a little deceiving. Outdated software does not mean the mixer and software will cease to work. There are many of us using the retired 57SL with SSL and still quite happy due to awesome stability. Last I checked the 57 was very pricey as well when it was out, and it is also relegated to SSL for the full mixer experience.



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You can't be on top of everything tech wise, it's a losing game. You get the EQ that does the job you want it to do and you ride it hard until there's a generation or two leap that makes it worth while to you.

Good point ...
djmacklong 11:06 AM - 30 January, 2016
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What was wrong with your S9?


I was having audio dropout/stutter/latency issues with it, but I've determined that it's got to be a driver issue with Pioneer. My SZ used to have the same issues but have been remedied (after about 18 months or so), but I'm not willing to wait around for that to happen. My 62 runs 100% flawlessly on SDJ.

And to answer the impending questions ahead of time, i'm running at 15" i7 Retina with 2.6/3.7ghz (turbo), 16gb RAM, and a 512gb SSD. There are zero reasons for why I should have any performance issues whatsoever.

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This seems to be the more common move.


I really did like the workflow, save for the cue section. That was really poorly thought out.

I don't know that dumping the 62 for the S9 is the common move. Most everyone in the Seattle area is pretty "meh" on the S9 in comparison to the 62. I do love the drum pads and the effects paddles and all that though.
Djkom 6:28 PM - 30 January, 2016
Watchwww.youtube.com

An expert eye will see what software DJ QBERT has used during this video ;-) (tip: it's around 20m15s)
DVS with a box or direct with the mixer???
Culprit 4:13 AM - 31 January, 2016
Can't really tell
blackavenger 4:14 AM - 31 January, 2016
As usual w' him, It's Traktor. The bottom box behind the mixer looks like it could be Audio 8.
Djkom 9:12 AM - 31 January, 2016
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As usual w' him, It's Traktor. The bottom box behind the mixer looks like it could be Audio 8.


Nope, if you look closer you will notice DJM S9 source selector is on USB A channel 1 (remember QBERT use to inverse the crossfader channels).

More over during the whole set he hits many times the cue buttons.

So I think there's a hack that allows to use the mixer as a "certified Traktor mixer"
JaeOneMusic 10:56 AM - 31 January, 2016
The Loop section on the S9 is super wack compared to the 62 IMO.

The custom loop tools all require use of the shift function. Meh.
Ragman 3:00 PM - 31 January, 2016
^Have to agree with you on the loop. And it's a little wacky when I disengage a loop. I have to hit the loop button twice to remove it. I'll probably submit a ticket on that.
the SOUNDINSURGENT 4:40 PM - 31 January, 2016
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An expert eye will see what software DJ QBERT has used during this video ;-) (tip: it's around 20m15s)
DVS with a box or direct with the mixer???


He looks really unsure of what the buttons do, he doesn't look comfortable at all, lol!!
Deejay Silence 6:52 PM - 1 February, 2016
im trying to figger out how to recall a stored loop on the S9??

is it even possible?
The Return of Dj Sparky 7:57 PM - 1 February, 2016
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An expert eye will see what software DJ QBERT has used during this video ;-) (tip: it's around 20m15s)
DVS with a box or direct with the mixer???


He looks really unsure of what the buttons do, he doesn't look comfortable at all, lol!!


it appeared the same on a lot of the vids i saw him using the Z2
WarpNote 9:43 PM - 1 February, 2016
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is it even possible?

shift + loop active button.
Mr. Goodkat 10:39 PM - 1 February, 2016
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An expert eye will see what software DJ QBERT has used during this video ;-) (tip: it's around 20m15s)
DVS with a box or direct with the mixer???


He looks really unsure of what the buttons do, he doesn't look comfortable at all, lol!!


it appeared the same on a lot of the vids i saw him using the Z2


i know hes the GOAT scratcher, but whens the last time anybody saw q bert do anything good? all ive seen over the last 5+ years is him scratching weirdly off beat, which im sure is hella technical, difficult scratching and cutting), and being boring.
deejdave 12:30 AM - 2 February, 2016
In all fairness you just described so many scratch DJ's............... just sayin. But I agree as well. Watching that Pioneer video with 40 (or something like that) peeps I thought the same thing. I am finding the one's who incorporate performance pads much more enjoyable and creative.
Mr. Goodkat 12:37 AM - 2 February, 2016
he seems to do less and less musically and just looks out of place imo.

its like seeing an old house music producer that made tracks in the 90s but couldnt mix very well, really not be able to mix at all and have bad taste. i guess that would be AVH :P
choreezy 1:02 PM - 2 February, 2016
Question,

So is the browse knob not mappable to adjust the start/end point of loops?
I'm having trouble figuring this out. meanwhile the 62 has two knobs per channel that you can use to cycle through loops and adjust start and end points...

Having second thoughts about this mixer
nik39 2:01 PM - 2 February, 2016
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i know hes the GOAT scratcher, but whens the last time anybody saw q bert do anything good? all ive seen over the last 5+ years is him scratching weirdly off beat, which im sure is hella technical, difficult scratching and cutting), and being boring.

I disagree. Q is still funky.

But... Dj Revolution doesn't seem to be on point anymore, or its just my rhythmic feeling being not advanced enough to understand his flow and patterns. I want to add that I am a big DJ Revolution fan!! But that performance was not good IMHO.
popnwave 7:05 PM - 2 February, 2016
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he seems to do less and less musically and just looks out of place imo.

its like seeing an old house music producer that made tracks in the 90s but couldnt mix very well, really not be able to mix at all and have bad taste. i guess that would be AVH :P


As much as I love AVH, even through the Duck Sauce stuff, I can't handle his live sets...
djmacklong 9:16 PM - 2 February, 2016
I've never been a fan of DMC style performances. I'm much more into the Red Bull Threestyle stuff.
DJ SP (UK) 5:07 PM - 3 February, 2016
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The Loop section on the S9 is super wack compared to the 62 IMO.

The custom loop tools all require use of the shift function. Meh.


You could map manual loop controls to one of the user mods on the performance pads or re-map the loop controls entirely to your liking and move auto-loops to a user mode on the pads.

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Is this is reference to the 4 beat loop button? After creating a 4 beat loop, adjusting the size of the loop with the 1/2x and 2x buttons, hitting the 4 beat loop button again returns the loop to 4 beats instead of disengaging? You can change the behaviour of the loop controls in the S9 setting utility; you'll then be able to set your loop length with the 1/2x and 2x buttons, and the 4 beat loop button becomes a loop on/off button.
WarpNote 5:59 PM - 3 February, 2016
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Yup, that's how I've set up mine.
pdidy 6:39 PM - 3 February, 2016
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i know hes the GOAT scratcher, but whens the last time anybody saw q bert do anything good? all ive seen over the last 5+ years is him scratching weirdly off beat, which im sure is hella technical, difficult scratching and cutting), and being boring.

I made a thread about that a few years ago and I'm pretty sure a few forum members wanted to physically cause me bodily harm, so be careful what you say about qbert........lol
J.J. 7:40 PM - 3 February, 2016
Qbert advanced style is difficult to comprehend, even for me. The more time I put in scratching, juggling and beat making, the more I appreciate his advanced skills. This is why I think most Turntabalist put him on a untouched pedestal. To the untrained ear, a phenomenal live orchestra sounds like noise.

I truly enjoy it when he slows it down for his training videos. But once he goes full retard, I'm lost. It takes me a few seconds to realize that his beat/scratch repetition is a musical complicated pattern.

Truthfully, I love his old routines that included 2 turntables. He didn't always sound like a perfect DAW with quantized beats, he actually had human errors.
spike12 10:44 PM - 3 February, 2016
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compare the first two minutes to the last two minutes of his routine.. I think this exemplifies your post.
Ragman 11:30 PM - 3 February, 2016
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^Have to agree with you on the loop. And it's a little wacky when I disengage a loop. I have to hit the loop button twice to remove it. I'll probably submit a ticket on that.


Is this is reference to the 4 beat loop button? After creating a 4 beat loop, adjusting the size of the loop with the 1/2x and 2x buttons, hitting the 4 beat loop button again returns the loop to 4 beats instead of disengaging? You can change the behaviour of the loop controls in the S9 setting utility; you'll then be able to set your loop length with the 1/2x and 2x buttons, and the 4 beat loop button becomes a loop on/off button.

Ahhhh ok thank you very much. ;-)
WarpNote 6:52 AM - 4 February, 2016
I have the utmost respect for Q, but I can't help feeling the same as I did when hearing technical guitar solos from hair metal bands in the 80s, more a display of "jerking" than a musical feeling to be honest. I can get the same feeling listening to some technical jazz musicians too. The level of progressiveness kinda takes over, and I feel the musical expression suffers.

I get that others will feel different, its just my personal opinion.
DJ dVO 3:49 PM - 4 February, 2016
Looking to pick up an S9. Anyone knows where I can get one at a very competitive price? Hook me up please....
djmacklong 5:14 PM - 4 February, 2016
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agiprodj.com

great price, no tax, free shipping.
Mr. Goodkat 5:21 PM - 4 February, 2016
how low has it got? 1500? or cheaper?
Culprit 6:29 PM - 4 February, 2016
black friday deal at GC when it first came out was $1538. AGIPRODJ is your best bet, unless you good friends with jazzy jeff or q-bert.
djmacklong 6:43 PM - 4 February, 2016
You're not gonna find it for less than AGIPRODJ.
DJ_X_Trodinaire 7:09 PM - 4 February, 2016
+1 agiprodj ask for Kevin
DJ dVO 8:16 PM - 4 February, 2016
Thanks, guys. PSSL is also pretty competitive.
DJ Tecniq 10:42 PM - 4 February, 2016
turntablelab quoted me 10% off cause there was a problem with their site. AgiPro even matched it as well. Both great choices :)
blackavenger 2:39 AM - 5 February, 2016
If you're on the East Coast....

www.proaudiostar.com
deejdave 2:40 AM - 5 February, 2016
Usually get best price from AGI then take said price and get 110% price match guarantee from thedjhookup.com Tell them DJ Dave from Serato Forums sent you :)
J.J. 5:16 AM - 5 February, 2016
www.AGIProDJ.com

I concur with djmacklong and everyone else. Great price, no tax and free shipping. I can talk to them about lighting, lasers, DMX software and audio equipment because they are all DJ's.
Mr. Goodkat 8:04 AM - 5 February, 2016
got a good/great deal used today.


i was about to start writing about this, but it would take forever.


this is kind of like having a sports car instead of a suv or 4 door car. may not be practical for some but its fun and suited for performance

I think this is the new ttm 57, if people will accept Pioneer(which never seems to happen).
DJ dVO 2:27 PM - 5 February, 2016
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True dat! I was going to get the 57mk2 but need DVS "enabled" not "ready". Plus I find the S9 is very versatile.
J.J. 3:33 PM - 5 February, 2016
Nice Mr. Goodkat. I would have bought it if the upfaders were the same quality as the crossfader.
Mr. Goodkat 5:11 PM - 5 February, 2016
for house and techno, the upfaders are actually nicer (imo) than the SRT for mixing.

to me they are smoother than the srt.

its weird because the srt had those loose faders, kinda more along the style of battle mixer and the s9 has the smooth upfaders that seem more like 4 channel house/techno mixer would want.

I did try a new 900 nxs once and their upfaders, new, seemed kinda too heavy, but those seem to break in fairly quickly. the crossfader i always thought was really light on the nxs.
Culprit 5:24 PM - 5 February, 2016
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True dat! I was going to get the 57mk2 but need DVS "enabled" not "ready". Plus I find the S9 is very versatile.


The 57mk2 is unlocked, don't need to purchase anything for DVS
DJ dVO 5:28 PM - 5 February, 2016
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True dat! I was going to get the 57mk2 but need DVS "enabled" not "ready". Plus I find the S9 is very versatile.


The 57mk2 is unlocked, don't need to purchase anything for DVS


My mistake. The 57mk2 is also DVS "enabled".
lindsaymar 5:33 PM - 6 February, 2016
I know there's a lot of love for the S9 in this thread. I'm just gonna share my experience of using it for a week before returning it. No hate. Just my 2 cents. Keep in mind that I'm coming from a DJM 800 with Dicers and wanted a mixer that was not only good for scratchnig but also for mixing. So a different perspective than most here I assume.

BUGS: Some of the bugs I found were certain buttons would cause the pads to change to user modes (problem cleared up by itself after a few uses).
One time Serato was unhappy with both of my vinyl trackings. After cleaning needles/records and going through my usual fixes it didn't fix the problem. Unplugging the S9 and plugging it back in fixed it?!!!?
Echo hardware effect was inconsistent whether it would change the echo's beat tail parameter. Sometimes it would effect the tail other times it wouldn't after disengaging the echo.
Too many issues for me to have with this mixer in 1 week.

MINOR ISSUES: If you engaged a [4 Beat Loop] then changed it's size using the [1/2x] or [2x] buttons, hitting the engaged/lighted [4 beat loop] button would *not* disengage the loop. It would change the loop to 4 beats (and jump the loop head with it) before allowing it to be disengaged by hitting the [4 beat loop] button a second time. (You'd have to [shift] + [4 beat loop] to disengage if you changed the loop size.) Alternatively you could change the settings so the [1/2x] & [2x] changes the loop size before you engage the [4 beat loop] button but then you'd have to check your laptop to know what size loop the [4 Beat Loop] button would engage.

Also using the [4 Beat Loop] button would shift your "loop bracket" over to 1/2,1,2,4 so when you went to roll mode the 4 buttons available for rolling on each deck would be 1/2,1,2, and 4. You'd have to parameter shift the roll function to be playing in a useful "loop bracket."
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All these issues could be fixed with firmware upgrades I'm sure but I didn't feel comfortable waiting to see if the issues would be fixed. It's too much money to have to cross my fingers.

That being said, The crossfader is dope! (User replaceability I've read may be an issue)
I both liked and disliked the echo and reverb on this mixer. Turning the dry/wet knob to full would create an endless tail on the echo and a long tail on the reverb. That's fun to play with but... being used to my djm 800 it was hard to use those effects in a subtle manner for mixing.
Coming from the DJM 800 I was looking forward to having DUB Echo on the filter knobs but having to have a 3rd party Pioneer app open to switch from Filter to Dub Echo made it too "far away" to make it easily useful.
I also missed the VU meters being located up by the EQ section - that's totally just a personal preference thing :)

Some people will love this mixer. I thought that I would.
I think if you're a straight scratch dj you may not be as fussed by some of my gripes about this mixer.

Just my 2 cents. It's a good mixer but I feel, I personally, get more from my djm 800 and some Dicers.
Mr. Goodkat 5:44 PM - 6 February, 2016
after using it last nite, i can tell you one thing. you need a light to see the controls well. now i was playing in a small club with a bad booth and bad lighting (although they paid cash, so thats fine) but you cant really see a thing important.

i had some midi message conflict or maybe its a bug, but when i midi map sdj, for some reason the left fader start gets some how conflicted midi wise and it starts the opposite channel. so i had to start a new midi mapping and couldnt use my x1 for the rest of the nite.

gonna try some things but still a very deep 2 channel mixer, i have a feeling its gonna take a few months to get completely used to it.
DJ Tecniq 5:46 PM - 6 February, 2016
^ Interesting points you've made. But I would not necessarily blame the mixer I would blame SDJ's poor software. SDJ is glitchy that is no lie and I see most issues coming from controller devices. DVS is not as tight as Scratchlive either I don't think it will ever live up to Scratchlive to be completely honest. Lastly did you make sure it was updated with the latest firmware? This is also why I'm considering the Z2 so I can still use both SDJ and SSL. Cause I have not been too happy with how DVS responds with SDJ...fx don't work right pitch fluctuations...etc
lindsaymar 5:56 PM - 6 February, 2016
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True! I do think most of the issues were communication between the S9 & SDJ. As far as communication goes, my Dicers are set up so much more intuitively (granted they're much simpler.)
And yes. I got the latest Firmware. This was a week ago (Late January/Early Feb 2016.)
DJ_X_Trodinaire 5:59 PM - 6 February, 2016
Midi conflict is definitely an issue with the S9 since day one. (reported already)
Still hate the fact you cannot separate channel 1 or 2 pads to different mode like on the DDJSP1 or DDJ series controller.
Mr. Goodkat 6:09 PM - 6 February, 2016
are there any known and documented midi conflicts? any links? this could be bad :(
DJ_X_Trodinaire 6:44 PM - 6 February, 2016
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I sent the report to serato but it is now a private help so it is not shown in the forum?
WarpNote 8:17 PM - 6 February, 2016
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Also using the [4 Beat Loop] button would shift your "loop bracket" over to 1/2,1,2,4 so when you went to roll mode the 4 buttons available for rolling on each deck would be 1/2,1,2, and 4. You'd have to parameter shift the roll function to be playing in a useful "loop bracket."

You do know that there is a an option in the setting utility to change the behaviour of that button, right? Basically you can set it to trigger the selected loop size on or off, working pretty much like the 62.

Like X_Trodinaire, Id love the pads to have separate modes for each channel,
for now, I use the dicers as a workaround.

Personally I haven't noticed much conflicts with the S9. I'm using the S9 with a Novation LanuchControl. However, I do have a midi conflict with the 62 and the Akai AFX....
lindsaymar 8:59 PM - 6 February, 2016
^^^^ I didn't know about the settings while I had it (& haven't used a 62) but read about the settings afterwards.
Still, I think it would be more intuitive to be able to hit [4 beat loop], change the size of the loop and then disengage with the [4 beat loop] button. Then next time I want a loop I know that the [4 beat loop] button is going to give me a 4 beat loop when I hit it.
As I understand it, if I change that setting I'll need to be checking my laptop screen to see what size my "4 beat loop" button's going to engage.

The unit I bought was an open box so I wonder if it was that individual unit that was having so many problems.

One thing I didn't mention was how clean the sound was from the S9. I was super impressed with that.
WarpNote 9:25 PM - 6 February, 2016
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Yep, but thats how most integrated controllers/mixers work anyway, with a few exceptions like the dicers, and to be honest, I tend to leave my loops at either 4 or 8 beats, changing them on the fly is super easy.

You probably were a bit unlucky, but some of that misfortune is also down to user. As said, I also have 62, and even the 900SRT (with the DDJ-SP1), but the S9 is probably the best Serato mixer I've ever used.
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ill agree with any mixer since i never really got my hands on any hi end rotaries other than a rane.

the sound is just different, and i think some people might think its kinda boomy and flat but thats what makes the scratching sound not too bright/harsh and/or digital.

i like the upfaders, regardless of them being magnetic or not, they have a smoothness not in the SRT and the knob control for the upfaders is what ive been wanting forever instead of a 3 setting option, which was really dated in performance and technology. The upfaders go to an almost immediate open or close, which ive never used on a pioneer mixer (used only 3,5-900) but wanted them after i had a rane ttm 57 in o7(had 800/900 neither with that control).

The computer utility's ability to adjust the cut in for the xfader is beyond nice. Most people might think they want it really tight, but after last nite i remembered that its super easy to barely hit the xfader and blare the other channel, esp when quick mixing(not turning the channel all the way down or up). CHanged that mid set.

With many adjustable xfaders that have that issue or even ability to adjust manually, it would be more of a take apart the mixer and try a more time consuming process that may or may not yield easily accurate results i.e. even if does work properly, its not at say a setting of .4mm or .10mm accuracy level. I set it back to the orig value it came with and no issues for the rest of the night.

its not a bullet proof mixer and i think it might take about 60 days/gigs of frequent use to really get used to a work flow, but its probably the perfect open format, live blend/mashup, quick mix type dj mixer.

im sure ill find some more pluses and minuses. ill continue to post both. really waiting for something obivious make me hate this mixer, but so far so good.
Mr. Goodkat 11:56 PM - 6 February, 2016
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ill agree with any mixer since i never really got my hands on any hi end rotaries other than a rane.

the sound is just different, and i think some people might think its kinda boomy and flat but thats what makes the scratching sound not too bright/harsh and/or digital.

i like the upfaders, regardless of them being magnetic or not, they have a smoothness not in the SRT and the knob control for the upfaders is what ive been wanting forever instead of a 3 setting option, which was really dated in performance and technology. The upfaders go to an almost immediate open or close, which ive never used on a pioneer mixer (used only 3,5-900) but wanted them after i had a rane ttm 57 in o7(had 800/900 neither with that control).

The computer utility's ability to adjust the cut in for the xfader is beyond nice. Most people might think they want it really tight, but after last nite i remembered that its super easy to barely hit the xfader and blare the other channel, esp when quick mixing(not turning the channel all the way down or up). CHanged that mid set.

With many adjustable xfaders that have that issue or even ability to adjust manually, it would be more of a take apart the mixer and try a more time consuming process that may or may not yield easily accurate results i.e. even if does work properly, its not at say a setting of .4mm or .10mm accuracy level. I set it back to the orig value it came with and no issues for the rest of the night.

its not a bullet proof mixer and i think it might take about 60 days/gigs of frequent use to really get used to a work flow, but its probably the perfect open format, live blend/mashup, quick mix type dj mixer.

im sure ill find some more pluses and minuses. ill continue to post both. really waiting for something obivious make me hate this mixer, but so far so good.
WarpNote 9:39 AM - 7 February, 2016
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The computer utility's ability to adjust the cut in for the xfader is beyond nice. Most people might think they want it really tight, but after last nite i remembered that its super easy to barely hit the xfader and blare the other channel, esp when quick mixing

100% agree on that. I leave it at the default 1mm setting, feels just about right for me.
Also, I relly thought I would prefer a super loose tension on the crossfader, turns out I normally set it to about 1 o'clock.

One thing to keep in mind with this mixer, whenever I take it out of the case/gigbag, the dials/switches on the front panel (revers, curves, mic) all seem to have moved around, so it's very import to dial them in before starting the set. More so with this mixer than the 62 in my experience....
lindsaymar 3:51 PM - 7 February, 2016
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As I understand it, if I change that setting I'll need to be checking my laptop screen to see what size my "4 beat loop" button's going to engage.

Yep, but thats how most integrated controllers/mixers work anyway, with a few exceptions like the dicers, and to be honest, I tend to leave my loops at either 4 or 8 beats, changing them on the fly is super easy.


Does that mean if you go to use Loop Roll on your pads that the 'loop bracket' may be (1,2,4,8) which renders the roll feature useless until you parameter shift it down a couple of times?
The Dicers are so old now that I just assumed the newer midi functions on newer gear would be really tight & intuitive. I was straight up surprised.
I was eyeing up the sp1 since it came out but after playing with the S9 pads I think the good old Dicers meet my workflow better.
WarpNote 4:05 PM - 7 February, 2016
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Does that mean if you go to use Loop Roll on your pads that the 'loop bracket' may be (1,2,4,8) which renders the roll feature useless until you parameter shift it down a couple of times?

Yep, but you can map the 4 extra pages of the pads to do loop rolls or whatever, if thats what you're after :D

You can probably tell Im a gearwhore by now, right..? lol.

Anyway, I also have both the dicers and the SP1, the pads on the SP1 is the best pads I ever tried with serato, even better than the S9 pads IMO as they are bigger size, makes them super responsive/playable. But the SP1 does not have extra pages for midi mapping. I heard someone managed to do a special midi s9 mapping, probably Quartz from Canada, but I believe it was an elaborate process...
Jason S 8:49 PM - 7 February, 2016
I've been using the S9 for a couple of weeks now and have to say that it really ticks the boxes for me as a scratch mixer and can handle something a little different (posted a house music mix just today). I've owned Rane, Numark, Akai and Vestax in the past and the sound quality of this mixer is extraordinary. The fader (after using a Rane 57) is incredibly light and accurate and I can carry off crabs, chirps and all that good stuff with so much less effort.. It is worth fiddling with the Pioneer utility settings though and took me a while to be happy with the cut-in distance. The only thing I am struggling with a little is working out how to use the user modes properly (display between the pads) as it constantly changes from hot cues to slicer without me touching anything.

Anybody seen any good tutorials on advanced use of the S9 yet..?
Mr. Goodkat 9:00 PM - 7 February, 2016
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Anybody seen any good tutorials on advanced use of the S9 yet..?


wheres konix when u need him? dude was the GOAT at dvs system tutorials.
WarpNote 9:25 PM - 7 February, 2016
Konix is mostly into techno music, I think he is running the mp2015 or the 64 these days.
blackavenger 4:09 AM - 8 February, 2016
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I think he is running the mp2015

Watchwww.youtube.com
WarpNote 6:36 AM - 8 February, 2016
Yep, there yo go. He is still a SDJ user aswell though :-)
Mr. Goodkat 3:44 PM - 8 February, 2016
after reading the pio forum on the s9, the first few months must have been rough as far as bugs go.

Since i just got mine, i had to reinstall SDJ, and update the firmware again, but things seem fine now.

any major bugs i should be looking for ?

did they ever commit the s9 to being able to use with rekordbox dvs? seems like its just a SDJ mixer as far as the sound cards are concerned.
Konix 6:35 PM - 8 February, 2016
I'll be more than happy to make some videos if someone wants to loan me their S9 for a couple weeks :)

I use everything, SDJ, Traktor, Rekordbox, Ableton.

Ok, no Virtual DJ :P
Mr. Goodkat 10:19 PM - 8 February, 2016
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I'll be more than happy to make some videos if someone wants to loan me their S9 for a couple weeks :)

I use everything, SDJ, Traktor, Rekordbox, Ableton.

Ok, no Virtual DJ :P


somebody ship this man a mixer! stat
WarpNote 2:45 AM - 9 February, 2016
Mr. Goodkat, you did check out the Mojaxx DJCity TV review right?
-> Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Tecniq 5:44 AM - 9 February, 2016
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Mr. Goodkat, you did check out the Mojaxx DJCity TV review right?
-> Watchwww.youtube.com
Def beats having to replace the crossfader on the 62 all the time👍🏻
Deejay Silence 1:42 PM - 9 February, 2016
by the way...

Is it possible to make the multi colors go away and just use a single color on the s9 pads?
blackavenger 1:46 PM - 9 February, 2016
Just assign every function the same color.
Deejay Silence 2:25 PM - 9 February, 2016
sorry my bad... i mean in true vinyl mode is it also possible?

when its all green
Mr. Goodkat 12:57 AM - 10 February, 2016
If i have 10.8.5 should i install driver 1.01 for yosemite? its says for 1.8-10.10?

www.pioneerdj.com
Mr. Goodkat 12:58 AM - 10 February, 2016
current driver is 1.0

and mixer 1.06
WarpNote 7:34 AM - 10 February, 2016
If I had osx 1.8, I would probably update to yosemite, or at least mavericks.
Mr. Goodkat 7:49 AM - 10 February, 2016
yeah, im getting to yosemite, but the driver update said for 1.-1.10. tried to update and still said( in the utility) driver 1.00 instead of 1.01(the one for capitan is 1.1something).

waiting on updates for a few software upgrades, mainly ableton. says its should work but no official support in ableton 8 for 10.10.
Djaward 5:18 PM - 10 February, 2016
So the pads/effects on the S9, are they the same as the SP1?

I do a lot of mobile dj and currently have the SRT 900 + SP1 and I love it.

The SP1 is smooth and love using all the effects on it. Pads are really tough and very responsive. This thing was built to last.

The SRT effects are great too, although I find myself using the COLOR effects more than the beat effects. For any other effects I just use the SP1.

The SRT in a case huge, my turntables with cases and the SRT with case barely fits on a 4 foot table. Now Im looking to get a 2 channel mixer.

My perfect mixer would a 2 channel mixer with all the features of the SP1 built in it. When the S9 came out, I thought this mixer was it.

Are the pads, effects on the S9 the same as the SP1? I had the 62 and I did not like it. I didnt like the buttons (they seem small). I felt like I was using the SP1 effects more than the mixer effects. So I returned it and got the SRT.

My wife just gave me the OK to purchase a new mixer, so should I go ahead and get the S9?
Mr. Goodkat 5:51 PM - 10 February, 2016
its not as simple as the SRT and it doesnt have all the color efx but it has certain ways to use some of the same efx but in different ways.

ive had the srt and sp1, and for club mixing and booths with plenty of space it might be the best for you. I loved the SRT but thought the SP1 was too big and in the way for most situations.

the pads are smaller but not much(about 3/4 size, maybe there is a comparison online), still very drummable and are very sensitive.

i think you might want to use the mixer before quitting the srt. im not sure its for everyone and teh SRT is much more simple and overalll probably a better club/event mixer

the s9 is like your own personal mixer that you will want to customize to your taste, and i think there are a still a few bugs here and there, although most have been sorted.
utradar 5:57 PM - 10 February, 2016
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So the pads/effects on the S9, are they the same as the SP1?

I do a lot of mobile dj and currently have the SRT 900 + SP1 and I love it.

The SP1 is smooth and love using all the effects on it. Pads are really tough and very responsive. This thing was built to last.

The SRT effects are great too, although I find myself using the COLOR effects more than the beat effects. For any other effects I just use the SP1.

The SRT in a case huge, my turntables with cases and the SRT with case barely fits on a 4 foot table. Now Im looking to get a 2 channel mixer.

My perfect mixer would a 2 channel mixer with all the features of the SP1 built in it. When the S9 came out, I thought this mixer was it.

Are the pads, effects on the S9 the same as the SP1? I had the 62 and I did not like it. I didnt like the buttons (they seem small). I felt like I was using the SP1 effects more than the mixer effects. So I returned it and got the SRT.

My wife just gave me the OK to purchase a new mixer, so should I go ahead and get the S9?


Comparing the S9 to SP1, the thing I don't like is that when you choose cue points, the cue points are deck 1 & 2, whereas the SP1, you could choose cue points for deck 1 and have something else loaded on deck 2 like the SP6. There is midi mapping of the pads but I haven't tried to really mess with it yet.

you also can't combine the effects. With the SP1, couldn't you trigger the 3 FX's at once? I don't really find this an problem for me though. I do like the Pioneer effects.
Mr. Goodkat 5:58 PM - 10 February, 2016
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you also can't combine the effects. With the SP1, couldn't you trigger the 3 FX's at once?


i was thinking that too, but i think you could do 2 if you set the filter to an effect, which there are about 6 i think.
utradar 6:15 PM - 10 February, 2016
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you also can't combine the effects. With the SP1, couldn't you trigger the 3 FX's at once?


i was thinking that too, but i think you could do 2 if you set the filter to an effect, which there are about 6 i think.


correct, forgot about that..the 2 silver knobs for each channel.
Scott S 12:18 AM - 11 February, 2016
Personally I prefer the pads on DJM-S9 compared to the DDJ-SP1. They feel softer, and more solid. The pads on the DDJ-SP1 are the same size and material used in the DDJ-SX and DDJ-SX2 controllers (DDJ-SZ has larger pads than all three).

The DJM-S9 pads are slightly smaller than DDJ-SR pads, but I reckon they have a far more responsive feel and are great for finger drumming (if you're into that!).

Cheers
Mr. Goodkat 12:28 AM - 11 February, 2016
its a dope mixer, but im not using it out at my big residency till im completely dialed in. tried last weekend at a slow gig(cuz i knew it i would be slow) and def ran into some midi problems with my x1 and you def need lighting untill you get to know it.
WarpNote 4:00 AM - 11 February, 2016
@djaward, its fair to say that the SP1 and S9 pads has pretty much the same feel and responsiveness. The SP1 pads are a lot bigger, and if you do elaborate hardcore cue drumming you might find the SP1 slightly easier to work with. Personally, I love both, and I really like the rgb light on the S9.

If you are into layering fx, you might wanna hold on to your SRT, as the S9 only does 1 effect at the time, it even alters the behaviuor of the SP1/software fx so that you cant layer them. Serato, if you're reading, would love to have an option to set the software fx behaviour back to normal with the S9, even if it means pre fader fx only. :D

Anyway, I do have both the SRT, S9, 62, SP1, DDJ-SX (and a pile of midi stuff).
As I normally only play 2 decks, Im thinking about letting the SRT go.

You should try out the S9 before you buy. And if fx is your thing maybe the 900NEXUS mk2 is better suited. However, you would have to wait and see if the club kit is gonna be suported for that mixer.

All in all, for me, the S9 is probably my favorite right now, the 62 and SRT/SP1 combo closely in at second place.
Djaward 7:03 PM - 11 February, 2016
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its not as simple as the SRT and it doesnt have all the color efx but it has certain ways to use some of the same efx but in different ways.

ive had the srt and sp1, and for club mixing and booths with plenty of space it might be the best for you. I loved the SRT but thought the SP1 was too big and in the way for most situations.

the pads are smaller but not much(about 3/4 size, maybe there is a comparison online), still very drummable and are very sensitive.

i think you might want to use the mixer before quitting the srt. im not sure its for everyone and teh SRT is much more simple and overalll probably a better club/event mixer

the s9 is like your own personal mixer that you will want to customize to your taste, and i think there are a still a few bugs here and there, although most have been sorted.

Im not quitting the SRT. The SRT and the SP1 will be a stay home set up. I have a pair of fresh MK5s that are missing a mixer so thats where it will go.

I purchased the SRT because when I do spin at clubs or big events, they usually require a 900 or four channel mixer. Before my SRT, I felt lost mixing on a 900 and it was rare for me to use one so I bought one. I got rid of my OG 57 and upgraded.

I love the SRT and SP1 but again, it feels too big. I dont need a 4 channel mixer for weddings, I can get away with a 2 channel. I just want the 2 channel to have the effects and buttons as the SRT and SP1 combined.

By Purchasing the S9, I will eliminate a controller, 2 laptop stands (getting a case with built in stand), free up a USB and getting a smaller case for my 4 foot table. Might not be a lot to some but for me thats major space and easy set up.

I appreciate your information though. It was helpful and did answer my questions.


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@djaward, its fair to say that the SP1 and S9 pads has pretty much the same feel and responsiveness. The SP1 pads are a lot bigger, and if you do elaborate hardcore cue drumming you might find the SP1 slightly easier to work with. Personally, I love both, and I really like the rgb light on the S9.

If you are into layering fx, you might wanna hold on to your SRT, as the S9 only does 1 effect at the time, it even alters the behaviuor of the SP1/software fx so that you cant layer them. Serato, if you're reading, would love to have an option to set the software fx behaviour back to normal with the S9, even if it means pre fader fx only. :D

Anyway, I do have both the SRT, S9, 62, SP1, DDJ-SX (and a pile of midi stuff).
As I normally only play 2 decks, Im thinking about letting the SRT go.

You should try out the S9 before you buy. And if fx is your thing maybe the 900NEXUS mk2 is better suited. However, you would have to wait and see if the club kit is gonna be suported for that mixer.

All in all, for me, the S9 is probably my favorite right now, the 62 and SRT/SP1 combo closely in at second place.

Thanks for responding. Im glad you mentioned the RGB lighting on the S9. Thats one thing I wish the SP1 had. Theres been many times where I accidentally hit the wrong cue.

As far as the effects goes, I usually do not layer my effects. WhenI use effects on the 900 I usually use the filter, noise and some times echo out. The echo on the SRT seems loud compared to the echo on the SP1, so I just use the SP1. Im not much of an effect guy, I know theres a lot I can do with the 900 and SP1 combined but I like to keep it simple. My transitions are smooth where I dont need to use many effects to get out of a track.


Since you have the 62 and the S9, which do you like more? Ive been wanted to ask this questions to an owner like you. You have both in hand, is there something about the 62 you dont like? I myself wished the 62 had more cue points. SDJ has 8, 62 has 5. That was one big turn off for me. I felt like all the buttons were scattered on the 62 and to be honest.

Thanks again for the info, really do appreciate it.
WarpNote 8:03 PM - 11 February, 2016
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Since you have the 62 and the S9, which do you like more?
Right now, the S9 is my favourite, the 62 coming in on a very close second. Actually sharing second with the SRT, but for other reasons. As its hard to compare a 4ch against a 2ch mixer...

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is there something about the 62 you dont like?
Its very nice, but same things you mention, number of cues, size and feel of the buttons compared to the S9 pads. No slicer, but I don't use the slicer very often to tell you the truth. No native control over beat jump, but that can be mapped to any of the other midi layers. Not so fan of the plastic pots, (the OG 57 had metal pots) as my filter knobs/pots are getting worn, and will probably need to switch them out. (Previous owner was heavy handed...)

When it comes to the S9, there is a lot of plastic inside it, so only time will tell how long it will hold up. It does feel solid enough, and it doesn't get as warm as the SRT, but still a little warmer than the 62.

To be honest, the 62 is very intuitive once you get to use it, but so is the S9. ;-)
Mr. Goodkat 6:12 PM - 12 February, 2016
anyone using el capitan with this mixer? if so hows it going?
RIDDIMNBLUES 5:13 PM - 13 February, 2016
can the echo out on the s9 be triggered easier than the 62? seen a dj using the s9 the other day and the echo out sounds amazing and it seems like it can be triggered very easily as he echo out songs..
Mr. Goodkat 5:33 PM - 13 February, 2016
it just seems really clean, you completely close the up or x fader to hear it. the efx just have a single toggle thats basically a big on off switch so i guess it is pretty simple.



the efx have a little more control than most pioneer efx because its not just wet dry and parameter or beat adjment, there are other adjustments. ex. The Echo and Reverb have a hi pass filter you can adjust from 1-10. Even the filter has resonance control in the pioneer utility.
DJ Quartz 1:46 AM - 14 February, 2016
We had JFB perform at the residency last night and I just needed to see it in person.

I've been leaning towards it more and more but see him beating on it and it worked flawlessly.

SOLD!
Djaward 6:12 PM - 4 March, 2016
If you guys had to chose between an S9 or a brand new Mac, which would you go with?

My mac is a mid 2010.

My current mixer is a 900 SRT.

I have 2 Technics MK5s that are in my bedroom waiting for a mixer. I truly hate connecting and reconnecting my SRT because I have gigs 3 weekends every month. I want something to practice on but I also want to upgrade my Mac.

I cant do both because I dont have that kind of money, but I have saved up enough to get only ONE.
DJ Quartz 6:36 PM - 4 March, 2016
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We had JFB perform at the residency last night and I just needed to see it in person.

I've been leaning towards it more and more but see him beating on it and it worked flawlessly.

SOLD!


I have to bow out because I got a used 62 instead.
WarpNote 6:44 PM - 4 March, 2016
What mixers are your'e venues running? If they have club kit ready mixers, remember you could install the kit, and leave the hardware at home...

I actually have 2 setups at home, one in the bedroom, cdjs & 900srt, the other in the living room, turntables & S9/62. I always keep the extra mixer in a case ready to go out. I still have my SL4 too, so I can bring it instead. Needless to say, I'm becoming a gearwhore, I do love the options though, and just connecting using the club kit has been really convenient for me....

Your Mac is probably getting a little long in the tooth, but will probably survive a year or two still?

Another cheap way of practicing at home is the AKAI AMX, not great, but still a nice buy for the price IMO.
Mr. Goodkat 6:47 PM - 4 March, 2016
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If you guys had to chose between an S9 or a brand new Mac, which would you go with?

My mac is a mid 2010.

My current mixer is a 900 SRT.


id personally get a loaded 13 mbp.

its close but id get cheaper mixer at home.

not gonna lie, the s9 is fun. im gonna try to write my own review soon.(actually did it and acc. erased the whole thing) :(
lindsaymar 8:12 PM - 8 March, 2016
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If you guys had to chose between an S9 or a brand new Mac, which would you go with?

My mac is a mid 2010.

My current mixer is a 900 SRT.


id personally get a loaded 13 mbp.

its close but id get cheaper mixer at home.

not gonna lie, the s9 is fun. im gonna try to write my own review soon.(actually did it and acc. erased the whole thing) :(

Wait a little longer. I beleive we'll see a new Macbook Pro released around the end of March.

The 900 SRT's a great mixer. I'd go the Macbook. (In my personal experience, I didn't like the overall feel of the S9 after upgrading from the DJM 800 and ended up sticking with the 800.)
LJ_WOOLSEY 8:31 PM - 8 March, 2016
New Macbooks normally bring new issues so just food for thought.
popnwave 8:59 PM - 8 March, 2016
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New Macbooks normally bring new issues so just food for thought.


I certainly wouldn't touch one tied to El Cap until that is way behind us.
Mr. Goodkat 9:01 PM - 8 March, 2016
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New Macbooks normally bring new issues so just food for thought.


exactly.
Mr. Goodkat 9:03 PM - 8 March, 2016
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The 900 SRT's a great mixer. I'd go the Macbook. (In my personal experience, I didn't like the overall feel of the S9 after upgrading from the DJM 800 and ended up sticking with the 800.)


it def takes a while to get the work flow going, im about a month in, it will take 4-6 months for me.
WarpNote 8:01 AM - 9 March, 2016
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it def takes a while to get the work flow going, im about a month in, it will take 4-6 months for me.

It really depends on what you are used to play on. If coming from a 4 channel pioneer, sure. But if you've been playing on s 62, then you should feel at home pretty fast IMO.
nik39 8:14 AM - 9 March, 2016
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New Macbooks normally bring new issues so just food for thought.


exactly.

+1
Mr. Goodkat 12:21 AM - 10 March, 2016
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it def takes a while to get the work flow going, im about a month in, it will take 4-6 months for me.

It really depends on what you are used to play on. If coming from a 4 channel pioneer, sure. But if you've been playing on s 62, then you should feel at home pretty fast IMO.


yeah, i came from a srt.

things to get used to for me

location of the pads, loops and scrolls

headphone cueing (had a 57 but 7 years ago)

the various pad modes in shift.

loading the track with the scroll should be -- scroll and push(push to double), but for some reason its switch back to the crate list

the darkness of the mixer upper panel in dark areas really makes you need to know the mixer well.

One simple mod i did to the mixer is the filter button is silver and i found in various lighting situations that the knob could look open or close in certain lighting. The center indent was there but it also looked like it was at 10 o'clock or 2' o'clock or about that range as you turned the filter knob. I plastidip sprayed the knobs, to make them black and then scraped off the white center marker and the edge of the knob. Its a small mod but it looks good and feels good. Plastidip is just spray rubber than can be removed after spraying, its used on boats and cars as well.
Ragman 4:25 AM - 10 March, 2016
^^^Or you could purchase 12Inch Skinz with the knob kit and keep the mixer in pristine condition for resell down the road.
DJ Tecniq 4:37 AM - 10 March, 2016
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^^^Or you could purchase 12Inch Skinz with the knob kit and keep the mixer in pristine condition for resell down the road.
Yes those skins are dope esp the S9 ones Watchwww.youtube.com
WarpNote 6:25 AM - 10 March, 2016
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loading the track with the scroll should be -- scroll and push(push to double), but for some reason its switch back to the crate list

the darkness of the mixer upper panel in dark areas really makes you need to know the mixer well.

I actually like the load botton (as introduced in the OG hc1000s, never liked the "push to load" setups myself. However, I believe you can midi-remap this to your liking now?

Agreed on the shiny black surface, not a huge fan. Maybe 12inch skin it? Mine is the gld ltd, so at least the filter knobs are clearly read.
Djaward 8:36 PM - 16 March, 2016
I finally did it. I ordered an S9 (Gold) today. Comes in tomorrow.
Ragman 2:16 AM - 17 March, 2016
^You're gonna love it dude ... ;-)
lumas13 7:37 PM - 17 March, 2016
^What he said
Djaward 5:58 AM - 19 March, 2016
My S9 will not play nice with my new Mac, please help.

I just purchased both and I can seem to get the S9 to go into the "CUSTOM" in the Audio tab.

I get an error that reads
"S9 Setting Utility Quit Unexpectedly"

The drivers and Firmware have been updated.

The specs on the Mac are
-Mid 2015, 15 inch retina display
-El Capitan 10.11.3
-16 gigs of Ram
-Serato dj 1.8.1

S9 is the Gold version if that matters.
Firmware 1.06

The S9 opens up in Serato and plays music. I just cant get into the Settings utility.

How can I fix this?
Mr. Goodkat 5:51 PM - 19 March, 2016
did you update drivers too?

i would try 1.82 and 1.9 beta as well
DJ Tecniq 7:17 PM - 19 March, 2016
I also recommend 1.8.2 SDJ latest version as It fixes a lot of issues with El Capitan. Hopefully it gets resolved.
Djaward 8:06 PM - 19 March, 2016
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did you update drivers too?

i would try 1.82 and 1.9 beta as well

Yes I did. I got the drivers from Pioneer.com

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I also recommend 1.8.2 SDJ latest version as It fixes a lot of issues with El Capitan. Hopefully it gets resolved.

I did and still nothing. It does not open up the Settings utility window. It tries but I get error messages.
Djaward 8:07 PM - 19 March, 2016
By the way,

Everything works great with my Mid 2010 Macbook Pro with Yosemite.
Mr. Goodkat 8:31 PM - 19 March, 2016
one thing that was noted was to be sure to use the uninstaller on any drivers before you install the new drivers.

you may have done that, but it took me a while to trip over that.

the uninstaller is in every driver package.
Djaward 8:47 PM - 19 March, 2016
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one thing that was noted was to be sure to use the uninstaller on any drivers before you install the new drivers.

you may have done that, but it took me a while to trip over that.

the uninstaller is in every driver package.

so uninstall before installing? Is that what youre telling me?
DJ Tecniq 9:48 PM - 19 March, 2016
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By the way,

Everything works great with my Mid 2010 Macbook Pro with Yosemite.
So this looks like a problem specific with pioneer and El Capitan. This is why I stayed far away from that OSX. I've heard so many issues with it.
Ragman 11:05 PM - 19 March, 2016
Just purchased an HP Envy 17t:

QC i7-6700HQ CPU
16G DDR3 RAM
4TB HDD (2 x 2TB)
4GB NVIDIA Graphic
Win10 Pro

SDJ and the S9 (as well as my NS7) runs excellent on this laptop, yet I got it for $1200+ less than a comparable MBP. I made sure I did my Windows optimization for SDJ and so far 3 gigs in and not one issue. Down the road I'll probably go with some SSDs for even better performance.
Djaward 5:04 AM - 20 March, 2016
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one thing that was noted was to be sure to use the uninstaller on any drivers before you install the new drivers.

you may have done that, but it took me a while to trip over that.

the uninstaller is in every driver package.

Mr. Goodkat, that trick worked. I uninstalled the driver and reinstalled it. everything now works with the New mac with El Capitan installed. Thanks for the tip.

@Serato people should post this somewhere.
Ragman 7:28 AM - 20 March, 2016
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one thing that was noted was to be sure to use the uninstaller on any drivers before you install the new drivers.

you may have done that, but it took me a while to trip over that.

the uninstaller is in every driver package.

Mr. Goodkat, that trick worked. I uninstalled the driver and reinstalled it. everything now works with the New mac with El Capitan installed. Thanks for the tip.

@Serato people should post this somewhere.

Good deal Djaward. Enjoy!
Mr. Goodkat 4:53 PM - 21 March, 2016
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one thing that was noted was to be sure to use the uninstaller on any drivers before you install the new drivers.

you may have done that, but it took me a while to trip over that.

the uninstaller is in every driver package.

Mr. Goodkat, that trick worked. I uninstalled the driver and reinstalled it. everything now works with the New mac with El Capitan installed. Thanks for the tip.

@Serato people should post this somewhere.



i posted it in my s9 review, i might add it in here from time to time

serato.com

lotta info and tips, some things that i've found, but i know there is still a lot to learn.
Mr. Goodkat 4:56 PM - 21 March, 2016
btw, anyone reading this, the online reviews are kinda, first look, very minimal reviews.

thats why i did mine, but it would help if its in a video. Mojaxx should go more in depth, since i think this mixer will be in the Serato DJ/Pioneer product line for a while.
Niro 4:39 PM - 24 March, 2016
Any of you guys running into this issue

www.facebook.com

Running latest drivers and firmware with Yosemite. After posting the video I had a few people contact me saying they're S9 has also been glitchy, but thought it was their usb coming loose or something and disregarded.
Culprit 6:58 PM - 24 March, 2016
its weird sometimes i run into the same problem with my dicers.
apricotandpearjam 3:39 PM - 1 April, 2016
I think I'm going to get this mixer... but...

Does anyone know if you can edit the onboard filters so you don't hear such a heavy resonance?
Mr. Goodkat 5:31 PM - 1 April, 2016
yes, you can take the resonance down in the utility(and mixer) and there is a wide filter as well with resonance control that can be assigned to the filter knob(along with/not at the same time, dub echo, pitch, noise).
apricotandpearjam 5:32 PM - 1 April, 2016
Thanks man.
bluefoot 3:08 PM - 11 April, 2016
Yo.

Got an S9 - love it - one simple question and forgive me if i'm being dumb...

Is there a way to open/close folders in the SDJ browser from the S9, i.e. without using the laptop mousepad?
Tommy Deem 10:42 PM - 11 April, 2016
Using the browsing/loading section on s9.
bluefoot 5:32 AM - 12 April, 2016
Cool. But which specific control opens and closes folders? Or should I say opens crates, so I can see sub crates.
Ragman 10:37 PM - 12 April, 2016
When you're on a crate that has sub-crates, press the Back button and it will expand the parent crate.
bluefoot 9:22 AM - 14 April, 2016
^confirmed, cheers.
djransom 6:16 PM - 14 April, 2016
Got this mixer a few weeks ago and absolutely love it!
Ragman 7:18 PM - 14 April, 2016
The only thing I not to thrilled about is how fast the paint wears away on the xfader. I really love this mixer other than that.
Djkom 1:17 PM - 15 April, 2016
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The only thing I not to thrilled about is how fast the paint wears away on the xfader. I really love this mixer other than that.


Damn right !!! Mine is not yet 3 months old, and look at the results :

www.facebook.com

Even the paint on the crossfader cap slowly wears away !!!
djransom 3:30 PM - 15 April, 2016
That's exactly why I had this skin put on mine to avoid this. I've thought about exchanging it for the 62 to avoid the issue altogether.

i2.photobucket.com
Ragman 5:27 PM - 15 April, 2016
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That's exactly why I had this skin put on mine to avoid this. I've thought about exchanging it for the 62 to avoid the issue altogether.

i2.photobucket.com

Ransom who did that for you 12inchSkinz or StyleFlip?
Niro 5:47 PM - 15 April, 2016
Hopefully those paint chips don't fall in the fader and mess it up. The fader isn't user replaceable and after the 1 year warranty runs out :(
djransom 7:22 PM - 15 April, 2016
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That's exactly why I had this skin put on mine to avoid this. I've thought about exchanging it for the 62 to avoid the issue altogether.

i2.photobucket.com

Ransom who did that for you 12inchSkinz or StyleFlip?


12inch...definitely worth the $55.
Mr. Goodkat 9:54 PM - 15 April, 2016
interesting placement of 8 cues vs the s9 8 cues

djworx.com
Mr. Goodkat 9:55 PM - 15 April, 2016
oops its a controller next to the mixer.
Culprit 11:01 PM - 15 April, 2016
those guys are def up to something with that bar. I like it.
WarpNote 4:24 PM - 16 April, 2016
Yeah they look interesting, especially for those running a basic mixer with an SL Box.
DJ Tecniq 7:01 AM - 5 May, 2016
I have one myself and absolutely love this mixer. Easy to learn and SDJ has been working quite well with it. Fader is pure butter :) Satisfied purchase!
Ragman 1:33 PM - 5 May, 2016
I knew you'd love it. Good to see some positive remarks from you concerning SDJ. ;-)
Ragman 1:39 PM - 5 May, 2016
By the way, over a short time the paint on the xfader cap starts to wear away if you're heavy into scratching. Still functional just not a good look, especially for how much this mixer cost. It's a proprietary fader cap, so the replacement part would be through Pioneer.
DJ Tecniq 4:36 PM - 5 May, 2016
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By the way, over a short time the paint on the xfader cap starts to wear away if you're heavy into scratching. Still functional just not a good look, especially for how much this mixer cost. It's a proprietary fader cap, so the replacement part would be through Pioneer.
All good I ordered a skin with custom fader caps which should be arriving today. My main concerns with SDJ are the echo fx, waveforms and auto gain is very gimmicky. However none of this seems to be a problem with the s9 considering I use the pioneer fx instead which are stellar.
Ragman 4:45 PM - 5 May, 2016
If you're talking about 12Inch Skinz, I looked into that and the caps do not include the fader caps (again that's because It's a Pioneer proprietary fader cap). it's in small print so hard to see on their website.
Mr. Goodkat 4:47 PM - 5 May, 2016
yeah, it would be part of the xfader. it will be interesting to see holds up in a few years with stuff like the magvel fader.
bluefoot 9:22 AM - 10 May, 2016
had a good time now running this S9 - it's dope. Truly is the evolved offspring of my old DJM909 battle mixer with all the functions of SDJ :)

Especially loving the ability to hot cue from a saved loop function (using shift + pad while in "saved loop" mode - never had that programmed to a button before.
Culprit 5:32 PM - 10 May, 2016
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had a good time now running this S9 - it's dope. Truly is the evolved offspring of my old DJM909 battle mixer with all the functions of SDJ :)

Especially loving the ability to hot cue from a saved loop function (using shift + pad while in "saved loop" mode - never had that programmed to a button before.


Dang man, i am so behind with my S9..
DJ Tecniq 5:18 AM - 11 May, 2016
Would of been cool to have slip mode on the s9. I figured it would but I guess that's mainly for controllers.
dibb 6:07 AM - 11 May, 2016
can't you midi map slip mode to one of the custom user definied banks?
DJ Tecniq 7:54 AM - 11 May, 2016
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can't you midi map slip mode to one of the custom user definied banks?
probably I'll have to try it. Not sure how to access slip mode in the program I do know there's a button on controllers for it though.
WarpNote 9:39 AM - 11 May, 2016
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can't you midi map slip mode to one of the custom user definied banks?
probably I'll have to try it. Not sure how to access slip mode in the program I do know there's a button on controllers for it though.

Tecniq, you can easily map it -> serato.com
DJ Tecniq 5:07 PM - 11 May, 2016
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can't you midi map slip mode to one of the custom user definied banks?
probably I'll have to try it. Not sure how to access slip mode in the program I do know there's a button on controllers for it though.

Tecniq, you can easily map it -> serato.com
Awesome thanks man. Wow I had no idea the slip feature was so old I should of been using it a long time ago😮
DJ Tecniq 12:40 AM - 12 May, 2016
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can't you midi map slip mode to one of the custom user definied banks?
probably I'll have to try it. Not sure how to access slip mode in the program I do know there's a button on controllers for it though.

Tecniq, you can easily map it -> serato.com
I didn't map it I just enabled it in sdj to always be on however It skips the audio when I'm scratching...Is it supposed to be like that?
spike12 12:56 AM - 12 May, 2016
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can't you midi map slip mode to one of the custom user definied banks?
probably I'll have to try it. Not sure how to access slip mode in the program I do know there's a button on controllers for it though.

Tecniq, you can easily map it -> serato.com
I didn't map it I just enabled it in sdj to always be on however It skips the audio when I'm scratching...Is it supposed to be like that?


Yes, that's the part thats slipping by when you scratch over it. It can act like a censor.
The Return of Dj Sparky 1:01 AM - 12 May, 2016
sounds like techniq doesn't understand what slip mode is
DJ Tecniq 1:19 AM - 12 May, 2016
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sounds like techniq doesn't understand what slip mode is
No i do but it does not work correctly with DVS. It like started from some random part in the song....
Tommy Deem 10:38 AM - 12 May, 2016
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sounds like techniq doesn't understand what slip mode is
No i do but it does not work correctly with DVS. It like started from some random part in the song....


and there is reason for that and it works same with controllers. Use one day to do some research and then come back if u have questions.
Mr. Goodkat 3:38 PM - 12 May, 2016
jeez tech, start learning the program before you start answering questions.
deejdave 4:00 PM - 12 May, 2016
This is all normal. The behavior of the software and the users.
PopRoXxX 4:40 PM - 12 May, 2016
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This is all normal. The behavior of the software and the users.

LOL! This 👆
WarpNote 5:18 PM - 12 May, 2016
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jeez tech, start learning the program before you start answering questions.

Hm, lots of other Tecniq posts makes "sense" now....
Mr. Goodkat 5:39 PM - 12 May, 2016
id say he's right about 50% of the time. thats failing in school.
DJ Tecniq 6:45 PM - 12 May, 2016
I've never really used it I thought it was mainly a controller feature. LOL this is how new I am to Serato DJ...
WarpNote 6:51 AM - 13 May, 2016
Well, for someone "new" to SDJ, you had a LOT of opinions about the software in the past. When spreading "info" about something, you should do your research first. So, what do you really know about flip, pnt, beatgrids, quantized fx, isotope and the club kit connection? Asking for REAL PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not what you read on the web?
DJ Tecniq 7:01 AM - 13 May, 2016
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Well, for someone "new" to SDJ, you had a LOT of opinions about the software in the past. When spreading "info" about something, you should do your research first. So, what do you really know about flip, pnt, beatgrids, quantized fx, isotope and the club kit connection? Asking for REAL PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, not what you read on the web?
I understand where you're coming from however the Isotope echo fx suck dick...anyone who uses a Rane box can vouch for me. Why the hell do you think I got an s9 because the onboard fx just work...as for SDJ I cannot say the same. However to answer your question yes SDJ as a DJ application uses more CPU than I have ever seen. You expect me to "praise" the software when the waveforms are nowhere near as smooth as Scratchlive has "ever" been. And you want to talk about research? I have done my research. I don't make my opinions on what I've heard on the "web" it's the truth💯 So therefore you really don't have a valid statement.
DJ Tecniq 7:04 AM - 13 May, 2016
As for beatgrids I don't even use them nor do I know any dj's that would put in the time to beatgrid their entire library...my ears are good enough. Beatgrids are useless to me✋🏻
nik39 11:22 AM - 13 May, 2016
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I understand where you're coming from however the Isotope echo fx suck dick...anyone who uses a Rane box can vouch for me.

What does a Rane box have to do with the Izotop FX?

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As for beatgrids I don't even use them nor do I know any dj's that would put in the time to beatgrid their entire library..

For regular, modern music it takes about 5seconds to set the beatgrid. That's something I can do on the fly. You only need to do it for songs you use and play, and even then it's something you have to do once.

Set beatgrids are helpful for video effects with ME for example. I thought you were a video dj, weren't you?
Mr. Goodkat 2:34 PM - 13 May, 2016
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I understand where you're coming from however the Isotope echo fx suck dick...anyone who uses a Rane box can vouch for me.

What does a Rane box have to do with the Izotop FX?

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As for beatgrids I don't even use them nor do I know any dj's that would put in the time to beatgrid their entire library..

For regular, modern music it takes about 5seconds to set the beatgrid. That's something I can do on the fly. You only need to do it for songs you use and play, and even then it's something you have to do once.

Set beatgrids are helpful for video effects with ME for example. I thought you were a video dj, weren't you?


techniq steady takin L's.
Mr. Goodkat 2:35 PM - 13 May, 2016
basically tech, use the SDJ for a year or two and THEN start answering questions.
PopRoXxX 2:36 PM - 13 May, 2016
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As for beatgrids I don't even use them nor do I know any dj's that would put in the time to beatgrid their entire library

I do. And you know me so ...............

"If you don't know ..... now you know ....... n**** " 😂
Mr. Goodkat 3:27 PM - 13 May, 2016
i used beatgrids for most of my tracks all the way back to ssl and having the bridge and ableton.

saw diplo in 2010 or 11 with them and asked the forum a question about it.

if you do production, you pretty much know the structure of songs if you beatgrid on the first beat, and its nice to see those numbers - 9 - 17- 33 for example- to know where you are at for mixing or just setting up cue points.
WarpNote 4:20 PM - 13 May, 2016
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Well, this leads me to believe you don't understand how the fx worx, they quantize to the GRID. And as nik said, also GRIDS useful with ME. As you keep saying isotope FX sux, yet I find them a lot better than the FX in SSL. Real question: did you buy and install all the isotope FX packs?
Culprit 4:23 PM - 13 May, 2016
Techs, coming from a vet here in the forums who have taken some pretty amusing but embarrassing L's in my days on the forums, you gatta know when to stop my dude.
Mr. Goodkat 4:26 PM - 13 May, 2016
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Well, this leads me to believe you don't understand how the fx worx, they quantize to the GRID. And as nik said, also GRIDS useful with ME. As you keep saying isotope FX sux, yet I find them a lot better than the FX in SSL. Real question: did you buy and install all the isotope FX packs?



there are some pretty interesting efx in there. i dont use them all that much, but on the s9 the filter dub delay was so good. as far as interesting efx that arent the standard, echo/delay/phaser/reverb, thats probably my fav effect in a dj program ever.
DJ Tecniq 6:16 PM - 13 May, 2016
The echo out fx in SDJ has been broken since it was first introduced. It has distortion at random times and sounds like crap. Ask anyone on the forum there are tons of users that will agree. Sorry I'm not such an "advanced" user I mix records there are still things I don't know about the program. I just need the basics I don't need all this filler. Hats off to all of you for knowing everything about the program👏🏻
soul63 6:58 PM - 13 May, 2016
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The echo out fx in SDJ has been broken since it was first introduced. It has distortion at random times and sounds like crap. Ask anyone on the forum there are tons of users that will agree. Sorry I'm not such an "advanced" user I mix records there are still things I don't know about the program. I just need the basics I don't need all this filler. Hats off to all of you for knowing everything about the program👏🏻

yep echo out in serato is plauged with distortion,only last night my group was debating this..so this morning i put up a track combining two tunes on the same beat on soundcloud using echo out 3 times,twice i used a jingle over the echo tail to disguise it cause that is where its worse,the third time i left it clean to hear...serato effects are poor anybody who thinks they are good should be not coming on here lecturing others..never used ssl so cant compare..and yes i own all the effects packssoundcloud.com
DJ Tecniq 8:16 PM - 13 May, 2016
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The echo out fx in SDJ has been broken since it was first introduced. It has distortion at random times and sounds like crap. Ask anyone on the forum there are tons of users that will agree. Sorry I'm not such an "advanced" user I mix records there are still things I don't know about the program. I just need the basics I don't need all this filler. Hats off to all of you for knowing everything about the program👏🏻

yep echo out in serato is plauged with distortion,only last night my group was debating this..so this morning i put up a track combining two tunes on the same beat on soundcloud using echo out 3 times,twice i used a jingle over the echo tail to disguise it cause that is where its worse,the third time i left it clean to hear...serato effects are poor anybody who thinks they are good should be not coming on here lecturing others..never used ssl so cant compare..and yes i own all the effects packssoundcloud.com
At least you get it...the pioneer fx on the s9 blow Serato DJ's out the water. How difficult is it to fix an echo out feature...apparently it takes a rocket scientist considering it hasn't worked right for over 2 years...but I'm the asshole😳🙄
DJ Marv the Maverick 6:30 AM - 15 May, 2016
I grid on the fly if I come across a track without grids or the grid is off.

I still play the track as it is (I.e no grid/grid off) but instant double it quickly to the left deck
Hit alt + Space bar twice,
Drop beat Marker on the right spot.
Enter
Voila song is gridded in less than 3 secs.
The changes are reflected in the left deck copy of the track in real-time.

Just use the full option analysis when adding tracks to your library. Say 60% of the time it's right, another 20% it gets the downbeat wrong but you can just slide the grid to correct that ,then the other 20% is the manual drummers tracks, that's the one you need to get down and dirty with.

One of the advantages of the SX is that it has the grid editing buttons on board.

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I do. And you know me so ...............

"If you don't know ..... now you know ....... n**** " 😂
DJ Tecniq 8:42 AM - 15 May, 2016
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i used beatgrids for most of my tracks all the way back to ssl and having the bridge and ableton.
Beatgrids were around in SSL? I remember it first was introduced in SDJ unless I'm missing something.
deejdave 3:18 PM - 15 May, 2016
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Beatgrids were around in SSL? I remember it first was introduced in SDJ unless I'm missing something.

You are again missing something. But in all fairness he JUST said it and you missed it again.
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Mr. Goodkat 5:05 PM - 15 May, 2016
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Beatgrids were around in SSL? I remember it first was introduced in SDJ unless I'm missing something.


you had to turn on the bridge and have ableton(or ableton demo at least) for it to work.

diplo was the first person i saw using them, i opened for him in 2010 or 11, i think 11.
DJ Tecniq 5:32 PM - 15 May, 2016
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You are again missing something. But in all fairness he JUST said it and you missed it again.
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Not really considering I've never used Bridge or Ableton with Serato...
DJ Tecniq 5:35 PM - 15 May, 2016
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Quote fail.., never used either with Serato
deejdave 7:03 PM - 15 May, 2016
They are one in the same. The Bridge is just the name of the integration and features that are opened up when Ableton is used.

Absolutely nothing wrong with not having used The Bridge. Was just clearing up what you were missing here is all. Beat Grids are a MUST for me as they are necessary for Mixer's internal Quantized FX.Been doing them since SSL days as well and I can completely understand how overwhelming it must be to face gridding from scratch on a library of any decent size. Just always saw it as I MAY use it someday so why not and thank god I did :)
deejdave 7:04 PM - 15 May, 2016
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That's pretty freakin cool I must say.
jamster????? 5:23 PM - 21 May, 2016
quote]Any body have more info on the magvel fadder this mixer comes with compared to rane's and also i notice this mixer has 32bit converters for the sound card i believe rane's is 24bit not sure..

The magvel crossfader is like an innofader but controls are on the outside and the rane fader is linear with no dip
Ragman 6:45 PM - 21 May, 2016
Both are magnetic so pretty similar. Rane has magnetic faders on their line faders as well whereas the S9 only has magnetic fader on the xfader only. My biggest gripe on the S9 is the paint on the fader caps wear away very fast and I don't like the proprietary fader caps with the lock mechanism. Other than that, the S9 fader is like having the Rane (smooth as butter) but with more curve/lag adjustment to suit a DJs needs.
DJ Marv the Maverick 9:27 PM - 19 July, 2016
S9 delivered today. It's one helluva mix. Subjectively I think it weighs more than my 62...might be wrong.

I had a brief play with it and noticed that I can't select more than one Serato FX at a time. I suppose workaround will be to combine Pioneer and Serato FX.

At least I don't have to start tinkering with Insert FX like on my 62 + SP1 combo.

I know of the limitations of the performance pad as both sides is controlled by one set of buttons ie if you want cues both sides change to cue mode unlike say my DDJsx or SP1. Not much of an issue.

The headphone cue cross fader seems too stiff for my liking. I have never owned any mixer that had knobs/switches/faders to cue.

That magvel crossfader will take some time to get used to, it's like a surgical blade.

Things that will take time to get used to - the layout of the channel trim

I am praying an official Rekordbox support comes at some point. If they can support the WeGo3, Sr and other older pioneer Serato controllers I see no reason why they should not.

In all I'm pretty satisfied with it.
spike12 10:40 PM - 19 July, 2016
Hi Marv the Maverick,

I don't think you can combine the on board and Serato fx together directly from the mixer, the only way to get multi fx would be to use the software or an SP1 type of midi controller in addition to the S9..

Has anyone tried combining FX using the user modes?
DJ Tecniq 11:47 PM - 19 July, 2016
Never tried combining fx would pretty much be overkill to your mix. The fx can be triggered through the sp6. Like say you want to echo out your DJ drop etc...
DJ dVO 12:08 AM - 20 July, 2016
Finally had a chance to play on one and it's too plasticy feeling for me. It's just too "Pioneer" feel for me. I wanted to get it but now I am going to stick with a Rane purchase.
Ragman 1:10 AM - 20 July, 2016
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Finally had a chance to play on one and it's too plasticy feeling for me. It's just too "Pioneer" feel for me. I wanted to get it but now I am going to stick with a Rane purchase.

If the plastic feel is your only gripe, you're missing out on one helluva mixer. IMO ;-)
DJ Tecniq 1:19 AM - 20 July, 2016
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if the plastic feel is your only gripe, you're missing out on one helluva mixer. IMO ;-)
Agreed. The fx are way more user friendly and the crossfader you can tweak so much. Rane fader can't do that👌🏻
spike12 1:24 AM - 20 July, 2016
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if the plastic feel is your only gripe, you're missing out on one helluva mixer. IMO ;-)
Agreed. The fx are way more user friendly and the crossfader you can tweak so much. Rane fader can't do that👌🏻


I'd add control over all the fader's in general.. can adjust the cut and reverse on all of them. In general it has a really good workflow, the only part being the trim and filters not being in line, but with a two channel mixer its not really much of an issue.

Just wanted to ask the question again though, how are people using their user modes, if at all? I have one set to the pitch play just to play around with.
DJ Marv the Maverick 2:14 AM - 20 July, 2016
Yup. It's one helluva mixer. I've seen videos of guys combining it with the SP1, initial thoughts was "do many buttons" but now I know the reason.

The layout will take getting used to but not much of a problem say compared to learning to mirrored layout.

I will give it a week before taking it to the club.
DJ Marv the Maverick 2:15 AM - 20 July, 2016
I tried 0.4mm on the cross fader damn it's too sharp.

Took it back to default.
Ragman 4:33 AM - 20 July, 2016
Yeah it's like a dam razor blade. ;-)
DJ Tecniq 7:21 AM - 20 July, 2016
I had mine lower but set it to default as well. I would hit the fader on accident and with just the lightest touch it cut in. I love how I can tighten or loose the tension on it. Bad ass for sure💯
DJ Tecniq 7:25 AM - 20 July, 2016
Here's a live recording from my FB Live feed if anyone cares to check it out. I use some of the fx and do a bit of scratching. I love this thing! m.facebook.com
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:05 PM - 22 July, 2016
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Here's a live recording from my FB Live feed if anyone cares to check it out. I use some of the fx and do a bit of scratching. I love this thing! m.facebook.com


Thats some long cabled headphones 👍, bet you can walk to the bathroom without unplugging 😆
What remix of show me love was that?
DJ Tecniq 9:58 PM - 22 July, 2016
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Thats some long cabled headphones 👍, bet you can walk to the bathroom without unplugging 😆
What remix of show me love was that?
I need new ones they are hella old they are Technics for some reason they made the cord super long I've had them for about 10 years. The remix of Robin S. Is from Ultimix Backspins👍🏻
JEM 357 6:24 AM - 23 July, 2016
Hi all, is there anyway of assigning the slicer buttons to do something else as I never use that function, also can the track scroll dails be set to crate left, track right, push down load which for me would be a much simpler arrangement ?
Tommy Deem 12:37 PM - 23 July, 2016
U know u have those user modes for ur own mappings xD
DJ Demolition 11:21 PM - 24 July, 2016
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Here's a live recording from my FB Live feed if anyone cares to check it out. I use some of the fx and do a bit of scratching.


Good job on the "mixing and scratching", but for your audience's sake, there really should be some kind of rhyme or reason regarding which track you decide to mix in next. That is... other than just being within the bpm range.
DJ Tecniq 7:08 PM - 25 July, 2016
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Good job on the "mixing and scratching", but for your audience's sake, there really should be some kind of rhyme or reason regarding which track you decide to mix in next. That is... other than just being within the bpm range.
I didn't plan the set I just picked tracks that "I" wanted to mix. There should be no reason why the audience should know what track I'm going to mix in. That is the whole purpose of dj'ing (not knowing what's coming next lol) I didn't practice my ass off dj'ing to become ppl's jukebox. When you go to a club you are there to hear "what the dj has to offer" not to hear every song that's "popular or on the radio"
Culprit 10:28 PM - 25 July, 2016
I co sign Tecniq on this one. Freestyle, mic and match mini 3 or 4 song sets, something to that matter.
Culprit 10:28 PM - 25 July, 2016
Mix and match
DJ Demolition 11:38 PM - 25 July, 2016
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I didn't plan the set I just picked tracks that "I" wanted to mix. There should be no reason why the audience should know what track I'm going to mix in. That is the whole purpose of dj'ing (not knowing what's coming next lol) I didn't practice my ass off dj'ing to become ppl's jukebox. When you go to a club you are there to hear "what the dj has to offer" not to hear every song that's "popular or on the radio"


I didn’t mention anything about letting folks know what you're going to play next, or being a jukebox... But, they do have the right to expect that it will be something that somehow connects with what you currently playing. When you swap genres and/or moods too often, people get tired of that in a hurry.

The same goes for excessive turntableism. At least 90% of he customers in the average club, are there to hear the music... not the DJ. More than once I've taken over the job of DJs who were very talented at mixing and were good showmen, but either lacked musical taste, or crowd reading/track programming skills.
DJ Tecniq 2:14 AM - 26 July, 2016
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I didn’t mention anything about letting folks know what you're going to play next, or being a jukebox... But, they do have the right to expect that it will be something that somehow connects with what you currently playing. When you swap genres and/or moods too often, people get tired of that in a hurry.

The same goes for excessive turntableism. At least 90% of he customers in the average club, are there to hear the music... not the DJ. More than once I've taken over the job of DJs who were very talented at mixing and were good showmen, but either lacked musical taste, or crowd reading/track programming skills.
I get what you're saying. This was my first time going live on FB had nothing prepared I was just picking from various crates. I didn't use any translations I just dropped tracks. I wasn't feeling the 128 bpm anymore so I switched the the 100's. Maybe it's my fault but if I get bored of something I'm going to switch to a diff genre. If you listened to the set I played a wide variety of genres. Sticking with 1 thing is boring which is why I have Serato in the first place. It allows me to play whatever I want. It's awesome.
DJ Tecniq 2:15 AM - 26 July, 2016
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DJ Demolition 2:39 AM - 26 July, 2016
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If you listened to the set I played a wide variety of genres. Sticking with 1 thing is boring which is why I have Serato in the first place. It allows me to play whatever I want. It's awesome.


I did listen to most of it. Not all, as it really started falling apart toward the end. I'm a genre hopper also, for the same reason that you've stated. I'm just saying that there's a right way, and a wrong way, to go about it.

Any of the major softwares will let you mix whatever you want on the fly. I own them all, and they all have shortcomings as well.

I wasn't trying to be negative when I critiqued your work, btw... Just offering my honest opinion. If it makes you feel any better, your scratching is pretty good... I've been trying to master that for 40 years, and the best I can do is baby scratches. I just don't have the coordination required. Gives me something to work for, though.
DJ Tecniq 3:02 AM - 26 July, 2016
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I wasn't trying to be negative when I critiqued your work, btw... Just offering my honest opinion. If it makes you feel any better, your scratching is pretty good... I've been trying to master that for 40 years, and the best I can do is baby scratches. I just don't have the coordination required. Gives me something to work for, though.
Understandable. Thanks for listening. To be honest I haven't even landed the crab scratch properly yet. It's one of the most difficult scratches to do. And when I try to do it my needles jump and I'm not using that much pressure at all.
DJ Demolition 3:48 AM - 26 July, 2016
Yeah, well it sounds pretty good to me.

I like to listen to this guy here: youtu.be I'm not really into hip-hop, but I like that style of mixing. There are actually a couple of guys here on the board who are better than him though.
DJ Tecniq 4:01 AM - 26 July, 2016
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Yeah, well it sounds pretty good to me.

I like to listen to this guy here: youtu.be I'm not really into hip-hop, but I like that style of mixing. There are actually a couple of guys here on the board who are better than him though.
Yup that's Billy huge fan. He used to comment on my mixes when I had them up on YouTube years ago he even tried out for Thre3style and made it in but didn't win. I have no idea how he is able to keep his mixes going on YouTube. Everyone I've uploaded has gotten flagged😕 years ago this wasn't a problem.
DJ Demolition 4:10 AM - 26 July, 2016
Uh,huh. They keep pulling my remixes off of soundcloud. Same problem. Thing about it though, Billy cuts his tracks so short, the part he actually plays without either cutting it up or layering it with something else, is really not much more than a sample. I'd say that's the reason.
DJ Tecniq 4:53 AM - 26 July, 2016
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Uh,huh. They keep pulling my remixes off of soundcloud. Same problem. Thing about it though, Billy cuts his tracks so short, the part he actually plays without either cutting it up or layering it with something else, is really not much more than a sample. I'd say that's the reason.
Yeah he does quick mixes and also pre plans his sets. He sets his cue points further in the song to cut them shorter which is really useful with the s9. I do something similar except edit them in editing software to cut them shorter. This way I don't mess up trying it on the s9. He's quick at jumping to diff parts of the chorus/song.
DJ Demolition 4:54 AM - 26 July, 2016
He's very quick...
Ragman 5:30 AM - 26 July, 2016
I've been watching his videos for a while now as well. If you go back and look Billy's first few yt videos, it's remarkable how far he's come in a short amount of time.
DJ Demolition 5:33 AM - 26 July, 2016
That's true.
DJ Tecniq 7:40 AM - 26 July, 2016
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I've been watching his videos for a while now as well. If you go back and look Billy's first few yt videos, it's remarkable how far he's come in a short amount of time.
I agree. Used to watch him with his old 57. I think he's gotten much quicker with the s9. The layout is just more user friendly. While I like Rane mixers they cannot beat the s9 faders👌🏻
Culprit 6:27 PM - 26 July, 2016
I am adjusting to all different sorts of faders. I actually like my SX2 fader. I still sound best on my old 57SL. The S9 is really dope, but not my favorite at the moment.

I still think the old Vestax faders are the sharpest, I sound like a ninja with those mixers. I have a friend who pulls it out when I visit him and we just use his old PCM05 and the SL1 and I swear it still beats the shit out of any mixer I have ever cut with.
DJ Demolition 7:18 PM - 26 July, 2016
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I still think the old Vestax faders are the sharpest, I sound like a ninja with those mixers. I have a friend who pulls it out when I visit him and we just use his old PCM05 and the SL1 and I swear it still beats the shit out of any mixer I have ever cut with.


Put it up on YouTube. We want to see.
DJ Tecniq 10:40 PM - 26 July, 2016
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Put it up on YouTube. We want to see.
Curious myself. Vestax faders are dope but I don't think it's better than an S9 fader IMO.
thorissr 11:06 PM - 26 July, 2016
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Put it up on YouTube. We want to see.
Curious myself. Vestax faders are dope but I don't think it's better than an S9 fader IMO.
the 57,

The s9 xfader is the best I've used thus far. This is coming from a big time Rane fan...currently using the 57 for Scratch Live, returned the 57mk2 for the s9 and previously owning the 62.

It's so customizable and buttery smooth. The ability to customize the xfader and fine tune it to my liking has allowed me to pull off some great cuts.

Also the pads has decreased the equipment I need to take advantage of Serato's features. Oh, and let's not forget those FX levels...I love them!!

I've had mine every since GC had their 1 month exclusivity deal last November, and have yet to experience an issue with mine.
DJ Tecniq 11:10 PM - 26 July, 2016
I like the fact you mentioned the 57 mkII cause that was my 2nd choice. What made you get the s9?
thorissr 11:20 PM - 26 July, 2016
Those pads and fx levers is what initially drew me in...I thought I was paying a high cost for the 57mk2 when on paper the s9 appeared to offer more for less. It also helped that I got a tremendous discount on the s9 as well. All in all I'm glad I took the gamble, and have heavily structured my workflow around this mixer to thr point when I use my OG 57 and even my newly acquired Mixars Duo, it takes some time to adjust and I always end up missing a feature that my S9 has.
DJ Tecniq 11:35 PM - 26 July, 2016
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Those pads and fx levers is what initially drew me in...I thought I was paying a high cost for the 57mk2 when on paper the s9 appeared to offer more for less. It also helped that I got a tremendous discount on the s9 as well. All in all I'm glad I took the gamble, and have heavily structured my workflow around this mixer to thr point when I use my OG 57 and even my newly acquired Mixars Duo, it takes some time to adjust and I always end up missing a feature that my S9 has.
Word. Yeah the toggle switches and the big midi pads is what sold me other than the fader. I am not a fan of the itty bitty cue pads on the 57's I also don't like how you can't adjust the tension on the 57's fader. If bass is hitting hard that fader will move. This is not a prob with the s9👍🏻
Ragman 12:40 AM - 27 July, 2016
What have you guys done about the xfader cap paint wearing away. Pioneer offering replacements?
thorissr 1:11 AM - 27 July, 2016
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What have you guys done about the xfader cap paint wearing away. Pioneer offering replacements?


I have had extensive with my s9 and have been fortunate enough not to have this issue yet. I've seen and heard reports of the faceplate issue and they offer replacements but never have I heard of the xfader cap issue.
DJ Tecniq 4:24 AM - 27 July, 2016
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What have you guys done about the xfader cap paint wearing away. Pioneer offering replacements?
Hasn't been a problem for me yet. Coolorcaps.com will have s9 fader caps soon. Also I put a skin over my s9 it's butter now -> dl.dropboxusercontent.com
DJ Tecniq 4:28 AM - 27 July, 2016
DJ Tecniq 4:30 AM - 27 July, 2016
Sorry here's the correct link. www.dropbox.com
Culprit 5:38 AM - 27 July, 2016
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I still think the old Vestax faders are the sharpest, I sound like a ninja with those mixers. I have a friend who pulls it out when I visit him and we just use his old PCM05 and the SL1 and I swear it still beats the shit out of any mixer I have ever cut with.


Put it up on YouTube. We want to see.


Hey Demo,

When I see my bud, for sure man, its been a few years tho.
DJ Tecniq 8:50 PM - 27 July, 2016
To all S9 users there is a new firmware update V 1.07 so just a heads up. I saw it on Pioneer's FB page
spike12 8:52 PM - 27 July, 2016
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To all S9 users there is a new firmware update V 1.07 so just a heads up. I saw it on Pioneer's FB page


Thanks! Who's gonna be the guinea pig?
Ragman 10:21 PM - 27 July, 2016
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Sorry here's the correct link. www.dropbox.com

I see you got the Limited Edition 12InchSkinz. That's boss ...
Ragman 10:23 PM - 27 July, 2016
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Sorry here's the correct link. www.dropbox.com

I see you got the Limited Edition 12InchSkinz. That's boss ...

Are those the factory xfader caps or did they come with the skinz?
Culprit 10:38 PM - 27 July, 2016
DJ Tecniq 11:50 PM - 27 July, 2016
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I see you got the Limited Edition 12InchSkinz. That's boss ...
Yeah bro only $89 totally worth it. It looks white/black from the pic but it's actually silver/black
DJ Tecniq 11:58 PM - 27 July, 2016
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Are those the factory xfader caps or did they come with the skinz?
No fader caps come with the skin just the knobs. Which IMO are quite cheap looking I kept the original knobs cause the gray ones that come with the skin are very dark in dark venues. I prefer the black with white strip.
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:01 AM - 28 July, 2016
I think the Pioneer knobs are dope. Especially the metal filter ones.

I haven't even gigged with mine yet might be getting the skin too.

How difficult was it to install? Is it forgiving?

I can't even install a phone screen protector to save my life.
DJ Tecniq 8:54 AM - 28 July, 2016
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I think the Pioneer knobs are dope. Especially the metal filter ones.

I haven't even gigged with mine yet might be getting the skin too.

How difficult was it to install? Is it forgiving?

I can't even install a phone screen protector to save my life.
Lol it's actually not that hard at all. The most difficult part is getting the right tools so that you don't scratch the paint from any of the knobs/filters/faders cause that was pretty nerve racking as I didn't have the most delicate tools however I still made it work. With a small flathead you pull the white strip up from the fader and everything pops right off after that. The skin can be difficult to place correctly but it literally sticks on and peels right off. No damage to the paint whatsoever. The skin is very sturdy and will not come off once placed. The quality is really good besides the knobs they provide you with. Regardless you should have a skin. Pioneer faceplates have never lasted more than a year. My old DJM 700 started chipping paint within months. Before applying the skin you have to pop all knobs and faders off then apply the skin. But honestly it's not as difficult as it sounds. You will be much happier and confident the faceplate is protected. The skin covers the top and sides as well as the front panel where the headphone/mic/fader controls are. Trust me get a skin to protect your gear. You won't regret it IMO👍🏻
DJ Tecniq 9:00 AM - 28 July, 2016
Here's a pic of what it looked like before with the stock knobs 12inchskinz gave me. They are cheap looking. Also one of the browse buttons they provided did not push down as easy as the other. Glad I kept it OG with skin and original knobs. But here's a pic dl.dropboxusercontent.com
DJ Tecniq 9:02 AM - 28 July, 2016
Sorry wrong link again...Dropbox sucks on a iPhone.. -> www.dropbox.com
DJ Tecniq 9:05 AM - 28 July, 2016
To get a better understanding how to apply the skin watch this tutorial. Also I highly recommend having the tool he is demonstrating in the video. Good luck
youtu.be
DJ Tecniq 9:14 AM - 28 July, 2016
^ that's the mirrored skin which I personally don't think is appealing. It looks nothing compared to mine cause I thought the mirrored skin looks bubbly and non natural looking. There is a difference. Not a fan of the gold either it's super played out but to each their own👍🏻
DJ Demolition 2:15 PM - 28 July, 2016
Looks to me like he got that on there a little crooked. Look at the parting line between the upper and lower halves, and you'll see its a lot tighter on the right side. Probably looks a lot more obvious in person.

I'd like to have a small skin just to cover the center channels in a lighter color on my ddm 4000. But i haven't been able to find anything so far. As it is, in a dark room, sometimes I have to use my flashlight to see which channel is which.
Ragman 12:13 AM - 29 July, 2016
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Sorry wrong link again...Dropbox sucks on a iPhone.. -> www.dropbox.com

Ok. Thanks for sharing. I got the all black skinz with my logo on it. I'll post it once I uploads the pic to photobucket.
DJ Tecniq 4:11 AM - 29 July, 2016
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Sorry wrong link again...Dropbox sucks on a iPhone.. -> www.dropbox.com

Ok. Thanks for sharing. I got the all black skinz with my logo on it. I'll post it once I uploads the pic to photobucket.
Hell yeah can't wait to see it. The black will look dope as fuck!
Ragman 3:31 PM - 29 July, 2016
Ok finally got it up. I'm a non-glitzy type DJ so others may find this design boring.

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DJ Demolition 4:06 PM - 29 July, 2016
I figured you'd have them make you one that looked like a bunch green rags stiched together...

It's a clean look, but not much different than stock.
Ragman 4:51 PM - 29 July, 2016
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I figured you'd have them make you one that looked like a bunch green rags stiched together...

It's a clean look, but not much different than stock.

Too funny ...;-)
I don't like a busy mixer, so I was going more for the protection.
DJ Demolition 5:42 PM - 29 July, 2016
No... it looks very nice, but still I think it needs a little green rag decal there next to your name, just to cap it off.

I've never understood the "wear protection" fetish that a lot of DJS seem to have, though. I mean... people are careful to keep screen protectors on the phones, but why? I don't, yet I've never seen any scratches on mine... Who keeps their phone that long anyway?

I just put my stuff in cases, keep them dusted off, and beyond that I don't worry about it a whole lot. I think wear around the faders is the mark of a busy DJ, and looks sexy... ;)

But who asked me... right?
Ragman 5:48 PM - 29 July, 2016
I don't keep my equipment for a long time. Typically no longer than a year, then it's on eBay. So it's very important that I keep it as pristine as possible to maximize what I can get for it. That's the life of a gear whore. :-)

But I might take you up on the green rag decal. Sounds like a good idea.
DJ Demolition 6:55 PM - 29 July, 2016
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I don't keep my equipment for a long time. Typically no longer than a year, then it's on eBay. So it's very important that I keep it as pristine as possible to maximize what I can get for it.


Yeah, I had considered that, but I figured it probably wouldn't increase the resale any more than it cost for the cover, but then I suppose you do get the benefit of individual customization. Anyway, if it makes you happy, that's the main thing.

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I might take you up on the green rag decal.

Yeah, I was thinking that little bit of color might help bring it to life, and still look tasteful. But then, I don't know where you'd get the decal now...
DJ Demolition 8:47 PM - 29 July, 2016
Well, yes I do... any decent sign shop can print and cut one for you if you'll bring them the bitmap.

But speaking of used equipment; I might as well mention that a friend of mine is looking for a nice Twitch, if you have one you want to part with, or know of one.
Ragman 3:06 AM - 30 July, 2016
Nope sure don't.
DJ Marv the Maverick 11:13 AM - 11 August, 2016
So ive had the S9 for a few weeks now noticed a few limitations

1. I cant combine multiple internal fx
2. I cant combine internal and onboard FX

I'm going to see if i can combine it with an SP1 today.
Mr. Goodkat 9:57 PM - 11 August, 2016
change the filter knob to an effect
DJ Marv the Maverick 10:20 PM - 11 August, 2016
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change the filter knob to an effect


News to me. Will have a look.
Mr. Goodkat 10:55 PM - 11 August, 2016
its in the utility. you gotta explore the utility if you havent.
thorissr 6:56 PM - 23 August, 2016
I'm having a problem now after upgrading one on my Macs to 10.11.6 and sdj 1.92. For some reason when I engage one of my samples and engage echo effect the echo doesn't kick in. The only way to remedy it is to turn mixer off and on again, which then fixes the issue.

For now when I boot up I check my samples with echo effect before going live.

Just heads up....never had this issue til now.....don't know if it's El Capitan or SDJ related.
Mr. Goodkat 7:01 PM - 23 August, 2016
thats why i wasnt comfortable with the s9. the mixer is dope, but i didnt want to be trapped into using only SDJ.

i did use SDJ with a DJM 900 for 2 years. but after leaving mountain lion, i had immediate issues and problems so i'm not totally against it.

currently i think my only option is to do a fresh install of yosemite, but SSL works fine with my 62 and sl3 box so no real reason too. SSL sounds better anyway.
DJ Tecniq 8:48 PM - 23 August, 2016
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I'm having a problem now after upgrading one on my Macs to 10.11.6 and sdj 1.92. For some reason when I engage one of my samples and engage echo effect the echo doesn't kick in. The only way to remedy it is to turn mixer off and on again, which then fixes the issue.

For now when I boot up I check my samples with echo effect before going live.

Just heads up....never had this issue til now.....don't know if it's El Capitan or SDJ related.
Have you made sure you have the latest firmware and el capitan driver for the s9?
thorissr 8:55 PM - 23 August, 2016
Yes ....I'm on 1.07
DJ Tecniq 9:01 PM - 23 August, 2016
Do you have the sample fx on? it stays blinking when lit. just hit your sample and it will automatically echo when you have your fx set to "echo"
DJ Tecniq 9:12 PM - 23 August, 2016
Where your "banks" are next to the tap button...one of them has to be clicked. when you have echo on it will trigger your sample with an echo.
thorissr 9:22 PM - 23 August, 2016
Yes I've been using this mixer ever since mid November 2015 and never experienced this issue....just noticed over this past weekend and the first time I thought it was a fluke but it seems to only happen upon first boot. This is part of my home setup that I practice on with a Mac Pro so being under specd shouldn't be an issue here .

Of course it's no biggie to me....like I said I just make sure to engage it once to ensure its working before I get deep into practicing.
DJ Tecniq 9:23 PM - 23 August, 2016
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Yes I've been using this mixer ever since mid November 2015 and never experienced this issue....just noticed over this past weekend and the first time I thought it was a fluke but it seems to only happen upon first boot. This is part of my home setup that I practice on with a Mac Pro so being under specd shouldn't be an issue here .

Of course it's no biggie to me....like I said I just make sure to engage it once to ensure its working before I get deep into practicing.
Then that's really weird..question are you using the sdj fx or the pioneer fx?
thorissr 9:24 PM - 23 August, 2016
Pioneer hardware echo .....I usually don't touch Setato efx....especially because of the distortion on their echo
DJ Tecniq 9:27 PM - 23 August, 2016
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Pioneer hardware echo .....I usually don't touch Setato efx....especially because of the distortion on their echo
ahahah yeah isotope sux that's why i was asking. If the s9 was compatible with Rekordbox I would probably switch 100% to RB. Serato hasn't fixed that shit in years nor any of the other bugs like sticker lock. They are starting to piss me off...I'm not ashamed to say that. Truth hurts
DJ Tecniq 9:29 PM - 23 August, 2016
They add features I could give a fuck less about...and it just bloats their software. In a working environment I care about stability...They've seem to forgotten that. Que the SDJ fanboys they hate me because they know I'm right :(
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:04 PM - 23 August, 2016
🙏🏻 please move to Rekordbox please 🙏🏻
deejdave 10:05 PM - 23 August, 2016
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DJ Tecniq 10:07 PM - 23 August, 2016
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Have actually had a friend email them. They basically said "At this time they couldn't specify when or if ever it will be supported" $1700 mixer and only able to use SDJ with it is not fair...give us another option at least.
deejdave 10:10 PM - 23 August, 2016
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They add features I could give a fuck less about...and it just bloats their software. In a working environment I care about stability...They've seem to forgotten that. Que the SDJ fanboys they hate me because they know I'm right :(

This is the root of ALL your issues. You have been Que-ing music when you should be cue-ing or at the very least queue-ing LOL.
Mr. Goodkat 10:10 PM - 23 August, 2016
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Have actually had a friend email them. They basically said "At this time they couldn't specify when or if ever it will be supported" $1700 mixer and only able to use SDJ with it is not fair...give us another option at least.


it works with the s9 you just have to map it
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:13 PM - 23 August, 2016
I'm sure if you said you would never post here again if someone can fully map and setup your S9 with Rekordbox Dj it would be done for you
Mr. Goodkat 10:17 PM - 23 August, 2016
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DJ Tecniq 10:20 PM - 23 August, 2016
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Have actually had a friend email them. They basically said "At this time they couldn't specify when or if ever it will be supported" $1700 mixer and only able to use SDJ with it is not fair...give us another option at least.


it works with the s9 you just have to map it
Of course it does but it is not 100% fully compatible with Rekordbox...im not going to buy rekordbox DVS if it's not fully supported.
Mr. Goodkat 10:32 PM - 23 August, 2016
you wouldnt have to worry about sdj or serato anymore?
DJ Tecniq 10:34 PM - 23 August, 2016
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Right but the s9 is not officially supported in Rekordbox. It is not listed in their compatible hardware...While it will work with midi I want a full confirmation that it's supported.
LJ_WOOLSEY 10:36 PM - 23 August, 2016
What difference does it make?
Mr. Goodkat 10:42 PM - 23 August, 2016
it works, its their app and mixer, i say go for it, why waste time?
Tommy Deem 10:47 PM - 23 August, 2016
Been doing gigs with s9 and rekorfbox over an month now. No issues, works like a charm :) did have to use some time to map it but now it works 90% like it works with sdj :) now i need to have only one library updated :)
DJ Tecniq 7:19 AM - 24 August, 2016
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Been doing gigs with s9 and rekorfbox over an month now. No issues, works like a charm :) did have to use some time to map it but now it works 90% like it works with sdj :) now i need to have only one library updated :)
Dope and you're using Serato CV's and did you purchase Rekordbox DVS? Or is Rekordbox free since it's a "Pioneer" product and a $1700 million mixer. All this I would like to know. Thanks
DJ Tecniq 7:21 AM - 24 August, 2016
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it works, its their app and mixer, i say go for it, why waste time?
I'm gonna demo it for sure but I need to know if i need to purchase it to keep using it. A $1700 pioneer mixer it should be free I shouldn't have to pay a dime for their software.
DJ Marv the Maverick 7:22 AM - 24 August, 2016
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Zero chill ah
DJ Tecniq 7:31 AM - 24 August, 2016
Million - pioneer lol typo*
deejdave 1:11 PM - 24 August, 2016
This $1700 number keeps getting thrown around like it is astronomical. If u did your shopping you could have found for less (brand new from an authorized retailer) anyways. If the mixer is not natively supported by rekordbox dj Why in the name of F would they give you the software for free when the mixers that ARE natively supported and cost more than $1700 don't even come with it.


Lmao already complaining about rekordbox and you haven't even used it with the s9 yet haha. They are gonna love you over there if all goes well for us that is. Not sure how happy overall you will be though as they moderate and edit their forums and i know your favorite thing about djing is talking crap about everything :)
deejdave 1:14 PM - 24 August, 2016
Btw I don't think they have "que" features over there either :(
DJ Tecniq 1:28 PM - 24 August, 2016
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This $1700 number keeps getting thrown around like it is astronomical. If u did your shopping you could have found for less (brand new from an authorized retailer) anyways. If the mixer is not natively supported by rekordbox dj Why in the name of F would they give you the software for free when the mixers that ARE natively supported and cost more than $1700 don't even come with it.


Lmao already complaining about rekordbox and you haven't even used it with the s9 yet haha. They are gonna love you over there if all goes well for us that is. Not sure how happy overall you will be though as they moderate and edit their forums and i know your favorite thing about djing is talking crap about everything :)
I didn't pay $1700 for mine it was $1400. However it's a Pioneer product even though it's not "fully" compatible with Rekordbox it sure as hell should be. It's their best 2 channel battle mixer. Why the hell would they not? Talking crap? I speak the truth about everything software related which in most cases is SDJ. The proof is all over the forum look at the many users having DVS issues/dropouts etc...are we all going to blame their computers or the user. Cmon man...🙄
DJ Tecniq 1:33 PM - 24 August, 2016
I'm sure it's working terrific with your controller. As for turntable users that's a completely different story. In reality and all fact they took a "controller" based software and merged it with DVS. SDJ was only supported for controllers when it was first introduced...well they should of kept it that way. You can dish it out but know that I'm gonna throw it right back at you. I have been using Serato since 05-06 I think I know what I'm talking about with both experiences of the software. Good talk 😊
PopRoXxX 4:57 PM - 24 August, 2016
98-99.9% of your talk on these forums (and now the Serato FB page you are also constantly on) is non-constructive. Just tons of cynical word vomit, instead of going to the correct outlets to get things on the right track for you man. I believe that's what deejdave means by "talking crap"

You would rather bash, complain, point fingers, emoji your way around all areas but where you should actually be all day long dude ............. Support. The support section of this site is where you should be spending at least 14 of the 15 hours a day you are here since you never have anything constructive over on these parts of the site.

I'm just trying to point you in the right direction like before. But you're still on the same track, so I guess guys here are just gonna keep going in on you. I can't blame them, but like I said ..... I'm trying to point you where you need to be to get whatever million issues you hate/have with SDJ. Support. Support is where you need to be man ✅
DJ Tecniq 5:05 PM - 24 August, 2016
The Serato Nation FB page is not endorsed by Serato. It's a users/support group cause normally support usually takes forever. Bashing and complaining are two different things. I speak on facts and what I have experienced. I expected for you to chime in on this post since you endorse and market Serato so heavily. Not a surprise there. I could name all the problems with SDJ on both my hands. So I don't consider that "complaining" esp when bugs haven't been resolved like sticker lock which was maybe 2 years ago. But in the asshole🤔 got it👍🏻
DJ Tecniq 5:06 PM - 24 August, 2016
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DJ Tecniq 5:13 PM - 24 August, 2016
This is a free country I feel like I can't speak my mind in this forum and about the product...whatever happened to telling it like is. So we're supposed to keep our mouths shut when the software doesn't work right? How is that fair. Like the echo out fx in Serato...not 1 fix since izotope first came to SDJ. That's okay they keep adding cool new features😊 so it makes up for it I guess.
Mr. Goodkat 5:16 PM - 24 August, 2016
more than anything we just want you to go away is basically what were saying.
DJ Tecniq 5:27 PM - 24 August, 2016
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more than anything we just want you to go away is basically what were saying.
Or you could go about your business and not worry?
Mr. Goodkat 5:29 PM - 24 August, 2016
i do go about my biz, but one can wish cant they
PopRoXxX 5:30 PM - 24 August, 2016
Never called you an asshole man. Never once crossed my lips or typing fingers. I may endorse Serato, but it works for me. If I had a problem I would go straight to Support at anytime, start my report and keep harassing them until I get a response.

Things will always need to be fixed/changed. For someone, somewhere regardless. I get it. A lot of us are perfectionists in this game and we want everything to be and sound perfect (I am definitely one of those). But sometimes those things we want to be and sound perfect ...... the common people could actually care less about. Really slow scratches with PNT? Common people will never hear what we are hearing. PNT taking a little crisp out of the treble/hi-end? Common people would care less about. I want those things fixed too. But it doesn't call for the way you go about addressing the issues here. Support, again, is where you need to be. And with that said, could be why Support takes time. Because of a bunch of other users doing the same thing. Jumping over on Support. That is definitely the place for you and to express your gripes/complaints/detests. Over here, it's just getting out of hand

It is a free country. This is a pretty free forum compared to most others. But after a while, users tend to get to know each other. And they've all gotten to know you pretty well by now. We are just tired of these type of posts in the wrong areas. Support. Support. Support. There you go dude. Hope this helps you
DJ Tecniq 5:57 PM - 24 August, 2016
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Never called you an asshole man. Never once crossed my lips or typing fingers. I may endorse Serato, but it works for me. If I had a problem I would go straight to Support at anytime, start my report and keep harassing them until I get a response.

Things will always need to be fixed/changed. For someone, somewhere regardless. I get it. A lot of us are perfectionists in this game and we want everything to be and sound perfect (I am definitely one of those). But sometimes those things we want to be and sound perfect ...... the common people could actually care less about. Really slow scratches with PNT? Common people will never hear what we are hearing. PNT taking a little crisp out of the treble/hi-end? Common people would care less about. I want those things fixed too. But it doesn't call for the way you go about addressing the issues here. Support, again, is where you need to be. And with that said, could be why Support takes time. Because of a bunch of other users doing the same thing. Jumping over on Support. That is definitely the place for you and to express your gripes/complaints/detests. Over here, it's just getting out of hand

It is a free country. This is a pretty free forum compared to most others. But after a while, users tend to get to know each other. And they've all gotten to know you pretty well by now. We are just tired of these type of posts in the wrong areas. Support. Support. Support. There you go dude. Hope this helps you
Well said I feel like you didn't attack me or criticize me cause at first that's how it sounded. As for the correct area for discussion it is a public forum and you are right I prob go about things the wrong way but it's gotten old and I feel my voice should be heard and I see the many users having similar issues with DVS this is no secret. I swear before I switched to SDJ I never had any of these DVS issues and frankly I've gotten fed up to where I openly talk about the issues on the forum. I know they are listening cause staff has personally contacted me. It may be the wrong way of doing things but it's working. I'll pipe it down for a bit for now. There are users giving up on SDJ and its happening quickly. I know I'm not alone cause I know there's a huge support group that agrees with me. Bug after bug after bug and no fixes but added features. It's quite q slap in the face. Carry on I'm going MIA for awhile👌🏻
Culprit 8:00 PM - 24 August, 2016
Tecniq,

It's more your approach. Don't take them as personal attacks, but its the way your outputting this energy that's rubbing people wrong. I mean, were all Serato Lovers, and yes we got gripes with the existing issues we see with the software. I think it's more your attitude towards the whole situation you know.

Not personally attacking you, just voicing an opinion I think many agree with.
DJ Demolition 8:36 PM - 24 August, 2016
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There are users giving up on SDJ and its happening quickly. I know I'm not alone cause I know there's a huge support group that agrees with me. Bug after bug after bug and no fixes but added features. It's quite q slap in the face.

Cheer up brother, I'm on your side in this particular fight. SDJ is beta software in my book. Almost everyone I know personally is using either SSL, Itch, or both.

No one is buying it, that's why Serato keeps offering it at half price. People don't even think enough of it to download the upgrades.
DJ Tecniq 9:35 PM - 24 August, 2016
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There are users giving up on SDJ and its happening quickly. I know I'm not alone cause I know there's a huge support group that agrees with me. Bug after bug after bug and no fixes but added features. It's quite q slap in the face.

Cheer up brother, I'm on your side in this particular fight. SDJ is beta software in my book. Almost everyone I know personally is using either SSL, Itch, or both.

No one is buying it, that's why Serato keeps offering it at half price. People don't even think enough of it to download the upgrades.
Appreciate it! And yes i see they even extended the sale cause they know there are issues esp with pnt..dropouts, audio interruption, dvs acting erratically. Tons of evidence in the general discussion area. I only hope they are working on it. Cause personally I have not seen the software get better only worse. Thanks for seeing my point of view.
Mr. Goodkat 10:08 PM - 24 August, 2016
the question remains. Why use it?

you bought a mixer that only uses SDJ(well prob traktor and rekord box and vdj and mix vibes BUT only officially supported by Serato). why buy it?

its not like you are saying, well i like this and this but this is bothering me, but i can still use it.
Its 'THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER AND SUCKS SO FKIN HARD'(basically)

in the last post you said its only getting worse

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Cause personally I have not seen the software get better only worse.


AND U STILL BOUGHT A MIXER THAT ONLY USES SERATO DJ

are you not getting the irony just a little?

its like a guy that goes out with a girl and gripes about her, has other available suitors but just keep complaining about her. then he proposes to her and gives her a ring, then decides that you can't stand her because you dont like her shoes or makeup.

you knew all the problems when you got the s9. you knew the objections and problems and you forced yourself to use sdj because u bought the mixer. you could you use other programs/apps with the mixer, but you still use SDJ. You knew that basic issues can take months or years to get fixed, or never get fixed, and you still use SDJ.

maybe just switch back to ssl?
Serato, Moderator
Samuel S 10:21 PM - 24 August, 2016
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There are users giving up on SDJ and its happening quickly. I know I'm not alone cause I know there's a huge support group that agrees with me. Bug after bug after bug and no fixes but added features. It's quite q slap in the face.

Cheer up brother, I'm on your side in this particular fight. SDJ is beta software in my book. Almost everyone I know personally is using either SSL, Itch, or both.

No one is buying it, that's why Serato keeps offering it at half price. People don't even think enough of it to download the upgrades.
Appreciate it! And yes i see they even extended the sale cause they know there are issues esp with pnt..dropouts, audio interruption, dvs acting erratically. Tons of evidence in the general discussion area. I only hope they are working on it. Cause personally I have not seen the software get better only worse. Thanks for seeing my point of view.


If you read forums where people head to try get help - it's always going to look like people have problems. We don't delete or hide posts on our forum so everything is out in the open and that's pretty important to us for transparency. The internet is a negative place man - just look at any comments section of any post, anywhere...

You're entitled to your opinion on here and we appreciate all the feedback :) We definitely listen and do work very hard to make Serato DJ the best software for working DJs.

sam.
DJ Tecniq 10:50 PM - 24 August, 2016
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the question remains. Why use it?

you bought a mixer that only uses SDJ(well prob traktor and rekord box and vdj and mix vibes BUT only officially supported by Serato). why buy it?

its not like you are saying, well i like this and this but this is bothering me, but i can still use it.
Its 'THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER AND SUCKS SO FKIN HARD'(basically)

in the last post you said its only getting worse

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AND U STILL BOUGHT A MIXER THAT ONLY USES SERATO DJ

are you not getting the irony just a little?

its like a guy that goes out with a girl and gripes about her, has other available suitors but just keep complaining about her. then he proposes to her and gives her a ring, then decides that you can't stand her because you dont like her shoes or makeup.

you knew all the problems when you got the s9. you knew the objections and problems and you forced yourself to use sdj because u bought the mixer. you could you use other programs/apps with the mixer, but you still use SDJ. You knew that basic issues can take months or years to get fixed, or never get fixed, and you still use SDJ.

maybe just switch back to ssl?
Just to clarify no I did not know the issues I was going to have. Which is mainly blamed at pnt. I no longer use it and haven't had any issues since (crosses fingers) as for using other software "why the hell should i" for a $1400 mixer (originally $1700) They know of the issues and are working on it.
Mr. Goodkat 11:04 PM - 24 August, 2016
the only reason other software is mentioned is that maybe you would find one that you liked better than SDJ?

i tried traktor and didnt like it, but at least i tried it.

and there are quite a few mixers that cost more(or the same) than the S9 that a serato license is required which is a paid upgrade. the nexus 900,rane 2014, 2015, the allen & heath db4 to name a few.

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Just to clarify no I did not know the issues I was going to have.


but you did read the board and you personally always used ssl if im not mistaken. you over and over said SDJ sux( you made a thread about it), so you had to know that it was not perfect. even with pnt, its not a problem, you bought it.
Mr. Goodkat 11:05 PM - 24 August, 2016
even with pnt, its not a problem, you bought it, it just doenst work how you want it too.

seems like ssl did work like you want it too, just map it to the s9. problem solved.
DJ Tecniq 11:08 PM - 24 August, 2016
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but you did read the board and you personally always used ssl if im not mistaken. you over and over said SDJ sux( you made a thread about it), so you had to know that it was not perfect. even with pnt, its not a problem, you bought it.
While you are correct I did not have PNT before the S9 i got it while it was on sale as $15 discount. I have used SDJ with my SL3 and have had little issues if any. PNT turned out to be the cause of my problems it is not the mixer at fault it is indeed the software. But I hear you on other choices. I'm gonna demo Rekordbox.
DJ Tecniq 11:08 PM - 24 August, 2016
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even with pnt, its not a problem, you bought it, it just doenst work how you want it too.

seems like ssl did work like you want it too, just map it to the s9. problem solved.
S9 will not even connect to SSL. I wish that were possible.
LJ_WOOLSEY 11:11 PM - 24 August, 2016
Use sl2 and then midi map everything to the s9 then you can live happy with SSL.
DJ Tecniq 11:26 PM - 24 August, 2016
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Use sl2 and then midi map everything to the s9 then you can live happy with SSL.
I have the SL3 and like the convenience of plug n play it is so much faster and stress free than connected a serato box. I have an old DJM 700 as well and use the SL3 with it.
PopRoXxX 2:25 PM - 25 August, 2016
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but you did read the board and you personally always used ssl if im not mistaken. you over and over said SDJ sux( you made a thread about it), so you had to know that it was not perfect. even with pnt, its not a problem, you bought it.

You're not mistaken.

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I have used SDJ with my SL3 and have had little issues if any.

Dude. You have tons of posts/comments in the past where you put down SDJ before you even tried it. And even more so when you first started dabbling with it. It's just then"Negative Nancy" in you. You are so quick with the negativity here. Nonstop. Your bad to good comment ratio is around 500 to 1.

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Use sl2 and then midi map everything to the s9 then you can live happy with SSL.

This is a really good idea if you find RB doesn't work for you 👌
DJ Demolition 2:53 PM - 25 August, 2016
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I have not seen the software get better only worse. Thanks for seeing my point of view.

You're up against the "love it or leave it" crowd. They are always standing in the way of progress. Try to talk to someone about fixing the oppressive degenerate government in this country, and you'll get the same ignorant answer. Don't let them make you doubt yourself.
PopRoXxX 2:57 PM - 25 August, 2016
No one here is saying doubt yourself. More like, be constructive with your time spent and use the correct outlets given to you
DJ Tecniq 7:51 PM - 25 August, 2016
The problems with SDJ in the past were due to my old laptop which was faulty which I no longer use since I have a new laptop now. There are still bugs that have existed since the birth of SDJ though. We are also forgetting the fact itch was merged with Scratchlive to create SDJ. "Nothing" www built from the ground up they just added on. Those are the facts. Maybe if everything was fresh from the start things would work better🤔 just saying.
DJ Tecniq 7:52 PM - 25 August, 2016
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Mr. Goodkat 8:13 PM - 25 August, 2016
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I have not seen the software get better only worse. Thanks for seeing my point of view.

You're up against the "love it or leave it" crowd. They are always standing in the way of progress. Try to talk to someone about fixing the oppressive degenerate government in this country, and you'll get the same ignorant answer. Don't let them make you doubt yourself.



just like with the govt you can vote for a 3rd party. and there are 3rd parties in the DVS game.

you guys that think SDJ has too many bugs would be well served to look into those just like some people are politically into the Green or Libertarian party. For a fairly small price you might find a solution.
DJ Demolition 1:33 AM - 26 August, 2016
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just like with the govt you can vote for a 3rd party. and there are 3rd parties in the DVS game.

you guys that think SDJ has too many bugs would be well served to look into those just like some people are politically into the Green or Libertarian party. For a fairly small price you might find a solution.


I hear you loud and clear: "love it or leave it" No shortage of fanboys on any of these forums...

You are naive.

I own them all. Itch is the best solution at the moment. Simple and effective, yet it needs work too, and of course they have abandoned it... what else would you expect from these geniuses?

SDJ is garbage. And like Tecniq says, they keep adding on 'do-dads' while ignoring the fundamental issues. Meanwhile they continue on hyping it, like it's beyond perfect, and lightyears ahead of it's time.

It would be laughable if the joke were not on us.
DJ dVO 2:30 AM - 26 August, 2016
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We are also forgetting the fact itch was merged with Scratchlive to create SDJ. "Nothing" www built from the ground up they just added on. Those are the facts. Maybe if everything was fresh from the start things would work better🤔 just saying.


You have never been so wrong, dude. Stop speculating.
DJ dVO 2:31 AM - 26 August, 2016
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SDJ is garbage.


Normal people throw out their garbage. Not sure why you're still holding on to yours. It must stinks.
DJ Demolition 2:37 AM - 26 August, 2016
I think it might have been better, if they *had* actually merged Itch and SSL in some useful way.
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Normal people throw out their garbage. Not sure why you're still holding on to yours. It must stinks.


A perfect example of the kind of "logic" we're up against here.
DJ Tecniq 6:06 AM - 26 August, 2016
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We are also forgetting the fact itch was merged with Scratchlive to create SDJ. "Nothing" www built from the ground up they just added on. Those are the facts. Maybe if everything was fresh from the start things would work better🤔 just saying.


You have never been so wrong, dude. Stop speculating.
Sam said it himself in the DVS video for SDJ. Let me link you since you have no idea what you're talking about🙄 youtu.be
Mr. Goodkat 6:42 AM - 26 August, 2016
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I hear you loud and clear: "love it or leave it" No shortage of fanboys on any of these forums...

You are naive.


whats naive about it?

if you try all the other options and you still like SDJ better with bugs and all, you can come back. im not a fanboy at all. i used SDJ for 2 years with a 900 srt and now cant use it with my 62 so ive used SSL for the last 6 mos or so.


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so what you are wanting is just an overall better product but you don't want to try other programs ?
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:18 AM - 26 August, 2016
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We are also forgetting the fact itch was merged with Scratchlive to create SDJ. "Nothing" www built from the ground up they just added on. Those are the facts. Maybe if everything was fresh from the start things would work better🤔 just saying.


You have never been so wrong, dude. Stop speculating.
Sam said it himself in the DVS video for SDJ. Let me link you since you have no idea what you're talking about🙄 youtu.be


Again you have no idea what you are talking about.

Also ITCH was the biggest fail of Serato did you not see how that got moaned about? It was the most buggy ugly peice of software ever was a right mess. SDJ blows that away by miles! How anyone can say sdj is garbage over Itch just shows how clueless you are and that you need to start reading the manual.
Prestoe 8:45 AM - 26 August, 2016
This thread turned into some soap opera sht real quick.. fukn funny
DJ Demolition 1:01 PM - 26 August, 2016
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so what you are wanting is just an overall better product but you don't want to try other programs ?


I said I owned them all... Do you really believe I haven't tried them...?
DJ Demolition 1:09 PM - 26 August, 2016
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SDJ blows that away by miles!

No... it doesn't.

If you like it, that's fine and dandy. Some people are willing to settle for less than others.
DJ Demolition 1:13 PM - 26 August, 2016
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Sam said it himself in the DVS video for SDJ. Let me link you since you have no idea what you're talking about🙄 youtu.be


Again you have no idea what you are talking about.


The way I remember it, Serato said SDJ was new software from the ground up. Which I tend to believe, because it behaves differently than Itch.
deejdave 1:27 PM - 26 August, 2016
So you still think tecniq knows what he is talking about? That is exactly what they said and what he is referring to is when Sam mentioned the "ideas" (not worth researching for exact words) and benefits were brought together into one software.

Literally says the words "serato dj was designed from the ground up......." In that same video he linked. How does an individual take those words and come up with the conclusion "nothing was built from the ground up" kinda scary no? Does it not make you question who/what you are agreeing with. Yes sdj needs work. No it is not perfect. But it is by no means garbage. Room for all opinions with no need for extremes imo. The problem I and others are having here is the delivery. As pouted out perfectly here he takes wrong info, tried to pass it off as fact and insults everyone who disagrees while doing all of this and all in an attempt to impress his fixseratodj groupies. If there was a real want and effort to see some fixes I don't think there would be an issue but if everything got fixed today there would be no need for the pity party and I don't think that is what they are looking to do. Just my opinion without attacking anyone. I think all I said is fair and accurate.
DJ Demolition 1:41 PM - 26 August, 2016
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So you still think tecniq knows what he is talking about? That is exactly what they said and what he is referring to is when Sam mentioned the "ideas" (not worth researching for exact words) and benefits were brought together into one software.


I think he's going a little "overboard", but I didn't think too much of it, because I know people tend to do that when they are cornered. I made my comment to hopefully set the record straight.

As far as SDJ being such great software, sorry... I think of it as nothing more than a blatant attempt by Serato to lift some money from our pockets. I only know one DJ who actually uses it on the job, and even he complains about it.

Sit back and watch RB blow it out of the water...
deejdave 4:27 PM - 26 August, 2016
Nothing wrong with rekordbox succeeding. Could provide the heat we need to see some changes. Believe it or not I know for a fact the guys responding here are looking for changes themselves. We all have our quarrels with this or that and are hoping against hope that they will be addressed. I know misery loves company but just don't see a point in attempting to turn every thread into the same bashing party. Not looking to have everyone pretend things are perfect either though. Just wouldn't mind seeing some constructive advising and insight sometimes. I am still tracking this thread as I am thinking of adding an s9 to the arsenal and being notified of new activity every time one person decides to reiterate the same tired and useless nonsense has become a real bore and is the only reason I fed into this to begin with. Other threads he ends up in I just simply stop tracking but I still have hopes this one can be turned positive and informative again. Don't get me wrong opinions are very much invited and in fact what I'm looking for as I know the facts on it already. Just no need to say it over and over again here, there and the other place too. Just being honest we knew this was gonna happen the day he said he had purchased an S9............. It shouldn't be that way is all. Anyways we've been down this road and I see no point in explaining to him as I said already but just figured I'd state my POV to you as you on the other hand tend to be reasonable even if you don't fully agree with someone.


Anyways that is all I will say and I am STILL hoping this can be turned around. Issues, success, stability, crashing........ Room for all just maybe keep it civil and accurate. Again by no means saying you are wrong anyways.
DJ Tecniq 5:13 PM - 26 August, 2016
Watchm.youtube.com

@ 26 seconds. Sam quotes "About 3 years ago we decided to merge Itch our controller software with Scratchlive our DVS software to create Serato DJ. Overtime we found ourselves in the uncomfortable position of maintaining two quite different products inevitably this slowed down our development and was frustrating. We decided that merging the two together was the wisest move and just had to be done"

Tell me how you can't comprehend this🙄 nothing more to be said or you have a hard time facing the facts. Serato DJ was "never" built from the ground up please stop✋🏼
DJ Tecniq 5:23 PM - 26 August, 2016
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Then why did they merge the two? Yes I know Itch was a fail. What do you think SDJ has become🤔 I will throw out facts all day. You clearly weren't listening when DVS came to SDJ. They took a software that was controller based and joined DVS with it. What more proof do you need. Lol please do your research first😉
PopRoXxX 5:25 PM - 26 August, 2016
OMG dude. Enough with this. Yes, he says that @ 0:26 stating that they decided to combine the two softwares, as in the ideas of the 2 softwares coming together (controller vs DVS). I guess the facts stated @ 1:10 in the same exact video is what you're skipping over too. Ooohhhh maaannnnnnn

😂😂😂😂😂

Put this thread back on topic already guys please
DJ Tecniq 5:31 PM - 26 August, 2016
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I guess the facts stated @ 1:10 in the same exact video is what you're skipping over
You can believe that all you want👍🏻 I remember when controllers only had the ability to use master output level cause they "forgot" about with the Rane devices until later 1.7 versions. If that ain't a fuck up I don't know what is.
PopRoXxX 6:04 PM - 26 August, 2016
NEXT!
Culprit 6:43 PM - 26 August, 2016
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You can believe that all you want👍🏻 I remember when controllers only had the ability to use master output level cause they "forgot" about with the Rane devices until later 1.7 versions. If that ain't a fuck up I don't know what is.


It's progressively getting better, and that issue was addressed and fixed. Nobody forgot anything, it was implemented, adjusted, and fine tuned.

What's your problem man. You have no idea how a company works or how structure within a software company is handled. You need to relax with these statements John Wayne. I don't see you doing anything for the dj universe lately.
PopRoXxX 6:50 PM - 26 August, 2016
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What's your problem man. You have no idea how a company works or how structure within a software company is handled. You need to relax with these statements John Wayne. I don't see you doing anything for the dj universe lately.

I literally erased my post that said this same exact thing ....... just way longer and way more sarcastic. Decided it wouldn't be worth my time or anyone else's to just keep feeding this fire we all don't want to be a part of anymore
LJ_WOOLSEY 7:36 PM - 26 August, 2016
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No... it doesn't.

If you like it, that's fine and dandy. Some people are willing to settle for less than others.

Yes it does how do you get to that it doesn't? Id love to know! Sdj has so many more features and can handle a larger library for a start. How anyone can say itch is better than sdj is just pure madness.
Mr. Goodkat 7:39 PM - 26 August, 2016
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I said I owned them all... Do you really believe I haven't tried them...?


when did you say that? and which ones to be exact?
Ragman 9:04 PM - 26 August, 2016
Unbelieveable. Now I gotta stop tracking this BS discussion. Hopefully someone will start a constructive conversation thread on the S9 again.
Mr. Goodkat 9:48 PM - 26 August, 2016
welcome to serato forums
DJ Demolition 11:42 PM - 26 August, 2016
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when did you say that? and which ones to be exact?


In my last reply to you. You'll have to look it up.

Which ones..? I say all of them, and you ask me which ones... What's wrong with this picture?
DJ Demolition 11:57 PM - 26 August, 2016
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Yes it does how do you get to that it doesn't? Id love to know! Sdj has so many more features and can handle a larger library for a start. How anyone can say itch is better than sdj is just pure madness.

If you're satisfied, that's fine by me. It's still garbage.

Every day I see ugly cars on the highway, and their owners appear to be proud of them. They probably paid twice what they were worth also, but they are blissfully unaware of these facts.

Every day in the stores I see ugly fat women with three or four ugly kids trailing along behind them. I can hardly bring myself to look at them,but judging by the trophies they have, some guys just don't have very refined taste, or maybe they are willing to settle for a lot less in life.
DJ Demolition 12:13 AM - 27 August, 2016
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Then why did they merge the two? Yes I know Itch was a fail. What do you think SDJ has become


Tecniq... I remember them saying several times that SDJ was new from the ground up. I'm sure that's true because it has some totally different characteristics from either of its predecessors.

When you are wrong on a point, it's best to just admit it.

Try not to ever use evidence you are unsure of to back up your debates. People will *never* commend you for your accurate facts,but they WILL search out the one flaw in your argument, and shriek about it incessantly until they get their way.

You can never "win" these arguments. All you can hope to accomplish is to make your point, and state your opinion.
DJ Demolition 12:31 AM - 27 August, 2016
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Nothing wrong with rekordbox succeeding. Could provide the heat we need to see some changes.

I hear you. But I'd feel a whole lot better toward the company, if they'd just listen to us and do the right thing, rather than out of desperation.
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Other threads he ends up in I just simply stop tracking but I still have hopes this one can be turned positive and informative again.


I'm not tracking that many threads myself, so I wasn't aware. With me, it was just the opposite. I'm sick of hearing all the hero worshippers kiss up to the company. Doesn't matter what the say... their actions prove they could care less what we think or like. They have one goal: make money. I was just glad to hear someone put a voice to the issue.
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Anyways that is all I will say and I am STILL hoping this can be turned around. Issues, success, stability, crashing........ Room for all just maybe keep it civil and accurate. Again by no means saying you are wrong anyways.


I hear you. I'm not intending to be confrontational either. You know me by now. I just say what's on my mind, even though it may not always be politically correct.
deejdave 1:18 AM - 27 August, 2016
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I hear you. I'm not intending to be confrontational either. You know me by now. I just say what's on my mind, even though it may not always be politically correct

Absolutely nothing wrong with that. The way it should be.
max_imus 4:25 PM - 21 March, 2017
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I remember them saying several times that SDJ was new from the ground up. I'm sure that's true


That's definitely not the case. One bug (ALAC files don't set auto gain properly, need to be reanalyzed manually) was ported from SSL to SDJ. I posted a bug report years ago, I even describe it to a Serato employee in person at a workshop last year, yet 1.9.6 and unfortunately it still hasn't been fixed.

On topic, finally got the chance to spin with an S9 last weekend, and love it. Only nuisance is the positioning of the trims, but i guess you get used to that quickly. I heard a rumor that a successor mixer will come out soon - anyone know anything about this? Otherwise, gotta order soon.
Culprit 7:43 AM - 22 March, 2017
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I remember them saying several times that SDJ was new from the ground up. I'm sure that's true


That's definitely not the case. One bug (ALAC files don't set auto gain properly, need to be reanalyzed manually) was ported from SSL to SDJ. I posted a bug report years ago, I even describe it to a Serato employee in person at a workshop last year, yet 1.9.6 and unfortunately it still hasn't been fixed.

On topic, finally got the chance to spin with an S9 last weekend, and love it. Only nuisance is the positioning of the trims, but i guess you get used to that quickly. I heard a rumor that a successor mixer will come out soon - anyone know anything about this? Otherwise, gotta order soon.


We love rumors, got a source? If its from Pioneer, it will be the R9, an S9 MK2 might be on the horizon since it will be 2 years from the original S9 announcement (August 6th 2015)
J.J. 5:24 AM - 28 March, 2017
I came here to learn about any DJM S9 MK2 news... Did a user really think Scratch Live and Itch CODE was combined?

"That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works."

I strongly believe RANE's next battle mixer (inMusic) will have a similar design to the S9.
Ragman 6:03 AM - 28 March, 2017
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I came here to learn about any DJM S9 MK2 news... Did a user really think Scratch Live and Itch CODE was combined?

"That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works."

I strongly believe RANE's next battle mixer (inMusic) will have a similar design to the S9.

I hope you're right about that. At this point things don't look so good for Rane.
Laz219 7:08 AM - 28 March, 2017
I'd love to see a new battle mixer from Rane,
I'd be skeptical of the timeline though- with the history of inmusic after an acquisition and then releasing new products.
dj zaza 1:05 PM - 28 March, 2017
I can not say anything if there be a new version. I have a S9 and I am very well, but they could insert function The selection of the pads individually, come on ddj sz, if I need a hot cue Right and Left a rool I can not. You have to set up a new page with this funtione. Surely the MK2 version will resolve this
Chino 3:08 PM - 28 March, 2017
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I'd love to see a new battle mixer from Rane,
I'd be skeptical of the timeline though- with the history of inmusic after an acquisition and then releasing new products.


I would also love to see a Rane 62mk2 with larger pads. I don't know if I completely trust inMusic Brand to PROPERLY carry on the Rane legacy. Expectations will be HIGH with regards to build quality, performance, reliability AND customer service!!
Ragman 3:16 PM - 28 March, 2017
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I'd love to see a new battle mixer from Rane,
I'd be skeptical of the timeline though- with the history of inmusic after an acquisition and then releasing new products.


I would also love to see a Rane 62mk2 with larger pads. I don't know if I completely trust inMusic Brand to PROPERLY carry on the Rane legacy. Expectations will be HIGH with regards to build quality, performance, reliability AND customer service!!

Agreed.