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Filling the gaps with midi controllers?

robosapien 6:24 AM - 7 June, 2008
Has anyone been successful filling some of the TTM 57SL gaps (effects not being controllable from different groups, very limited foot switch support, etc) using a midi controller/midi footswitch? Is this even possible?
DJBIGWIZ 10:58 AM - 7 June, 2008
well, if you stay in the effects group on the mixer and assign your other controls to the midi controller (scroll, load, cue points, loops etc...) then yeah, you should be able to do what you want to do... and if you have a foot switch then that's even more you can do.
DJ Prinvale` 7:02 PM - 7 June, 2008
I have a trigger finger that I plan on adding permanently to my gigs. I haven't really had time to layout all the buttons so they are convenient but I think with a little time and testing it will def "fill in the gaps."

The little testing I did do with it is fun...you are seriously only limited to your imagination with what you'll be able to do with a midi controller.
robosapien 6:45 AM - 8 June, 2008
Thanks for the input guys!

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The little testing I did do with it is fun...you are seriously only limited to your imagination with what you'll be able to do with a midi controller.


I really hope this is true, especially in regards to expanding footswitch functionality. I've only heard from people that say these things are possible and not from anyone that has actually done anything themselves which makes me a little skeptical if it's actually even possible. I plan on finding out for myself and going to work. The TTM 57SL manual notes that Scratch LIVE MIDI Control only supports Note On/Off, standard 7 bit CC (Control Change), 14 bit CC, and RPN/NRPN (14 bit). I have no idea what this means but am under the impression I may need to get down and dirty with some complex midi programming but could be wrong. It would be nice if Serato released some different midi maps for popular controllers to simplify for the users. If it means spending lots of time to get things to work that's ok for me I just hope I can make it happen to fill the gaps which keep the TTM 57SL from going to the next level. I will make sure to report back on my findings.
nobspangle 4:56 PM - 9 June, 2008
No complex midi programming is required you just press the midi button in SSL, click the function you want to program in SSL then press the pad you want to assign.
One thing it's important to say though, you cannot control the effects with MIDI
robosapien 5:53 PM - 9 June, 2008
Thanks for clearing that up for me nobspangle! Thanks too bad you can't control effects with midi because I feel that is the biggest gap to fill.
nik39 9:15 AM - 11 June, 2008
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Thanks too bad you can't control effects with midi because I feel that is the biggest gap to fill.

It is a big gap...
DJBIGWIZ 1:47 PM - 11 June, 2008
but, like I said before, if you are using a midi controller, set your 57 to the effects group and use the mixer for the effects and set the controller to do everything else (cue points, loops, censor, modes, recording, scrolling, loading etc...) and you should be good... it is a problem not being able to control effects with midi but if you are talking about filling the gaps with midi controllers, there is your solution.
robosapien 5:48 PM - 11 June, 2008
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but, like I said before, if you are using a midi controller, set your 57 to the effects group and use the mixer for the effects and set the controller to do everything else (cue points, loops, censor, modes, recording, scrolling, loading etc...) and you should be good... it is a problem not being able to control effects with midi but if you are talking about filling the gaps with midi controllers, there is your solution.


Thanks for making that clear DJBIGWIZ! Have you do this yourself? Has anyone used a midi footswitch? I will have to experiment on my own. Is there anyway a firmware/software update may allow to control effects with MIDI or add for functionality to using a non MIDI footswitch?
DJBIGWIZ 11:04 PM - 11 June, 2008
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but, like I said before, if you are using a midi controller, set your 57 to the effects group and use the mixer for the effects and set the controller to do everything else (cue points, loops, censor, modes, recording, scrolling, loading etc...) and you should be good... it is a problem not being able to control effects with midi but if you are talking about filling the gaps with midi controllers, there is your solution.


Thanks for making that clear DJBIGWIZ! Have you do this yourself? Has anyone used a midi foot switch? I will have to experiment on my own. Is there anyway a firmware/software update may allow to control effects with MIDI or add for functionality to using a non MIDI foot switch?


Yes I have done it myself... I actually had SL ver. 1.7 working with midi.
I have used 3 different midi controllers and a midi sequencer all at the same time along with foot switches.
You can use a 3 button foot switch with the TTM 57 and it does not have to be midi. So if you want to set up a midi controller and use a footswitch there is no problem with that.... it's all VERY easy to program.
robosapien 5:23 AM - 12 June, 2008
Thanks again for the info BIG WIZ! I was under the impression that if I didn't use a MIDI footswitch I could only have limited functionality with a regular one. In other words I program a MIDI footswitch to do more. Is this incorrect?
DJBIGWIZ 6:29 AM - 12 June, 2008
well the regular one can only have up to 3 things being controlled at once. If you have a midi foot switch with more buttons, you can assign more. but you can have a midi foot switch the regular foot switch a desk top midi controller and the control surface of the TTM 57 all going at once if you like.
robosapien 7:20 AM - 12 June, 2008
Thanks once again for the info BIG WIZ! I'm now excited to buy a midi controller and see what I can do! I wonder why Serato doesn't allow control of effects with footswtich or MIDI?
DJBIGWIZ 1:52 PM - 12 June, 2008
you can control some of the effects parameters with a foot switch but you have to be in the effects group... although, you can assign it to set the tempo of a track to the effect in other groups... hopefully in the future, we will see full midi support for the effects section.
There is also an effects loop on the TTM 57 which will allow you to hook up external effects units to the mixer.... so if you want to use other outboard effects you can.... and if they are midi capable,(like a Kaoss Pad) then that may solve your problem for now.
nik39 2:56 PM - 12 June, 2008
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you can control some of the effects parameters with a foot switch but you have to be in the effects group...

Are you sure? Which effect parameters can you control from the foot switch?
nobspangle 7:06 PM - 12 June, 2008
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you can control some of the effects parameters with a foot switch but you have to be in the effects group...

Are you sure? Which effect parameters can you control from the foot switch?

On and off ;)
DJBIGWIZ 9:38 PM - 12 June, 2008
Tap to set BPM and select between the 2 effects processors. (deck switch)