+ 1 yes please

+1 Traktor is truly an innovator.

VirtualDJ does this for years.
With Serato I have to scan every new track with Mixed In Key.

+1 definitely !

Maybe this will help, I've been using this for years and its free.
serato.com

also it just got a write up on DJTT.

www.djtechtools.com

+1 surely this has to be added

+1. Sorely needed.

+1

Isn't it bad business to force people to go off and use other software to do some fundamental functions with your product? Especially when all major competitors already do this? It seems to me this encourages people to consider whether they couldn't use that other software for all their djing...

Traktor is the only serious competitor and that's only had key detection for about a month.

There are two very usable options for key detection which work very nicely with Serato products; Mixed In Key (paid) and Key Finder (free) so whilst I agree built in key detection would be nice, I hardly think it should be a priority for development resources.

There is other software catching up, one in particular that is been redesigned with a new audio engine and new *very* advanced exciting features, way beyond what Serato does (I have had the possibility to see a recent beta of this and let me assure you, it is scary professional). Meanwhile Serato still has to catch up on things like key detection. Not cool.

Suppose you bought an expensive, top brand, car. You are told it does not come with a basic useful feature, let's say it does not have a clock on the dashboard. Then you are told it's ok, all you have to do is just buy any clock, and tape it to the dashboard. Not cool.

So key detection is a 'basic feature' now? Again, Traktor's only had it for a month, and that & Serato are the market leaders.

A lot of people don't even use, or want to use, key detection. It's more like heated seats than a clock on the dash, to use your analogy.

A must need feature.

+1

It's been a valued feature of VIrtual DJ for years, in my opinion a great help if you are playing trance or house music. And I'm not sure Serato DJ is a market leader in my book.

Agree with Phatbob! I almost always use detected keys for mixing. However, as you are talking about priorities for development resources, :) I concur that it is something that can be done using other software outside Serato and used here.
The point of 'prioritizing features for development resources' aside, these discussion boards being for listing feature requests, I would still think that Key detection is a required feature. Maybe not priority, but definitely required somewhere in the release roadmap. While there are many more important and must-have features that need to come in, this can wait for now.

+1 I'd like to get this integrated!

Please Serato let's make DJ's lives easier, I came from using Virtual DJ a couple of months ago and I already have to use Zinc Alchimie to get my folders into a usable state, and now I'm going to have to start using another bit of software to get the keys because I already miss the key information.

My comment to this was apparently deleted, perhaps because it fairly mentioned how some Serato competitors are moving on with great features. And this alone should say enough

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My comment to this was apparently deleted, perhaps because it fairly mentioned how some Serato competitors are moving on with great features. And this alone should say enough
Are you sure your comment got properly posted in the first place? No undesirable language or stop words? No controversial statements? I am making a few feature requests (2 very needed ones for me) myself and am faced with some stiff resistance. However, I have never had any of my posts deleted. Please try posting the same comment again.
Personally, I think rather than making this into a competition that 'so and so software does this so you also have to do this', I would recommend stating facts as to why you think that this feature is definitely required, it will be more helpful. If you see my posts regarding 'in-built VST support' you will find that I have mentioned that I will not refer to other software and have maintained it.
I myself have migrated into Serato DJ and stating competition is not going to work because of the simple fact that they are ahead of the competition. :)
On the other hand, if one of your valid posts has been deleted (we will find out when you post it again :) ) then we have an issue on hand which we will have to deal with differently. Please let me know about this. I would really like to read this possibly deleted post. :D
My whole point is that we have to make these feature request discussions into positive discussions, not ones of negativity that challenge the intelligence of the person posting and definitely not ones of proving who is better than the other guy posting. I am happy to concede when the other person has a valid point. Let's make 'The Music' the winner in the end.
By the way, as it is not mentioned anywhere in this discussion, I use Rapid Evolution for key detection. It is free. It needs a JRE (small installation from Sun (Oracle now)), is heavy on the machine and takes time but it does a lot more than key detection. You can check it out, if you still haven't.

Are you sure your comment got properly posted in the first place? No undesirable language or stop words? No controversial statements? I am making a few feature requests (two very needed ones for me) myself and am faced with some stiff resistance. However, I have never had any of my posts deleted. Please try posting the same comment again.

P.S. - Lesson learnt: Always preview before you post on this forum. :D

Personally, I think rather than making this into a competition that 'so and so software does all that so you also have to do that', I would recommend stating facts as to why you think that this feature is definitely required. It will be more helpful. If you see my posts regarding 'in-built VST support' you will find that I have mentioned that I will not refer to other software and have maintained it.

I, myself, have migrated into Serato DJ and stating competition is not going to work because of the simple fact that they are far ahead of the competition in terms of adoption and usage (sales and profits). :)

Key detection, in my opinion, is something that can be prioritized later in the development cycle. Please read my earlier posts on this topic.

On the other hand, if one of your valid posts has been deleted (we will find out when you post it again :) ) then we have an issue on hand which we will have to deal with differently. Please let me know about this. I would really like to read this possibly deleted post. :D
My whole point is that we have to make these feature request discussions into positive discussions, not ones of negativity that challenge the intelligence of the person posting and definitely not ones of proving who is better than the other guy posting. I am happy to concede when the other person has a valid point. Let's make 'The Music' the winner in the end.

By the way, as it is not mentioned anywhere in this discussion, I use Rapid Evolution for key detection. It is free. It needs a JRE (small installation from Sun (Oracle now)), is heavy on the machine and takes time but it does a lot more than key detection. You can check it out, if you still haven't.

I pretty sure I read it back *from* the forum after posting, however I don't recall exactly what it said and cannot repost it. The only thing that could possibly be considered a controversial statement was about competitors' exciting announcements and features and my fear, after recently moving to Serato DJ, to be missing out on some things that I used to have.

I am all for the music and for a top dog like Serato to have all the features useful to an array of Djs, not only the respected traditionalists, pitch-and-nudgers and human metronomes, but all of the new guys too, including mad controllerists and on-the-fly producers and if they want to have fun, why not, even the sync-addiction victims: after all, who is anybody to deprive another person to have their fun, screw around or give it a try?
;-)

Serato don't delete posts about competitors products or anything like that. Unless you dropped some racist or really offensive shit then it was just a glitch. And even then you would have been told.

The fact that Serato have such a (basically) free and open forum is one of the reasons why their overall offering is superior to NI or Atomix or any other competitor.

I don't know much about community or support concerning NI or Atomix, and for all I know there may be better ways to get support from Serato, but I'm not overly impressed with Serato's efforts to follow up on help requests made here on the forum. Just saying :)

As you appear to have never actually posted a support request, only ever posting in general discussion or feature request areas, I'm curious as to how you've arrived at that impression.

I guess this is getting just a little bit off topic, but besides reading plenty of other peoples help request I have posted two of my own. None of them seem to have gathered any responses, either from the community or Serato employees.

If they are invisible, that would certainly explain why it is so :)

serato.com

serato.com

Fair enough, didn't spot those. Still, you weren't expecting an immediate reply to requests posted over the Easter weekend though, I'm sure.

Certainly not, but I was sort of hoping for a response today. I am also more concerned by a few other help requests that are significantly older than mine (some I have responded to, and hopefully helped).

I must admit that I am a little biased by previous experiences with Serato from when I first got my NS7 and found myself introduced to ITCH. Hopefully the level of service have improved much more than I fear.

I am new so I gladly take your word for it, and much congratulate Serato for encouraging open exchange of opinions. Also because I am new, it's probable I just made a mistake posting.
As for the quality of the support, is Serato only posting in the support forums? I have seen calls for a position statement in some of the feature request threads that seem to have been met with silence.
As for policing though, I see there is some militia that actually takes the time and effort to cross check whether other posters really did post as many help requests they say they did ;)

The support staff only regularly respond in the support areas (strangely enough). They do watch the rest of the forums, as staffers pop up sometimes, but support areas take priority.



People complaining about support without ever having actually opened a help ticket pisses me right off. And it happens a LOT. Like, is it really that hard to find the support area?

Roy Levi is not one of those people. ;)

thanks for the clarification, phatbob, I take you work for Serato?

I do not.

Spent far too much time on the forums over the last few years, like many others.

Here's a perfectly timed fresh example. Never started a help request. FFS.

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lol, point taken :-)
if it's common there could be an innocent explanation to the phenomenon. Perhaps people who need help on something often don't come forward with a post, instead they lurk about on an existing thread and wait, until one day they appear, only apparently, out of thin air.. Damn, there could be any number waiting on stuff and we'll never know... daunting perspective :-D

sorry all we drifted off topic, it is interesting to discuss quality of support, of course, but if the topic remains open we should move it elsewhere, I guess?

Actually, the support area is not entirely obvious if you're new on the site. I myself posted a request or two in the discussion areas before discovering some days later that certain sections had a "Request Help" button along with a weird link hierarchy that appeared to be outside the general forum.

Frankly, this site is a little different from just about any other vendor forum or support site I've visited. Of course, Serato seems to do most things a little differently ;)

I don't mind. If they prioritize feature suggestions based on the number of posts in a thread, I think we just gave key detection a rather solid bump :D

+1

Serato posts just started popping up all over the support sections. I can't imagine what timezone they're in, but I guess someone just got back to the office. :o)

+100

I agree, heated seats. My butt can't tell the difference, except for when it's sweaty.

+1

Yes a very useful feature.

+1000 critical... my suggestion: serato, make an investment... there are soooo many features serato dj needs, in terms of features and abilities you guys have alot to catch up on (not to say that there aren't things you aren't superior in, for that regard, I appreciate you). Maybe you need a larger team of developers? I for one would take that job

+1000

Thought here, What if Serato licensed KeyFinder
www.ibrahimshaath.co.uk
and integrated it as part of the analyze track function.
He needs funding to get it better.
Serato needs a Key detection tool.
Win-Win.

Even Cross, Cross DJ has it.

www.gearjunkies.com

agreed, pretty important feature.. VDJ, traktor, MixVibes, CrossDJ, et al; have key detection.. why did serato DJ miss out?
poor performance..

Instead of dicking around designing stupid iPad apps - how about actually improving the SOFTWARE!!

+1

Watchwww.youtube.com

Nice video that shows how it should be done.

+1

+1

Definitely a possibility in the future guys ;)

The developer overlords are watching

+ 3 million!!!

i just posted this exact same question...


A MUST HAVE !


+871612786278631278623786127836782678312678267861237862178612378

+1

+1

+1 and also add in a change key knob that can be like fx or seperate

+1

+1

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+1 again.... make it happen serato !

+1

Definitely like to see this added, I like many others i read here came from VDJ. it was nice to have that info. guess like many more I'll have to resort to an outside program for Key info..

Please consider adding this feature.

+1

For sure +1 !!!

Surely you'd want them to actually have a useable key lock first? Serato is virtually unusable with this on and the sound quality sucks real bad with vocals, strings and pianos.

+1

-Scott S

In other words, if you see people making posts about this elsewhere, direct them here.

-Stu J

Also a very good point. It helps when people are directed back to one thread, so that it has as many posts as possible. If you see somebody making a post about a better key lock, direct them to the largest key lock improvement thread you can find! It'll help in the long run!

+1

+1 Would simplify my track prep process by a lot.

This is an open source key detection software. Might be a good partnership.
www.ibrahimshaath.co.uk

+1

+1

serato THIS IS BIGGGGGG get with me asap....... i have worked it out on how to fix the key lock in serato dj yes thats right this idea works. this will be a easy fix too just get at me asap an i can explain how this will work.

+1

+1

+ to the max

+1. Keyfinder is great - would LOVE if it were integrated into Serato.