Serato DJ Pro General Discussion

Talk about Serato DJ Pro, expansion packs and supported hardware

SDJ 1.5 its here so what do you think?

dj lashes 5:45 AM - 1 October, 2013
Mr. Goodkat 6:04 AM - 1 October, 2013
bam. the cv isnt out yet right?
DJ freestylefrenzy 7:16 AM - 1 October, 2013
just downloaded it and had a try with the vci 380..so far looks are different..history is blued and the saved loops are gone from the facial interface

Ill give it a more proper run through later
silvercue 10:28 AM - 1 October, 2013
reading the release notes there seems no point in updating to this for me.

I use a supported controller and none of the bug fixes relate to my hardware, so unless I specifically want played tracks in blue - is there any other point in getting this?

Are we out of support if we run old versions?
clearblu 11:40 AM - 1 October, 2013
+1 Silvercue, I don't see the point of bringing an update out if it doesn't address the outstanding problems with supported controllers. Rolling out more supported controllers are just going to increase problems and put existing bugs/issues at the back of the queue.Starting to lose faith here
Serato, Support
Martin C 12:09 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Are we out of support if we run old versions?


You will still get assistance from the support team if you need help, but if you do run into an issue and they need you to update just to confirm that the issue still happens, it will help in terms of logging issues etc. But thats only if that situation occurs, otherwise its totally cool if you want to stick on 1.3. Thats why we keep the downloads archive available, unlike some other software companies.

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Rolling out more supported controllers are just going to increase problems and put existing bugs/issues at the back of the queue.Starting to lose faith here


Its easy to be mad if there is nothing in it that benefits you personally, but some other people have been waiting for the features in 1.5 for a long time. If you use a controller, you have been able to use Serato DJ for a while now, but if you are someone that owns a Rane soundcard or mixer that has planned support, Serato DJ 1.5 is a step in the right direction to what is basically your "next" update of Scratch Live.

Plus, there are mapping changes and bug fixes that will benefit some people, and of course the new hardware may interest some existing and new customers.

What exactly are you personally waiting on? You never know what might be in store for you with the next version.
phatbob 12:24 PM - 1 October, 2013
Considering the noise the community made about the 'played tracks' colour, I'd say this release is massive!

The blue looks WAY better to me, just playing with the offline player today.

That's enough for me to upgrade on my gig laptop.
silvercue 12:40 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Considering the noise the community made about the 'played tracks' colour, I'd say this release is massive!

The blue looks WAY better to me, just playing with the offline player today.

That's enough for me to upgrade on my gig laptop.


Man - you've talked me into it! It will look nice :)
fadda jungle 12:41 PM - 1 October, 2013
Did serato fix the mic recording problem. can we now record with an external device
Serato, Support
Martin C 12:43 PM - 1 October, 2013
Sorry fadda jungle, you won't be able to record external devices just yet..its on its way though, please be patient for a bit longer!
fadda jungle 12:44 PM - 1 October, 2013
Thank you
clearblu 12:48 PM - 1 October, 2013
Appreciate the reply Martin see the Twitch threads. Yes I'm miffed as there was only one problem that needed attention and that has been well reported by all Twitch users and that is the pitch bend/nudge resolution.Its a massive problem as Twitch has no jogwheels so any adjustments is via the touchstrip,perfect overlays are virtually impossible as is rescuing two drifting tracks as the slightest movement moves the track 500 m/s or so. Its such a major part of mixing it renders sdj useless. No company has ever brought an firmware update or software update that changes the behavior of a jogwheel response or amount each increment does. If Pioneer did it with the cdj range there would be murder. Itch was perfect in this area (one of the reasons I switched) Just copy the personality/code from Itch and apply it to Sdj or at least give the option to adjust it
Serato, Support
Martin C 12:54 PM - 1 October, 2013
Aah ok thanks for explaining. So just to clarify its the touchstrip that doesn't work as well, or the pitch rotaries? Its something we can try and look into for the next release perhaps, but I can't promise it.
clearblu 1:15 PM - 1 October, 2013
The response from the touchstrip I.e. swiping the touchstrip to bend the track to create a perfect overlay between the two tracks. It moves a massive amount within the waveform and you are now completely unable to make tiny adjustments for a perfect overlay,Think 'Kissing the rim' with a jogwheel or a 1210
The settings are there in Itch just need applying to the Twitch mapping within Sdj. At present it can't be used professionally.
dj lashes 3:51 PM - 1 October, 2013
My 2cent!!
1st.. the played tracks being blue is a BIG THANK YOU really dont know why it took so long but as my mother used to say better late that never... ohh and if you dont like the blue you have the option to change it back to gray.. so now i ask myself why not add many others so we can pick the one that best for us?

2nd.. for me it looks alot cleaner less mess and am happy to see the track over view above each deck (so thats one more thank you)

3rd.. Snap to Beatgrid so when i 1st heard about this i was thinking it was gonna be like that time when Snap to Beatgrid came up in one of the ITCH betas where the loaded track would Snap to Beatgrid on load which was great when speed mixing or massup so i must say i was not happy to see "Snap to Beatgrid for Simple Sync options"..

Tonight am on the radio and then after playing at a club where ill take it for a real test run but so far in the house seems to be working fine...
Davideon 4:10 PM - 1 October, 2013
Not that I care as I use a MBP, but the lack of windows 8 support is getting ridiculous. Anyone know where to buy a new pc which doesn't come with windows 8?
Joee 6:46 PM - 1 October, 2013
so far all is good here ;)
Davmix 7:54 PM - 1 October, 2013
all is ok on windows 8.
Mr. Goodkat 7:56 PM - 1 October, 2013
so right now vinyl or cd control will work but only with the rane or pioneer mixers?
deejdave 8:08 PM - 1 October, 2013
Not true at all!! I just used my CDJ-2000 Nexus's with my DDJ-SX and they work great!!
jprime 8:10 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Aah ok thanks for explaining. So just to clarify its the touchstrip that doesn't work as well, or the pitch rotaries? Its something we can try and look into for the next release perhaps, but I can't promise it.


I used my Twitch last weekend with SDJ and didn't experience this issue...nudging was just fine :S
DJ Sidies 8:36 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Not true at all!! I just used my CDJ-2000 Nexus's with my DDJ-SX and they work great!!


Did the CDJS work as in control serato dj?
sasa1981 8:40 PM - 1 October, 2013
Did they fix big library issue
DJ Sidies 8:43 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Not true at all!! I just used my CDJ-2000 Nexus's with my DDJ-SX and they work great!!


Please up load a quick video
nik39 8:53 PM - 1 October, 2013
dj lashes,

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2nd.. for me it looks alot cleaner less mess and am happy to see the track over view above each deck (so thats one more thank you)

Which view are you using? Horizontal or vertical?
deejdave 8:55 PM - 1 October, 2013
Yes they work 100% in controlling. Its really not hard to do for a need for video. You simply plug them in and connect your ddj-sx. Then you select the cdj-s just like in SSL. They seem a LOT tighter than SSL though. VAST improvement!!!
deejdave 8:59 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Did they fix big library issue


I have 85,000 tracks with no issue. Then again I never did have an issue. I do admitedly have a far superior organization system than most though. I get to see about 1-2 libraries of different DJ's every day. As a matter of fact I made somewhat of a small business fixing peopes library issues with SSL, Traktor, & Rekordbox. I can pretty much say without debate it ONLY happens to people who have no real organization or poor organization at the least. It also seems almost twice as likely to happen with people using internal HDD's.
gullum 9:00 PM - 1 October, 2013
I still don't get why you need to be in offline mode to analyze songs. I don't want to turno of or disconnect my DDJ SX if I need to analyze 10 -20 new song I just purchased
DJ Quartz 9:00 PM - 1 October, 2013
Anyone thinking of using an SL-2 with their 57SL to get by for now?
deejdave 9:01 PM - 1 October, 2013
In terms of the large library issue it also seems to be an issue not so much of quantity but routing or paths. If there are too many folders or sub-folders or even crates or sub-crates it seems to bring the issue on more than file quantity itself.
deejdave 9:04 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Anyone thinking of using an SL-2 with their 57SL to get by for now?


This is NOT even possible now so who could?
deejdave 9:06 PM - 1 October, 2013
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I still don't get why you need to be in offline mode to analyze songs. I don't want to turno of or disconnect my DDJ SX if I need to analyze 10 -20 new song I just purchased


The program itself puts a big load on your processor. Also issues come up pretty often when analyzing songs. You find out if you have any corrupt files while analyzing so WHY would you want to be finding this out by running a corrupted file through SDJ WHILE PERFORMING??? This seems like the worst idea ever.................... to ME.
Nick Sheldon 9:09 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Sorry fadda jungle, you won't be able to record external devices just yet..its on its way though, please be patient for a bit longer!


This is the best news yet for me. I have to keep using itch if i'm ripping my vinyl or if anyone does a b2b by plugging their controller into mine.

This can't come soon enough.
gullum 9:10 PM - 1 October, 2013
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The program itself puts a big load on your processor. Also issues come up pretty often when analyzing songs. You find out if you have any corrupt files while analyzing so WHY would you want to be finding this out by running a corrupted file through SDJ WHILE PERFORMING??? This seems like the worst idea ever.................... to ME.

I'm not talking about doing it during a gig but adding a few tracks to your library while you prepare for a gig still at home. No need to turn of the controller just to get 10 songs analyzed.
WarpNote 9:10 PM - 1 October, 2013
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I still don't get why you need to be in offline mode to analyze songs. I don't want to turno of or disconnect my DDJ SX if I need to analyze 10 -20 new song I just purchased
So your machine won´t take a cr@p while you DJ, corrupt your library and make you look stupid, thats why ;) The overview builder will use all of your available CPU, and that´s a good thing, if you need to buy tracks after the gig starts, you need more prep time...
deejdave 9:12 PM - 1 October, 2013
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The program itself puts a big load on your processor. Also issues come up pretty often when analyzing songs. You find out if you have any corrupt files while analyzing so WHY would you want to be finding this out by running a corrupted file through SDJ WHILE PERFORMING??? This seems like the worst idea ever.................... to ME.

I'm not talking about doing it during a gig but adding a few tracks to your library while you prepare for a gig still at home. No need to turn of the controller just to get 10 songs analyzed.


Yeah you think NO ONE would try to do this during a gig. Then whet it crashes GUESS who gets blamed then..................... Serato!!
deejdave 9:14 PM - 1 October, 2013
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The program itself puts a big load on your processor. Also issues come up pretty often when analyzing songs. You find out if you have any corrupt files while analyzing so WHY would you want to be finding this out by running a corrupted file through SDJ WHILE PERFORMING??? This seems like the worst idea ever.................... to ME.

I'm not talking about doing it during a gig but adding a few tracks to your library while you prepare for a gig still at home. No need to turn of the controller just to get 10 songs analyzed.



The system is in place to more or less save some people from themselves (hint hint).
gullum 9:19 PM - 1 October, 2013
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The system is in place to more or less save some people from themselves (hint hint).

I can see that could be a problem for many if the option was there :D
TxDjCovert 10:09 PM - 1 October, 2013
ugh BLAH! Lets add new stuff before we fix outstanding problems! Typical Serato. Starting to feel like I should look around.
serkan 10:11 PM - 1 October, 2013
What do I think?
Well, save yourself lots of frustration and stick to 1.3.0!

I have played less than 30 minutes so far and I think it really sucks.

3 crashes out of nowhere:
- One while loading a track with the other deck playing
- One while scrolling the library with two tracks playing
- One during playback of one deck while doing nothing else

1 audio dropout where the waveform was empty. It looked like a damaged AAC file in the first place but after reloading the track into the deck again everything was fine.

The deck views in horizontal and vertical modes are messed up. The vertical view has the overviews in the wrong place while in horizontal view the tempo matching display is gone.

Who makes such bad design decisions like blue played tracks + blue selection bar? It seriously hurts the eyes! I'm for a third and fourth option: green and red. Grey was crap in the first place (I don't believe anyone loved it).

The idea of having 8 cue points visible with the option to split between cues and loops was one of the less good design changes with Serato DJ. Now it's gone and we have scroll bars? I want to use the trackpad as less - not as much as possible!

The white lines at left and right of the virtual decks makes no sense? Are there really people who are not able to see if the track progress marker in the edge is at 90 or 270 degrees?

I may find much more poor design decisions and issues if I played for another 30 minutes but I need a break from that crap right now.

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Sorry guys but I'm really pissed with 1.5.0 and especially the fact that there has not been a single public beta testing since the introduction of SDJ. Remember the days you had multiple betas and release candidates with lots and loads of bugs but the software was rock solid at the final release. Now we get the first messed up beta to deal with.

Who makes such decisions at Serato? And why?
serkan 10:13 PM - 1 October, 2013
Some may ask why I don't open a thread in the help section.
What should I report? Turn 1.5.0 up and wait for any random crash?
hologram 10:23 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Anyone thinking of using an SL-2 with their 57SL to get by for now?


done already
SL4 and a Pioneer DJ-S1 and you have a sixty two with better pads.
Rene Hedemyr 10:27 PM - 1 October, 2013
Serkan, I agree with everything you wrote. 1.5.0 is a bad bad update.
The GUI is totaly messed up.

Coming from Itch I'm really used to the Tempo matching display in horizontal view, and now it's gone!!!!!

I play music from the 70ies and 80ies mostly soul and funk, and it's really the Tempo matching display is really a big reason that i used Itch and now Serato DJ. I don't use the sync button to mix, I use the visual aid from Tempo matching display and the Beat matching display not using any headphones once I start mixing and now that feature is gone in the horizontal display... Why!

I had hope for the Tempo matching display in Extended view also, but now only in vertical view...

I've re-installed 1.3.0 and will wait until Serato make it right again.

Why make it worse when you can better...?
hologram 10:27 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Anyone thinking of using an SL-2 with their 57SL to get by for now?


done already
SL4 and a Pioneer DJ-S1 and you have a sixty two with better pads.


Before someone comes unglued....
Yes you lose all the controls on the 57. It becomes a 56 basically. but for less than 800 bucks it's a nice upgrade.

I already had two SL4s in the rental group so one is on my dj800 and the other just became home on the 57 for now
hologram 11:18 PM - 1 October, 2013
Above is is with SL not Serato Dj yet. I just have SL4s not SP1s yet.
pdidy 11:20 PM - 1 October, 2013
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The program itself puts a big load on your processor. Also issues come up pretty often when analyzing songs. You find out if you have any corrupt files while analyzing so WHY would you want to be finding this out by running a corrupted file through SDJ WHILE PERFORMING??? This seems like the worst idea ever.................... to ME.

I'm not talking about doing it during a gig but adding a few tracks to your library while you prepare for a gig still at home. No need to turn of the controller just to get 10 songs analyzed.



The system is in place to more or less save some people from themselves (hint hint).

Man, could you imagine all the help requests for system crashes during live gigs blamed on serato ...smh......"save some people from themselves"..... true story.
Apparently gullum didn't think this through fully.....
Christ beats I. 11:20 PM - 1 October, 2013
Still running the VCI-300mk2 with it and works fine....no complaints....although I do think a magnified image of your library when needed at the press of a button as in Traktor would be a plus for many, many people. No I don't think Traktor is better, in fact not at all. The effects are far better in SDJ, they have much more presence.
serkan 11:27 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Still running the VCI-300mk2 with it and works fine....no complaints....although I do think a magnified image of your library when needed at the press of a button as in Traktor would be a plus for many, many people. No I don't think Traktor is better, in fact not at all. The effects are far better in SDJ, they have much more presence.

I don't know how it works in Traktor but it seems that the press of the space bar on your keyboard comes close to what I understood here.
pdidy 11:29 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Some may ask why I don't open a thread in the help section.
What should I report? Turn 1.5.0 up and wait for any random crash?

No way this happen on a MAC ? Right ?
nik39 11:30 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Some may ask why I don't open a thread in the help section.
What should I report? Turn 1.5.0 up and wait for any random crash?

No way this happen on a MAC ? Right ?

lol, hell has frozen for Diddy ;)
DJ Quartz 11:32 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Before someone comes unglued....
Yes you lose all the controls on the 57. It becomes a 56 basically. but for less than 800 bucks it's a nice upgrade.

I already had two SL4s in the rental group so one is on my dj800 and the other just became home on the 57 for now


See this to me is pointless. If the can allow us to connect the 57SL in 'control mode' only an add-on a SL2/SL3/SL4. This makes sense.

Otherwise, there is no real point in me adding an interface to lose all control capabilities on the 57 with SDJ.

I might as well just trade everything in for a 62.
serkan 11:41 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Some may ask why I don't open a thread in the help section.
What should I report? Turn 1.5.0 up and wait for any random crash?

No way this happen on a MAC ? Right ?

MacBook Pro 13"
OS X 10.8.5
serkan 11:41 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Some may ask why I don't open a thread in the help section.
What should I report? Turn 1.5.0 up and wait for any random crash?

No way this happen on a MAC ? Right ?

lol, hell has frozen for Diddy ;)

:)
pdidy 11:49 PM - 1 October, 2013
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Some may ask why I don't open a thread in the help section.
What should I report? Turn 1.5.0 up and wait for any random crash?

No way this happen on a MAC ? Right ?

lol, hell has frozen for Diddy ;)

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MacBook Pro 13"
OS X 10.8.5

Hell naaa, I claim gross negligence by said user.....lol
Joee 12:06 AM - 2 October, 2013
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Some may ask why I don't open a thread in the help section.
What should I report? Turn 1.5.0 up and wait for any random crash?

No way this happen on a MAC ? Right ?

lol, hell has frozen for Diddy ;)

:)

is the 13inch a core 2 dual or the newer i5/i7 processor
Serato, Support
Martin C 12:18 AM - 2 October, 2013
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Some may ask why I don't open a thread in the help section.
What should I report? Turn 1.5.0 up and wait for any random crash?


Yes you should, because we can try and log the issues and crash reports so they may be resolved. The support guys can try and troubleshoot with you to see if its reproducible.

How will we resolve your issues if you don't report it? You should really know better Serkan.
haze324 12:22 AM - 2 October, 2013
played on an NS6 for about 30 minutes with no system issues.

Layout Issues:

1. Track and especially artist name in the virtual deck seem much smaller than in SSL
2. Overviews should be next to the waveforms as in SSL
3. Vertical in SSL has longer waves, these seem smaller/shorter in comparison
Serato, Support
Martin C 12:26 AM - 2 October, 2013
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The response from the touchstrip I.e. swiping the touchstrip to bend the track to create a perfect overlay between the two tracks. It moves a massive amount within the waveform and you are now completely unable to make tiny adjustments for a perfect overlay


I played around to compare with ITCH and Serato DJ and I didn't think there was much difference with the touchstrips. Seems like some people actually prefer how they operate in Serato DJ. Can you link me to some of the discussions where people are having problems with the touchstrips?
North-Rider 12:30 AM - 2 October, 2013
is the ability to change the color of the cue point no longer available?
nik39 12:34 AM - 2 October, 2013
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is the ability to change the color of the cue point no longer available?

ctrl/cmd + click on the triangle to play that cue = this will open the box with the colors
demotricus 12:49 AM - 2 October, 2013
Jurys out for me - just want stability and time will tell if its better.
Don`t like the fact that the tempo matching display in horizontal view now gone AT ALL. -Why?
it`s not like there`s no space for it,it was only little and very useful.
I can`t use the vertical display (which still has it), - keep finding myself turning my head sideways because I `m used to the horizontal.

Sigh.
pdidy 12:53 AM - 2 October, 2013
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Some may ask why I don't open a thread in the help section.
What should I report? Turn 1.5.0 up and wait for any random crash?

No way this happen on a MAC ? Right ?

lol, hell has frozen for Diddy ;)

:)

is the 13inch a core 2 dual or the newer i5/i7 processor

good call joee, its likely a core 2 dual. Granted it still "should" work.
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Some may ask why I don't open a thread in the help section.
What should I report? Turn 1.5.0 up and wait for any random crash?


Yes you should, because we can try and log the issues and crash reports so they may be resolved. The support guys can try and troubleshoot with you to see if its reproducible.

How will we resolve your issues if you don't report it? You should really know better Serkan.

I agree ;)
Joee 1:00 AM - 2 October, 2013
^^ man i'm so tiered of hearing people complain about serato dj, i use it week after week on a vci 380 without issue & i'm getting close to 90,000 files music and videos with a hole lot of crates and subcrates

i'm running a 2011 15inch i7 2.2ghz 8gigs of ram & a 60 gig solid state drive osx lion with a 4tb external
Joee 1:01 AM - 2 October, 2013
^ firewire & and my mac only gets turned on to dj nothing else
DJ Quartz 1:02 AM - 2 October, 2013
Found some looping control anomalies working with the NS7.

Now to 62 or 64... Hmmm
Dj Nyce 1:09 AM - 2 October, 2013
i played with the offline mode for about 30 mins because well...because i plug my sl2 and 62 in and it doesn't do anything yet.
demotricus 1:14 AM - 2 October, 2013
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^^ man i'm so tiered of hearing people complain about serato dj, i use it week after week on a vci 380 without issue & i'm getting close to 90,000 files music and videos with a hole lot of crates and subcrates

i'm running a 2011 15inch i7 2.2ghz 8gigs of ram & a 60 gig solid state drive osx lion with a 4tb external


Great for you , but just because you don`t have problems - it doesn`t mean others don`t. if you`re so tired of the complaints , stop reading them.
Joee 1:20 AM - 2 October, 2013
demotricus 1:20 AM - 2 October, 2013
Yawn . how childish.
Joee 1:22 AM - 2 October, 2013
buy a mac and all will be ok ;)

i'm loving serato dj YEAHHHHH
Joee 1:23 AM - 2 October, 2013
your avatar says it all, i wish i could say i fell your pain but i can't as serato dj is flawless for me
demotricus 1:23 AM - 2 October, 2013
grow up.
Joee 1:24 AM - 2 October, 2013
demotricus 1:30 AM - 2 October, 2013
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grow up.
Joee 1:30 AM - 2 October, 2013
maybe i'm overdoing it, my bad i had 8 beers already...........lol
demotricus 1:30 AM - 2 October, 2013
your full of shining wit...
Joee 1:31 AM - 2 October, 2013
but for real thou get a mac if you don't have one already
demotricus 1:31 AM - 2 October, 2013
sorry - spoonerism..
demotricus 1:32 AM - 2 October, 2013
actually I`ve got one ordered bu I ain t rich - so I complain - quid pro quo
Joee 1:32 AM - 2 October, 2013
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your full of shining wit...

no whats full is my serato dj libary 89,000 file & running smooth as silk baby YEAHHHHH
demotricus 1:33 AM - 2 October, 2013
yes very nice.
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Joee 1:36 AM - 2 October, 2013
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yes very nice.
serato dj is very nice indeed, i love it, IT'S THE BOOM BABY!!!!!! YEAHHHHH!!!!!!
Joee 1:37 AM - 2 October, 2013
damn quote fail, i'm on beer number nine

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yes very nice.




serato dj is very nice indeed, i love it, IT'S THE BOOM BABY!!!!!! YEAHHHHH!!!!!!
Serato, Support
Martin C 1:39 AM - 2 October, 2013
This is fun!

Sip, stay and play, Joee.
demotricus 1:39 AM - 2 October, 2013
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damn quote fail, i'm on beer number nine


yes , we can tell.
Joee 1:39 AM - 2 October, 2013
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This is fun!

YEAHHHH!!!!!!!
demotricus 1:40 AM - 2 October, 2013
ooh a serato name - so why DID you get rid of the tempo matching display in the horizontal view - seriously?
Joee 1:41 AM - 2 October, 2013
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damn quote fail, i'm on beer number nine


yes , we can tell.

funny thing is i can plug in my vci 380 right now on serato dj 1.5 and dj without any issue, even drinking 10 beers, serato dj & macs are the best

YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!!
demotricus 1:43 AM - 2 October, 2013
Joee make it 15 fella and put some vicodin in it too.
Joee 1:43 AM - 2 October, 2013
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ooh a serato name - so why DID you get rid of the tempo matching display in the horizontal view - seriously?

i know right this really gets on my nerves , whats going on here serato guys????? i want to know YEAHHH!
Joee 1:45 AM - 2 October, 2013
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Joee make it 15 fella and put some vicodin in it too.

WOOO WOOO there buddy none of that here only beer here buddy none of that junk here

beer and serato dj YEAHHHHH!!!!

Yuengling Larger YEAHHHHH!!!!!
demotricus 1:46 AM - 2 October, 2013
12?
(beers not your age)
Serato, Support
Martin C 1:47 AM - 2 October, 2013
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ooh a serato name - so why DID you get rid of the tempo matching display in the horizontal view - seriously?


Trying to achieve a consistent look across all view modes and lower something referred to as "GDI objects". Sorry, I am not technical enough to explain it any more than though.

We understand that people are unhappy about it though, so we do want to look at trying to resolve it in an update.
demotricus 1:47 AM - 2 October, 2013
well - I`d love to stop and play , but TBH I`m bored now,
Enjoy your hangover.
Joee 1:47 AM - 2 October, 2013
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12?
(beers not your age)

i'm still on beer number 10 YEAHHHHHH!
demotricus 1:49 AM - 2 October, 2013
Joee 1:49 AM - 2 October, 2013
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well - I`d love to stop and play , but TBH I`m bored now,
Enjoy your hangover.

i will, enjoy serato dj crashing on you YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!
Joee 1:49 AM - 2 October, 2013
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www.pauzadebere.info

bye now.

yo i need that can you tell me were i can get one?
Joee 1:51 AM - 2 October, 2013
time to watch Sons of Anarchy, i'm out

YEAHHHHHHH!
nik39 1:59 AM - 2 October, 2013
Great. Next time you both please get a room ;)
Dj Nyce 2:06 AM - 2 October, 2013
offline view is mad thin *as compared to ssl
no elapsed time
no rewind/ff buttons
no album art
can't lock loops

on a side note i definitely don't like that tap tempo and edit grid is the same key command
deejdave 2:07 AM - 2 October, 2013
CAN lock loops

Just set the loop (manual or auto) as normal and now hit the '+' symbol next to the loop slot you want to save the loop to. Once saved, the '+' will change to a 'x' so you can delete it.
nik39 2:08 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
Trying to achieve a consistent look across all view modes and lower something referred to as "GDI objects". Sorry, I am not technical enough to explain it any more than though.

Couldn't you at least raise the GDI limit?

msdn.microsoft.com

I think in W7 the number is 10k by default, you can raise it up to 65,536.

Some more info:
blogs.technet.com
blogs.technet.com
blogs.msdn.com
Dj Nyce 2:12 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
CAN lock loops

Just set the loop (manual or auto) as normal and now hit the '+' symbol next to the loop slot you want to save the loop to. Once saved, the '+' will change to a 'x' so you can delete it.


that's just saving a loop. in ssl you can save and lock a loop. when a loop is saved it can't be deleted w/out unlocking it first.
wadup 2:13 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
played on an NS6 for about 30 minutes with no system issues.

Layout Issues:

1. Track and especially artist name in the virtual deck seem much smaller than in SSL
2. Overviews should be next to the waveforms as in SSL
3. Vertical in SSL has longer waves, these seem smaller/shorter in comparison



+10000
nik39 2:13 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
CAN lock loops

Just set the loop (manual or auto) as normal and now hit the '+' symbol next to the loop slot you want to save the loop to. Once saved, the '+' will change to a 'x' so you can delete it.

Locking is not saving!
deejdave 2:14 AM - 2 October, 2013
Oh I didn't even realize the issue with that. Got ya. Do you have an issue with accidentally deleting loops?
Dj Nyce 2:16 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
Oh I didn't even realize the issue with that. Got ya. Do you have an issue with accidentally deleting loops?


i've deleted loops accidentally once or twice by using keyboard commands. it's not a biggie for me. i'm just pointing out some of the differences from the perspective of an ssl user.

on another note it doesn't appear that you can change the cue point colors?
nik39 2:22 AM - 2 October, 2013
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Quote:
Oh I didn't even realize the issue with that. Got ya. Do you have an issue with accidentally deleting loops?
i've deleted loops accidentally once or twice by using keyboard commands. it's not a biggie for me. i'm just pointing out some of the differences from the perspective of an ssl user.on another note it doesn't appear that you can change the cue point colors?

Hold down ctrl/cmd while clicking on the cue point button.
deejdave 2:24 AM - 2 October, 2013
Yah that I saw on the release notes

"The cue point trigger button and cue point color button on the GUI have been merged. Control + Click the cue point trigger button to modify the cue point color. The cue point numbers have also been removed"

I haven't toyed much with the offline screen today at all though due to having massive fun with the 2000s & the DDJ-SX. Also Just as a side note I still to this day do ALL my offline library management in SSL. If there are any additional cue points I need I make a note of them in comments and add later. Other than that I too find SSL's offline above SDJ's. I also have high hopes that Serato will smarten up and add cue point labels to SDJ in the near future so have been adding them accordingly anyways.
Serato, Support
Martin C 2:26 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
Quote:
Trying to achieve a consistent look across all view modes and lower something referred to as "GDI objects". Sorry, I am not technical enough to explain it any more than though.

Couldn't you at least raise the GDI limit?

msdn.microsoft.com

I think in W7 the number is 10k by default, you can raise it up to 65,536.

Some more info:
blogs.technet.com
blogs.technet.com
blogs.msdn.com


I don't know, I am not a developer. I am sure whoever made this decision instead of "raising the GDI limit" did so for a reason, but yes it looks like we will have to come up with another solution in order to not disrupt peoples workflows.
deejdave 2:27 AM - 2 October, 2013
Nice Nik39. Every little bit helps.
Sand 3:01 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
What do I think?
Well, save yourself lots of frustration and stick to 1.3.0!

I have played less than 30 minutes so far and I think it really sucks.

3 crashes out of nowhere:
- One while loading a track with the other deck playing
- One while scrolling the library with two tracks playing
- One during playback of one deck while doing nothing else

1 audio dropout where the waveform was empty. It looked like a damaged AAC file in the first place but after reloading the track into the deck again everything was fine.

The deck views in horizontal and vertical modes are messed up. The vertical view has the overviews in the wrong place while in horizontal view the tempo matching display is gone.

Who makes such bad design decisions like blue played tracks + blue selection bar? It seriously hurts the eyes! I'm for a third and fourth option: green and red. Grey was crap in the first place (I don't believe anyone loved it).

The idea of having 8 cue points visible with the option to split between cues and loops was one of the less good design changes with Serato DJ. Now it's gone and we have scroll bars? I want to use the trackpad as less - not as much as possible!

The white lines at left and right of the virtual decks makes no sense? Are there really people who are not able to see if the track progress marker in the edge is at 90 or 270 degrees?

I may find much more poor design decisions and issues if I played for another 30 minutes but I need a break from that crap right now.

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Sorry guys but I'm really pissed with 1.5.0 and especially the fact that there has not been a single public beta testing since the introduction of SDJ. Remember the days you had multiple betas and release candidates with lots and loads of bugs but the software was rock solid at the final release. Now we get the first messed up beta to deal with.

Who makes such decisions at Serato? And why?


+1, I have had the same problems, missing audio and system crashes, I was going to buy an NS7 2 but not so sure now as 1.5.0 is garbage.
deejdave 3:08 AM - 2 October, 2013
What machines are you guys using? I literally played ALLLL DAy trying the most daring crap. literally TRYING to overload the laptop, even doing stupid things like unplugging the HDD, plugging/unplugging the DDJ-SX USB quickly etc....................... literally nothing. COULD NOT create any issues. I even introduced the two CDJ-2000 Nexus's, was using an external HDD (I keep them below 1 TB for performance), serato remote app, using all four channels, and every kind of supported file type. Could not create ANY issues in over 9 hours of play!! I'm not bragging I am just curuous. I seriously wanted to be the first one to report an issue and/or be able to help with any possible solutions/workarounds for any bugs that DID come up. In the end I have seen some of the changes that users want changed back as reportable items but other than that I've got nothing. Before we go any further though what kind of machines are you using?
phunkyfreq 3:12 AM - 2 October, 2013
Not liking this update....Is there any way to use the snap to beat function with out using sync like you can on traktor when using hot cue's?... The views are all messed up now seems things look smaller and compacted inwards of the center... track overview display, horizontal display have got smaller.
Serato, Moderator
Logan D 3:57 AM - 2 October, 2013
Hey guys,

We plan on adding the vertical overview back into vertical mode.
We can also look at adding the beatmatching icicles into horizontal mode.
Snap/Quantize cue point feature is on our list.

Pusha T's new album will probably be album of the year.

Logan.
pdidy 3:59 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
Before we go any further though what kind of machines are you using?

Well, serkan "claims" to have been using a Apple MacBook Pro 13. Profile say...

" mid-2010,Mac OS X 10.8.5 Mountain Lion,8GB RAM, 500GB Hard Disk.

Waiting for him to open a help request so this can be verified.
Dj Ricky Redz 3:59 AM - 2 October, 2013
why no cue point lable?
Serato, Moderator
Logan D 4:02 AM - 2 October, 2013
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why no cue point lable?

It's coming bruh! We had to add DVS support into 1.5 first.
Serato, Moderator
Samuel S 4:11 AM - 2 October, 2013
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Pusha T's new album will probably be album of the year.


Machinedrum's is looking like my fave non-rap album this year also.
wadup 4:17 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
Hey guys,

We plan on adding the vertical overview back into vertical mode.
We can also look at adding the beatmatching icicles into horizontal mode.
Snap/Quantize cue point feature is on our list.

Pusha T's new album will probably be album of the year.

Logan.



Logan there's an option in SSL to make the horizontal wave length longer via (audio cache) any plans to put this in SDJ, as the horizontal wave length in SDJ is way too short, wouldn't mind getting more length on vertical too ;)
Serato, Moderator
Logan D 4:21 AM - 2 October, 2013
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Logan there's an option in SSL to make the horizontal wave length longer via (audio cache) any plans to put this in SDJ, as the horizontal wave length in SDJ is way too short, wouldn't mind getting more length on vertical too ;)

Yeah there is. But in DJ it's not just a matter of adding in this cache feature, the 'room' on the sides of each deck is for when using DVS - the DVS modes and pitch slider appear here.

Not saying we can't do it though. Would be rad to have more waveform.
wadup 4:56 AM - 2 October, 2013
I just did a side by side vertical view of ssl and sdj, there's alot of differences with the sizes when comparing (the main wave form, track overview and tempo display)..... you guys just need to mirror the dimensions from ssl and put it into sdj, i know its easier said than done, but alot of ssl users are expecting to see some of the basic stuff from ssl when sdj 1.6 arrives.
Rene Hedemyr 5:09 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
Hey guys,

We plan on adding the vertical overview back into vertical mode.
We can also look at adding the beatmatching icicles into horizontal mode.
Snap/Quantize cue point feature is on our list.

Pusha T's new album will probably be album of the year.

Logan.


You just made me go from frustrated to excited in less than 20 seconds.

Please also go back to 4/4 cue/loop view.

I don't have my fingers on my trackpad/keyboard at all when I play, my fingers are all over my Pioneer DDJ-SX, I don't want to scroll on screen using my trackpad.
Move the Sync button on the screen to the side of the cues so you can expand the cue list hight. The Sync button is a button on my DDJ-SX so no need for the software button to have that placing.

-René
dj lashes 5:46 AM - 2 October, 2013
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dj lashes,

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2nd.. for me it looks alot cleaner less mess and am happy to see the track over view above each deck (so thats one more thank you)

Which view are you using? Horizontal or vertical?

That would be Horizontal...
dj lashes 6:17 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
Snap/Quantize cue point feature is on our list.

thanks cant wait
dj lashes 6:25 AM - 2 October, 2013
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Quote:
why no cue point lable?

It's coming bruh! We had to add DVS support into 1.5 first.

lol he called you BRUH
Pitchhansen 6:26 AM - 2 October, 2013
dj lashes 6:43 AM - 2 October, 2013

serato pls leave it the way it is now (above the decks) most of us read & write from left to right so to me it make sense to have the start of the track on the left and the end on the right...
WarpNote 7:11 AM - 2 October, 2013
WarpNote 7:16 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:

serato pls leave it the way it is now (above the decks) most of us read & write from left to right so to me it make sense to have the start of the track on the left and the end on the right...

This thread has made it clear that a lot of pople also "read" top to button. Even though you prefer it that way, there seems to be a majority wanting overviews next to the waveforms. Maybe Serato vould introduce an option to choose the placement, if not, I think they should go with the majorities choice. Just sayin'.
WarpNote 7:19 AM - 2 October, 2013
vould=could. Damn ipad mini onscreen keyboard. Lol
dj lashes 7:39 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
Quote:

serato pls leave it the way it is now (above the decks) most of us read & write from left to right so to me it make sense to have the start of the track on the left and the end on the right...

This thread has made it clear that a lot of pople also "read" top to button. Even though you prefer it that way, there seems to be a majority wanting overviews next to the waveforms. Maybe Serato vould introduce an option to choose the placement, if not, I think they should go with the majorities choice. Just sayin'.

maybe its an unfair majorities as the one who like it now dont really have to say much till they lose it like you all did..lol

mr top to bottom
so
do
you
read
like
this
hummm i think this is alot better in the real world..
deejdave 8:23 AM - 2 October, 2013
If only GUI reading had anything to do with actual reading this would be a strong case.

My guess is the VU meters on most Pro mixers become a real hassle for anyone who has a real problem cracking this code.

It's simply a matter of taste & preference. A lot of people spend most their tie staring at the laptop and prefer all this close for visual beat matching but the majority of these type of people are letting the software do the job for them so it comes down to preference.
deejdave 8:28 AM - 2 October, 2013
By this logic anyone who reads Arabic or Hebrew is screwed.

Some Chinese & Japanese DO write vertically so they are probably picking up SDJ for the first time now. Don't ruin it for them.

Again reading TEXT should have no actual say in what is best when it comes to graphics unless there is text involved. Just preference.
deejdave 8:29 AM - 2 October, 2013
Lastly I am thinking the option to choose seems the best and if it is at all possible SHOULD be explored.
serkan 8:31 AM - 2 October, 2013
It was night in Europe. Have to sleep some time :)
Ok. I'll start a help request tomorrow as I don't work then and have the time.
Mr Wilks 8:39 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
is the ability to change the color of the cue point no longer available?


If it's not already done, in gonna open a feature request for SDJ 1.6 to let us keep using SSL colours when setting cue points or keep it the current way via an option (maybe next to the new track played colour selection).

Swapping to SDJ as a permanent software is causing different colours for cues by default and I'm getting a messy library.
I know that yellow is cue two and green cue three. I have to manually change them on each load now and really should have the option like an "SSL colour palette" option.

I'm probably on my own but when I used Itch before I was doing my library management in SSL as that was my primary set up.
WarpNote 8:41 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
mr top to bottom
so
do
you
read
like
this
hummm i think this is alot better in the real world..

No need to get all defensive, the majority prefer an intuitive way of looking at the waves, not having the eyes wander between overviews and waves all the time.

[rant]
BTW, ever been to china? Population 4 times the size of US, and they all read vertically.
The human eye does the same in percetion, your head is placed of your body right?
[/rant]
WarpNote 8:43 AM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
your head is placed of your body right?

on top of your body....
VJAndrus 10:02 AM - 2 October, 2013
looks good, but work very, very slowly and crashes from mac os x 10.8.5 i7, 2,3MHz :(
I'm going back to 1,3 vers :(
clearblu 10:58 AM - 2 October, 2013
I may be in the minority but I rarely look on screen or at the controller. My filing system is that organised by bpm and genre, I can grab anything in a crate and know it'll work with anything else (with a few crossovers from warm up/ last set to main set or visca versa) But can understand people's problems when workflow is interrupted. Dj's are creatures of habit and once we find something that interupts the workflow we get upset (I know I do) I do think the ssl community should have a bit of precedence over Itch users with regard to layout, after all they have been the longest Serato users.
Just a thought
Joee 12:14 PM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
Great. Next time you both please get a room ;)

man dude got trolled, i don't normally do that but he made it sooooo easy, i mean did you see his avatar it says it all

---> serato.com , serato dj has him Fustrated
rolymaz 12:34 PM - 2 October, 2013
In future releases, there definitely needs to be more balance between new features, requested features and plain old fixes. There was very little in this release addressing requested features.

It seems like the current plan is to grow the user base, rather than service it.

When is 1.6 due?
boabmatic 1:15 PM - 2 October, 2013
1.5 had a fixed release date to match up with the new hardware that is now shipping.

I don't think anybody that bought the new hardware would be pleased if there was no support in the software for it due to them focusing on bug fixes.

It happened with SSL also that Serato had to get versions out on time to support new mixers but were still working on bugs/features for the next version in the background.
DJ Sidies 3:41 PM - 2 October, 2013
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Not true at all!! I just used my CDJ-2000 Nexus's with my DDJ-SX and they work great!!

Quote:
Yes they work 100% in controlling. Its really not hard to do for a need for video. You simply plug them in and connect your ddj-sx. Then you select the cdj-s just like in SSL. They seem a LOT tighter than SSL though. VAST improvement!!!


Are you using thme in HID mode?
DJ Launch 4:17 PM - 2 October, 2013
Personally I really liked the older version since you could choose to see 4 cue points and 4 loops - plus I liked being able to lock loops. With the new version it's really easy to overwrite loops...

Ultimately it would be great to have more control over screen layout...
morelife75 4:38 PM - 2 October, 2013
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I still don't get why you need to be in offline mode to analyze songs. I don't want to turno of or disconnect my DDJ SX if I need to analyze 10 -20 new song I just purchased

I second that
DJ Quartz 4:54 PM - 2 October, 2013
^ This is something I had to get used to as well. I think this should be changed so if you wish to analyze while connected you can.

I get that you shouldn't do this live and it will analyze on track load which I do use.

But this should change.
WarpNote 5:11 PM - 2 October, 2013
^ What so hard about unplugging the cable?
DJ Fluke 613 5:16 PM - 2 October, 2013
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I still don't get why you need to be in offline mode to analyze songs. I don't want to turno of or disconnect my DDJ SX if I need to analyze 10 -20 new song I just purchased

I second that

Why would you need to analyze songs at an event ??? I sometimes need to but its like some odd request that I download from another PC and them transfer to the DJ PC via USB. If you want to analyze hundreds of songs then just do it at home.

I don't understand why you would have songs not analyzed anyway... But what do I know about library management.

The key to a fuckin smooth workflow is a fucking smooth library. No duplicates, no corrupted files, no non analyzed tracks.

Pretty simple...
DJ Quartz 5:21 PM - 2 October, 2013
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What so hard about unplugging the cable?


Try the application locking up and having to force a quit if you forget to leave your controller unplugged before launching the application.

However, I'm not sure about other controllers but this applies to the NS7 drivers currently.
DJ Fluke 613 5:30 PM - 2 October, 2013
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Quote:
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I still don't get why you need to be in offline mode to analyze songs. I don't want to turno of or disconnect my DDJ SX if I need to analyze 10 -20 new song I just purchased

I second that

Why would you need to analyze songs at an event ??? I sometimes need to but its like some odd request that I download from another PC and them transfer to the DJ PC via USB. If you want to analyze hundreds of songs then just do it at home.

I don't understand why you would have songs not analyzed anyway... But what do I know about library management.

The key to a fuckin smooth workflow is a fucking smooth library. No duplicates, no corrupted files, no non analyzed tracks.

Pretty simple...


Forgot to say when I do need to analyze the odd track or two when I download I just simply drag it to sdj direct as the other song is playing , no need to unplug or go to offline mode for a few tracks.
WarpNote 5:50 PM - 2 October, 2013
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Quote:
What so hard about unplugging the cable?


Try the application locking up and having to force a quit if you forget to leave your controller unplugged before launching the application.

However, I'm not sure about other controllers but this applies to the NS7 drivers currently.

I´m a strong believer in fixing issues (ie the lock up) rather than introducing features that have the potential to create A LOT of issues (ie crash while playing out) for non-technical DJs...
DJ Quartz 5:59 PM - 2 October, 2013
Problem is Numark has to fix this not Serato as far as communication has stated.
deejdave 6:02 PM - 2 October, 2013
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Not true at all!! I just used my CDJ-2000 Nexus's with my DDJ-SX and they work great!!

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Yes they work 100% in controlling. Its really not hard to do for a need for video. You simply plug them in and connect your ddj-sx. Then you select the cdj-s just like in SSL. They seem a LOT tighter than SSL though. VAST improvement!!!


Are you using thme in HID mode?

Yes HID
deejdave 6:16 PM - 2 October, 2013
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Quote:
What so hard about unplugging the cable?


Try the application locking up and having to force a quit if you forget to leave your controller unplugged before launching the application.

However, I'm not sure about other controllers but this applies to the NS7 drivers currently.


So you DON'T want to unplug a cable in fear of the system locking up but you DO want to be able to analyze songs while connected when the same danger is present from doing something as reckless as analyzing while connected(at a performance)?

I understand it will ONLY be for non performance circumstances. How ong do you think it would be before someone complained about it happening during a performance though. Again this is to save certain people from their worst enemy.............. themselves.
Pete Input 7:02 PM - 2 October, 2013
- 1.5 crash every time.
- LED's in SP6 players bank A, slot 6 is staying on (like freezing), while sample is not playing anymore.
- Looper FX is not accurate on beat, like 1.3.

Everything working ok with 1.3.

VCI-380, Mackbook Pro 13", Core 2 Duo, 2,4 GHz, 4Gt, 10.6.8
DJ Quartz 7:04 PM - 2 October, 2013
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So you DON'T want to unplug a cable in fear of the system locking up but you DO want to be able to analyze songs while connected when the same danger is present from doing something as reckless as analyzing while connected(at a performance)?

I understand it will ONLY be for non performance circumstances. How ong do you think it would be before someone complained about it happening during a performance though. Again this is to save certain people from their worst enemy.............. themselves.


Are your serious????

I'm talking about when I'm in my studio prepping and recording mixes and I have to add a ton of songs and want to analyze them in one shot.

It's no more dangerous than having the analyze on load function enabled. You don't think it could crash the system as well?

Use common sense, we're talking about prepping before playing live.
DJ Quartz 7:05 PM - 2 October, 2013
Also,

I have another problem, what happens when I want to switch from my NS7 to 62 to use dvs instead??

Then what??

I have to keep forcing a quit everytime I want to disconnnect my ns7??
djstefy74 7:11 PM - 2 October, 2013
My hope was that with 1.5 the scroll function in the Vci 300 was solved but not again..i hope in a 1.5.1 with no need to break my finger during track search..and a big hope 4 have the fx control with the Vfx1...4 now no crashes\dropout during gigs..
WarpNote 7:13 PM - 2 October, 2013
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It's no more dangerous than having the analyze on load function enabled.

Oooh, but you are wrong my friend. Analyze on load will only use one thread, hitting the analyze button will use ALL available threads, effectively "blocking" the computer....
pdidy 7:32 PM - 2 October, 2013
Quote:
Quote:
So you DON'T want to unplug a cable in fear of the system locking up but you DO want to be able to analyze songs while connected when the same danger is present from doing something as reckless as analyzing while connected(at a performance)?

I understand it will ONLY be for non performance circumstances. How ong do you think it would be before someone complained about it happening during a performance though. Again this is to save certain people from their worst enemy.............. themselves.


Are your serious????

I'm talking about when I'm in my studio prepping and recording mixes and I have to add a ton of songs and want to analyze them in one shot.

It's no more dangerous than having the analyze on load function enabled. You don't think it could crash the system as well?

Use common sense, we're talking about prepping before playing live.

Sorry Quartz, but this is a very bad idea.
jstyle 8:01 PM - 2 October, 2013
Ok, so I downloaded and installed 1.5. I have played a couple of sets of an hour or more and have had no dropouts yet. I recorded a mix with no issues as well. It seems to me that the overall sound quality of my DDJ-SX has improved a little over version 1.3. the highs are clearer and the bass has more response. Plus it is louder. I like the blue color of the played tracks but a choice of colors would be nice. I didn't know how to save loops until I read other threads, so +1 on that info.

I would prefer the save button for the loops, it would be one less thing to remember when you are "live in the mix". The overview display would take a little time to get used to in terms of re-adjusting your eyes. I have been using SDJ since January so I got used to looking where it used to be. Other than that it kinda reminds me of scratchlive.

Overall it's not bad though. Still testing it before a gig next week.
casious 8:35 PM - 2 October, 2013
I'm sorry Quartz but I can't understand the need for that.

You're talking about prepping before playing live...why do you need to be connected if all you're doing is prepping?

You say you want to add a ton of songs and analyze in one shot...so if you're analyzing a ton of songs, like WarpNote said, analyze uses all threads, you're not going to be mixing, scratching, fx'ing, looping, or anything while analyzing a ton of tracks anyway, so what's the need to be connected? And considering the resources analyzing tracks takes up, what makes you think analyzing while connected would not cause lockups or other issues with the NS7 or any other controller.

If your lockups from connecting/disconnecting is a Numark NS7 problem (as you suggested), then I'm sorry but there's no justification for Serato to take time, effort and software resources away from truly essential features and functions to implement something like this because of a problem with one or two specific controllers where the hardware seems to be the prime factor.
deejdave 8:36 PM - 2 October, 2013
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Quote:
So you DON'T want to unplug a cable in fear of the system locking up but you DO want to be able to analyze songs while connected when the same danger is present from doing something as reckless as analyzing while connected(at a performance)?

I understand it will ONLY be for non performance circumstances. How long do you think it would be before someone complained about it happening during a performance though. Again this is to save certain people from their worst enemy.............. themselves.


I love this!! You speak of using common sense yet it seems you truly believe that people will NOT attempt to use this during a set or directly prior to one?? First off Commonsense is a dangerous concept and not nearly as COMMON as some think (^exhibit A^). Secondly you truly think that if people HAVE they option to do something they wont try to even if they know they shouldn't? I mean this is truly your belief? NOT being able to do something is sometimes exclusively the reason in which some people attempt things. This is basic psychology nevermind technical.


Quote:
I'm talking about when I'm in my studio prepping and recording mixes and I have to add a ton of songs and want to analyze them in one shot.

See I (as I thought most people do) kee my prepping and recording separate. As the word suggests PREparing is something that SHOULD be done BEFORE as the prefix PRE suggests.

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It's no more dangerous than having the analyze on load function enabled. You don't think it could crash the system as well?

Your quite wrong on this which is NOT an opinion as WarpNote explains further

Quote:
Use common sense, we're talking about prepping before playing live.

There's that common sense thing again and just to clarify YOU are talking about prepping before playing live.

Overall if a certain practice saves you from potential problems wouldn't you want to do the same? Of all the suggestions and or improvements I have heard lately this one seems to be the most obvious in which direction it should go.
deejdave 8:40 PM - 2 October, 2013
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If your lockups from connecting/disconnecting is a Numark NS7 problem (as you suggested), then I'm sorry but there's no justification for Serato to take time, effort and software resources away from truly essential features and functions to implement something like this because of a problem with one or two specific controllers where the hardware seems to be the prime factor.


Exactly correct. I am not saying it SHOULDN'T be addressed but Numark is the one who should be addressing it as it is their problem along with anyone who actually went with Numark.
DJ Quartz 1:54 AM - 3 October, 2013
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You're talking about prepping before playing live...why do you need to be connected if all you're doing is prepping?


I'm glad someone asked this...

1) My database is managed 100% by alchemie zinc
2) Whitelabel tracks and Crate Connect tracks are pre-analyzed, all other music services are not
3) As I said working in the studio....

Furthermore, the problem is coming from a Traktor background. Which lets you analyze anytime you want.

Someone said because the analyze on load function uses one thread. If you have a bad file it could still crash the application regardless.

No different than if you drag and dropped one file onto the analyze button in offline mode

Analysis on all threads is not a valid arguement because you're not going to do this while playing in a venue live.

As stated before, it was communicated as a Numark issue, but I don't think it's 100% on Numark.

This is a known issue and fault on both parties right now. Especially since the problem has moved on to SDJ.

So, the issue of switching between DVS and NS7 right now is moot due to this technical issue which I will be doing sooner than later.

Are you trying to tell me most DJ's on here are not intelligent enough not to invoke full analysis while playing live?
DJ Quartz 2:00 AM - 3 October, 2013
Not to mention someone asked me why I would have to be connected in the studio...

Hello??

So I get some new tracks in a mix and I toss them in manually because I want to add them into the mix.

Ok, so I have to load them one by one into the deck to analyze manually verses being able to do them all in one shot because I have to unplug my device whether 57SL or NS7 and soon to be 62 just to do so??

I'm not saying change the original behaviour in the current state but what you're trying to tell me that a three key hotkey press to invoke the analysis process is going to cause some huge catastrophe because people somehow aren't smart enough not to do it live?
pdidy 2:19 AM - 3 October, 2013
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Are you trying to tell me most DJ's on here are not intelligent enough not to invoke full analysis while playing live?

Oh you mean like the djs who update to new versions with no at home testing and play live, then blame serato when it crashes.

Or the ones that NEVER read the manual or do any research so they blame user error on serato.

Or do you mean the ones that use under spec or unsupported computers and blame serato when the crash.

Or the ones that have a library full of corrupt files but blame serato when it crashes.

Or maybe you just want to add to this list of stupid shit djs do.......lol
DJ Quartz 2:24 AM - 3 October, 2013
Hence my three key press requirement....
DJ Quartz 2:24 AM - 3 October, 2013
^ You do that knowingly while playing live and lose audio, it's on the DJ.
phatbob 2:39 AM - 3 October, 2013
Traktor only analyses one track at a time, whether online or offline. It's slow as hell.

At least with SDJ you have the option of doing multiple files at once, quickly, in offline mode, or doing single files in online mode. That's an improvement over Traktor, not a negative.
maviccf 4:02 AM - 3 October, 2013
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What exactly are you personally waiting on? You never know what might be in store for you with the next version.

serato.com
to solve this issue, its been there almost a year ago and its not a priority
Serato, Support
Martin C 5:15 AM - 3 October, 2013
Quote:
to solve this issue, its been there almost a year ago and its not a priority


Its a priority amongst priorities :) Admittedly, we have been slow on this, but we will certainly do it, but we do appreciate your patience.
WarpNote 6:58 AM - 3 October, 2013
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Someone said because the analyze on load function uses one thread. If you have a bad file it could still crash the application regardless.
I´m that someone. Its true, that´s why Serato strongly suggest to analyze ALL tracks BEFORE playing out live.

Quote:
No different than if you drag and dropped one file onto the analyze button in offline mode
Wrong, If analyzing one track on load, there is one once chance of the file being corrupt, if analyzing 10 tracks while playing out, there is 10 chances of finding a corrupt file. Ie 10 times the risk.

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Analysis on all threads is not a valid arguement because you're not going to do this while playing in a venue live.
Wrong, I can guarantee that users will try it if its possible.

Quote:
Are you trying to tell me most DJ's on here are not intelligent enough not to invoke full analysis while playing live?
One visit to the help threads will confirm this Quartz, DJ´s aren´t exactly rocket scientists. In my experience, library/file issues counts for most of the crashes I´ve witnessed, mostly caused from analyze, read/write/rescan id tags, or import files.

In many ways you can compare the Serato analyze process with 3d graphics rendering:
All CPU resources are being utilized, there is a very high file I/O activity, and this leaves any computer system vulnerable. Next time you run analyze, leave "activity monitor" running, it will show ALL CPU resource being used, and a very high HD activity. And working with 3d graphics rendering for about 15 years, I´ve seen a lot of nasty crashes, often I would need to "babysit" this process. (ie running a monitor system, with e-mail alerts, remote control, a really exensive system)

Phatbob mentioned Traktor to be single threaded, same thing goes for Rekordbox.
I consider the analyze system in Serato to be a blessing, if the DJ invest in a higher specced computer, the software speeds up this process a lot, compared to the competition.

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I'm talking about when I'm in my studio prepping and recording mixes and I have to add a ton of songs and want to analyze them in one shot.
If adding a ton of files, I´m sure it would be quicker to exit SDJ, unplug, restart SDJ, and analyze on all threads, than be running only 1 thread... And if you want to both practicing and analyzing at the same time, I suggest you use one of your other computers. I noticed you have more than one in your profile.

Bottom line is, Serato strongly advices users to analyze ALL tracks while offline BEFORE playing out. They advice to remove all corrupt files, and they generally advice AGAINST adding files during a gig. If Serato considered analyzing on all threads safe while playing out, the analyze button would not disappear when connected.

The only way I see this being run safely, is a command line utility for analyze, with flags for number of threads to use. However, I don´t see it happening.

Again, I agree that Numark & Serato should address the connection issue. Thankfully I never had those issues with Rane or Pioneer hardware yet.
DJ Quartz 10:54 AM - 3 October, 2013
In fact I don't even know if the new generation Traktor is still single-threaded because I haven't used it in so long.

Bottom line is, Serato strongly advices users to analyze ALL tracks while offline BEFORE playing out. They advice to remove all corrupt files, and they generally advice AGAINST adding files during a gig. If Serato considered analyzing on all threads safe while playing out, the analyze button would not disappear when connected.

Once again, people are missing the point. Who is talking about playing out live?

Single threaded vs Multi-Threaded, doesn't matter that is not the issue.

Actually it won't matter soon anyway because Alchemie Zinc might gain the capability to analyze tracks and edit tags.

So if that's the case I won't have to do anything in SSL/SDJ soon.
DJ Quartz 10:55 AM - 3 October, 2013
However the hotplug issue has to get fixed for lab testing reason and performances where I'll be using the NS7 is one part of the performance and turntables + mixer in another location of the event.
LJ_WOOLSEY 2:44 AM - 4 October, 2013
Not liking 1.5.

Good point, Blue played tracks.

Bad points,

X hard to see the light grey triangle on cue colours.
X scrolling cue and loops, no 4 and 4 cues and loops (step backwards)
X text of artist title smaller.
X moved the overview to under the title! Should be down the side of the waveform. (Bad move!!!!)
X you can hardly see the minuet white markers in the overview (loved this feature why change it!!!)

Thats all i can remeber at the moment.
Djpr1 3:21 AM - 4 October, 2013
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Not liking 1.5.

Good point, Blue played tracks.

Bad points,

X hard to see the light grey triangle on cue colours.
X scrolling cue and loops, no 4 and 4 cues and loops (step backwards)
X text of artist title smaller.
X moved the overview to under the title! Should be down the side of the waveform. (Bad move!!!!)
X you can hardly see the minuet white markers in the overview (loved this feature why change it!!!)

Thats all i can remeber at the moment.


+1000
Djpr1 3:25 AM - 4 October, 2013
X Also not able to save or lock a loop while connected to hardware. (Really Bad Move)
pdidy 3:35 AM - 4 October, 2013
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Are you trying to tell me most DJ's on here are not intelligent enough not to invoke full analysis while playing live?

Oh you mean like the djs who update to new versions with no at home testing and play live, then blame serato when it crashes.

serato.com
yep , that didnt take long to happen.....lol
hologram 10:04 AM - 4 October, 2013
I wish people who take risks by not preparing would also accept responsibility for doing so.
To compare to another technology....
I mean who gets mad because your cell phone doesn't work in an elevator?
Gilbz 10:13 AM - 4 October, 2013
Only had a quick play with 1.5

Crashed 3 times in around 30 minutes
Hate the scroll to see other loops~ I want to use the keyboard less

Love the blue colour


I just wish the simple little issues were sorted.
One from memory is the scroll button, if I press it I want it to open crates. Not jump to another view of my music panel. As I said I want to use the keyboard/ mouse less.
For god sake fix the stuff it's meant to do before thinking of other cr4p!

Are any of the Serato developers actual DJs?
viper9711 12:36 PM - 4 October, 2013
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Not liking 1.5.

Good point, Blue played tracks.

Bad points,

X hard to see the light grey triangle on cue colours.
X scrolling cue and loops, no 4 and 4 cues and loops (step backwards)
X text of artist title smaller.
X moved the overview to under the title! Should be down the side of the waveform. (Bad move!!!!)
X you can hardly see the minuet white markers in the overview (loved this feature why change it!!!)

Thats all i can remeber at the moment.


+1000
Mr Wilks 12:55 PM - 4 October, 2013
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X Also not able to save or lock a loop while connected to hardware. (Really Bad Move)


You should be able to save by pressing the "+" icon in a loop slot. I like this way as it's treated like cues now.

I agree on the locking. If you have locked loops then you can't delete them. It's a bug they've confirmed.
viper9711 7:53 PM - 4 October, 2013
The new layout does not please me. A real step backwards. . Only the new blue font color is great. I 'm back to 1.30
jprime 7:58 PM - 4 October, 2013
Can I stream my tracklist directly to LinkedIn ?
dj lashes 8:20 PM - 4 October, 2013
just asking... the people who are having dropouts/freezing/crashes are you on PC or MAC?
Club Ample 8:26 PM - 4 October, 2013
Personally I am not a big fan of the blue for played tracks... of course its much better than gray... but I dont get why its not green. Why change from something that has been fine for years. Blue on a back background is not as easy to read as green is.
dj lashes 8:32 PM - 4 October, 2013
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Personally I am not a big fan of the blue for played tracks... of course its much better than gray... but I dont get why its not green. Why change from something that has been fine for years. Blue on a back background is not as easy to read as green is.

i hear you on that one the green was doing fine and one more thing i know it meant for played tracks but i use them more for tracks which i play regular it helps to find them when scrolling fast but i wish we had an option to make just selected tracks white again and not only all at one time..
pdidy 8:43 PM - 4 October, 2013
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just asking... the people who are having dropouts/freezing/crashes are you on PC or MAC?

Its seems both pc and mac. Whats weird is that there's an unusually HIGH amount of mac users with issues crashing and freezing. So apparently there's a BIG problem with this update. One of the worst I've ever seen so far.....

Im currently unaffected and running flawlessly on a old low spec 2008 mbp 2.4gh core 2 duo 2gig ram.
dj lashes 8:56 PM - 4 October, 2013
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Quote:
just asking... the people who are having dropouts/freezing/crashes are you on PC or MAC?

Its seems both pc and mac. Whats weird is that there's an unusually HIGH amount of mac users with issues crashing and freezing. So apparently there's a BIG problem with this update. One of the worst I've ever seen so far.....

Im currently unaffected and running flawlessly on a old low spec 2008 mbp 2.4gh core 2 duo 2gig ram.

thats why i asked because i have 2 mbp and SDJ using VCI300mk1&2, 380, NS6, NS7 and all runs like a hot knife through butter i wonder what other people are doing to have so much issues.. i just posted a sound issue but i cant say that it is SDJ i just dont know.. i sometime wish i could have one of the macs that people say SDJ is crashing on i know it will not do that with me..seems to be more to it then some are saying..
clearblu 9:00 PM - 4 October, 2013
I'm not getting involved in a pc vs mac thing again!
But like Pdiddy my Hp is running 100% with no hangs
Hp dv 7
Intel dual core 2.4
4gig ram
Windows 7 sp 1
800gig mp3 (internal drive)
180gig .flac

2.3gig ram used
Some spikes in cpu usage to 45%
Idles after loading tracks at 15-23%
swift807 11:02 PM - 4 October, 2013
1.Not able to name cue points

2.Not able to set cue points in chronological order

3. Why move the ,Make Smart Crate , Make Crate, and List View Options in the middle of the screen and clutter it . It was perfect at the bottom left away from the main view.

4.The bright blue is harsh on the eyes. Somehow the whole lay out seems cheap and not as smooth as Scratch live.

Why not make it comfortable for Scratch live users to make a smooth transition to Serato DJ without all the deleted functions and changes.
J.J. 7:35 AM - 5 October, 2013
1. Still cannot expand/contract a Crate with the BACK Button on the VCI-380. Over a year and multiple request and still nothing. Am I missing something? Why have a controller if you need to use your laptop to open up a crate?

2. Where is the Tempo matching display in horizontal view? It shouldn't matter if it only lined up in Vertical View, bring it back in Horizontal View.

3. Sort Cues Chronologically

4. Why can't we beat jump without SYNC being on? Why does the grid have to go away?

5. Serato DJ display 4 Hot Cues and 4 Loops. Please bring this back.

6. Where in the flip mode is SPLICE? serato.com

7. You will have less complaints if you bring back Public Beta's. You know, when more users can find bugs and crashes.
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:26 AM - 5 October, 2013
Serato dj came out November 2012! And for the vci-380 was alot later so not well over a year.

But yes agree on all your points.

Serato made good with sdj now they gone and messed it up just before all the ssl users come on board! Makes no sence!
swift807 10:43 AM - 5 October, 2013
anything on ddj sx ?
DJ Quartz 1:14 PM - 5 October, 2013
Still need day mode already.

And aux effects routing.

........
irieproductions 1:50 PM - 5 October, 2013
Things i love:
- The blue color on played tracks, THANKS!!!! (A feature suggestion would be to let us choose what color we want for different tracks)
- The New FX since 1.3 sound really nice and professional.
- Now i can see more looping options on screen.

Things i still hate:
- Still cannot expand crates with the scrolling knob on the controller. Big surprise that a major release has not fixed something that was reported since version 1.0 at least from a DDJ-SX perspective.
- Still no way to route fx through Mic.

Thigs that can be improved:
- I don't like the current implementation of "Snap to Beatgrid", if i hit sync prior to playing a track it should automatically snap to beatgrid when pressing play but right now i have to press sync again to snap it to the beat grid (unless im doing something wrong)
dj lashes 2:20 PM - 5 October, 2013
Quote:
Things i love:
- The blue color on played tracks, THANKS!!!! (A feature suggestion would be to let us choose what color we want for different tracks)
- The New FX since 1.3 sound really nice and professional.
- Now i can see more looping options on screen.

Things i still hate:
- Still cannot expand crates with the scrolling knob on the controller. Big surprise that a major release has not fixed something that was reported since version 1.0 at least from a DDJ-SX perspective.
- Still no way to route fx through Mic.


well said mate..
silvercue 6:23 PM - 5 October, 2013
so I am thinking don't update at the moment - I seem to have what I need with current version.
k-ta 7:20 PM - 5 October, 2013
They dont care about that man
dj lashes 7:31 PM - 5 October, 2013
to update is not by force and not a must if you got want you need stay where you are.. just alot of us love new toys so even a bad update can make your day.. lol
DjCity 7:51 PM - 5 October, 2013
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to update is not by force and not a must if you got want you need stay where you are.. just alot of us love new toys so even a bad update can make your day.. lol


WOW!!!!

My man Lashes speaks the TRUTH!

I wish others would realize that updates are not MANDATORY.
So many people complain that this does not work the way it used to or that does not work anymore or hardware is no longer supported when all they need to do is.....
Drumroll Please....

USE WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN USING!!!!!

Big Ups Lashes
FabulousFrequencies 8:14 PM - 5 October, 2013
<---- Still a relatively pleased ITCH user. That said I stick my feet in the water when a new version of SDJ drops now. The water is just too cold still. I'll be checking out 1.5 this weekend sometime.
Maskrider 12:37 AM - 6 October, 2013
Haven't tested it yet by the looks of it I'll stay with 1.3 for awhile....
DJVaage 1:47 AM - 6 October, 2013
1.5 is a disaster!

I used in on a gig and it crashed on me. After restarting it also started giving me USB dropouts. At least it sounded like USB dropouts, even though my buffer setting was set to the exact same as in 1.3. I tried to increase the buffer size but I could still hear occasional hizz and popping sounds.

The blue colour for played tracks is a nice feature though but what I don't understand is when you finally decided to bother to write the code necessary to give the user a choice between grey and blue colour for played tracks is why we are left with only those two choices of colour. Does it take that much more coding to add more colours which gives the user more freedom to customize to their needs?

Even though 1.5 seems to work better in a few ways, it is way too unstable and luckily for me, the venue has a CDJ setup which I could connect to my DDJ-SX while I re-installed SDJ 1.3. I still think 1.3 is missing a lot of features and improvements but at least to me, it has been rock solid and never crashed on me or given me any of the problems I got with 1.5.

Seriously, do you even properly beta test your software before releasing it to the public?

If it matters, this is my setup:

13'' MacBook Pro, OSx 10.8.5, Pioneer DDJ-SX
Serato, Moderator
Logan D 8:24 AM - 6 October, 2013
Hey guys, thanks for the feedback.

• Overviews in Vertical mode
• Being able to see loops and cues simultaneously
• Save/lock loops while hardware connected
• Expand/collapse crates from hardware
• Naming cues
• Autoloop size select not easy enough to see when inactive

We realise these are all things that you want, so hopefully we can provide them in future updates :) If you are experiencing crashes or any other issue, please start a thread with our support team if you haven't already - we can't help if we don't know about it!

Cheers,
Logan.
Davmix 9:09 AM - 6 October, 2013
don't forget beat jump
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:27 AM - 6 October, 2013
And the Thickness of the white 1min markers in the overview!!
Serato, Moderator
Logan D 9:28 AM - 6 October, 2013
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And the Thickness of the white 1min markers in the overview!!

I'll check this out, I don't see why it would've changed.
LJ_WOOLSEY 9:39 AM - 6 October, 2013
Thank you
DjCity 3:20 PM - 6 October, 2013
@ Logan...

Yeah.
It is much harder to see the beat markers now than it was in 1.3.
Also, the pitch "seems" to be more sensitive. It's a little harder to ride the pitch fader (I don't use sync).
Also, 1.5 really likes to CRASH.
Crashes make it hard to DJ even more than a super sensitive pitch or thinner beat grid markers.
dj lashes 3:41 PM - 6 October, 2013
Quote:
Hey guys, thanks for the feedback.

• Overviews in Vertical mode
• Being able to see loops and cues simultaneously
• Save/lock loops while hardware connected
• Expand/collapse crates from hardware
• Naming cues
• Autoloop size select not easy enough to see when inactive

We realise these are all things that you want, so hopefully we can provide them in future updates :) If you are experiencing crashes or any other issue, please start a thread with our support team if you haven't already - we can't help if we don't know about it!

Cheers,
Logan.

sounds great that you guys are hearing us but you should try to make more options over changes or you just gonna piss of the ones that are happy right "like am happy with the over view above the decks".. and can you please make a option to not have to hold the scroll button to use platter scroll also add platter scroll to other controllers..
phatbob 3:52 PM - 6 October, 2013
Those of you having crash issues really do need to start help threads and get crash reports uploaded to Serato, so they can work out what's going on.

For my part, I've now done 4 gigs on 1.5 (over 20 hours), upgrading from 10.8.4 to 10.8.5 between the third and fourth, and it's been 100% stable throughout.
dj lashes 3:59 PM - 6 October, 2013
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Those of you having crash issues really do need to start help threads and get crash reports uploaded to Serato, so they can work out what's going on.

that right they need to do so or how can the serato fix it?

Quote:
For my part, I've now done 4 gigs on 1.5 (over 20 hours), upgrading from 10.8.4 to 10.8.5 between the third and fourth, and it's been 100% stable throughout

feeling the same way stable for me..
DjCity 4:01 PM - 6 October, 2013
Phatbob...

Your luck seems to hold out with every release.
Mine did too until 1.5

I have started a help request and uploaded the crash retort. I'm still waiting to hear back from the Serato team. I know it can take a while.

I do wish people would stop posting crash reports in threads like this and I wish people would use textedit to attach crash reports in the help forum instead of posting these loooooooooong crash reports all over the place.
DjCity 4:03 PM - 6 October, 2013
@phatbob and lashes
Are you guys using video or just audio?
phatbob 4:15 PM - 6 October, 2013
My gigs this week have been all audio, but the bulk of my files are videos anyway.

For so many people to suddenly have crash issues with previously stable installs, it would suggest to me that there is some kind of shared problem, and so those crash reports are even more important than usual.
dj lashes 4:26 PM - 6 October, 2013
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I do wish people would stop posting crash reports in threads like this and I wish people would use textedit to attach crash reports in the help forum instead of posting these loooooooooong crash reports all over the place.

yeah for real whats up with that..get the info to the right place so it can end up helping you..

Quote:
@phatbob and lashes
Are you guys using video or just audio?

just audio but 2 of my djs are using video and no issues (1 of them said a few glitches but his MBP is not the best)
LJ_WOOLSEY 4:47 PM - 6 October, 2013
I have done 2 6hour video gigs with 1.5 and SV with vci-380 and 1 4 hour gig.
No crashes yet, but i do not really use the fx.

It has been stable so far.

The biggest thing for me is the overview its to small and the white 1min markers are impossible to see if your 1meter away from laptop. I use that alot to look at and see when near end track ect.
LJ_WOOLSEY 4:51 PM - 6 October, 2013
Oh and i was using a 13 macbookpro core2duo, 8gb ram. Osx 10.6.8
FabulousFrequencies 4:11 PM - 7 October, 2013
Spent a little time with it Sunday. Everything that's broken for the VCI/VFX is still broken. And the blue while others find it pleasant (and I agree it's a gorgeous shade) is visually fatigueing to me. I understand it matches the workflow of the active fill for the rest of the GUI, but it's too much for my eyes. Would like to see this and all other base colors as such with a selectable table in config where we can pick a color for fonts/fill that works best for individuals. Just set an environment variable to cover this, it's not the most labor intensive request to hand a coder. This is where companies like atomix waltz right past you, because the individuals who ain't lazy as shit can just make a skin that suits them. A drag-n-drop GUI that allows us to size and move compartmentalized elements would be ideal but I wouldn't hold my breath for something like that.

If I had to place a guess on 1.5, 10% of the time was spent on feature requests, 10% on bug work and 80% on prepping for the DDJ-SR launch next month as i'm sure the units have been in testing with it. We just don't know it's supported in 1.5 because nobody has one yet ;)
Djdacari 8:24 PM - 7 October, 2013
Crashed twice for me with DDJ-SX - Brand New MBP 13" 8GRAM. SP6 Sampler can still kiss my ass...
deejdave 8:36 PM - 7 October, 2013
Horrible performance over the weekend. This ONLY happens when I use my cdj-2000 Nexus's with Serato DJ otherwise all is OK.
djdrewsie 9:07 PM - 7 October, 2013
Used SDJ 1.5 the entire weekend at my residency. Occassional audio hiccup here and there (That's more the quality of my hardware).

Ran it with Windows 7 and had Serato Video running like usual. I run Serato at very low specs and refresh rates because of the low specs on my computer. No major CPU spikes and occasional spike on a track loading. I have gotten into the habit of unloading tracks to free up CPU.

Database was normal, no missing beatgrids or cues. (Only bug is that sometimes the cues aren't viewable on the waveform itself, but show up if you press its corresponding cue button. This is a common bug I've seen from time to time in other releases, but never gives me any problems)

Used it with a novation twitch and also tried with ns7. No problems whatsoever.

Take care of your databases (it's the root of a lot of problems) and if you're working with serato professionally at gigs, keep a minimal amount of programs on your computer if you can. I find that installing and uninstalling multiple programs alongside serato can really mess up your registries and effect how a program is installed. I only have serato on my main windows computer and a few drivers for secondary controllers, but no other dj or production software. I have other computers for that.

I'm no expert, but I think that maintaining databases and changing tags and modifying metadata across multiple softwares is just a nightmare waiting to happen. Yes it's a lot of money, but it's less headaches and less reboots if you have computers designated to certain tasks and not have one device do all of your audio video needs. Just some food for thought!
djcrap 8:19 PM - 8 October, 2013
Has any one noticed that with serato dj analyzing songs with a quad core laptop the status bars of some tracks freeze and before you get to 150 tracks the tracks are frozen to a point that sdj is only analyzing 2 tracks. Then the all thing freezes and you have to start over. This won t. Affect you if you analyzing your entire library but sucks if you just analyzing a crate of 700 tracks because if it is stack at 150 you will have to do it over and over again.



Best work around is to analyze all tracks in scratchlive
LJ_WOOLSEY 8:42 PM - 8 October, 2013
^ i have read that issue alot over the years and have had it happen to me on two core.
dj lashes 9:03 PM - 8 October, 2013
^^ i had that happen but i just waited and it seemed to start working after about 4-5mins
nik39 1:11 AM - 9 October, 2013
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Has any one noticed that with serato dj analyzing songs with a quad core laptop the status bars of some tracks freeze and before you get to 150 tracks the tracks are frozen to a point that sdj is only analyzing 2 tracks. Then the all thing freezes and you have to start over. This won t. Affect you if you analyzing your entire library but sucks if you just analyzing a crate of 700 tracks because if it is stack at 150 you will have to do it over and over again.

Confirmed.

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Best work around is to analyze all tracks in scratchlive

But also happens in SL for me.
djcrap 2:04 AM - 9 October, 2013
^^^^ yes nick it happens with scratch live too. And i can confirm that with every release of scratchlive or serato dj it has been getting worse and worse
DjCity 2:15 AM - 9 October, 2013
Yes it has.
I noticed it in ssl, all itch releases and now in serato dj.
toi 11:25 AM - 9 October, 2013
1.5 looks like a rushed release to make Pioneer and Rane happy. Now their new hardware is supported.. yay!

...and all other SDJ users who don't buy the latest and greatest every 3 months have to accept that there obviously wasn't any time or effort left for testing 1.5 - except for the new hardware, of course. It's been the same with ITCH.. kinda sad.

I'm back on 1.3 now. Since this is the release that introduced Twitch in SDJ, I'm afraid this might be the only stable release I'll ever have for my Twitch :(
DJ Quartz 11:41 PM - 9 October, 2013
I'm looking forward to 1.6
J.J. 11:44 PM - 9 October, 2013
Is there ever going to be Public Beta testing? Or are we just going to except Serato DJ to always be buggy?
DJ Quartz 11:59 PM - 9 October, 2013
1.6 will be public beta.
DJ Launch 12:11 AM - 10 October, 2013
Multiple crashes since the release with New MacBook Air and DDJ-SX.

Never crashed for me in previous versions...

Still overwriting loops - hopefully we'll be able to lock these again soon
Serato, Moderator
Samuel S 1:06 AM - 10 October, 2013
Hey Launch, can you start a help request with your crash reports, steps to reproduce if you can and full computer specs?

Sam.
Serato, Moderator
Samuel S 1:06 AM - 10 October, 2013
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1.6 will be public beta.


This is correct :)
Dj Nyce 2:27 AM - 10 October, 2013
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1.6 will be public beta.


This is correct :)


might want to slide that out sooner than later.
hologram 7:06 AM - 10 October, 2013
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Martin C 8:14 AM - 10 October, 2013
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The software isn't ready for Public Beta. It will be in December.
Dj L-Biz 2:13 PM - 10 October, 2013
A lot to read through: for me so far:

Blue x10 better that grey (thank you Serato)

Cue Points & Loops - Not a fan using the mouse/track pad to scroll. the previous versions seem a lot better for my work flow being able to see all your cue points in one glance was defo winning for me. In fact I loved the option to view all loops and all cues or combo. Maybe this could be combined - my suggestion would be if you have the mixed view (4 or 5 (can't remember how many now) of each) then you can use scroll - but still have an option to view all 8 cue or loops as well.

I have only ever used simple sync in the past but it seems to operate differently now. If you have a track playing and sync was pressed previously the new track you drop on the deck automatically starts in sync mode. I much preferred choosing whether to sync the new track myself or not. (i know there is the option not to sync at all) but aside from when you're doubling up i cant get my head around having to unsync the newly loaded tracks. (this may just be a slight annoyance for me only and i'm sure i will get used to it but worth mentioning...) I should point out its only really a pain when you have tracks tagged at certain bpm but you know they transition to a different tempo later in the track or when the track is a bit funky and drifts i'm still a fan of nudging and using my ears as well sometimes... I guess the fact i consciously have to double check myself when i load a new track is a little niggle for me.

Just my two cents...

aside from that seems fairly stable... except...

I do keep finding every now and then the cpu light coming on randomly sometimes ( i cant find any pattern hence no help request & touch wood the audio as never stopped yet) but it can happen when your not even touching the controller which i do find odd. i thought i was efx related at first but like say it happens more when your not doing anything at all.


mac dual core i7 (2009 i think) 4GB ram osx 10.6.8)
djcrap 3:04 PM - 10 October, 2013
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1.6 will be public beta.


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might want to slide that out sooner than later.


The software isn't ready for Public Beta. It will be in December.


We know that it will be ready for public beta in dec. but it wouldn't hurt to roll out an early november private invite beta only to those who have so far logged help requests for 1.5.
dj lashes 8:17 PM - 10 October, 2013
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1.6 will be public beta.


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might want to slide that out sooner than later.


The software isn't ready for Public Beta. It will be in December.


We know that it will be ready for public beta in dec. but it wouldn't hurt to roll out an early november private invite beta only to those who have so far logged help requests for 1.5.



yeah then what.. Public Beta ---> Private beta ---> VIP beta ----> Vvip Beta ----> Gold Beta
Super DjRobby 8:25 PM - 10 October, 2013
Just did the serato dj 1.5 update and starting having problems.. Video problems and it crashed on me yesterday.. does anyone had this problem??

Please help..

Thank you
deejdave 8:59 PM - 10 October, 2013
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1.6 will be public beta.


This is correct :)


might want to slide that out sooner than later.


The software isn't ready for Public Beta. It will be in December.


We know that it will be ready for public beta in dec. but it wouldn't hurt to roll out an early november private invite beta only to those who have so far logged help requests for 1.5.



yeah then what.. Public Beta ---> Private beta ---> VIP beta ----> Vvip Beta ----> Gold Beta


Exactly^^^ Bottom line it would bring on more problems than it could potentially solve. Again a Beta is NOT something you should be using professionally so in what way could this help those suffering from any issues as of right now? Let's see do people want this beta so it solves the small issues they have right now (which we don't even know if 1.6 will address) or do they really want to have access to their SL boxes before anyone?
maviccf 9:02 PM - 10 October, 2013
1.5 should have been a beta to avoid all these issues. Why make 1.6 public a beta if 1.5 is full of bugs.
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Agree - 1.5 works like a Beta version
maviccf 9:05 PM - 10 October, 2013
1.5 has a few good and needed new things but has a lot of downgrades, honestly the serato team is more focus on coverage than efficiency.
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Agree - 1.5 works like a Beta version

Tell that to the people who will be picking up their DJM-900SRT's and Rane 64's and DDj-SP1's and CDJ-2000's & CDJ-2000 Nexus's. I have four out of the 5 mentioned and trust me when I say this. It is more than a beta.

This is not a biased opinion either because I too am suffering from critical issues while using SDJ when prior to this update I NEVER did. About 3 hours or so of using my CDJ-2000 Nexus's with SDJ they become unresponsive and/or the software crashes. The point being the features added (hardware wise) is great enough to consider it a full release. I am confidant that my DJM-900SRT (which will be here in two days) will work as intended and to me the addition of these industry standard and by far the superior SDJ interfaces (Rane 64 & 900SRT) shadows simple color changes and or cue point names. I AM NOT saying they are not wanted and some even needed but it does warrant a full release.

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This is true unfortunately with almost every company out there. I feel someone Serato or Pioneer needs to take a step back and say let's get everything up to par before we add any new members to the family. Rane is a company that tends to release & support as intended but this practice needs to be spread like a virus. The fact that Pioneer KNOWS where their products lie in the DJ community is dangerous and in recent years has been nothing but its downfall. YESI own the CDJ-2000 Nexus's, DJM900 Nexus, DDJ-SX and the DJM-900SRT as well as the SP1 are on their way. One would think I am a fanboy stuck in utter ignorant bliss but one would be wrong. While I respect what they have created as well as what they offer that does NOT mean I do not wish for and sometimes expect more from them.


Back to the subject at hand. I feel 1.5 has its flaws but brought enough to the table to be taken seriously as well as appreciated. I know at least one individual who is VERY grateful. That being said I have my list of features I want to see in future releases as well as bugs that 1.5 brought on but as the .4, .5 & .6 suggests this is ONE step at a time.
DjCity 11:09 PM - 10 October, 2013
What I think of 1.5

Delete it and use 1.3

To me, 1.5 is worthless and is doing nothing but taking up space on my laptop.

I have been using 1.3 since my earlier post.

I can't use 1.5 out at gigs so what's the point of having it?
Tested it to death and I mean I tested 1.5 to it's death.
It's dead!

I have to go through my music that I have played in 1.5 because at last night's show, I played a track that WAS good but when I played it last night, it broke up in the middle of the song like a corrupt file.

This track was NOT corrupt before 1.5.
Dj Nyce 11:49 PM - 10 October, 2013
the reason i would like to see a 1.6 beta release earlier than December is so that you have more time to identify, triage and resolve bugs. i mean 1.5 has only been out for a few weeks and mad bugs and show stoppers have been discovered. imagine if there was a 1.5 beta.

1.6 is going to be unique in that a whole new user base that may have never even used itch or serato dj is coming over. the bug count, rants, user error, whining is about to hit an astronomical level never seen before by serato. every week counts.
maviccf 11:51 PM - 10 October, 2013
Also I've got a crash today using 1.3, which means 1.5 does something to the data base that does not play ok with 1.3 , I tried to recreate the scenario but did not crash.
I am gonna have to start a new library since this is a random issue with 1.5 affecting files and libraries.
As a matter of fact, I have been creating new libraries after every major update from serato
or every 2 updates. And I mean totally fresh libraries from from ground zero.
maviccf 11:51 PM - 10 October, 2013
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Joee 11:57 PM - 10 October, 2013
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1.6 is going to be unique in that a whole new user base that may have never even used itch or serato dj is coming over. the bug count, rants, user error, whining is about to hit an astronomical level never seen before by serato. every week counts.

this right here when i first starting using serato dj i have a group of videos that kept crashing the software, the video did not show as corrupt but i knew it was the videos (from the latinosunidos pool)....... they play perfect in scratchlive

so i recoded them not something you want to do, but if i wanted to play them in SDJ i had to and no more crashes, point is i know what i'm doing so no crying here

but what about the people that don't know.......i here the crying now......weeehhhhhhhh
FabulousFrequencies 12:17 AM - 11 October, 2013
I don't think this release was for much more than ensuring there was support for the SR launch this month. Whatever they got brewing for 1.6 isn't coming till Christmas, but the SR is coming NOW. So they gotta toss version support out there for it.

Just remember kids. life wasn't so bad till Pioneer came along. hahaha. I think Pioneer and Serato are taking a page out of Gibsons playbook - Kill the product line or make you wish they would.

Ok, ok, ok.. I'm done makin jokes.

I think 1.6 will have a few changes and then we'll begin the laborous debugging process for a few versions. I'm stickin with ITCH, suits me well. But i'll be peekin in on SDJ as they drop releases.
Joee 12:22 AM - 11 October, 2013
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I don't think this release was for much more than ensuring there was support for the SR launch this month. Whatever they got brewing for 1.6 isn't coming till Christmas, but the SR is coming NOW. So they gotta toss version support out there for it.

Just remember kids. life wasn't so bad till Pioneer came along. hahaha. I think Pioneer and Serato are taking a page out of Gibsons playbook - Kill the product line or make you wish they would.

Ok, ok, ok.. I'm done makin jokes.

I think 1.6 will have a few changes and then we'll begin the laborous debugging process for a few versions. I'm stickin with ITCH, suits me well. But i'll be peekin in on SDJ as they drop releases.

those vidz i was talking about crashed in itch too, only scratch live played them

as far as all being good till pioneer came hmmmmmmmmm,got me thinking should i have bought a ddj sr?

i use a vci 380 without issues
FabulousFrequencies 12:53 AM - 11 October, 2013
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those vidz i was talking about crashed in itch too, only scratch live played them

as far as all being good till pioneer came hmmmmmmmmm,got me thinking should i have bought a ddj sr?

i use a vci 380 without issues


Pre 2.0 versions of ITCH? I think prior to SDJ's launch they started preparing for segments of the code base for SDJ by merging some into the later versions of ITCH. Speculation of course, but it's when a lot of similar things began near the crossover time. Or perhaps with each version came more resource consumption, and now it's just over the top. I have every version of ITCH archived, and the installer for 1.7 is like 1/3rd the size of 2.0's or something to that effect. At any rate, the trouble is here and it's starting to hit close to home for even the staunchest Serato loyalists. I don't mind a progression from ITCH in the least, but i've been against how it's been 'handled' from day 1.

I'm a Vestax guy myself. I own a LOT of gear (Slut all day), and I firmly believe a pieces workflow is very personal to a user. My preferred workflow remains the vci300 despite numerous other chances given to other gear. Now, the VCI has it's known quarks, but I mod all mine to get it out of the way up front. Just 2 nights ago I stopped in GC and found one buried on the clearance table for 149.99. Even God wasn't stopping me from walking out with it. It's in the closet right now, I don't even care. I know what I paid for my first one, second one, and what others pay to this day. That was too obscenely low a price to walk past. Before I even used it, I took it apart, made the mods, then fired it up for a practice session. Everything was good, back in the box, into the hoarding closet it went. Now I know I can count, absolutely COUNT on that unit in the future. I use a stable software version, optimized laptop, and know what i'm working with.

Most people who struggle never take the time to make their current controller a home. They don't clean up their music archives, busted tags everywhere, cross linked crates and such. The laptops are not optimized so maybe they ride the edge of performance on one version, then a newer resource hungry version comes along and now their hands are in the air. Then they change gear like they change clothes not even spending the time on it to develop a 2nd nature muscle memory for the layout that greatly helps with comfort of use.

Then.. (and this is the BEST part)

Then they have everything mentioned above ^^^ and they TAKE IT TO A LIVE GIG.

Would a cop carry a gun they just bought on the way to work? People have every right to be upset about the current SDJ situation, but the cats that do this are a whole other can of worms around here. I just don't understand them at all.
Joee 12:58 AM - 11 October, 2013
^ no it was the latest version on itch, i'm on the 380 not the 300, so i had to use a newer version, the 380 does not work with older version


and why the hell have you not updated to a 380, man it's sooooo much better than the 300, you can find it new for $460
FabulousFrequencies 1:08 AM - 11 October, 2013
and why the hell have you not updated to a 380, man it's sooooo much better than the 300, you can find it new for $460

I agree the 380 is a sweet unit, but the pads are not for me. I use an akai xr-20 with a vfx-1 & vci300. I have more than enough to be dangerous and keeping the system semi-modular gives me some additional freedoms that I like.
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Martin C 1:12 AM - 11 October, 2013
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the reason i would like to see a 1.6 beta release earlier than December is so that you have more time to identify, triage and resolve bugs. i mean 1.5 has only been out for a few weeks and mad bugs and show stoppers have been discovered. imagine if there was a 1.5 beta.

1.6 is going to be unique in that a whole new user base that may have never even used itch or serato dj is coming over. the bug count, rants, user error, whining is about to hit an astronomical level never seen before by serato. every week counts.


I couldn't agree with you more, so we are certainly working our hardest to achieve that, but we definitely couldn't put the release into public beta with half implemented hardware support.
nik39 1:40 AM - 11 October, 2013
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Tell that to the people who will be picking up their DJM-900SRT's and Rane 64's and DDj-SP1's and CDJ-2000's & CDJ-2000 Nexus's. I have four out of the 5 mentioned and trust me when I say this. It is more than a beta.

This is not a biased opinion either because I too am suffering from critical issues while using SDJ when prior to this update I NEVER did. About 3 hours or so of using my CDJ-2000 Nexus's with SDJ they become unresponsive and/or the software crashes. The point being the features added (hardware wise) is great enough to consider it a full release.

To me it seems like you're contradicting yourself. If the CDJ's freeze for you (BTW, have you started a help thread about this, otherwise Serato won't be able to help?) then there is a lot work to be done. Such a behaviour of a final version is of course not desired/acceptable. I guess with 1.6 and the Public Beta a lot more people will be involved, which will make this more difficult, but also we should get more and broader coverage. I am pretty sure that if it was know that there are crashes, then Serato and Rane and Pioneer would not had released this version, otherwise it would damage their reputation.
djcrap 2:09 AM - 11 October, 2013
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1.6 will be public beta.


This is correct :)


might want to slide that out sooner than later.


The software isn't ready for Public Beta. It will be in December.


We know that it will be ready for public beta in dec. but it wouldn't hurt to roll out an early november private invite beta only to those who have so far logged help requests for 1.5.



yeah then what.. Public Beta ---> Private beta ---> VIP beta ----> Vvip Beta ----> Gold Beta


Exactly^^^ Bottom line it would bring on more problems than it could potentially solve. Again a Beta is NOT something you should be using professionally so in what way could this help those suffering from any issues as of right now? Let's see do people want this beta so it solves the small issues they have right now (which we don't even know if 1.6 will address) or do they really want to have access to their SL boxes before anyone?


^^^^^Such a state of mind or thinking is only common with bedroom djs or people who only started djing when itch or serato dj was introduced. Basically they wouldnt understand the benefit of an early private beta. I rest my case

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the reason i would like to see a 1.6 beta release earlier than December is so that you have more time to identify, triage and resolve bugs. i mean 1.5 has only been out for a few weeks and mad bugs and show stoppers have been discovered. imagine if there was a 1.5 beta.

1.6 is going to be unique in that a whole new user base that may have never even used itch or serato dj is coming over. the bug count, rants, user error, whining is about to hit an astronomical level never seen before by serato. every week counts.
deejdave 2:21 AM - 11 October, 2013
It is not a contradiction but more of an appreciation in the midst of imperfection. Is 1.5 perfect? NO. I do wish the release was 100% stable but I already figured a workaround on my own (hence not opening a help request) so I have reason to be thankful I CAN use my Nexus's with SDJ. They are aware of the bug as it is not user specific. Opening a help request would just add to the already known users suffering from this.

Serato I feel knows they have no choice BUT to do this with a public beta. I know this past release was for the Rane 64 & the DJM-900SRT but make no mistake this next release will be for the SL boxes and I feel they will have their work cut out for them. Like NYCE said a whole new group of users is about to be exposed to SDJ. Luckily there is time for all the Vet's to slowly transition over and i hope they take the opportunity.
hologram 5:34 AM - 11 October, 2013
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the reason i would like to see a 1.6 beta release earlier than December is so that you have more time to identify, triage and resolve bugs. i mean 1.5 has only been out for a few weeks and mad bugs and show stoppers have been discovered. imagine if there was a 1.5 beta.

1.6 is going to be unique in that a whole new user base that may have never even used itch or serato dj is coming over. the bug count, rants, user error, whining is about to hit an astronomical level never seen before by serato. every week counts.


I couldn't agree with you more, so we are certainly working our hardest to achieve that, but we definitely couldn't put the release into public beta with half implemented hardware support.


1.3 and SSL work fine for me in production. I look at 1.5 through 1.6 as the next gen. I need to make sure I have solid test plans for the gear and the software and that the test plans are passed before I move these "NEW" tools into production. Given that I would appreciate an early release for the same reasons stated above.
deejdave 5:51 AM - 11 October, 2013
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1.3 and SSL work fine for me in production. I look at 1.5 through 1.6 as the next gen. I need to make sure I have solid test plans for the gear and the software and that the test plans are passed before I move these "NEW" tools into production. Given that I would appreciate an early release for the same reasons stated above.



Your reasoning is spot on and exactly the way you should be thinking of it. I feel people are forgetting that what you are describing is EXACTLY what is happening. The 1.6 release in December IS a beta and is being released exactly for that reason. The full 1.6 is not being released until Feb. 2014. This means that Serato is releasing a "test version" almost three months prior to actual release for testing purposes. I am starting to get the feeling that because it was a release date was given prior to it is being thought of as an actual release and thus is being anticipated (and rightly so) accordingly.

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I am not trying to pick at you but isn't the three months prior to actual release exactly what you are asking for? Remember 1.6 Beta Dec 2013 & 1.6 Release Feb 2014. This gives you 3 months to d exactly what you speak of. Not only that but being it is a public beta (instead of a private beta) it exposes the release to the maximum amount of scenarios (eg hardware setups, play style, software setups, etc.) being EVERYONE will essentially be working on testing.
Kristian Valdini 6:58 AM - 11 October, 2013
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Just using with the SX so far (no plan to go Nexus until I hear it is bullet proof - which may be sometime I suspect!)... overall everything seems to be working fine for me (2012 MBP) as you would expect, still getting used to the blue tracks tho :)

Couple of points:

Has the track overview above the decks been reduced... had to do a double-take a few times to see where the track marker was on the waveform?

Also seemed like my tracks were a little 'hotter' - some started pushing the red when previously all were capped around the 1st/2nd yellow bar on the channel signal?

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dj lashes 7:50 AM - 11 October, 2013
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might want to slide that out sooner than later.


The software isn't ready for Public Beta. It will be in December.


We know that it will be ready for public beta in dec. but it wouldn't hurt to roll out an early november private invite beta only to those who have so far logged help requests for 1.5.



yeah then what.. Public Beta ---> Private beta ---> VIP beta ----> Vvip Beta ----> Gold Beta


Exactly^^^ Bottom line it would bring on more problems than it could potentially solve. Again a Beta is NOT something you should be using professionally so in what way could this help those suffering from any issues as of right now? Let's see do people want this beta so it solves the small issues they have right now (which we don't even know if 1.6 will address) or do they really want to have access to their SL boxes before anyone?


^^^^^Such a state of mind or thinking is only common with bedroom djs or people who only started djing when itch or serato dj was introduced. Basically they wouldnt understand the benefit of an early private beta. I rest my case

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the reason i would like to see a 1.6 beta release earlier than December is so that you have more time to identify, triage and resolve bugs. i mean 1.5 has only been out for a few weeks and mad bugs and show stoppers have been discovered. imagine if there was a 1.5 beta.

1.6 is going to be unique in that a whole new user base that may have never even used itch or serato dj is coming over. the bug count, rants, user error, whining is about to hit an astronomical level never seen before by serato. every week counts.


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let me unrest your case..
Ive been blazing clubs from 1995.. from Vinyl never really touched CDs apart from the odd few tracks that i needed last min, after about 2 years with scratch moved over to itch with the vci300 and now got a few controllers to mess with.. I own 2 night clubs and a bar, my PA / sound system is well let just say very big (26 bass boxes 26 mid/tops boxes) & 6 amp racks... I dj 6 days a week some times 7 with anything from 6 - 18 shows a week thats 3 club each night and i only stop for a brake for 30 days each year..
So veryyyyyyyyyyy far from a bedroom dj or someone who started last week
clearblu 3:08 PM - 11 October, 2013
1.5 has run smoothly for me under some harsh testing and been rock solid on both laptops with zero crashes. I had a feeling with Sdj covering such a large number of controllers that things would get 'difficult' for everyone getting things the way they need it. I've never heard of so many Macs suffering from failures so (for some) this would be a priority as Windows 8 support is to others. As for a game of who's the better dj it doesn't matter where you play or at what level,we are all Serato users and all need it to work whether doing a wedding or main set in a club. I'd trust Sdj as its earnt its stripes on stability,it just can't replace Itch.......Yet
Mark Quest 3:11 PM - 11 October, 2013
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What should I report? Turn 1.5.0 up and wait for any random crash?


Whoah..

that dude is pissed!! I've never seen ANYONE get so snarky & upset over a Dj software update lol.. i wish you could purchase virtual gifts on this forum & give them to people.. I'd be be like "1 x Pacifier, stat!"
Green looks cool on SSL but I doubt it will make the migration to SDJ, and Red would definitely be a lot harder to read than blue, green or grey IMO. Everything you said was TL;DR.

Valium. look into it
Mark Quest 3:19 PM - 11 October, 2013


Ha! :D

genuinely LOL'd

+1 internets for you
Mark Quest 3:22 PM - 11 October, 2013
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well - I`d love to stop and play , but TBH I`m bored now,
Enjoy your hangover.

i will, enjoy serato dj crashing on you YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!


oh man, this thread just keeps on giving.

Joee you rock brah
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well - I`d love to stop and play , but TBH I`m bored now,
Enjoy your hangover.

i will, enjoy serato dj crashing on you YEAHHHHHHH!!!!!


oh man, this thread just keeps on giving.

Joee you rock brah

why thank you sir, i had fun that night......;)
deejdave 8:33 PM - 11 October, 2013
@ Lashes. I figured take the high road and simply ignore someone like that. There was nothing to gain in that comment. NYCE made a good point that was well taken. Crap not so much. Neither of us are new to the forums nor are we new to DJing. I have been called a purist and old school but NEVER a bedroom DJ. LOL. Figures I start really interacting in the Serato DJ as apposed to the SSL forums and BOOM. LMAO. @ Lashes. You got NOTHING to prove to anyone let alone someone is saying we haven't been around her long enough to know how things work yet somehow in all their wisdom believe there is a chance that Serato WILL roll out a uber secret, VIP GOLD status, Elite Pre-Beta Version ONLY for those who opened help requests. How many help requests would be opened immediately after hearing that news? Also MANY who have help requests open because they have no idea what they are doing (not all but MANY) so I have an idea let's put a beta in the hands of these people and ignore the people like for instance me who have had issues but was able to figure a workaround out on my own.......................... I'm the inexperienced hobbyist here?


Like I said it would create more issues than it would solve. The reasons NYCE brought up for wanting to get it out as early as possible are sound. This is why Serato is doing a public beta 3 months prior to actual release. THREE MONTHS of nothing but testing and banging out any/all bugs by the community at large is a very good step towards ensuring a stable release come Feb.

1.5 as a release has brought some things to the table as well as created new issues. This is all progress to me as I know ALL will be addressed. In regards to the imperfections I just see no benefit in bashing the software or the team who developed it. I simply see no gain in that. Help requests (which DO get answered, logged, & often instantly solved) are a way to go, discussing is a way to go, adapting is another way to go. At times I feel like people take a release the adds support to a piece of hardware THEY DON"T OWN as a step backwards which is not the case. As I was trying to say earlier there are some who have had NO PREVIOUS ISSUES with their hardware or the software in regards to SDJ and welcome new hardware additions especially if they own them. There is some to appreciate what is being done and it's not by being unaware of what's going on to other people but more of like I said an appreciation in the midst of imperfection.

In regards to 1.6 I do feel a reminder is necessary. Although I HOPE all problems are addressed I feel many EXPECT all their problems to go away with 1.6. Instead of getting pissed that THEIR issues are not fixed day one I hope every individual takes advantage of the Beta and gets their problems address accordingly. That's what a the beta is for.
dj lashes 2:34 AM - 12 October, 2013
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@ Lashes. I figured take the high road and simply ignore someone like that. There was nothing to gain in that comment. NYCE made a good point that was well taken. Crap not so much. Neither of us are new to the forums nor are we new to DJing. I have been called a purist and old school but NEVER a bedroom DJ. LOL. Figures I start really interacting in the Serato DJ as apposed to the SSL forums and BOOM. LMAO. @ Lashes. You got NOTHING to prove to anyone let alone someone is saying we haven't been around her long enough to know how things work yet somehow in all their wisdom believe there is a chance that Serato WILL roll out a uber secret, VIP GOLD status, Elite Pre-Beta Version ONLY for those who opened help requests. How many help requests would be opened immediately after hearing that news? Also MANY who have help requests open because they have no idea what they are doing (not all but MANY) so I have an idea let's put a beta in the hands of these people and ignore the people like for instance me who have had issues but was able to figure a workaround out on my own.......................... I'm the inexperienced hobbyist here?


Like I said it would create more issues than it would solve. The reasons NYCE brought up for wanting to get it out as early as possible are sound. This is why Serato is doing a public beta 3 months prior to actual release. THREE MONTHS of nothing but testing and banging out any/all bugs by the community at large is a very good step towards ensuring a stable release come Feb.

1.5 as a release has brought some things to the table as well as created new issues. This is all progress to me as I know ALL will be addressed. In regards to the imperfections I just see no benefit in bashing the software or the team who developed it. I simply see no gain in that. Help requests (which DO get answered, logged, & often instantly solved) are a way to go, discussing is a way to go, adapting is another way to go. At times I feel like people take a release the adds support to a piece of hardware THEY DON"T OWN as a step backwards which is not the case. As I was trying to say earlier there are some who have had NO PREVIOUS ISSUES with their hardware or the software in regards to SDJ and welcome new hardware additions especially if they own them. There is some to appreciate what is being done and it's not by being unaware of what's going on to other people but more of like I said an appreciation in the midst of imperfection.

In regards to 1.6 I do feel a reminder is necessary. Although I HOPE all problems are addressed I feel many EXPECT all their problems to go away with 1.6. Instead of getting pissed that THEIR issues are not fixed day one I hope every individual takes advantage of the Beta and gets their problems address accordingly. That's what a the beta is for.

well said mate..
Guillaume645 2:57 PM - 12 October, 2013
Hi !

This is unacceptable ! With Serato DJ 1.5.0 and OS X 10.8.5 and my DDJ SX, I have 4 crashes in one party ! You absolutely need to fix this problem! And provide a stable version of Serato DJ.
nik39 3:42 PM - 12 October, 2013
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This is unacceptable ! With Serato DJ 1.5.0 and OS X 10.8.5 and my DDJ SX, I have 4 crashes in one party ! You absolutely need to fix this problem! And provide a stable version of Serato DJ.

Did you open up a support ticket/help thread? Did you also provide a crash log?
LJ_WOOLSEY 3:46 PM - 12 October, 2013
You can always go back to an older version that worked better for you until the issues you are having in 1.5 are fixed.

Click here for ALL versions of Serato DJ --> serato.com
DjCity 3:52 PM - 12 October, 2013
Did you test BEFORE using 1.5 at a LIVE gig?

Did you check the boards here on the forum to see if people were having any issues with 1.5?

If you had, you might have saved yourself some headaches. If you did test and check for issues before using 1.5 and used it anyway....
RMAN 3:59 PM - 12 October, 2013
I think I will go back to an older version. I tested my hardware with the new serato several days... But I had a crash last week with SDJ 1.5/Macbook Pro during a live set in club. (OF COURSE... I WAS LIKE 'OMG! ')... Anyway, it was ok after rebooting but that's NOT PROFESIONNAL and UNACCEPTABLE for a software such as Serato.


Moreover I don't like the deleted features (like the save button). For me, a new version means -> ADDING (not DELETING) extra functionalities and IMPROVEMENT of products... Right ?


Please SERATO TEAM, could you release quickly a new REAL version (NOT A BETA VERSION LIKE YOUR SDJ 1.5) or a fix with all the relevant requests of profesionnal users made above ?
clearblu 7:00 PM - 12 October, 2013
Well week 2 of non stop testing and generally thrashing it I had a issue after leaving it running overnight re-analysing a large crate,came to it this morning and even though it was unresponsive (no spinning wheel tho) it was still running in task and was showing 3246 tracks to be analyzed (out of 5432)
. I shut down and restarted and only had 500 or so still to do so Sdj was still running and must have been some graphical or display refresh issue-no biggie in the grand scale of things. For me its been reliable and as a few forum members have pointed out coming up with solutions to make it smoother running is down to yourself or asking POLITELY.
One thing that is common on both O/S is the view of Sdj and core usage,horizontal uses the least processing power under testing.
Papa Midnight 8:00 PM - 12 October, 2013
I've tried it on Windows 7 and OS X 10.8.4 without issue.

The thing is, I just don't like it. With regards to the interface, I might be the only guy here who actually LIKES 1.3.
DjCity 8:05 PM - 12 October, 2013
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I've tried it on Windows 7 and OS X 10.8.4 without issue.

The thing is, I just don't like it. With regards to the interface, I might be the only guy here who actually LIKES 1.3.



You ain't the only one.
clearblu 9:23 PM - 12 October, 2013
@Papamidnight.
I installed Sdj on my MacBook (non pro) and my Hp very similar specs (2.4g,4g ram) and apart from smoother waveforms on my Mac and slightly less ram use (core usage is around the same) there is very little diffrence. How do yours stack up side by side?
I don't want a mac vs pc debate just value your opinion as you use both.
Nice one
deejdave 11:42 PM - 12 October, 2013
I would think a MacBook (no pro) as you said would perform in a very similar manner as compared to a current (2012 or newer) PC with 4 GB of RAM. Have you considered running more RAM on either Mac or PC. The real differences are seen with the higher end on both. Again NOT a Mac Vs. PC debate either as there is no point but just a way to show the one extreme to the other. It is easy to compare two mediocre (not a stab just an observation) products of two different platforms. The real comparison (IMO) would be machines of greater caliber. I DO have the Mac side (a 2012 2.9GHZ dual 16 GB RAM 250 GB SSD) but lack a decent PC to compare to as I only have a 2013 Dell 1.6 GHZ Dual with 8GB RAM. Obviosuly with my scenario the comparison is Night & day.
pdidy 2:34 AM - 13 October, 2013
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The real comparison (IMO) would be machines of greater caliber. I DO have the Mac side (a 2012 2.9GHZ dual 16 GB RAM 250 GB SSD) but lack a decent PC to compare to as I only have a 2013 Dell 1.6 GHZ Dual with 8GB RAM. Obviosuly with my scenario the comparison is Night & day.

Bootcamp your mac = perfect comparison.
deejdave 2:40 AM - 13 October, 2013
This is true. My secret is I am more interested in others doing this comparison and receiving the exact results we both know they will get LOL. SHHHHH..............
Papa Midnight 6:05 AM - 13 October, 2013
There is no point in me reiterating it. At this point, I'm a the proverbial broken record when it comes to the Windows side of things (Mac vs PC sounds ridiculous to me. They're the same hardware - and PC means "Personal Computer", not Microsoft or Windows) as opposed to the OS X side of things.
dj lashes 7:07 AM - 13 October, 2013
Mac vs PC debate i agree is somehow ridiculous but i must had me lol a few times.. in the end it seems end up like this...
Mac users say Mac are best and there never going back to Win
Win users are on a war on Mac till they get one and opps never look back
Win super users tween there Win to the max and say you see i told it works without crashing

same old story .....
clearblu 9:30 AM - 13 October, 2013
I'm hearing you @Papa and @DeejDave. I don't have problems on either platform and was curious more than anything. And totally agree about shared hardware (its brought on so many arguments). From what people have said about running a Mac with Serato and its so much better/smoother I thought I would give it a go, but to be fair and honest the diffrence was negligible. On both machines it runs 100% just a diffrence with how smoothly the waveforms move
deejdave 4:11 PM - 13 October, 2013
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There is no point in me reiterating it. At this point, I'm a the proverbial broken record when it comes to the Windows side of things (Mac vs PC sounds ridiculous to me. They're the same hardware - and PC means "Personal Computer", not Microsoft or Windows) as opposed to the OS X side of things.



Before I say this I do agree with you. The term PC is more often used as the common (key word) vernacular and if you were to Wiki it (which far to often seems to be the recent deciding factor) you would find evidence to support this vernacular.

Personal computer, a computer whose original sales price, size, and capabilities make it useful for individuals. A personal computer that runs Microsoft Windows, as opposed to one that runs another operating system such as Macintosh or UNIX

Furthermore the slang dictionary term is:

Personal Computer - It stands for Personal Computer. Generally, this is a reference to an IBM clone and not a product of Apple Corp.

One definition leads toward NOT apple and the other leads toward specifically Micorsoft Windows. Both kind of kill the point here though.

It was also my understanding that there is more things going on different than just OS with Windows & Mac STARTING way before the OS. Starting with BIOS and OpenFirmware on the software side but the list goes ON & ON with the actual differences which DO include hardware as well. One of the articles I found that points out the key differences best is computer.howstuffworks.com

Brace yourself though as there are quite a lot. That being said I do NOT condone the bashing of PC's as they absolutely have their use. Furthermore I believe Serato does have a responsibility to support any/all devices they claim to support. I do however see a quicker & more efficient way to solve this problem. All that being said I was one of those that DJ lashes speaks about that wen Mac and will never look back (professionally at least) .

@ clearblu please remember the smoother waveforms are just what can bee seen visually and furthermore that smoother waveforms are telling you more than you think.

In the end everyone has the right to make their own decision and like I said I DO use PC and I would actually be upset if I didn't have my PC (Or windows as PaPa likes) laptops. I just choose to delegate which laptop's suit which purposes in my life best is all.
deejdave 4:14 PM - 13 October, 2013
That was just a friendly angle with no real I'm better points which I chose to include to hopefully inform without bash. I am sorry for the off-topic.

Please continue with your opinions supporting or slashing at the knees of Serato DJ 1.5.

Again with regards to 1.5 I agree it has its flaws but I was one of the lucky ones who have felt the positive effects of 1.5 and TBH the importance of what was ADDED farrrr outweighs the negatives (if any) that were brought on by this release.
DJ Quartz 4:25 PM - 13 October, 2013
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The thing is, I just don't like it. With regards to the interface, I might be the only guy here who actually LIKES 1.3.


I've been testing 1.5 and actually I do prefer the previous GUI. I liked the big sticker view panels and other things.

I know they are trying to make it more 'Scratch Live' like but I actually preferred the new look of SDJ.

Maybe they can implement another layout type SDJ Classic or something of that sort.
DJ Quartz 4:26 PM - 13 October, 2013
It will just take some getting used to.
deejdave 5:12 PM - 13 October, 2013
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Maybe they can implement another layout type SDJ Classic or something of that sort.

User selectable would be a great addition. There ar some that do in fact prefer it the way it is now. If the code is already made I see no harm in having the option for either available as long as neither side has to make any sacrifices at this point OR down the road.
dj lashes 3:44 AM - 14 October, 2013
if am not wrong the BLUE came from serato-Intro?
silvercue 9:49 PM - 14 October, 2013
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if am not wrong the BLUE came from serato-Intro?
yes serato intro has blue for played tracks.
DJ Quartz 11:37 PM - 14 October, 2013
New pitch n time released, will this make it into SDJ now?
the dj bobbydee 12:02 AM - 15 October, 2013
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1.6 will be public beta.




This is correct :)




might want to slide that out sooner than later.

Yo' Nyce,

This quote had me hollering for about a minute straight. I'm talking straight belly laughing bruh. That's comedy yo' . ;-)
DJ Launch 12:24 AM - 15 October, 2013
Anyone know how to unlock loops that were locked in previous versions of DJ?
Mr Wilks 12:44 AM - 15 October, 2013
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Anyone know how to unlock loops that were locked in previous versions of DJ?


It's a bug they are sorting for 1.6 so shouldn't be long.
DJ Launch 12:48 AM - 15 October, 2013
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It's a bug they are sorting for 1.6 so shouldn't be long.


That's a long time to wait to be able to fix saved loops - wow...

Oh well. I wish there weren't issues with down grading back to 1.3 :(
Dj Nyce 11:56 AM - 15 October, 2013
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1.6 will be public beta.




This is correct :)




might want to slide that out sooner than later.

Yo' Nyce,

This quote had me hollering for about a minute straight. I'm talking straight belly laughing bruh. That's comedy yo' . ;-)


the internet doesn't give it justice. the way i said it in my head was priceless.
dj lashes 1:15 PM - 15 October, 2013
lastnight was reading some other post where people say that SDJ crashes on startup and crashing while playing etc... so of the last few hrs i done my best to over load and push SDJ as hard as i could but i just could not get it to crash & burn i had few glitches playing 4 tracks same time in sync looping, hitting the sampler/FXs speed mixing .....so on and so on....

tried it on 2 MBP with Ns6, Vci300 & 380 somehow i ask myself am i just lucky or is the user doing something wrong..
DJ Quartz 1:36 PM - 15 October, 2013
There are bugs but wine does not crash whatsoever.

However, I can guarantee it's database related, and what OS are these users on?
dj lashes 2:07 PM - 15 October, 2013
OSX 10.8
deejdave 2:53 PM - 15 October, 2013
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There are bugs but wine does not crash whatsoever.

However, I can guarantee it's database related, and what OS are these users on?


In terms of actual crashing I couldn't agree more. I have NO issues whatsoever with the DDJ-SX (And hopefully not with my SRT which I will know for sure in a few hrs as it will be here) but I DO have issues when I plug in my CDJ-2000 Nexus's. I have found a workaround but the issues ARE there. They are not crashing issues though as in I can still play music as planned.................. just can't use the 2000's after about 4 hrs. of use as the screens no longer display what they are doing and the SDJ screen does not react accordingly. Basic transport controls still work 100% though.

I feel Quartz hit it on the head User error and furthermore the other unspoken issue that decides whether you will have success or problems before you even leave the store.
deejdave 2:56 PM - 15 October, 2013
Lashes can you sum up the problems being faced by OSx 10.8 users? I can easily read if not but in a nutshell furthermore which issues where you trying to replicate/duplicate?
dj lashes 3:03 PM - 15 October, 2013
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Lashes can you sum up the problems being faced by OSx 10.8 users? I can easily read if not but in a nutshell furthermore which issues where you trying to replicate/duplicate?

I cant sum problems by any 1 set of users i was more about the fact it seems like 1.5 is being made to sound like it does not work right hence crashing, not starting up etc... so i just tried my level best to over loud it and just keep running great..
clearblu 3:10 PM - 15 October, 2013
As I'm the more problem prone user (Windows) I feel the same way about Sdj, a few bugs but runs on BOTH my laptops smooth as butter. Just like other people have said a hell of a lot of the issues must be user based, I'm just not buying its down to luck. I'm not using Nexxus yet as II'm following the early adopters and their opinions/experiences. I've tried everything to make it crash from long idle periods,adjusting latency to induce the 'slow playing/ shutdown' issue some people are having,even bombarded it with unreasonable request on file loading and the instant no no of hotswapping. Even enabling known problem routines its still run even when core use has been ridiculously high
dj lashes 3:18 PM - 15 October, 2013
can some of you that are having problems like instant crashing on startup and am NOT SAYING YOUR LYING could you make a video clip of it would like to see if there looks to be a reason why which you maybe over looking..
deejdave 3:23 PM - 15 October, 2013
Ahh got ya. I only ask because I did a similar thing earlier in this post ..........


deejdave 11:08 PM - 1 October, 2013

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What machines are you guys using? I literally played ALLLL DAy trying the most daring crap. literally TRYING to overload the laptop, even doing stupid things like unplugging the HDD, plugging/unplugging the DDJ-SX USB quickly etc....................... literally nothing. COULD NOT create any issues. I even introduced the two CDJ-2000 Nexus's, was using an external HDD (I keep them below 1 TB for performance), serato remote app, using all four channels, and every kind of supported file type. Could not create ANY issues in over 9 hours of play!! I'm not bragging I am just curuous. I seriously wanted to be the first one to report an issue and/or be able to help with any possible solutions/workarounds for any bugs that DID come up. In the end I have seen some of the changes that users want changed back as reportable items but other than that I've got nothing. Before we go any further though what kind of machines are you using?


Since then I came across the CDJ issues I stated two posts up. This is a time issue though and it CAN be avoided. This doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed though.

@ Clearblu ....................... VERY smart take on the whole issue. I am currently in the market for two more CDJ's but WILL NOT execute until I know for sure the current models WILL be 100% with SDJ.

@ Lashes Last post BINGO!!! Try to get an overall glimpse of your crates as well as anything specific we need to know. EG how long into the set we are witnessing, what you have connected, what OS you are using, what version of ALL software, and what firmware you are on. If this happens I'm in. I am not saying I am a genius or perfect ................ at anything but I do know I am suffering from no issues (other than CDJ LOL) and will be happy to help anyone achieve the same goal.
dj lashes 3:31 PM - 15 October, 2013
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Ahh got ya. I only ask because I did a similar thing earlier in this post ..........


deejdave 11:08 PM - 1 October, 2013

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What machines are you guys using? I literally played ALLLL DAy trying the most daring crap. literally TRYING to overload the laptop, even doing stupid things like unplugging the HDD, plugging/unplugging the DDJ-SX USB quickly etc....................... literally nothing. COULD NOT create any issues. I even introduced the two CDJ-2000 Nexus's, was using an external HDD (I keep them below 1 TB for performance), serato remote app, using all four channels, and every kind of supported file type. Could not create ANY issues in over 9 hours of play!! I'm not bragging I am just curuous. I seriously wanted to be the first one to report an issue and/or be able to help with any possible solutions/workarounds for any bugs that DID come up. In the end I have seen some of the changes that users want changed back as reportable items but other than that I've got nothing. Before we go any further though what kind of machines are you using?


Since then I came across the CDJ issues I stated two posts up. This is a time issue though and it CAN be avoided. This doesn't mean it shouldn't be addressed though.

@ Clearblu ....................... VERY smart take on the whole issue. I am currently in the market for two more CDJ's but WILL NOT execute until I know for sure the current models WILL be 100% with SDJ.

@ Lashes Last post BINGO!!! Try to get an overall glimpse of your crates as well as anything specific we need to know. EG how long into the set we are witnessing, what you have connected, what OS you are using, what version of ALL software, and what firmware you are on. If this happens I'm in. I am not saying I am a genius or perfect ................ at anything but I do know I am suffering from no issues (other than CDJ LOL) and will be happy to help anyone achieve the same goal.

video really helps i had some issues back in the day and making a simple mobile phone video helped the team he to get my things in order (must say 99% on windows)
pdidy 4:00 PM - 15 October, 2013
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Lashes can you sum up the problems being faced by OSx 10.8 users? I can easily read if not but in a nutshell furthermore which issues where you trying to replicate/duplicate?

I cant sum problems by any 1 set of users i was more about the fact it seems like 1.5 is being made to sound like it does not work right hence crashing, not starting up etc... so i just tried my level best to over loud it and just keep running great..

yea this shit is weird, add me to the list of cant get my Mac's to crash. Obviously there's a major problem here with 1.5 but im confused as to WHY its not affecting either of my laptops ? Ive torture tested both of them(2008 mbp , 2011mba) while running them 3 days non stop, just doing stupid shit to them trying to get a crash but it just keeps running with no issues.
FabulousFrequencies 4:12 PM - 15 October, 2013
Maybe after the Serato crash they can leave the video record and open Traktor, VDJ, Mixvibes, Mixxx, Dekadance, Djay, or any other program with the same database and equipment plugged in. Just to show off they can allow i-tunes to import while i-tunes runs in the background along with a web browser open to Xhamster while donkey porn streams over the wifi they just re-enabled and Skype windows are flashing.

Serato provides instruction for uploading crash dumps. They just need to prepare the log or dump and start a help thread with it attached, and a lot of them have already. This whole scenario where the villagers begin to turn on the accusers feels very bad. If this is a user error issue, why are the same databases importing fine into other programs? Other programs that are still 32 bit BTW, some with larger installers and greater overall memory consumption yet they thread the tasks in a manner that does not cause a crash? A 'fix' that works for some people is to open a competitors program, import the database, wipe the database from Serato so it loads blank without crashing, and drag and drop files from THAT pograms crate browser INTO Serato!

OUTRAGEOUS!

But these 'work arounds' which are intended to be band aids until the problem is actually addressed seem to turn into permanent solutions while Serato sympathizers makes excuses. How can you call something a 'standard' when it sets absolutely zero bars any more? And don't even get me started on the arrogant approach to AMD, which BTW is poised to takeover the mobile market! You kids better update those dusty old INTEL COMPILERS that Intel LOST a law suit over a few years back for purposely fu**ing AMD compatibility. Yeah, the cats out of the bag on that one. You better get real comfortable with AMD instruction sets, because the GPU's are moving into Macbooks ASAP and the i-pad you dev for is gonna see the CPU one of these days as well. This whole 'we don't support a company that has been running along side Intel for nearly 5 DECADES' attitude isn't going to cut it. Start optimizing compiled code for specific processors, or generic cross compile.

This is turning into a BAD joke.
FabulousFrequencies 4:12 PM - 15 October, 2013
Maybe after the Serato crash they can leave the video record and open Traktor, VDJ, Mixvibes, Mixxx, Dekadance, Djay, or any other program with the same database and equipment plugged in. Just to show off they can allow i-tunes to import while i-tunes runs in the background along with a web browser open to Xhamster while donkey porn streams over the wifi they just re-enabled and Skype windows are flashing.

Serato provides instruction for uploading crash dumps. They just need to prepare the log or dump and start a help thread with it attached, and a lot of them have already. This whole scenario where the villagers begin to turn on the accusers feels very bad. If this is a user error issue, why are the same databases importing fine into other programs? Other programs that are still 32 bit BTW, some with larger installers and greater overall memory consumption yet they thread the tasks in a manner that does not cause a crash? A 'fix' that works for some people is to open a competitors program, import the database, wipe the database from Serato so it loads blank without crashing, and drag and drop files from THAT pograms crate browser INTO Serato!

OUTRAGEOUS!

But these 'work arounds' which are intended to be band aids until the problem is actually addressed seem to turn into permanent solutions while Serato sympathizers makes excuses. How can you call something a 'standard' when it sets absolutely zero bars any more? And don't even get me started on the arrogant approach to AMD, which BTW is poised to takeover the mobile market! You kids better update those dusty old INTEL COMPILERS that Intel LOST a law suit over a few years back for purposely fu**ing AMD compatibility. Yeah, the cats out of the bag on that one. You better get real comfortable with AMD instruction sets, because the GPU's are moving into Macbooks ASAP and the i-pad you dev for is gonna see the CPU one of these days as well. This whole 'we don't support a company that has been running along side Intel for nearly 5 DECADES' attitude isn't going to cut it. Start optimizing compiled code for specific processors, or generic cross compile.

This is turning into a BAD joke.
pdidy 4:20 PM - 15 October, 2013
^^^somebody must have kicked his sand castle this morning.......
clearblu 4:25 PM - 15 October, 2013
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^^^somebody must have kicked his sand castle this morning.......

Pmsl! :-)
FabulousFrequencies 4:29 PM - 15 October, 2013
You caught me before my 3rd cup of coffee :P That's the soothing cup :)

Serato is what happens when you subsidize something. Remember that folks.
FabulousFrequencies 7:21 PM - 15 October, 2013
Aformentioned citation source: downloadsquad.switched.com

And from: www.agner.org

' If programmers knew this fact they would probably use another compiler. Who wants to sell a piece of software that doesn't work well on AMD processors? '

Just wait..
Papa Midnight 7:50 PM - 15 October, 2013
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i was more about the fact it seems like 1.5 is being made to sound like it does not work right hence crashing, not starting up etc... so i just tried my level best to over loud it and just keep running great..

Let me be clear, that in the time I tested it, Serato DJ 1.5 ran to spec for me. Hell, it even fixed the Touchstrip issue the NS7 has on 1.3. I just don't like the interface, so I went back to 1.3.

Side note: OS X 10.8.4 on a Hackintosh (High level: Core 2 Duo T9800 + 4GB of DDR2 800 RAM + GTX 260M).

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add me to the list of cant get my Mac's to crash. Obviously there's a major problem here with 1.5 but im confused as to WHY its not affecting either of my laptops ? Ive torture tested both of them(2008 mbp , 2011mba) while running them 3 days non stop, just doing stupid shit to them trying to get a crash but it just keeps running with no issues.

What he said.
Serato, Moderator
Samuel S 9:29 PM - 15 October, 2013
Hey guys,

We're aware that there's probably some issues somewhere causing some of these crashes that we are finding on Mac with high spec computers. We have a team looking into every crash report that's being uploaded at the moment with the intention of fixing this as quickly as possible.

Stability is our #1 concern and we are taking this very seriously.

Having said that. It's not everyone having crashes and in fact, is a small proportion of our entire user base. Maybe a little more than normal though for this update.

I would stress again, that if you are experiencing any crashes to please start a new help request and attach full computer specs, steps to reproduce the crash (if possible) and a crash report. That will help us get to the bottom of any issues as quickly as we can.

Thanks team.

Sam.
deejdave 10:12 PM - 15 October, 2013
Just got the DJM-900SRT in. The first thing I did was hook it up to Traktor in which it works exactly the way the 900 (which i still have) does. You can even use the DJM-900SRT as a soundcard for BOTH programs at the same time with 2 (SDJ) & 2 (Traktor) configuration of channels or 3 & 1 etc. I ran it for two hrs like that (half n half) with no issues. It even lets you play SDJ & Traktor through the same output. It gets realy confusing like that but technically you could push 8 music sources (4 from SDJ & 4 from traktor) out of the 4 outputs. I am still messing around with more but that was my 2 confirmation that I guessed correct so far. Furthermore the mixer came with control vinyl as well which I didn't think it would. Getting more fun FYI's together and will have an update..

First impression................................ I LOVE IT!!

BTW DJM-900Nexus for sale LOL . I mean there is literally N-O-T-H-I-N-G this mixer can't do that the nexus can so.....................
Papa Midnight 11:57 PM - 15 October, 2013
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Stability is our #1 concern and we are taking this very seriously.

Not for nothing, Samuel S: Please don't take this the wrong way - especially as you've been involved in this topic as well - and I appreciate any and all help offered/given in it, but... serato.com

It's been 2 years that we've been reporting this; and it gets harder and harder to hear that it's being looked at, or that stability is the number 1 concern, and bugs that affect stability such as this do not get addressed. I understand the breadth of the issue as much as any of you guys, but I also know how I feel as a consumer.

Thanks for your continued support in helping us out and raising our issues to those who need to see them.
Serato, Moderator
Samuel S 12:06 AM - 16 October, 2013
Papa, we also have a lot of work planned in the development backlog to address this. It's been affecting users for a while and we haven't just been sitting and ignoring it trust me. The work we have done in bringing Serato DJ into being as our primary platform for development has allowed us to get to this point where we can do work on the library to improve and support users experience with very large libraries.

I'll of course let our actions speak louder than my words though and hope that when we do make the improvements it helps you all :)

Sam.
Mr. Goodkat 12:42 AM - 16 October, 2013
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Just got the DJM-900SRT in. The first thing I did was hook it up to Traktor in which it works exactly the way the 900 (which i still have) does. You can even use the DJM-900SRT as a soundcard for BOTH programs at the same time with 2 (SDJ) & 2 (Traktor) configuration of channels or 3 & 1 etc. I ran it for two hrs like that (half n half) with no issues. It even lets you play SDJ & Traktor through the same output. It gets realy confusing like that but technically you could push 8 music sources (4 from SDJ & 4 from traktor) out of the 4 outputs. I am still messing around with more but that was my 2 confirmation that I guessed correct so far. Furthermore the mixer came with control vinyl as well which I didn't think it would. Getting more fun FYI's together and will have an update..

First impression................................ I LOVE IT!!

BTW DJM-900Nexus for sale LOL . I mean there is literally N-O-T-H-I-N-G this mixer can't do that the nexus can so.....................


when i played with the 900 nexus, to me Ts2 sounded better than out of a z2 or soundcard, how does the sound match up to ssl boxes??
deejdave 12:51 AM - 16 October, 2013
That is a fine question. Fortunately I have it hooked up to Audax speakers which are french 13" woofers (actual 13") and it sounds way better than DDJ-SX and I think as good as Rane box. I will play with it some more to get full range of sounds and get back to you with a full report on actual sound tomorrow.
FabulousFrequencies 1:31 AM - 16 October, 2013
I've always been fond of Audax. Still have a closet full of hp080m0 drivers I planned to do arrays with. That said just using a pair of decent speakers doesn't constitute a proper a/b comparison. The rane and the SX for example are both 24 bit. It may actually be outside components affecting your overall impressions.
deejdave 1:54 AM - 16 October, 2013
which lead me to my statement "I will get back to you tomorrow" as you are dead on and exactly why I said "I think as good" and so on. I will be fully testing this with as many variables as I can think of tomorrow during the day. The studio I have has a few different setups but the Audax's I have are the truest to sound reproduction I can get and have an amazing range. Obviously to fully test them I will have to connect as is with no external units (EQ's, processor's or even gain's) and all pots set on 0. In the end this will be all based on opinion as it's not like I have a meter that tells me what is best.

@ FF regarding the Aydax's you speak of. Are they 3" and did you pick them up from madisound when they had them on closeout? I grabbed some 8" audax's and a few focals at that same time if so.
FabulousFrequencies 2:07 AM - 16 October, 2013
Those would be the ones, Sir. I couldn't pass them up at the price they blew them out at. I have 8 in the closet. Want any? Hahahaha.

Honestly, yes, testing by ear is always subject to even the smallest details, such as your own personal hearing abilities. I had my hearing tested about 3 years ago last and have a printout of my 'curve'. I am using it to actually tune my room around it next. I wonder how many people actually take that into account when doing studio setup? I have a few db drop in my left ear in the vocal range (I forget the details and the paper is in my files) Once the room is RTA'd, then I get to work replicating an inverse version of the hearing curve to essentially flatten around my own deficits. It doesn't get any truer than that.

But then someone with horrible hearing in that range will listen to the mix and complain. There is no winning, best to just run some HEAVILY layered tracks through it and check for transient distortion, separation, and listening fatigue in hopes flaws will manifest in those ways. When using 24-bit+ DAC's for listening tests your biggest enemy will be the source material as the majority of it is still 16-bit with an up and quickly approaching share of 24 bit material. See if you can find lossless material mixed down on 24 bit gear as well. Things should start to stand out well then.
deejdave 2:37 AM - 16 October, 2013
Tempting. You aint kidding about the prices. I mean they were selling them off at prices that could not be ignored. At the time i needed 5" woofers and almost got them but I saw the sale too late. Oh well. If i find a need i will let you know. Again you are dead on with your plans on the setup. Honestly I did not go that far into my setup. It all started for me with the foam panels. I got my hands on about 8 boxes of the real stuff. When I say real I'm talking government real. They were purchased for use at Brookhaven National Laboratories in which I was working at as a carpenter. They are not only the expensive foa material but they are variable shape & sized (the Nasa room in Armageddon comes to mind here) and white in color. I would have NEVER been able to afford them as they cost $600 a box which contains 8 24 x 24" panels. well long story short we finished the project up (which was an earthquake, nuke proof, radio frequency blocking, EMP proof chamber about 15' x 15' and 20' high, encased in a sound proof room about 20' x 20' and 23' high underground................ really crazy stuff) and we over estimated with materials. At that point the government instead of returning and getting some of the money back (this is tax payers dollars paying for this stuff mind you) they were going to throw it all away. Me being the DJ dude says.............................. uhhhh i'll be right back LOL. Sooooo that's where my room started. I will be moving into my first owned home (as I rent a house at the moment) next June and will have the opportunity to really get into designing & building for myself ................... finally and I will have the opportunity to really spec out a proper sound room. In terms of source yeah I figured only use the lossless content and just try for a true range. I will be testing against the Rane DDJ-SX with SDJ and SL4, SL1 & 62 with SSL. I see no point in testing against the 900Nexus as it is all the same as the SRT other than the Serato sound card. I will also be using my CDJ-2000 Nexus's in hopes to see if the CDJ-2000Nexus bug shows up as it did when using them with my DDJ-SX. Gonna be a productive day for sure tomorrow as today I literally waited for the UPS truck to show up and admittedly that's about all I did today LOL. Who takes off from work for DJ gear? j/k It was actually a coincidence haha.

I did plug the 900SRT in as well as the 900Nexus to test with Traktor today and it was identical in EVERY way setup, sound, & function so good news there. The only thing is the 900Nexus has a setup utility software that the 900SRT either doesn't have or just doesn't have yet............. I'm hoping for the latter.


In regards to the testing that will take place tomorrow. I gotta be honest. Even though i am the proud owner of the DJM-900SRT I AM actually rooting for the Rane gear (SL4 & 62) as I always considered Rane to be the warmer more natural sound and I kinda don't want that to change. I'm a Pioneer man with features but I will always love Rane for its sound. Just my opinions.
FabulousFrequencies 3:03 AM - 16 October, 2013
Sounds like a nice score on the panels! Definitely some nice 24 bit FLAC stuff out there, cop as much as you can and definitely start a thread for the comparison.
Papa Midnight 3:11 AM - 16 October, 2013
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Definitely some nice 24 bit FLAC stuff out there, cop as much as you can and definitely start a thread for the comparison.

You don't even need one. I started replacing a lot of my personal MP3s with FLACs a few years ago (the time spent ripping this stuff at Level 8 with 99% ratings (See: AccurateRip)...). The difference between an MP3 and a properly ripped encoded FLAC file from a properly mastered CD (I'm looking at you, Death Magnetic (Crap In, Crap Out) isn't even funny. It can be heard on even the most basic of computer audio systems or a $20 pair of ear plugs.

This is a pain for me as I have a mixed library of stuff in FLAC / MP3 - many times with Instrumentals in MP3 and I can hear the quality difference the moment I mix it in. Most of this becomes largely moot when recording for online stuff or doing online radio (since it's getting compressed anyway), but when playing live or playing back for personal enjoyment, it's just not even right...
deejdave 3:34 AM - 16 October, 2013
Yes but the purpose of this test/thread has nothing to do with the difference in quality between lossless & MP3's. It is to compare the DJM-900SRT soundcard with other known soundcards................

You ARE 100% correct though in the difference between FLAC (or any lossless format) & MP3 even at 320.
FabulousFrequencies 3:34 AM - 16 October, 2013
Audio CD's are actually limited to 16 bit. Your decision seems night and day because lossy compression adds artifacts to the encoding you can hear while stripping other aspects of the spectrum. When you compare a lossless rip with a lossy one it will always be night and day. I concur with your personal assessment, just for different reasons and it's not really why I suggested it to him. Your methods merely ensure you're playing a lossless 16 bit track, which is always better than a lossy encoding.

24 bit FLAC was suggested because a) serato will play FLAC (obviously) and b) there is a lot of program material mastered directly and exported to FLAC for purchase without ever reaching a CD thus inheriting the 16 bit bottleneck. This is the 24 bit version you ideally want if you're going to compare 24-bit sound cards. If you pipe a 16-bit track through 3 different 24-bit sound cards, you're going to have so much overhead you'll be hard pressed to hear the difference. Supporting circuitry comes into play obviously, but just about every op-amp on the market including the cheapest shit China can pump out will maintain respectable S/N and distortion levels well below average human hearing thresholds. So the advancements in sound quality are about to hit a ceiling both to our ears and among competition.

So why continue to advance? Listening fatigue reduction. But dude, continue to get as much as ya can in lossless format. Hard drives are large, so space isn't the same issue it was back in 1993 when mp3 came into play. There is nothing wrong with 16-bit, it just needs preserved in 16-bit state.
FabulousFrequencies 3:39 AM - 16 October, 2013
Some test material, true 24-bit from the studio: www.linnrecords.com - Enjoy!
deejdave 3:40 AM - 16 October, 2013
Ya know. I know a lot about audio & sound reproduction but I just got a free lesson (in greater detail than I had anywhere previously). I'm actually gonna save these past few posts in my notes (which I never do) on pro's for lossless. I try to explain the need for it and try to explain how it is kept but even I didn't know enough to explain quite like that. Many Thanks @ FF. If I ever DO quote this to someone else I WILL give you 100% credit as that is something I ALWAYS make sure I do when using someone else's material. You've definitely got this stuff down. KUDOS
FabulousFrequencies 3:51 AM - 16 October, 2013
Well, it doesn't touch base on re-sampling effects and a few other things. It's certainly not the most comprehensive write-up on the internet. But if it helps, you're 100% welcome :)
Numark, Support
NumarkMatt 1:57 PM - 16 October, 2013
Serato DJ 1.5 was introduced primarily to deliver DVS support support for new products. However, Numark has determined that Serato DJ 1.3 offers superior stability when used with Numark controllers, including NS7, NS7II and NS6, and since the additional features of 1.5 do not dramatically impact Numark users, Serato and Numark strongly recommend that for optimum performance, Numark users download and use Serato DJ 1.3 until further notice.

Download Serato DJ 1.3 below
serato.com

For users who have experienced stability issues with Serato DJ 1.5 please continue to post and upload your crash logs so the software engineers can improve your experience as soon as possible.
Dj L-Biz 2:04 PM - 16 October, 2013
ok been playing around for a while now, my only issue is with the cue points... i like having numbers and i liked being able to see them all at once. If a tab or click option was available to switch between the current options and the ones in 1.3 i would be a very happy indeed.
DJ Launch 3:43 PM - 16 October, 2013
Just went back to 1.3, since it's not possible to edit previously locked loops.

I prefer being able to select the view for cue points and loops - or 4 and 4.

I also prefer where the full track display is placed.

Since down grading back to 1.3 everything is solid.
DjCity 7:35 PM - 16 October, 2013
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Serato DJ 1.5 was introduced primarily to deliver DVS support support for new products. However, Numark has determined that Serato DJ 1.3 offers superior stability when used with Numark controllers, including NS7, NS7II and NS6, and since the additional features of 1.5 do not dramatically impact Numark users, Serato and Numark strongly recommend that for optimum performance, Numark users download and use Serato DJ 1.3 until further notice.

Download Serato DJ 1.3 below
serato.com

For users who have experienced stability issues with Serato DJ 1.5 please continue to post and upload your crash logs so the software engineers can improve your experience as soon as possible.


WOW!!!
hologram 9:46 PM - 16 October, 2013
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Serato DJ 1.5 was introduced primarily to deliver DVS support support for new products. However, Numark has determined that Serato DJ 1.3 offers superior stability when used with Numark controllers, including NS7, NS7II and NS6, and since the additional features of 1.5 do not dramatically impact Numark users, Serato and Numark strongly recommend that for optimum performance, Numark users download and use Serato DJ 1.3 until further notice.

Download Serato DJ 1.3 below
serato.com

For users who have experienced stability issues with Serato DJ 1.5 please continue to post and upload your crash logs so the software engineers can improve your experience as soon as possible.


WOW!!!


Surprised ?
dj lashes 9:59 PM - 16 October, 2013
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Serato DJ 1.5 was introduced primarily to deliver DVS support support for new products. However, Numark has determined that Serato DJ 1.3 offers superior stability when used with Numark controllers, including NS7, NS7II and NS6, and since the additional features of 1.5 do not dramatically impact Numark users, Serato and Numark strongly recommend that for optimum performance, Numark users download and use Serato DJ 1.3 until further notice.

Download Serato DJ 1.3 below
serato.com

For users who have experienced stability issues with Serato DJ 1.5 please continue to post and upload your crash logs so the software engineers can improve your experience as soon as possible.


WOW!!!


Surprised ?


Yeah I think its safe to say that was clear from the get go...
what got me was..
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Numark users download and use Serato DJ 1.3 until further notice.
lol until further sounds like its not around the corner and not really a comfort to user.
FabulousFrequencies 10:04 PM - 16 October, 2013
Hey though, for real, BIG UPS to any company rep that keeps an active eye on the user community and comes forward in the face of whatever, in your best interest. That sort of thing commands respect from me. They're concerned enough about your experience with their product to flat out tell you to stay put if it's the best course of action. Thank that man, and take his advice.
pdidy 4:53 AM - 17 October, 2013
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Hey though, for real, BIG UPS to any company rep that keeps an active eye on the user community and comes forward in the face of whatever, in your best interest. That sort of thing commands respect from me. They're concerned enough about your experience with their product to flat out tell you to stay put if it's the best course of action. Thank that man, and take his advice.

I respect honesty, as anybody here with years of experience will confirm most companies will sooner lie to you and have you believe that you the user are the problem than admit there is a problem with said product......
hologram 5:42 AM - 17 October, 2013
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Hey though, for real, BIG UPS to any company rep that keeps an active eye on the user community and comes forward in the face of whatever, in your best interest. That sort of thing commands respect from me. They're concerned enough about your experience with their product to flat out tell you to stay put if it's the best course of action. Thank that man, and take his advice.

I respect honesty, as anybody here with years of experience will confirm most companies will sooner lie to you and have you believe that you the user are the problem than admit there is a problem with said product......


Agreed. This is why I went with the numark controllers.
dj lashes 7:40 AM - 17 October, 2013
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most companies will sooner lie to you and have you believe that you the user are the problem than admit there is a problem with said product......

thats my point when i say WHAT GOT ME... i was shocked by the level of him just saying it raw when we all know 99% of the time most companies would give the run around..
Crazyraider 8:51 AM - 17 October, 2013
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the reason i would like to see a 1.6 beta release earlier than December is so that you have more time to identify, triage and resolve bugs. i mean 1.5 has only been out for a few weeks and mad bugs and show stoppers have been discovered. imagine if there was a 1.5 beta.

1.6 is going to be unique in that a whole new user base that may have never even used itch or serato dj is coming over. the bug count, rants, user error, whining is about to hit an astronomical level never seen before by serato. every week counts.


I couldn't agree with you more, so we are certainly working our hardest to achieve that, but we definitely couldn't put the release into public beta with half implemented hardware support.
^- Martin C

First of all, I'll admit, I haven't even touched 1.5, but based on what I've seen, I neither want nor need to. But when you say that the hardware support is only halfway-implemented, do you mean that only half of the controllers will function with it, or that nothing will because not all of the features are properly implemented yet? If only some controllers would function, an Alpha version seems useful for judging initial response. Put a very loud, obvious warning on the download link (or, alternatively, hide it in the forums somewhere where you can't get it without bypassing a warning of some sort) that it will only work for a select few controllers and that it is in no way meant for performance use, but rather just for preliminary feedback for 1.6. There have been a number of complaints about the UI changes in 1.5, so you could easily get people's first impressions on that.

Even screenshots would be nice at this point. A planned feature list for 1.6, even if some or most of them won't actually make it (Logan D's list (serato.com) is helpful, but let's face it - many people want more than just that), would be great to have at this point. No, it doesn't have to be final, but it would be nice to know what's coming down the line. I know you guys (Martin, Logan, and other customer support staff) take an undue beating here on the forums, and from what I can tell, it's because the dev team isn't sharing much of anything for whatever reason. I know I'd feel a lot better if I knew a feature I wanted wasn't going to be in the next version than if I were sitting around with no information to speak of, holding out hope that my feature will show up in this next version, when really the best time to implement it would be two versions down the line.

But to the support staff, thank you for being faces for us. You all take a lot of crap that you don't deserve because you may get as much information as we do. [sarcasm] But because you're in the company, you obviously know about everything happening, because different departments always have perfect communication and share their most intricate workings with each other and people outside the company on a whim. [/sarcasm] In conclusion, while a planned feature list would be nice, I understand if you can't get one for us.
Serato, Support
Martin C 12:46 PM - 17 October, 2013
Hey Crazyraider,

I am glad you appreciate us doing our best to communicate what we can. Even though we can't tell you everything, we still consider it very important to be present and keep interacting with our customers, even if we can't tell them what they are wanting to hear.

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But when you say that the hardware support is only halfway-implemented, do you mean that only half of the controllers will function with it, or that nothing will because not all of the features are properly implemented yet?


What I meant by that is, if we try and send out the software too early, you will have incomplete features, for example: a Rane Sixty-Two that is connecting and mapped to the software, but the audio part isn't complete.

Doing this is out of the question, because the first bug report we will see is "No Audio".

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Put a very loud, obvious warning on the download link (or, alternatively, hide it in the forums somewhere where you can't get it without bypassing a warning of some sort) that it will only work for a select few controllers and that it is in no way meant for performance use, but rather just for preliminary feedback for 1.6.


What you have just described is the whole intention for Public beta. When the software is available in December, that is not the final release date, that IS when the preliminary feedback for 1.6 begins. The difference is, we intend for it to be ready to be used by all supported hardware. We will be cautioning people to not use it for performance during the beta phase, but no matter how clear we make this, people still use the beta for performances, so we have to expect this, and try and deliver the software as complete and stable as we possibly can.

We have already announced which hardware will receive Serato DJ support in December, but regarding other features, we always stay pretty tight lipped, as do most software companies. This is for many reasons, but one of the big ones that spring to mind is this example:

We announce in advance that you will receive "Feature X" in Serato DJ 1.6 forthcoming. During development stages we encounter a huge technical problem that means Feature X is more work than expected. We now must choose to push back Feature X to another release or have Features Y and Z suffer.

We release the beta and subsequently the final release and Feature X is not available. Forum flaming commences.
clearblu 1:43 PM - 17 October, 2013
This is why I've stuck with Serato since moving from 'the other company' Itch is still a really good piece of kit (I still use it). I use Sdj in the same way as a Beta like a lot of users here are, There is a hell of a broad spread of users on this forum and some have really gone in depth with testing, it may seem at times that users are wound up when a fault that is reacurring or can be replicated should have really been picked up pre release so a Beta is the logical choice so big thumbs up.
Like a lot of users I can understand that the user base and supported hardware is now massive compared to two or three years ago so I'm been patient I just hope quality will always beat quantity

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Hey Crazyraider,

I am glad you appreciate us doing our best to communicate what we can. Even though we can't tell you everything, we still consider it very important to be present and keep interacting with our customers, even if we can't tell them what they are wanting to hear.

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But when you say that the hardware support is only halfway-implemented, do you mean that only half of the controllers will function with it, or that nothing will because not all of the features are properly implemented yet?


What I meant by that is, if we try and send out the software too early, you will have incomplete features, for example: a Rane Sixty-Two that is connecting and mapped to the software, but the audio part isn't complete.

Doing this is out of the question, because the first bug report we will see is "No Audio".

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Put a very loud, obvious warning on the download link (or, alternatively, hide it in the forums somewhere where you can't get it without bypassing a warning of some sort) that it will only work for a select few controllers and that it is in no way meant for performance use, but rather just for preliminary feedback for 1.6.


What you have just described is the whole intention for Public beta. When the software is available in December, that is not the final release date, that IS when the preliminary feedback for 1.6 begins. The difference is, we intend for it to be ready to be used by all supported hardware. We will be cautioning people to not use it for performance during the beta phase, but no matter how clear we make this, people still use the beta for performances, so we have to expect this, and try and deliver the software as complete and stable as we possibly can.

We have already announced which hardware will receive Serato DJ support in December, but regarding other features, we always stay pretty tight lipped, as do most software companies. This is for many reasons, but one of the big ones that spring to mind is this example:

We announce in advance that you will receive "Feature X" in Serato DJ 1.6 forthcoming. During development stages we encounter a huge technical problem that means Feature X is more work than expected. We now must choose to push back Feature X to another release or have Features Y and Z suffer.

We release the beta and subsequently the final release and Feature X is not available. Forum flaming commences.
djcrap 2:14 PM - 17 October, 2013
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Hey though, for real, BIG UPS to any company rep that keeps an active eye on the user community and comes forward in the face of whatever, in your best interest. That sort of thing commands respect from me. They're concerned enough about your experience with their product to flat out tell you to stay put if it's the best course of action. Thank that man, and take his advice.

I respect honesty, as anybody here with years of experience will confirm most companies will sooner lie to you and have you believe that you the user are the problem than admit there is a problem with said product......



Cough cough. serato! Lol
viper9711 9:49 PM - 17 October, 2013
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Crazyraider 11:14 PM - 17 October, 2013
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Even though we can't tell you everything, we still consider it very important to be present and keep interacting with our customers, even if we can't tell them what they are wanting to hear.


And honestly, while they may not express it, I'm guessing that most of the people here think it's important that you're all around, too. You all offer more help than automated reply systems, and it gives at least some people confidence that our ideas are being read by somebody within the company. Thank you for your detailed reply, by the way.

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But when you say that the hardware support is only halfway-implemented, do you mean that only half of the controllers will function with it, or that nothing will because not all of the features are properly implemented yet?


What I meant by that is, if we try and send out the software too early, you will have incomplete features, for example: a Rane Sixty-Two that is connecting and mapped to the software, but the audio part isn't complete.

Doing this is out of the question, because the first bug report we will see is "No Audio".

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Put a very loud, obvious warning on the download link (or, alternatively, hide it in the forums somewhere where you can't get it without bypassing a warning of some sort) that it will only work for a select few controllers and that it is in no way meant for performance use, but rather just for preliminary feedback for 1.6.


What you have just described is the whole intention for Public beta. When the software is available in December, that is not the final release date, that IS when the preliminary feedback for 1.6 begins. The difference is, we intend for it to be ready to be used by all supported hardware. We will be cautioning people to not use it for performance during the beta phase, but no matter how clear we make this, people still use the beta for performances, so we have to expect this, and try and deliver the software as complete and stable as we possibly can.


You make good points. I've seen enough cases of user error and didn't read the friggin' manual/warnings to sympathize with not releasing an alpha version with very limited hardware support. The reason I'd suggest an alpha release would be mostly to see if people like any changes in the GUI or settings - stuff that doesn't necessarily relate to controllers, as well as to appease the impatient masses you see on here. I know that coding takes time, and as DJ Nyce said(serato.com), every week counts. But like you said, the first bug report (and about 500+ after that) would almost certainly be "No Audio," because people are impatient and/or don't pay attention to/understand the warnings.

Of course, if this is largely a stability and compatibility update to prepare for users moving over from ITCH, then there's hardly any point to an alpha.

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We have already announced which hardware will receive Serato DJ support in December, but regarding other features, we always stay pretty tight lipped, as do most software companies. This is for many reasons, but one of the big ones that spring to mind is this example:

We announce in advance that you will receive "Feature X" in Serato DJ 1.6 forthcoming. During development stages we encounter a huge technical problem that means Feature X is more work than expected. We now must choose to push back Feature X to another release or have Features Y and Z suffer.

We release the beta and subsequently the final release and Feature X is not available. Forum flaming commences.


I absolutely understand that. Maybe I'm just used to community- and independently-developed projects where it's more or less accepted that a planned feature list is very much subject to change. I suppose that isn't quite as accepted in the professional world (I went from the Mixxx project to a relatively brief stint on Traktor to this. Fun fact about Mixxx: it took them at least an entire year to roll out one update. Granted, it relied on people who could work on coding it without compensation - that's how they kept it free - and they were short on coders for a while. But for those of you who complain about how long it takes Serato to roll something out, realize that adding new features or improving old ones can take quite some time, even if you have the code for it already.

I've done some coding in my life (not much, but enough to know how painful it can be), and I know that adding features can be a massive pain. As in your example, all too often, one thing is added or fixed, and something else breaks. People wonder why Microsoft has to release updates for Windows so often, and one of the biggest reasons is that patching one security hole often opens up more unforeseen holes. If this wasn't the case, they'd have had these holes all patched up within 3 months of Windows's release. The same applies for any complex program. You go to add/fix one thing, and something totally unrelated breaks. When you revert the changes you made, it works perfectly. Additionally, even if they had code for it from other pieces of software, there's no guarantee that code will even work in SDJ.

Say you want to bring over a feature from ITCH (I've never used ITCH, so you'll have to use your imaginations here). Sure, Serato has code for that feature, but that code might rely on core code that SDJ doesn't have. Yeah, the dev team might be able to just copy the applicable code over and make the feature work, but that isn't a stable way to do things, and the last thing you want as a DJ is for your software to crash in the middle of a performance. So the dev team typically doesn't have many choices when bringing a feature over. They can slowly and carefully implement highly requested features and make sure they function safely, or they can quickly and haphazardly copy the necessary code over, make any fixes that need to be done to adapt it with spit, gum, and prayers, and then toss the results at us. Before you blow up on the support staff about how long something takes, think about it this way: is that feature so important to you that you'll risk SDJ crashing on you in the middle of a set? I'll admit, there are feature requests on these forums that I feel are taking way longer than they should to be put in, but there are reasons for putting things off, whether they tell us what they are or not.

I'm also willing to bet that the dev team is at least a little hesitant to start implementing a bunch of new features before they are finished with (or are close to being finished with) increasing hardware support. Taking things one step at a time may not be the fastest way to do things, but it is one of the safest. If you add too many features to a program at once, you might end up banging your head against a wall trying to figure out which piece is causing problems. If they finish stabilizing the program for different pieces of hardware first, they'll likely have fewer problems down the line when adding features. We may have to wait a few months before they even start adding features. If we're lucky, they have a couple of coders working on our requested features. My guess? They're focused on getting hardware working more than anything else right now. I'm not saying that the wait isn't frustrating, because it can be. But Serato has a reason for what they're doing right now.

Martin explained perfectly why they can't make promises: if they do, they risk getting flamed by people who don't realize that dev teams aren't perfect. All too often, awesome things end up getting cut out of programs and games at the last minute because they just can't get them to work right in time for release, or there are more important things to work on, or that feature turned out to be far more complex than they initially thought, and it wasn't worth their time.

My advice for now? Please lay off the support staff. They're people too, as are all other customer support agents. They don't like getting yelled at any more than you or I, and being a jerk to them isn't going to do you any favors. Put out feature requests, vent if you have to, but don't go off on them. They tell us what they can tell us, and from what I can tell, they do what they can for us. Now then, I've got somewhere to be, so there are my two bits. Sorry for that wall o' text, everyone.
swift807 11:24 PM - 17 October, 2013
After reading posts about the blue vs grey , it's definitely a personal choice, not one is better than the other, glad we have an option.

Would be great to see loops and cue points at same time instead of having to switch back and forth.

Sync is unstable, any loops that you shifted slightly out of phase to get that groove , it starts to fall out of sync.
Also , any loops shorter than a bar and you switch back and forth from 1 beat to 2 beats for example will fall out.
Papa Midnight 12:08 AM - 18 October, 2013
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Sync is unstable, any loops that you shifted slightly out of phase to get that groove , it starts to fall out of sync.

Sync is actually quite stable. It relies on beatgrids when they're on, and bpm when they're off. You need to adjust your grid to match the beat. Not all songs have perfect timing.
Crazyraider 12:32 AM - 18 October, 2013
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Sync is unstable, any loops that you shifted slightly out of phase to get that groove , it starts to fall out of sync.

Sync is actually quite stable. It relies on beatgrids when they're on, and bpm when they're off. You need to adjust your grid to match the beat. Not all songs have perfect timing.

That and not all tracks are detected properly - beat detection algorithms are good, but they can still be susceptible to long gaps in beats (long vocals or sampled portions, for example). Not to mention that I've had beat detection crap the bed before over songs that weren't written in 4/4 time.

Programs can't be perfect all the time. When it comes to mixing with sync (as I had to do for quite some time before I got my DDJ-SX, thanks to a controller with digital pitch adjustment controls), sometimes you're better off deactivating it for a little bit and doing stuff by ear. It's kinda like autopilot: yeah, airlines /could/ just fire all their pilots and let the planes fly themselves (there are autopilot systems that can land without human intervention), but at some point the autopilot is gonna screw up - sometimes for no apparent reason - and that's why pilots need to be attentive for the entirety of the flight, no matter how advanced autopilot systems get. (I'm not saying that sync makes you not have to do anything - rather that it's imperfect, and very well may never be perfect.)
deejdave 2:42 AM - 18 October, 2013
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That and not all tracks are detected properly - beat detection algorithms are good, but they can still be susceptible to long gaps in beats


It's not really a "that and" kind of statement that papa made being what you brought ip is the exact reason he said what he did. He didn't make any excuses for why it doesn't work nor did he try saying it is perfect. What you brought up is the exact reason what he brought up is all the more important. Setting all of your beat grids correctly and editing the ones that were not set correctly by the software detecting them (using the algorith you speak of) is exactly how you avoid running into any issues. In the end this system is ONLY as good as you are. It takes everything to a certain point but in the end if things are off there is only one direction in which to point the blame at.

SO you can either take the advice directly above this post and deactivate it if things go wrong ORRRRR you can set everything correctly the first time and never have to worry about this issue coming up in the first place.
swift807 2:45 AM - 18 October, 2013
Hi Papa Midnight ,

I do set beat grids through out the whole song. Your right when syncing two decks they are synced tight and don't drift, BUT sometimes when two tracks are dead on sync, the feel is stiff. So when you nudge one of the tracks back just a bit, around 10 - 30 millisec, you get a nice groove (pocket) and it's sitting just perfect, then it starts to drift and you lose the groove.

I'm comparing it to traktor , where in trakor, once you nudge a track a bit and lock into the pocket, it stays locked. So basically , one deck is playing slightly ahead of the other and the difference between the two decks stays locked.
deejdave 3:00 AM - 18 October, 2013
I have experienced what you speak of ^^^ but I went back and adjusted the beat grids accordingly to accommodate for that "groove space" you speak of which actually makes more sense than you think. Sometimes even being DEAD ON (mathematically eg 4/4) is NOT what the track needs but instead to be a little behind or nudged ahead a little. When this comes up like I said I make a note of it and adjust accordingly. There SHOULD be a way to do this automatically on the fly. I will be honest as I know a LOT about SYNC and try to keep my entire 80k track library as "on" as possible but I don't actually use sync while performing so I don't run into this problem as I am constantly keeping things in check by hand. On the contrary when I am home messing around with the DDJ-SX or my SRT & 2000NXS's i do in fact use the sync and have all the time in the world to adjust beat grids.

Is there really no way to fix this on the fly (properly) when using SYNC?
FabulousFrequencies 3:20 AM - 18 October, 2013
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Is there really no way to fix this on the fly (properly) when using SYNC?


You can adjust/shift count set loops on the fly, am I on the right page?
deejdave 3:31 AM - 18 October, 2013
Ahhhh FF there you are. More importantly did you try the new 1.5.1 Beta yet?
deejdave 3:34 AM - 18 October, 2013
Actually never mind.
FabulousFrequencies 3:42 AM - 18 October, 2013
IIRC, if you hold IN or OUT on a manual loop while it's playing and while holding use the jog wheel you can shift the beginning or end of the loop forward/back while it rolls. I found that by accident one night, LOL.

Tried it, SSDV.. (You figure the acronym out).

SDJ essentially made a TRAKTOR controller a more effective sidekick to my 300 than the vfx-1 !! Talk about bass ackwards! You can plug in the NI Kontrol X1 and map ALL the FX parameters to the FX area and THEN proceed to map the lower half to the additional CUE points the VCI doesn't provide past 3. Imagine my bewilderment! Or I can keep the 'Serato approved' controller and no longer have latch disable, param2 adjust, etc, etc.

I'm stickin with ITCH and playing with traktor till they sort this out. I *do* still like Serato and all my bitching is nothing personal toward the team. They just need some serious homey checking right now. Why on earth would you make it more attractive for me to plug a Traktor controller in and throw the vfx-1 in a closet? You're not doing Vestax any favors here folks.. LOL.

And I already posted a feature request for an AMD optimized beta. Which includes the links to a non-crippling compiler. A lot of people don't understand, you WILL see the day AMD is in an apple line this company develops for and i'm not just talking the graphics chip. Gotta pull it together.
swift807 3:47 AM - 18 October, 2013
Hey FabulousFrequencies,

Not sure what u mean.

Basically what i'm saying is, once you set all you beat grids correctly ( no kiddin' I go bar by bar ) If you have deck 1 at 120 BPM and deck 2 at 120 BPM and both have sync ON, the sync works perfect, no drifting.

Now lets say you want deck 1 at 120 BPM and deck 2 at 118.5 BPM , They wont stay locked at that difference. It gets worse when you set loops and try to sync them and even worse when the loop gets shorter than 1 bar.

It should be doable 'caus Traktor does it spot on.
FabulousFrequencies 3:59 AM - 18 October, 2013
I asked if I was on the right page, and ya'll done gone me lost =\

You're removing half the element of 'sync' the minute to change the tempo of the track. Sync will line up and snap to grid both tracks when using grids. It also matches the tempo of the tracks. This is a 1 time deal the moment you press that button - snap, match, done. After that, if you change the tempo of one of the tracks, of course it's going to drift. It's no longer moving at the same speed as the other track. If you simply want to 'shift' your deck one way or the other without screwing this up, don't change the pitch/tempo. Nudge the platter sides, or 'pitch bend' till it's where you want it and it'll just ride there.
deejdave 4:04 AM - 18 October, 2013
Yah Yah Same Sex Domestic Violence is a BITCH LMAO. Yah I got you. I'm hoping for the best though.


Yah that loop adjust is a cool feature. I haven't used it while performing admittedly but I have had the need. I seem to remember that feature everytime except when I need it personally. Do as I say not as I do applies here as I will tell others the same about it but never do so myself. I think this could solve his problem specifically with the loops part but if I am correct he wants it not to exist in the first place. Again I know about SYNC in how to make it work perfectly and such but DO NOT use it enough to even relate to the issues he is having as I NEVER use SYNC while performing. Not knocking those who do (I have learned to accept those who do) I just don't myself is all. I do however LOVE messing around with the CDJ's & SYNC. Was having a ball with them today I might add.

Regarding that whole sound comparison with SRT VS. Rane gear.................... yeah no-go as of yet. Got called in to work and blah blah blah.

TRAKTOR Knotrol X1........................ LOVE IT!! I agree it is way more useful than (IMO) any of the sub controllers made for SSL. I have FX mapped to 1st layer of top six buttons with the knobs adjusting wet/dry accordingy & the top-most knobs adjusting beats for FX. I have the 2nd layer utilized by the SP6 with knobs adjusting volume. top two large knobs for library browsing, bottom two for auto loop roll.
Bottom buttons for cue points on 1st layer and basic (play, cue, censor, etc) on 2nd layer. By second layer on all that I meant shift.

In terms of the AMD stuff. CRAZY. I read the link you posted the other day too that was some good info. MacBooks with AMD though? you really think so? I mean AMD's got the power and seem to integrate the graphics better than intel does theoretically but I'm talking do you think it's politically possible at this point?
deejdave 4:09 AM - 18 October, 2013
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I asked if I was on the right page, and ya'll done gone me lost =\

You're removing half the element of 'sync' the minute to change the tempo of the track. Sync will line up and snap to grid both tracks when using grids. It also matches the tempo of the tracks. This is a 1 time deal the moment you press that button - snap, match, done. After that, if you change the tempo of one of the tracks, of course it's going to drift. It's no longer moving at the same speed as the other track. If you simply want to 'shift' your deck one way or the other without screwing this up, don't change the pitch/tempo. Nudge the platter sides, or 'pitch bend' till it's where you want it and it'll just ride there.


I am hoping you know about this somewhat though swift807. If not you my have been spoiled by Traktor's over-automization. I know they have it so you can basically do whatever and everything stays on beat but this is not the way it should be IMO. I mean they take out the human factor by doing so. Traktor will literally cancel out something you do if it throws anything off-beat. I mean literally if you want a certain beat or a fraction of a beat which is an important hit or effect Traktor will only let you hear it if it goes with their algorithm. This is another to each his own I guess.
FabulousFrequencies 4:14 AM - 18 October, 2013
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In terms of the AMD stuff. CRAZY. I read the link you posted the other day too that was some good info. MacBooks with AMD though? you really think so? I mean AMD's got the power and seem to integrate the graphics better than intel does theoretically but I'm talking do you think it's politically possible at this point?


Well beyond possible. The AIR's of 2011 were this close to shipping with AMD CPU's --><-- but they had supply trouble with their build house. There are AIR prototypes at Apple HQ with AMD CPU's and they are in steady talks. What you are going to see now that the last decade Intel has been having it's face sued off (and losing) is a fair shake for AMD. The just broke the 5ghz consumer barrier BTW, they need 200 watts to do it, but they did it. LOL. Intel has not. And I don't mean through overclocking, I mean out of the box 5ghz. They also just stole Keller back from Apple, who left AMD to design Apples i-pad and i-phone processors. So now Apple has no Jim Keller, but has a good relationship with the company that does. Apple also needs a second supplier to secure it's own product line future.

All roads point to AMD and Serato doesn't want to sit on their hands over this.
deejdave 4:26 AM - 18 October, 2013
Keller specifically is quite the asset. They are all about contributors at Apple and a person alone would be reason enough for them to follow. I was reading all the articles on the hiring of Angela Ahrendts (obviously as they were shoved down our throats) and they really do feel people (more importantly SPECIFIC people) are the key to their success. Even over AMD's recent developments and successes acquiring a key person to the Apple family may have been their smartest move yet. As long as they work everything out and all fixed between them I see nothing but benefits there. I hope you are correct in your prediction. MUCH to gain from it at the very least. TBH everyone should be hoping for this because it essentially means more power for less money. Serato on the other hand should be taking the proactive apporach. Maybe let the SSL Vs. AMD issue ship sail away as ..................... well I won't say it but you get it. As far as SDJ though ..................... yeah ya know!!!
deejdave 4:32 AM - 18 October, 2013
GOD what an impressive being............. Now you got me reading the Jim Keller Bio. First was the social network, then JOBS & next.................. hahaha Probably not but I'm on some good stuff right now. Kinda puts a real spin on the whole 53 yr old Vs. technology thought.
swift807 4:40 AM - 18 October, 2013
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If you simply want to 'shift' your deck one way or the other without screwing this up, don't change the pitch/tempo. Nudge the platter sides, or 'pitch bend' till it's where you want it and it'll just ride there


That's exactly what I meant, I tried to use the BPM example to make it clearer.
Moving and adjusting the pitch bend( platter ) to where I want it is how I do it. So far so good for about 16 bars or so then it begins to drift.

I too never used sync in a live situation , still on 1200s . But if im going to use sync for creative reason later, I want to have as much control over it as possible, don't wanna just hit sync and that's it because most of the time it's not gonna groove the way i want it to.

Last post on sync , promise lol
FabulousFrequencies 4:49 AM - 18 October, 2013
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So far so good for about 16 bars or so then it begins to drift.


I presume by using the example of 120bpm that you're mixing 4x4. So 16 bars is 64 beats, and at that rate you're riding the transition a little over 30 seconds before the drift? Maybe you should take this issue up in a new post. It could be a bug or a misunderstanding.
Tekon 12:51 PM - 18 October, 2013
Considering 1.5 crashed on me 3 times in an hour, I dont think there is anything wrong with it. Greatest feeling in the world, as a dj, is when your software crashes and a club full geer and chant "you're shit!" at you and the host says he wont have you back. By the way, in case you missed it, this entire message is sarcastic...
Papa Midnight 1:37 PM - 18 October, 2013
I would hope people would know by now to not go to do events with software they haven't fully tested and vetted for themselves (This includes software and OS updates - which is why I haven't updated my production machine to OS X 10.8.5 yet).
james richie 1:49 PM - 18 October, 2013
very nice had many problems with 1.3 might have been database issue rebuilt and loaded 1.5 works like a dream only couple of things
1 still no record like itch come on guys i have to still use itch to record my live sets but it wont work with external hard drive so i have to make sure i have the right tracks on my laptop (pain)
2 wave form size issue still there when switching from 2 deck to 4 and back in extended vue

apart from that keep up the good work

james
pdidy 2:38 PM - 18 October, 2013
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Considering 1.5 crashed on me 3 times in an hour, I dont think there is anything wrong with it. Greatest feeling in the world, as a dj, is when your software crashes and a club full geer and chant "you're shit!" at you and the host says he wont have you back. By the way, in case you missed it, this entire message is sarcastic...

well at least they were honest, you are shit if you dont test your software and prove it works. no sarcasm....ijs.
Joee 3:15 PM - 18 October, 2013
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Considering 1.5 crashed on me 3 times in an hour, I dont think there is anything wrong with it. Greatest feeling in the world, as a dj, is when your software crashes and a club full geer and chant "you're shit!" at you and the host says he wont have you back. By the way, in case you missed it, this entire message is sarcastic...

well at least they were honest, you are shit if you dont test your software and prove it works. no sarcasm....ijs.

this is a must always test updates at home, dj a set the same way you would at a gig to be safe


if a would have went out a did gigs with my vci 380 i would have had crash after crash at all of my live gigs.....but i have more sense than that, i tested and found problems with some vidz i had that did not show as corrupted but crashed the software every time, i fixed the vidz and all is well with serato dj....it is strange cause those vidz play perfect in scratchLive
Tekon 6:51 PM - 18 October, 2013
Haha. Pdidy! Again? You really like to jump in and slag people off, you troll.

@ Joee - It worked fine at home. Only one crash since downloading. It was just sods law that it crashed several times during my set.
deejdave 6:58 PM - 18 October, 2013
What pdidy said was nothing different that Joee or papa was saying just in a different way. I would also say the same. One would assume you went harder while performing live (more FX, loops, button pushing, more tracks at one time, more tracks explored etc.) you MUST perform in this same manner at home quite a few times prior to using it out live. Bottom line is we are all having some issue or another. It my not be crashing but we are all here to better our experience while DJing otherwise what's the point? That being said things (whether good or bad) should be brought up in a manner that shows you are in fact trying to make things better as well.................. again otherwise what's the point?
Mr. Goodkat 7:12 PM - 18 October, 2013
the lesson learned is dont use new updates when you have older versions that you are positive work 100% correctly. Use the new version at home, more than once or 5 times, and slowly work it into your live set.

BUUUUUUUUUUTTTTTTT if you are going to use the new version, have a 1/8in cord to rca into your mixer so you can play off itunes in case it does crash (if there arent turntables or cd players available, otherwise bring a cd/record/usb drive)

the last lesson is, quit blaming software companies for your lack of preparedness and/or forethoght. have a solution, don't whine about the problem. Its hard to believe that anyone could actually think that a new release wouldnt have problems.
FabulousFrequencies 7:34 PM - 18 October, 2013
Stickied to the top of this forum: serato.com

You folks got a 1.5.1 BETA :)

Go play!
deejdave 7:46 PM - 18 October, 2013
I think that was an invite only beta which is why I said never mind yesterday LOL. I wasn't sure if we were allowed to post about it so I tried to hide behind the "nevermind" LOLOLOL
FabulousFrequencies 7:53 PM - 18 October, 2013
I just downloaded it and i'm using it right now.. LOL. I think the 'invite' part loosely translates to 'you can try this, but here are the caveats and what you agree to behave like in this forum area'. Follow the yellow brick road to martin's post, scroll down and see the attachments for your version. Don't post 'bugs' in that section, they want to know if it solves stability issues or makes them worse. Post bugs for standard 1.5 in the usual area.
deejdave 8:05 PM - 18 October, 2013
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Ahhhh FF there you are. More importantly did you try the new 1.5.1 Beta yet?

Ahhh did you know what I was talking about last night when I said that? hahaha. Im so confused now. All good. Yeah Im pretty much all good with 1.5 I don't even know if they plan to support the 2000 Nexus's with controllers. They are ATM stating they are NOT supporting the controller/cdj setup so It's not really worth it for me to get involved. I have not experienced any 1.5 crash issues with JUST my DDJ-SX. Furthermore I have been using the DJM-900SRT NON-STOP since i got it. Heavy is NOT the word for what i was doing yesterday. Multiple FX on each track (all four channels) while heavilly using SP6, loops, adjusting etc. etc............. quite a good feeling. I have made it past the 4 hr. deadline in which the CDJ/DDJ-SX w 1.5 would crash so I'm in a good spot.

I will wait my turn to get the features I want added/removed from 1.6 & up until they have banged out all the stability errors. This is after-all what's fair. I do HATE having to wait on individuals that you do 100% know it's their fault though LOLOLOL
FabulousFrequencies 8:10 PM - 18 October, 2013
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Ahhhh FF there you are. More importantly did you try the new 1.5.1 Beta yet?

Ahhh did you know what I was talking about last night when I said that? hahaha.


No, sadly I overlooked the last part and thought you meant 1.5 =\ My bad. So far so good on 1.5.1 but I didn't suffer crashes. There was a DLL release to fix a bug with AMD users, and it doesn't appear this release requires the DLL's any more. I was crashing without them on 1.3 load up. That's a plus for me.
deejdave 8:29 PM - 18 October, 2013
BOOM. DID you know they had a forum party last night? Gave away free licenses for FX pack and SDJ full unlock licenses etc. BS!! haha Did learn one thing that is pretty fun/funny the day mode for the forum............. up up down down lef right left right B A enter It really works hahaha............
deejdave 8:30 PM - 18 October, 2013
I'm on here alllll the time and yet uhhhhhhh HOW DO I MISS THESE THINGS?? Then again there's not a damn thing they could give me that i don't have. (within reason obvi) If I don't have it........ I don't want it.
DJ Phillee Blunt 9:13 PM - 18 October, 2013
Not sure if anyone else has mentioned this, the threads are getting too lengthy to comb through...but personally, I prefer the the track overview graphic to be in a vertical orientation, right next to the zoomed-in wav. Having it horizontal proves to be a little weird when switching from SSL to DJ, which happens more often than I thought it would. Is there any way to include an option in the next update to change how that overview wav is placed? I'm constantly looking for the white play arrow in the wrong place on DJ. I know it's a minor thing, but I would love that option.
Crazyraider 9:19 PM - 18 October, 2013
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Having it horizontal proves to be a little weird when switching from SSL to DJ, which happens more often than I thought it would. Is there any way to include an option in the next update to change how that overview wav is placed?

What do you mean by having the track overview horizontal? Like so?
[1]===[2]
[3]===[4]

vs.

[1]---
[2]---
[3]---
[4]---

Where [#] are track overviews and =/- are waveforms (dual and single, respectively)
Serato, Support
Martin C 10:46 PM - 18 October, 2013
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I just downloaded it and i'm using it right now.. LOL. I think the 'invite' part loosely translates to 'you can try this, but here are the caveats and what you agree to behave like in this forum area'. Follow the yellow brick road to martin's post, scroll down and see the attachments for your version. Don't post 'bugs' in that section, they want to know if it solves stability issues or makes them worse. Post bugs for standard 1.5 in the usual area.


It started out as Invite Only and I was private messaging as many people as we could find that were reporting crashes. We realized we couldn't do this fast enough to get it out to all the people that needed it, so decided to go public so people have something to use over the weekend.

You got everything else bang on though, general enquiries and bugs should continue to be posted in help requests, as 1.5.1 is purely focused on trying to resolve the crashing that people have been reported. We will try and answer everyones questions as fast as we can, but people reporting crashes will get priority.
Mr Vyrus 1:20 PM - 19 October, 2013
I"m still getting use to the Serato software itself, and I still have a few issues with the it which i've mention in previous discussions, but has they say Rome wasn't built in one day(even though Serato has been around a number of years now lol). Library and file searching are still my biggest concern. Coming for Virtual Dj,(since 2002) i didn't have any of these issues, so i know i have to get use to it. I know am gonna get some snotty nose response, such as why don't you stick to vdj. Well i still use it, but sometimes in life you wanna try something different.
So i'm kinda hoping in the next update these issues maybe address. I was also looking for the auto headphones to be put back into the software as it was in ITCH, but i don't see it. But as they say good things comes to those who wait.
Papa Midnight 2:55 PM - 19 October, 2013
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I know am gonna get some snotty nose response, such as why don't you stick to vdj.

Not quite. Many people here are elitist who think themselves better than others because of the software or equipment they use. More likely than not, they'll deride you just for using VirtualDJ because you're some "button pusher"
deejdave 4:24 PM - 19 October, 2013
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So i'm kinda hoping in the next update these issues maybe address. I was also looking for the auto headphones to be put back into the software as it was in ITCH, but i don't see it. But as they say good things comes to those who wait.

If you are hoping of getting an update for the library management or file searching I would say you will be disappointed as it is perfect the way it is and thus won't be changing. In terms of your other request I am not sure as I didn't see al of them but the auto-headphones could be useful for those who want it. I know most who use 3+ channels probably won't but the two channel mixers I don't see why not. As long as it is a user preference (eg turn on or off) it's not hurting anyone.

As far as papa's comment: Isn't a snotty nose response would be in the same lines as deriding someone?
clearblu 4:51 PM - 19 October, 2013
No-one is arsed what software/hardware your doing your job properly. Apart from other dj's or trainspotters. Let the music do the talking
DJ Phillee Blunt 5:18 AM - 25 October, 2013
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Having it horizontal proves to be a little weird when switching from SSL to DJ, which happens more often than I thought it would. Is there any way to include an option in the next update to change how that overview wav is placed?

What do you mean by having the track overview horizontal? Like so?
[1]===[2]
[3]===[4]

vs.

[1]---
[2]---
[3]---
[4]---

Where [#] are track overviews and =/- are waveforms (dual and single, respectively)


I'm just referring to the wav overview with the white "play" arrow that moves while the loaded track is playing (to show you where you are in the song). In Scratch Live, it's in a vertical position, right next to the large, zoomed in view of the wav that scrolls up as you're playing the track. In DJ, that overview is horizontal. It's not a major issue or anything, it's just a little awkward when you've been using Scratch Live for so long, and now switch to DJ. HOWEVER, I realized that the track search bar on the VCI is in a horizontal position also, so now it makes sense. I'm a dumb-ass LOL
Mr Wilks 12:25 PM - 25 October, 2013
I agree DJ Phillee Blunt with the touchstrips.

I know it will take some getting used to for some but the horizontal overview makes sense both in the GUI and from a logical sense of left to right as a track progresses. Most things I can think of progress on a timeline from left to right (start to finish) and as touchstrips are on all the new controllers this is 100% logical. DVS users just have to practice on looking a few centemeters to the side now.

If you play a track in iTunes or look at almost any progress bar they move in this manner and also that the touch strips on controllers move this way... left to right.

Having them in the same place for all views makes logical sense too. For it to keep jumping around the screen in different views breaks consistency. Flicking to library mode and fullscreen is easier now so that has to be a plus when hitting the space bar. Also, all other DJ software follows these rules of overviews.

I do feel confident that after a short time people will be used to their new location when in vertical mode. I've already adjusted to the new GUI position and feel others will do too with practice, just like any GUI change in any software.

I feel it's all about learning it's new position coming from SL as effectively we are using a new product. We have until 2015 before anyone has to switch and even then, it's not forced upon us unless we desire SDJs features.

I'm coming from SL to DJ and I'm adapting accordingly and feel it was the right decision to move them to where they are now. It's logical.
Rene Hedemyr 12:30 PM - 25 October, 2013
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