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#BlackLivesMatter.......NOT!!!!

DJ Remix Detroit 12:07 PM - 2 June, 2015
Seeing that we now have several threads discussing various social hot topics, I figured one more wouldn't hurt.


I'll start this thread with a simple question:

Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people? ref: www.bjs.gov


it would seem that if black lives truly mattered, black people wouldn't be the number one cause of violent crimes against other black people.

what happened to the good old virtue of cleaning your own house before trying to clean another persons mess?

saw this video this morning and there were some very good points made: Watchwww.youtube.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:22 PM - 2 June, 2015
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Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people? ref: www.bjs.gov


One doesn't have anything to do with the other. You should be comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.

The issue of "Black Lives Matter" is specifically addressing the issue of Blacks being targeted and / or killed by Cops at a disparaging rate moreso than any other race.

This is a strictly COPS vs.Blacks issue, not Blacks vs. Blacks...which in itself is STILL a tragedy, but STILL a different argument altogether.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:23 PM - 2 June, 2015
Missouri police stopped blacks more than whites in 2014

ST. LOUIS (AP) — The disparity in the rate at which Missouri authorities pulled over black drivers compared with whites last year surged to its highest level since the state began compiling data 15 years ago, the state's top law enforcer said Monday.

Attorney General Chris Koster's annual report analyzing traffic stops by race found that African-American drivers were 75 percent more likely than white motorists to be stopped on Missouri's roads based on their proportionate share of the driving-age population. That's nine percentage points higher than last year. In 2000, blacks were 31 percent more likely than whites to be pulled over.

The report is Missouri's first since the racial unrest that followed the shooting death last August in Ferguson of Michael Brown, a black, unarmed 18-year-old, by a white police officer. Koster's report shows that black drivers in the predominantly black St. Louis suburb were stopped last year at a disparity rate lower than the statewide average.

Koster cautioned that with 622 law enforcement agencies, there is no single explanation as to why the disparities exist and that the statistics don't prove law officers are making vehicle stops based on the driver's race. But Koster said in a statement that his office's analysis of nearly 1.7 million 2014 traffic stops "provides law enforcement, legislators and the public a starting point as they consider improvements to process and changes to policy to address these issues."

Law enforcement officers say racial disparities in traffic stops may appear higher in some predominantly white cities because of interstate highways or retail and tourist destinations that attract minority drivers who are not part of the local population.

The report shows that Hispanic drivers were stopped at a lower rate than white or black drivers. Law officers searched Hispanic and black drivers at a higher rate than white drivers. But of those who were searched, whites were found with contraband at a higher rate than black and Hispanic drivers.

Roughly five dozen law enforcement agencies indicated they made no traffic stops last year, Koster said.

Even though Ferguson fared better than the statewide average, that city's policing and municipal courts were widely scrutinized after Brown's shooting death touched off angry, sometimes violent protests. The case also led to demonstrations in other cities and spawned a national "Black Lives Matter" movement seeking changes in how police deal with minorities.

A grand jury and the Justice Department cleared the white officer in Brown's death, but the federal agency did release a scathing report that cited racial bias and profiling in Ferguson policing and in a profit-driven municipal court system that frequently targeted blacks.

Ferguson's police chief, municipal court judge and city manager resigned following the Justice Department's probe.

news.yahoo.com
DJ Remix Detroit 12:33 PM - 2 June, 2015
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One doesn't have anything to do with the other. You should be comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.


smdh... r u serious?

that's all you could come up with.
DJ Remix Detroit 12:36 PM - 2 June, 2015
way to answer my question too:... you wanna try this again?
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Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people? ref: www.bjs.gov
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:14 PM - 2 June, 2015
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The issue of "Black Lives Matter" is specifically addressing the issue of Blacks being targeted and / or killed by Cops at a disparaging rate moreso than any other race.





Ummmm ya, I'm gonna stop you right there Johnny boy. Instead of making shit up lets look at the actual numbers

www.washingtontimes.com

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As researchers are quick to point out, FBI data on police shootings by race is notoriously incomplete, which may explain why Peter Moskos, assistant professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York, decided to use figures from the website Killed by Police.

Based on that data, Mr. Moskos reported that roughly 49 percent of those killed by officers from May 2013 to April 2015 were white, while 30 percent were black. He also found that 19 percent were Hispanic and 2 percent were Asian and other races.

His results, posted last week on his blog Cop in the Hood, arrived with several caveats, notably that 25 percent of the website’s data, which is drawn largely from news reports, failed to show the race of the person killed.

Killed by Police lists every death, justified or not, including those in which the officer had been wounded or acted in self-defense.

“The data doesn’t indicate which shootings are justified (the vast majority) and which are cold-blooded murder (not many, but some). And maybe that would vary by race. I don’t know, but I doubt it,” Mr. Moskos said on his blog.

Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.

“If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” he said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of the police

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The fact-checking website PolitiFact concluded in August 2014 that police kill more whites than blacks after the claim was made by conservative commentator Michael Medved. PolitiFact cited data from the Centers for Disease Control on fatal injuries by “legal intervention” from 1999 to 2011.

“Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, In that respect, Medved is correct,” said PolitiFact.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:25 PM - 2 June, 2015
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Missouri police stopped blacks more than whites in 2014

ST. LOUIS (AP) — The disparity in the rate at which Missouri authorities pulled over black drivers compared with whites last year surged to its highest level since the state began compiling data 15 years ago, the state's top law enforcer said Monday.

Attorney General Chris Koster's annual report analyzing traffic stops by race found that African-American drivers were 75 percent more likely than white motorists to be stopped on Missouri's roads based on their proportionate share of the driving-age population. That's nine percentage points higher than last year. In 2000, blacks were 31 percent more likely than whites to be pulled over.

The report is Missouri's first since the racial unrest that followed the shooting death last August in Ferguson of Michael Brown, a black, unarmed 18-year-old, by a white police officer. Koster's report shows that black drivers in the predominantly black St. Louis suburb were stopped last year at a disparity rate lower than the statewide average.

Koster cautioned that with 622 law enforcement agencies, there is no single explanation as to why the disparities exist and that the statistics don't prove law officers are making vehicle stops based on the driver's race. But Koster said in a statement that his office's analysis of nearly 1.7 million 2014 traffic stops "provides law enforcement, legislators and the public a starting point as they consider improvements to process and changes to policy to address these issues."

Law enforcement officers say racial disparities in traffic stops may appear higher in some predominantly white cities because of interstate highways or retail and tourist destinations that attract minority drivers who are not part of the local population.

The report shows that Hispanic drivers were stopped at a lower rate than white or black drivers. Law officers searched Hispanic and black drivers at a higher rate than white drivers. But of those who were searched, whites were found with contraband at a higher rate than black and Hispanic drivers.

Roughly five dozen law enforcement agencies indicated they made no traffic stops last year, Koster said.

Even though Ferguson fared better than the statewide average, that city's policing and municipal courts were widely scrutinized after Brown's shooting death touched off angry, sometimes violent protests. The case also led to demonstrations in other cities and spawned a national "Black Lives Matter" movement seeking changes in how police deal with minorities.

A grand jury and the Justice Department cleared the white officer in Brown's death, but the federal agency did release a scathing report that cited racial bias and profiling in Ferguson policing and in a profit-driven municipal court system that frequently targeted blacks.

Ferguson's police chief, municipal court judge and city manager resigned following the Justice Department's probe.

news.yahoo.com



Whats not mentioned in that article is the rate on how many of those stops were justified. Let me propose a scenario. In NOLA the dowtown/uptown border used to be mainly housing projects. Before they started tearing them down to build condos after Katrina it was factually a MUCH higher crime rate than outter burbs like Metairie. Now there is no stereotyping here, the simple fact of the matter was this area was predominantly black and it was the highest crime zone. Now thats not to say it was the highest crime zone BECAUSE it was black, it simply was what it was. Now seeing that this was factually a higher crime zone area the police are more likley to be patrolling that area. If theres little to no crime in 1 area and high crime in another, odds are police will be heavier in the high crime area. Now if that high crime area happens to be in an area populated by mostly black people....who do you think are more likely to be caught committing driving infractions
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:18 PM - 2 June, 2015
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One doesn't have anything to do with the other. You should be comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.


smdh... r u serious?

that's all you could come up with.


Not at all, but that's where it STARTS.

I'm not going to debate an issue that's faulty from the door.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:48 PM - 2 June, 2015
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One doesn't have anything to do with the other. You should be comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.


smdh... r u serious?

that's all you could come up with.


Not at all, but that's where it STARTS.


Correct, it starts with a completely falty/untrue premise
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:20 PM - 2 June, 2015
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One doesn't have anything to do with the other. You should be comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.


smdh... r u serious?

that's all you could come up with.


Not at all, but that's where it STARTS.


Correct, it starts with a completely falty/untrue premise


From YOUR perspective, which to me doesn't matter...lol.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:47 PM - 2 June, 2015
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One doesn't have anything to do with the other. You should be comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.


smdh... r u serious?

that's all you could come up with.


Not at all, but that's where it STARTS.


Correct, it starts with a completely falty/untrue premise


From YOUR perspective, which to me doesn't matter...lol.


No, from facts. Once again:


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The issue of "Black Lives Matter" is specifically addressing the issue of Blacks being targeted and / or killed by Cops at a disparaging rate moreso than any other race.
Ummmm ya, I'm gonna stop you right there Johnny boy. Instead of making shit up lets look at the actual numbers

www.washingtontimes.com

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As researchers are quick to point out, FBI data on police shootings by race is notoriously incomplete, which may explain why Peter Moskos, assistant professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York, decided to use figures from the website Killed by Police.

Based on that data, Mr. Moskos reported that roughly 49 percent of those killed by officers from May 2013 to April 2015 were white, while 30 percent were black. He also found that 19 percent were Hispanic and 2 percent were Asian and other races.

His results, posted last week on his blog Cop in the Hood, arrived with several caveats, notably that 25 percent of the website’s data, which is drawn largely from news reports, failed to show the race of the person killed.

Killed by Police lists every death, justified or not, including those in which the officer had been wounded or acted in self-defense.

“The data doesn’t indicate which shootings are justified (the vast majority) and which are cold-blooded murder (not many, but some). And maybe that would vary by race. I don’t know, but I doubt it,” Mr. Moskos said on his blog.

Adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown of the U.S. population, he said black men are 3.5 times more likely to be killed by police than white men. But also adjusted to take into account the racial breakdown in violent crime, the data actually show that police are less likely to kill black suspects than white ones.

“If one adjusts for the racial disparity in the homicide rate or the rate at which police are feloniously killed, whites are actually more likely to be killed by police than blacks,” said Mr. Moskos, a former Baltimore cop and author of the book “Cop in the Hood.”

“Adjusted for the homicide rate, whites are 1.7 times more likely than blacks die at the hands of police,” he said. “Adjusted for the racial disparity at which police are feloniously killed, whites are 1.3 times more likely than blacks to die at the hands of the police

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The fact-checking website PolitiFact concluded in August 2014 that police kill more whites than blacks after the claim was made by conservative commentator Michael Medved. PolitiFact cited data from the Centers for Disease Control on fatal injuries by “legal intervention” from 1999 to 2011.

“Over the span of more than a decade, 2,151 whites died by being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks. In that respect, In that respect, Medved is correct,” said PolitiFact.



Or are you just going to ignore this again.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:21 PM - 2 June, 2015
Let me address that right quick -
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assistant professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York, decided to use figures from the website Killed by Police.


Have you even SEEN THAT website?

lmao @ where the "Sources" are from.....

So yeah....
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:36 PM - 2 June, 2015
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assistant professor at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice at the City University of New York, decided to use figures from the website Killed by Police.


Have you even SEEN THAT website?

lmao @ where the "Sources" are from.....

So yeah....



Ok, I'll humor this. Please cite the source that says more black people are killed in a year than white people
DJ Remix Detroit 5:51 PM - 2 June, 2015
Im gonna look it up when i get home, but i know i saw an article that more white ppl r killed by cops than blacks. But you dont see white folks going ape shit and acting like retarded children.
DJ Remix Detroit 5:52 PM - 2 June, 2015
But that still leaves my question unanswered. If black lives truly mattered, wouldnt blacks make sure that they werent the number one source of victimizers of their own people?
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:00 PM - 2 June, 2015
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Im gonna look it up when i get home, but i know i saw an article that more white ppl r killed by cops than blacks. But you dont see white folks going ape shit and acting like retarded children.

lol, read the thread. I posted it...TWICE. Though Johnny questions the source I am still waiting for him to provide any source showing his theory is correct.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:07 PM - 2 June, 2015
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Ok, I'll humor this.


There's nothing to humor...lmao.

Did you SEE that site? lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:08 PM - 2 June, 2015
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But that still leaves my question unanswered. If black lives truly mattered, wouldnt blacks make sure that they werent the number one source of victimizers of their own people?


Again, YOUR approach isn't necessarily the answer...

Again...

One doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the other....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 9:09 PM - 2 June, 2015
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But you dont see white folks going ape shit and acting like retarded children


So that's what Blacks are doing?
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:27 PM - 2 June, 2015
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Ok, I'll humor this.


There's nothing to humor...lmao.

Did you SEE that site? lol

Yes, what I DONT see is you posting ANYTHING that supports your claim
AKIEM 11:15 PM - 2 June, 2015
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Seeing that we now have several threads discussing various social hot topics, I figured one more wouldn't hurt.


I'll start this thread with a simple question:

Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people? ref: www.bjs.gov


it would seem that if black lives truly mattered, black people wouldn't be the number one cause of violent crimes against other black people.

what happened to the good old virtue of cleaning your own house before trying to clean another persons mess?

saw this video this morning and there were some very good points made: Watchwww.youtube.com



This is the stupidest argument ever. And you keep making it over and over again.


You cant take what two or more separate individual people say and find "hypocrisy" in the disparity between.



Why does this even have to be explained to anyone?


Why?







If a guy in California is an advocate for "police accountability" in Black neighborhoods - HE is not a hypocrite because a Black gang member shoots a Black enemy in Chicago


the notion is just absurd.




Now, if you find an individual Black dude with a #BlackLivesMatter t-shirt gang banging on anyone then I will call the dude a high level hypocrite (like remix) 100%
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:47 PM - 2 June, 2015
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Yes, what I DONT see is you posting ANYTHING that supports your claim


Again, my job is not to educate YOU....

There is nothing you can do for us.
AKIEM 1:12 AM - 3 June, 2015
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One doesn't have anything to do with the other. You should be comparing apples to apples and oranges to oranges.


smdh... r u serious?

that's all you could come up with.



Really thats all thats necessarily your entire argument rests on illogicaly conflating completely separate issues.

As I have shown its a bullshit apeal to emotion and red harring.


Next time someone complains about I'm not playing their dumb request - my answer "but dont black lives matter? "
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:45 AM - 3 June, 2015
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Yes, what I DONT see is you posting ANYTHING that supports your claim


Again, my job is not to educate YOU....

There is nothing you can do for us.

Exactly, theres no way you could educate me since im the one with resources, figures, and facts and your just making shit up. Mabye if you were teaching a creative writing class.
RogerRabbit 8:11 AM - 3 June, 2015
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Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people?

Yes, it is hypocritical.

@ AKIEM & JM
I think that is the point Remix is driving at - black on black crime does not get addressed - and this is the other "argument".

There is already a thread talking about the cops.

Even if the original mantra "Black Lives Matter" was specifically designed for the police, the same slogan is applicable against BOB crime.

I see same by community leaders, no large protests, when it against our selves.

So "black lives matter" why?

Can someone answer that question, and I am speaking in the context of BOB crime.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:33 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Exactly, theres no way you could educate me since im the one with resources, figures, and facts and your just making shit up. Mabye if you were teaching a creative writing class.


I'm not TRYING to "educate" you....lmao.

lmao @ that site....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:39 PM - 3 June, 2015
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@ AKIEM & JM
I think that is the point Remix is driving at - black on black crime does not get addressed - and this is the other "argument".


No, he's asking a "leading" question, when if acknowledged means that it is a VALID question.

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Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people


Black Lives Matter is directly addressing the issue of Cops Vs. Blacks....Period.

It has NOTHING to do with Black on Black crime....which is what he wants to talk about.

So why use a "Catch Phrase" that has NOTHING to do with Black on Black crime, and try to prove that the "Catch Phrase" isn't helping Black on Black crime...when all the time, the "Catch Phrase" has NOTHING to do with Black on Black crime in the first place.

This is akin to people trying to equate the Gay Rights thing to Slavery.

Two different animals with different contributing circumstances, and paths to resolution.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:47 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Exactly, theres no way you could educate me since im the one with resources, figures, and facts and your just making shit up. Mabye if you were teaching a creative writing class.


I'm not TRYING to "educate" you....lmao.

lmao @ that site....


lmao @ you just MSU
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:49 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Exactly, theres no way you could educate me since im the one with resources, figures, and facts and your just making shit up. Mabye if you were teaching a creative writing class.


I'm not TRYING to "educate" you....lmao.

lmao @ that site....


lmao @ you just MSU


Nobody is MSU....The internet is your oyster...
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:08 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Exactly, theres no way you could educate me since im the one with resources, figures, and facts and your just making shit up. Mabye if you were teaching a creative writing class.


I'm not TRYING to "educate" you....lmao.

lmao @ that site....


lmao @ you just MSU


Nobody is MSU....The internet is your oyster...



Your clearly MSU because you cant find a single figure on the entire internet to support your claim. Hell Johnny, find an onion article at least.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:10 PM - 3 June, 2015
LMAO, naw go to your "Site", you'll find all the info RIGHT THERE....lmao.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:14 PM - 3 June, 2015
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LMAO, naw go to your "Site", you'll find all the info RIGHT THERE....lmao.

Correct, the info that agrees with me. Wheres your site?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:16 PM - 3 June, 2015
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LMAO, naw go to your "Site", you'll find all the info RIGHT THERE....lmao.


Correct, the info that agrees with me. Wheres your site?


Of course it "agrees" with you....all the answer are there....

Enjoy.
AKIEM 2:22 PM - 3 June, 2015
That is a good point tho:

Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage

Which was more propaganda pushed by the media. And easily programmed people reapeted that nonsense.

Wait, why isn't remix upset about that? ......the hypocrisy!!!!!
AKIEM 3:28 PM - 3 June, 2015
The actual actavist protest organizer type people who support #blacklivesmatter are in fact the same exact individual people who support and organize the Stop The Violence Movement and show up to the scene lighting candles and holdings signs when a stray bullet kills a child.

The same exact people who always invite me out to stop gang violence type events are in fact the same individuals who organize #blacklivesmatter events.

Thats what's so idiotic about remix argument here.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:41 PM - 3 June, 2015
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That is a good point tho:

Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage

Which was more propaganda pushed by the media. And easily programmed people reapeted that nonsense.

Wait, why isn't remix upset about that? ......the hypocrisy!!!!!


Its true though...
AKIEM 3:58 PM - 3 June, 2015
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That is a good point tho:

Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage

Which was more propaganda pushed by the media. And easily programmed people reapeted that nonsense.

Wait, why isn't remix upset about that? ......the hypocrisy!!!!!


Its true though...


What is?
AKIEM 4:22 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people?

Yes, it is hypocritical.

@ AKIEM & JM
I think that is the point Remix is driving at - black on black crime does not get addressed - and this [i]is the other "argument"


What's true is BOBC does not get addressed until Police accountability is an issue. As soon as police accountability is on the table the actual hypocrites bring up 'but what about black on black crime?'

So the police should not be held accountable, good policies should not be in place, KKK cops are fine - as long as a black person victimizes another black person.

As long as there is any type of BOBC its fine if police beat people to death, shoot unarmed people in the back, police rape, robbery, extortion and etc.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:39 PM - 3 June, 2015
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That is a good point tho:

Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage

Which was more propaganda pushed by the media. And easily programmed people reapeted that nonsense.

Wait, why isn't remix upset about that? ......the hypocrisy!!!!!


Its true though...


What is?


That a significant portion of the black community does not support gay marriage and for someone to demand and fight for basic human rights then turn right around and support denying another human being the same rights is hypocrisy at its finest
AKIEM 4:50 PM - 3 June, 2015
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That is a good point tho:

Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage

Which was more propaganda pushed by the media. And easily programmed people reapeted that nonsense.

Wait, why isn't remix upset about that? ......the hypocrisy!!!!!


Its true though...


What is?


That a significant portion of the black community does not support gay marriage and for someone to demand and fight for basic human rights then turn right around and support denying another human being the same rights is hypocrisy at its finest


Notice you use the word 'someONE' meaning a single person. Black people are not a single person with a single mind. Black people are not generically interchangeable. That is the first part of your illogical argument.

Are White People hypocrites for not agreeing with gay marriage? A significant portion of whites continue to not support gay marriage and in fact are at the forefront of the fight against it.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:11 PM - 3 June, 2015
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That is a good point tho:

Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage

Which was more propaganda pushed by the media. And easily programmed people reapeted that nonsense.

Wait, why isn't remix upset about that? ......the hypocrisy!!!!!


Its true though...


What is?


That a significant portion of the black community does not support gay marriage and for someone to demand and fight for basic human rights then turn right around and support denying another human being the same rights is hypocrisy at its finest


Notice you use the word 'someONE' meaning a single person. Black people are not a single person with a single mind. Black people are not generically interchangeable. That is the first part of your illogical argument.



False. You are correct that I said "someone" meaning a single person. I never said black people are a single person or that they are interchangeable, as a matter fact not only did I not group all black people together at all in that post, I went the extra step to not only single out the particular group within the black community that I was referring to by saying "a significant portion of the black community" (which clearly shows that I am not talking about the entire community) but I further more used the word "someone" to designate individuals within that group. YOU interjected either what you WANTED to read or simply do not have the reading compasity to comprehend what was written. So your first argument is a fail.







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Are White People hypocrites for not agreeing with gay marriage? A significant portion of whites continue to not support gay marriage and in fact are at the forefront of the fight against it.



Possibly depending on the subset of white people in question but no, it would not be hypocrisy for someone who has never been oppressed or denied rights (or for that matter someone who's actively taken rights or opposed someone getting rights) to want to deny someone rights. That mindset is completely wrong and unjust but it is not hypocrisy
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:32 PM - 3 June, 2015
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That is a good point tho:

Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage

Which was more propaganda pushed by the media. And easily programmed people reapeted that nonsense.

Wait, why isn't remix upset about that? ......the hypocrisy!!!!!


Its true though...


What is?


That a significant portion of the black community does not support gay marriage and for someone to demand and fight for basic human rights then turn right around and support denying another human being the same rights is hypocrisy at its finest
lmao
AKIEM 5:52 PM - 3 June, 2015
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That is a good point tho:

Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage

Which was more propaganda pushed by the media. And easily programmed people reapeted that nonsense.

Wait, why isn't remix upset about that? ......the hypocrisy!!!!!


Its true though...


What is?


That a significant portion of the black community does not support gay marriage and for someone to demand and fight for basic human rights then turn right around and support denying another human being the same rights is hypocrisy at its finest


Notice you use the word 'someONE' meaning a single person. Black people are not a single person with a single mind. Black people are not generically interchangeable. That is the first part of your illogical argument.



False. You are correct that I said "someone" meaning a single person. I never said black people are a single person or that they are interchangeable, as a matter fact not only did I not group all black people together at all in that post, I went the extra step to not only single out the particular group within the black community that I was referring to by saying "a significant portion of the black community" (which clearly shows that I am not talking about the entire community) but I further more used the word "someone" to designate individuals within that group. YOU interjected either what you WANTED to read or simply do not have the reading compasity to comprehend what was written. So your first argument is a fail.


Absolutely incorrect. The premise up for debate is: Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage

You said: Its true though...

And secondly: someone

So what you are saying is that Black People(a single group), are hypocrites because a portion believe or act a certain way.

Properly, SOME black people are hypocrites (remix) just like SOME white people are hypocrites (you and chix)


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Are White People hypocrites for not agreeing with gay marriage? A significant portion of whites continue to not support gay marriage and in fact are at the forefront of the fight against it.



Possibly depending on the subset of white people in question but no, it would not be hypocrisy for someone who has never been oppressed or denied rights (or for that matter someone who's actively taken rights or opposed someone getting rights) to want to deny someone rights. That mindset is completely wrong and unjust but it is not hypocrisy


Yet you won't just say: White people are hypocrites because THEY dont believe in gay marriage.

(now, I can explain how believing in civil rights and not gay marriage is NOT hypocrisy - but thats a tangent)

And BOOM!

Again, you yourself have explained White Privilege. Not only are White People treated as individuals relatively unburdened by what other white people do/say. But White people are also unburdened by the "but you are black, you should know better" bullshit judgment.

Black people are supposed to be sensitive to gay rights - white people apparently do not have that moral baggage.

If I dont believe in gay marriage, I'm not a hypocrite because I'm black anymore than if you do believe in it and you are white.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:17 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Yet you won't just say: White people are hypocrites because THEY dont believe in gay marriage.


Correct, the same way I would not, and did not say that about blacks.

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And BOOM!

Again, you yourself have explained White Privilege. Not only are White People treated as individuals relatively unburdened by what other white people do/say. But White people are also unburdened by the "but you are black, you should know better" bullshit judgment.


Actually what you just did was a perfect example of what white privilege is. I said something very clear and specific, then you took your own racial baggage and inserted what you wanted to read into what I said and ran with it to try and prove your point in the same, way someone may see someone from another race succeed and blame it on a racial issue that didn't really exist.


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Black people are supposed to be sensitive to gay rights - white people apparently do not have that moral baggage.


False, everyone SHOULD, as humans, be sensitive to gay marriage. But if you come from a line of people who were denied the same rights and know what its like to be denied rights other people have based on an anatomical feature than you should have a better understanding.


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If I dont believe in gay marriage, I'm not a hypocrite because I'm black anymore than if you do believe in it and you are white.



Correct, you do not have to believe in it, but activley keeping rights away from someone when you are at the same time demanding your own does make you a hypocrite.
AKIEM 6:56 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage

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Yet you won't just say: White people are hypocrites because THEY dont believe in gay marriage.


Correct, the same way I would not, and did not say that about blacks.


"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

You said: "Its true though..."




Let me know when you make your mind up here.



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And BOOM!

Again, you yourself have explained White Privilege. Not only are White People treated as individuals relatively unburdened by what other white people do/say. But White people are also unburdened by the "but you are black, you should know better" bullshit judgment.


Actually what you just did was a perfect example of what white privilege is. I said something very clear and specific, then you took your own racial baggage and inserted what you wanted to read into what I said and ran with it to try and prove your point in the same, way someone may see someone from another race succeed and blame it on a racial issue that didn't really exist.



lol - No I didnt. We don't even have to use me as an example here.


You clearly think Black people have some sort of different relationship to the idea of 'gay marriage'.

I don't think so - certainly not one that makes them hypocrites.


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Black people are supposed to be sensitive to gay rights - white people apparently do not have that moral baggage.


False, everyone SHOULD, as humans, be sensitive to gay marriage. But if you come from a line of people who were denied the same rights and know what its like to be denied rights other people have based on an anatomical feature than you should have a better understanding.


LOL - you keep wavering here. So then we are back to "Black people should....." bullshit.

Again, an example of white privilege in action.


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If I dont believe in gay marriage, I'm not a hypocrite because I'm black anymore than if you do believe in it and you are white.



Correct, you do not have to believe in it, but activley keeping rights away from someone when you are at the same time demanding your own does make you a hypocrite.


I agree. So black people shouldn't demand rights / that way they won't be hypocrites if they don't believe in 'gay marriage' - beautiful


Again, you prove Black people (en masse no less) are judged differently than white people. Apparently, Black people have the extra moral burden of 'knowing better' - white people are free of that burden (supposedly lol)
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:31 PM - 3 June, 2015
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You clearly think Black people have some sort of different relationship to the idea of 'gay marriage'.


False, I do not care what black people (all of em) think about gay marriage, I do think they (fuck it, all of em) have a different relationship with civil rights, fair treatment, and being able enjoy the same rights and privledges as other humans around them.




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LOL - you keep wavering here. So then we are back to "Black people should....." bullshit.

Again, an example of white privilege in action.


False, there is no wavering here at all, my stance is ecactly the same.But once again we are back to you interjecting your own race colored views into what I wrote because I didnt even mention black people at all in what you just quoted. I said "if you come from a line of people who were denied the same rights and know what its like to be denied rights other people have based on an anatomical feature than you should have a better understanding.". Not only am I not talking about all black people here, Im not even limiting it TO just black people. What I said can be applied to all races and ethnicities yet you read it and interjected black people into it #whiteprivledge

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I agree. So black people shouldn't demand rights / that way they won't be hypocrites if they don't believe in 'gay marriage' - beautiful


Thats one way, OR the better way of going on about it which is allowing all consenting adult human beings to enjoy the same rights and privileges that other consenting adults have regardless of race, ethnicity, or sexual preference....but fuck me, right (nh nm)



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Again, you prove Black people (en masse no less) are judged differently than white people. Apparently, Black people have the extra moral burden of 'knowing better' - white people are free of that burden (supposedly lol)



False A) Here is what you quoted "Correct, you do not have to believe in it, but activley keeping rights away from someone when you are at the same time demanding your own does make you a hypocrite." Where did I even mention black people at all? Nowhere, you brought that to the table. B) I place no moral burden on anyone but its an absolute fact that some people have more experience being the victims of inequality and injustice than others and people who experience these adversitys are hypocrites if they then decide to do the same to others (waits for akiem to interject "black people" as a group into this)
AKIEM 8:03 PM - 3 June, 2015
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You clearly think Black people have some sort of different relationship to the idea of 'gay marriage'.


False, I do not care what black people (all of em) think about gay marriage, I do think they (fuck it, all of em) have a different relationship with civil rights, fair treatment, and being able enjoy the same rights and privledges as other humans around them. [white privilege]




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LOL - you keep wavering here. So then we are back to "Black people should....." bullshit.

Again, an example of white privilege in action.


False, there is no wavering here at all, my stance is ecactly the same.But once again we are back to you interjecting your own race colored views into what I wrote because I didnt even mention black people at all in what you just quoted.
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"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

You said: "Its true though..."



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I said "if you come from a line of people who were denied the same rights and know what its like to be denied rights other people have based on an anatomical feature than you should have a better understanding."
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"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

You said: "Its true though..."


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. Not only am I not talking about all black people here, Im not even limiting it TO just black people. What I said can be applied to all races and ethnicities yet you read it and interjected black people into it #whiteprivledge
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"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

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I agree. So black people shouldn't demand rights / that way they won't be hypocrites if they don't believe in 'gay marriage' - beautiful


Thats one way, OR the better way of going on about it which is allowing all consenting adult human beings to enjoy the same rights and privileges that other consenting adults have regardless of race, ethnicity, or sexual preference....but fuck me, right (nh nm)


I don't have a problem with you marrying a former man - thats your own business. If you and Chix Jenner get married I would congratulate you. lol!


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Again, you prove Black people (en masse no less) are judged differently than white people. Apparently, Black people have the extra moral burden of 'knowing better' - white people are free of that burden (supposedly lol)



False A) Here is what you quoted "Correct, you do not have to believe in it, but activley keeping rights away from someone when you are at the same time demanding your own does make you a hypocrite." Where did I even mention black people at all? Nowhere, you brought that to the table.
Just because you don't quote something doesn't mean its not still there
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"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

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B) I place no moral burden on anyone but its an absolute fact that some people have more experience being the victims of inequality and injustice than others and people who experience these adversitys are hypocrites if they then decide to do the same to others (waits for akiem to interject "black people" as a group into this)


I can't interject what was already the FOUNDATION of the discussion - LMAO at your maneuvers.





Gay Marriage is a Religious question. If you ask a religious question, you get a religious answer. The state should have no right determining who and how people can participate in a religious ceremony. If you people want to marry animals, the state should have no say in the matter. What the state should do is offer civil union rights to whoever needs them, of whatever persuasion.

My bet is that if Black people were asked if gay people should have the right to a civil union the numbers would change.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:19 PM - 3 June, 2015
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You clearly think Black people have some sort of different relationship to the idea of 'gay marriage'.


False, I do not care what black people (all of em) think about gay marriage, I do think they (fuck it, all of em) have a different relationship with civil rights, fair treatment, and being able enjoy the same rights and privledges as other humans around them. [white privilege]




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LOL - you keep wavering here. So then we are back to "Black people should....." bullshit.

Again, an example of white privilege in action.


False, there is no wavering here at all, my stance is ecactly the same.But once again we are back to you interjecting your own race colored views into what I wrote because I didnt even mention black people at all in what you just quoted.
Just because you don't quote something doesn't mean its not still there
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"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

You said: "Its true though..."



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I said "if you come from a line of people who were denied the same rights and know what its like to be denied rights other people have based on an anatomical feature than you should have a better understanding."
Just because you don't quote something doesn't mean its not still there
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"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

You said: "Its true though..."


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. Not only am I not talking about all black people here, Im not even limiting it TO just black people. What I said can be applied to all races and ethnicities yet you read it and interjected black people into it #whiteprivledge
Just because you don't quote something doesn't mean its not still there
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"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

You said: "Its true though..."



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I agree. So black people shouldn't demand rights / that way they won't be hypocrites if they don't believe in 'gay marriage' - beautiful


Thats one way, OR the better way of going on about it which is allowing all consenting adult human beings to enjoy the same rights and privileges that other consenting adults have regardless of race, ethnicity, or sexual preference....but fuck me, right (nh nm)


I don't have a problem with you marrying a former man - thats your own business. If you and Chix Jenner get married I would congratulate you. lol!


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Again, you prove Black people (en masse no less) are judged differently than white people. Apparently, Black people have the extra moral burden of 'knowing better' - white people are free of that burden (supposedly lol)



False A) Here is what you quoted "Correct, you do not have to believe in it, but activley keeping rights away from someone when you are at the same time demanding your own does make you a hypocrite." Where did I even mention black people at all? Nowhere, you brought that to the table.
Just because you don't quote something doesn't mean its not still there
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"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

You said: "Its true though..."



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B) I place no moral burden on anyone but its an absolute fact that some people have more experience being the victims of inequality and injustice than others and people who experience these adversitys are hypocrites if they then decide to do the same to others (waits for akiem to interject "black people" as a group into this)


I can't interject what was already the FOUNDATION of the discussion - LMAO at your maneuvers.




I love that you are quoting remix to comment on what I said...keep it up
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Gay Marriage is a Religious question. If you ask a religious question, you get a religious answer. The state should have no right determining who and how people can participate in a religious ceremony. If you people want to marry animals, the state should have no say in the matter. What the state should do is offer civil union rights to whoever needs them, of whatever persuasion.


ABSOLUTELY FALSE, it is far from a religious argument because you you can be married without any religion. 2 aeithiests can go to the court house, sign some papers, and have a justice of the peace do the cereminy with no religious connotations whatso ever. Beyond that the argument for gay marriage can easily be placed with the government. A friend of mine married the girl she has been dating for 8 years in Flordia. She then got a job that grants her full medical coverage. She went to add her new wife to the policy and the company told het that her wife was not eligible for any spousal bennefits because same sex marriage is not legal in Tx. So if she dies he wife will not have the legal rights granted to every traditional wife in that company. Furthermore if her spouse was in critical cindition in the hospital she would not be given privileges given to other traditional wives in that scenario. They cannot file taxes together or get marriage bennefits afforded to traditionsl couples.No sir this is far beyind a religious argument.


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My bet is that if Black people were asked if gay people should have the right to a civil union the numbers would change.


I disagree but thats opinion so I agree to disagree here.
AKIEM 8:19 PM - 3 June, 2015
Anyway, today you proved the existence of another aspect of White Privilege.

You explained how Black individuals are less often viewed as individuals and more often judged as a group member. Which gets flipped into hypocrisy because Black people actually have separate brains and can't be held accountable for each others different thoughts on various issues.

thanks for playing, congrats



And once again: The exact same people who go out to vigils when black people are killed and hold signs are the same #blacklivesmatter protesters.

If there is this hypocrisy its in the media coverage.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:21 PM - 3 June, 2015
I love that you are quoting remix to comment on what I said...keep it up
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Gay Marriage is a Religious question. If you ask a religious question, you get a religious answer. The state should have no right determining who and how people can participate in a religious ceremony. If you people want to marry animals, the state should have no say in the matter. What the state should do is offer civil union rights to whoever needs them, of whatever persuasion.


ABSOLUTELY FALSE, it is far from a religious argument because you you can be married without any religion. 2 aeithiests can go to the court house, sign some papers, and have a justice of the peace do the cereminy with no religious connotations whatso ever. Beyond that the argument for gay marriage can easily be placed with the government. A friend of mine married the girl she has been dating for 8 years in Flordia. She then got a job that grants her full medical coverage. She went to add her new wife to the policy and the company told het that her wife was not eligible for any spousal bennefits because same sex marriage is not legal in Tx. So if she dies he wife will not have the legal rights granted to every traditional wife in that company. Furthermore if her spouse was in critical cindition in the hospital she would not be given privileges given to other traditional wives in that scenario. They cannot file taxes together or get marriage bennefits afforded to traditionsl couples.No sir this is far beyind a religious argument.


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My bet is that if Black people were asked if gay people should have the right to a civil union the numbers would change.


I disagree but thats opinion so I agree to disagree here.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:22 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Anyway, today you proved the existence of another aspect of White Privilege.

You explained how Black individuals are less often viewed as individuals and more often judged as a group member. Which gets flipped into hypocrisy because Black people actually have separate brains and can't be held accountable for each others different thoughts on various issues.

thanks for playing, congrats




And you once again proved your inability to read and your ability to interject what you WANT to see into whats there. The basus of white privilege
AKIEM 8:24 PM - 3 June, 2015
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I love that you are quoting remix to comment on what I said...keep it up


I thought this was your post, my bad serato.com
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:24 PM - 3 June, 2015
Only Akiem is capable of readiing the word "someone", quote and acknowledge that "someone" refers to an individual not a group. Then infer that you were referring to a group.

Thats a talent
AKIEM 8:35 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Only Akiem is capable of readiing the word "someone", quote and acknowledge that "someone" refers to an individual not a group. Then infer that you were referring to a group.

Thats a talent


Thank you. So then your answer to "Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage" should have been: False.

Instead you went to talk about "someone".

You clearly have a problem distinguishing between a group and an individual. Your arguments use the two interchangeably without regard, especially when talking about Black People (no surprise)
AKIEM 8:40 PM - 3 June, 2015
Really its not that big of a deal when its just language. But when *you people* juxtapose the differing views/actions of individual Black people (or as a group) to make a claim of hypocrisy its not just a language problem - its a logic problem.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:05 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Only Akiem is capable of readiing the word "someone", quote and acknowledge that "someone" refers to an individual not a group. Then infer that you were referring to a group.

Thats a talent


Thank you. So then your answer to "Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage" should have been: False.

Instead you went to talk about "someone".

You clearly have a problem distinguishing between a group and an individual. Your arguments use the two interchangeably without regard, especially when talking about Black People (no surprise)



False, my entire argument, from the first post on, specified individual groups unless otherwise specifically stated . You are the one who seems unable to seperate those statements from the all encompassing group statements you WANT to see me make.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:07 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Really its not that big of a deal when its just language. But when *you people* juxtapose the differing views/actions of individual Black people (or as a group) to make a claim of hypocrisy its not just a language problem - its a logic problem.

Correct, when YOU juxtapose groups into someone elses statement about individuals for the sake of your own argument, it is indeed a logic problem
AKIEM 9:59 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Only Akiem is capable of readiing the word "someone", quote and acknowledge that "someone" refers to an individual not a group. Then infer that you were referring to a group.

Thats a talent


Thank you. So then your answer to "Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage" should have been: False.

Instead you went to talk about "someone".

You clearly have a problem distinguishing between a group and an individual. Your arguments use the two interchangeably without regard, especially when talking about Black People (no surprise)



False, my entire argument, from the first post on, specified individual groups unless otherwise specifically stated . You are the one who seems unable to seperate those statements from the all encompassing group statements you WANT to see me make.


"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

You said: "Its true though..."



Do you want to change your answer?
AKIEM 10:00 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Really its not that big of a deal when its just language. But when *you people* juxtapose the differing views/actions of individual Black people (or as a group) to make a claim of hypocrisy its not just a language problem - its a logic problem.

Correct, when YOU juxtapose groups into someone elses statement about individuals for the sake of your own argument, it is indeed a logic problem


I agree. And you dont know what juxtapose means.

The premises: "Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

You said: "Its true though..."


Do you want to change your answer?
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:09 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Only Akiem is capable of readiing the word "someone", quote and acknowledge that "someone" refers to an individual not a group. Then infer that you were referring to a group.

Thats a talent


Thank you. So then your answer to "Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage" should have been: False.

Instead you went to talk about "someone".

You clearly have a problem distinguishing between a group and an individual. Your arguments use the two interchangeably without regard, especially when talking about Black People (no surprise)



False, my entire argument, from the first post on, specified individual groups unless otherwise specifically stated . You are the one who seems unable to seperate those statements from the all encompassing group statements you WANT to see me make.


"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

You said: "Its true though..."



Do you want to change your answer?



Theres no answer to change since my actual post was very very specific on who and was was being spoken on
AKIEM 11:44 PM - 3 June, 2015
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Only Akiem is capable of readiing the word "someone", quote and acknowledge that "someone" refers to an individual not a group. Then infer that you were referring to a group.

Thats a talent


Thank you. So then your answer to "Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage" should have been: False.

Instead you went to talk about "someone".

You clearly have a problem distinguishing between a group and an individual. Your arguments use the two interchangeably without regard, especially when talking about Black People (no surprise)



False, my entire argument, from the first post on, specified individual groups unless otherwise specifically stated . You are the one who seems unable to seperate those statements from the all encompassing group statements you WANT to see me make.


"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

You said: "Its true though..."



Do you want to change your answer?



Theres no answer to change since my actual post was very very specific on who and was was being spoken on


The answer which you should want to change is:"Its true though..." unless of course you continue to believe the below is a true statement.

"Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage"

Your actual post serato.com was very unclear otherwise I would not have to ask for a clarification in the next post.
RogerRabbit 5:40 AM - 4 June, 2015
Lol - the thread turned to gay marriage debate.


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Black people are hypocrites because THEY don't support gay marriage

Which was more propaganda pushed by the media. And easily programmed people reapeted that nonsense.

Wait, why isn't remix upset about that? ......the hypocrisy!!!!!


I can agree here that it is media propaganda.

Reverse psychology by liberals - to drum up more support for gay marriage.

The republicans are the biggest opponents of gay marriage and the republican base is 97% white. Most blacks have no real swaying power in the gay marriage debate - those issues are primarily decided by whites
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:43 AM - 4 June, 2015
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I can agree here that it is media propaganda.


How so

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Reverse psychology by liberals - to drum up more support for gay marriage


Which is sad. A civilized society shouldn't have to "drum up support" to grant people basic rights


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The republicans are the biggest opponents of gay marriage and the republican base is 97% white. Most blacks have no real swaying power in the gay marriage debate - those issues are primarily decided by whites



Blacks have plenty of swaying power when paired with that 97% white republican vote
AKIEM 6:43 AM - 4 June, 2015
LMAO @ anyone who believes their rights are being violated - Black people are supposed to run to their aid.
AKIEM 6:46 AM - 4 June, 2015
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I can agree here that it is media propaganda.


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Reverse psychology by liberals - to drum up more support for gay marriage


Which is sad. A civilized society shouldn't have to "drum up support" to grant people basic rights


Marriage is a CEREMONY or a family/living arrangement - everyone has the right to that shit.


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Blacks have plenty of swaying power when paired with that 97% white republican vote


as it was
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:36 AM - 4 June, 2015
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Marriage is a CEREMONY or a family/living arrangement - everyone has the right to that shit.


It is alot more than that actually
RogerRabbit 9:03 AM - 4 June, 2015
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How so

JM and AKIEM already covered most of the point - nothing new to add

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"This is akin to people trying to equate the Gay Rights thing to Slavery."


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Blacks have plenty of swaying power when paired with that 97% white republican vote

If we had swaying power, cops wouldn't be treating us like this.
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:47 PM - 4 June, 2015
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Blacks have plenty of swaying power when paired with that 97% white republican vote

If we had swaying power, cops wouldn't be treating us like this.

Who?
AKIEM 2:52 PM - 4 June, 2015
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Blacks have plenty of swaying power when paired with that 97% white republican vote

If we had swaying power, cops wouldn't be treating us like this.

Who?


Ya moms and them - lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:01 PM - 4 June, 2015
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Blacks have plenty of swaying power when paired with that 97% white republican vote

If we had swaying power, cops wouldn't be treating us like this.

Who?


Ya moms and them - lol

oh, ok. So you were talking about people who think your a complete asshat. Gotcha
AKIEM 3:41 PM - 4 June, 2015
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Marriage is a CEREMONY or a family/living arrangement - everyone has the right to that shit.
It is alot more than that actually


You can make be it whatever you want. Like I said if you and Chix Jenner want to get married, you have my blessings. I will even fly in and dj the wedding. I'm not really a wedding dj tho.
AKIEM 3:42 PM - 4 June, 2015
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Blacks have plenty of swaying power when paired with that 97% white republican vote

If we had swaying power, cops wouldn't be treating us like this.

Who?


Ya moms and them - lol

oh, ok. So you were talking about people who think your a complete asshat. Gotcha


I'm sure they do. Nice of ya moms to to help you post here tho - explains much - lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:01 PM - 4 June, 2015
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It is alot more than that actually


You can make be it whatever you want. Like I said if you and Chix Jenner want to get married, you have my blessings. I will even fly in and dj the wedding. I'm not really a wedding dj tho.[/quote
And thats a lovely sentiment. Now if I would like to then put my new blushing bride on my health insurance policy, as other traditional couples are aloud to do, will you also be assisting with that?
AKIEM 4:08 PM - 4 June, 2015
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Marriage is a CEREMONY or a family/living arrangement - everyone has the right to that shit.
It is alot more than that actually


You can make be it whatever you want. Like I said if you and Chix Jenner want to get married, you have my blessings. I will even fly in and dj the wedding. I'm not really a wedding dj tho.

And thats a lovely sentiment. Now if I would like to then put my new blushing bride on my health insurance policy, as other traditional couples are aloud to do, will you also be assisting with that?

I'm not surprised that you would require my help in filling out forms - sure, I can help.

But states should not be certifying any type of religious type ceremony traditional or otherwise. All they should be doing is certifying Civil Unions. Separation of church and state is what should have been employed to solve this problem. But we know the gov is actually trying to tell people what to think here...
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Marriage is a CEREMONY or a family/living arrangement - everyone has the right to that shit.
It is alot more than that actually


You can make be it whatever you want. Like I said if you and Chix Jenner want to get married, you have my blessings. I will even fly in and dj the wedding. I'm not really a wedding dj tho.

And thats a lovely sentiment. Now if I would like to then put my new blushing bride on my health insurance policy, as other traditional couples are aloud to do, will you also be assisting with that?

I'm not surprised that you would require my help in filling out forms - sure, I can help.

But states should not be certifying any type of religious type ceremony traditional or otherwise. All they should be doing is certifying Civil Unions. Separation of church and state is what should have been employed to solve this problem. But we know the gov is actually trying to tell people what to think here...



Except as previously illistrated marriage is a not necessarily a religious type ceremony. As previously shown, if 2 athiests go to a court house and fill out the paperwork, they are legally married. Sorry clearly you are just wrong here. Now that thats established lets take a look at all of the legal rights that are being withheld from the the legal spouse that has 0 to do with religion. ...

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Whether or not you favor marriage as a social institution, there's no denying that it confers many rights, protections, and benefits -- both legal and practical. Some of these vary from state to state, but the list typically includes:

Tax Benefits
Filing joint income tax returns with the IRS and state taxing authorities.
Creating a "family partnership" under federal tax laws, which allows you to divide business income among family members.
Estate Planning Benefits
Inheriting a share of your spouse's estate.
Receiving an exemption from both estate taxes and gift taxes for all property you give or leave to your spouse.
Creating life estate trusts that are restricted to married couples, including QTIP trusts, QDOT trusts, and marital deduction trusts.
Obtaining priority if a conservator needs to be appointed for your spouse -- that is, someone to make financial and/or medical decisions on your spouse's behalf.
Government Benefits
Receiving Social Security, Medicare, and disability benefits for spouses.
Receiving veterans' and military benefits for spouses, such as those for education, medical care, or special loans.
Receiving public assistance benefits.
Employment Benefits
Obtaining insurance benefits through a spouse's employer.
Taking family leave to care for your spouse during an illness.
Receiving wages, workers' compensation, and retirement plan benefits for a deceased spouse.
Taking bereavement leave if your spouse or one of your spouse's close relatives dies.
Medical Benefits
Visiting your spouse in a hospital intensive care unit or during restricted visiting hours in other parts of a medical facility.
Making medical decisions for your spouse if he or she becomes incapacitated and unable to express wishes for treatment.
Death Benefits
Consenting to after-death examinations and procedures.
Making burial or other final arrangements.
Family Benefits
Filing for stepparent or joint adoption.
Applying for joint foster care rights.
Receiving equitable division of property if you divorce.
Receiving spousal or child support, child custody, and visitation if you divorce.
Housing Benefits
Living in neighborhoods zoned for "families only."
Automatically renewing leases signed by your spouse.
Consumer Benefits
Receiving family rates for health, homeowners', auto, and other types of insurance.
Receiving tuition discounts and permission to use school facilities.
Other consumer discounts and incentives offered only to married couples or families.
Other Legal Benefits and Protections
Suing a third person for wrongful death of your spouse and loss of consortium (loss of intimacy).
Suing a third person for offenses that interfere with the success of your marriage, such as alienation of affection and criminal conversation (these laws are available in only a few states).
Claiming the marital communications privilege, which means a court can't force you to disclose the contents of confidential communications between you and your spouse during your marriage.
Receiving crime victims' recovery benefits if your spouse is the victim of a crime.
Obtaining immigration and residency benefits for noncitizen spouse.
Visiting rights in jails and other places where visitors are restricted to immediate family.
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Marriage is a CEREMONY or a family/living arrangement - everyone has the right to that shit.
It is alot more than that actually


You can make be it whatever you want. Like I said if you and Chix Jenner want to get married, you have my blessings. I will even fly in and dj the wedding. I'm not really a wedding dj tho.

And thats a lovely sentiment. Now if I would like to then put my new blushing bride on my health insurance policy, as other traditional couples are aloud to do, will you also be assisting with that?

I'm not surprised that you would require my help in filling out forms - sure, I can help.

But states should not be certifying any type of religious type ceremony traditional or otherwise. All they should be doing is certifying Civil Unions. Separation of church and state is what should have been employed to solve this problem. But we know the gov is actually trying to tell people what to think here...



Except as previously illistrated marriage is a not necessarily a religious type ceremony. As previously shown, if 2 athiests go to a court house and fill out the paperwork, they are legally married.


It doesn't matter if its done by a preacher, ships captain, airline pilot, or a judge it is a religious type ceremony

it is not just signing some papers - this is what happens down a the courthouse
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Sorry clearly you are just wrong here. Now that thats established lets take a look at all of the legal rights that are being withheld from the the legal spouse that has 0 to do with religion. ...

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Wrong, its the States certification of that social institution which confers the rights. And the state could stop recognizing marriage and only recognize Civil Unions. That way EVERYONE would have the same rights and Separation of Church an State would be preserved.

And religious people could maintain their own definition of the religious ceremony. And atheists could decide whatever type ceremony they want to do. And gays can go to a gay church and do whatever they want to do in there.
AKIEM 10:01 PM - 4 June, 2015
Here - what would be wrong with this being the situation:

You and Chix Jenner have fallen in love, you want to spend the rest of life together, adopt some minority children, and merge all you legal finances.

So, at a time of your choosing you have your ceremony performed by a nakked preacher on roller skates and a thong or whatever in an accepting church. Exchange vows, cock rings, kisses and all that. The whole community recognizes you are a merried couple.

And at another time you go down to the court house and enter into a Civil Union obligating and confering all the same legal rights mentioned above.

What's wrong with that?
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:14 PM - 5 June, 2015
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False, maybe at THAT courthouse but when my brother was married at the courthouse neither he or his atheist wife has ANY of that
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:19 PM - 5 June, 2015
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Here - what would be wrong with this being the situation:

You and Chix Jenner have fallen in love, you want to spend the rest of life together, adopt some minority children, and merge all you legal finances.

So, at a time of your choosing you have your ceremony performed by a nakked preacher on roller skates and a thong or whatever in an accepting church. Exchange vows, cock rings, kisses and all that. The whole community recognizes you are a merried couple.

And at another time you go down to the court house and enter into a Civil Union obligating and confering all the same legal rights mentioned above.

What's wrong with that?



Are we talking about whats wrong with that under our current system or in the imaginary system you are proposing that dosent actually exist? Under the current system there is plenty wrong with it:



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Couples who have a civil union will not have any of the protections or responsibilities federal law provides to married couples. These include social security survivors’ and spousal benefits, federal veterans’ spousal benefits, immigration rights associated with marriage, federal spousal employment benefits, the right to file joint federal tax returns, exemptions from income tax on your partner’s health benefits, the federal exemption from inheritance tax, and many other federal protections which are denied same-sex couples whether legally joined in a civil union or a civil marriage.

Also, most other states will not recognize the legal status of your civil union, even though they would recognize the Illinois marriage of a different-sex couple. This means that when you travel or if you move to another state or country, your union may not be recognized. As a result, you should considering taking certain precautions before you travel, such as executing health care and financial powers of attorney and carrying those with you.

Finally, the most important difference between civil unions and marriage for many individuals is the second-class nature of civil unions. Civil marriage is a widely recognized and respected social structure for two people who have committed to build their life together. Civil unions are not universally understood. It is unclear whether they will be given the same level of respect as marriage in Illinois and elsewhere. What is already clear is that different-sex couples get to choose whether to enter a civil marriage or a civil union; lesbian and gay male couples are given only the civil union option.

Dj-M.Bezzle 2:23 PM - 5 June, 2015
It doesn't matter if its done by a preacher, ships captain, airline pilot, or a judge it is a religious type ceremony

it is not just signing some papers - this is what happens down a the courthouse
youtu.be

It doesn't matter if its atheists or whoever.....


You are incorrect, here is a non religious courthouse ceremony: youtu.be
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:23 PM - 5 June, 2015
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It doesn't matter if its done by a preacher, ships captain, airline pilot, or a judge it is a religious type ceremony

it is not just signing some papers - this is what happens down a the courthouse
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It doesn't matter if its atheists or whoever.....


You are incorrect, here is a non religious courthouse ceremony: youtu.be
AKIEM 3:26 PM - 5 June, 2015
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It doesn't matter if its done by a preacher, ships captain, airline pilot, or a judge it is a religious type ceremony

it is not just signing some papers - this is what happens down a the courthouse
youtu.be

It doesn't matter if its atheists or whoever.....


You are incorrect, here is a non religious courthouse ceremony: youtu.be


lol - Um, I see the exact same religious TYPE ceremony in the video I posted.

Religious TYPE, meaning LIKE. Meaning similar, but not the same.

It is a religious LIKE ceremony. Magic, lucky, special words are said. Symbolic gestures officiated by a special guy and so on.




Whats wrong with separation of church and state? The gov dissociates from matrimony all together. And instead the state simply offers a Civil Union to everyone. And that Civil Union be all the necessary legal measures.
AKIEM 3:32 PM - 5 June, 2015
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Here - what would be wrong with this being the situation:

You and Chix Jenner have fallen in love, you want to spend the rest of life together, adopt some minority children, and merge all you legal finances.

So, at a time of your choosing you have your ceremony performed by a nakked preacher on roller skates and a thong or whatever in an accepting church. Exchange vows, cock rings, kisses and all that. The whole community recognizes you are a merried couple.

And at another time you go down to the court house and enter into a Civil Union obligating and confering all the same legal rights mentioned above.

What's wrong with that?



Are we talking about whats wrong with that under our current system or in the imaginary system you are proposing that dosent actually exist? Under the current system there is plenty wrong with it:


I'm not proposing a 'new system' just minimal changes. No more change than allowing gay marriage.


Again, whats wrong with separation of church and state? The gov dissociates from matrimony all together. And instead the state simply offers a Civil Union to everyone. And that Civil Union be all the necessary legal measures.




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Like I said, expand Civil Unions to include all said protections and responsibilities.


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 These include social security survivors’ and spousal benefits, federal veterans’ spousal benefits, immigration rights associated with marriage, federal spousal employment benefits, the right to file joint federal tax returns, exemptions from income tax on your partner’s health benefits, the federal exemption from inheritance tax, and many other federal protections which are denied same-sex couples whether legally joined in a civil union or a civil marriage.

Also, most other states will not recognize the legal status of your civil union, even though they would recognize the Illinois marriage of a different-sex couple. This means that when you travel or if you move to another state or country, your union may not be recognized. As a result, you should considering taking certain precautions before you travel, such as executing health care and financial powers of attorney and carrying those with you.

Finally, the most important difference between civil unions and marriage for many individuals is the second-class nature of civil unions. Civil marriage is a widely recognized and respected social structure for two people who have committed to build their life together. Civil unions are not universally understood. It is unclear whether they will be given the same level of respect as marriage in Illinois and elsewhere. What is already clear is that different-sex couples get to choose whether to enter a civil marriage or a civil union; lesbian and gay male couples are given only the civil union option.
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It doesn't matter if its done by a preacher, ships captain, airline pilot, or a judge it is a religious type ceremony

it is not just signing some papers - this is what happens down a the courthouse
youtu.be

It doesn't matter if its atheists or whoever.....


You are incorrect, here is a non religious courthouse ceremony: youtu.be


lol - Um, I see the exact same religious TYPE ceremony in the video I posted.

Religious TYPE, meaning LIKE. Meaning similar, but not the same.

It is a religious LIKE ceremony. Magic, lucky, special words are said. Symbolic gestures officiated by a special guy and so on.


So by your definition Wrestlemania and The Apple keynote event are religious events.


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Religious TYPE, meaning LIKE. Meaning similar, but not the same.


If a courthouse wedding is similar but NOT THE SAME as a religious wedding then it is, by your own definition, NOT A RELIGIOUS EVENT.






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Whats wrong with separation of church and state? The gov dissociates from matrimony all together. And instead the state simply offers a Civil Union to everyone. And that Civil Union be all the necessary legal measures.



I see nothing wrong with that other than the fact that this is not the way it currently works so the point is null. It would be a battle for change either way. If there were an option to make civil union the baseline event that gave equal rights to everyone everywhere I would support it. Though, I feel you would be pretty upset if you met a nice young lady that was amazing enough to pull you away from this forum long enough to go down to a church to get married (because SHE wants a church wedding) and they refused to perform the ceremony because your black and shes white.
AKIEM 3:54 PM - 5 June, 2015
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It doesn't matter if its done by a preacher, ships captain, airline pilot, or a judge it is a religious type ceremony

it is not just signing some papers - this is what happens down a the courthouse
youtu.be

It doesn't matter if its atheists or whoever.....


You are incorrect, here is a non religious courthouse ceremony: youtu.be


lol - Um, I see the exact same religious TYPE ceremony in the video I posted.

Religious TYPE, meaning LIKE. Meaning similar, but not the same.

It is a religious LIKE ceremony. Magic, lucky, special words are said. Symbolic gestures officiated by a special guy and so on.


So by your definition Wrestlemania and The Apple keynote event are religious events.


No. Not any that I have seen - smh

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If a courthouse wedding is similar but NOT THE SAME as a religious wedding then it is, by your own definition, NOT A RELIGIOUS EVENT.
I didn't say it was.




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I see nothing wrong with that


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other than the fact that this is not the way it currently works so the point is null.


allowing gays to marry wasn't the way it worked either. Both are changes to the system - so what?


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Only my solution upholds the seperstion of church and state.

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If there were an option to make civil union the baseline event that gave equal rights to everyone everywhere I would support it. Though, I feel you would be pretty upset if you met a nice young lady that was amazing enough to pull you away from this forum long enough to go down to a church to get married (because SHE wants a church wedding) and they refused to perform the ceremony because your black and shes white.


We would not choose that church.

And your point is moot because churches can still refuse to marry a gay couple as it stands today. And actually churches can refuse to marry "interracial" couples today as well... so whatever.
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Yes. you did. You clearly said that marriage is a RELIGIOUS ceremony. I countered that you can get married at the court house in a non religious ceremony, you disagreed, now you are saying the courthouse is simply LIKE a religious cereminy but not one which makes my original point correct.


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boom, then we agree


Only my solution upholds the seperstion of church and state.




Sure, but the bottom line to either one is at the moment neither of these options exist and that reality is causing rights to be withheld from people.





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We would not choose that church.

And your point is moot because churches can still refuse to marry a gay couple as it stands today. And actually churches can refuse to marry "interracial" couples today as well... so whatever.

I didnt know this. Thats interesting
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Yes. you did. You clearly said that marriage is a RELIGIOUS ceremony. I countered that you can get married at the court house in a non religious ceremony, you disagreed, now you are saying the courthouse is simply LIKE a religious cereminy but not one which makes my original point correct.


No. I clearly said "religious type ceremony". And I used the word "like" to be even more clear for you.


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Only my solution upholds the seperstion of church and state.
Sure, but the bottom line to either one is at the moment neither of these options exist and that reality is causing rights to be withheld from people.


Which I am not in favor of and I gave a solution which would satisfy the most people. The only people it will not satisfy is people who want to enforce whatever type thought/belief/behavior on others.

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And your point is moot because churches can still refuse to marry a gay couple as it stands today. And actually churches can refuse to marry "interracial" couples today as well... so whatever.

I didnt know this. Thats interesting


And its because for the church marriage in not a 'public service' it is a 'religious rite.'
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No. I clearly said "religious type ceremony". And I used the word "like" to be even more clear for you.




Oh did you now..hmmm, lets go to the tape and see how bad you're lying...


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Gay Marriage is a Religious question. If you ask a religious question, you get a religious answer. The state should have no right determining who and how people can participate in a religious ceremony.



Where did you clearly say type again?
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:26 PM - 5 June, 2015
You aint got no TYPE, MSU is the only thing that you like
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No. I clearly said "religious type ceremony". And I used the word "like" to be even more clear for you.
Oh did you now..hmmm, lets go to the tape and see how bad you're lying...


Yes I did clearly use the word "type" and "like" several times to be clear.


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Gay Marriage is a Religious question. If you ask a religious question, you get a religious answer. The state should have no right determining who and how people can participate in a religious ceremony.



Obviously the context here is from the point of view of a religious person. I am not expressing my views and I am not a religious person.

If you ask a religious (person, a religious) question, you get a religious answer.

I did not think that clarification was necessary. So in that context - no, I am not talking about "type" or "like". In that regard matrimony is a religious rite in the eyes of a religious person. And thats why they gave a religious answer to a religious question.


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Where did you clearly say type again?


I said "type" when I was speaking from MY point of view and not when explaining what a religious persons view on matrimony is.



So again, if you ask a member of a church what matrimony is - most likely they will answer according to their churches position. I, on the other hand am not a member of a religion - but if you ask me I will show you that it is a religious TYPE ceremony, and when maybe not religious, it is at least religious LIKE.



Is that clear enough for you?





"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Not allowing gay marriage certainly goes against the 14th Amendment. But what should also be taken into account is the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

The State retains the power to offer a Civil Unions and conferring on that union all the necessary rights and responsibilities. Equal protection of the laws without making a law respecting an establishment of religion.
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No. I clearly said "religious type ceremony". And I used the word "like" to be even more clear for you.
Oh did you now..hmmm, lets go to the tape and see how bad you're lying...


Yes I did clearly use the word "type" and "like" several times to be clear.


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Gay Marriage is a Religious question. If you ask a religious question, you get a religious answer. The state should have no right determining who and how people can participate in a religious ceremony.


Obviously the context here is from the point of view of a religious person. I am not expressing my views and I am not a religious person.

If you ask a religious (person, a religious) question, you get a religious answer.

I did not think that clarification was necessary. So in that context - no, I am not talking about "type" or "like". In that regard matrimony is a religious rite in the eyes of a religious person. And thats why they gave a religious answer to a religious question.


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Where did you clearly say type again?


I said "type" when I was speaking from MY point of view and not when explaining what a religious persons view on matrimony is.



So again, if you ask a member of a church what matrimony is - most likely they will answer according to their churches position. I, on the other hand am not a member of a religion - but if you ask me I will show you that it is a religious TYPE ceremony, and when maybe not religious, it is at least religious LIKE.



Is that clear enough for you?





"No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

Not allowing gay marriage certainly goes against the 14th Amendment. But what should also be taken into account is the 1st Amendment:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

The State retains the power to offer a Civil Unions and conferring on that union all the necessary rights and responsibilities. Equal protection of the laws without making a law respecting an establishment of religion.



ROTFLMAO, so now you are literally MSU by saying your completely innaccurate post was innaccurate because it was a response from the point of view of someone who was not asked nor was in the conversation whatsoever. YOU brought religion into this claiming it was a RELIGIOUS CEREMONY, noone else asked for the viewpount or opinion of a religious person. In fact the religious persons opinion has no place here because in the society that we live in MARRIAGE IS NOT A RELIGIOUS CEREMONY. It certainly can be, but it IS NOT limited to one, nore is it necessary to include any religion at all. So you can sit here and argue the semantics about what words mean until you are blue in the face, it dosent change the fact that under our current system people are being denied rights by governments and private entities and anyone complaining about their rights being limited, taken away, or otherwise infringed on who then feels the need to actively take away or support the removal of rights from adults who are living their life with nothing to do with you is a hypocrite.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:36 AM - 6 June, 2015
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Derailing the thread back to original topic for a second...

Johnny stated that people cant use the Black Lives Matter in situations other than police brutality. Based on that, black peoples' lives only matter when they get beat or shot by a cop, not when they kill eachother. Is it just me that finds this disturbing?
I may be understanding this wrong, but based on what has been said above, it seems like the concensus from some of the members is that black people's lives don't matter unless the police is the one ending them.
Thoughts?



Great observation!
AKIEM 5:57 PM - 6 June, 2015
So I will ask AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual?

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ROTFLMAO, so now you are literally MSU by saying your completely innaccurate post was innaccurate because it was a response from the point of view of someone who was not asked nor was in the conversation whatsoever.
So we arnt talking about the views of "hypocritical" people who think 'marriage is only one man, one woman'? Get your story straight then

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YOU brought religion into this claiming it was a RELIGIOUS CEREMONY, noone else asked for the viewpount or opinion of a religious person.
The entire tangent revolves around why people voted against gay marriage. And if you consulted google you would find article after article explaining that the reason is religious.

www.washingtonpost.com www.pewresearch.org www.npr.org

Now I happen to not be religious - so I am obviously not talking about my point of view.

Marriage is traditionally a religious ceremony and commonly a religious ceremony. If you want to get into numbers www.patheos.com

So again marriage is a religious ceremony (no qualifiers needed). And even when not performed in a church God or other magic is often invoked - yes even down at the court house. And it remains a religious TYPE ceremony regardless. And in my opinion the state should not be certifying ANY type of CEREMONY, from wedding, baptisms, bar mitzvah, trips to mecca, or voodoo shit - none of it. 85% of people in the US are some type of religious, chances are the greater majority of marriages are considered by these people to be some type of spiritual ceremony.

Next you are going to argue that Christmas is not a religious holiday because it is ALSO a state holiday - right?

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In fact the religious persons opinion has no place here because in the society that we live in MARRIAGE IS NOT A RELIGIOUS CEREMONY.


Now THAT is the most hypocritical shit I have ever read here. So religious people, 85% of the population should not be voting on this matter.


You need Jesus
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It certainly can be, but it IS NOT limited to one, nore is it necessary to include any religion at all.
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So you can sit here and argue the semantics about what words mean until you are blue in the face,
If I were arguing semantics, I would simply consult a dictionary to prove you wrong.

But this is an argument about what the LEGAL definition of "marriage" should be. We already know the traditional religious meaning is (usually)

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Correct. And apparently allowing gays to marry does not actually resolve that issue: www.huffingtonpost.com
Senate Rejects Extending Veterans Benefits To Married Gay Couples And Their Kids

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and anyone complaining about their rights being limited, taken away, or otherwise infringed on who then feels the need to actively take away or support the removal of rights from adults who are living their life with nothing to do with you is a hypocrite.


I agree. And that certainly goes for your right to marry a man being limited while claiming certain people should not have a vote in the matter.



www.pewresearch.org

42% of Blacks favor gay marriage
53% of Whites favor gay marriage

61% of Blacks favor services for gay weddings
45% of White favor services for gay weddings

So a majority of Whites are actually fine with gays being discriminated against.

55% of White people believe it is ok for gays to be refused service - shocking!

White people are hypocrites! lol!
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Johnny stated that people cant use the Black Lives Matter in situations other than police brutality. Based on that, black peoples' lives only matter when they get beat or shot by a cop, not when they kill eachother. Is it just me that finds this disturbing?
I may be understanding this wrong, but based on what has been said above, it seems like the concensus from some of the members is that black people's lives don't matter unless the police is the one ending them.
Thoughts?



Great observation!



Incredibly poor observation. I do not see any place where he said "can't".

The same people who show up to gang shooting vigils are the same Black Lives Matters protesters.


Like if you showed up to a "stop the violence" meeting with a #blacklivesmatter t-shirt on they won't let you in. lol
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I agree. And that certainly goes for your right to marry a man being limited while claiming certain people should not have a vote in the matter.


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42% of Blacks favor gay marriage
53% of Whites favor gay marriage

61% of Blacks favor services for gay weddings
45% of White favor services for gay weddings

So a majority of Whites are actually fine with gays being discriminated against.

55% of White people believe it is ok for gays to be refused service - shocking!

White people are hypocrites! lol!


Im begining to think you simply do not understand what a hypocrite is. Most whites have never current, nor historically, been refused service simply for their genetic makeup. As a matter of fact they have a history of actively committing that practice. Therefor while still sickening, it is not hypocritical, in fact it is typical.


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Correct. And apparently allowing gays to marry does not actually resolve that issue: www.huffingtonpost.com
Senate Rejects Extending Veterans Benefits To Married Gay Couples And Their Kids

hmmmmm..... how is that possible? The magic word is supposed to grant rights to everyone.


Your, as usual, the only one arguing about magic words. The cause of supporting gay marriage INCLUDES them getting all the right and protections awarded to traditional couples. Its not just to allow people a ceremony. (Cue Akiem arguing semantics)

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If I were arguing semantics, I would simply consult a dictionary to prove you wrong.

But this is an argument about what the LEGAL definition of "marriage" should be. We already know the traditional religious meaning is (usually)

No, thats not what the argument is at all.

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Now THAT is the most hypocritical shit I have ever read here. So religious people, 85% of the population should not be voting on this matter.



Not hypocritical at all (once again you clearly do not understand what a hypocrite is). People should not be able to vote to take away a minority groups rights or dictate what other people do in their personal lives. In the same what that whites, 63% of the population, should not be able to vote to reenslave or take rights away from blacks.



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The entire tangent revolves around why people voted against gay marriage. And if you consulted google you would find article after article explaining that the reason is religious.

www.washingtonpost.com www.pewresearch.org www.npr.org


Which makes it even more laughable to that people are aloud to push their religious beliefs onto non believers in order to prevent their rights.

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Marriage is traditionally a religious ceremony and commonly a religious ceremony. If you want to get into numbers www.patheos.com

So again marriage is a religious ceremony (no qualifiers needed). And even when not performed in a church God or other magic is often invoked - yes even down at the court house.


Your talking circles here. First you say it COMMONLY a religious ceremony then you say it IS a religious ceremony, with no qualifiers needed. It is COMMONLY a religious ceremony because, as you pointed out, the greater number of the population is religious. Just because something is common does not make that trait all encompassing. For example black people are COMMONLY found in prison, that does not make being black a crime.

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So we arnt talking about the views of "hypocritical" people who think 'marriage is only one man, one woman'? Get your story straight then


Nope, again, as Ive repeatedly stated, we are talking about how it it "hypocritical" for someone to fight for and demand rights as a human being then turn around and prevent others for having thsoe same rights.
DJ Remix Detroit 5:19 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Derailing the thread back to original topic for a second...

Johnny stated that people cant use the Black Lives Matter in situations other than police brutality. Based on that, black peoples' lives only matter when they get beat or shot by a cop, not when they kill eachother. Is it just me that finds this disturbing?
I may be understanding this wrong, but based on what has been said above, it seems like the concensus from some of the members is that black people's lives don't matter unless the police is the one ending them.
Thoughts?


Exactly... this is my whole point!
DJ Remix Detroit 5:26 PM - 7 June, 2015
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No, he's asking a "leading" question, when if acknowledged means that it is a VALID question.

The question is
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Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people


Black Lives Matter is directly addressing the issue of Cops Vs. Blacks....Period.


so sad, JM, you are trapped in a logical corner.... so instead of just admitting how dumb black people are for putting all their energy behind cops killing black people, when blacks are the ones taking the most black lives in this country.... you'd rather argue that a general slogan of "BLACK LIVES MATTER" only pertains to cops killing black peoplethugs.

everytime you guys post, you continue to prove my point of how ignorant and blatantly dishonest the majority of black folks are..... smh
DJ Remix Detroit 5:30 PM - 7 June, 2015
Watchwww.youtube.com

Here's another video of more blacks beating the crap out of other blacks.... and then when a rational black person intervenes to try and break it up.... what happens?

the "black lives matter" mob turns on him and start viciously beating him... and the black person filming it screams repeatedly: "kill him".


but black lives matter right?...smh

where is Darren Wilson when you need him?
AKIEM 6:22 PM - 7 June, 2015
Yup, you guys are right! They should have used the hash tag.

#BlackLivesShouldMatterToTheAuthoritiesLikeOtherLivesBecauseRightNowTh
atDoesNotSeemToBeTheCaseButWeStillCareAboutBlackOnBlackCrimeWhichHasAD
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AKIEM 6:27 PM - 7 June, 2015
LMAO @ Its hypocritical because the catch phrase doesn't explain everything
AKIEM 8:10 PM - 7 June, 2015
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@Akiem and DJ Johnny

Do you guys think that black lives matter?


To me: yes. To far too many people: no (even here on the forum)

What's your answer?
DJ Remix Detroit 8:31 PM - 7 June, 2015
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To far too many people: no


if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... wouldn't it be reasonable for other to not take their advocacy seriously?

that's like me asking people to care about helping me lose weight.... yet every meal i'm at mcdonalds eat a super sized big mac meal....

would they be wrong to not help me lose weight since i'm not even willing to help myself first?
AKIEM 8:43 PM - 7 June, 2015
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To far too many people: no


if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... wouldn't it be reasonable for other to not take their advocacy seriously?


Can you show us one of these activists turn murderer? Because I think you are just fantasizing. I highly doubt those activists are the ones committing all the murders.
DJ Remix Detroit 8:53 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Can you show us one of these activists turn murderer?


murder? no... but here are plenty that are destroying property in their own neighborhoods where the majority of blacks reside. if black lives mattered, why would they destroy black neighborhoods? wouldn't it make more sense to destroy the neighborhoods of the cops?


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I highly doubt those activists are the ones committing all the murders.

and that is probably very true....then why don't they tackle the problem that is taking the most black lives?

that's like the store owner putting all of his energy into stopping a customer who stealing $.25 packs of gum.... instead of going after the employee who is stealing $1000 out of the safe every night.
DJ Remix Detroit 8:59 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Can you show us one of these activists turn murderer?


murder? no... but here are plenty that are destroying property in their own neighborhoods where the majority of blacks reside. if black lives mattered, why would they destroy black neighborhoods? wouldn't it make more sense to destroy the neighborhoods of the cops?



media.breitbart.com
dailycaller.com
i.imgur.com
i.guim.co.uk

and these are all black faces... destroying black communities.... you can't blame whitey this time...lol
AKIEM 9:20 PM - 7 June, 2015
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@Akiem All lives matter equally.
I agree(well in general)
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If people think black lives matter whether its them getting killed by a cop or in a terrorist attack or gamg warfare or whatever, why is it that '#blacklivesmatter' only applies to police brutality?


Because its only a HASHTAG. Its a catch phrase not a manifesto. It does not perfectly encapsulate every single point on their platform.
DJ Remix Detroit 9:27 PM - 7 June, 2015
Watchwww.youtube.com

Some more BLACK people attacking and beating other BLACK people....

#BlackLivesMatter
AKIEM 9:29 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Can you show us one of these activists turn murderer?


murder? no...
...so then your premise "if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them..." is ridiculously false.

Your argument holds absolutely no water.
DJ Remix Detroit 9:30 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Can you show us one of these activists turn murderer?


murder? no...
...so then your premise "if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them..." is ridiculously false.

Your argument holds absolutely no water.


murder isn't the only way to destroy a black life... nice try though
AKIEM 9:34 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Watchwww.youtube.com

Some more BLACK people attacking and beating other BLACK people....

#BlackLivesMatter


And you are saying those chix are social activist involved in the movement for police accountability? Where does your information come from - do you know them?
DJ Remix Detroit 9:35 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Can you show us one of these activists turn murderer?


murder? no...
...so then your premise "if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them..." is ridiculously false.

Your argument holds absolutely no water.


and besides.... what about the no snitch policy that runs rampant in the black inner city neighborhoods? the people that refuse to help police identify and capture drug dealers/murderers/gang members etc... are just as guilty as the thugs themselves.....

so even if the people aren't the actual murders..... they are still enabling behavior that ultimately destroys black lives.
DJ Remix Detroit 9:37 PM - 7 June, 2015
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police accountability?


what does police accountability have to do with "black lives matter"? last time i checked police accountability would produce a slogan that fit the scenario....

black lives matter indicates that blacks are specifically being targeted, when statistically that has been proven to not be the case.
AKIEM 9:38 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Can you show us one of these activists turn murderer?


murder? no...
...so then your premise "if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them..." is ridiculously false.

Your argument holds absolutely no water.


murder isn't the only way to destroy a black life... nice try though


I did not say it was.

Again your claim that #blacklivesmatter activists are the ones murdering black people is false.

correct?
DJ Remix Detroit 9:40 PM - 7 June, 2015
black guy shoots and kills two black children then kills the black father....
Watchwww.youtube.com


#blacklivesmatter
DJ Remix Detroit 9:41 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Again your claim that #blacklivesmatter activists


where did i say "blacklivesmatter activists".... please show me the quote where i said that?
AKIEM 9:43 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Can you show us one of these activists turn murderer?


murder? no...
...so then your premise "if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them..." is ridiculously false.

Your argument holds absolutely no water.


and besides.... what about the no snitch policy that runs rampant in the black inner city neighborhoods? the people that refuse to help police identify and capture drug dealers/murderers/gang members etc... are just as guilty as the thugs themselves.....

so even if the people aren't the actual murders..... they are still enabling behavior that ultimately destroys black lives.



The amount of ridiculous unfounded nonsense you are blaming on those activists is incredible.

Claiming they are out murdering people... Wow.
DJ Remix Detroit 9:44 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter"


^this is what I said.... see how you blatantly lie to put words in my mouth to try and make your weak arguments seem valid?

BAM!!! you are caught red handed.... i never "claimed it was "blacklivesmatter activists"... i just said it was blacks.... because the majority of people who are screaming "blacklivesmatter" are black.

lets see you try and lie and squirm out of that...smh...typical
AKIEM 9:45 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Again your claim that #blacklivesmatter activists


where did i say "blacklivesmatter activists".... please show me the quote where i said that?


"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "
DJ Remix Detroit 9:45 PM - 7 June, 2015
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nonsense you are blaming on those activists


agains who said anything about activists?.... only you.

this is what i said:
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Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter"



where did i say activists?.... stop being dishonest by putting words in my mouth
DJ Remix Detroit 9:46 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Again your claim that #blacklivesmatter activists


where did i say "blacklivesmatter activists".... please show me the quote where i said that?


"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "


so someone advocating something makes them an "activist"????
DJ Remix Detroit 9:47 PM - 7 June, 2015
last time i checked someone on the extreme side of advocacy was an activist...imma check though
DJ Remix Detroit 9:49 PM - 7 June, 2015
yup... here we go:

noun
1.
an especially active, vigorous advocate of a cause, especially a political cause.
adjective
2.
of or relating to activism or activists:
an activist organization for environmental concern.
3.
advocating or opposing a cause or issue vigorously, especially a political cause:
Activist opponents of the president picketed the White House.

dictionary.reference.com
AKIEM 9:50 PM - 7 June, 2015
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black guy shoots and kills two black children then kills the black father....
Watchwww.youtube.com


#blacklivesmatter


Does he have on a #blacklivesmatter T-shirt?

How do you know this dude is #blacklivesmatter advocate?

Where are you getting your information from?
DJ Remix Detroit 9:52 PM - 7 June, 2015
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black guy shoots and kills two black children then kills the black father....
Watchwww.youtube.com


#blacklivesmatter


Does he have on a #blacklivesmatter T-shirt?

How do you know this dude is #blacklivesmatter advocate?

Where are you getting your information from?


wow... that's your only argument is to pinpoint "activists"... which i never even said... sad

typical black person mentality...you keep proving my point
AKIEM 9:53 PM - 7 June, 2015
LMAO!!! Remix, you are using semantics against your own argument.

cmon dude.
AKIEM 9:56 PM - 7 June, 2015
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black guy shoots and kills two black children then kills the black father....
Watchwww.youtube.com


#blacklivesmatter


Does he have on a #blacklivesmatter T-shirt?

How do you know this dude is #blacklivesmatter advocate?

Where are you getting your information from?


wow... that's your only argument is to pinpoint "activists"... which i never even said... sad

typical black person mentality...you keep proving my point


Obviously not my only argument LMAO have you seen this thread? Good Lord
DJ Remix Detroit 9:59 PM - 7 June, 2015
Lil wayne advocating shooting niggers in the head:

"Come outside late at night to your surprise I'm here with Tecks
Two shots knock off the niggas necks, it's so realistic"

www.metrolyrics.com



shooting niggers in the neck....yup.... #blacklivesmatter
DJ Remix Detroit 9:59 PM - 7 June, 2015
man i could go all day...lol
DJ Remix Detroit 10:00 PM - 7 June, 2015
black female kills black kids and stuffs them in the freezer

www.nbcnews.com


#blacklivesmatter
DJ Remix Detroit 10:03 PM - 7 June, 2015
can't forget about chicago rapper lil mojo killed in a drive by:

Watchwww.youtube.com

and i'm almost certain that it wasn't KKK members on horseback that pulled up and shot this young black male...

#blacklivesmatter
AKIEM 10:05 PM - 7 June, 2015
Remix, your claim that the very people advocating (activists or whatever) black lives are the main ones taking them is just absurd.

Is Wayne a #blacklivesmatter advocate/activist?

I dont doubt that fool had on a shirt - HE is a hypocrite for that. HIM.
DJ Remix Detroit 10:08 PM - 7 June, 2015
how ironic.... at lil jojos funeral, nothing but blacks in the parking lot chanting lil jojos violent rap lyrics.... the same lyrics that advocate killer other niggers:
Watchwww.youtube.com

#blacklivesmatter
AKIEM 10:09 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter"


^this is what I said.... see how you blatantly lie to put words in my mouth to try and make your weak arguments seem valid?

BAM!!! you are caught red handed.... i never "claimed it was "blacklivesmatter activists"... i just said it was blacks.... because the majority of people who are screaming "blacklivesmatter" are black.

lets see you try and lie and squirm out of that...smh...typical



You said a lot of shit. Where I am specifically proving you are false is in your premise which I will directly quote: "if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them..."

Pretending I am talking about some other shit you said is very dishonest

"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them..."

You agree this is false correct?
AKIEM 10:11 PM - 7 June, 2015
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how ironic.... at lil jojos funeral, nothing but blacks in the parking lot chanting lil jojos violent rap lyrics.... the same lyrics that advocate killer other niggers:
Watchwww.youtube.com

#blacklivesmatter


and are those people black lives matter activists?
DJ Remix Detroit 10:11 PM - 7 June, 2015
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your claim that the very people advocating (activists or whatever


see how you keep throwing that word "activists" around? when i never said activist.... i've only said "black people".

now you try to mask your fuck up by shielding it with parenthesis and chasing it with "or whatever"....

it's ok to admit you fucked up man...lol
AKIEM 10:12 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Again your claim that #blacklivesmatter activists


where did i say "blacklivesmatter activists".... please show me the quote where i said that?


"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "


so someone advocating something makes them an "activist"????


LOL
DJ Remix Detroit 10:14 PM - 7 June, 2015
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You said a lot of shit.


lets stick with what i said exactly and not throw words in my mouth to try and prove your non valid point:

again, i said:
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Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people? ref:


i said "blacks" and "violent crime"........ you came out the blue with "activists" and "murder"....

and i'm the one playing semantics?

just admit it.... you got caught being dishonest.
DJ Remix Detroit 10:14 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Again your claim that #blacklivesmatter activists


where did i say "blacklivesmatter activists".... please show me the quote where i said that?


"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "


so someone advocating something makes them an "activist"????


LOL


just "LOL"... yup.... defeated.
DJ Remix Detroit 10:16 PM - 7 June, 2015
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how ironic.... at lil jojos funeral, nothing but blacks in the parking lot chanting lil jojos violent rap lyrics.... the same lyrics that advocate killer other niggers:
Watchwww.youtube.com

#blacklivesmatter


and are those people black lives matter activists?


who said anything about activists?

...moving on
AKIEM 10:19 PM - 7 June, 2015
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your claim that the very people advocating (activists or whatever


see how you keep throwing that word "activists" around? when i never said activist.... i've only said "black people".

now you try to mask your fuck up by shielding it with parenthesis and chasing it with "or whatever"....

it's ok to admit you fucked up man...lol


Tell yourself that.

I dont care what you are specifically calling them, thats your semantics game

"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "

activists, advocates, - I dont care what you can them.


LMAO at trying to split hairs there then posting the dictionary deffenition LMAO
DJ Remix Detroit 10:23 PM - 7 June, 2015
wow.... coming from the #Blacklivesmatter official website: blacklivesmatter.com

"#BlackLivesMatter was created in 2012 after Trayvon Martin’s murderer, George Zimmerman, was acquitted for his crime, and dead 17-year old Trayvon was post-humously placed on trial for his own murder. Rooted in the experiences of Black people in this country who actively resist our de-humanization, #BlackLivesMatter is a call to action and a response to the virulent anti-Black racism that permeates our society.Black Lives Matter is a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of Black people by police and vigilantes."


DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:22 AM - 2 June, 2015
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The issue of "Black Lives Matter" is specifically addressing the issue of Blacks being targeted and / or killed by Cops at a disparaging rate moreso than any other race.


you are wrong sir... the movement was spear headed by the TM incident... and last time I checked GZ wasn't a cop....

and from the horses mouth it says it is a movement against racism and goes beyond blacks being killed by cops..... but i guess it doesn't go to the number one source that is responsible for taking black lives..... OTHER BLACKS

...typical
DJ Remix Detroit 10:24 PM - 7 June, 2015
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I dont care what you can them.


of course you don't, because you are dishonest
DJ Remix Detroit 10:28 PM - 7 June, 2015
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"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "


exactly....black people are the main ones advocating black lives.... and its negroes who are the main ones taking them
AKIEM 10:30 PM - 7 June, 2015
"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "

Activist
noun
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an especially active, vigorous advocate of a cause, especially a political cause.

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see how you keep throwing that word "activists" around? when i never said activist....


Fine.

I'm still waiting for you to show the ADVOCATE of black Libes matter who is murdering black people.

Who?
DJ Remix Detroit 10:30 PM - 7 June, 2015
that's like me advocating saving an endangered species, yet i'm the main one out there hunting that same animal down....

makes no damn sense at all... and i shouldn't get mad if people look at me like I'm stupid.
DJ Remix Detroit 10:32 PM - 7 June, 2015
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"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "

Activist
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an especially active, vigorous advocate of a cause, especially a political cause.

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see how you keep throwing that word "activists" around? when i never said activist....


Fine.

I'm still waiting for you to show the ADVOCATE of black Libes matter who is murdering black people.

Who?



see how you ignore "especially active and vigorous"..... that is what separates an advocate from an activist....

you need to be more honest sir
DJ Remix Detroit 10:34 PM - 7 June, 2015
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I'm still waiting for you to show the ADVOCATE of black Libes matter who is murdering black people.


again... when did i say "murder"? i said:

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Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people?



again you are adding and twisting words to fit you agenda... typical of you people
AKIEM 10:35 PM - 7 June, 2015
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I dont care what you can them.


of course you don't, because you are dishonest


"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "
DJ Remix Detroit 10:36 PM - 7 June, 2015
how do you expect to have an honest debate if all you do is make arguments out of things people never said?


oh wait... i forgot who i'm talking to.... an "honest" debate isn't what you are seeking...lol
DJ Remix Detroit 10:38 PM - 7 June, 2015
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I dont care what you can them.


of course you don't, because you are dishonest


"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "


Q: who are the very people advocating blacklivesmatter the most? A: black people

Q: who are the ver people taking the most black lives? A: black people



that's the problem
AKIEM 10:39 PM - 7 June, 2015
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I'm still waiting for you to show the ADVOCATE of black Libes matter who is murdering black people.


again... when did i say "murder"? i said:

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Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people?



again you are adding and twisting words to fit you agenda... typical of you people



LMAO you yourself posted the dictionary def showing that an activist is and advocate.

"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "

So I will just go back to quoting your exact words..

"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "
AKIEM 10:39 PM - 7 June, 2015
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You said a lot of shit.


lets stick with what i said exactly and not throw words in my mouth to try and prove your non valid point:

again, i said:
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Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people? ref:


i said "blacks" and "violent crime"........ you came out the blue with "activists" and "murder"....

and i'm the one playing semantics?

just admit it.... you got caught being dishonest.




Let me quote you

"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "
AKIEM 10:43 PM - 7 June, 2015
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wow.... coming from the #Blacklivesmatter official website: blacklivesmatter.com

"#BlackLivesMatter was created in 2012 after Trayvon Martin’s murderer, George Zimmerman, was acquitted for his crime, and dead 17-year old Trayvon was post-humously placed on trial for his own murder. Rooted in the experiences of Black people in this country who actively resist our de-humanization, #BlackLivesMatter is a call to action and a response to the virulent anti-Black racism that permeates our society.Black Lives Matter is a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of Black people by police and vigilantes."


DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:22 AM - 2 June, 2015
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The issue of "Black Lives Matter" is specifically addressing the issue of Blacks being targeted and / or killed by Cops at a disparaging rate moreso than any other race.


you are wrong sir... the movement was spear headed by the TM incident... and last time I checked GZ wasn't a cop....

and from the horses mouth it says it is a movement against racism and goes beyond blacks being killed by cops..... but i guess it doesn't go to the number one source that is responsible for taking black lives..... OTHER BLACKS

...typical


Does it say they dont care about black.on black crime?

I certainly do not see that part.

And I def do not see where these people murdered, pardon me TOOK any black lives


"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "

OR can I not use "took" - taken?

lol
DJ Remix Detroit 10:45 PM - 7 June, 2015
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LMAO you yourself posted the dictionary def showing that an activist is and advocate.


and you choose to ignore the very actions that separate an advocate from an activist....



a ford f-150 and a chevy nova are both vehicles, but they are not both pick-up trucks.
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an especially active, vigorous advocate of a cause, especially a political cause.

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see how you keep throwing that word "activists" around? when i never said activist....





see how you ignore "especially active and vigorous"..... that is what separates an advocate from an activist....



just because a person advocates something , it doesn't automatically make them an activist... there are certain characteristics that the advocate has to display in order to become an activist....

lets try and be honest for once Akiem
AKIEM 10:48 PM - 7 June, 2015
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If the majority of #blacklivesmatter activists are black

And

The majority of people killing blacks are black

Then isn't it logical to assume there is overlap with the 2 groups?



Um no - LMAO!!!

How about some numbers? Because I can guarantee you that all the ALL the activists and all the murderers can be accounted for numerically with no over lap.


I'm sure there are some hypocrites out there tho like Lil Wayne. But how does HE being a hypocrite make me, or anyone else besides HE HIMSELF?
AKIEM 10:50 PM - 7 June, 2015
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LMAO you yourself posted the dictionary def showing that an activist is and advocate.


and you choose to ignore the very actions that separate an advocate from an activist....



a ford f-150 and a chevy nova are both vehicles, but they are not both pick-up trucks.
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see how you keep throwing that word "activists" around? when i never said activist....
see how you ignore "especially active and vigorous"..... that is what separates an advocate from an activist....



just because a person advocates something , it doesn't automatically make them an activist... there are certain characteristics that the advocate has to display in order to become an activist....

lets try and be honest for once Akiem



Ok. Captain semantical. How does that change the argument in any way whatsoever???



"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "

FALSE
DJ Remix Detroit 10:52 PM - 7 June, 2015
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I'm sure there are some hypocrites out there tho like Lil Wayne. But how does HE being a hypocrite make me, or anyone else besides HE HIMSELF?


same question is asked when a white cop kills a black man.... how does that make the other police forces in america racists targeting black people?


it goest both ways.... if blacks don't want to be lumped in the same category as the "few bad apples".... then the same consideration should be shown when you have isolated incidents of police killing black males. (although most of the black males that are killed by police are resisting arrest or doing something in the nature of threatening the cops life)
DJ Remix Detroit 10:53 PM - 7 June, 2015
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"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "

FALSE


blacks are the main ones advocating "black lives matter"

blacks are the main ones taking black lives


TRUE
AKIEM 11:02 PM - 7 June, 2015
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I'm sure there are some hypocrites out there tho like Lil Wayne. But how does HE being a hypocrite make me, or anyone else besides HE HIMSELF?


same question is asked when a white cop kills a black man.... how does that make the other police forces in america racists targeting black people?


It doesn't. smh

But certainly may be a part of said situation.


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it goest both ways.... if blacks don't want to be lumped in the same category as the "few bad apples".... then the same consideration should be shown when you have isolated incidents of police killing black males.


I agree. Then YOU should quit lumping black people into the same category. But you can't because thats what your arguments depqnd on.


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(although most of the black males that are killed by police are resisting arrest or doing something in the nature of threatening the cops life)


But not all. Some are in fact unarmed and not a threat.
DJ Remix Detroit 11:05 PM - 7 June, 2015
“white police officers wouldn’t be there if you weren’t killing each other.”

www.nbcnews.com


Now that's deep...
DJ Remix Detroit 11:08 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Then YOU should quit lumping black people into the same category.


not really, because i'm not the run crying about people generalizing.

i could give a shit less if people generalize the black community... i firmly believe people have the right to say what they want.... i don't try to shut anyone up.
AKIEM 11:08 PM - 7 June, 2015
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"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "

FALSE


blacks are the main ones advocating "black lives matter"

blacks are the main ones taking black lives


TRUE


Actually in some cities its mostly white people advocating blacklivesmatter. And actually if you did an analysis there is probably a huge number of non-blacks doing this advocating. I guess if one of them types went and murdered/ took a black life they would be a hypocrite too


Either way calling a black person hypocrite because SOME OTHER black person kills someone is just absurd.


"if the very people advocating black lives are the main ones taking them... "
DJ Remix Detroit 11:10 PM - 7 June, 2015
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But you can't because thats what your arguments depqnd on.


again, if i was crying about people generalizing then you point would be valid.


you constantly hear black crying about how they are being generalized with the "bad apples".... but when an isolated incident happens with the police, they have no problem generalizing the cops.


this is one of the things that make most blacks hypocritical.
DJ Remix Detroit 11:12 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Actually in some cities its mostly white people advocating blacklivesmatter.


there you go again point to the exception.... this is not the rule sir.


the MAJORITY of people crying about #blacklivesmatter are black.


smh.... do you see how you always curve over to the anomaly during these debates?
DJ Remix Detroit 11:14 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Either way calling a black person hypocrite because SOME OTHER black person kills someone is just absurd.


Either way Calling a white cop racist because SOME OTHER white cop kills someone is absurd.



yup.... tell that to your brothas & sistas.


#blacklivesmatter
AKIEM 11:14 PM - 7 June, 2015
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Then YOU should quit lumping black people into the same category.


not really, because i'm not the run crying about people generalizing.

i could give a shit less if people generalize the black community... i firmly believe people have the right to say what they want.... i don't try to shut anyone up.



And Im not crying about generalizing either. I do it all the time, only I do it where it is not a logical fallacy.

And say what you want... who cares, you are still wrong.


And I'm still laughing about you claiming cops should not be generalized, but all you do is incorrectly generalize black people.

A black person is not a hypocrite because SOME OTHER black person is a murderer.

Shits just dumb as hell.
DJ Remix Detroit 11:15 PM - 7 June, 2015
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who cares, you are still wrong.


only in your mind
DJ Remix Detroit 11:18 PM - 7 June, 2015
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And I'm still laughing about you claiming cops should not be generalized, but all you do is incorrectly generalize black people.


smh.... you still don't get it.


i don't care if people generalize cops..... my point is that if you think generalizing is wrong then you shouldn't generalize... that's called being a hypocrite.


black always bitch and complain about people generalizing them.... but when isolated incidents happen with cops.... they have no problem generalizing the cops.



my argument is about the hypocrisy.... not the generalizing
DJ Remix Detroit 11:19 PM - 7 June, 2015
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A black person is not a hypocrite because SOME OTHER black person is a murderer.


this has never been my argument.... c'mon.... pull some more shit out of your ass Akiem
DJ Remix Detroit 11:19 PM - 7 June, 2015
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A black person is not a hypocrite because SOME OTHER black person is a murderer.


a black person is a hypocrite when they go after someone for doing the same thing they do themselves
DJ Remix Detroit 11:25 PM - 7 June, 2015
A) white person: who was robbed by blacks: "blacks are violent"



B) black person shot by cops: "cops are racist"


both are generalizations based off of isolated incidents but the majority of blacks would have a huge problem with statement A..... but would not have an issue with statement B.


this is called hypocrisy.
DJ Remix Detroit 11:28 PM - 7 June, 2015
A) white person shot by blacks: "blacks are violent"



B) black person shot by cops: "cops are racist"


both are generalizations based off of isolated incidents but the majority of blacks would have a huge problem with statement A..... but would not have an issue with statement B.


this is called hypocrisy.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:07 AM - 8 June, 2015
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@Akiem and DJ Johnny

Do you guys think that black lives matter?


Are you asking me if "I" think black lives matter or if I THINK other people think "black lives matter"?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:12 AM - 8 June, 2015
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Johnny stated that people cant use the Black Lives Matter in situations other than police brutality. Based on that, black peoples' lives only matter when they get beat or shot by a cop, not when they kill eachother. Is it just me that finds this disturbing?

I may be understanding this wrong, but based on what has been said above, it seems like the concensus from some of the members is that black people's lives don't matter unless the police is the one ending them.

Thoughts?


What? THAT'S hwo you interpreted what I said?

I specifically said -
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Black Lives Matter is directly addressing the issue of Cops Vs. Blacks....Period.

It has NOTHING to do with Black on Black crime....which is what he (Remix) wants to talk about.


Remix was trying to attach a SEPARATE situation / argument to a saying that didn't have anything to do with where he was going, but he tried to apply it anyway.

All the rest of what you "formulated" is based on your faulty interpretation of what I said.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:13 AM - 8 June, 2015
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Derailing the thread back to original topic for a second...



Johnny stated that people cant use the Black Lives Matter in situations other than police brutality. Based on that, black peoples' lives only matter when they get beat or shot by a cop, not when they kill eachother. Is it just me that finds this disturbing?

I may be understanding this wrong, but based on what has been said above, it seems like the concensus from some of the members is that black people's lives don't matter unless the police is the one ending them.

Thoughts?


Great observation!


Yeah, thru "His" eyes...

smh.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:15 AM - 8 June, 2015
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It has NOTHING to do with Black on Black crime....which is what he wants to talk about.

So why use a "Catch Phrase" that has NOTHING to do with Black on Black crime, and try to prove that the "Catch Phrase" isn't helping Black on Black crime...when all the time, the "Catch Phrase" has NOTHING to do with Black on Black crime in the first place.

Two different animals with different contributing circumstances, and paths to resolution.


And????????
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:16 AM - 8 June, 2015
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@Akiem and DJ Johnny

Do you guys think that black lives matter?


Now I see why you're asking this question...

THIS is why I don't "try" to convince non blacks of this issue...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:20 AM - 8 June, 2015
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@Akiem All lives matter equally. If people think black lives matter whether its them getting killed by a cop or in a terrorist attack or gamg warfare or whatever, why is it that '#blacklivesmatter' only applies to police brutality?


And if that is TRULY the case, we wouldn't be having this "discussion"....

smh...

The "Context" of #Blacklivesmatter in the INSTANCE that I was debating with Remix was specific, because he used the exact term, but tried to half azzedly associate it with other issues....

smh @ either you not UNDERSTANDING what this is about, or UNDERSTANDING, but wanting to play word games.....

Well, that's typical of those in this thread, so I guess it's to be expected.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:27 AM - 8 June, 2015
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so sad, JM, you are trapped in a logical corner.... so instead of just admitting how dumb black people are for putting all their energy behind cops killing black people, when blacks are the ones taking the most black lives in this country.... you'd rather argue that a general slogan of "BLACK LIVES MATTER" only pertains to cops killing black peoplethugs.

everytime you guys post, you continue to prove my point of how ignorant and blatantly dishonest the majority of black folks are..... smh


And HERE YOU GO...

You wanted to attach a SLOGAN which was pertaining to a specific facet of Black interaction with Law Enforcement and try to apply it to issues regarding Black on Black crime....Make no literal logical sense....smh.

In other words, you're taking the "Slogan" and trying to play word games.....WOW.

And this here -
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you continue to prove my point of how ignorant and blatantly dishonest the majority of black folks are


THE MAJORITY OF BLACK FOLKS ARE DISHONEST?

Forreal? lol..

Did you just say that?

That's how you feel?

LMAO.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:27 AM - 8 June, 2015
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If the majority of #blacklivesmatter activists are black

And
The majority of people killing blacks are black

Then isn't it logical to assume there is overlap with the 2 groups?


Who are you again?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:28 AM - 8 June, 2015
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Does it say they dont care about black.on black crime?


This....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:29 AM - 8 June, 2015
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If the majority of #blacklivesmatter activists are black

And

The majority of people killing blacks are black

Then isn't it logical to assume there is overlap with the 2 groups?


Sure, pull up the stats.....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:33 AM - 8 June, 2015
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black always bitch and complain about people generalizing them.... but when isolated incidents happen with cops.... they have no problem generalizing the cops.

my argument is about the hypocrisy.... not the generalizing


Are you generalizing or being specific?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:33 AM - 8 June, 2015
And is that the MAJORITY of Blacks?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:33 AM - 8 June, 2015
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@Johnny I'm not playing any word games or trolling. I feel like this is a fair debate and I am asking questions in order to better show you my side of the debate.


But you made an improper assumption by saying -
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Based on that, black peoples' lives only matter when.....


And why do you have a "side" of this "debate"?
AKIEM 3:08 AM - 8 June, 2015
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I don't see how it was improper... My side to this is that I feel like this is an issue that needs to be addressed properly


Why?

You are concerned about the accuracy of a hashtag?

Do you think black lives matter? Can you answer with a yes/no? Can you answer that without saying ALL lives matter?
AKIEM 3:10 AM - 8 June, 2015
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A black person is not a hypocrite because SOME OTHER black person is a murderer.


a black person is a hypocrite when they go after someone for doing the same thing they do themselves


LOL - correct, A black person - LOL

That time you said it exactly correct. A black person is hypocritical based on their own words or actions. Black people are not hypocrites based on the words and actions of some unassociated individual.
AKIEM 6:53 AM - 8 June, 2015
This post has me LOL, had to let it linger for a while


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A) white person shot by blacks: "blacks are violent"

B) black person shot by cops: "cops are racist"

both are generalizations based off of isolated incidents
Which is completely the wrong and a supremely ignorant way to generalize
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but the majority
numbers or ///MSU™?
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of blacks would have a huge problem with statement A
maybe because you are directly insulting them personally?
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but would not have an issue with statement B.
Plenty will have an issue with scenario B) - I do. Both A) and B) are straight ignorant. gtfo

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this is called hypocrisy.


YES, I can agree THAT is. Your scenario which is far from any reality can be called hypocrisy if its the thinking of a single person.

The reality is that in both of those situations even if being used as an example, NO ONE basses their opinions of large groups of people based on isolated single instances. NO ONE but the most backward ignorant people imaginable. Which is hilarious, because Remix (well and beezle but I don't really believe him) is the ONLY adult I have ever heard seriously claim that people should in fact base their opinion of large groups of people based on isolated single instances. LMAO who really does that other than babies and retards?

When people call the cops racist even using a single incident as evidence there is LARGE amounts of other data that go into drawing that conclusion. Same with people concluding "blacks are violent" Ive actually heard of more of that ignorant single instance conclusion drawing tho....

(not to mention the false dichotomy of Black vs Cop. At least Black vs Gay are just people, not ORGANIZATIONS which CAN BE characterized as a whole without logical fallacies in the equation)


Now what about C)???
(you forgot one)

C) White shoots Black because he is Black: "Whites are racist"

LMAO @ Only according to Remix is it proper to conclude 'Whites Are Racist' based on this single incident. According to Remix there is nothing wrong with using an isolated incident to generalize. And as soon as a White person takes offense to casting the dispersion - yeehaw Whites Are Hypocrites!!!!

Lets take Remixs incredibly flawed logic even further:

White people are racist because all types of White Hate groups are on the rise. If you are white and take extra offense at being labeled racist - you are a damn hypocrite!

White people are racist because they were so lazy to do any work they enslaved other races. If you are white and take extra offense at being labeled racist because of slavery (not an isolated event) - boom you are goddamn hypocrite!

White people are genocidal maniacs (need I even name an event?). If you are white and take extra offense at being labeled genocidal maniac (not an isolated event) - boom you are goddamn hypocrite!

The White Man is the Devil, everything point so that being the case. If you are white and take extra offense at being labeled The Devil - boom you are motherfuckin hypocrite!
(as to be expected from the damn Devil!)

lol - ridiculous - lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:22 AM - 8 June, 2015
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If the majority of #blacklivesmatter activists are black

And

The majority of people killing blacks are black

Then isn't it logical to assume there is overlap with the 2 groups?


Sure, pull up the stats.....



Im still waiting on you to pull up the stats that say more blacks are killed than whites per year
DJ Remix Detroit 10:47 AM - 8 June, 2015
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You wanted to attach a SLOGAN which was pertaining to a specific facet of Black interaction with Law Enforcement and try to apply it to issues regarding Black on Black crime....Make no literal logical sense....smh.

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wow.... coming from the #Blacklivesmatter official website: blacklivesmatter.com

"#BlackLivesMatter was created in 2012 after Trayvon Martin’s murderer, George Zimmerman, was acquitted for his crime, and dead 17-year old Trayvon was post-humously placed on trial for his own murder. Rooted in the experiences of Black people in this country who actively resist our de-humanization, #BlackLivesMatter is a call to action and a response to the virulent anti-Black racism that permeates our society.Black Lives Matter is a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of Black people by police and vigilantes."


DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:22 AM - 2 June, 2015
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The issue of "Black Lives Matter" is specifically addressing the issue of Blacks being targeted and / or killed by Cops at a disparaging rate moreso than any other race.


you are wrong sir... the movement was spear headed by the TM incident... and last time I checked GZ wasn't a cop....

and from the horses mouth it says it is a movement against racism and goes beyond blacks being killed by cops..... but i guess it doesn't go to the number one source that is responsible for taking black lives..... OTHER BLACKS

...typical
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:51 AM - 8 June, 2015
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I don't see how it was improper... My side to this is that I feel like this is an issue that needs to be addressed properly


Properly addressed by WHOM?
DJ Remix Detroit 10:51 AM - 8 June, 2015
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You wanted to attach a SLOGAN which was pertaining to a specific facet of Black interaction with Law Enforcement and try to apply it to issues regarding Black on Black crime....Make no literal logical sense....smh.



so there it is, straight from the #blacklivesmatter website...

would you like to admit you are wrong?..... or would you like to keep falling in with the majority of black people who can't admit that they are wrong, and continue to lie and make excuses and bend evidence to fit your argument?

i'll wait....
DJ Remix Detroit 11:44 AM - 8 June, 2015
3 blacks kill 2 other blacks over Million Dollar insurance policy....
Watchwww.youtube.com


#blacklivesmatter
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:44 AM - 8 June, 2015
Again, YOU were trying to attach the slogan to Black on Black crime in the context that we were talking and failed miserably.

Also, this AGAIN -
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or would you like to keep falling in with the majority of black people who can't admit that they are wrong,


LMAO ! So again THE MAJORITY OF BLACK PEOPLE???

You are lying sir.

Pull up those status which support your claim, or are you just another Klan member who is scared of their Black neighbor speeding down the street?
DJ Remix Detroit 11:46 AM - 8 June, 2015
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wow.... coming from the #Blacklivesmatter official website: blacklivesmatter.com

"#BlackLivesMatter was created in 2012 after Trayvon Martin’s murderer, George Zimmerman, was acquitted for his crime, and dead 17-year old Trayvon was post-humously placed on trial for his own murder. Rooted in the experiences of Black people in this country who actively resist our de-humanization, #BlackLivesMatter is a call to action and a response to the virulent anti-Black racism that permeates our society.Black Lives Matter is a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of Black people by police and vigilantes."


DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:22 AM - 2 June, 2015
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The issue of "Black Lives Matter" is specifically addressing the issue of Blacks being targeted and / or killed by Cops at a disparaging rate moreso than any other race.


you are wrong sir... the movement was spear headed by the TM incident... and last time I checked GZ wasn't a cop....

and from the horses mouth it says it is a movement against racism and goes beyond blacks being killed by cops..... but i guess it doesn't go to the number one source that is responsible for taking black lives..... OTHER BLACKS

...typical
DJ Remix Detroit 11:47 AM - 8 June, 2015
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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:22 AM - 2 June, 2015
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The issue of "Black Lives Matter" is [b]specifically addressing[/b the issue of Blacks being targeted and / or killed by Cops at a disparaging rate moreso than any other race.


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"#BlackLivesMatter was created in 2012 after Trayvon Martin’s murderer, George Zimmerman, was acquitted for his crime, and dead 17-year old Trayvon was post-humously placed on trial for his own murder. Rooted in the experiences of Black people in this country who actively resist our de-humanization, #BlackLivesMatter is a call to action and a response to the virulent anti-Black racism that permeates our society.Black Lives Matter is a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of Black people by police and vigilantes."



checkmate
DJ Remix Detroit 11:49 AM - 8 June, 2015
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or are you just another Klan member who is scared of their Black neighbor speeding down the street?


looks like i pushed that button...lol


assets.diylol.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:50 AM - 8 June, 2015
As a matter of fact, let me break you down piece by piece, so you understand -
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Black Lives Matter is a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of Black people by police and vigilantes."


So when it says "It Goes Beyond", what else is that inclusive of...and let's be specific...

Or are you AGAIN throwing around slogans, and can't support your stance?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:51 AM - 8 June, 2015
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or are you just another Klan member who is scared of their Black neighbor speeding down the street?


looks like i pushed that button...lol

assets.diylol.com


Not at all, I'm just trying to get answers Sway.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:52 AM - 8 June, 2015
So you can throw shots by saying -
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or would you like to keep falling in with the majority of black people who can't admit that they are wrong,


Isn't that a shot? Which deserves a shot back?

Or do you want to debate this like civilians and stick to the facts?

Your choice, you know how I do....
DJ Remix Detroit 11:53 AM - 8 June, 2015
once you can admit that #blacklivesmatter isn't "specifically addressing" blacks being targeting by cops.... and that it covers an entire spectrum of issues... then we can continue to discuss.

i even pulled the mission statement from the #blacklivesmatter website itself showing that you are wrong.

so we will see if you can admit that you were dead wrong.


Can JM be honest?..... stay tuned and find out!!!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:55 AM - 8 June, 2015
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and that it covers an entire spectrum of issues... then we can continue to discuss.


As soon as you can admit that we were talking about "Black Lives Matter" as it specifically does NOT have to do anything with "Black On Black" crime as a standalone factor.

You can't play these word games with me man...LMAO.

You know this.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:56 AM - 8 June, 2015
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Can JM be honest?..... stay tuned and find out!!!


Another shot? Oh and we have to INSIST on Originality, IF you're trying to be humorous....

smh @ "Stay Tuned"...

Grow your own funk man...
DJ Remix Detroit 11:57 AM - 8 June, 2015
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and can't support your stance?

Quote:
"#BlackLivesMatter was created in 2012 after Trayvon Martin’s murderer, George Zimmerman, was acquitted for his crime, and dead 17-year old Trayvon was post-humously placed on trial for his own murder. Rooted in the experiences of Black people in this country who actively resist our de-humanization, #BlackLivesMatter is a call to action and a response to the virulent anti-Black racism that permeates our society.Black Lives Matter is a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of Black people by police and vigilantes."


stance supported by the organization itself.


started because of a "WHITE-HISPANIC" NON COP killing a black person...fact

organization started as a response to deal with racism..... not deal with cops killing blacks.... fact


#blacklivesmatter movement deals specifically with cops killing blacks.....false
DJ Remix Detroit 11:59 AM - 8 June, 2015
so again JM.... is the #BLM movement specifically dealing with cops killing blacks?
DJ Remix Detroit 11:59 AM - 8 June, 2015
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Isn't that a shot?


only to the weak minded
DJ Remix Detroit 12:00 PM - 8 June, 2015
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so again JM.... is the #BLM movement specifically dealing with cops killing blacks?


Please answer JM.... i'm waiting
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:02 PM - 8 June, 2015
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organization started as a response to deal with racism..
]

Oh, and not Black on Black crime?

THANKS!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:04 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Isn't that a shot?


only to the weak minded


Oh, so that's why you responded like this huh?

LMAO!



So you admit you're weak minded? Is that what you're saying?
DJ Remix Detroit 12:05 PM - 8 June, 2015
Stay on point....

Quote:
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so again JM.... is the #BLM movement specifically dealing with cops killing blacks?


Please answer JM.... i'm waiting
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:06 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Stay on point....


Absolutely!

You tried to attach A SLOGAN to a completely separate issue of Black on Black crime...

Were you not?

THAT'S where it starts....

Then we can continue.
DJ Remix Detroit 12:09 PM - 8 June, 2015
Black Mother Leaves Black Kids In Car To Attend Lil Wayne Concert

Watchwww.youtube.com


#blacklivesmatter
DJ Remix Detroit 12:10 PM - 8 June, 2015
again....

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Stay on point....

Quote:
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so again JM.... is the #BLM movement specifically dealing with cops killing blacks?


Please answer JM.... i'm waiting
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:12 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Quote:
Stay on point....


Absolutely!

You tried to attach A SLOGAN to a completely separate issue of Black on Black crime...

Were you not?

THAT'S where it starts....

Then we can continue.


Can we get an answer?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:12 PM - 8 June, 2015
Simple yes or no bruh....

What's the worst that can happen? :-)
DJ Remix Detroit 12:16 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Simple yes or no bruh....

What's the worst that can happen? :-)



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so again JM.... is the #BLM movement specifically dealing with cops killing blacks?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:18 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Simple yes or no bruh....

What's the worst that can happen? :-)


One last time..... :-)
DJ Remix Detroit 12:23 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Simple yes or no bruh....

What's the worst that can happen? :-)

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so again JM.... is the #BLM movement specifically dealing with cops killing blacks?



pressuring me to answer a question when you won't even answer the question that was thrown at you first....typical


put your big boy pants on and answer the question JM...
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is the #BLM movement specifically dealing with cops killing blacks?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:25 PM - 8 June, 2015
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pressuring me to answer a question when you won't even answer the question that was thrown at you first


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Simple yes or no bruh....

What's the worst that can happen? :-)


And...
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....typical


Is that another shot?

Can we stick to the subject matter?
DJ Remix Detroit 12:28 PM - 8 June, 2015
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put your big boy pants on and answer the question JM...
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is the #BLM movement specifically dealing with cops killing blacks?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:29 PM - 8 June, 2015
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put your big boy pants on


Another shot?

See, this ALWAYS happens with you...

Backed into a corner, with a SIMPLE question to answer..

Then here come the shots....

smh....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:30 PM - 8 June, 2015
BRUH, what's the WORST that can happen?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:35 PM - 8 June, 2015
Bruh?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:41 PM - 8 June, 2015
Brah?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:49 PM - 8 June, 2015
Fam?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:25 PM - 8 June, 2015
*****sigh****
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:58 PM - 8 June, 2015
Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...

You might be working, so I'll give you ample time to type Y-E-S, or N-O.

Thanks for playing....
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:00 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...

You might be working, so I'll give you ample time to type Y-E-S, or N-O.

Thanks for playing....



still waitin on those stats johnnyboy
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:12 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...

You might be working, so I'll give you ample time to type Y-E-S, or N-O.

Thanks for playing....


still waitin on those stats johnnyboy


YES! And I am awaiting YOU to verify the STATS from that "Site" that you formed this entire argument over....

LMAO!

See what happens when we go back to the BEGINNING with either YOU or Remix to get to the CRUX of the arguments?

Dead air...

What y'all like to do is something like this...

You'll say what equals 8? Is it 7+0 or 8-1, when NEITHER of the answers is correct....

Then when called on the fact that the question is FAULTY FROM THE DOOR, y'all act like a brotha is talkin' Chinese or sumphin....

lol... @ "Tactics"....
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:20 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Quote:
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Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt...

You might be working, so I'll give you ample time to type Y-E-S, or N-O.

Thanks for playing....


still waitin on those stats johnnyboy


YES! And I am awaiting YOU to verify the STATS from that "Site" that you formed this entire argument over....

LMAO!

See what happens when we go back to the BEGINNING with either YOU or Remix to get to the CRUX of the arguments?

Dead air...

What y'all like to do is something like this...

You'll say what equals 8? Is it 7+0 or 8-1, when NEITHER of the answers is correct....

Then when called on the fact that the question is FAULTY FROM THE DOOR, y'all act like a brotha is talkin' Chinese or sumphin....

lol... @ "Tactics"....



Sooooooo, that means youve got nothingx correct? Just MSU....again?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:28 PM - 8 June, 2015
No again -
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YES! And I am awaiting YOU to verify the STATS from that "Site" that you formed this entire argument over....


Please provide the requested info, and we can move forward....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:29 PM - 8 June, 2015
Unless of course....

There's nothing that YOU can do....for US...
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:37 PM - 8 June, 2015
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No again -
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YES! And I am awaiting YOU to verify the STATS from that "Site" that you formed this entire argument over....


Please provide the requested info, and we can move forward....

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You seem to have the scenario twisted. This entire conversation is an attempt to validate YOUR initial claim that more black people are killed by police each year than whites. Even if I conceeded that the numbers on that site were wrong (could be, who knows) that STILL does not validate your original statement. I do not brear the burdon of proof as I am not the one who made the original claim, thats on you. Besides that I requested stats from you BEFORE you asked me to prove mine, so not only do you bear the burdon of proving your bullshit statment but its also simply your turn to answer in simple conversation/debate etiquette.


So....where are the numbers buddy
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:43 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Even if I conceeded that the numbers on that site were wrong (could be, who knows) that STILL does not validate your original statement.


So are you conceding?
AKIEM 2:52 PM - 8 June, 2015
The Zimmerman situation regardless of it being a "White-Hispanic" shooting a Black youth - was squarely created by law enforcement's assigning a low value to Martins life. Too low to arrest Zimmerman. Had the 'races' been reversed Zimmerblack would have been arrested and charged (if not shot) that evening.

Again, the Zimmerman case is about the low to zero value it assigns to the lives of Black people especially by law enforcement and related agencies.

#blacklivesmatter
AKIEM 2:58 PM - 8 June, 2015
Back Off Topic


AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?


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I agree. And that certainly goes for your right to marry a man being limited while claiming certain people should not have a vote in the matter.


No, I am not saying certain people should not have a vote. I am saying NOONE should be able to vote on what someone does in their personal life that has NOTHING to do with them


1] you are at it again stream1.gifsoup.com

2] I agree.

3] We are not discussing any law which prohibits anyones private behavior.

4] A legal marriage is in fact public record

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www.pewresearch.org

42% of Blacks favor gay marriage
53% of Whites favor gay marriage

61% of Blacks favor services for gay weddings
45% of White favor services for gay weddings

So a majority of Whites are actually fine with gays being discriminated against.

55% of White people believe it is ok for gays to be refused service - shocking!

White people are hypocrites! lol!


Im begining to think you simply do not understand what a hypocrite is.
so again, the semantics you said you weren't arguing -smh
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Most whites have never current, nor historically, been refused service simply for their genetic makeup. As a matter of fact they have a history of actively committing that practice. Therefor while still sickening, it is not hypocritical, in fact it is typical.
Typical 'hypocrisy' and more excellent evidence of White Privilege

So now genetic make up can be a determining factor in hypocrisy? hilarious

might as well do it since YOU are actually stuck on semantics
dictionary.reference.com

1. the practice of professing standards, beliefs, etc, contrary to one's real character or actual behaviour, esp the pretence of virtue and piety

It is about behavior, not genetic make up - lol. It means to profess one thing yet act another privately. If someone is a hypocrite for saying marriage is/should be between a man and a woman then privately they would be entering into some other type arrangement.

If you want to use an "expanded" definition to mean 'advocating something for one's self yet denying it to others'. Thats fine with me, people often misapply the word that way - ok

But believing marriage is/should be opposite sexes is NOT necessarily denying equal rights. Marriage is not the ONLY path to those same rights. And believing marriage is/should be opposite sexes is NOT telling people they can't merry, it just means they are doing it wrong.


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Correct. And apparently allowing gays to marry does not actually resolve that issue: www.huffingtonpost.com
Senate Rejects Extending Veterans Benefits To Married Gay Couples And Their Kids

hmmmmm..... how is that possible? The magic word is supposed to grant rights to everyone.


Your, as usual, the only one arguing about magic words. The cause of supporting gay marriage INCLUDES them getting all the right and protections awarded to traditional couples. Its not just to allow people a ceremony. (Cue Akiem arguing semantics)
The only one making a semantic argument is you. I am discussing the national controversy over what the LEGAL definition should be.

And yes, often support of gay marriage includes the equal rights element. And what I am saying is that equal rights are not granted by same sex marriage.

It is possible to advocate for fully equal gay rights AND define marriage as between opposite sexes.

Same as calling Christmas a 'Christian Religious holiday' and at the same time advocating that EVERYONE gets the same vacation days. Calling it a 'Christian Religious holiday' does not necessarily mean you think Muslim, Jews and Atheists should not have the day off.


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If I were arguing semantics, I would simply consult a dictionary to prove you wrong.

But this is an argument about what the LEGAL definition of "marriage" should be. We already know the traditional religious meaning is (usually)

No, thats not what the argument is at all.
lol - okay, whats it about? lol

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Now THAT is the most hypocritical shit I have ever read here. So religious people, 85% of the population should not be voting on this matter.
Not hypocritical at all (once again you clearly do not understand what a hypocrite is). People should not be able to vote to take away a minority groups rights or dictate what other people do in their personal lives. In the same what that whites, 63% of the population, should not be able to vote to reenslave or take rights away from blacks.


Dude, if this argument was about Slavery. You would be advocating redefining African people as "Whites" as a solution instead of abolishing Slavery. It might work, but you will still have people who will not agree that Africans are "White" and advocate for abolishing slavery. The state should not recognize slavery, same as it should not recognize marriage - it should simply confer all people with the same equal rights and let them call themselves whatever they choose and do whatever type ceremonies they choose.

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The entire tangent revolves around why people voted against gay marriage. And if you consulted google you would find article after article explaining that the reason is religious.

www.washingtonpost.com www.pewresearch.org www.npr.org


Which makes it even more laughable to that people are aloud to push their religious beliefs onto non believers in order to prevent their rights.


Which is even more laughable because believing marriage is/should be opposite sex is not forcing anyone else to agree or do the same. It is an agreement to disagree about what it is. And its not preventing anyone from equal rights because it is not the ONLY path to the same rights. The government should offer everyone the same legal rights - the mechanism exists its called Civil Union. Civil Rights not quasi religious ceremonial rights.

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Marriage is traditionally a religious ceremony and commonly a religious ceremony. If you want to get into numbers www.patheos.com

So again marriage is a religious ceremony (no qualifiers needed). And even when not performed in a church God or other magic is often invoked - yes even down at the court house.


Your talking circles here. First you say it COMMONLY a religious ceremony then you say it IS a religious ceremony, with no qualifiers needed. It is COMMONLY a religious ceremony because, as you pointed out, the greater number of the population is religious. Just because something is common does not make that trait all encompassing. For example black people are COMMONLY found in prison, that does not make being black a crime.


Your last sentence is off the chart nonsense in relation to the discussion.

Commonly religious, mostly religious, traditionally religious, semi-religious, copy of religious, popularly religious, kinda religious - I do not care what YOU want to call it (semantics) The fact remains that there is at least a connection between marriage and religion down to the fact that even when atheists marry there is some sort of quasi-religious ceremony taking place. Even if they try to scrub away any religious elements they are still performing some sort of ritual or ceremony.

You can keep harping on the semantics but the fact remains - there is nothing hypocritical about a person giving a religious answer to a (perceived as) religious question.

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So we arnt talking about the views of "hypocritical" people who think 'marriage is only one man, one woman'? Get your story straight then


Nope, again, as Ive repeatedly stated, we are talking about how it it "hypocritical" for someone to fight for and demand rights as a human being then turn around and prevent others for having thsoe same rights.


And again, gay marriage is not the ONLY way for those equal rights to be granted. So defining marriage as opposite sex is not blocking anyone from those rights.

Denying everyone the same civil union rights is how rights are being denied.


So I will ask AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?






AND AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:00 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Even if I conceeded that the numbers on that site were wrong (could be, who knows) that STILL does not validate your original statement.


So are you conceding?



It dosent matter if I am or not because neither of those choices validate YOUR statement
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:01 PM - 8 June, 2015
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The Zimmerman situation regardless of it being a "White-Hispanic" shooting a Black youth - was squarely created by law enforcement's assigning a low value to Martins life. Too low to arrest Zimmerman. Had the 'races' been reversed Zimmerblack would have been arrested and charged (if not shot) that evening.

Again, the Zimmerman case is about the low to zero value it assigns to the lives of Black people especially by law enforcement and related agencies.

#blacklivesmatter



Thats your opinion. I simply do not agree.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:06 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Back Off Topic


AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?


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I agree. And that certainly goes for your right to marry a man being limited while claiming certain people should not have a vote in the matter.


No, I am not saying certain people should not have a vote. I am saying NOONE should be able to vote on what someone does in their personal life that has NOTHING to do with them


1] you are at it again stream1.gifsoup.com

2] I agree.

3] We are not discussing any law which prohibits anyones private behavior.

4] A legal marriage is in fact public record

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www.pewresearch.org

42% of Blacks favor gay marriage
53% of Whites favor gay marriage

61% of Blacks favor services for gay weddings
45% of White favor services for gay weddings

So a majority of Whites are actually fine with gays being discriminated against.

55% of White people believe it is ok for gays to be refused service - shocking!

White people are hypocrites! lol!


Im begining to think you simply do not understand what a hypocrite is.
so again, the semantics you said you weren't arguing -smh
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Most whites have never current, nor historically, been refused service simply for their genetic makeup. As a matter of fact they have a history of actively committing that practice. Therefor while still sickening, it is not hypocritical, in fact it is typical.
Typical 'hypocrisy' and more excellent evidence of White Privilege

So now genetic make up can be a determining factor in hypocrisy? hilarious

might as well do it since YOU are actually stuck on semantics
dictionary.reference.com

1. the practice of professing standards, beliefs, etc, contrary to one's real character or actual behaviour, esp the pretence of virtue and piety

It is about behavior, not genetic make up - lol. It means to profess one thing yet act another privately. If someone is a hypocrite for saying marriage is/should be between a man and a woman then privately they would be entering into some other type arrangement.

If you want to use an "expanded" definition to mean 'advocating something for one's self yet denying it to others'. Thats fine with me, people often misapply the word that way - ok

But believing marriage is/should be opposite sexes is NOT necessarily denying equal rights. Marriage is not the ONLY path to those same rights. And believing marriage is/should be opposite sexes is NOT telling people they can't merry, it just means they are doing it wrong.


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Correct. And apparently allowing gays to marry does not actually resolve that issue: www.huffingtonpost.com
Senate Rejects Extending Veterans Benefits To Married Gay Couples And Their Kids

hmmmmm..... how is that possible? The magic word is supposed to grant rights to everyone.


Your, as usual, the only one arguing about magic words. The cause of supporting gay marriage INCLUDES them getting all the right and protections awarded to traditional couples. Its not just to allow people a ceremony. (Cue Akiem arguing semantics)
The only one making a semantic argument is you. I am discussing the national controversy over what the LEGAL definition should be.

And yes, often support of gay marriage includes the equal rights element. And what I am saying is that equal rights are not granted by same sex marriage.

It is possible to advocate for fully equal gay rights AND define marriage as between opposite sexes.

Same as calling Christmas a 'Christian Religious holiday' and at the same time advocating that EVERYONE gets the same vacation days. Calling it a 'Christian Religious holiday' does not necessarily mean you think Muslim, Jews and Atheists should not have the day off.


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If I were arguing semantics, I would simply consult a dictionary to prove you wrong.

But this is an argument about what the LEGAL definition of "marriage" should be. We already know the traditional religious meaning is (usually)

No, thats not what the argument is at all.
lol - okay, whats it about? lol

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Now THAT is the most hypocritical shit I have ever read here. So religious people, 85% of the population should not be voting on this matter.
Not hypocritical at all (once again you clearly do not understand what a hypocrite is). People should not be able to vote to take away a minority groups rights or dictate what other people do in their personal lives. In the same what that whites, 63% of the population, should not be able to vote to reenslave or take rights away from blacks.


Dude, if this argument was about Slavery. You would be advocating redefining African people as "Whites" as a solution instead of abolishing Slavery. It might work, but you will still have people who will not agree that Africans are "White" and advocate for abolishing slavery. The state should not recognize slavery, same as it should not recognize marriage - it should simply confer all people with the same equal rights and let them call themselves whatever they choose and do whatever type ceremonies they choose.

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The entire tangent revolves around why people voted against gay marriage. And if you consulted google you would find article after article explaining that the reason is religious.

www.washingtonpost.com www.pewresearch.org www.npr.org


Which makes it even more laughable to that people are aloud to push their religious beliefs onto non believers in order to prevent their rights.


Which is even more laughable because believing marriage is/should be opposite sex is not forcing anyone else to agree or do the same. It is an agreement to disagree about what it is. And its not preventing anyone from equal rights because it is not the ONLY path to the same rights. The government should offer everyone the same legal rights - the mechanism exists its called Civil Union. Civil Rights not quasi religious ceremonial rights.

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Marriage is traditionally a religious ceremony and commonly a religious ceremony. If you want to get into numbers www.patheos.com

So again marriage is a religious ceremony (no qualifiers needed). And even when not performed in a church God or other magic is often invoked - yes even down at the court house.


Your talking circles here. First you say it COMMONLY a religious ceremony then you say it IS a religious ceremony, with no qualifiers needed. It is COMMONLY a religious ceremony because, as you pointed out, the greater number of the population is religious. Just because something is common does not make that trait all encompassing. For example black people are COMMONLY found in prison, that does not make being black a crime.


Your last sentence is off the chart nonsense in relation to the discussion.

Commonly religious, mostly religious, traditionally religious, semi-religious, copy of religious, popularly religious, kinda religious - I do not care what YOU want to call it (semantics) The fact remains that there is at least a connection between marriage and religion down to the fact that even when atheists marry there is some sort of quasi-religious ceremony taking place. Even if they try to scrub away any religious elements they are still performing some sort of ritual or ceremony.

You can keep harping on the semantics but the fact remains - there is nothing hypocritical about a person giving a religious answer to a (perceived as) religious question.

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So we arnt talking about the views of "hypocritical" people who think 'marriage is only one man, one woman'? Get your story straight then


Nope, again, as Ive repeatedly stated, we are talking about how it it "hypocritical" for someone to fight for and demand rights as a human being then turn around and prevent others for having thsoe same rights.


And again, gay marriage is not the ONLY way for those equal rights to be granted. So defining marriage as opposite sex is not blocking anyone from those rights.

Denying everyone the same civil union rights is how rights are being denied.


So I will ask AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?






AND AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?



To long, didn't read
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:06 PM - 8 June, 2015
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It dosent matter if I am or not because neither of those choices validate YOUR statement


And HOW can you help the cause again?
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:16 PM - 8 June, 2015
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It dosent matter if I am or not because neither of those choices validate YOUR statement


And HOW can you help the cause again?



What does you simply validating your statement have to do with me helping any cause? This thread is about the "black lives matter" slogan, a slogan that YOU say exists because blacks are killed by police more than whites. I simply would like to know if thats completely fucking made up or not A) for my own knowledge B) because the credibility of everything you said in this thread hinges on that statement being correct.....seems like an important thing to clear up, dontchathink
AKIEM 3:36 PM - 8 June, 2015
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The Zimmerman situation regardless of it being a "White-Hispanic" shooting a Black youth - was squarely created by law enforcement's assigning a low value to Martins life. Too low to arrest Zimmerman. Had the 'races' been reversed Zimmerblack would have been arrested and charged (if not shot) that evening.

Again, the Zimmerman case is about the low to zero value it assigns to the lives of Black people especially by law enforcement and related agencies.

#blacklivesmatter



Thats your opinion. I simply do not agree.


So?

And plenty people share my opinion.
AKIEM 3:38 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Back Off Topic


AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?


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I agree. And that certainly goes for your right to marry a man being limited while claiming certain people should not have a vote in the matter.


No, I am not saying certain people should not have a vote. I am saying NOONE should be able to vote on what someone does in their personal life that has NOTHING to do with them


1] you are at it again stream1.gifsoup.com

2] I agree.

3] We are not discussing any law which prohibits anyones private behavior.

4] A legal marriage is in fact public record

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www.pewresearch.org

42% of Blacks favor gay marriage
53% of Whites favor gay marriage

61% of Blacks favor services for gay weddings
45% of White favor services for gay weddings

So a majority of Whites are actually fine with gays being discriminated against.

55% of White people believe it is ok for gays to be refused service - shocking!

White people are hypocrites! lol!


Im begining to think you simply do not understand what a hypocrite is.
so again, the semantics you said you weren't arguing -smh
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Most whites have never current, nor historically, been refused service simply for their genetic makeup. As a matter of fact they have a history of actively committing that practice. Therefor while still sickening, it is not hypocritical, in fact it is typical.
Typical 'hypocrisy' and more excellent evidence of White Privilege

So now genetic make up can be a determining factor in hypocrisy? hilarious

might as well do it since YOU are actually stuck on semantics
dictionary.reference.com

1. the practice of professing standards, beliefs, etc, contrary to one's real character or actual behaviour, esp the pretence of virtue and piety

It is about behavior, not genetic make up - lol. It means to profess one thing yet act another privately. If someone is a hypocrite for saying marriage is/should be between a man and a woman then privately they would be entering into some other type arrangement.

If you want to use an "expanded" definition to mean 'advocating something for one's self yet denying it to others'. Thats fine with me, people often misapply the word that way - ok

But believing marriage is/should be opposite sexes is NOT necessarily denying equal rights. Marriage is not the ONLY path to those same rights. And believing marriage is/should be opposite sexes is NOT telling people they can't merry, it just means they are doing it wrong.


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Correct. And apparently allowing gays to marry does not actually resolve that issue: www.huffingtonpost.com
Senate Rejects Extending Veterans Benefits To Married Gay Couples And Their Kids

hmmmmm..... how is that possible? The magic word is supposed to grant rights to everyone.


Your, as usual, the only one arguing about magic words. The cause of supporting gay marriage INCLUDES them getting all the right and protections awarded to traditional couples. Its not just to allow people a ceremony. (Cue Akiem arguing semantics)
The only one making a semantic argument is you. I am discussing the national controversy over what the LEGAL definition should be.

And yes, often support of gay marriage includes the equal rights element. And what I am saying is that equal rights are not granted by same sex marriage.

It is possible to advocate for fully equal gay rights AND define marriage as between opposite sexes.

Same as calling Christmas a 'Christian Religious holiday' and at the same time advocating that EVERYONE gets the same vacation days. Calling it a 'Christian Religious holiday' does not necessarily mean you think Muslim, Jews and Atheists should not have the day off.


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If I were arguing semantics, I would simply consult a dictionary to prove you wrong.

But this is an argument about what the LEGAL definition of "marriage" should be. We already know the traditional religious meaning is (usually)

No, thats not what the argument is at all.
lol - okay, whats it about? lol

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Now THAT is the most hypocritical shit I have ever read here. So religious people, 85% of the population should not be voting on this matter.
Not hypocritical at all (once again you clearly do not understand what a hypocrite is). People should not be able to vote to take away a minority groups rights or dictate what other people do in their personal lives. In the same what that whites, 63% of the population, should not be able to vote to reenslave or take rights away from blacks.


Dude, if this argument was about Slavery. You would be advocating redefining African people as "Whites" as a solution instead of abolishing Slavery. It might work, but you will still have people who will not agree that Africans are "White" and advocate for abolishing slavery. The state should not recognize slavery, same as it should not recognize marriage - it should simply confer all people with the same equal rights and let them call themselves whatever they choose and do whatever type ceremonies they choose.

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The entire tangent revolves around why people voted against gay marriage. And if you consulted google you would find article after article explaining that the reason is religious.

www.washingtonpost.com www.pewresearch.org www.npr.org


Which makes it even more laughable to that people are aloud to push their religious beliefs onto non believers in order to prevent their rights.


Which is even more laughable because believing marriage is/should be opposite sex is not forcing anyone else to agree or do the same. It is an agreement to disagree about what it is. And its not preventing anyone from equal rights because it is not the ONLY path to the same rights. The government should offer everyone the same legal rights - the mechanism exists its called Civil Union. Civil Rights not quasi religious ceremonial rights.

Quote:
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Marriage is traditionally a religious ceremony and commonly a religious ceremony. If you want to get into numbers www.patheos.com

So again marriage is a religious ceremony (no qualifiers needed). And even when not performed in a church God or other magic is often invoked - yes even down at the court house.


Your talking circles here. First you say it COMMONLY a religious ceremony then you say it IS a religious ceremony, with no qualifiers needed. It is COMMONLY a religious ceremony because, as you pointed out, the greater number of the population is religious. Just because something is common does not make that trait all encompassing. For example black people are COMMONLY found in prison, that does not make being black a crime.


Your last sentence is off the chart nonsense in relation to the discussion.

Commonly religious, mostly religious, traditionally religious, semi-religious, copy of religious, popularly religious, kinda religious - I do not care what YOU want to call it (semantics) The fact remains that there is at least a connection between marriage and religion down to the fact that even when atheists marry there is some sort of quasi-religious ceremony taking place. Even if they try to scrub away any religious elements they are still performing some sort of ritual or ceremony.

You can keep harping on the semantics but the fact remains - there is nothing hypocritical about a person giving a religious answer to a (perceived as) religious question.

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So we arnt talking about the views of "hypocritical" people who think 'marriage is only one man, one woman'? Get your story straight then


Nope, again, as Ive repeatedly stated, we are talking about how it it "hypocritical" for someone to fight for and demand rights as a human being then turn around and prevent others for having thsoe same rights.


And again, gay marriage is not the ONLY way for those equal rights to be granted. So defining marriage as opposite sex is not blocking anyone from those rights.

Denying everyone the same civil union rights is how rights are being denied.


So I will ask AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?






AND AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?



To long, didn't read



Then you completely fail at showing Black people are hypocrites for voting conservatively on gay marriage.

RIF
AKIEM 3:39 PM - 8 June, 2015
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It dosent matter if I am or not because neither of those choices validate YOUR statement


And HOW can you help the cause again?



What does you simply validating your statement have to do with me helping any cause? This thread is about the "black lives matter" slogan, a slogan that YOU say exists because blacks are killed by police more than whites. I simply would like to know if thats completely fucking made up or not A) for my own knowledge B) because the credibility of everything you said in this thread hinges on that statement being correct.....seems like an important thing to clear up, dontchathink


I think its called google, but whatever
AKIEM 4:25 PM - 8 June, 2015
South Carolina police officer who shot Walter Scott indicted for murder
www.washingtonpost.com
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:40 PM - 8 June, 2015
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It dosent matter if I am or not because neither of those choices validate YOUR statement


And HOW can you help the cause again?



What does you simply validating your statement have to do with me helping any cause? This thread is about the "black lives matter" slogan, a slogan that YOU say exists because blacks are killed by police more than whites. I simply would like to know if thats completely fucking made up or not A) for my own knowledge B) because the credibility of everything you said in this thread hinges on that statement being correct.....seems like an important thing to clear up, dontchathink


I think its called google, but whatever



I've googled it and found no supporting information. If you can find a site that shows that more black people are shot by cops than white people, by all means do so.
AKIEM 4:42 PM - 8 June, 2015
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It dosent matter if I am or not because neither of those choices validate YOUR statement


And HOW can you help the cause again?



What does you simply validating your statement have to do with me helping any cause? This thread is about the "black lives matter" slogan, a slogan that YOU say exists because blacks are killed by police more than whites. I simply would like to know if thats completely fucking made up or not A) for my own knowledge B) because the credibility of everything you said in this thread hinges on that statement being correct.....seems like an important thing to clear up, dontchathink


I think its called google, but whatever



I've googled it and found no supporting information. If you can find a site that shows that more black people are shot by cops than white people, by all means do so.


sum total or per capita?
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:44 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Back Off Topic


AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?


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I agree. And that certainly goes for your right to marry a man being limited while claiming certain people should not have a vote in the matter.


No, I am not saying certain people should not have a vote. I am saying NOONE should be able to vote on what someone does in their personal life that has NOTHING to do with them


1] you are at it again stream1.gifsoup.com

2] I agree.

3] We are not discussing any law which prohibits anyones private behavior.

4] A legal marriage is in fact public record

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www.pewresearch.org

42% of Blacks favor gay marriage
53% of Whites favor gay marriage

61% of Blacks favor services for gay weddings
45% of White favor services for gay weddings

So a majority of Whites are actually fine with gays being discriminated against.

55% of White people believe it is ok for gays to be refused service - shocking!

White people are hypocrites! lol!


Im begining to think you simply do not understand what a hypocrite is.
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Most whites have never current, nor historically, been refused service simply for their genetic makeup. As a matter of fact they have a history of actively committing that practice. Therefor while still sickening, it is not hypocritical, in fact it is typical.
Typical 'hypocrisy' and more excellent evidence of White Privilege

So now genetic make up can be a determining factor in hypocrisy? hilarious

might as well do it since YOU are actually stuck on semantics
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1. the practice of professing standards, beliefs, etc, contrary to one's real character or actual behaviour, esp the pretence of virtue and piety

It is about behavior, not genetic make up - lol. It means to profess one thing yet act another privately. If someone is a hypocrite for saying marriage is/should be between a man and a woman then privately they would be entering into some other type arrangement.

If you want to use an "expanded" definition to mean 'advocating something for one's self yet denying it to others'. Thats fine with me, people often misapply the word that way - ok

But believing marriage is/should be opposite sexes is NOT necessarily denying equal rights. Marriage is not the ONLY path to those same rights. And believing marriage is/should be opposite sexes is NOT telling people they can't merry, it just means they are doing it wrong.


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Correct. And apparently allowing gays to marry does not actually resolve that issue: www.huffingtonpost.com
Senate Rejects Extending Veterans Benefits To Married Gay Couples And Their Kids

hmmmmm..... how is that possible? The magic word is supposed to grant rights to everyone.


Your, as usual, the only one arguing about magic words. The cause of supporting gay marriage INCLUDES them getting all the right and protections awarded to traditional couples. Its not just to allow people a ceremony. (Cue Akiem arguing semantics)
The only one making a semantic argument is you. I am discussing the national controversy over what the LEGAL definition should be.

And yes, often support of gay marriage includes the equal rights element. And what I am saying is that equal rights are not granted by same sex marriage.

It is possible to advocate for fully equal gay rights AND define marriage as between opposite sexes.

Same as calling Christmas a 'Christian Religious holiday' and at the same time advocating that EVERYONE gets the same vacation days. Calling it a 'Christian Religious holiday' does not necessarily mean you think Muslim, Jews and Atheists should not have the day off.


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If I were arguing semantics, I would simply consult a dictionary to prove you wrong.

But this is an argument about what the LEGAL definition of "marriage" should be. We already know the traditional religious meaning is (usually)

No, thats not what the argument is at all.
lol - okay, whats it about? lol

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Now THAT is the most hypocritical shit I have ever read here. So religious people, 85% of the population should not be voting on this matter.
Not hypocritical at all (once again you clearly do not understand what a hypocrite is). People should not be able to vote to take away a minority groups rights or dictate what other people do in their personal lives. In the same what that whites, 63% of the population, should not be able to vote to reenslave or take rights away from blacks.


Dude, if this argument was about Slavery. You would be advocating redefining African people as "Whites" as a solution instead of abolishing Slavery. It might work, but you will still have people who will not agree that Africans are "White" and advocate for abolishing slavery. The state should not recognize slavery, same as it should not recognize marriage - it should simply confer all people with the same equal rights and let them call themselves whatever they choose and do whatever type ceremonies they choose.

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The entire tangent revolves around why people voted against gay marriage. And if you consulted google you would find article after article explaining that the reason is religious.

www.washingtonpost.com www.pewresearch.org www.npr.org


Which makes it even more laughable to that people are aloud to push their religious beliefs onto non believers in order to prevent their rights.


Which is even more laughable because believing marriage is/should be opposite sex is not forcing anyone else to agree or do the same. It is an agreement to disagree about what it is. And its not preventing anyone from equal rights because it is not the ONLY path to the same rights. The government should offer everyone the same legal rights - the mechanism exists its called Civil Union. Civil Rights not quasi religious ceremonial rights.

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Marriage is traditionally a religious ceremony and commonly a religious ceremony. If you want to get into numbers www.patheos.com

So again marriage is a religious ceremony (no qualifiers needed). And even when not performed in a church God or other magic is often invoked - yes even down at the court house.


Your talking circles here. First you say it COMMONLY a religious ceremony then you say it IS a religious ceremony, with no qualifiers needed. It is COMMONLY a religious ceremony because, as you pointed out, the greater number of the population is religious. Just because something is common does not make that trait all encompassing. For example black people are COMMONLY found in prison, that does not make being black a crime.


Your last sentence is off the chart nonsense in relation to the discussion.

Commonly religious, mostly religious, traditionally religious, semi-religious, copy of religious, popularly religious, kinda religious - I do not care what YOU want to call it (semantics) The fact remains that there is at least a connection between marriage and religion down to the fact that even when atheists marry there is some sort of quasi-religious ceremony taking place. Even if they try to scrub away any religious elements they are still performing some sort of ritual or ceremony.

You can keep harping on the semantics but the fact remains - there is nothing hypocritical about a person giving a religious answer to a (perceived as) religious question.

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So we arnt talking about the views of "hypocritical" people who think 'marriage is only one man, one woman'? Get your story straight then


Nope, again, as Ive repeatedly stated, we are talking about how it it "hypocritical" for someone to fight for and demand rights as a human being then turn around and prevent others for having thsoe same rights.


And again, gay marriage is not the ONLY way for those equal rights to be granted. So defining marriage as opposite sex is not blocking anyone from those rights.

Denying everyone the same civil union rights is how rights are being denied.


So I will ask AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?






AND AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?



To long, didn't read



Then you completely fail at showing Black people are hypocrites for voting conservatively on gay marriage.

RIF



I do not see how you writing small novels disproves that actively voting to remove someones legal rights while fighting for your own is not hypocritical but as long as I dont have to read 15 minutez worth of your nonsense I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree. Meanwhile gays are still being denied basic rights and denied opportunities
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It dosent matter if I am or not because neither of those choices validate YOUR statement


And HOW can you help the cause again?



What does you simply validating your statement have to do with me helping any cause? This thread is about the "black lives matter" slogan, a slogan that YOU say exists because blacks are killed by police more than whites. I simply would like to know if thats completely fucking made up or not A) for my own knowledge B) because the credibility of everything you said in this thread hinges on that statement being correct.....seems like an important thing to clear up, dontchathink


I think its called google, but whatever



I've googled it and found no supporting information. If you can find a site that shows that more black people are shot by cops than white people, by all means do so.


sum total or per capita?



Lets go sum total
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I do not see how you writing small novels disproves that actively voting to remove someones legal rights while fighting for your own is not hypocritical
RIF, I did not say it did. Again, you failed horribly.
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Simple tactics, started with avoiding simple questions
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...by the government, even if married. Which could easily be solved with full civil union rights for everyone.

Thanks for helping me find those statistics tho. Blacks are much less in favor of denying gays rights - White people are the actual hypocrites!
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It dosent matter if I am or not because neither of those choices validate YOUR statement


And HOW can you help the cause again?



What does you simply validating your statement have to do with me helping any cause? This thread is about the "black lives matter" slogan, a slogan that YOU say exists because blacks are killed by police more than whites. I simply would like to know if thats completely fucking made up or not A) for my own knowledge B) because the credibility of everything you said in this thread hinges on that statement being correct.....seems like an important thing to clear up, dontchathink


I think its called google, but whatever



I've googled it and found no supporting information. If you can find a site that shows that more black people are shot by cops than white people, by all means do so.


sum total or per capita?



Lets go sum total


Well of course we would expect more white criminals to be shot by cops - whites are still the majority.

Choosing 'sum' is dishonest. The question is can we find numbers which will show a bias? For that you should have chosen 'per capita' - typical
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Agreed, sooooo now what since that too is still illegal



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Thanks for helping me find those statistics tho. Blacks are much less in favor of denying gays rights - White people are the actual hypocrites!


sigh, you still dont understand what a hypocrite is...thats sad
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It dosent matter if I am or not because neither of those choices validate YOUR statement


And HOW can you help the cause again?



What does you simply validating your statement have to do with me helping any cause? This thread is about the "black lives matter" slogan, a slogan that YOU say exists because blacks are killed by police more than whites. I simply would like to know if thats completely fucking made up or not A) for my own knowledge B) because the credibility of everything you said in this thread hinges on that statement being correct.....seems like an important thing to clear up, dontchathink


I think its called google, but whatever



I've googled it and found no supporting information. If you can find a site that shows that more black people are shot by cops than white people, by all means do so.


sum total or per capita?



Lets go sum total


Well of course we would expect more white criminals to be shot by cops - whites are still the majority.

Choosing 'sum' is dishonest. The question is can we find numbers which will show a bias? For that you should have chosen 'per capita' - typical



Sure, to bad johnnys original statement was NOT a per capita statement
AKIEM 5:31 PM - 8 June, 2015
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I have not avoided any questions

Several asked again and again without response. Whatever you want to call that. I call it avoiding...

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Agreed, sooooo now what since that too is still illegal
what do you mean 'now what?'

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sigh, you still dont understand what a hypocrite is...thats sad


Semantics again?

A. I was applying your logic

B. White people have fought plenty for their own rights. What, you think only Black people have fought for their rights? LOL - cmon dude...
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It dosent matter if I am or not because neither of those choices validate YOUR statement


And HOW can you help the cause again?



What does you simply validating your statement have to do with me helping any cause? This thread is about the "black lives matter" slogan, a slogan that YOU say exists because blacks are killed by police more than whites. I simply would like to know if thats completely fucking made up or not A) for my own knowledge B) because the credibility of everything you said in this thread hinges on that statement being correct.....seems like an important thing to clear up, dontchathink


I think its called google, but whatever



I've googled it and found no supporting information. If you can find a site that shows that more black people are shot by cops than white people, by all means do so.


sum total or per capita?



Lets go sum total


Well of course we would expect more white criminals to be shot by cops - whites are still the majority.

Choosing 'sum' is dishonest. The question is can we find numbers which will show a bias? For that you should have chosen 'per capita' - typical



Sure, to bad johnnys original statement was NOT a per capita statement


What was his statement?
AKIEM 5:39 PM - 8 June, 2015
Matter of fact, this entire county (the US) was established by White people fighting for their own rights. Unfortunately ONLY their own rigts, leaving slavery in tact and etc. White People are obviously the biggest damn hypocrites ever for that one
AKIEM 6:23 PM - 8 June, 2015
I'm still laughing because white people were shocked that some black people do not support gay marriage and its supposed to be hypocritical(you dont understand the word) meanwhile THEY (white people) are the biggest damn hypocrites ever denying all types of people all types of rights to all types of people. Now thats some hypocrisy, how dare white people even sound a peep about anyone else supposedly denying someone their rights? Straight, nakked, bold faced, all caps HYPOCRISY!

LMAO
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:08 PM - 8 June, 2015
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what do you mean 'now what?'


'Now what' meaning your proposed solutuon is a situation that exists in the same nonexistent hypothetical mind space as gay marriage. So If this is proposed do all the people who voted down others rights to get married turn out and vote for equal rights?


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Semantics again?

A. I was applying your logic



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Matter of fact, this entire county (the US) was established by White people fighting for their own rights. Unfortunately ONLY their own rigts, leaving slavery in tact and etc. White People are obviously the biggest damn hypocrites ever for that one



Interesting argument. Lets examine it. What rights did the britsh have that the american settlers did not have that were being fought for.





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'm still laughing because white people were shocked that some black people do not support gay marriage and its supposed to be hypocritical(you dont understand the word) meanwhile THEY (white people) are the biggest damn hypocrites ever denying all types of people all types of rights to all types of people. Now thats some hypocrisy, how dare white people even sound a peep about anyone else supposedly denying someone their rights? Straight, nakked, bold faced, all caps HYPOCRISY!



As stated before, to continue doing something that you have been historically known to do is not hypocritical, its just stupid
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:44 PM - 8 June, 2015
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What does you simply validating your statement have to do with me helping any cause?


Because, UNLESS you're able to DO something to help the cause, all you're doing is just clickety clacking....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:46 PM - 8 June, 2015
Ok, I'm gonna break my own rule here.

Beezle, do you believe racism still exists towards black people?
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:44 PM - 8 June, 2015
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Ok, I'm gonna break my own rule here.

Beezle, do you believe racism still exists towards black people?

I think racism still exists toward all people
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Ok, I'm gonna break my own rule here.

Beezle, do you believe racism still exists towards black people?

I think racism still exists toward all people


I didn't ask you that all inclusive question.

Let's do this step by step.

Do you believe racism still exists for black people?
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Ok, I'm gonna break my own rule here.

Beezle, do you believe racism still exists towards black people?

I think racism still exists toward all people


I didn't ask you that all inclusive question.

Let's do this step by step.

Do you believe racism still exists for black people?


Of course you didn't ask for the additional Information. Why would you ask for it when it would defeat your tactic of isolating a piece of an answer out of context to support your opinion without taking in the full spectrum of what my actual thoughts are. You want a particular answer so you limit my choices to the point where the answer you want to hear is the only one avaliable and that answer isnt my actual opinion, its just the closest one you'll allow as to not derail your next post. The topic is this idiotic "black lives matter" slogan. My opinion is that "black" lives are not the only lives that matter, ALL lives matter, regardless of race, rendering the "black lives matter" slogan lacking as it ignores the problems of other races victimized by racism or the police. Therefore your leading yes/no question that you are attempting to bait me with, thus isolating the fractional peace of my opinion to suit your own needs by ignoring the reality and complexity of my full answer is indicative of the greater problem of any and all race issues, in the end its not about understanding the issues, or having empathy for others situation, its about defeating the other side. It is a common problem to everyone but the team mentality divides the groups and makes resolution impossible because everyone feels there needs to be a winner and a loser.

Now, I'll play your game: Yes Johnny, I believe racism still exists for black people. Now you can go ahead and respond with your planned course of A) pretending the rest of my a does not exist, treating it as if I said racism for blacks exists in a vacuum and using that slither of info to justify that the slogan matters B) deflecting it by either pointing out that I answered in a longer than 1 word answer voiding the game or defaulting to the very racist and devicisive tactic of saying that because I'm white I wont understand/cant help/don't matter.

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AKIEM 11:55 PM - 8 June, 2015
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AND AGAIN: Whats wrong with the gov certifying Civil Unions with all necessary rights and obligations to everyone? Whats wrong with the gov leaving any ceremonies (religious or otherwise) to the individual private citizen to perform however they choose?

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'Now what' meaning your proposed solutuon is a situation that exists in the same nonexistent hypothetical mind space as gay marriage. So If this is proposed do all the people who voted down others rights to get married turn out and vote for equal rights?


What vote are you talking about?

Congress should pass a law expanding Civil Unions, they should be equal in measure to for everyone. And include all needed rights and responsibilities - 14th Amendment.

Supreme Court should find gov has no place certifying weddings - 1st Amendment.

If there was a state proposition most likely Black people would vote to allow equal civil union rights. Its the white people who would vote against it.


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A. I was applying your logic



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Matter of fact, this entire county (the US) was established by White people fighting for their own rights. Unfortunately ONLY their own rigts, leaving slavery in tact and etc. White People are obviously the biggest damn hypocrites ever for that one



Interesting argument. Lets examine it. What rights did the britsh have that the american settlers did not have that were being fought for.
A huge number of rights.

The hash tag at the time was #NoTaxationWithoutRepresentation

Defeating the Imperial Aristocratic Monarchy and replacing it with a Liberal(classic) Democratic(limited) Republic conferred a huge number of rights and freedoms on the individual citizen (of the right persuasion)

But the chief right was Self Governance which all other rights emanate from.

Black people joined the colonial forces at an even higher rate the whites. Maintaining Slavery after the revolution - more proof whites are the most hypocritical ever

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As stated before, to continue doing something that you have been historically known to do is not hypocritical, its just stupid
Dude where the hell are you getting your definitions of words? The White Peoples Dictionary of Making Shit Up???

There is no timing, or order of events involved in something being defined as "hypocritical" Go use a real dictionary this ///MSU™Dictionary is completely ridiculous
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Great! So what can BLACK people do to combat racism?
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Congress should pass a law expanding Civil Unions, they should be equal in measure to for everyone. And include all needed rights and responsibilities - 14th Amendment.

Supreme Court should find gov has no place certifying weddings - 1st Amendment.




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So how do you explain the 70% of blacks who voted to ban gay marriage in California
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None of those were human rights that were afforded to some and not others. FAIL, try again.
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LMAO - YOU are the one making it a comparison when it simply is not.

If I say "apples taste good" you are going to claim I don't like any other types of fruit, especially oranges? There are no apples on the menu - #applestastegood.

'Yeehaaa, thats racist against oranges man!'


your logic is FAIL
Dj-M.Bezzle 12:11 AM - 9 June, 2015
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Great! So what can BLACK people do to combat racism?


Define "BLACK people". Are we talking about the group as a whole, individuals, people who have actually been a victim of racism, people who havent. What are the constraints of this question
DJ Remix Detroit 12:49 AM - 9 June, 2015
Alright JM, I've given you a few hours to let your hormones stabilize....

you wanna try answering the question now?

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AND AGAIN I WILL ANSWER THIS: Nothing wrong with this at all as long as everyone is entitled to equal rights and benefits.


So then believing marriage is between a man and woman is NOT the same as denying anyones rights. People can believe what they want about marriage and still grant everyone the same rights.

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Supreme Court should find gov has no place certifying weddings - 1st Amendment.
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So how do you explain the 70% of blacks who voted to ban gay marriage in California
www.cnn.com


The way the media is covering it is misleading. Is it an actual "ban on gay marriage"? No it certainly is not. If it was an actual BAN the cops would be rushing in every time you guys ordered a cake with two dudes.

Proposition 8
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"California Marriage Protection Act"
"Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California"


It is not a BAN on gay marriage - just that the state would not recognize it.




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None of those were human rights that were afforded to some and not others. FAIL, try again.


Who said anything about human rights this whole argument?

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LMAO @ the level of straight out the assness


who's human rights are being violated?


let me guess - white people!!!
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Great! So what can BLACK people do to combat racism?


Define "BLACK people". Are we talking about the group as a whole, individuals, people who have actually been a victim of racism, people who havent. What are the constraints of this question


Hey, let's go for broke...

Blacks as a whole, individuals, both people who have been victims of racism, and those who haven't...

Let's cover all bases.....
RogerRabbit 4:57 AM - 9 June, 2015
Last week interview from Louis Farrakhan:

part 1 : youtu.be
part 2: youtu.be

^^ View only if you are Afro-centric.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:40 PM - 9 June, 2015
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AKIEM 4:18 PM - 9 June, 2015
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He's getting old.
RogerRabbit 4:27 PM - 9 June, 2015
We are all get old.

He speaks the truth, I understand why the media is always against him. He can start a revolution.
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He speaks the truth, I understand why the media is always against him. He can start a revolution.


I dont agree.... but no need to get into all that....

I did laugh when he brought up the music industry private prison connection. My guess is he was trying to remember if he thought it was real or not and just rolled with it. Otherwise, lots of what he says is true - and he lives quite very comfortable........................
RogerRabbit 4:40 PM - 9 June, 2015
Don't agree with what?
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I dont agree he could start a revolution / maybe a good try.... what hasn't he already?

The bigger question is why WOULD he?
RogerRabbit 4:52 PM - 9 June, 2015
I mean if he was like 20 years younger, his message would resonate today - with all these recordings of police misconduct.

Like he said, he is an old man - so he most likely has no interest to start a revolution.
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Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...
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I would agree with that as well....
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Like he said, he is an old man - so he most likely has no interest to start a revolution.


Exactly.

And thats the problem with organizations built around personalities.
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Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...


Because. THIS forum, is not the place or the people.
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Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...


Because. THIS forum, is not the place or the people.


Dude, I've been saying that since DAY ONE, but y'all keep talking about it....so why is this any different?
AKIEM 5:09 PM - 9 June, 2015
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I dont agree.... but no need to get into all that....


Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...


Because. THIS forum, is not the place or the people.


Dude, I've been saying that since DAY ONE, but y'all keep talking about it....so why is this any different?


Everyone draws their own lines.
AKIEM 5:11 PM - 9 June, 2015
If y'all want to cross those lines, thats fine - but I doubt anyone here knows what Im actually talking about to cross those lines.

But I will discuss whatever is brought up
RogerRabbit 5:24 PM - 9 June, 2015
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Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...

Do you really think anything he says is "radical"?

Or is that word "radical" subconsciously implanted by all the media stories.

I think he is passionate about black culture but not radical.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:33 PM - 9 June, 2015
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Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...

Do you really think anything he says is "radical"?

Or is that word "radical" subconsciously implanted by all the media stories.

I think he is passionate about black culture but not radical.

Good one, by radical, I mean ain't impossible faced with today's climate amongst our own! Would I love for us to be able to support our own Black owned businesses? Absolutely! But what it would take to get to that point is nothing short of radical.
AKIEM 5:34 PM - 9 June, 2015
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Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...

Do you really think anything he says is "radical"?

Or is that word "radical" subconsciously implanted by all the media stories.

I think he is passionate about black culture but not radical.


(keeping to his words in the video - lol) I only watched part1

"radical" in the american context - yes. In the Black context - no.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:39 PM - 9 June, 2015
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If y'all want to cross those lines, thats fine - but I doubt anyone here knows what Im actually talking about to cross those lines.

But I will discuss whatever is brought up

I'm sayin tho, you have no problem entertaining those who could care less about "our issues", when you already know where the conversation is going to end up. Basically, "I didn't do this to your people", "Get over it racism ended in 1978", or "We're all discriminated against in some way".

What line have you drawn?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:41 PM - 9 June, 2015
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"radical" in the american context - yes. In the Black context - no.
Joee 5:41 PM - 9 June, 2015
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Alright JM, I've given you a few hours to let your hormones stabilize....

you wanna try answering the question now?

hahahahaa


you need to give few day, maybe even weeks
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:43 PM - 9 June, 2015
Look it you Joee*, still trying to prove your legitimacy? Lmao, they STILL laughing at you.

Skirt=Pulled
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:51 PM - 9 June, 2015
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Good one, by radical, I mean almost impossible faced with today's climate amongst our own!

Would I love for us to be able to support our own Black owned businesses?

Absolutely!

But what it would take to get to that point is nothing short of radical.


Fixed...
AKIEM 5:51 PM - 9 June, 2015
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If y'all want to cross those lines, thats fine - but I doubt anyone here knows what Im actually talking about to cross those lines.

But I will discuss whatever is brought up

I'm sayin tho, you have no problem entertaining those who could care less about "our issues", when you already know where the conversation is going to end up. Basically, "I didn't do this to your people", "Get over it racism ended in 1978", or "We're all discriminated against in some way".

What line have you drawn?


Yet, Im actually entertaining myself. And its insightful to hear these other points of views...

Honestly, I don't think the forum should have ever gone down this road - but since it did - Im here.

Im drawing the line at things I personally know about or understand or could comment on in a certain way. Since apparently there is no one here to ask the right specific questions, it doesn't matter.
Joee 5:53 PM - 9 June, 2015
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Look it you Joee*, still trying to prove your legitimacy? Lmao, they STILL laughing at you.

Skirt=Pulled

thats your opinion sir & you are certainly entailed to it

but the first part of DJ Remix Detroit aforementioned quote rings very true I've witnessed it first hand

he may need to give you some more time

just saying
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:02 PM - 9 June, 2015
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Look it you Joee*, still trying to prove your legitimacy? Lmao, they STILL laughing at you.

Skirt=Pulled

thats your opinion sir & you are certainly entailed to it

but the first part of DJ Remix Detroit aforementioned quote rings very true I've witnessed it first hand

he may need to give you some more time

just saying


They are STILL laughing at you ...

Granpa...

lmaooo.....

Yeah, you better take ALL them gigs bruh.....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:04 PM - 9 June, 2015
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Yet, Im actually entertaining myself.
Seems like a lot of wasted energy, but hey...

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And its insightful to hear these other points of views...


Some of this, I can rock with, but I'm not trying to "convince" anybody of anything that can't really "help".

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Honestly, I don't think the forum should have ever gone down this road - but since it did - Im here.


Eh, we're grown, what's the worst that can happen? :-)

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Im drawing the line at things I personally know about or understand or could comment on in a certain way. Since apparently there is no one here to ask the right specific questions, it doesn't matter.


I don't know what all that is about so ...
AKIEM 8:07 PM - 9 June, 2015
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Yet, Im actually entertaining myself.
Seems like a lot of wasted energy, but hey...


You should have seen how much energy I wasted on video games, sports and other shit.

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And its insightful to hear these other points of views...


Some of this, I can rock with, but I'm not trying to "convince" anybody of anything that can't really "help".


Im not trying to convince anyone either (I don't even believe these dudes believe what they are actually saying)

Its debate - mrs stick to their guns at ALL COST.


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Honestly, I don't think the forum should have ever gone down this road - but since it did - Im here.


Eh, we're grown, what's the worst that can happen? :-)


lol - well one dude got mega ass damaged, couldn't take what he dished and switched to a chix - some of us are grown men, some... guess not...

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Im drawing the line at things I personally know about or understand or could comment on in a certain way. Since apparently there is no one here to ask the right specific questions, it doesn't matter.


I don't know what all that is about so ...


yup.




Tell you what tho. Farrakhan is getting old. Im not criticizing him, in particular but his style of organization built on single individuals - it puts his organization in danger from when he passes. And there is a reason why those types of organizations are allowed to flourish - Black Wall Street - no
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:14 PM - 9 June, 2015
I agree with not having a single point of inspiration. That makes PERFECT sense as a bullet will always have an impact.

The idea of acquiring land is the best idea thus far....real wealth...
AKIEM 8:20 PM - 9 June, 2015
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I agree with not having a single point of inspiration. That makes PERFECT sense as a bullet will always have an impact.

The idea of acquiring land is the best idea thus far....real wealth...


Correct. Why you think we are all packed into the city.... urban, man listen...
DJ Remix Detroit 8:22 PM - 9 June, 2015
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I dont agree.... but no need to get into all that....


Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...


And my question is, how do u build from within.... When "within" is the main one destroying you?

Smoke on that one.
AKIEM 8:25 PM - 9 June, 2015
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I dont agree.... but no need to get into all that....


Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...


And my question is, how do u build from within.... When "within" is the main one destroying you?

Smoke on that one.


And how do you build from without when without has been even worse?

Smoke on THAT crack.
DJ Remix Detroit 8:29 PM - 9 June, 2015
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I dont agree.... but no need to get into all that....


Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...


And my question is, how do u build from within.... When "within" is the main one destroying you?

Smoke on that one.


And how do you build from without when without has been even worse?

Smoke on THAT crack.


It doesnt take much to build. Ppl just need to be willing to work. And quit making excuses and blaming others. Until blacks get to that point, then they will still be killing their iwn amd begging whites for equality.

Thats y i say desegregation is prolly one of the worst things that happened to blacks.
Instead of becoming strong on their own , now they expect whites to give them everything.
DJ Remix Detroit 8:30 PM - 9 June, 2015
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I dont agree.... but no need to get into all that....


Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...


And my question is, how do u build from within.... When "within" is the main one destroying you?

Smoke on that one.


And how do you build from without when without has been even worse?

Smoke on THAT crack.


Typical for the black dude to bring up "crack". Smh
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:38 PM - 9 June, 2015
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I dont agree.... but no need to get into all that....


Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...


And my question is, how do u build from within.... When "within" is the main one destroying you?

Smoke on that one.


And how do you build from without when without has been even worse?

Smoke on THAT crack.

Notice you used past tense there...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:48 PM - 9 June, 2015
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I dont agree.... but no need to get into all that....


Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...


And my question is, how do u build from within.... When "within" is the main one destroying you?

Smoke on that one.


Firstly, you have to believe that you CAN build from within, meaning our OWN communities and resources.

If you don't think it would ultimately be a worthy investment, then you're not going to invest the energy needed to make a change.

Now, I'm not saying go out and don't use common sense, but take a good look at what needs to be done and go from there.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:51 PM - 9 June, 2015
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It doesnt take much to build. Ppl just need to be willing to work.


All the rest of that is a VIEWPOINT.

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Thats y i say desegregation is prolly one of the worst things that happened to blacks.
Instead of becoming strong on their own , now they expect whites to give them everything.


I don't agree.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 8:51 PM - 9 June, 2015
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Typical for the black dude to bring up "crack". Smh


We wanna go for shots or do we wanna discuss?
AKIEM 9:14 PM - 9 June, 2015
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I dont agree.... but no need to get into all that....


Why not?

A LOT of what he says makes sense....

Some stuff seems radical, but the truth is AGAIN, we have to build from within...


And my question is, how do u build from within.... When "within" is the main one destroying you?

Smoke on that one.


And how do you build from without when without has been even worse?

Smoke on THAT crack.


It doesnt take much to build. Ppl just need to be willing to work. And quit making excuses and blaming others. Until blacks get to that point, then they will still be killing their iwn amd begging whites for equality.

Thats y i say desegregation is prolly one of the worst things that happened to blacks.
Instead of becoming strong on their own , now they expect whites to give them everything.



I always thought individual responsibility was building from within. But you are saying there is some sort of building from "without"? From within can't work?

Desegregation certainly has been terrible for Black people - but mostly due to racism. But guess what - Black people will NEVER be allowed to build a self sufficient economy. Every time it was done, it was destroyed. And especially don't be trying to sit on your own farm land talking about Black Economics.... Urban for a reason, not by chance.
DJ Remix Detroit 12:29 AM - 10 June, 2015
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We wanna go for shots or do we wanna discuss?


quit being such a liberal..... we can do both....


you still gonna answer my question though?



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is the #BLM movement specifically dealing with cops killing blacks?
DJ Remix Detroit 12:31 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Firstly, you have to believe


well, while you negroes are "believing"... I'm shoving my sleeves up and making shit happen.
DJ Remix Detroit 12:32 AM - 10 June, 2015
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but take a good look at what needs to be done


people taking responsibility for their actions
DJ Remix Detroit 12:34 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Black people will NEVER be allowed to build a self sufficient economy. Every time it was done, it was destroyed.


yeah, destroyed by other blacks

detroit
chicago
gary, indiana
philly
compton
and the list goes on & on & on
DJ Remix Detroit 12:35 AM - 10 June, 2015
Black Radio Show Host Life Threatened By Blacks Because He Said The Texas Cops Arent Racist!
Watchwww.youtube.com


#blacklivesmatter
Joee 12:49 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Black people will NEVER be allowed to build a self sufficient economy. Every time it was done, it was destroyed.


yeah, destroyed by other blacks


philly


i don't know about that……i live in philly born & raised
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:25 AM - 10 June, 2015
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quit being such a liberal..... we can do both....


That's funny....

I think I'm VERY conservative....

Intrusting....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:26 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Firstly, you have to believe


well, while you negroes are "believing"... I'm shoving my sleeves up and making shit happen.


I call bullsh*t.

You can't even stand to be in the same neighborhood as some blacks...

Why would YOU help them?
AKIEM 4:49 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Firstly, you have to believe


well, while you negroes are "believing"... I'm shoving my sleeves up and making shit happen.


I call bullsh*t.

You can't even stand to be in the same neighborhood as some blacks...

Why would YOU help them?


neighborhood? This dude can't stand next to 3.... LOL
(maybe with finger on the trigger)
AKIEM 4:53 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Black people will NEVER be allowed to build a self sufficient economy. Every time it was done, it was destroyed.


yeah, destroyed by other blacks

detroit
chicago
gary, indiana
philly
compton
and the list goes on & on & on


Yes, those entire cities are examples of Black owned self sufficient economies [/thick sarcasm]
RogerRabbit 5:18 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Yet, Im actually entertaining myself. And its insightful to hear these other points of views...

Honestly, I don't think the forum should have ever gone down this road - but since it did - Im here.

Im drawing the line at things I personally know about or understand or could comment on in a certain way. Since apparently there is no one here to ask the right specific questions, it doesn't matter.

Make a new thread on whatever you are trying to convey.
RogerRabbit 5:21 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Black people will NEVER be allowed to build a self sufficient economy. Every time it was done, it was destroyed.


yeah, destroyed by other blacks

detroit
chicago
gary, indiana
philly
compton
and the list goes on & on & on

Why does it seem like you are full of self hatred?

Not talking about this post specifically, but the comments in the majority of your posts.
AKIEM 5:29 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Black people will NEVER be allowed to build a self sufficient economy. Every time it was done, it was destroyed.


yeah, destroyed by other blacks

detroit
chicago
gary, indiana
philly
compton
and the list goes on & on & on

Why does it seem like you are full of self hatred?

Not talking about this post specifically, but the comments in the majority of your posts.


When he looks in the mirror he is all the way up to 2.
AKIEM 5:31 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Yet, Im actually entertaining myself. And its insightful to hear these other points of views...

Honestly, I don't think the forum should have ever gone down this road - but since it did - Im here.

Im drawing the line at things I personally know about or understand or could comment on in a certain way. Since apparently there is no one here to ask the right specific questions, it doesn't matter.

Make a new thread on whatever you are trying to convey.


why? cats ask questions, I answer them.
RogerRabbit 5:33 AM - 10 June, 2015
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why? cats ask questions, I answer them.

Why the mystery?
AKIEM 5:34 AM - 10 June, 2015
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why? cats ask questions, I answer them.

Why the mystery?


aint no mystery.
DJ Remix Detroit 10:46 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Firstly, you have to believe


well, while you negroes are "believing"... I'm shoving my sleeves up and making shit happen.


I call bullsh*t.

You can't even stand to be in the same neighborhood as some blacks...

Why would YOU help them?


I'm talking as far as owning my own business and working for myself... so far it has worked out fine.... no white people have tried to stop me from being successful
DJ Remix Detroit 10:47 AM - 10 June, 2015
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Why does it seem like you are full of self hatred?


i dont hate myself.
DJ Remix Detroit 11:07 AM - 10 June, 2015
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You can't even stand to be in the same neighborhood as some blacks...


and if whites were breaking into my car, pulling guns out on me, stealing shit out of my yard..stealing the rims off my car.. guess what?

i wouldn't live around them either.

and so far, out of all the white neighborhoods i've lived in, this has never happened. but the black neighborhoods.... it has happened everytime. so from my own personal experiences my "own people" have victimized me more than the so-called "racist white folks" that black folks talk about so much.


hell, the neighborhood i live in now is predominately white, we just had a younger black family move in a couple years ago. (same family that i had the speeding incident with)


since they moved in, their grass gets super long, they've had company come in here speeding through the subdivision, raggedy ass cars with oil stains in the driveways...bushes don't get trimmed.... they're pitbull would constantly get loose and roam in other peoples yard (including mine) and shit on other peoples property. etc.


with all these white folks living here, this has never happened... and the other 2 or 3 black families that are here besides myself are also very cool and take care of their property and don't do ratchet ass shit.


and it's not surprising that the first family to not conform to the order of our subdivision happens to be black.
Joee 11:26 AM - 10 June, 2015
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:39 PM - 10 June, 2015
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neighborhood? This dude can't stand next to 3.... LOL
(maybe with finger on the trigger)


Nah, don't got there, let's see if we can hash this out on some real *ish....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:40 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Yes, those entire cities are examples of Black owned self sufficient economies [/thick sarcasm]


Remix uses these areas like they are the Mecca for Black folk...

That is NOT the case bruh...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:41 PM - 10 June, 2015
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I'm talking as far as owning my own business and working for myself... so far it has worked out fine.... no white people have tried to stop me from being successful


Ok, so what do YOU propose should happen to help out the Black community?
DJ Remix Detroit 12:43 PM - 10 June, 2015
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I'm talking as far as owning my own business and working for myself... so far it has worked out fine.... no white people have tried to stop me from being successful


Ok, so what do YOU propose should happen to help out the Black community?


first, blacks stop killing each other.... if black live truly matter. then black shouldn't be the number one killers of other blacks.

can you agree to this?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:49 PM - 10 June, 2015
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You can't even stand to be in the same neighborhood as some blacks...


and if whites were breaking into my car, pulling guns out on me, stealing shit out of my yard..stealing the rims off my car.. guess what?

i wouldn't live around them either.

and so far, out of all the white neighborhoods i've lived in, this has never happened. but the black neighborhoods.... it has happened everytime. so from my own personal experiences my "own people" have victimized me more than the so-called "racist white folks" that black folks talk about so much.

hell, the neighborhood i live in now is predominately white, we just had a younger black family move in a couple years ago. (same family that i had the speeding incident with)

since they moved in, their grass gets super long, they've had company come in here speeding through the subdivision, raggedy ass cars with oil stains in the driveways...bushes don't get trimmed.... they're pitbull would constantly get loose and roam in other peoples yard (including mine) and shit on other peoples property. etc.

with all these white folks living here, this has never happened... and the other 2 or 3 black families that are here besides myself are also very cool and take care of their property and don't do ratchet ass shit.

and it's not surprising that the first family to not conform to the order of our subdivision happens to be black.


Ok, lemmie ask you this.

Do you KNOW those neighbors?

It might sound CORNY, but maybe they got out the hood and don't know no better....

Is it possible that somebody is working long hours and can't cut the grass as regularly as you do?

How about this...

Is there someone of color that you can REFER them to, or have that person offer their lawn services (for a fee of course), maybe even a neighborhood kid who wants to make some money, go over there and drum up some business?

Some of what you're talking about are purely external eye sores that can easily be remedied...

You know how when you want to "Influence' someone, if you have the ability, you "suggest" things or make meetings "accidently" happen?

Not saying it would WORK, but is that too far fetched?

If it works, now THREE people are happy, YOU - because now you see your neighbors with trimmed bushes and grass, The KID - because they have some extra money coming in, and the NEIGHBOR - as now they are fostering a relationship with you and or the person doing the lawn and it improves the look of the property.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 12:52 PM - 10 June, 2015
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first, blacks stop killing each other.... if black live truly matter. then black shouldn't be the number one killers of other blacks.

can you agree to this?


Can I AGREE to this? I'd say no...that's not our FIRST priority in MY opinion....but I'd say that would be somewhere on the list....
DJ Remix Detroit 12:53 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Is it possible that somebody is working long hours and can't cut the grass as regularly as you do?


dude i work minimum 10/hrs a day... and i manage to keep my grass looking pristine. and if i happen to be extremely busy my wife will get out there and cut it for me.... and there are at least 4 adults living in that house... excuses man excuses.

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It might sound CORNY, but maybe they got out the hood and don't know no better....


very corny.... when i moved into the subs from detroit, common sense said that i can't do things out here, that i can do in the city... again, you are making excuses.


instead of excusing bad behavior.... hold it accountable.... this is the number one problem... people like you continue to excuse and justify silly behavior
DJ Remix Detroit 12:53 PM - 10 June, 2015
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first, blacks stop killing each other.... if black live truly matter. then black shouldn't be the number one killers of other blacks.

can you agree to this?


Can I AGREE to this? I'd say no...that's not our FIRST priority in MY opinion....but I'd say that would be somewhere on the list....


what do you think is priority #1?
DJ Remix Detroit 12:56 PM - 10 June, 2015
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You know how when you want to "Influence' someone, if you have the ability, you "suggest" things or make meetings "accidently" happen?


this is what i did when they were speeding through the neighborhood... i politely walked over there and introduced myself and asked them to stop speeding.

it stopped for a while, but then they started doing it again.... so i tried the polite route... and as usual, you can't be polite with negroes because they take kindness for weakness. so i had to take it a step further.
DJ Remix Detroit 12:58 PM - 10 June, 2015
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If it works, now THREE people are happy, YOU - because now you see your neighbors with trimmed bushes and grass, The KID - because they have some extra money coming in, and the NEIGHBOR - as now they are fostering a relationship with you and or the person doing the lawn and it improves the look of the property.



again, why can't they do like everyone else does? if the majority of the sub has common sense to do the right thing and keep the nieghborhood looking pristine, why can't we hold them to the same standards? why do we have to "excuse" their behavior and we have to come up with plans for stuff they should be doing on their own?
DJ Remix Detroit 1:00 PM - 10 June, 2015
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first, blacks stop killing each other.... if black live truly matter. then black shouldn't be the number one killers of other blacks.

can you agree to this?


Can I AGREE to this? I'd say no...that's not our FIRST priority in MY opinion....but I'd say that would be somewhere on the list....



ok, then do you agree that if black folks are gonna cry injustice and expect black lives matter to others, that they should stop being the number one killers of blacks?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:03 PM - 10 June, 2015
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dude i work minimum 10/hrs a day... and i manage to keep my grass looking pristine. and if i happen to be extremely busy my wife will get out there and cut it for me.... and there are at least 4 adults living in that house... excuses man excuses.


This is you comparing YOUR work ethic to others. You can't do that, or you'll fail every time.

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very corny.... when i moved into the subs from detroit, common sense said that i can't do things out here, that i can do in the city... again, you are making excuses.

That is not always the case, and you KNOW that. You may have been brought up to APPRECIATE certain things in life, that others were not.

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instead of excusing bad behavior.... hold it accountable.... this is the number one problem... people like you continue to excuse and justify silly behavior


Nobody is "EXCUSING" what you perceive as "Bad Behavior", but at the SAME TIME, you're not offering ANY solutions to an issue that YOU can at least try to resolve since it is an eyesore to YOU.

Oh, and stick with the topic bruh, that 'People Like You" reference is mad old...and tired...

Let's see if we can have a debate without throwing shots....again.
DJ Remix Detroit 1:06 PM - 10 June, 2015
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you're not offering ANY solutions


the solution is to cut your grass, keep your dog on a leash, follow the speed limit....

damn JM, your acting like I'm asking these ppl to build a space shuttle or something...smh


quit making excuses for shitty behavior man...
DJ Remix Detroit 1:08 PM - 10 June, 2015
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first off, that wasn't a shot... people like = people who make excuses and enable other people's bad behavior.


people like me = take responsibility, get up and do the right thing all the time.


so that wasn't a shot.... quit being so sensitive.
DJ Remix Detroit 1:12 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Let's see if we can have a debate without throwing shots....again.


secondly, you know my style.... i like to keep it entertaining... so if you don't like my style, then you are free to leave my thread sir.


thirdly... if you are so against "throwing shots" then you shouldn't be a hypocrite and throw them around yourself.


me personally, am not bothered by it, and i can take what i dish out.... and if there is somehting i don't like, i will either leave, or make sure I'm not doing it myself.
Joee 1:18 PM - 10 June, 2015
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secondly, you know my style.... i like to keep it entertaining... so if you don't like my style, then you are free to leave my thread sir.


thirdly... if you are so against "throwing shots" then you shouldn't be a hypocrite and throw them around yourself.


me personally, am not bothered by it, and i can take what i dish out.... and if there is somehting i don't like, i will either leave, or make sure I'm not doing it myself.

Stop making sense……lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 1:22 PM - 10 June, 2015
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what do you think is priority #1?


Fixing the internals of the Black family. Structure, Father's in place, respecting ourselves, our women, each other.
Joee 1:23 PM - 10 June, 2015
ok now you are both making sense…….lets keep it in this direction
DJ Remix Detroit 1:23 PM - 10 June, 2015
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what do you think is priority #1?


Fixing the internals of the Black family. Structure, Father's in place, respecting ourselves, our women, each other.


ok, i can agree with that, because then everything else falls into place.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:51 PM - 10 June, 2015
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what do you think is priority #1?


Fixing the internals of the Black family. Structure, Father's in place, respecting ourselves, our women, each other.

Doesn't "stop killing each other" fall nicely into the respect others category?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:52 PM - 10 June, 2015
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what do you think is priority #1?


Fixing the internals of the Black family. Structure, Father's in place, respecting ourselves, our women, each other.


ok, i can agree with that, because then everything else falls into place.


Right, then all the EFFECTS of that start to change the other pieces that need to be addressed.....

For example, the whole thing of respecting ourselves NATURALLY resolves the issue of Black on Black crime, will it not?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:55 PM - 10 June, 2015
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quit making excuses for shitty behavior man...


You're looking at a SMALL effect of a bigger problem.

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now THREE people are happy, YOU - because now you see your neighbors with trimmed bushes and grass, The KID - because they have some extra money coming in, and the NEIGHBOR - as now they are fostering a relationship with you and or the person doing the lawn and it improves the look of the property.


Unless you know the specifics of someone's situation, it's hard to really and truthfully address it fully.

Don't you KNOW cats who just don't know any better?
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:56 PM - 10 June, 2015
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what do you think is priority #1?


Fixing the internals of the Black family. Structure, Father's in place, respecting ourselves, our women, each other.


ok, i can agree with that, because then everything else falls into place.


Right, then all the EFFECTS of that start to change the other pieces that need to be addressed.....

For example, the whole thing of respecting ourselves NATURALLY resolves the issue of Black on Black crime, will it not?


I ALMOST have no argument to this, I actually agree that this is a solid post BUT I feel like there is a key step you're leaving out.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:57 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Let's see if we can have a debate without throwing shots....again.


first off, that wasn't a shot... people like = people who make excuses and enable other people's bad behavior.

people like me = take responsibility, get up and do the right thing all the time.

so that wasn't a shot.... quit being so sensitive.


Nobody is being "sensitive" I just am trying to keep the debate flowing without all the tangents.

We crack and throw shots ALL DAY.

Can't or don't want to do something different?

And a LOT of what you can be saying about the NEXT MAN could be pure speculation.
DJ Remix Detroit 2:59 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Unless you know the specifics of someone's situation, it's hard to really and truthfully address it fully.


it aint that deep for someone to cut their grass, stop speeding on a residential street with children playing, and keeping their dog on a leash to not shit on everyone else's property.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:01 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Let's see if we can have a debate without throwing shots....again.


secondly, you know my style.... i like to keep it entertaining... so if you don't like my style, then you are free to leave my thread sir.

thirdly... if you are so against "throwing shots" then you shouldn't be a hypocrite and throw them around yourself.

me personally, am not bothered by it, and i can take what i dish out.... and if there is somehting i don't like, i will either leave, or make sure I'm not doing it myself.


Bruh, I'm just trying to see if you can RISE ABOVE the shots and keep it movin...

OR is this thread is for entertainment purposes, and not really trying to address the matter at hand?

If it IS for Entertainment purposes, or not being about the Subject matter, then you can joke and jive all you want....lmao....

But then all you're doing is posting JUST to post, and not really concerned about "Black Lives Matter" or whatever else...

It's YOUR thread, so whatchu wanna do?
DJ Remix Detroit 3:01 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Let's see if we can have a debate without throwing shots....again.


first off, that wasn't a shot... people like = people who make excuses and enable other people's bad behavior.

people like me = take responsibility, get up and do the right thing all the time.

so that wasn't a shot.... quit being so sensitive.


Nobody is being "sensitive" I just am trying to keep the debate flowing without all the tangents.

We crack and throw shots ALL DAY.

Can't or don't want to do something different?

And a LOT of what you can be saying about the NEXT MAN could be pure speculation.


what would you do if me and my guests were speeding down your street, letting my dog shit on your lawn without cleaning it up, and my unkempt property dropped the value of your property?...you nicely approached me about it to "come up with a solution"... but i kept doing it?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:02 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Unless you know the specifics of someone's situation, it's hard to really and truthfully address it fully.


it aint that deep for someone to cut their grass, stop speeding on a residential street with children playing, and keeping their dog on a leash to not shit on everyone else's property.


Apparently it IS that deep that you've garnered an OPINION about it enough to voice it HERE....

The question is are you willing to ENGAGE them and hopefully work out a resolution?

Or do you not think that is necessary?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:03 PM - 10 June, 2015
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what would you do if me and my guests were speeding down your street, letting my dog shit on your lawn without cleaning it up, and my unkempt property dropped the value of your property?...you nicely approached me about it to "come up with a solution"... but i kept doing it?


Are you saying that you approached them about a SOLUTION?
DJ Remix Detroit 3:04 PM - 10 June, 2015
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OR is this thread is for entertainment purposes, and not really trying to address the matter at hand?


this is purely entertainment.... I'm not trying to cure black folks.... epecially not on a dj forum...lmao


i've found my cure: started my own business, moved away from blacks... now my life is drama free. (well at least for now, until more ghetto ass neighbors decide to move in... then I'm moving)
DJ Remix Detroit 3:05 PM - 10 June, 2015
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The question is are you willing to ENGAGE them and hopefully work out a resolution?


approaching them nicely and asking them to stop, is not engaging?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:05 PM - 10 June, 2015
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OR is this thread is for entertainment purposes, and not really trying to address the matter at hand?


this is purely entertainment.... I'm not trying to cure black folks.... epecially not on a dj forum...lmao


Ok, then you've kept it 100...

No further discussion needed at this point....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:06 PM - 10 June, 2015
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The question is are you willing to ENGAGE them and hopefully work out a resolution?


approaching them nicely and asking them to stop, is not engaging?


Like I'm saying, would the suggestion that I offered even be feasible?
DJ Remix Detroit 3:07 PM - 10 June, 2015
and obviously they haven't stopped... the only reason why the dog stopped roaming and shitting on everyone else's lawn is because i got video evidence, called the cops and animal control wrote them several tickets. (all dogs in my city have to be registered, and the city won't register aggressive breeds) so if your dog isn't registered, you get a fat $75 fine.

so they finally got rid of the dog.
DJ Remix Detroit 3:08 PM - 10 June, 2015
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The question is are you willing to ENGAGE them and hopefully work out a resolution?


approaching them nicely and asking them to stop, is not engaging?


Like I'm saying, would the suggestion that I offered even be feasible?


why should i have to go that far?.... they should stop breaking the law which is speeding and dog roaming around shitting on other's property.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:16 PM - 10 June, 2015
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why should i have to go that far?


Is it REALLY going that far?

3 PEOPLE make out in that scenario...YOU, the KID (or whoever cuts the grass), and the NEIGHBOR....

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.... they should stop breaking the law which is speeding and dog roaming around shitting on other's property.


And, NO DOUBT I'd be mad at them if that's the case, but I would have approached THEM about it....and if they weren't RESPONSIVE, then you have to do what you have to do...

But having to "Go that far" also helps build your COMMUNITY....

Now you'd have nice grass, and teaching THEM to keep up with YOU, so your property value doesn't go down...

See, having to "Go that far" actually helps YOU in the long run.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:18 PM - 10 June, 2015
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i've found my cure: started my own business, moved away from blacks... now my life is drama free. (well at least for now, until more ghetto ass neighbors decide to move in... then I'm moving)


I'm glad at your success, but also realize that you're not necessarily doing YOUR part to help US out...

You'll be forever running.....I'll be damned if I do..
DJ Remix Detroit 3:25 PM - 10 June, 2015
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3 PEOPLE make out in that scenario...YOU, the KID (or whoever cuts the grass), and the NEIGHBOR....


its not my job to seek out some kid to cut their grass. when there are 3+ adults in their house.

i work 10+hours/day 6days/wk. with a family... and i cut my grass every 2 weeks.... there's no excuses
DJ Remix Detroit 3:26 PM - 10 June, 2015
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You'll be forever running.....I'll be damned if I do..


i'll be running, but at least i have more of chance of being alive.
AKIEM 3:30 PM - 10 June, 2015
only "trouble makers" in my neighborhood are Asian and White. None of the Black people or Mexicans are a problem (that I know of). And the Asians just moved out.... that leaves the Whites - go figure
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:38 PM - 10 June, 2015
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its not my job


And there it is...

How can you be concerned about #BlackLivesMatter if you're not willing to do as WE ALL SHOULD BE DOING as Black folk and engage ourselves to better ourselves?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:39 PM - 10 June, 2015
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You'll be forever running.....I'll be damned if I do..


i'll be running, but at least i have more of chance of being alive.


And not to slam you, but one day, you'll get tired of running...
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:41 PM - 10 June, 2015
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only "trouble makers" in my neighborhood are Asian and White. None of the Black people or Mexicans are a problem (that I know of). And the Asians just moved out.... that leaves the Whites - go figure

What kinda troubles? Also, how many whites live in your neighborhood
DJ Remix Detroit 4:28 PM - 10 June, 2015
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you're not willing to do as WE ALL SHOULD BE DOING as Black folk and engage ourselves to better ourselves?



i told you i went over there and asked them to stop speeding, in a nice way. they took my kindness for weakness and continued to do it anyway, even though i brought up the innocent kids that are playing in the neighborhood.

they don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves... it's not my job to kiss their ass.
DJ Remix Detroit 4:34 PM - 10 June, 2015
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And not to slam you, but one day, you'll get tired of running...


that's not slamming... quit being so sensitive man


well, i see the "good black folk" that decided to stay in detroit, because they wanted to "engage and better" other negroes.... ended up getting their houses burned down and robbed anyway.

my wife old neighborhood used to be a very nice neighborhood 30yrs ago... now there are only 4 houses on her block, the rest of them are burned down.

and the ones that are still standing are occupied by your kind of people. but they too are being victimized by the rest of the blacks that are there. living in houses that have bars all over the windows and doors and trash and drugs all around...smh

i'd rather "run" and be around white people who care about their community, than stay around blacks who can give a shit less.
DJ Remix Detroit 4:36 PM - 10 June, 2015
hell, one of the cities outside of detroit that was primarily white, is now flooded with blacks from the city and the city has gone downhill in the last 10 yrs, from what it used to be.

the city had to severely raise taxes just to stop the rest of them from flooding in.
DJ Remix Detroit 4:38 PM - 10 June, 2015
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How can you be concerned about #BlackLivesMatter


and i'm not concerned with it... I'm just asking the legit question: if blacklivesmatter, then why are the number one killers and victimizers of blacks, blacks?

like i said, i solved my problem, i moved to the burbs around white folks, and all has been peachy keen.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:48 PM - 10 June, 2015
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i told you i went over there and asked them to stop speeding, in a nice way. they took my kindness for weakness and continued to do it anyway, even though i brought up the innocent kids that are playing in the neighborhood.


Hold up, are these those SAME NEIGHBORS that you said you went over there but had your gun on you?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:51 PM - 10 June, 2015
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that's not slamming... quit being so sensitive man


I'm not being "sensitive", I'm trying to keep the conversation at a certain level.

To be truthful, you COULD have felt some way about me saying you were "Running".

Which in actuality you are....but if that's what you need to do to survive, I'll respect that.

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i'd rather "run" and be around white people who care about their community, than stay around blacks who can give a shit less.


That is your prerogative, so again, you're not necessarily concerned with FIXING the problem yourself....which is your right.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:52 PM - 10 June, 2015
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the city had to severely raise taxes just to stop the rest of them from flooding in.


But aren't you "one of them"?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:54 PM - 10 June, 2015
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and i'm not concerned with it... I'm just asking the legit question: if blacklivesmatter, then why are the number one killers and victimizers of blacks, blacks?


Which is your prerogative to answer, but at the same time, don't really (don't have to I guess), want to improve the situation from a perspective of where YOU can assist.

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like i said, i solved my problem, i moved to the burbs around white folks, and all has been peachy keen.


Roger that.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:54 PM - 10 June, 2015
*perogative
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 4:56 PM - 10 June, 2015
See, I'm basically giving you the benefit OF THE DOUBT, simply because you're black, and MIGHT be interested in what it MAY take to improve the situation.

If you're just asking for "Entertainment Purposes Only", then this "debate" isn't really fostering anything.
DJ Remix Detroit 5:01 PM - 10 June, 2015
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i told you i went over there and asked them to stop speeding, in a nice way. they took my kindness for weakness and continued to do it anyway, even though i brought up the innocent kids that are playing in the neighborhood.


Hold up, are these those SAME NEIGHBORS that you said you went over there but had your gun on you?



yes...
DJ Remix Detroit 5:02 PM - 10 June, 2015
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the city had to severely raise taxes just to stop the rest of them from flooding in.


But aren't you "one of them"?


nope... i can afford to pay the taxes
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:03 PM - 10 June, 2015
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i told you i went over there and asked them to stop speeding, in a nice way. they took my kindness for weakness and continued to do it anyway, even though i brought up the innocent kids that are playing in the neighborhood.


Hold up, are these those SAME NEIGHBORS that you said you went over there but had your gun on you?


yes...


Then there's a question of whether or not you "really" asked then "Nicely" versus having the presumption that they weren't going to respond in a positive manner, thus strapping up.

We already went thru that whole scenario, but it is what it is.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:06 PM - 10 June, 2015
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the city had to severely raise taxes just to stop the rest of them from flooding in.


But aren't you "one of them"?


nope... i can afford to pay the taxes


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hell, one of the cities outside of detroit that was primarily white, is now flooded with blacks from the city and the city has gone downhill in the last 10 yrs, from what it used to be.


So I was addressing you as a "black person", not as someone who does or doesn't pay their taxes, but I get it.
DJ Remix Detroit 5:07 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Then there's a question of whether or not you "really" asked then "Nicely"


which i'm telling you i did. they had no idea i had a pistol on me.

i went over there, introduced myself and asked them to slow down because there are about 15-20 kids that play outside on our street.


the reason i strapped up is because i know negroes are stupid and do shit like this when you politely ask them to stop doing something:www.nydailynews.com
AKIEM 5:08 PM - 10 June, 2015
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only "trouble makers" in my neighborhood are Asian and White. None of the Black people or Mexicans are a problem (that I know of). And the Asians just moved out.... that leaves the Whites - go figure

What kinda troubles? Also, how many whites live in your neighborhood


How many? as in a number?

Whites are the majority (as far as I can tell)

Loud music, parties, litter from the Asians next door but they just left. Mexicans on the other side - nice couple except premo parking his Mexican cab funny. Ol White dude across the street, supper nice - he is probably about to kick the bucket. Black couple two doors down, fine. Black family on the corner, fine.

But around the corner we have the White dude driving reckless - mean muggin' people, yards a mess. And around the corner and to the right its really bad - these are the fools leaving beer cans, loud music, parties that look like a damn gang meeting, motorcycles waking the neighborhood in the middle of the night - all that type shit. Those are the ones, Im keeping eye on.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:12 PM - 10 June, 2015
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which i'm telling you i did. they had no idea i had a pistol on me.

i went over there, introduced myself and asked them to slow down because there are about 15-20 kids that play outside on our street.


Well, here's the deal.

We ALL know that when cats get a GUN, SOME approach certain situations DIFFERENTLY than if they weren't strapped up...

So, that being said, your presumption of "Kindly" or "Nicely" asked them is up for speculation at best....not saying you didn't TRULY, but again, we already see what happens when SOME folks get a pistol in their hands....

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the reason i strapped up is because i know negroes are stupid and do shit like this when you politely ask them to stop doing something:


Again, that's a presumption, but hey, you handled it the way you saw fit....

Some other cats might have handled it differently....
DJ Remix Detroit 5:15 PM - 10 June, 2015
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we already see what happens when SOME folks get a pistol in their hands....


and we see what happens when some folks know others don't have a pistol:www.nydailynews.com
AKIEM 5:16 PM - 10 June, 2015
What cracks me up about Remixes 'theory' is that he actually CAN see certain things have had a negative effect, desegregation, welfare - but his solution is 'Blacks need to just stop committing crimes'

How?

Personal Responsibility
(a group is not a person dude)
DJ Remix Detroit 5:17 PM - 10 June, 2015
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which i'm telling you i did. they had no idea i had a pistol on me.

i went over there, introduced myself and asked them to slow down because there are about 15-20 kids that play outside on our street.


Well, here's the deal.

We ALL know that when cats get a GUN, SOME approach certain situations DIFFERENTLY than if they weren't strapped up...

So, that being said, your presumption of "Kindly" or "Nicely" asked them is up for speculation at best....not saying you didn't TRULY, but again, we already see what happens when SOME folks get a pistol in their hands....

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the reason i strapped up is because i know negroes are stupid and do shit like this when you politely ask them to stop doing something:


Again, that's a presumption, but hey, you handled it the way you saw fit....

Some other cats might have handled it differently....


you keep bringing up the pistol like it was a factor in the engagement....when it clearly wasn't.

they never had any idea i was strapped. it was there just incase they decided to pull one of these numbers:www.nydailynews.com
RogerRabbit 5:18 PM - 10 June, 2015
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OR is this thread is for entertainment purposes, and not really trying to address the matter at hand?


this is purely entertainment.... I'm not trying to cure black folks.... epecially not on a dj forum...lmao


i've found my cure: started my own business, moved away from blacks... now my life is drama free. (well at least for now, until more ghetto ass neighbors decide to move in... then I'm moving)

In essence you are saying, "black lives do not matter" or as your thread say BlackLivesMatter.......NOT!!!!

You are just talking about this(brothers getting killed) because it is currently trending in the media.

You are talking about black lives then say it is entertainment - please tell me what is so entertaining about this.
DJ Remix Detroit 5:18 PM - 10 June, 2015
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What cracks me up about Remixes 'theory' is that he actually CAN see certain things have had a negative effect, desegregation, welfare - but his solution is 'Blacks need to just stop committing crimes'

How?

Personal Responsibility
(a group is not a person dude)


smh.. you are truly an idot... ignore button engaged
AKIEM 5:19 PM - 10 June, 2015
Everyone knows Remix strapped up and walked over there pretending to be some type of authority. Had is anti-black-youth-bias emanating from his whole frame. And therefore was rebuffed.
AKIEM 5:22 PM - 10 June, 2015
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What cracks me up about Remixes 'theory' is that he actually CAN see certain things have had a negative effect, desegregation, welfare - but his solution is 'Blacks need to just stop committing crimes'

How?

Personal Responsibility
(a group is not a person dude)


smh.. you are truly an idot... ignore button engaged


ah - the shield of ignorance - one of the most powerful weapons available. close your eyes, cover your ears. works like a charm - lol
DJ Remix Detroit 5:25 PM - 10 June, 2015
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OR is this thread is for entertainment purposes, and not really trying to address the matter at hand?


this is purely entertainment.... I'm not trying to cure black folks.... epecially not on a dj forum...lmao


i've found my cure: started my own business, moved away from blacks... now my life is drama free. (well at least for now, until more ghetto ass neighbors decide to move in... then I'm moving)

In essence you are saying, "black lives do not matter" or as your thread say BlackLivesMatter.......NOT!!!!

You are just talking about this(brothers getting killed) because it is currently trending in the media.

You are talking about black lives then say it is entertainment - please tell me what is so entertaining about this.



ummmm, no.


I'm simply asking a question, if black lives matter, then why are the number one killers of blacks, other black people?

it's simple... please try and keep up.


it's like a store owner finding out the neighborhood kids are stealing packs of gum from his corner store..... so he starts trying to convince the public that his store matters, and that people in the community should keep their kids from stealing from his store....

yet in the background he has an employee stealing $1000's from the safe every week... and he choses to ignore the employee but exhaust all of his resources tackling the kids stealing $.25 packs of gum.

it makes no logical sense what soever
AKIEM 5:29 PM - 10 June, 2015
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OR is this thread is for entertainment purposes, and not really trying to address the matter at hand?


this is purely entertainment.... I'm not trying to cure black folks.... epecially not on a dj forum...lmao


i've found my cure: started my own business, moved away from blacks... now my life is drama free. (well at least for now, until more ghetto ass neighbors decide to move in... then I'm moving)

In essence you are saying, "black lives do not matter" or as your thread say BlackLivesMatter.......NOT!!!!

You are just talking about this(brothers getting killed) because it is currently trending in the media.

You are talking about black lives then say it is entertainment - please tell me what is so entertaining about this.



ummmm, no.


I'm simply asking a question, if black lives matter, then why are the number one killers of blacks, other black people?

it's simple... please try and keep up.


it's like a store owner finding out the neighborhood kids are stealing packs of gum from his corner store..... so he starts trying to convince the public that his store matters, and that people in the community should keep their kids from stealing from his store....

yet in the background he has an employee stealing $1000's from the safe every week... and he choses to ignore the employee but exhaust all of his resources tackling the kids stealing $.25 packs of gum.

it makes no logical sense what soever



you have absolutely no comprehension ability when it comes to these issues. Every point you are making was explained several times by multiple people - including links to the words of the people who started the hashtag - how are you still here like nothing was explained?
AKIEM 5:33 PM - 10 June, 2015
And I will make one more point. #blacklivesmatter for some people is also a response to the indifference the authorities often have when the murder victim is Black. Everyone understand the double standard at play depending on who the victim is - race is one of those factors.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:33 PM - 10 June, 2015
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you keep bringing up the pistol like it was a factor in the engagement....when it clearly wasn't.


That is not necessarily so.

The reason why you had a pistol was to "Protect yourself" from possible harm, was it not?

If we can't agree that having a pistol on one's person MAY alter how someone interacts with another person, then we've got a separate issue.

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they never had any idea i was strapped. it was there just incase they decided to pull one of these numbers


Again,(but I wasn't there), it's POSSIBLE that you came off like a COP or Pseudo Authoritative figure VS. a concerned neighbor, and they dismissed you based on your interaction.
AKIEM 5:35 PM - 10 June, 2015
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you keep bringing up the pistol like it was a factor in the engagement....when it clearly wasn't.


That is not necessarily so.

The reason why you had a pistol was to "Protect yourself" from possible harm, was it not?

If we can't agree that having a pistol on one's person MAY alter how someone interacts with another person, then we've got a separate issue.

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they never had any idea i was strapped. it was there just incase they decided to pull one of these numbers


Again,(but I wasn't there), it's POSSIBLE that you came off like a COP or Pseudo Authoritative figure VS. a concerned neighbor, and they dismissed you based on your interaction.



If he had the outfit his avatar has on - they thought he was a rival gang member - lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:35 PM - 10 June, 2015
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it's like a store owner finding out the neighborhood kids are stealing packs of gum from his corner store..... so he starts trying to convince the public that his store matters, and that people in the community should keep their kids from stealing from his store....

yet in the background he has an employee stealing $1000's from the safe every week... and he choses to ignore the employee but exhaust all of his resources tackling the kids stealing $.25 packs of gum.

it makes no logical sense whatsoever


In other words....he should clean up his OWN home/house/store first?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:36 PM - 10 June, 2015
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If he had the outfit his avatar has on - they thought he was a rival gang member - lol


See....I just CAN'T with you....lmao.

BRUH, PRESERVE THE INTERGRITY OF THIS CONVO!
DJ Remix Detroit 5:37 PM - 10 June, 2015
the store owner should be more concerned with the employee stealing $1000's.... because it can eventually destroy him in the end.
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it's possible, but i'm telling you it didn't happen.
AKIEM 5:39 PM - 10 June, 2015
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it's like a store owner finding out the neighborhood kids are stealing packs of gum from his corner store..... so he starts trying to convince the public that his store matters, and that people in the community should keep their kids from stealing from his store....

yet in the background he has an employee stealing $1000's from the safe every week... and he choses to ignore the employee but exhaust all of his resources tackling the kids stealing $.25 packs of gum.

it makes no logical sense whatsoever


Where is your evidence that "all his resources" are being spent on the petty theft?


AND isn't that the Broken Windows theory in action?
DJ Remix Detroit 5:41 PM - 10 June, 2015
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you keep bringing up the pistol like it was a factor in the engagement....when it clearly wasn't.


That is not necessarily so.

The reason why you had a pistol was to "Protect yourself" from possible harm, was it not?

If we can't agree that having a pistol on one's person MAY alter how someone interacts with another person, then we've got a separate issue.

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they never had any idea i was strapped. it was there just incase they decided to pull one of these numbers


Again,(but I wasn't there), it's POSSIBLE that you came off like a COP or Pseudo Authoritative figure VS. a concerned neighbor, and they dismissed you based on your interaction.



If he had the outfit his avatar has on - they thought he was a rival gang member - lol



lol... that made me laugh.

guess if i agreed to that "semi-truce" i wouldn't of had that one coming...huh???
AKIEM 5:43 PM - 10 June, 2015
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you keep bringing up the pistol like it was a factor in the engagement....when it clearly wasn't.


That is not necessarily so.

The reason why you had a pistol was to "Protect yourself" from possible harm, was it not?

If we can't agree that having a pistol on one's person MAY alter how someone interacts with another person, then we've got a separate issue.

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they never had any idea i was strapped. it was there just incase they decided to pull one of these numbers


Again,(but I wasn't there), it's POSSIBLE that you came off like a COP or Pseudo Authoritative figure VS. a concerned neighbor, and they dismissed you based on your interaction.



If he had the outfit his avatar has on - they thought he was a rival gang member - lol



lol... that made me laugh.

guess if i agreed to that "semi-truce" i wouldn't of had that one coming...huh???


nah, you would have still got it, and worse - not here tho
DJ Remix Detroit 5:46 PM - 10 June, 2015
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you keep bringing up the pistol like it was a factor in the engagement....when it clearly wasn't.


That is not necessarily so.

The reason why you had a pistol was to "Protect yourself" from possible harm, was it not?

If we can't agree that having a pistol on one's person MAY alter how someone interacts with another person, then we've got a separate issue.

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they never had any idea i was strapped. it was there just incase they decided to pull one of these numbers


Again,(but I wasn't there), it's POSSIBLE that you came off like a COP or Pseudo Authoritative figure VS. a concerned neighbor, and they dismissed you based on your interaction.



If he had the outfit his avatar has on - they thought he was a rival gang member - lol



lol... that made me laugh.

guess if i agreed to that "semi-truce" i wouldn't of had that one coming...huh???


nah, you would have still got it, and worse - not here tho


so then your "semi-truce" was bullshit....

gotcha.
DJ Remix Detroit 5:52 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Again,(but I wasn't there), it's POSSIBLE that you came off like a COP or Pseudo Authoritative figure VS. a concerned neighbor, and they dismissed you based on your interaction.


and is it POSSIBLE that I could go over there nicely and they still act ignorant and try to beat me to a pulp?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:04 PM - 10 June, 2015
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the store owner should be more concerned with the employee stealing $1000's.... because it can eventually destroy him in the end.


Right, which is akin to fixing the Black FAMILY (Home) first when drawing back to the topic at hand.

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it's possible, but i'm telling you it didn't happen.


The fact that it's POSSIBLE then leaves the situation up to interpretation.

Obviously we can't get THEIR opinion, so.....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:06 PM - 10 June, 2015
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guess if i agreed to that "semi-truce" i wouldn't of had that one coming...huh???


Oh no....

***dead****
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:08 PM - 10 June, 2015
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so then your "semi-truce" was bullshit....
gotcha.


***dead again****

I'm sayin tho...we were doing good!

****sigh***
DJ Remix Detroit 6:30 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Again,(but I wasn't there), it's POSSIBLE that you came off like a COP or Pseudo Authoritative figure VS. a concerned neighbor, and they dismissed you based on your interaction.


and is it POSSIBLE that I could go over there nicely and they still act ignorant and try to beat me to a pulp?


^just gonna skip this one huh JM?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:36 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Again,(but I wasn't there), it's POSSIBLE that you came off like a COP or Pseudo Authoritative figure VS. a concerned neighbor, and they dismissed you based on your interaction.


and is it POSSIBLE that I could go over there nicely and they still act ignorant and try to beat me to a pulp?


Absolutely.....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:37 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Again,(but I wasn't there), it's POSSIBLE that you came off like a COP or Pseudo Authoritative figure VS. a concerned neighbor, and they dismissed you based on your interaction.


and is it POSSIBLE that I could go over there nicely and they still act ignorant and try to beat me to a pulp?


^just gonna skip this one huh JM?


Nope, I'll give you that....but also realize it's up for interpretation....
DJ Remix Detroit 6:39 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Again,(but I wasn't there), it's POSSIBLE that you came off like a COP or Pseudo Authoritative figure VS. a concerned neighbor, and they dismissed you based on your interaction.


and is it POSSIBLE that I could go over there nicely and they still act ignorant and try to beat me to a pulp?


^just gonna skip this one huh JM?


Nope, I'll give you that....but also realize it's up for interpretation....


exactly... and i live by the saying: it's better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:40 PM - 10 June, 2015
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exactly... and i live by the saying: it's better to have it and not need it, then to need it and not have it.


And AGAIN, it's up for interpretation, as you COULD have had a certain "tone" and they dismissed your request.....no matter how nice you "think" you were....
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:43 PM - 10 June, 2015
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What cracks me up about Remixes 'theory' is that he actually CAN see certain things have had a negative effect, desegregation, welfare - but his solution is 'Blacks need to just stop committing crimes'

How?

Personal Responsibility
(a group is not a person dude)

Sigh, here we go again with this. A group is a collection of individual, therefor if the individual members of the group display an attribute, the group reflects that attribute
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:45 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Again,(but I wasn't there), it's POSSIBLE that you came off like a COP or Pseudo Authoritative figure VS. a concerned neighbor, and they dismissed you based on your interaction.



If you dismiss someone because they may be a cop or an authority figure than you are a part of the problem
DJ Remix Detroit 6:48 PM - 10 June, 2015
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certain "tone"


regardless of "tone"... if someone makes a valid point, then the facts are all that matter


and you wonder why blacks are always getting fucked up by law enforcement...

isn't that what happened in Texas?


the kids needed to leave and they were told to leave... but of course the black chick had a problem with the way the cop came at her.... even though the fact was, she needed to back the fuck up. but of course she was too worried about how the cop said it instead of the fact of the matter.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:49 PM - 10 June, 2015
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If you dismiss someone because they may be a cop or an authority figure than you are a part of the problem


No you're not, because if you haven't been properly trained to interact with civilians, and / or introduce yourself as a LEGIT Authoritative figure, then the person "Acting" like a cop is the problem.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:50 PM - 10 June, 2015
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certain "tone"


regardless of "tone"...


But you're not a COP, so what's the comparison?
DJ Remix Detroit 6:50 PM - 10 June, 2015
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you COULD have had a certain "tone" and they dismissed your request



so you are saying that regardless of whether or not i was right or they were wrong.... the "tone" is more important than doing what's right?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:52 PM - 10 June, 2015
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and you wonder why blacks are always getting fucked up by law enforcement...


If there isn't the expected COMPLIANCE, then anything can happen...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:53 PM - 10 June, 2015
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you COULD have had a certain "tone" and they dismissed your request


so you are saying that regardless of whether or not i was right or they were wrong.... the "tone" is more important than doing what's right?


You could have been right ALL DAY LONG, but if you came off like an A**hole, then ain't nobody gonna listen to you....

C'mon man, stop playin.
DJ Remix Detroit 6:53 PM - 10 June, 2015
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certain "tone"


regardless of "tone"...


But you're not a COP, so what's the comparison?


what does being a cop have to do with it?.... my kids are outside playing and they are the only ones speeding. they are breaking the law and putting my kids in danger.

whether I'm a cop or not, whether i shout or beg for them to stop speeding, the number one thing they should be concerned with is whether they are doing the right thing or not. and if someone is doing 40+ in a 20mph zone.... then they are clearly wrong.
DJ Remix Detroit 6:53 PM - 10 June, 2015
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You could have been right ALL DAY LONG, but if you came off like an A**hole, then ain't nobody gonna listen to you....


are they assholes for speeding and breaking the law?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:55 PM - 10 June, 2015
So back to the "Right or Wrong", so YES, you may have been right about some things, they chose to ignore you, and you put Jake on them...

That's EXACTLY how that's supposed to go.....technically...

But it's POSSIBLE that it could have been handled differently...
DJ Remix Detroit 6:55 PM - 10 June, 2015
are they assholes for speeding and breaking the law, putting innocent kids lives in danger?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:57 PM - 10 June, 2015
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what does being a cop have to do with it?....


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And think that someone is gonna LISTEN to YOU....

vs

A COP who may or may NOT have a certain "Tone", but you HAVE to comply with what they're requesting....

So YOU having a "tone" is different than a cop having a certain "tone".
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:58 PM - 10 June, 2015
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are they assholes for speeding and breaking the law, putting innocent kids lives in danger?


Again, I don't doubt your CLAIM that they did that...,

I'm saying that you've already considered them "A**holes", strapped up, and expect us to believe that you asked them "Nicely"....
DJ Remix Detroit 6:58 PM - 10 June, 2015
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are they assholes for speeding and breaking the law, putting innocent kids lives in danger?
DJ Remix Detroit 6:59 PM - 10 June, 2015
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are they assholes for speeding and breaking the law, putting innocent kids lives in danger?


Again, I don't doubt your CLAIM that they did that...,

I'm saying that you've already considered them "A**holes", strapped up, and expect us to believe that you asked them "Nicely"....


that's not what i asked you
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:59 PM - 10 June, 2015
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what does being a cop have to do with it?....


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regardless of "tone"...


And think that someone is gonna LISTEN to YOU....

vs

A COP who may or may NOT have a certain "Tone", but you HAVE to comply with what they're requesting....

So YOU having a "tone" is different than a cop having a certain "tone".
DJ Remix Detroit 7:00 PM - 10 June, 2015
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are they assholes for speeding and breaking the law, putting innocent kids lives in danger?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:00 PM - 10 June, 2015
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that's not what i asked you


You're asking for my OPINION based on what you have presented....

I don't have all the facts needed to make a judgment, as I haven't heard their side, so NO I'm not going to call them A**sholes from the door.
DJ Remix Detroit 7:00 PM - 10 June, 2015
^ that's a y or n question
DJ Remix Detroit 7:01 PM - 10 June, 2015
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that's not what i asked you


You're asking for my OPINION based on what you have presented....

I don't have all the facts needed to make a judgment, as I haven't heard their side, so NO I'm not going to call them A**sholes from the door.


for shits and giggles... let's say it's true.

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DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:01 PM - 10 June, 2015
You don't even need my co-sign for that..if that's how YOU feel about them, then that's cool, I can't give you my OPINION because I don't know both sides...
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:02 PM - 10 June, 2015
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for shits and giggles... let's say it's true.


If I was able to VERIFY that it was true, then of course...

But why even ask that?

This is how YOU feel about them, not anybody else.
DJ Remix Detroit 7:03 PM - 10 June, 2015
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You don't even need my co-sign for that..if that's how YOU feel about them, then that's cool, I can't give you my OPINION because I don't know both sides...


that's y i said for shits and giggles.

lets say that my account is true. they are speeding double the speed limit.

would you consider that an asshole move, knowing there are kids playing on that street?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:04 PM - 10 June, 2015
And they would only be A**sholes IF I presented them (in an unholstered fashion) with a solution to end our problem, and they IGNORED it....
DJ Remix Detroit 7:05 PM - 10 June, 2015
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ut if you came off like an A**hole, then ain't nobody gonna listen to you....

^ but you had no problem saying "if i came off like an asshole"...

funny how you didn't say "i don't have all the facts"...


seems like you have a bad habit of giving the idiots a pass... which is typical.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:06 PM - 10 June, 2015
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You don't even need my co-sign for that..if that's how YOU feel about them, then that's cool, I can't give you my OPINION because I don't know both sides...


that's y i said for shits and giggles.

lets say that my account is true. they are speeding double the speed limit.

would you consider that an asshole move, knowing there are kids playing on that street?

I don't understand the "What if" scenario here...

Common sense would tell you that, HOWEVER, this leads me to believe that you went over there with a chip on your shoulder vs. "Kindly asked them"....so...
DJ Remix Detroit 7:07 PM - 10 June, 2015
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And they would only be A**sholes IF I presented them (in an unholstered fashion) with a solution to end our problem, and they IGNORED it....


wow...smh


so a person doing double the speed limit in an area with kids playing .... isn't being an asshole?

they are only an asshole if they don't stop when you tell them to.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:07 PM - 10 June, 2015
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ut if you came off like an A**hole, then ain't nobody gonna listen to you....


^ but you had no problem saying "if i came off like an asshole"...

funny how you didn't say "i don't have all the facts"...

seems like you have a bad habit of giving the idiots a pass... which is typical.


Bruh I said "IF" you came off like an A**shole....then..etc..etc...

I didn't say you DID, but now you wanna go back to shots?

Is that it?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:09 PM - 10 June, 2015
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wow...smh

so a person doing double the speed limit in an area with kids playing .... isn't being an asshole?

they are only an asshole if they don't stop when you tell them to.


The same can be said about someone who goes up to their neighbor strapped, and not so "Nicely and Kindly" asks them to stop...

C'mon man, now you're getting into the EFFECTS vs the CAUSE of these situations...

No need for "What if's", and pretend I DID act nice, and etc..etc..
DJ Remix Detroit 7:10 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Bruh I said "IF" you came off like an A**shole....then..etc..etc...


but you didnt use the "if" with them.... your whole stance was "i don't have all the fact"...

you didnt have all the facts but you had no problem say "if i came off like an asshole".


its just weird that you didnt give me the same courtesy of "not having all the facts" as you did them.

weird
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:11 PM - 10 June, 2015
You're looking for justification.......which you don't need from us.

If you THINK you did the right then, then more power to you...

I'm just saying it PROBABLY could have been handled differently.
DJ Remix Detroit 7:11 PM - 10 June, 2015
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You're looking for justification.......which you don't need from us.

If you THINK you did the right then, then more power to you...

I'm just saying it PROBABLY could have been handled differently.


wtf are you talking about?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:12 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Bruh I said "IF" you came off like an A**shole....then..etc..etc...


but you didnt use the "if" with them.... your whole stance was "i don't have all the fact"...

you didnt have all the facts but you had no problem say "if i came off like an asshole".

its just weird that you didnt give me the same courtesy of "not having all the facts" as you did them.

weird


Wait, lemmie get this straight...

So because YOU are explaining YOUR SIDE TO ME, I can't assume you're giving me all of YOUR facts from YOUR SIDE?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:13 PM - 10 June, 2015
There's 3 sides to every story..

Your side..
Their side...
and The Truth.
DJ Remix Detroit 7:13 PM - 10 June, 2015
i asked you a simple question... and your response was the person is only an asshole if they don't comply with your suggestion.


I'm saying the person is an asshole for putting kids lives in danger in the first place.


because of my opinion that if you are gonna act like an asshole... then don't be a hypocrite and a whiny bitch, and take about "tone of voice" when someone acts like an asshole back to you.
DJ Remix Detroit 7:14 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Bruh I said "IF" you came off like an A**shole....then..etc..etc...


but you didnt use the "if" with them.... your whole stance was "i don't have all the fact"...

you didnt have all the facts but you had no problem say "if i came off like an asshole".

its just weird that you didnt give me the same courtesy of "not having all the facts" as you did them.

weird


Wait, lemmie get this straight...

So because YOU are explaining YOUR SIDE TO ME, I can't assume you're giving me all of YOUR facts from YOUR SIDE?


no, not at all... you missed my point
DJ Remix Detroit 7:15 PM - 10 June, 2015
my stance is, if you start acting like an asshole first, then why is it wrong for people to act like an asshole back?

and then why whine and complain about people being an asshole to you? it's very hypocritical
DJ Remix Detroit 7:16 PM - 10 June, 2015
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There's 3 sides to every story..

Your side..
Their side...
and The Truth.


you lost my point dude... just drop it
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:16 PM - 10 June, 2015
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I'm saying the person is an asshole for putting kids lives in danger in the first place.


You're asking a common sense question tho, but we weren't talking about THAT particular aspect of it...

We were talking about whether or NOT they perceived YOU as an A**hole or not...

We already KNOW you think THEY'RE a**sholes....lmao.
DJ Remix Detroit 7:17 PM - 10 June, 2015
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I'm saying the person is an asshole for putting kids lives in danger in the first place.


You're asking a common sense question tho, but we weren't talking about THAT particular aspect of it...

We were talking about whether or NOT they perceived YOU as an A**hole or not...

We already KNOW you think THEY'RE a**sholes....lmao.


ok, so regardless of whether or not i came off as an asshole, why should they be mad at me for being an asshole when they did it first....
DJ Remix Detroit 7:18 PM - 10 June, 2015
i can't go around stealing,,, and then when someone steals from me, i get mad.

that's hypocritical
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:18 PM - 10 June, 2015
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no, not at all... you missed my point


I get it now, but again, we were talking about whether or not they thought YOU were an A**shole in the first place based on tone or whatever...

NOT whether or not YOU thought they were for whatever they did (or didn't do) in the first place....

One doesn't have anything to do with the other....

Unless, you think that OK, they're A**holes, so I'll be one too....etc..etc...
DJ Remix Detroit 7:18 PM - 10 June, 2015
i can't go around being an asshole, and then get mad when someone is an asshole to me.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:19 PM - 10 June, 2015
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ok, so regardless of whether or not i came off as an asshole, why should they be mad at me for being an asshole when they did it first....


Because that's how you FIX sh*t.

Let's say they WERE A**holes from the door...

You coming over being an A**hole is NOT going to fix it, no matter how RIGHT you truly are.
DJ Remix Detroit 7:19 PM - 10 June, 2015
same concept of the "shots" thrown in the forum...

i throw shots all the time.... how would it look if i got mad because someone threw a shot a me?
DJ Remix Detroit 7:20 PM - 10 June, 2015
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ok, so regardless of whether or not i came off as an asshole, why should they be mad at me for being an asshole when they did it first....


Because that's how you FIX sh*t.

Let's say they WERE A**holes from the door...

You coming over being an A**hole is NOT going to fix it, no matter how RIGHT you truly are.


well, we have to disagree then, because i don't see it that way. maybe 50-60 yrs ago yeah, but not in todays age.

so no more to discuss about that then
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:21 PM - 10 June, 2015
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that's hypocritical


No, you said it wrong, it should be Someone steals from YOU, and then YOU go Steal from THAT person and they get mad...

You're trying to say, Someone steals from you, and then YOU go steal from SOMEONE ELSE, and they get mad....no bruh, the first scenario is what applies here.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:23 PM - 10 June, 2015
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i can't go around being an asshole, and then get mad when someone is an asshole to me.


If someone is an Asshole to YOU, you DO have the right to be an A**hole back to them, but don't get mad if they don't listen to you....

If you want them to LISTEN to you, then try NOT being an A**hole to them, (even though they were to you), and see if that works....

If not, then be the biggest A**hole you can be.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:25 PM - 10 June, 2015
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same concept of the "shots" thrown in the forum...

i throw shots all the time.... how would it look if i got mad because someone threw a shot a me?


Again, you're saying it wrong, they have to have thrown shots at YOU FIRST, then you throw them back....No harm no foul...

If you throw shots, and then get MAD (like a lot of cats on here when skirts are pulled), when shots are thrown back, then cats shouldn't be throwing them in the first place....
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:25 PM - 10 June, 2015
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well, we have to disagree then, because i don't see it that way. maybe 50-60 yrs ago yeah, but not in todays age.

so no more to discuss about that then


Fair enough...
DJ Remix Detroit 7:27 PM - 10 June, 2015
back to the news:

Black male shot, killed outside Detroit strip club, by another BLACK male
www.freep.com


#blacklivesmatter
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:28 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Black male shot, killed outside Detroit strip club, by another BLACK male

www.freep.com

#blacklivesmatter


Entertainment?
DJ Remix Detroit 7:29 PM - 10 June, 2015
More BLACKonBLACK crime:

Triple shooting on Detroit's east side
www.detroitnews.com
DJ Remix Detroit 7:29 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Black male shot, killed outside Detroit strip club, by another BLACK male

www.freep.com

#blacklivesmatter


Entertainment?


my question stands, if black lives matter, why are blacks the main killers of other blacks
AKIEM 7:34 PM - 10 June, 2015
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What cracks me up about Remixes 'theory' is that he actually CAN see certain things have had a negative effect, desegregation, welfare - but his solution is 'Blacks need to just stop committing crimes'

How?

Personal Responsibility
(a group is not a person dude)

Sigh, here we go again with this. A group is a collection of individual, therefor if the individual members of the group display an attribute, the group reflects that attribute


no one said anything about DISPLAY.

We are talking about EFFECT. And again, a single cause can effect an entire group. And if a single CAUSE is the problem, then the solution is dealing with that single CAUSE. Individual Responsibility may be the solution for several individuals. But to deal with the ACTUAL problem it is the CAUSE that needs to be dealt with.
AKIEM 7:42 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Black male shot, killed outside Detroit strip club, by another BLACK male

www.freep.com

#blacklivesmatter


Entertainment?


my question stands, if black lives matter, why are blacks the main killers of other blacks


Did the killer have on a #blacklivesmatter t-shirt? Or am I missing something?
AKIEM 7:45 PM - 10 June, 2015
So if a guy is acting like an asshole, the response is get mad and retaliate like an asshole??

And Remix is supposed to be the best negro we got?
(if thats true, beezle just may be on to something - lol)
DJ Remix Detroit 7:47 PM - 10 June, 2015
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So if a guy is acting like an asshole, the response is get mad and retaliate like an asshole??

And Remix is supposed to be the best negro we got?
(if thats true, beezle just may be on to something - lol)

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DJ Remix Detroit 7:47 PM - 10 June, 2015
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Or am I missing something?


***wink wink**** start between the ears
DJ Remix Detroit 7:48 PM - 10 June, 2015
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And Remix is supposed to be the best negro we got?
(if thats true, beezle just may be on to something - lol)


you're going HAM today... mr "semi-truce"...lol
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:59 PM - 10 June, 2015
And DJ Remix Detroit, I can appreciate you sticking to the script and candor...

I look forward to debating with you in the future....
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:01 PM - 10 June, 2015
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that's hypocritical

Wait!!!! say that again. I dont think Akiem heard you
AKIEM 8:11 PM - 10 June, 2015
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that's hypocritical

Wait!!!! say that again. I dont think Akiem heard you


I agree.

AND?
AKIEM 8:14 PM - 10 June, 2015
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And Remix is supposed to be the best negro we got?
(if thats true, beezle just may be on to something - lol)


you're going HAM today... mr "semi-truce"...lol


don't eat it - but like I always say - don't start none, won't be none

If we can't agree / we can't agree / no agreement - duh

Oh shit - beezle, right again!
AKIEM 12:23 AM - 11 June, 2015
#blacklivesDONTmattertodjremixdetroit LOL
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 3:18 AM - 11 June, 2015
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nah, you would have still got it, and worse - not here tho


I'm still trying to figure this one out tho....
DJ Remix Detroit 9:54 AM - 11 June, 2015
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nah, you would have still got it, and worse - not here tho


I'm still trying to figure this one out tho....


ikr...weird...lol
DJ Remix Detroit 10:21 AM - 11 June, 2015
2 Black Male Teens Kill Black Female Teen, over Facebook Beef:

www.news.com.au

#blacklivesmatter
DJ Remix Detroit 10:40 AM - 11 June, 2015
16 yr old Black Male Carjacks Black Female, but Black Females Shoots Back

www.myfoxdetroit.com

#blacklivesmatter
DJ Remix Detroit 10:44 AM - 11 June, 2015
Black Female School Bus Driver having sex with Black underage students in her car:

www.gastongazette.com


#blacklivesmatter
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:48 PM - 11 June, 2015
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Black Female School Bus Driver having sex with Black underage students in her car:

www.gastongazette.com


#blacklivesmatter



Cant really use this one.. black lived matter so much to these two the were tryna make another one lol
DJ Remix Detroit 5:50 PM - 11 June, 2015
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Black Female School Bus Driver having sex with Black underage students in her car:

www.gastongazette.com


#blacklivesmatter



Cant really use this one.. black lived matter so much to these two the were tryna make another one lol


Lol. Good one
AKIEM 10:05 PM - 11 June, 2015
Search for double homicide suspect James Horn continues
www.abc2news.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really
AKIEM 10:08 PM - 11 June, 2015
Victim stabs suspect, shot fired during burglary
www.wwaytv3.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really
AKIEM 10:10 PM - 11 June, 2015
Suspect Shot by Fargo Police During Pursuit
www.kvrr.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really
AKIEM 10:12 PM - 11 June, 2015
...and the WHITE criminal plague continues, on and one - when will they clean themselves up?
#ALLlivesmatter // not really
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:53 PM - 12 June, 2015
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#ALLlivesmatter // not really



You answered your own question. When will we clean ourselves up? Well...



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Suspect Shot by Fargo Police During Pursuit
www.kvrr.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really



Shot by police, no riots over the issue, no protesting or demanding the cop be fired, no sugarcoating that he was actually a great guy killed by a currupt system.We identified that he was a piece of shit and we took him out. FILE UNDER CLEANED UP
AKIEM 7:18 PM - 12 June, 2015
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#ALLlivesmatter // not really



You answered your own question. When will we clean ourselves up? Well...



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Suspect Shot by Fargo Police During Pursuit
www.kvrr.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really



Shot by police, no riots over the issue, no protesting or demanding the cop be fired, no sugarcoating that he was actually a great guy killed by a currupt system.We identified that he was a piece of shit and we took him out. FILE UNDER CLEANED UP


Filed under - you will just keep doing it again and again - when will you whites cut that shit out - disgusting.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:23 PM - 12 June, 2015
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#ALLlivesmatter // not really



You answered your own question. When will we clean ourselves up? Well...



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Suspect Shot by Fargo Police During Pursuit
www.kvrr.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really



Shot by police, no riots over the issue, no protesting or demanding the cop be fired, no sugarcoating that he was actually a great guy killed by a currupt system.We identified that he was a piece of shit and we took him out. FILE UNDER CLEANED UP


Filed under - you will just keep doing it again and again - when will you whites cut that shit out - disgusting.



Killing criminals? Yes, we will keep doing it, hopefully we'll stop when theres no crime :)
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 7:23 PM - 12 June, 2015
I support the death penalty....
AKIEM 7:35 PM - 12 June, 2015
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#ALLlivesmatter // not really



You answered your own question. When will we clean ourselves up? Well...



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Suspect Shot by Fargo Police During Pursuit
www.kvrr.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really



Shot by police, no riots over the issue, no protesting or demanding the cop be fired, no sugarcoating that he was actually a great guy killed by a currupt system.We identified that he was a piece of shit and we took him out. FILE UNDER CLEANED UP


Filed under - you will just keep doing it again and again - when will you whites cut that shit out - disgusting.



Killing criminals? Yes, we will keep doing it, hopefully we'll stop when theres no crime :)


No, you will keep committing crimes. The plauge continues out of control.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:39 PM - 12 June, 2015
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#ALLlivesmatter // not really



You answered your own question. When will we clean ourselves up? Well...



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Suspect Shot by Fargo Police During Pursuit
www.kvrr.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really



Shot by police, no riots over the issue, no protesting or demanding the cop be fired, no sugarcoating that he was actually a great guy killed by a currupt system.We identified that he was a piece of shit and we took him out. FILE UNDER CLEANED UP


Filed under - you will just keep doing it again and again - when will you whites cut that shit out - disgusting.



Killing criminals? Yes, we will keep doing it, hopefully we'll stop when theres no crime :)


No, you will keep committing crimes. The plauge continues out of control.



....but you justbposted an example that was well controlled
AKIEM 10:57 PM - 12 June, 2015
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#ALLlivesmatter // not really



You answered your own question. When will we clean ourselves up? Well...



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Suspect Shot by Fargo Police During Pursuit
www.kvrr.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really



Shot by police, no riots over the issue, no protesting or demanding the cop be fired, no sugarcoating that he was actually a great guy killed by a currupt system.We identified that he was a piece of shit and we took him out. FILE UNDER CLEANED UP


Filed under - you will just keep doing it again and again - when will you whites cut that shit out - disgusting.



Killing criminals? Yes, we will keep doing it, hopefully we'll stop when theres no crime :)


No, you will keep committing crimes. The plauge continues out of control.



....but you justbposted an example that was well controlled


...and the plague continues - one devil down is a piss drop in the ocean

Oh shit, look at this damn devil: www.nydailynews.com

Should have unloaded a couple clips on him tho right?
#ALLlivesmatter // not really
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 11:22 PM - 12 June, 2015
Or does this go here? -> Watchwww.youtube.com
got2b Ru 11:38 PM - 12 June, 2015
I know who's voting for THIS guy....

www.detroitnews.com
DJ Remix Detroit 9:09 AM - 13 June, 2015
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#ALLlivesmatter

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Or does this go here? -> Watchwww.youtube.com



seriously... stay on topic or start your own thread.




this is the topic being discussed:


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I'll start this thread with a simple question:

Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people? ref: www.bjs.gov


it would seem that if black lives truly mattered, black people wouldn't be the number one cause of violent crimes against other black people.

what happened to the good old virtue of cleaning your own house before trying to clean another persons mess?
DJ Remix Detroit 9:48 AM - 13 June, 2015
Blacks destroying their own neighborhoods: Watchwww.youtube.com

#blacklivesmatter
DJ Remix Detroit 9:52 AM - 13 June, 2015
where's the magnifying glass when you need it?

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:48 AM - 13 June, 2015
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seriously... stay on topic or start your own thread.


Hole' up...

I thought we WERE staying on topic...

This is "Entertainment" is it not?
AKIEM 7:04 PM - 13 June, 2015
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I know who's voting for THIS guy....

www.detroitnews.com


“Without a doubt it is blacks wanting to kill cops. My advise to all police. When there is any doubt ... shoot!,”

all police?

lol
AKIEM 7:08 PM - 13 June, 2015
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seriously... stay on topic or start your own thread.

Complaints?

This dude is in all types of threads with his anti-black campaign - jeeze

lol

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this is the topic being discussed:


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I'll start this thread with a simple question:

Does it seem very hypocritical that blacks are the main people screaming "Black Lives Matter" yet blacks are the number one cause of violent crime against other black people? ref: www.bjs.gov


it would seem that if black lives truly mattered, black people wouldn't be the number one cause of violent crimes against other black people.

what happened to the good old virtue of cleaning your own house before trying to clean another persons mess?


But isn't the respond to #blacklivesmatter, #alllivesmatter??
RogerRabbit 7:41 PM - 13 June, 2015
Starting to think remix may be the male version of Rachel Dolezal.
AKIEM 7:44 PM - 13 June, 2015
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Starting to think remix may be the male version of Rachel Dolezal.


actually a quite decent hypothesis
AKIEM 7:50 PM - 13 June, 2015
Iowa man charged with murder in Coralville mall shooting

wqad.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really
AKIEM 7:51 PM - 13 June, 2015
Police say Dubuque man admitting to killing his daughter

wqad.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really
AKIEM 8:08 PM - 13 June, 2015
Teen Convicted Of Murdering Mom With Sledgehammer Speaks Out

www.huffingtonpost.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:39 PM - 13 June, 2015
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Iowa man charged with murder in Coralville mall shooting

wqad.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really

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Police say Dubuque man admitting to killing his daughter

wqad.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really

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Teen Convicted Of Murdering Mom With Sledgehammer Speaks Out

www.huffingtonpost.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really



Where are the protests, riots, and excuses?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:00 PM - 13 June, 2015
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Starting to think remix may be the male version of Rachel Dolezal.


actually a quite decent hypothesis


I might have to go with this as well....
DJ Remix Detroit 10:32 PM - 13 June, 2015
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Where are the protests, riots, and excuses?


exactly
DJ Remix Detroit 2:30 AM - 14 June, 2015
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Teen Convicted Of Murdering Mom With Sledgehammer Speaks Out

www.huffingtonpost.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really


lol... Akiem is soooooo torn up... that he has to litter my thread with White on White Crimes instead of starting his own thread about that topic....smh
typical emotional black male...lol

you guys continue to prove my point errrr day!
DJ Remix Detroit 2:30 AM - 14 June, 2015
meanwhile on the soul train:

2015 Chicago death toll reaches 182

www.dnainfo.com
DJ Remix Detroit 2:31 AM - 14 June, 2015
#Blacklivesmatter
AKIEM 3:19 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Teen Convicted Of Murdering Mom With Sledgehammer Speaks Out

www.huffingtonpost.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really


lol... Akiem is soooooo torn up... that he has to litter my thread with White on White Crimes instead of starting his own thread about that topic....smh
typical emotional black male...lol

you guys continue to prove my point errrr day!


LOL - I actually did start a thread about 'White On White Crime' and you do exactly what you are complaining about me doing - you litter it with BOBC posts. You and your friend insisted on changing the convo to BOBC - you did the same in several threads. Its as if it is the only topic you and your boy can even discuss.

But this confirms it is due to your emotionalism. So when you keep posting random acts of black criminality we can now be clear that it is your emotions guiding you.

Thanks for the confirmation.



Now on the other hand, I thought that the response to #blacklivesmatter is #alllivesmatter so I have followed YOUR example and did what you did and respond with random stories. I really didn't know what YOUR logic was in doing so - but now I understand - its your emotions causing it. Just trying to speak your emotional language.


obviously, black people killing other black people simply do not agree with #blacklivesmatter

ur tore up dude - I hope this ridicule helps you out
DJ Remix Detroit 4:32 PM - 14 June, 2015
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LOL - I actually did start a thread about 'White On White Crime' and you do exactly what you are complaining about me doing - you litter it with BOBC posts. You and your friend insisted on changing the convo to BOBC - you did the same in several threads. Its as if it is the only topic you and your boy can even discuss.


ohhhh, so you are playing get backs?... gotcha


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AKIEM 4:37 PM - 14 June, 2015
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LOL - I actually did start a thread about 'White On White Crime' and you do exactly what you are complaining about me doing - you litter it with BOBC posts. You and your friend insisted on changing the convo to BOBC - you did the same in several threads. Its as if it is the only topic you and your boy can even discuss.


ohhhh, so you are playing get backs?... gotcha


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typical emotional black male...lol


Get backs? Not at all. I am simply trying to talk your language.

I knew if I did the same thing you did you would supply me with the answer. You kept randomly posting 'those bad black stories' so I did the same - found out YOU were doing it out of emotion.

Get backs - I don't even see how that could possibly be 'getting you back' - but whatever.
DJ Remix Detroit 4:45 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Akiem is soooooo torn up...



Anyways.... back to the scheduled topic:

Houston Crime Report: Black Crimes On Incline while White Crimes On Decline:www.chron.com

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Between 2002 and 2007, the number of black male juveniles murdered nationally increased by 31 percent and the number of black perpetrators by 43 percent. The increases were even greater, the report said, when guns were used as weapons.


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Those increases came as homicides by and of young white men slowed or declined. In Houston, the number of white offenders dropped by 10 percent. Nationally, FBI statistics showed murder decreased 1.3 percent in 2007 from the previous year.


interesting
AKIEM 4:49 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Iowa man charged with murder in Coralville mall shooting

wqad.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really

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Police say Dubuque man admitting to killing his daughter

wqad.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really

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Teen Convicted Of Murdering Mom With Sledgehammer Speaks Out

www.huffingtonpost.com

#ALLlivesmatter // not really



Where are the protests, riots, and excuses?



Absolutely the same question could be asked about MOST people killed by police. Somewhere around 1000 a year. I don't see a thousand riots.
DJ Remix Detroit 4:50 PM - 14 June, 2015
so again, if #blacklives mattered.... wouldn't you see black crime declining?
DJ Remix Detroit 4:52 PM - 14 June, 2015
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MOST people killed by police. Somewhere around 1000 a year. I don't see a thousand riots.


maybe it has to do with most people being killed by police are white...smh


which would give white people an even bigger reason to act like idiots and riot.... but you still don't see them doing it.


blacks killed by police is such a small percentage compared to the other groups... yet blacks are the only ones acting like retards about the issue.... makes no sense
AKIEM 4:54 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Anyways.... back to the scheduled topic:

Houston Crime Report: Black Crimes On Incline while White Crimes On Decline:www.chron.com

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Between 2002 and 2007, the number of black male juveniles murdered nationally increased by 31 percent and the number of black perpetrators by 43 percent. The increases were even greater, the report said, when guns were used as weapons.


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Those increases came as homicides by and of young white men slowed or declined. In Houston, the number of white offenders dropped by 10 percent. Nationally, FBI statistics showed murder decreased 1.3 percent in 2007 from the previous year.


interesting


Do you have any recent data because thats from a 5 year period 8 years ago.

And well - those FBI statistics...


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so again, if #blacklives mattered.... wouldn't you see black crime declining?


You do realize that #blacklives is a recent hash tag. Did they even do hash tags back then?

Also it is directed towards the authorities in deference, not individuals.
DJ Remix Detroit 4:56 PM - 14 June, 2015
and again, when you compare the number of blacks killed by cops and compare it to the number of blacks killed by other blacks, it's like comparing an ant hill to mt. everest.

which again, makes no damn sense to be rioting/proetesting over...... common sense says that energy should be going towards the bigger problem first.

but you won't see that because that takes black people being honest and taking responsibility for their own actions.... and we all know that's not gonna happen
DJ Remix Detroit 4:59 PM - 14 June, 2015
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You do realize that #blacklives is a recent hash tag. Did they even do hash tags back then?


and that's part of the problem, instead of having balls and getting out there and stopping the number one ailment responsible for destroying black lives.... these idiots would rather hop on twitter and "start a hash tag".... and the hashtag doesn't even address the main problem of whats causing black lives not to matter in the first place
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and again, when you compare the number of blacks killed by cops and compare it to the number of blacks killed by other blacks, it's like comparing an ant hill to mt. everest.

which again, makes no damn sense to be rioting/proetesting over...... common sense says that energy should be going towards the bigger problem first.

but you won't see that because that takes black people being honest and taking responsibility for their own actions.... and we all know that's not gonna happen


Some black people will be honest and will start taking responsibility for their own actions... But then other black people (and some not so black) will hate on them and call them all kinds of names.

nm
DJ Remix Detroit 5:02 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Do you have any recent data


all the FBI stats i've shown supporting my claims all this time? and now you want ask about recent data?...gtfoh


when i post recent data... you dismiss it anyway because it doesn't fit your twisted "pro black" narrative.
DJ Remix Detroit 5:06 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Some black people will be honest and will start taking responsibility for their own actions.


i agree... but as of now... these blacks are the exception not the rule.



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But then other black people (and some not so black) will hate on them and call them all kinds of names.

and this is what you typically see. Examples: Jesse Lee Peterson, Allen West, Charles Barkley, Tommy Sotomayor...etc.

all these people tell the truth about the situations and are chastised and threatened the most by other blacks who disagree with their premise.

you see this all the time.
AKIEM 5:07 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Some black people will be honest and will start taking responsibility for their own actions... But then other black people (and some not so black) will hate on them and call them all kinds of names.

nm


That goes for just about anyone.

Some White people will be honest and will start taking responsibility for their own actions...
Some Mexicans people will be honest and will start taking responsibility for their own actions...



I personally do take responsibility for my OWN actions. I should never have to take responsibility for other individuals actions - regardless



And the "name calling" - if thats about whats transpired on the forum - someone needs to look in the mirror.

I take responsibility for name calling - some people - one in particular - simply can not take what she dishes out.
AKIEM 5:09 PM - 14 June, 2015
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You do realize that #blacklives is a recent hash tag. Did they even do hash tags back then?


and that's part of the problem, instead of having balls and getting out there and stopping the number one ailment responsible for destroying black lives.... these idiots would rather hop on twitter and "start a hash tag".... and the hashtag doesn't even address the main problem of whats causing black lives not to matter in the first place


What do you suggest they do in particular?

And again - indifference to blacks being murdered by WHOEVER - I think that hashtag covers.
 6 5:10 PM - 14 June, 2015
www.yahoo.com

Black lives matter?

nm
AKIEM 5:11 PM - 14 June, 2015
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all the FBI stats i've shown supporting my claims all this time? and now you want ask about recent data?...gtfoh

when i post recent data... you dismiss it anyway because it doesn't fit your twisted "pro black" narrative.


Not at all. However I do understand the data is skewed and shouldn't be used the way its being used.

But that question in particular was about that piece you posted - nothing else.
AKIEM 5:11 PM - 14 June, 2015
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www.yahoo.com

Black lives matter?

nm


lol

nm
DJ Remix Detroit 5:11 PM - 14 June, 2015
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But then other black people (and some not so black) will hate on them and call them all kinds of names.


it goes beyond name calling... people threaten lives , and try to destroy these peoples lives.
Black Radio Show Host Life Threatened By Blacks Because He Said The Texas Cops Arent Racist!

in this scenario, a black man supports the actions of the texas pool party cop.... and guess what?

the majority of people trying to get him fired and threatening his life are other black folks.


why would these black folks try to destroy another black man just for a difference of opinion?

but we all know #blacklivesmatter
DJ Remix Detroit 5:12 PM - 14 June, 2015
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What do you suggest they do in particular?


start tackling the bigger problem
DJ Remix Detroit 5:13 PM - 14 June, 2015
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But then other black people (and some not so black) will hate on them and call them all kinds of names.


it goes beyond name calling... people threaten lives , and try to destroy these peoples lives.
Black Radio Show Host Life Threatened By Blacks Because He Said The Texas Cops Arent Racist!

in this scenario, a black man supports the actions of the texas pool party cop.... and guess what?

the majority of people trying to get him fired and threatening his life are other black folks.


why would these black folks try to destroy another black man just for a difference of opinion?

but we all know #blacklivesmatter


here's the link: Watchwww.youtube.com
 6 5:13 PM - 14 June, 2015
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But then other black people (and some not so black) will hate on them and call them all kinds of names.


it goes beyond name calling... people threaten lives , and try to destroy these peoples lives.
Black Radio Show Host Life Threatened By Blacks Because He Said The Texas Cops Arent Racist!

in this scenario, a black man supports the actions of the texas pool party cop.... and guess what?

the majority of people trying to get him fired and threatening his life are other black folks.


why would these black folks try to destroy another black man just for a difference of opinion?

but we all know #blacklivesmatter


Very true.

nm
AKIEM 5:15 PM - 14 June, 2015
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What do you suggest they do in particular?


start tackling the bigger problem


By bigger do you mean the White On White Crime problem?

lol

cmon - you don't have a better answer?
DJ Remix Detroit 5:16 PM - 14 June, 2015
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www.yahoo.com

Black lives matter?

nm



lol
DJ Remix Detroit 5:17 PM - 14 June, 2015
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By bigger do you mean the White On White Crime problem?


no
AKIEM 5:18 PM - 14 June, 2015
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But then other black people (and some not so black) will hate on them and call them all kinds of names.


it goes beyond name calling... people threaten lives , and try to destroy these peoples lives.
Black Radio Show Host Life Threatened By Blacks Because He Said The Texas Cops Arent Racist!

in this scenario, a black man supports the actions of the texas pool party cop.... and guess what?

the majority of people trying to get him fired and threatening his life are other black folks.


why would these black folks try to destroy another black man just for a difference of opinion?

but we all know #blacklivesmatter



Thats interesting, I read lots of threats against those kids as well. Personally I think thats an internet phenomenon in general.

I even heard someone wish Darren Wilson was there to clean the problem up.
AKIEM 5:18 PM - 14 June, 2015
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no


then what?
DJ Remix Detroit 5:20 PM - 14 June, 2015
blacks be responsible for their own, and stop worrying about what whites are doing.

if you are gonna complain about black lives mattering, then its simple... don't be the number one destroyer of black lives.
DJ Remix Detroit 5:23 PM - 14 June, 2015
even if you factor white folks into the equation, whites kill more whites than any other group, but you don't see them out protesting/rioting, tearing up their own shit when a black person or a black cop for that matter, kills a white person.

you don't see them doing this, because they know it doesn't make any sense.
AKIEM 5:30 PM - 14 June, 2015
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blacks be responsible for their own, and stop worrying about what whites are doing.


I would say everyone (including black people) should be responsible for THEMSELVES. Not what group they supposedly belong to.

Whats wrong with that?

I also think its difficult to not worry about what 'whites' are doing in this country.

But I agree personal responsibility should come first.


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if you are gonna complain about black lives mattering, then its simple... don't be the number one destroyer of black lives.


And again you are mixing the responsibilities of different individual people.

Show me a Black murderer with a #BLM t-shirt on and I will name him as hypocrite number one all day.

Personal Responsibility is about an individual - how can an individual be responsible for the actions of some other individual?

Race does not create some sort of magical 'responsibility link' between individual people.

ridiculous
AKIEM 5:32 PM - 14 June, 2015
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even if you factor white folks into the equation, whites kill more whites than any other group, but you don't see them out protesting/rioting, tearing up their own shit when a black person or a black cop for that matter, kills a white person.

you don't see them doing this, because they know it doesn't make any sense.


I think the reason is there is better redress in those situations. And the media focus of course.


Again EVERYTIME a black person is killed by police there are not all types of riots and so forth. Your theory is incorrect.
DJ Remix Detroit 5:36 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Race does not create some sort of magical 'responsibility link' between individual people.


agreed... so why is there even a #blacklivesmatter in the first place?

i would agree with your premise of #alllivesmatter.... but again it's blacks who chose to group blacks with this #blacklivesmatter... why is that?
DJ Remix Detroit 5:38 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Again EVERYTIME


dude, nobody said anything about EVERYTIME.... this is what I don't understand.

I never say ALL or EVERYTIME, but it's the first thing you guys use as a rebuttal. You guys have a bad habit of arguing stuff that nobody even says. that's retarded.
DJ Remix Detroit 5:43 PM - 14 June, 2015
it's like me saying that white people like to ski.... are you telling me that you seriously think I'm saying every single white person on this planet likes to ski?


you can't use reasoning to determine that the majority of people that participate in skiing are white? so therefore to make a general statement about skiing being a white sport, doesn't mean "ALL"?

you are telling me, you literally need someone to spell it out for you every single time?
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 5:58 PM - 14 June, 2015
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I hope this ridicule helps you out


Actually, that's a corny approach if you ask me..

However, I really think this dude Remix TRUTHFULLY doesn't consider himself black....
DJ Remix Detroit 6:00 PM - 14 June, 2015
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However, I really think this dude Remix TRUTHFULLY doesn't consider himself black....


well JM, that's your opinion... and I can respect your entitlement to your own opinion.
AKIEM 6:00 PM - 14 June, 2015
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agreed... so why is there even a #blacklivesmatter in the first place?


Because there is a measurable difference in the way SOCIETY values 'black lives'

That is whats being addressed. And there are lots of other people who support that cause. In some cities the demonstrations have been mostly white hipsters.

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i would agree with your premise of #alllivesmatter.... but again it's blacks who chose to group blacks with this #blacklivesmatter... why is that?


Its not. It is SOCIETY in general. And authorities specifically. As well as the media. And we all (generally) buy into the construct.

Yes, they could have started a campaign called #alllivesmatter, but there seems to be a DIFFERENCE as if #blacklivesdontmatter to the authorities (in general) which was specifically being addressed. And I think that extends to the authorities indifference to BOBC as well.

"let them kill themselves"


And these same people / people I know who are a part of that movement are ALSO part of movements like Stop The Violence which is NOT directed at authorities - but it gets MUCH less media run to say the least.
Joee 6:01 PM - 14 June, 2015
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However, I really think this dude Remix TRUTHFULLY doesn't consider himself black....


well JM, that's your opinion... and I can respect your entitlement to your own opinion.

lets put this to bed, once & for all
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AKIEM 6:01 PM - 14 June, 2015
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I hope this ridicule helps you out


Actually, that's a corny approach if you ask me..

However, I really think this dude Remix TRUTHFULLY doesn't consider himself black....



LOL - thats his approach - just mocking it.

I think its absurd to come on a DJ forum and ridicule black people who never heard of this forum.
DJ Remix Detroit 6:02 PM - 14 June, 2015
whether or not I consider myself black, it still doesn't take away from the validity of my argument.


if #blacklivesmattter.... then blacks shouldn't be the number one destroyer of other black people.

it's just common sense.
Joee 6:02 PM - 14 June, 2015
damn quote fail

www.23andme.com
AKIEM 6:03 PM - 14 June, 2015
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damn quote fail

www.23andme.com


lol

waiting.
DJ Remix Detroit 6:04 PM - 14 June, 2015
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I think its absurd to come on a DJ forum and ridicule black people who never heard of this forum.


and it's absurd to think a general statement is considered and absolute for each and every person.
 6 6:08 PM - 14 June, 2015
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damn quote fail

www.23andme.com



And one for you Joee

www.free-iqtest.net

nm
AKIEM 6:09 PM - 14 June, 2015
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whether or not I consider myself black, it still doesn't take away from the validity of my argument.


if #blacklivesmattter.... then blacks shouldn't be the number one destroyer of other black people.

it's just common sense.


What passes for common sense in this country is absolute delusion.

You assume the person killing another black person believes #blacklivesmattter in the first place (by magic). They obviously do not.

Simply recognizing that simple truth voids your whole argument which seems to be based on some type of 'single black mind'
AKIEM 6:11 PM - 14 June, 2015
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damn quote fail

www.23andme.com



And one for you Joee

www.free-iqtest.net

nm



LOL - yup let the insult game begin (er continue) - LOL

smh - at complaining about insults
DJ Remix Detroit 6:11 PM - 14 June, 2015
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What passes for common sense in this country is absolute delusion.


anomaly
AKIEM 6:12 PM - 14 June, 2015
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I think its absurd to come on a DJ forum and ridicule black people who never heard of this forum.


and it's absurd to think a general statement is considered and absolute for each and every person.


I dont. A general statement can cover every single person tho. Guess it depends on context.
DJ Remix Detroit 6:12 PM - 14 June, 2015
Well since you guys are here... Akiem, JM check this out:

serato.com
Joee 6:29 PM - 14 June, 2015
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damn quote fail

www.23andme.com



And one for you Joee

www.free-iqtest.net

nm

well sh!t since we all taking test here one for 6

365tests.com
DJ Remix Detroit 6:31 PM - 14 June, 2015
Joee, you interested? serato.com
 6 6:32 PM - 14 June, 2015
You know. I think Joee* should also take that DNA test. Retardation is also linked to incest.

nm
AKIEM 7:00 PM - 14 June, 2015
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You know. I think Joee* should also take that DNA test. Retardation is also linked to incest.

nm


Be careful Joee, his one can't take what she dishes.

lol

nm
Joee 7:15 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Be careful Joee, his one can't take what she dishes.

lol

nm

one not being able to take the same that one dishes out is a sure sign of a female trait/tendency
AKIEM 7:47 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Be careful Joee, this one can't take what she dishes.

lol

nm

one not being able to take the same that one dishes out is a sure sign of a female trait/tendency


Yup,

You know, words is words...

But this one here def let her emotions control. She is the only one to ever pull some little petty revenge type shit outside the public forum.

LOL - bitches I tells ya - LOL
 6 8:11 PM - 14 June, 2015
I see girlies are still trying to get noticed. lmao

typical females needing attention I tell ya

;)

nm
 6 8:13 PM - 14 June, 2015
I remember back in high school, I used to see girls trying to get into any altercations they could where they didn't belong.

Shit. Forget high school. I see that shit in the club all weekend long.

This forum is the new club. AoKim's are everywhere and I'm not talking behind the DJ booth.

;)

nm
AKIEM 8:16 PM - 14 June, 2015
Decent argument all morning. Notice where the thread goes when the chix shows up.
 6 8:22 PM - 14 June, 2015
Funny thing is I've been in this argument since yesterday and Joee* showed up today.

Yeah. Damn girls I tell ya.

hahaha


nm
 6 8:23 PM - 14 June, 2015
Anyway. I'll leave you girls alone.

Time for church. The Lord needs me.


:-P

nm
Joee 8:38 PM - 14 June, 2015
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Anyway. I'll leave you girls alone.

Time for church. The Lord needs me.


:-P

nm

the lord doesn't want you….. your going to HELL

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Funny thing is I've been in this argument since yesterday and Joee* showed up today.

Yeah. Damn girls I tell ya.

hahaha


nm

right i showed up & suggested a ancestry/DNA test www.23andme.com as remix said he wasn't sure about his ancestry, or something to that effect

from there you took off, no surprise it's your usual "Chix" behavior……….

P.S

don't forget your sunday church hat "Chix" aka "Carnala" www.alisfashion.com
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:08 PM - 14 June, 2015
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However, I really think this dude Remix TRUTHFULLY doesn't consider himself black....


well JM, that's your opinion... and I can respect your entitlement to your own opinion.


But see, now this brings into consideration your ethnicity and whether or not you should be lumped in with "Non-Blacks" who don't really understand the issue.

For all intensive purposes, you could REALLY be some "Non Black" Mid Westerner or something who doesn't like Blacks PERIOD.

If you hadn't identified yourself as "Black" on this board, we would have thought you were just a regular hater...

But the truth of the matter is that you most likely don't consider yourself BLACK like Rachel Dolezal doesn't consider herself WHITE.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:11 PM - 14 June, 2015
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I think its absurd to come on a DJ forum and ridicule black people who never heard of this forum.


Dude, apparently this is the Universal Free For All Forum for Discussions of Any Nature...

You didn't realize we were the NUMBER ONE Google hit for giving advice on how to pass a Drug Test?

I can't wait to see what other great topics we're experts at.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:15 PM - 14 June, 2015
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'whether or not I consider myself black, it still doesn't take away from the validity of my argument.


Boom there it is...

You don't even consider yourself black...

lol...

You don't REALLY care about the plight of Black folk, you'd rather come on here and bash them, and put up skewed numbers....

Wow...

Foiled again..

Remix, that was a good one man...

You had us (or at LEAST me) FOOLED...

You might as well be WHITE saying this, and if we took you as WHITE, nobody would be paying attention to you....

smh.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 10:16 PM - 14 June, 2015
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whether or not I consider myself black, it still doesn't take away from the validity of my argument.

if #blacklivesmattter.... then blacks shouldn't be the number one destroyer of other black people.

it's just common sense.


What passes for common sense in this country is absolute delusion.

You assume the person killing another black person believes #blacklivesmattter in the first place (by magic). They obviously do not.

Simply recognizing that simple truth voids your whole argument which seems to be based on some type of 'single black mind'


Dude, you're debating with a "Non Black" about "Black" matters.....
AKIEM 1:22 AM - 15 June, 2015
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whether or not I consider myself black, it still doesn't take away from the validity of my argument.

if #blacklivesmattter.... then blacks shouldn't be the number one destroyer of other black people.

it's just common sense.


What passes for common sense in this country is absolute delusion.

You assume the person killing another black person believes #blacklivesmattter in the first place (by magic). They obviously do not.

Simply recognizing that simple truth voids your whole argument which seems to be based on some type of 'single black mind'


Dude, you're debating with a "Non Black" about "Black" matters.....


I do find it odd that a dude claims to be "black" based solely on complexion which is lighter than a Spaniard.

And I would normally just accept... But.... I mean he was even rolling with that "you people".

Whatever bezzle is, thats what he is to me...
DJ Remix Detroit 1:24 AM - 15 June, 2015
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he was even rolling with that "you people".


you people, as in people who agree with your views.... not "you people" as in black people
AKIEM 1:25 AM - 15 June, 2015
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he was even rolling with that "you people".


you people, as in people who agree with your views.... not "you people" as in black people


I dont believe you.
DJ Remix Detroit 1:29 AM - 15 June, 2015
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I dont believe you.


and i give a shit because???
AKIEM 1:33 AM - 15 June, 2015
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I dont believe you.


and i give a shit because???


Because you bothered to answer.
DJ Remix Detroit 1:42 AM - 15 June, 2015
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I dont believe you.


and i give a shit because???


Because you bothered to answer.


answering doesn't mean i give a shit whether you believe me or not....

now if I was trying to convince you to believe me, then you might have a point.
AKIEM 1:44 AM - 15 June, 2015
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I dont believe you.


and i give a shit because???


Because you bothered to answer.


answering doesn't mean i give a shit whether you believe me or not....

now if I was trying to convince you to believe me, then you might have a point.


I dont believe you.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 2:06 AM - 15 June, 2015
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I dont believe you.


and i give a shit because???


lol..

Now THAT was funny....
DJ Remix Detroit 3:19 AM - 15 June, 2015
BLACK Father killed, and son shot in hand By another BLACK male
www.clickondetroit.com

#blacklivesmatter
DJ Remix Detroit 3:20 AM - 15 June, 2015
^follow up report: www.clickondetroit.com

#blacklivesmatter
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:56 PM - 15 June, 2015
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blacks be responsible for their own, and stop worrying about what whites are doing.


I would say everyone (including black people) should be responsible for THEMSELVES. Not what group they supposedly belong to.

Whats wrong with that?

I also think its difficult to not worry about what 'whites' are doing in this country.

But I agree personal responsibility should come first.


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if you are gonna complain about black lives mattering, then its simple... don't be the number one destroyer of black lives.


And again you are mixing the responsibilities of different individual people.

Show me a Black murderer with a #BLM t-shirt on and I will name him as hypocrite number one all day.

Personal Responsibility is about an individual - how can an individual be responsible for the actions of some other individual?

Race does not create some sort of magical 'responsibility link' between individual people.

ridiculous



Hey, there ya go. You finally used hypocrite in the proper fashion! Way to go, gold star for you!
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:57 PM - 15 June, 2015
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I dont believe you.


and i give a shit because???


Because you bothered to answer.

If thats true then you give a shit about a whooooole bunch of dumb shit.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:04 PM - 15 June, 2015
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And I think that extends to the authorities indifference to BOBC as well.

"let them kill themselves"


.



That should tell you where the real problem is. When you have a slogan like black lives matter, which according to johnny, is to battle police killing blacks, yet those same police are content with not even having to do anything because of the rate they are doing it themselves.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:07 PM - 15 June, 2015
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it's absurd to think a general statement is considered and absolute for each and every person.


I dont. A general statement can cover every single person tho.


........How are you going to say you dont believe that then directly follow up that statement with a sentence describing how you do. I mean you post literally only had 2 sentences and you managed to contradict yourself
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:08 PM - 15 June, 2015
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Be careful Joee, his one can't take what she dishes.

lol

nm

one not being able to take the same that one dishes out is a sure sign of a female trait/tendency

That's an ignorant, sexist remark Joee. Why do you hate women?
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:10 PM - 15 June, 2015
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Anyway. I'll leave you girls alone.

Time for church. The Lord needs me.


:-P

nm

the lord doesn't want you….. your going to HELL

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Funny thing is I've been in this argument since yesterday and Joee* showed up today.

Yeah. Damn girls I tell ya.

hahaha


nm

right i showed up & suggested a ancestry/DNA test www.23andme.com as remix said he wasn't sure about his ancestry, or something to that effect

from there you took off, no surprise it's your usual "Chix" behavior……….

P.S

don't forget your sunday church hat "Chix" aka "Carnala" www.alisfashion.com



....and that was racist.
AKIEM 3:27 PM - 15 June, 2015
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blacks be responsible for their own, and stop worrying about what whites are doing.


I would say everyone (including black people) should be responsible for THEMSELVES. Not what group they supposedly belong to.

Whats wrong with that?

I also think its difficult to not worry about what 'whites' are doing in this country.

But I agree personal responsibility should come first.


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if you are gonna complain about black lives mattering, then its simple... don't be the number one destroyer of black lives.


And again you are mixing the responsibilities of different individual people.

Show me a Black murderer with a #BLM t-shirt on and I will name him as hypocrite number one all day.

Personal Responsibility is about an individual - how can an individual be responsible for the actions of some other individual?

Race does not create some sort of magical 'responsibility link' between individual people.

ridiculous



Hey, there ya go. You finally used hypocrite in the proper fashion! Way to go, gold star for you!


Duh - thats because all the scenarios YOU keep coming up with dont apply. I have to gibe you a proper scenario for the word to be used. Because you and your friend are actually applying it incorrectly.
AKIEM 3:28 PM - 15 June, 2015
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Be careful Joee, his one can't take what she dishes.

lol

nm

one not being able to take the same that one dishes out is a sure sign of a female trait/tendency

That's an ignorant, sexist remark Joee. Why do you hate women?



Everyone on this board seems to be sexist.
AKIEM 3:31 PM - 15 June, 2015
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it's absurd to think a general statement is considered and absolute for each and every person.


I dont. A general statement can cover every single person tho.


........How are you going to say you dont believe that then directly follow up that statement with a sentence describing how you do. I mean you post literally only had 2 sentences and you managed to contradict yourself



Do tou know what the word "can" means?


I guess thats not as bad as remix having so much trouble with the word "A"

LOL
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:55 PM - 15 June, 2015
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blacks be responsible for their own, and stop worrying about what whites are doing.


I would say everyone (including black people) should be responsible for THEMSELVES. Not what group they supposedly belong to.

Whats wrong with that?

I also think its difficult to not worry about what 'whites' are doing in this country.

But I agree personal responsibility should come first.


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if you are gonna complain about black lives mattering, then its simple... don't be the number one destroyer of black lives.


And again you are mixing the responsibilities of different individual people.

Show me a Black murderer with a #BLM t-shirt on and I will name him as hypocrite number one all day.

Personal Responsibility is about an individual - how can an individual be responsible for the actions of some other individual?

Race does not create some sort of magical 'responsibility link' between individual people.

ridiculous



Hey, there ya go. You finally used hypocrite in the proper fashion! Way to go, gold star for you!


Duh - thats because all the scenarios YOU keep coming up with dont apply. I have to gibe you a proper scenario for the word to be used. Because you and your friend are actually applying it incorrectly.


Really? Because you just repeated a scenario thats already been proposed lol. LMFAO at claiming im wrong then copying what I said as the right answer.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:56 PM - 15 June, 2015
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it's absurd to think a general statement is considered and absolute for each and every person.


I dont. A general statement can cover every single person tho.


........How are you going to say you dont believe that then directly follow up that statement with a sentence describing how you do. I mean you post literally only had 2 sentences and you managed to contradict yourself



Do tou know what the word "can" means?



Sure, it means YOU DO!
AKIEM 4:04 PM - 15 June, 2015
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it's absurd to think a general statement is considered and absolute for each and every person.


I dont. A general statement can cover every single person tho.


........How are you going to say you dont believe that then directly follow up that statement with a sentence describing how you do. I mean you post literally only had 2 sentences and you managed to contradict yourself



Do tou know what the word "can" means?
Sure, it means YOU DO!



Not following you there, thought you would mention a metal container tho - oh well
AKIEM 4:04 PM - 15 June, 2015
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blacks be responsible for their own, and stop worrying about what whites are doing.


I would say everyone (including black people) should be responsible for THEMSELVES. Not what group they supposedly belong to.

Whats wrong with that?

I also think its difficult to not worry about what 'whites' are doing in this country.

But I agree personal responsibility should come first.


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if you are gonna complain about black lives mattering, then its simple... don't be the number one destroyer of black lives.


And again you are mixing the responsibilities of different individual people.

Show me a Black murderer with a #BLM t-shirt on and I will name him as hypocrite number one all day.

Personal Responsibility is about an individual - how can an individual be responsible for the actions of some other individual?

Race does not create some sort of magical 'responsibility link' between individual people.

ridiculous



Hey, there ya go. You finally used hypocrite in the proper fashion! Way to go, gold star for you!


Duh - thats because all the scenarios YOU keep coming up with dont apply. I have to gibe you a proper scenario for the word to be used. Because you and your friend are actually applying it incorrectly.


Really? Because you just repeated a scenario thats already been proposed lol. LMFAO at claiming im wrong then copying what I said as the right answer.


Which one was that?
Joee 4:13 PM - 15 June, 2015
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....and that was racist.

thats your opinion ……but let me assure you i'm far from a racist….

I've already told you all the nationalities i have in my family

not to mention my great grandfather was black…..

i'm probably more black than remix…..even with my white skin
AKIEM 4:32 PM - 15 June, 2015
Lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:32 PM - 15 June, 2015
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....and that was racist.

thats your opinion ……but let me assure you i'm far from a racist….


Typical thing for a racist to say


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I've already told you all the nationalities i have in my family

not to mention my great grandfather was black…..




So, Remix IS black and hes more racist as fuck lol
Joee 4:37 PM - 15 June, 2015
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Typical thing for a racist to say

i won't sit here arguing with you all day about it, rest assured i DO NOT LIKE raciest people

when i was young i was the only puerto rican in a all white catholic school, i experience racist people every day…..had to even smack a few
AKIEM 5:40 PM - 15 June, 2015
It's absurd to think a general statement should be considered an absolute for each and every person in said group.

I dont.

However, a general statement can cover every single person in the right context.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:42 PM - 15 June, 2015
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It's absurd to think a general statement should be considered an absolute for each and every person in said group.

I dont.

However, a general statement can cover every single person in the right context.

So you do
AKIEM 5:50 PM - 15 June, 2015
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It's absurd to think a general statement should be considered an absolute for each and every person in said group.

I dont.

However, a general statement can cover every single person in the right context.

So you do


Again, you dont understand the meaning of the word "can".

It is POSSIBLE depending on the context.

RIF in this mf.
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:09 PM - 15 June, 2015
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So, Remix IS black and hes more racist as fuck lol


I'm trying MY BEST to not want to believe it.....


























that he's black.......




















LMAO!
DJJOHNNYM_vSL3 6:09 PM - 15 June, 2015
No really,

So Remix, would it be safe to say you don't have ANYTHING positive to say about the Black race?
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:45 PM - 15 June, 2015
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It's absurd to think a general statement should be considered an absolute for each and every person in said group.

I dont.

However, a general statement can cover every single person in the right context.

So you do


Again, you dont understand the meaning of the word "can".

It is POSSIBLE depending on the context.

RIF in this mf.

So, you're saying its POSSIBLE....that YOU DO
AKIEM 7:03 PM - 15 June, 2015
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It's absurd to think a general statement should be considered an absolute for each and every person in said group.

I dont.

However, a general statement can cover every single person in the right context.

So you do


Again, you dont understand the meaning of the word "can".

It is POSSIBLE depen