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Just Sold my powerbook, need advice...
lancota
4:24 PM 29 September 2004
I had a 12", and I wasn't happy with the size (or perfomance with other applications). I was thinkin on gettin the 15" Powerbook, but then thought...perhaps the 17"?
It seems like the 17 may be a bit over kill specially since I have a desktop at home. What are all the mac user's feelings on the 17 vs 15" powerbook (the speed, ram, hd and vid card would be the same).
Just wanted some opinions from those who have the 15" vs. those who have the 17" and why...
Thanks!
It seems like the 17 may be a bit over kill specially since I have a desktop at home. What are all the mac user's feelings on the 17 vs 15" powerbook (the speed, ram, hd and vid card would be the same).
Just wanted some opinions from those who have the 15" vs. those who have the 17" and why...
Thanks!
DJ 3pm
4:43 PM 29 September 2004
17 is too big, 12 is too small. 15 is the porridge thats just right. working at an apple reseller, i would suggest you take the $300 you'll save getting 15 instead of the 17 and invest in applecare for it.
pgroves
4:52 PM 29 September 2004
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17 is too big, 12 is too small. 15 is the porridge thats just right. working at an apple reseller, i would suggest you take the $300 you'll save getting 15 instead of the 17 and invest in applecare for it.My vote is for the 15 inch too... BTW make sure you pay the extra and upgrade the harddrive to the faster 5400rpm model...
hth
Paul
lancota
5:23 PM 29 September 2004
yea, I was leanin toward the 15". 17" might be ok if I weren't takin it everywhere...but then, what would be the point of a laptop!?
5400 rpm hd definately... thanks a ton!
5400 rpm hd definately... thanks a ton!
Alexander
6:04 PM 29 September 2004
I would go with the 15" also..... 17" is too big and not needed in my opinion since it is a laptop and should be portable.....3pm had a good idea in investing the $300 into Applecare!
I say go with the 15". :)
I say go with the 15". :)
DJ 3pm
6:15 PM 29 September 2004
let me know if get the applecare, i can hook you up. your best off getting the laptop direct from apple though.
SpinThis!
7:50 PM 29 September 2004
some resellers often beat apple's prices on stuff. if you custom config it, apple's store isn't bad but they charge tax no matter where you are. if you have to custom config your laptop, never buy ram from apple--they often charge 2 to 3x more than others. otherwise if you stick with a "stock" config there are plenty of other places that will offer the same thing, oftentimes for less $$ (especially if you don't have to pony up for tax).
unless you're a complete noob or have had real faulty apple hardware in the past, applecare is overpriced. you still get a 1-year warranty w/o applecare and 90 days support; that's usually enough time to figure out whether your machine works or not imho.
unless you're a complete noob or have had real faulty apple hardware in the past, applecare is overpriced. you still get a 1-year warranty w/o applecare and 90 days support; that's usually enough time to figure out whether your machine works or not imho.
DJ 3pm
10:21 PM 29 September 2004
applecare isn't overpriced. if your cd drive goes out in the next 3 years, it pays for itself. i've seen way too many laptops come in for repair with just minor problems and people abandon the laptop because they don't want to pay the cost to get them fixed. apples aren't like pc's, you can't just drop any old part in them. apple doesn't offer its parts to end users to install themself. plus, its ups the resell value (who really wants to keep a laptop for 3 full years?)
lancota
10:24 PM 29 September 2004
Very true. I had my 12" come with only 256 mb of ram then upgraded it with 512 of kingston ram. It worked, but at the time I was running Final Crap and though that the ram was affecting my system...so I purchased (for an ass load of money I might add) a 512 directly from apple...it didn't change a thing!
15" pretty much was my consensus in the first place, but I was just wonderin who had the 15 vs the 17 and how they liked it.
Just outta curiosity 3pm, how much would apple care run from your store if I bought it through you guys? you can email me privately at addison@lancota.com if you want.
As for purchasing w/o tax, I haven't been able to find a store that offers free shipping, plus no tax yet...does anybody have a lead on some stores that would? Thanks!
15" pretty much was my consensus in the first place, but I was just wonderin who had the 15 vs the 17 and how they liked it.
Just outta curiosity 3pm, how much would apple care run from your store if I bought it through you guys? you can email me privately at addison@lancota.com if you want.
As for purchasing w/o tax, I haven't been able to find a store that offers free shipping, plus no tax yet...does anybody have a lead on some stores that would? Thanks!
SpinThis!
3:10 AM 30 September 2004
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if your cd drive goes out in the next 3 years, it pays$300 for a cd drive over 3 years time is still overpriced. most of apple's parts are generally made by traditional pc manufacturers; they're not that hard to find. i'd imagine not that many people are handy with a screw driver so they'll pay whatever price. i'm just saying if you feel comfortable doing the work yourself there's no reason why you wouldn't consider it an option.
AJ
5:23 AM 30 September 2004
I think extending your warranty is essential with a laptop. The LCD screens are so thin and the quality specs are so tight that the chances of having a problem in that area is good enough to warrant the extra price. A replacement screen is very expensive.
But don't get APP (Applecare Protection Plan), which is only available at purchase time, is a flat fee for two extra years and includes software support. Find a knowledgeable dealer, and make sure you get straight Applecare (not APP). Applecare can be bought at anytime before your 1st year runs out and can only be bought one year at a time. It is much cheaper, because it doesn't include any software support, and almost nobody knows about it.
I even managed to get another year of Applecare on my last powerbook that was already out of warranty.
But don't get APP (Applecare Protection Plan), which is only available at purchase time, is a flat fee for two extra years and includes software support. Find a knowledgeable dealer, and make sure you get straight Applecare (not APP). Applecare can be bought at anytime before your 1st year runs out and can only be bought one year at a time. It is much cheaper, because it doesn't include any software support, and almost nobody knows about it.
I even managed to get another year of Applecare on my last powerbook that was already out of warranty.
KFunk
5:28 AM 30 September 2004
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apple doesn't offer its parts to end users to install themself.But these people do pbparts.com
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(who really wants to keep a laptop for 3 full years?)But in all AppleCare is a good idea.
DJ White Lightning
5:58 AM 30 September 2004
I have a 17" and a 12" - both 1.33ghz - At first I loved the 17", but when I was forced to get the 12" as a back up I actually liked it better. For watching movies on an airpalne the 17" rules... other than that, it is pretty damn big. I say go for the 15" sounds just right.
Yeah and dont buy the apple care right away - save some loot and pay for straight apple care later like in 11 months - Xmas is coming.
Yeah and dont buy the apple care right away - save some loot and pay for straight apple care later like in 11 months - Xmas is coming.
DJ 3pm
2:16 PM 30 September 2004
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But don't get APP (Applecare Protection Plan), which is only available at purchase time, is a flat fee for two extra years and includes software support.not true. you can get applecare anytime before your original 1 year warranty is up, but it only extends warranty service out to 3 years from purchase date. you get software support, but only for non-pro apple software (no final cut, motion, shake, dvd studio, logic. basically just the i-stuff)
djkenace
2:39 PM 30 September 2004
applecare is definitely worth the extra bucks, especially when your a former employee of an Apple reseller. I used to see some people especially some grad students literally cry because their laptop died and they lost their thesis or discertation. At that point their only chance to recover their data is to go to Drive Savers and thats big bucks. Warranty doesnt hurt and back ups are a must.
SpinThis!
2:56 PM 30 September 2004
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Warranty doesnt hurt and back ups are a must.no doubt. i have no sympathy for people who don't back up and then cry because they lost their stuff. that's what the cd-r is there for! plus, at the bare minimum most uni students at least can email their files to themselves or have a little place on campus servers so they have a copy on a server.
lancota
4:00 PM 30 September 2004
I'm a big fan of the whole Applecare after 1 year... I was gunna do it for my 12", but I just sold it so that's easily over with.
But honestly, powerbooks have the most problems I've ever seen. My friends LCD went out and that was just plain bad then his CDRW went...have you ever taken apart a powerbook!? Damn those things are in a universe all of their own. I've been building PC's and laptops (PC) for years and the one day I took about a TI book I just about vomited. So much shit crammed into one little space!
But honestly, powerbooks have the most problems I've ever seen. My friends LCD went out and that was just plain bad then his CDRW went...have you ever taken apart a powerbook!? Damn those things are in a universe all of their own. I've been building PC's and laptops (PC) for years and the one day I took about a TI book I just about vomited. So much shit crammed into one little space!
radish
10:53 PM 30 September 2004
Apple don't make a 1" laptop either (AFAIK). My PC laptop is 0.1" thicker than a powerbook (1.3" vs 1.2"). I had this argument with an Apple owning friend of mine recently. My laptop is the same size, but lighter and cheaper than a powerbook of equiv specs. I'm not saying that makes it better - lots of people like Apples for lots of reasons, and that's just fine by me - it's your money so spend it how you like. But to argue that Apple make the smallest or lightest laptop (even comparing specs) is just factually wrong.
J-BRAVO
11:03 PM 30 September 2004
the apple laptop range is getting terrifyingly out of date.
i own a powerbook, its good but i wouldnt get one again until there is a major and fundemental spec change.
i own a powerbook, its good but i wouldnt get one again until there is a major and fundemental spec change.
lancota
11:23 PM 30 September 2004
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Apple don't make a 1" laptop either (AFAIK). My PC laptop is 0.1" thicker than a powerbook (1.3" vs 1.2").quote]Uhh, you should do your research better:
Size and weight (17-inch model)
Height: 1.0 inch (2.6 cm)
Width: 15.4 inches (39.2 cm)
Depth: 10.2 inches (25.9 cm)
Weight: 6.9 pounds (3.1 kg) with battery and optical drive installed (9)
Check the bottom of the page at www.apple.com
As for the laptop being outta date, they're probably gunna release a dual core powerbook in January at Macworld...but I'm leary of buyin apple stuff that hasn't been put through it's pases (what if it ships with tiger and is incompatible with SSL)...you never know.
that's why I wanna get it soon, so I have a time tested design...there always seems to be stuff goin out on the new models and it takes them close to 3-6 monts to release a repair program for it.... (they're finally doing the white spot display replacement!!)
lancota
11:26 PM 30 September 2004
BTW, I have a custom built PC (built by myself) so I'm not one of these Mac vs. PC people. Each have it's own thing they're good at...My main reason for not buying a toshiba is the video memory is shared...and the only other PC line (that I trust) is dell, but I've heard mixed reviews with dells and SSL. I know mac's works with SSL and maya/graphics apps -- which is why I'm buyin another one...
radish
12:25 AM 1 October 2004
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Uhh, you should do your research better:
Size and weight (17-inch model)
Height: 1.0 inch (2.6 cm)
Width: 15.4 inches (39.2 cm)
Depth: 10.2 inches (25.9 cm)
Weight: 6.9 pounds (3.1 kg) with battery and optical drive installed
Seeing as the laptop I was comparing to has a 13.5" screen I was comparing to the 12" powerbook, which is 1.18" thick according to that page. So I rounded 1.18 to 1.2, apologies. Everything else I said stands. It weighs less that the 12" powerbook, has better battery life and includes the optical drive. Oh and it costs less.
lancota
3:39 PM 1 October 2004
Ahh, yes, the 12" is thicker. Sorry for jumpin the gun on you there.
J-Bravo, I have to agree with you, dual core isn't gunna boost performance much. From what I heard it's goin to perform basically like a duel processor (multi threading style) which means that the programs are going to have to be written to take advantage of more than one processor.... for things like Maya, it's worthless cause the only time it's using X amount of processors is durring rendering...and damn if I'm goin to render my projects on my powerbook.
J-Bravo, I have to agree with you, dual core isn't gunna boost performance much. From what I heard it's goin to perform basically like a duel processor (multi threading style) which means that the programs are going to have to be written to take advantage of more than one processor.... for things like Maya, it's worthless cause the only time it's using X amount of processors is durring rendering...and damn if I'm goin to render my projects on my powerbook.
lancota
6:36 PM 9 October 2004
So I just got my 17" powerbook filled with all the goodies (1.5ghz, 512mb, 128 AIT graphics card, 5400 rpm). I've got to say, not only is the larger screen a dream (I'm also a 3d animator and graphic designer) but the performance of the machine compared to my 12" is so much faster.
The ambient light-up keyboard is also great for playin in the dark. Thanks for everyone's suggestions... in the end, I just wanted to screen realestate (since I do more graphic work on my computer than djing these days :)
The ambient light-up keyboard is also great for playin in the dark. Thanks for everyone's suggestions... in the end, I just wanted to screen realestate (since I do more graphic work on my computer than djing these days :)
Stuart Ramdeen
10:39 PM 10 October 2004
Nice to hear Lancota! Great stuff. Those 17 inchers are BEAUTIFUL
djtrackie
11:02 PM 10 October 2004
DJ 3pm... im thinking about getting apple care. You can hook it up?
I want to upgrade the RAM on my 12" iBook too... where's the best place to buy my ram? Price matters, of course!
I want to upgrade the RAM on my 12" iBook too... where's the best place to buy my ram? Price matters, of course!
DJ 3pm
11:20 PM 10 October 2004
try www.dealram.com for ram, they compare pricing including shipping. wherever you get memory from, make sure they offer lifetime guarantee on it. cheap ram can cause strange problems in your system.
send me a message about what machine you want it on djtrackie: dj3pm at mac dot com (damn spam bots are getting to clever to put an email on the web)
send me a message about what machine you want it on djtrackie: dj3pm at mac dot com (damn spam bots are getting to clever to put an email on the web)
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