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Which DJ gets the Highest "cool factor" points? Controller DJ vs CDJ DJ vs Vinyl

DJTorchmusic 5:54 AM - 5 December, 2012
I was thinking about this, since I can Jam on all three. So, who do you respect the most? A Dj who spin off Vinyl, CDJs or Controller?
dj_soo 6:04 AM - 5 December, 2012
Vinyl. Duh.
DJTorchmusic 6:14 AM - 5 December, 2012
I was thinking the same thing until I counted the amount of milion dollar DJs photographed with CDJs. I think it's even.
dj_soo 6:18 AM - 5 December, 2012
That's just ubiquity and Cdjs are pretty much the standard. Vinyl (proper - no DVS) still tops the cool factor.

Even more if you use 45s.
DJTorchmusic 6:23 AM - 5 December, 2012
LOL! I remember 45s. Those were fun! I remember being one of the first CDJ Pioneers back in the early/mid 90's. It wasn't fun for a while because the first Pioneer units had bugs. CDJs have come a very long way.
Laz219 8:18 AM - 5 December, 2012
Vinyl definitely.
deezlee 8:41 AM - 5 December, 2012
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DJ Matty Stiles 1:04 PM - 5 December, 2012
theres no way CDJs are on the same level as Vinyl imo. Soo i agree with you, its just ubiquity.

it goes like this

Vinyl > CDJs > Controllers
DJ Matty Stiles 1:05 PM - 5 December, 2012
i heard someone refer to controllers as fisher price it made me LOL. That's how much street cred you get for rocking them
phonze 4:38 PM - 5 December, 2012
From a pure marketing perspective vinyl definitely looks better.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:44 PM - 5 December, 2012
Is he trooolin trick he might be
DJTorchmusic 4:49 PM - 5 December, 2012
Hmm, I've been thinking about switching up since I realized most of the clubs where I'm at still rock turntables. I may sell my decks and get some TT's instead. Now...Here's another question.

Does one HAVE to rock 1200's to get the respect or can you get any other good turntables and still get the same respect?
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:06 PM - 5 December, 2012
Ill answer all your questions with this answer....dont come to the forum for validation, dont pick equipment based on cool points, research the pros and cons, try out your options, choose what feels right for you and your style then use your tools to create art
DJ Ness Nice 5:13 PM - 5 December, 2012
There is nuthin cool about a buncha buttons. Man turntables and vinyl alway have a cool factor off the strength that everything is completly manual, your giving people a show by just seeing an actual record spin. Had this convo with my boy a few weeks ago, he sold his 1200"s and ttm57 to go the controler route. Controllers are not what people invision when they picture a dj. So when you show up to a gig with this little controller unit i think most people just believe your a press button dj. CDJs have been used heavy over the past 15 years so people are used to seeing those too, still pretty much the same looking setup as 1200s, not knocking cdjs at all, but controllers on the other hand look like toys. i have used them for like small events, bday parties and outdoor events but i would never show up to a serious gig with a controller. I am 1200's all day.
DJTorchmusic 5:16 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Ill answer all your questions with this answer....dont come to the forum for validation, dont pick equipment based on cool points, research the pros and cons, try out your options, choose what feels right for you and your style then use your tools to create art


First of all, I don't think it's up to one person to tell others why they should or shouldn't come to a forum for.

Secondly, It makes no difference what I spin on. If spinning on Vinyl will get me more "street cred" and probably more gigs, then so be it.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:28 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Ill answer all your questions with this answer....dont come to the forum for validation, dont pick equipment based on cool points, research the pros and cons, try out your options, choose what feels right for you and your style then use your tools to create art


First of all, I don't think it's up to one person to tell others why they should or shouldn't come to a forum for.

Secondly, It makes no difference what I spin on. If spinning on Vinyl will get me more "street cred" and probably more gigs, then so be it.



First of all dont ask a question if you dont want the answer...comming to a forum asking how to look cool is the opposite of looking cool

Secondly if it makes no difference then why ask the question why would you sell equipment to by new equipment if it makes no difference, if you getting gigs is dependant on what your using either your busniess game is shit or.......YOU DJ SO BAD
DJTorchmusic 5:28 PM - 5 December, 2012
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There is nuthin cool about a buncha buttons. Man turntables and vinyl alway have a cool factor off the strength that everything is completly manual, your giving people a show by just seeing an actual record spin. Had this convo with my boy a few weeks ago, he sold his 1200"s and ttm57 to go the controler route. Controllers are not what people invision when they picture a dj. So when you show up to a gig with this little controller unit i think most people just believe your a press button dj. CDJs have been used heavy over the past 15 years so people are used to seeing those too, still pretty much the same looking setup as 1200s, not knocking cdjs at all, but controllers on the other hand look like toys. i have used them for like small events, bday parties and outdoor events but i would never show up to a serious gig with a controller. I am 1200's all day.


I agree with you. Controllers always look like toys and even though they have a very practical application, marketing wise they simply don't look professional...for now. When I first rocked CDJs, years ago, people thought they looked like toys too.
DJ Ness Nice 5:33 PM - 5 December, 2012
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When I first rocked CDJs, years ago, people thought they looked like toys too.


Rite, but they became the norm. Turntables became a rare sight.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:08 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Controllers are not what people invision when they picture a dj. So when you show up to a gig with this little controller unit i think most people just believe your a press button dj.



I would disagree, 99% of gigs i do younger customers ask what the turntables are and the older customers hit me with the "wow people still use these" as far as clubs go me and one other dj use TTs...almost ANY other party you go to your gonna see a traktor controller
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:09 PM - 5 December, 2012
The ONLY people who care what equipment you use are other djs and if their looking at your equipment they obviously arent full of bookings
DJTorchmusic 6:17 PM - 5 December, 2012
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The ONLY people who care what equipment you use are other djs and if their looking at your equipment they obviously arent full of bookings


I have found that many promoters look too. Some are former Djs and some are wanna be DJs. My reasoning is since they make the difference between you getting work or not, you may have to "appeal" to their perception of what a good DJ is. Until they get to know you then you rocking some state of the are "sh**" would be cool to them.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:20 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I have found that many promoters look too. Some are former Djs and some are wanna be DJs. My reasoning is since they make the difference between you getting work or not, you may have to "appeal" to their perception of what a good DJ is.



A promoters idea of a good dj is a dj with a following. Creat a buzz for yourself and create a following and it wont matter if your playing an ipod on stage promoters will book u
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:22 PM - 5 December, 2012
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The ONLY people who care what equipment you use are other djs and if their looking at your equipment they obviously arent full of bookings


I have found that many promoters look too. Some are former Djs and some are wanna be DJs. My reasoning is since they make the difference between you getting work or not, you may have to "appeal" to their perception of what a good DJ is. Until they get to know you then you rocking some state of the are "sh**" would be cool to them.


Also even if all they cared about was your equipment your logic is still flawed...if they are former djs they prob respect TTs...which are the complete opposite of state of the art shit
phonze 6:23 PM - 5 December, 2012
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A promoters idea of a good dj is a dj with a following. Creat a buzz for yourself and create a following and it wont matter if your playing an ipod on stage promoters will book u


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DJTorchmusic 6:28 PM - 5 December, 2012
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A promoters idea of a good dj is a dj with a following. Creat a buzz for yourself and create a following and it wont matter if your playing an ipod on stage promoters will book u


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LOL! That's a good point. But, I just moved so my following, more than likely, won't travel 600 miles to see me. So, I have to go with their perception till I build a decent following, which could "take a while".
Niro 6:33 PM - 5 December, 2012
^^^ Some promoters will and some won't. I know a few promoters that won't book DJ's, unless they're on Turntables. Why, their promotion company/brand has a following and they appreciate the aesthetics of someone DJing and looking like they DJ. Unless you're putting on a major show with pyro's, led screens and stuff, pushing a play button is kind of boring. Promoters that require DJ's to have a following to get booked aren't promoters, they're the bottom feeder middle man. I would suggest, not working with those guys.

Also the statement of "I don't care what equipment you use, as long as you rock it" is very misleading and false. It does matter, we are visual creatures. They're are some guys (not too many ladies here) that would hump anything with a hole, but most of us need some kind of attraction, just as it wouldn't be the same as getting a BJ from a dude and a chick. It's always the ugly or really good looking chicks that say looks don't matter, because it doesn't apply to them.

Honestly nature will take it's course, the new technology was fun and exciting to look at, but the more exposure DJing has gotten, the more educated people are getting about it. I've had a few people say how nice it was to see someone DJing with turntables instead of playing DJ Hero.
DJTorchmusic 6:46 PM - 5 December, 2012
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^^^ Some promoters will and some won't. I know a few promoters that won't book DJ's, unless they're on Turntables. Why, their promotion company/brand has a following and they appreciate the aesthetics of someone DJing and looking like they DJ. Unless you're putting on a major show with pyro's, led screens and stuff, pushing a play button is kind of boring. Promoters that require DJ's to have a following to get booked aren't promoters, they're the bottom feeder middle man. I would suggest, not working with those guys.

Also the statement of "I don't care what equipment you use, as long as you rock it" is very misleading and false. It does matter, we are visual creatures. They're are some guys (not too many ladies here) that would hump anything with a hole, but most of us need some kind of attraction, just as it wouldn't be the same as getting a BJ from a dude and a chick. It's always the ugly or really good looking chicks that say looks don't matter, because it doesn't apply to them.

Honestly nature will take it's course, the new technology was fun and exciting to look at, but the more exposure DJing has gotten, the more educated people are getting about it. I've had a few people say how nice it was to see someone DJing with turntables instead of playing DJ Hero.


Lol! That's a creative answer.

When I say I don't really care what I spin on. I mean I can rock a party with pretty much anything that's put in front of me and in many clubs you have no choice. Of ourse I would prefer to spin on what I'm familiar with but even that's up for grabs. A perfect example is an athlete who prefers a certain shoe. He may prefer Adidas but can still perform well in some Pumas or Nikes.

As far as promoters being bottom feeders, I'm glad to hear you have the opportunity to avoid them or you are a wedding DJ. However, I believe many of us have found these "bottom feeding" promoters pay money too. In addition, at least half the promoters out there are, as you out it, "bottom feeders". At least in the markets I've played in.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:50 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Honestly nature will take it's course, the new technology was fun and exciting to look at, but the more exposure DJing has gotten, the more educated people are getting about it.



Nature did take its course thats why they no longer make technics and 4 new controllers drop each month and if you think the public has gotten more educated about djing you havent seen djmags top 100...9 outta 10 nondj club goers think guetta, paulyd, and paris hilton are top tier djs.....those same people think jazzy jeff was just a fresh prince character
DJTorchmusic 6:52 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Honestly nature will take it's course, the new technology was fun and exciting to look at, but the more exposure DJing has gotten, the more educated people are getting about it.



Nature did take its course thats why they no longer make technics and 4 new controllers drop each month and if you think the public has gotten more educated about djing you havent seen djmags top 100...9 outta 10 nondj club goers think guetta, paulyd, and paris hilton are top tier djs.....those same people think jazzy jeff was just a fresh prince character


Lol!!!! Well said!!
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:54 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Unless you're putting on a major show with pyro's, led screens and stuff, pushing a play button is kind of boring.



Unless you are putting on a major show (hell even when u are) 99.9% of the time your either in a booth out the way or behind a facade...noone can tell if your using a TT or a controller
DJ Ness Nice 6:57 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Controllers are not what people invision when they picture a dj. So when you show up to a gig with this little controller unit i think most people just believe your a press button dj.



I would disagree, 99% of gigs i do younger customers ask what the turntables are and the older customers hit me with the "wow people still use these" as far as clubs go me and one other dj use TTs...almost ANY other party you go to your gonna see a traktor controller


^^ If they askin they payin attention, hence the coo factor.. Most ppl say wow they still make those.. in the past 10yrs its been all about the cdjs i would say thats what the newer generation invision when they think of a dj setup... aint nobody checking for controllers. with those they just assume that you are pushing buttons.
DJTorchmusic 6:57 PM - 5 December, 2012
I hate to say it. But unless you're a big name or well know in your market, you're at the mercy of the promoters and their perception of what they think a DJ is.
DJTorchmusic 6:59 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I hate to say it. But unless you're a big name or well know in your market, you're at the mercy of the promoters and their perception of what they think a DJ is.


They pay the money
Mr. Goodkat 6:59 PM - 5 December, 2012
vinyl as in actually playing real records out, not playing dvs vinyl, at this point makes me just wonder why you would do it.

but i guess im more of a record collector that doesnt want to get his records messed up and would rather just rip them and play them with ssl.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:00 PM - 5 December, 2012
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aint nobody checking for controllers. with those they just assume that you are pushing buttons.



I would argue that a controller is the expected piece of equipment to the younger generation
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:03 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I hate to say it. But unless you're a big name or well know in your market, you're at the mercy of the promoters and their perception of what they think a DJ is.

This is true....but the issue you have is there ISNT a standard perception on what that is, i have promoters iny area who will NOT book a dj on a dvs...i have others that will laugh at you if you bring a huge TT setup to a gig, there are people who thinkpauly d is the greatest dj ever others who think deadmau5 others who think jeff you cant please everyones perceptions you can only create your own image and the people interested in that will attract to it
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:05 PM - 5 December, 2012
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vinyl as in actually playing real records out, not playing dvs vinyl, at this point makes me just wonder why you would do it.

but i guess im more of a record collector that doesnt want to get his records messed up and would rather just rip them and play them with ssl.

Yup the second you hook a tt up to dvs...Its a controller
Mr. Goodkat 7:09 PM - 5 December, 2012
the best controllers, when the tts are well taken care of and the booth is right for them.

i went back after a year with cdjs and it was so much better.
Niro 7:10 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Honestly nature will take it's course, the new technology was fun and exciting to look at, but the more exposure DJing has gotten, the more educated people are getting about it.



Nature did take its course thats why they no longer make technics and 4 new controllers drop each month and if you think the public has gotten more educated about djing you havent seen djmags top 100...9 outta 10 nondj club goers think guetta, paulyd, and paris hilton are top tier djs.....those same people think jazzy jeff was just a fresh prince character


It's not going to change over night, everything cycles in life and this will cycle it's way thru.

Also the turntable has always been somewhat of a controller, especially when you're able to change the pitch. You are essentially manipulating it to your desire, but it's true to form controller.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:11 PM - 5 December, 2012
Lets do a case study


Exibit a

Watchwww.youtube.com

Exibit b

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJ Remy USA 7:12 PM - 5 December, 2012
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There is nuthin cool about a buncha buttons. Man turntables and vinyl alway have a cool factor off the strength that everything is completly manual, your giving people a show by just seeing an actual record spin. Had this convo with my boy a few weeks ago, he sold his 1200"s and ttm57 to go the controler route. Controllers are not what people invision when they picture a dj. So when you show up to a gig with this little controller unit i think most people just believe your a press button dj. CDJs have been used heavy over the past 15 years so people are used to seeing those too, still pretty much the same looking setup as 1200s, not knocking cdjs at all, but controllers on the other hand look like toys. i have used them for like small events, bday parties and outdoor events but i would never show up to a serious gig with a controller. I am 1200's all day.


And thats the gospel....Amen
DJTorchmusic 7:13 PM - 5 December, 2012
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vinyl as in actually playing real records out, not playing dvs vinyl, at this point makes me just wonder why you would do it.

but i guess im more of a record collector that doesnt want to get his records messed up and would rather just rip them and play them with ssl.

Yup the second you hook a tt up to dvs...Its a controller


^^^ Exactly! It is only a controller, but it "looks better". There is more physical motion involved and if you're in a booth that's visibly available, you'll give off a better impression if you look like you're doing something.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:13 PM - 5 December, 2012
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:15 PM - 5 December, 2012
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vinyl as in actually playing real records out, not playing dvs vinyl, at this point makes me just wonder why you would do it.

but i guess im more of a record collector that doesnt want to get his records messed up and would rather just rip them and play them with ssl.

Yup the second you hook a tt up to dvs...Its a controller


^^^ Exactly! It is only a controller, but it "looks better". There is more physical motion involved and if you're in a booth that's visibly available, you'll give off a better impression if you look like you're doing something.


Just because your using a controller dosent mean you cant "do something" and just because your on vinyl dosent mean you are. No matter what u use you can be "doing something". Besided people should be drinking and dancing not looking at u
Mr. Goodkat 7:18 PM - 5 December, 2012
i wonder what the percentage of people under 25 using tts or not is.

i'd bet 80% not - 20% on tts.
Niro 7:18 PM - 5 December, 2012
It's a combination of watching you and drinking and dancing, the purpose of having a DJ is both audio and visual.
Mr. Goodkat 7:20 PM - 5 December, 2012
what if the booth is not visible to the crowd?
Niro 7:26 PM - 5 December, 2012
That's a big pet peeve of mine, when places hide the DJ or the setup. But either way they will look that direction.
DJ Matty Stiles 7:29 PM - 5 December, 2012
I had a girl in the booth the other night. She was watching me go wiki wiki and was impressed. I hooked up with her. I doubt that would've happened if i were using some gay controller haha
DJTorchmusic 7:31 PM - 5 December, 2012
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vinyl as in actually playing real records out, not playing dvs vinyl, at this point makes me just wonder why you would do it.

but i guess im more of a record collector that doesnt want to get his records messed up and would rather just rip them and play them with ssl.

Yup the second you hook a tt up to dvs...Its a controller


^^^ Exactly! It is only a controller, but it "looks better". There is more physical motion involved and if you're in a booth that's visibly available, you'll give off a better impression if you look like you're doing something.




Just because your using a controller dosent mean you cant "do something" and just because your on vinyl dosent mean you are. No matter what u use you can be "doing something". Besided people should be drinking and dancing not looking at u


I disagree! I want them looking at me!! I always saw myself as an "entertainer" and not just a DJ though. I want to have a relationship with the crowd and not just "play music". If I wanted them to just "dance and drink" to my music, then I might as well, "Press Play".
phonze 7:32 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I had a girl in the booth the other night. She was watching me go wiki wiki and was impressed. I hooked up with her. I doubt that would've happened if i were using some gay controller haha


lol you probably still could have hooked up. but at least you were able to use the line, "yeah i got fast hands." that's what I do anyway.
DJTorchmusic 7:33 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I had a girl in the booth the other night. She was watching me go wiki wiki and was impressed. I hooked up with her. I doubt that would've happened if i were using some gay controller haha


LOL! Try a controller next time and see. Dude...If a woman in hanging with you in the booth. She wants to .... you! You could have segued your music and still hit! LOL
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:37 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I had a girl in the booth the other night. She was watching me go wiki wiki and was impressed. I hooked up with her. I doubt that would've happened if i were using some gay controller haha

Or look at the flip side you coulda hit sync and been wikky wikkying her instead lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:38 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I had a girl in the booth the other night. She was watching me go wiki wiki and was impressed. I hooked up with her. I doubt that would've happened if i were using some gay controller haha


lol you probably still could have hooked up. but at least you were able to use the line, "yeah i got fast hands." that's what I do anyway.



Thats why i purchased a maschine lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:39 PM - 5 December, 2012
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vinyl as in actually playing real records out, not playing dvs vinyl, at this point makes me just wonder why you would do it.

but i guess im more of a record collector that doesnt want to get his records messed up and would rather just rip them and play them with ssl.

Yup the second you hook a tt up to dvs...Its a controller


^^^ Exactly! It is only a controller, but it "looks better". There is more physical motion involved and if you're in a booth that's visibly available, you'll give off a better impression if you look like you're doing something.




Just because your using a controller dosent mean you cant "do something" and just because your on vinyl dosent mean you are. No matter what u use you can be "doing something". Besided people should be drinking and dancing not looking at u


I disagree! I want them looking at me!! I always saw myself as an "entertainer" and not just a DJ though. I want to have a relationship with the crowd and not just "play music". If I wanted them to just "dance and drink" to my music, then I might as well, "Press Play".



Ya...as a customer i cant think of anything more entertaining than seeing someone move a disc back and forth lol
DJTorchmusic 7:40 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Lets do a case study


Exibit a

Watchwww.youtube.com

Exibit b

Watchwww.youtube.com


What I got from the Videos was a lack of creativity. But the person who scratched on the Vestax was better at scratching that the kids on the Denon SC3700/3900. (If I hear that "AW YEAH" scratch sample one more time I'm going to SCREEEEEEAAAAAMMM"!!!!!

Visually, the kids looked like they were "doing more" even though their performance was lacking a little.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:42 PM - 5 December, 2012
I can assure you from the crowds perspective noone would know the difference
DJTorchmusic 7:43 PM - 5 December, 2012
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vinyl as in actually playing real records out, not playing dvs vinyl, at this point makes me just wonder why you would do it.

but i guess im more of a record collector that doesnt want to get his records messed up and would rather just rip them and play them with ssl.

Yup the second you hook a tt up to dvs...Its a controller


^^^ Exactly! It is only a controller, but it "looks better". There is more physical motion involved and if you're in a booth that's visibly available, you'll give off a better impression if you look like you're doing something.




Just because your using a controller dosent mean you cant "do something" and just because your on vinyl dosent mean you are. No matter what u use you can be "doing something". Besided people should be drinking and dancing not looking at u


I disagree! I want them looking at me!! I always saw myself as an "entertainer" and not just a DJ though. I want to have a relationship with the crowd and not just "play music". If I wanted them to just "dance and drink" to my music, then I might as well, "Press Play".



Ya...as a customer i cant think of anything more entertaining than seeing someone move a disc back and forth lol


If that's all you do, then it sounds like I got you beat LOL! Dude, really...Is that all you do? No expressions? No Mike work? No Bouncing to the beat? No Fist Pumping? No Pointing to your friends? No showing the crowd love?

If not...use what I just said and improve your performance by 100%.
DJTorchmusic 7:44 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I can assure you from the crowds perspective noone would know the difference


Subliminally, they do.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:47 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Is that all you do? No expressions? No Mike work? No Bouncing to the beat? No Fist Pumping? No Pointing to your friends? No showing the crowd love?

If not...use what I just said and improve your performance by 100%.



And of everything on that list which are exclusive to turntables and which are exclusive to controllers?
DJTorchmusic 7:47 PM - 5 December, 2012
At least that's one thing I have to give to Pauly D. At least he tries to engage the crowd. Now, If I had his skills, I would hire a good, but unknown DJ to mix for him and focus on being a very highly paid Emcee. He's got personality and his voice is not that bad at all.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:48 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I can assure you from the crowds perspective noone would know the difference


Subliminally, they do.

Nope...subliminally YOU do! Lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:49 PM - 5 December, 2012
If you really wanna be an entertainer get one of these

Watchwww.youtube.com
DJTorchmusic 7:51 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Is that all you do? No expressions? No Mike work? No Bouncing to the beat? No Fist Pumping? No Pointing to your friends? No showing the crowd love?

If not...use what I just said and improve your performance by 100%.



And of everything on that list which are exclusive to turntables and which are exclusive to controllers?


Turntables and SC3900 decks. The reason is that both require more MOVEMENT than controllers or CDJs. People may not see the turntables, but they can see you moving them (body movement). You may not think the crowd notices that but they do!
DJTorchmusic 7:53 PM - 5 December, 2012
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If you really wanna be an entertainer get one of these

Watchwww.youtube.com


Dude...that's a performance artists who's doing a skit to music...
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:53 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Is that all you do? No expressions? No Mike work? No Bouncing to the beat? No Fist Pumping? No Pointing to your friends? No showing the crowd love?

If not...use what I just said and improve your performance by 100%.



And of everything on that list which are exclusive to turntables and which are exclusive to controllers?


Turntables and SC3900 decks. The reason is that both require more MOVEMENT than controllers or CDJs. People may not see the turntables, but they can see you moving them (body movement). You may not think the crowd notices that but they do!


So you cant work the mic, point to your friends, pump your fist, or bounce to the beat without turntables?

Theres a whole generation of producers proving you wrong daily lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:54 PM - 5 December, 2012
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If you really wanna be an entertainer get one of these

Watchwww.youtube.com


Dude...that's a performance artists who's doing a skit to music...



Nope thats an instrument
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:54 PM - 5 December, 2012
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DJTorchmusic 7:55 PM - 5 December, 2012
Bezzie, if you wanna stand there and mix like a stiff, that's your choice. I prefer to perform behind the one and twos and rock the crowd.

So, you are correct. In your assessment of what a DJ is. It won't make a difference what he spins on if you're just gonna sit up there and play music.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:55 PM - 5 December, 2012
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If you really wanna be an entertainer get one of these

Watchwww.youtube.com


Dude...that's a performance artists who's doing a skit to music...



So performance arent entertainers???
phonze 7:55 PM - 5 December, 2012
holy hell that's the nuttiest thing i've ever seen. i want one!
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:57 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Job of a dj...sit up there and play music
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:58 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Gotta admit that things pretty damn sweet, its called reaktable..theres a website for em
phonze 7:59 PM - 5 December, 2012
comment on youtube said they were like 10 G's or something
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:01 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I think u have to buy different kits....theres a mobile app though

www.reactable.com
Mr. Goodkat 8:02 PM - 5 December, 2012
its weird how some people are dead set that a dj should be some sort performer, when the dj should be the playing music. if you play the right music no one needs a dj douche jumping around and acting like rusko, blabbing on the mic all night.

99.9999999% of the time that gets annoying to the crowd. but the dj never asks the crowd and assumes they are doing it right.
DJTorchmusic 8:11 PM - 5 December, 2012
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its weird how some people are dead set that a dj should be some sort performer, when the dj should be the playing music. if you play the right music no one needs a dj douche jumping around and acting like rusko, blabbing on the mic all night.

99.9999999% of the time that gets annoying to the crowd. but the dj never asks the crowd and assumes they are doing it right.


If that's the case...might as well press play. There's a reason why most DJ booths are put in a place where a crowd can see them.

Like I said before "to each his own". If you wanna be "stiff" be "stiff". Your comment about "blabbing on the mic" is an ignorant one. BLABBING ON THE MIC IS A PART OF WHAT A REAL DJ DOES! That's how it was done back in the day. Everyone gets so enamored with the technical aspect about being a DJ, they totally forget about the history of the DJ. Way back int he Day, DJs didn't even mix! They played records like they do on the radio and would "BLAB" on the mic.

I'm not mad acha Kat, for thinking that way, but you need to realize there's a different world out there that what you have experienced.
DJTorchmusic 8:13 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Job of a dj...sit up there and play music


No...that's how you run your show. Not ALL DJs do that. Do your thing and others will do their thing.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:15 PM - 5 December, 2012
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its weird how some people are dead set that a dj should be some sort performer, when the dj should be the playing music. if you play the right music no one needs a dj douche jumping around and acting like rusko, blabbing on the mic all night.

99.9999999% of the time that gets annoying to the crowd. but the dj never asks the crowd and assumes they are doing it right.



In my professional opinion there are only two types of djs: type a and type b

Type A djs are djs who love music so much they got into djing then figured out they are good and decided to make money doing what they love

These djs are people who enjoy listening to music and getting paid

Type B djs are djs who crave attention above all else and need everything to be about them. In their mind that jay z song that went double platinum that half the customers listened to on the way over is missing something and just isnt enough until they do the cabbage patch while mixing it....cause hes why the crowd showed up right

These djs are people whos parents were to busy to take em to the zoo or their failure to throw em a bday party at chucky cheese when they were 6.

Im a solid type B dj lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:18 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Can u post a pic of a dj booth youve played at where people can see what your doin cause almost every big club ive played the booth is up high so u can see the crowd but behind a wall or facade...only places ive playef where people can see u is hole in the walls filling in for a band
DJTorchmusic 8:19 PM - 5 December, 2012
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its weird how some people are dead set that a dj should be some sort performer, when the dj should be the playing music. if you play the right music no one needs a dj douche jumping around and acting like rusko, blabbing on the mic all night.

99.9999999% of the time that gets annoying to the crowd. but the dj never asks the crowd and assumes they are doing it right.



In my professional opinion there are only two types of djs: type a and type b

Type A djs are djs who love music so much they got into djing then figured out they are good and decided to make money doing what they love

These djs are people who enjoy listening to music and getting paid

Type B djs are djs who crave attention above all else and need everything to be about them. In their mind that jay z song that went double platinum that half the customers listened to on the way over is missing something and just isnt enough until they do the cabbage patch while mixing it....cause hes why the crowd showed up right

These djs are people whos parents were to busy to take em to the zoo or their failure to throw em a bday party at chucky cheese when they were 6.

Im a solid type B dj lol


I bet you'd get quite a laugh out of doing the cabbage patch now. But, back in the day, DJs did do those dances on stage.

My myself, as a customer, YES I would even prefer you to do the cabbage patch then stand back there like a limp...dj. At least I'm getting entertained! LOL
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:20 PM - 5 December, 2012
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So once again why does it matter what equipment your on...as long as u have a mic you shpuld be good right
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:21 PM - 5 December, 2012
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No...that's how you run your show. Not ALL DJs do that. Do your thing and others will do their thing.



Which us exactly what i told you in my FIRST post...if thats what u think why the fuck did u start a thread asking US what YOU should do
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:22 PM - 5 December, 2012
WABBIT SEASON!
DJTorchmusic 8:26 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Some clubs don't use booths. They have something called a "Stage". These fixtures are usually built for high visibility performances like a band.
DJTorchmusic 8:28 PM - 5 December, 2012
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BLABBING ON THE MIC IS A PART OF WHAT A REAL DJ DOES! That's how it was done back in the day. Everyone gets so enamored with the technical aspect about being a DJ, they totally forget about the history of the DJ. Way back int he Day, DJs didn't even mix! They played records like they do on the radio and would "BLAB" on the mic



So once again why does it matter what equipment your on...as long as u have a mic you shpuld be good right


Turntables are more entertaining to watch than controllers. Using a mic is a different discussion all together.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:28 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Some clubs don't use booths. They have something called a "Stage". These fixtures are usually built for high visibility performances like a band.



Exactly what i said...built for high visibility performances LIKE A BAND
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:29 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Turntables are more entertaining to watch than controllers. Using a mic is a different discussion all together.



So once again....WHY ARE YOU ASKING US WHAT U SHOULD USE LOL
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:30 PM - 5 December, 2012
DUCK SEASON
DJTorchmusic 8:31 PM - 5 December, 2012
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No...that's how you run your show. Not ALL DJs do that. Do your thing and others will do their thing.



Which us exactly what i told you in my FIRST post...if thats what u think why the fuck did u start a thread asking US what YOU should do


You big dummy (said like red fox). We were not on this topic on the beginning of conversation! Bezzie...you're trying to debate without having enough experience nor being knowledgeable enough. I need to get something to eat and I'm sure you have better things to do with your time.

Your style is your style.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:31 PM - 5 December, 2012
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BLABBING ON THE MIC IS A PART OF WHAT A REAL DJ DOES! That's how it was done back in the day. Everyone gets so enamored with the technical aspect about being a DJ, they totally forget about the history of the DJ. Way back int he Day, DJs didn't even mix! They played records like they do on the radio and would "BLAB" on the mic



So once again why does it matter what equipment your on...as long as u have a mic you shpuld be good right


Turntables are more entertaining to watch than controllers. Using a mic is a different discussion all together.




You wanna know whats more entertaining than turntables..acrobats..go sell your gear and buy a trampoline
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:32 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Your style is your style.


So why are u asking us what YOUR style should be?
DJTorchmusic 8:33 PM - 5 December, 2012
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BLABBING ON THE MIC IS A PART OF WHAT A REAL DJ DOES! That's how it was done back in the day. Everyone gets so enamored with the technical aspect about being a DJ, they totally forget about the history of the DJ. Way back int he Day, DJs didn't even mix! They played records like they do on the radio and would "BLAB" on the mic



So once again why does it matter what equipment your on...as long as u have a mic you shpuld be good right


Turntables are more entertaining to watch than controllers. Using a mic is a different discussion all together.




You wanna know whats more entertaining than turntables..acrobats..go sell your gear and buy a trampoline


Grow up...
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:34 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I need to get something to eat and I'm sure you have better things to do with your time.



You must be new to the forum cause once again your wrong
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:34 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I need to get something to eat and I'm sure you have better things to do with your time.



You must be new to the forum cause once again your wrong
DJTorchmusic 8:36 PM - 5 December, 2012
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You must be new to the forum cause once again your wrong


LOL! You mean you don't have anything better to do? That's not good. Do some chores, clean up a little work out, Practice mixing or something. Practice being stiff on Stage. I gotta go.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:39 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I gotta go.


Your gonna go before one of us explains to you what equipment you should perfer? How will you "do your thing" if we dont give our opinion on what your thing is?
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:44 PM - 5 December, 2012
Mr. Goodkat 9:33 PM - 5 December, 2012
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its weird how some people are dead set that a dj should be some sort performer, when the dj should be the playing music. if you play the right music no one needs a dj douche jumping around and acting like rusko, blabbing on the mic all night.

99.9999999% of the time that gets annoying to the crowd. but the dj never asks the crowd and assumes they are doing it right.


If that's the case...might as well press play. There's a reason why most DJ booths are put in a place where a crowd can see them.

Like I said before "to each his own". If you wanna be "stiff" be "stiff". Your comment about "blabbing on the mic" is an ignorant one. BLABBING ON THE MIC IS A PART OF WHAT A REAL DJ DOES! That's how it was done back in the day. Everyone gets so enamored with the technical aspect about being a DJ, they totally forget about the history of the DJ. Way back int he Day, DJs didn't even mix! They played records like they do on the radio and would "BLAB" on the mic.

I'm not mad acha Kat, for thinking that way, but you need to realize there's a different world out there that what you have experienced.


i see what your saying, im not scared to get on the mic bounce around have drinks with the homies, and say a few things here an there, but damn, some people really take it overboard with sfx, yelling on the mic constantly and such.

of course majority black clubs and majority non black clubs differ in how much i would be on the mic. doesnt make the 'over-mc' dj any less annoying to customers.
dj_soo 9:58 PM - 5 December, 2012
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Ill answer all your questions with this answer....dont come to the forum for validation, dont pick equipment based on cool points, research the pros and cons, try out your options, choose what feels right for you and your style then use your tools to create art


First of all, I don't think it's up to one person to tell others why they should or shouldn't come to a forum for.

Secondly, It makes no difference what I spin on. If spinning on Vinyl will get me more "street cred" and probably more gigs, then so be it.


If you think "street cred" will get you more gigs than you're in for a rude awakening.
O.B.1 10:14 PM - 5 December, 2012
also depends on the genre... and i'm about to generalize here but - most hip-hop guys prefer TT's of course, most EDM gays prefer CDJ's, most nooobs prefer controllers.
-personally I prefer TT's and I spin mostly open format. If you do any kind of scratching/juggling at all, it is hard to make it look convincing on anything other than TT's.
There are some who can pull it off, but they're few and far between.
Mr. Goodkat 10:27 PM - 5 December, 2012
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First of all, I don't think it's up to one person to tell others why they should or shouldn't come to a forum for.

Secondly, It makes no difference what I spin on. If spinning on Vinyl will get me more "street cred" and probably more gigs, then so be it.


If you think "street cred" will get you more gigs than you're in for a rude awakening.


if the cred is among djs and loyal music fans, sometimes it you can a few gigs.

thats why being able to spin on all formats is important.
DJ Remy USA 10:39 PM - 5 December, 2012
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I have found that many promoters look too. Some are former Djs and some are wanna be DJs. My reasoning is since they make the difference between you getting work or not, you may have to "appeal" to their perception of what a good DJ is.



A promoters idea of a good dj is a dj with a following. Creat a buzz for yourself and create a following and it wont matter if your playing an ipod on stage promoters will book u


sad truth...however there are still handful of

that was boring...without the light show you could have turned on a premixed CD. Just my opinion but the crowd was feeling so I guess thats what matters to most
dj_soo 10:41 PM - 5 December, 2012
It can get you some gigs, but I wouldn't say it gets you "more" gigs.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:55 AM - 6 December, 2012
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that was boring...without the light show you could have turned on a premixed CD. Just my opinion but the crowd was feeling so I guess thats what matters to most



that was the point i was goin for
DJTorchmusic 8:32 PM - 6 December, 2012
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that was boring...without the light show you could have turned on a premixed CD. Just my opinion but the crowd was feeling so I guess thats what matters to most



that was the point i was goin for


That I completely Agree with.
DJTorchmusic 8:41 PM - 6 December, 2012
I like Porter's music. But, I think it's safe for me to say that EDM is simply not a "live performer's" Genre'. They are music producers (fine ones) who are marketed as DJs.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:45 PM - 6 December, 2012
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that was boring...without the light show you could have turned on a premixed CD. Just my opinion but the crowd was feeling so I guess thats what matters to most



that was the point i was goin for


That I completely Agree with.

So you agree the crowd could care lesswhat the dj is using
DJ DisGrace 8:47 PM - 6 December, 2012
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I like Porter's music. But, I think it's safe for me to say that EDM is simply not a "live performer's" Genre'. They are music producers (fine ones) who are marketed as DJs.

They are lazy producers. There is no reason they can't be doing their sets live (other than having ghost producers). This is what I expect when I go see an "EDM DJ" serato.com
DJ DisGrace 8:48 PM - 6 December, 2012
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when I go see an "EDM DJ"

LOL and I don't, or wouldn't
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:55 PM - 6 December, 2012
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I like Porter's music. But, I think it's safe for me to say that EDM is simply not a "live performer's" Genre'. They are music producers (fine ones) who are marketed as DJs.

They are lazy producers. There is no reason they can't be doing their sets live (other than having ghost producers). This is what I expect when I go see an "EDM DJ" serato.com



You expect it see enfernos live remix project when you go to see an edm dj.....
DJTorchmusic 8:55 PM - 6 December, 2012
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that was boring...without the light show you could have turned on a premixed CD. Just my opinion but the crowd was feeling so I guess thats what matters to most



that was the point i was goin for


That I completely Agree with.

So you agree the crowd could care lesswhat the dj is using


Yes and No.

Let's just say EDM crowds are more "forgiving" when it comes to "showmanship" and or performance.

If you can see the DJ it's so much more enjoyable to watch someone on a "disc based system" that a controller. I was watching a DJ last night at the club and even though I did not agree with his programming, he was interesting to watch because he was on Turntables. When your "bored" in a club you notice things like this.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:55 PM - 6 December, 2012
You must be oftely dissappointed
DJTorchmusic 9:04 PM - 6 December, 2012
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Yes
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:22 PM - 6 December, 2012
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Yes


I was talkin to disgrace...i assumed from your posts your no stranger to dissappointment, wasnt shocking
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:24 PM - 6 December, 2012
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that was boring...without the light show you could have turned on a premixed CD. Just my opinion but the crowd was feeling so I guess thats what matters to most



that was the point i was goin for


That I completely Agree with.

So you agree the crowd could care lesswhat the dj is using


Yes and No.

Let's just say EDM crowds are more "forgiving" when it comes to "showmanship" and or performance.

If you can see the DJ it's so much more enjoyable to watch someone on a "disc based system" that a controller. I was watching a DJ last night at the club and even though I did not agree with his programming, he was interesting to watch because he was on Turntables. When your "bored" in a club you notice things like this.


How can you say edm djs arent showmen...skrillex flys around stage on a ufo

And of course the djs turntables entertained u....ur a dj who likes turntabled
dj_soo 9:28 PM - 6 December, 2012
the new jack guys are showmen in the way someone like brittany spears is a show(wo)man - they don't much or anything live but go through pre-determined and pre-recorded songs.

wait, I take that back - at least brittany dances - that takes skill...
Mr. Goodkat 9:30 PM - 6 December, 2012
kinda proves that people dont care what you spin on or how well you spin, doesn't it??

and my point is its just the music that matters.(too most)
dj_soo 9:31 PM - 6 December, 2012
yeap - we're in a time where you don't have to know how to sing in order to be a popular platinum-selling "singer"
phonze 9:31 PM - 6 December, 2012
that porter robinson video is pretty much why i don't get too excited going to an EDM music festival. Unless A-trak or Craze or playing, I don't really pay attention. I'm mostly there to get faded and check out chicks dancing anyway.
DJ DisGrace 9:52 PM - 6 December, 2012
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I like Porter's music. But, I think it's safe for me to say that EDM is simply not a "live performer's" Genre'. They are music producers (fine ones) who are marketed as DJs.

They are lazy producers. There is no reason they can't be doing their sets live (other than having ghost producers). This is what I expect when I go see an "EDM DJ" serato.com



You expect it see enfernos live remix project when you go to see an edm dj.....

Well I would at least expect to see some live triggers, loops, some MPC work. There is no reason they can't do that... Instead they press play, clap their hands, pour shots into people's mouths, or wear a ridiculous mouse helmet.

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Well, if I've never bothered to pay to see such tomfoolery, I can't be disappointed. Other than some local cats, I can honestly say I've never been to see an "EDM DJ".
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:59 PM - 6 December, 2012
Makes sense, to each their own. Im of the mind that if i love a song i live a song, i dont care who pushed play or what their doin up on stage
DJ DisGrace 10:02 PM - 6 December, 2012
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Yea, I get that. I'm the kind of guy that wants to see how the "artist" at work. I can press play at home.

I could watch isshh like this allll day Watchwww.youtube.com
DJTorchmusic 2:16 AM - 8 December, 2012
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Makes sense, to each their own. Im of the mind that if i love a song i live a song, i dont care who pushed play or what their doin up on stage

Yea, I get that. I'm the kind of guy that wants to see how the "artist" at work. I can press play at home.

I could watch isshh like this allll day Watchwww.youtube.com


That was a damn great video. It showed me shit I can use...tonight! ...>Deep. Thanks for sharing that Grace.
DJ DisGrace 2:29 AM - 8 December, 2012
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Makes sense, to each their own. Im of the mind that if i love a song i live a song, i dont care who pushed play or what their doin up on stage

Yea, I get that. I'm the kind of guy that wants to see how the "artist" at work. I can press play at home.

I could watch isshh like this allll day Watchwww.youtube.com


That was a damn great video. It showed me shit I can use...tonight! ...>Deep. Thanks for sharing that Grace.

There's a whole of bunch of those... the Mama Said Knock You Out" one literally gave me chills
DJTorchmusic 2:36 AM - 8 December, 2012
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Makes sense, to each their own. Im of the mind that if i love a song i live a song, i dont care who pushed play or what their doin up on stage

Yea, I get that. I'm the kind of guy that wants to see how the "artist" at work. I can press play at home.

I could watch isshh like this allll day Watchwww.youtube.com


That was a damn great video. It showed me shit I can use...tonight! ...>Deep. Thanks for sharing that Grace.

There's a whole of bunch of those... the Mama Said Knock You Out" one literally gave me chills


I need to carve out a day to watch em. I learned a lot about production just from that one video.
DJTorchmusic 2:54 AM - 8 December, 2012
Back to the subject. I decided to migrate back to using turntables as my primary decks. One of the major reasons is that most of the clubs here still use them so I won't have to worry about hauling them around and unless you're a "million dollar DJ" they don't want you unplugging their stuff so you can put in your stuff anyways. I like CDJs (or Denons) because, in many cases they weigh 1/4th that of a turntable and don't have issues with low end rumble, broken needles, stolen needles, wear, etc. So, If I was focusing on Mobiles, I'd use what I have now (because of weight). But, since I'm gonna be "clubbin' it" on Vinyl, I want to use Vinyl for my practice decks.

Now I just need to decide on a mixer (needs to use both Serato and Traktor).
dj_soo 8:42 AM - 8 December, 2012
pioneer DJM T1 - really cheap now, supports traktor natively, add a serato box and you can map all the buttons to serato if you choose.
DJTorchmusic 9:32 AM - 8 December, 2012
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I saw that. But I think I like the DN X1600 a little better.
slimmjimm 5:21 PM - 8 December, 2012
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+1 on this, I've been using it since march and its been a really nice mixer, I don't have too many complaints about it at all.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:48 PM - 8 December, 2012
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+1 on this, I've been using it since march and its been a really nice mixer, I don't have too many complaints about it at all.



is the crossfader midi? can it be used with mix emergency or the bridge?
FabulousFrequencies 9:15 PM - 8 December, 2012
Senseless post.. Everybody knows Ruthless owns you all:

Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

So you can all put your dicks away now.

- Matt
DJTorchmusic 9:50 PM - 8 December, 2012
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Senseless post.. Everybody knows Ruthless owns you all:

Watchwww.youtube.com

Watchwww.youtube.com

So you can all put your dicks away now.

- Matt


Ha ha! That was funny!
slimmjimm 10:01 PM - 8 December, 2012
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Yes, crossfader is midi, I use it with ME every weekend. I'm not sure about Bridge, I don't use it.
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:03 PM - 8 December, 2012
awesome! i may look into that mixer!
DJTorchmusic 10:05 PM - 8 December, 2012
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Yes, crossfader is midi, I use it with ME every weekend. I'm not sure about Bridge, I don't use it.


The T1 looks cool. I believe it's the mixer that inspired native instruments to take a stab at the mixer market with the Z2. But, what does it have over the Denon X1600 which does both serato and traktor natively and has 4 Channel faders?
slimmjimm 3:38 AM - 9 December, 2012
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Yes, crossfader is midi, I use it with ME every weekend. I'm not sure about Bridge, I don't use it.


The T1 looks cool. I believe it's the mixer that inspired native instruments to take a stab at the mixer market with the Z2. But, what does it have over the Denon X1600 which does both serato and traktor natively and has 4 Channel faders?


Neither will do Serato natively, if 4 channels are what you're looking for, then the Denon fits the bill. For me, I really didn't need 4 channels (even though I've always wanted a 4 channel mixer) even if I got an sl3, the Pio and the new Vestax PMC essentially have a 3rd channel for the SP-6.
dj_soo 2:26 AM - 11 December, 2012
yea, no mixers other than Rane mixers do serato natively - you will still need to use your serato box. A few are "traktor certified" or something but I'm not sure if you still need a Traktor box as a dongle... (don't use it myself)
DJ Remy USA 12:24 AM - 13 December, 2012
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yea, no mixers other than Rane mixers do serato natively - you will still need to use your serato box. A few are "traktor certified" or something but I'm not sure if you still need a Traktor box as a dongle... (don't use it myself)


Nope I had korg zero 4 and I used traktor through it. I did not like tho this was like 2 summers ago.
pdidy 1:58 AM - 13 December, 2012
In regards to some negative controller comment:
You sound like the people who thought automobiles were a passing fad. Some reacted that way to the telephone and the Personal computer too. Controllers sell more than all turntable and cd player markets and its just getting started. This is not a fad. It's the future, maybe not YOUR future but the fact remains...... More efficient,Reliable,stable, portable,cheaper controllers are in our near future and will make turntables and cd players an endangered species. Controller are currently still in its infancy stage but in a few more years it will absolutely RULE the dj market......Evolution is inevitable......Truth.

Disclaimer: turntables and cd players are also controllers but obviously not the point of this topic. (You gotta state that for the smart azzes.....;)

BTW....1200s are my preferred tool of choice.
pdidy 2:02 AM - 13 December, 2012
^^^^Posted in wrong thread but it still applies here....
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:31 AM - 13 December, 2012
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^^^^Posted in wrong thread but it still applies here....

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the Snowman 2:35 AM - 13 December, 2012
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Yea, I get that. I'm the kind of guy that wants to see how the "artist" at work. I can press play at home.

I could watch isshh like this allll day Watchwww.youtube.com


Damn, that sh*t was inspiring...I love to see how he put it together. Hip hop is f*cking magical to me, taking bits and pieces of something, anything, and creating a god damn masterpiece. In the infamous words of the teacher, KRS, "Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live!" I live for this sh*t, and no matter what the present or future bring for the art of DJ'ing, turntables always screams hip hop and hip hop culture to me (CDJ's always make me think of EDM), that is how Kool DJ Herc started the art form, on the one's and two's!

I miss the culture of Hip Hop, more than I miss real Hip Hop music: B-Boys, Graffiti, MC's, and DJ's...on the one's and two's. I remember when the DJ was more famous than the rapper...ah the good ol' days! Yeah, this rant is probably off topic...lol
DJTorchmusic 6:47 AM - 13 December, 2012
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Yea, I get that. I'm the kind of guy that wants to see how the "artist" at work. I can press play at home.

I could watch isshh like this allll day Watchwww.youtube.com


Damn, that sh*t was inspiring...I love to see how he put it together. Hip hop is f*cking magical to me, taking bits and pieces of something, anything, and creating a god damn masterpiece. In the infamous words of the teacher, KRS, "Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live!" I live for this sh*t, and no matter what the present or future bring for the art of DJ'ing, turntables always screams hip hop and hip hop culture to me (CDJ's always make me think of EDM), that is how Kool DJ Herc started the art form, on the one's and two's!

I miss the culture of Hip Hop, more than I miss real Hip Hop music: B-Boys, Graffiti, MC's, and DJ's...on the one's and two's. I remember when the DJ was more famous than the rapper...ah the good ol' days! Yeah, this rant is probably off topic...lol


I'm feeling you. It seems like fokes are making DJing more "technical" and less Artistic.
DJTorchmusic 6:54 AM - 13 December, 2012
Back to the topic tho. I do agree controllers are here to stay. But, I have to agree with the other guys that I prefer to see someone on turntables than anything else (even though they are heavy to lug around and don't have builtin control buttons and stuff). The next club I'm spinning in has CDJs. But, I'd rather practice on Vinyl and adjust to CDJs than the other way around. I'm convinced CDJs are easier to use (they don't skip) so adjusting to them would be easy.
DJ GaFFle 12:53 PM - 15 December, 2012
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Yea, I get that. I'm the kind of guy that wants to see how the "artist" at work. I can press play at home.

I could watch isshh like this allll day Watchwww.youtube.com


Damn, that sh*t was inspiring...I love to see how he put it together. Hip hop is f*cking magical to me, taking bits and pieces of something, anything, and creating a god damn masterpiece. In the infamous words of the teacher, KRS, "Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live!" I live for this sh*t, and no matter what the present or future bring for the art of DJ'ing, turntables always screams hip hop and hip hop culture to me (CDJ's always make me think of EDM), that is how Kool DJ Herc started the art form, on the one's and two's!

I miss the culture of Hip Hop, more than I miss real Hip Hop music: B-Boys, Graffiti, MC's, and DJ's...on the one's and two's. I remember when the DJ was more famous than the rapper...ah the good ol' days! Yeah, this rant is probably off topic...lol


I'm feeling you. It seems like fokes are making DJing more "technical" and less Artistic.

WoW! Damn, I gotta subscribed to that! You could have dedicated an entire thread to that link...
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:12 PM - 15 December, 2012
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Yea, I get that. I'm the kind of guy that wants to see how the "artist" at work. I can press play at home.

I could watch isshh like this allll day Watchwww.youtube.com


Damn, that sh*t was inspiring...I love to see how he put it together. Hip hop is f*cking magical to me, taking bits and pieces of something, anything, and creating a god damn masterpiece. In the infamous words of the teacher, KRS, "Rap is something you do, Hip Hop is something you live!" I live for this sh*t, and no matter what the present or future bring for the art of DJ'ing, turntables always screams hip hop and hip hop culture to me (CDJ's always make me think of EDM), that is how Kool DJ Herc started the art form, on the one's and two's!

I miss the culture of Hip Hop, more than I miss real Hip Hop music: B-Boys, Graffiti, MC's, and DJ's...on the one's and two's. I remember when the DJ was more famous than the rapper...ah the good ol' days! Yeah, this rant is probably off topic...lol


I'm feeling you. It seems like fokes are making DJing more "technical" and less Artistic.

WoW! Damn, I gotta subscribed to that! You could have dedicated an entire thread to that link...

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slimmjimm 2:14 PM - 15 December, 2012
Thanks, now I want to go buy another MPC.
DJTorchmusic 7:31 PM - 15 December, 2012
Here's my theory on DJ Swagger:

For hip hop and RnB I would say turntables are king and visually does make a difference to it's listeners. The reason I say this is because turntables are a part of the Genre (Hip Hop) and Vintage (RnB).

For EDM/Electronica - These people don't care because the Genre' is more based on "ingenuity" than raw physical skill (movement).
the_black_one 7:53 PM - 15 December, 2012
i used to get looks from Dance music katz when i would show up with a battle mixer and 1200's rocking dance music...... I just did my thing with the equipment that i have been using and comfortable for 18 years. I had on of them katz tell me .... "Records and turntables.... who uses those anymore?" 30 minutes into my set dude was shocked and actually came up to me and apologized for his comment earlier. I know and feel very comfortable with CDJ's (PIONEER) and will use them if at the club that i'm at has them installed in the booth but if there is any room imma rock the turntables.
DJTorchmusic 7:56 PM - 15 December, 2012
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i used to get looks from Dance music katz when i would show up with a battle mixer and 1200's rocking dance music...... I just did my thing with the equipment that i have been using and comfortable for 18 years. I had on of them katz tell me .... "Records and turntables.... who uses those anymore?" 30 minutes into my set dude was shocked and actually came up to me and apologized for his comment earlier. I know and feel very comfortable with CDJ's (PIONEER) and will use them if at the club that i'm at has them installed in the booth but if there is any room imma rock the turntables.


That's how Electronica/EDM fans think (about turntables). At a Hip Hop/RnB Party, you won't get that response...I never did.
the_black_one 8:02 PM - 15 December, 2012
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i used to get looks from Dance music katz when i would show up with a battle mixer and 1200's rocking dance music...... I just did my thing with the equipment that i have been using and comfortable for 18 years. I had on of them katz tell me .... "Records and turntables.... who uses those anymore?" 30 minutes into my set dude was shocked and actually came up to me and apologized for his comment earlier. I know and feel very comfortable with CDJ's (PIONEER) and will use them if at the club that i'm at has them installed in the booth but if there is any room imma rock the turntables.


That's how Electronica/EDM fans think (about turntables). At a Hip Hop/RnB Party, you won't get that response...I never did.



man.... back in the day it was just DANCE music now the kids call it EDM.... GTFO!!!
DJTorchmusic 8:05 PM - 15 December, 2012
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i used to get looks from Dance music katz when i would show up with a battle mixer and 1200's rocking dance music...... I just did my thing with the equipment that i have been using and comfortable for 18 years. I had on of them katz tell me .... "Records and turntables.... who uses those anymore?" 30 minutes into my set dude was shocked and actually came up to me and apologized for his comment earlier. I know and feel very comfortable with CDJ's (PIONEER) and will use them if at the club that i'm at has them installed in the booth but if there is any room imma rock the turntables.


That's how Electronica/EDM fans think (about turntables). At a Hip Hop/RnB Party, you won't get that response...I never did.


LMAO!! I feel you! It's all Marketing.


man.... back in the day it was just DANCE music now the kids call it EDM.... GTFO!!!
DJTorchmusic 8:06 PM - 15 December, 2012
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i used to get looks from Dance music katz when i would show up with a battle mixer and 1200's rocking dance music...... I just did my thing with the equipment that i have been using and comfortable for 18 years. I had on of them katz tell me .... "Records and turntables.... who uses those anymore?" 30 minutes into my set dude was shocked and actually came up to me and apologized for his comment earlier. I know and feel very comfortable with CDJ's (PIONEER) and will use them if at the club that i'm at has them installed in the booth but if there is any room imma rock the turntables.


That's how Electronica/EDM fans think (about turntables). At a Hip Hop/RnB Party, you won't get that response...I never did.


Marketing! It's the same ish!

LMAO!! I feel you! It's all Marketing.


man.... back in the day it was just DANCE music now the kids call it EDM.... GTFO!!!
DJTorchmusic 8:08 PM - 15 December, 2012
In contrast, RnB has drastically changed and it still is called RnB.
the_black_one 8:09 PM - 15 December, 2012
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i used to get looks from Dance music katz when i would show up with a battle mixer and 1200's rocking dance music...... I just did my thing with the equipment that i have been using and comfortable for 18 years. I had on of them katz tell me .... "Records and turntables.... who uses those anymore?" 30 minutes into my set dude was shocked and actually came up to me and apologized for his comment earlier. I know and feel very comfortable with CDJ's (PIONEER) and will use them if at the club that i'm at has them installed in the booth but if there is any room imma rock the turntables.


That's how Electronica/EDM fans think (about turntables). At a Hip Hop/RnB Party, you won't get that response...I never did.


Marketing! It's the same ish!

LMAO!! I feel you! It's all Marketing.


man.... back in the day it was just DANCE music now the kids call it EDM.... GTFO!!!



yeah..... Another one is "ELECTRONIC FESTIVALS" .... come on son.... They are raves and before the marketing monster got a hold of it, the raves were on the down low in a remote location. Now it's 40 bucks to see a dude play a mix cd
the_black_one 8:09 PM - 15 December, 2012
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AMEN !!!!!!
DJTorchmusic 8:10 PM - 15 December, 2012
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i used to get looks from Dance music katz when i would show up with a battle mixer and 1200's rocking dance music...... I just did my thing with the equipment that i have been using and comfortable for 18 years. I had on of them katz tell me .... "Records and turntables.... who uses those anymore?" 30 minutes into my set dude was shocked and actually came up to me and apologized for his comment earlier. I know and feel very comfortable with CDJ's (PIONEER) and will use them if at the club that i'm at has them installed in the booth but if there is any room imma rock the turntables.


That's how Electronica/EDM fans think (about turntables). At a Hip Hop/RnB Party, you won't get that response...I never did.


LOL!!! True that!!! Oh...you forgot about the light show!

Marketing! It's the same ish!

LMAO!! I feel you! It's all Marketing.


man.... back in the day it was just DANCE music now the kids call it EDM.... GTFO!!!



yeah..... Another one is "ELECTRONIC FESTIVALS" .... come on son.... They are raves and before the marketing monster got a hold of it, the raves were on the down low in a remote location. Now it's 40 bucks to see a dude play a mix cd
the_black_one 8:11 PM - 15 December, 2012
Thins are bound to to change but once they get fucked by the marketing monster, they usually get watered down and raped by mass appeal
the_black_one 8:11 PM - 15 December, 2012
dont get me started on the lights!!!!!
DJTorchmusic 8:11 PM - 15 December, 2012
That's why the word "Electronic Musician" is no longer used. People could not connect with that. So, now these musicians call themselves "DJs".
DJTorchmusic 8:12 PM - 15 December, 2012
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LOL
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i used to get looks from Dance music katz when i would show up with a battle mixer and 1200's rocking dance music...... I just did my thing with the equipment that i have been using and comfortable for 18 years. I had on of them katz tell me .... "Records and turntables.... who uses those anymore?" 30 minutes into my set dude was shocked and actually came up to me and apologized for his comment earlier. I know and feel very comfortable with CDJ's (PIONEER) and will use them if at the club that i'm at has them installed in the booth but if there is any room imma rock the turntables.


That's how Electronica/EDM fans think (about turntables). At a Hip Hop/RnB Party, you won't get that response...I never did.



There are alot of legal reasons behind that one
Marketing! It's the same ish!

LMAO!! I feel you! It's all Marketing.


man.... back in the day it was just DANCE music now the kids call it EDM.... GTFO!!!



yeah..... Another one is "ELECTRONIC FESTIVALS" .... come on son.... They are raves and before the marketing monster got a hold of it, the raves were on the down low in a remote location. Now it's 40 bucks to see a dude play a mix cd
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:14 PM - 15 December, 2012
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That's why the word "Electronic Musician" is no longer used. People could not connect with that. So, now these musicians call themselves "DJs".

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the_black_one 8:16 PM - 15 December, 2012
Drake, lil wayne, nicki m,....... i just shake my head....the state of music now in days is horrible. You got paris hilton Djing, alicia keys DJing.... COME ON SON!!!
DJTorchmusic 8:19 PM - 15 December, 2012
Alicia is DJing??? LOL WTH?? She's an accomplished Pianist! She don't need to DJ!
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:20 PM - 15 December, 2012
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Alicia is DJing??? LOL WTH?? She's an accomplished Pianist! She don't need to DJ!

ya but it kinda makes since since shes married to swizz beatz
DJTorchmusic 8:22 PM - 15 December, 2012
Has he made anything new lately? He was big in the 90s.
the_black_one 8:23 PM - 15 December, 2012
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Alicia is DJing??? LOL WTH?? She's an accomplished Pianist! She don't need to DJ!



yeah man.... there is a vid going around where she is just dropping heaters at a party!!
DJTorchmusic 8:23 PM - 15 December, 2012
I assume she's better than Paris.
the_black_one 8:24 PM - 15 December, 2012
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I assume she's better than Paris.



OH GOD YES.... my 3 year old nephew is better that paris.....
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:26 PM - 15 December, 2012
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OH GOD YES.... my 3 year old nephew is better that paris.....


hey guys thats debateable....paris is only as good as the dj she buys her mix from lol
DJTorchmusic 8:28 PM - 15 December, 2012
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OH GOD YES.... my 3 year old nephew is better that paris.....


hey guys thats debateable....paris is only as good as the dj she buys her mix from lol


LOL Bezzie! That's a good one!
DJTorchmusic 8:31 PM - 15 December, 2012
DJ Premier was rocking a NS7!!!! No turntables in site!

Watchwww.youtube.com
the Snowman 2:21 AM - 19 December, 2012
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DJ Premier was rocking a NS7!!!! No turntables in site!

Watchwww.youtube.com

Did I miss something? I didn't see Primo in that clip...

Not much skills, but A. Keys had a good song selection...classic mid-90's NYC set...brought back memories.
DJTorchmusic 2:24 AM - 19 December, 2012
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DJ Premier was rocking a NS7!!!! No turntables in site!

Watchwww.youtube.com

Did I miss something? I didn't see Primo in that clip...

Not much skills, but A. Keys had a good song selection...classic mid-90's NYC set...brought back memories.


The best skill one can have is song selection.
DJ JT Stevens 2:41 AM - 19 December, 2012
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DJ Premier was rocking a NS7!!!! No turntables in site!

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Did I miss something? I didn't see Primo in that clip...

Not much skills, but A. Keys had a good song selection...classic mid-90's NYC set...brought back memories.


The best skill one can have is song selection.

This is true. However the thing that bothers me about that video is how she said she learned to DJ at 9:45 that same night.

I'm sure that's a bit of hyperbole on her part but unfortunately it's still an indication of the current state and perception of the scene. To me it gives people the wrong impression that "with just a 30 minute lesson and a Numark NS7, you too can learn to be a DJ".

Maybe I'm reading into it too much but that's what I took away from it.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:43 AM - 19 December, 2012
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DJ Premier was rocking a NS7!!!! No turntables in site!

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Did I miss something? I didn't see Primo in that clip...

Not much skills, but A. Keys had a good song selection...classic mid-90's NYC set...brought back memories.


The best skill one can have is song selection.

This is true. However the thing that bothers me about that video is how she said she learned to DJ at 9:45 that same night.

I'm sure that's a bit of hyperbole on her part but unfortunately it's still an indication of the current state and perception of the scene. To me it gives people the wrong impression that "with just a 30 minute lesson and a Numark NS7, you too can learn to be a DJ".

Maybe I'm reading into it too much but that's what I took away from it.



ya but she is a trained musician, if your job is making music and you can play instruments then beatmatching and phrasing shouldnt be difficult to pick up especially in the age of dvs
DJTorchmusic 2:44 AM - 19 December, 2012
Both of you are correct
DJTorchmusic 2:45 AM - 19 December, 2012
It's harder to compose than to DJ.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:51 AM - 19 December, 2012
ive always been of the mind that if you can master the piano you can do anything musically
DJ JT Stevens 2:52 AM - 19 December, 2012
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ya but she is a trained musician, if your job is making music and you can play instruments then beatmatching and phrasing shouldnt be difficult to pick up especially in the age of dvs

Good point Bezzle; I can attest to that myself. I started playing guitar when I was in my early teens so when I started DJ'ing beatmatching, phrasing, and the overall concept of rhythm were easier to come by.

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True, but I think it took me less time to write my favorite/best song that I ever wrote than it will take me to perfect chirps and flares. Haha.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:54 AM - 19 December, 2012
man scratchings a whole different beats...my mind just dosent wrap itself around it, like i know what im SUPPOSED to do but that never transfers into the reality of my movments.....i have a preconcieved notion of doin everything real fast which is counter intuitive to the learning process
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:55 AM - 19 December, 2012
and since i recently started taking composition seriously i never really realised how much i DIDNT know lol


Funney thing is when i wasnt serious about music id be on fruity loops all day crankin out hits, now that im serious i cant lay down a simple house drum pattern lol
DJTorchmusic 2:57 AM - 19 December, 2012
I checked out a Stanton T.92. It was heavy, but the platter seemed light. Is the str8-150 built differently?
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:59 AM - 19 December, 2012
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i always mix the names of those stanton tables up but one of ems supposed to be the real deal.....ive always wanted a numark TTX for shits and giggles (i have 5 technics already, kinda want to play with somethin new)
DJTorchmusic 3:00 AM - 19 December, 2012
This will sound crazy but learning music structure can really mess up your creativity
DJTorchmusic 3:02 AM - 19 December, 2012
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i always mix the names of those stanton tables up but one of ems supposed to be the real deal.....ive always wanted a numark TTX for shits and giggles (i have 5 technics already, kinda want to play with somethin new)


I've been away from turntables for a long time. I need to get at least one tomorrow so I don't look stupid on Friday when I play on their club gear
DJTorchmusic 3:03 AM - 19 December, 2012
I believe the str8-150 is their flagship deck.
the Snowman 3:04 AM - 19 December, 2012
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DJ Premier was rocking a NS7!!!! No turntables in site!

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Did I miss something? I didn't see Primo in that clip...

Not much skills, but A. Keys had a good song selection...classic mid-90's NYC set...brought back memories.


The best skill one can have is song selection.

Agreed, song selection and the ability to read the crowd are the keys to effective DJ'ing (regardless of TT, Controller, or CDJ's), but you gotta be able to bring the songs in on beat or something...hell, you can just cue it up and then push the button at the right point. This was ONLY about dropping hot joints, no rhyme, reason, or flow.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:05 AM - 19 December, 2012
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ive acutually always wondered that, it seems like the more you formally know, the more you fall into a pattern. This is kinda left field but i was watching interviews with some of the biggest dubstep producers out at the moment and (no suprise) none of them know SHIT about music theory lol, none of them even owns a keyboard and their makin $$$$$ off their hits
DJ JT Stevens 3:06 AM - 19 December, 2012
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Not crazy at all. If your mind and ear are trained in the standard verse/chorus pattern then it can be tough to chop up sections prematurely and rearrange bits and pieces to make something new.

I listen to what guys like DJ Shadow do with layering parts from multiple songs to make an original track, or Daft Punk with their chopping up and layering of short segments of sometimes just a few notes, and it makes me want to be able to think in that way.

As for the Stanton question, I can't really say much since I've never used them but I know some guys around here love the STR8-150's. Pretty sure it's the flagship too like you mentioned.
DJTorchmusic 3:07 AM - 19 December, 2012
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ive acutually always wondered that, it seems like the more you formally know, the more you fall into a pattern. This is kinda left field but i was watching interviews with some of the biggest dubstep producers out at the moment and (no suprise) none of them know SHIT about music theory lol, none of them even owns a keyboard and their makin $$$$$ off their hits


They are making money off of ingenuity with some talent.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:08 AM - 19 December, 2012
i cant speak on the stanton BUT the numark ttx looks dope, it has a bad rep since the first gen had overheating issues but ive heard that it was fixed....torques higher than 1200, digital pitch readout and you can move the pitch slider around to your liking (kinda) its kinda cheap to so its worth a look
DJTorchmusic 3:12 AM - 19 December, 2012
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Not crazy at all. If your mind and ear are trained in the standard verse/chorus pattern then it can be tough to chop up sections prematurely and rearrange bits and pieces to make something new.

I listen to what guys like DJ Shadow do with layering parts from multiple songs to make an original track, or Daft Punk with their chopping up and layering of short segments of sometimes just a few notes, and it makes me want to be able to think in that way.

As for the Stanton question, I can't really say much since I've never used them but I know some guys around here love the STR8-150's. Pretty sure it's the flagship too like you mentioned.


I love my denon decks. But it's all vinyl and CDJs out here. CDJs are easy but you can never be too adept on vinyl.
DJTorchmusic 3:13 AM - 19 December, 2012
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Hmmm TTX huh?
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:14 AM - 19 December, 2012
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Not crazy at all. If your mind and ear are trained in the standard verse/chorus pattern then it can be tough to chop up sections prematurely and rearrange bits and pieces to make something new.

I listen to what guys like DJ Shadow do with layering parts from multiple songs to make an original track, or Daft Punk with their chopping up and layering of short segments of sometimes just a few notes, and it makes me want to be able to think in that way.

As for the Stanton question, I can't really say much since I've never used them but I know some guys around here love the STR8-150's. Pretty sure it's the flagship too like you mentioned.


I love my denon decks. But it's all vinyl and CDJs out here. CDJs are easy but you can never be too adept on vinyl.


Im one of 2 djs in my entire area who use TTs everywhere else is CDJs and controllers....i only have about 4 tracks worth of use time on cdjs...figured it out but def dont like em
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:14 AM - 19 December, 2012
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Hmmm TTX huh?

www.pssl.com
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:17 AM - 19 December, 2012
and like i said alot of people say beware, apparentyl the 2st gen had heating issues but the newer models addressed that issue so i hear things are better but i dont have one so cant say for sure. People bash numark but ive been using a numark mixer for 6 years and its treated me right, guess its how you treat it
DJTorchmusic 3:31 AM - 19 December, 2012
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How about TT1 decks.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:36 AM - 19 December, 2012
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i only really know about the ttxs, mabye someone else can chime in
dj_soo 9:26 AM - 19 December, 2012
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no it doesn't
DJRemixEnt 7:52 PM - 19 December, 2012
Been rockin the ttx's since they first came out in 2002... my first pair died on me because i took the platter off while the power was on... so i bought a new pair and havnt had a problem since. they were manufactured in 2004 and they are the 2nd gen ttx1's.

i swear by them... i dj'd on my buddy's 1200's last year, and i could never go back to 1200's again.

i heard the str8 150s are a beast... my only gripe with those is the raised button on both sides of the deck, no place to put dicers.
FabulousFrequencies 7:59 PM - 19 December, 2012
Nobody feelin the Vestax line of TT's?
the Snowman 4:11 AM - 20 December, 2012
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Been rockin the ttx's since they first came out in 2002... my first pair died on me because i took the platter off while the power was on... so i bought a new pair and havnt had a problem since. they were manufactured in 2004 and they are the 2nd gen ttx1's.

i swear by them... i dj'd on my buddy's 1200's last year, and i could never go back to 1200's again.

i heard the str8 150s are a beast... my only gripe with those is the raised button on both sides of the deck, no place to put dicers.

I also have a pair of the TTX1's, 1st Gen, and never had a problem. I got them when they first came out, like a week after they were released. They became my mobile decks. The only reason I did not get rid of my 1200's at the time, was the clubs I worked in at the time only had 1200's, so I left the 1200's in my home setup, to practice on, just so I wouldn't lose my touch with the 1200's. But the TTX1's have some great features and they are TANKS!!! I have never had a problem with them, and they are perfect for the road. I have gone back to my 1200's for mobile gigs, only because I got a nice pair of powder coated white ones, and they look sweet and always impress brides when I do weddings. But my TTX1's were my primary mobile decks for the 10 years I have had them and they are still go strong. Plus they have a line out, so that makes it easier to plug into my firewire interface for sampling into my computer.
al83 12:53 PM - 20 December, 2012
Vinyl always has been and always will be the coolest format, hands down. Real vinyl too, not DVS.
spicaly 1:29 PM - 20 December, 2012
the dj that can blend/scratch/and motivate the crowd on the mic... i've seen people use each medium and still suck
DJ Remy USA 3:05 PM - 20 December, 2012
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Has he made anything new lately? He was big in the 90s.


yea that bday track he has out is gonna be big
DJ Remy USA 3:07 PM - 20 December, 2012
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man scratchings a whole different beats...my mind just dosent wrap itself around it, like i know what im SUPPOSED to do but that never transfers into the reality of my movments.....i have a preconcieved notion of doin everything real fast which is counter intuitive to the learning process


LMAO
echa1945mf 3:37 PM - 20 December, 2012
TTX baby !! igot 3 of em 1 first gen and 2 2nd gen


love how i can set up battle style but have the pitch vertical


but its just sitting at home, i travel with sl2 only
Evon 6:40 PM - 21 December, 2012
House djs on turntables no doubt.
DJ Sparky Killabrew 1:36 PM - 22 December, 2012
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True, look at Rza.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 4:01 PM - 22 December, 2012
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DJ Premier was rocking a NS7!!!! No turntables in site!

Watchwww.youtube.com

Did I miss something? I didn't see Primo in that clip...

Not much skills, but A. Keys had a good song selection...classic mid-90's NYC set...brought back memories.


The best skill one can have is song selection.

Agreed, song selection and the ability to read the crowd are the keys to effective DJ'ing (regardless of TT, Controller, or CDJ's), but you gotta be able to bring the songs in on beat or something...hell, you can just cue it up and then push the button at the right point. This was ONLY about dropping hot joints, no rhyme, reason, or flow.

^^^This

In that vid clip they did a REALLY good job of editing, if you look and listen - they never really show a transition. Plus it seems that they overdub and pitch match the original song to make it sound cleaner. At the 1:52 point with TROY - sounds scratchy and mic noise with swizz - at 2:00ish it is amazingly cleaner.

Great production on the the clip more so than Ms Keys skills (I did like the song selection tho)
DJTorchmusic 8:29 PM - 22 December, 2012
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LOL! Dude, you trippin. Some of use would have to use a van just to bring records in, to make that happen. DVS Vinyl is a great compromise and no worry about feedback from the low end.
DJTorchmusic 8:40 PM - 22 December, 2012
Last night I just did another gig at a Vegas Club... They Ran Serato and two turntables. I like my SC3900 decks but having to haul them down instead of packing some control vinyl and needles would have been A LOT easier. I've been off of TTs for a while so I'll have to get used to them before I let my decks go.

Last night, I also had to rate/judge 10+ DJs. Ironically the winner was on a Traktor S4! They rocked it Old School DJ DUO style! One hype Dj and one in the mix. They were the only ones who got the crowd rocking! They put on a show while other DJs just...mixed. These were some of Vegas best Deejays and they let some guys on a "Toy" take em out LOL! My hats off to them.
DJ SPAIR 11:08 PM - 22 December, 2012
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Last night I just did another gig at a Vegas Club... They Ran Serato and two turntables. I like my SC3900 decks but having to haul them down instead of packing some control vinyl and needles would have been A LOT easier. I've been off of TTs for a while so I'll have to get used to them before I let my decks go.

Last night, I also had to rate/judge 10+ DJs. Ironically the winner was on a Traktor S4! They rocked it Old School DJ DUO style! One hype Dj and one in the mix. They were the only ones who got the crowd rocking! They put on a show while other DJs just...mixed. These were some of Vegas best Deejays and they let some guys on a "Toy" take em out LOL! My hats off to them.


You mean you auditioned for some fake agency that then put you charge because they couldn't pull of their scam.LOL That was the biggest shit show ever last night! The guy throwing it "Mike" which is not even his real name duped You and every other person who came to audition. Sincerely,I feel bad because I know people want to break into the scene out here and you have scumbags like him who take advantage of it. His idea was to charge the performers guest's at the door. The manager at V Bar was not having it,so they took off running. There is no Socialite Entertainment and there will be no recruitment whatsoever.

Honestly I would have expected you to at least put these people(Socialite) on blast instead of sugarcoat the whole scenario to make You and Your beliefs look good.
DJTorchmusic 11:42 PM - 22 December, 2012
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Last night I just did another gig at a Vegas Club... They Ran Serato and two turntables. I like my SC3900 decks but having to haul them down instead of packing some control vinyl and needles would have been A LOT easier. I've been off of TTs for a while so I'll have to get used to them before I let my decks go.

Last night, I also had to rate/judge 10+ DJs. Ironically the winner was on a Traktor S4! They rocked it Old School DJ DUO style! One hype Dj and one in the mix. They were the only ones who got the crowd rocking! They put on a show while other DJs just...mixed. These were some of Vegas best Deejays and they let some guys on a "Toy" take em out LOL! My hats off to them.


You mean you auditioned for some fake agency that then put you charge because they couldn't pull of their scam.LOL That was the biggest shit show ever last night! The guy throwing it "Mike" which is not even his real name duped You and every other person who came to audition. Sincerely,I feel bad because I know people want to break into the scene out here and you have scumbags like him who take advantage of it. His idea was to charge the performers guest's at the door. The manager at V Bar was not having it,so they took off running. There is no Socialite Entertainment and there will be no recruitment whatsoever.

Honestly I would have expected you to at least put these people(Socialite) on blast instead of sugarcoat the whole scenario to make You and Your beliefs look good.


Spair,

If you want to start your own thread on socialite, that's your poragative and that's something you can do on your own. I'd rather speak on the positive aspect of the evening which was the DJs themselves and not the drama surrounding it. If you want to voice your frustrations about it feel free to hit me up private or start another thread...cool?
DJ SPAIR 12:20 AM - 23 December, 2012
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Last night I just did another gig at a Vegas Club... They Ran Serato and two turntables. I like my SC3900 decks but having to haul them down instead of packing some control vinyl and needles would have been A LOT easier. I've been off of TTs for a while so I'll have to get used to them before I let my decks go.

Last night, I also had to rate/judge 10+ DJs. Ironically the winner was on a Traktor S4! They rocked it Old School DJ DUO style! One hype Dj and one in the mix. They were the only ones who got the crowd rocking! They put on a show while other DJs just...mixed. These were some of Vegas best Deejays and they let some guys on a "Toy" take em out LOL! My hats off to them.


You mean you auditioned for some fake agency that then put you charge because they couldn't pull of their scam.LOL That was the biggest shit show ever last night! The guy throwing it "Mike" which is not even his real name duped You and every other person who came to audition. Sincerely,I feel bad because I know people want to break into the scene out here and you have scumbags like him who take advantage of it. His idea was to charge the performers guest's at the door. The manager at V Bar was not having it,so they took off running. There is no Socialite Entertainment and there will be no recruitment whatsoever.

Honestly I would have expected you to at least put these people(Socialite) on blast instead of sugarcoat the whole scenario to make You and Your beliefs look good.


Spair,

If you want to start your own thread on socialite, that's your poragative and that's something you can do on your own. I'd rather speak on the positive aspect of the evening which was the DJs themselves and not the drama surrounding it. If you want to voice your frustrations about it feel free to hit me up private or start another thread...cool?


Nope not gonna do that. Keep it real dude. If you were the ONLY judge "Lol" for this so called audition. Then its bias that the controller guys won.. Oh..and what did they win?? Nothing! The DJs were lead on by some con artist. Don't see much positive in that.
DJTorchmusic 12:26 AM - 23 December, 2012
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Last night I just did another gig at a Vegas Club... They Ran Serato and two turntables. I like my SC3900 decks but having to haul them down instead of packing some control vinyl and needles would have been A LOT easier. I've been off of TTs for a while so I'll have to get used to them before I let my decks go.

Last night, I also had to rate/judge 10+ DJs. Ironically the winner was on a Traktor S4! They rocked it Old School DJ DUO style! One hype Dj and one in the mix. They were the only ones who got the crowd rocking! They put on a show while other DJs just...mixed. These were some of Vegas best Deejays and they let some guys on a "Toy" take em out LOL! My hats off to them.


LMAO@ "Keep it real". Is that you in the avatar? NOPE! Hold on, I'm making another thread right now. This thread is not gonna be fulla bull**it.

You mean you auditioned for some fake agency that then put you charge because they couldn't pull of their scam.LOL That was the biggest shit show ever last night! The guy throwing it "Mike" which is not even his real name duped You and every other person who came to audition. Sincerely,I feel bad because I know people want to break into the scene out here and you have scumbags like him who take advantage of it. His idea was to charge the performers guest's at the door. The manager at V Bar was not having it,so they took off running. There is no Socialite Entertainment and there will be no recruitment whatsoever.

Honestly I would have expected you to at least put these people(Socialite) on blast instead of sugarcoat the whole scenario to make You and Your beliefs look good.


Spair,

If you want to start your own thread on socialite, that's your poragative and that's something you can do on your own. I'd rather speak on the positive aspect of the evening which was the DJs themselves and not the drama surrounding it. If you want to voice your frustrations about it feel free to hit me up private or start another thread...cool?


Nope not gonna do that. Keep it real dude. If you were the ONLY judge "Lol" for this so called audition. Then its bias that the controller guys won.. Oh..and what did they win?? Nothing! The DJs were lead on by some con artist. Don't see much positive in that.
DJTorchmusic 1:10 AM - 23 December, 2012
serato.com

Here you go Spair. A whole thread dedicated to last night. BTW way. Have you seen Dave Chappelle's skit called "when keeping it real goes wrong"?
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:43 AM - 23 December, 2012
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Here you go Spair. A whole thread dedicated to last night. BTW way. Have you seen Dave Chappelle's skit called "when starting a thread goes wrong"?



Fixed
DJTorchmusic 1:45 AM - 23 December, 2012
What u mean fixed? Lol
DJTorchmusic 9:40 AM - 23 December, 2012
Back to the topic of that thread. I know I need t make a move, one way or the other The club had TTs and a Rane 57. I ended up bringing my whole DJ rig (SC3900/X1600) and hauling through one of these big Casinos had me wishing I just had control vinyl and serato or a traktor based controller.

I will say this. Traktor has a lot of cool features and great effects. But, the way it handles large itunes libraries SUCKS! It's a lot slower than Serato and way more cumbersome. Props to Serato for it's file management...much better than Traktor.

Back to TT's What do you guys think about the Audio Technica AT-LP1240-USB ?

The TTX seems to be the best feature/price but it looks so "plastic".
The Str8-150 looks way cooler to me but costs 100.00 more.
The AT-LP1240-USB looks better than the TTX too but I've never heard this mentioned much.

I was also thinking about getting some Str8-80s used since they will be used, most of the time as "practice decks and wanted to know if they were "acceptable".
DJRemixEnt 11:10 AM - 23 December, 2012
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The TTX seems to be the best feature/price but it looks so "plastic".


dont judge a book by its cover... ttx's are tanks.

no ground wires to fuck with, detachable rca's = no soldering, interchangable s or straight tone arms... and you cant beat the price.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 10:27 PM - 23 December, 2012
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I will say this. Traktor has a lot of cool features and great effects. But, the way it handles large itunes libraries SUCKS! It's a lot slower than Serato and way more cumbersome. Props to Serato for it's file management...much better than Traktor.


Truth!
DJTorchmusic 6:43 AM - 24 December, 2012
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The TTX seems to be the best feature/price but it looks so "plastic".


dont judge a book by its cover... ttx's are tanks.

no ground wires to fuck with, detachable rca's = no soldering, interchangable s or straight tone arms... and you cant beat the price.


Good Point. I looked into them some more and I do like the digital pitch control. Also you are right again. They are a 100.00 less than the Str8-150. If I can find a used set, I may go for them.

What do you guys think about the TT200s for practice decks? Are they comparable or frustrating LOL? BTW, I will be using a DVS with these things.
phatbob 11:16 AM - 24 December, 2012
I played around with the TT200s once, they're a pretty capable budget table, but they are just a budget table.

The TT500s are basically the TTXs without all the bells and whistles, same platter and motor, I'd suggest those as a minimum if you're going Numark.

Considering the low used prices all tables except Technics command nowadays, there's really no reason to get budget decks.
DJRemixEnt 6:07 PM - 24 December, 2012
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yeah, one of my fave features on the ttx's... makes transitioning bpms a breeze.

just word of advice before you buy... make sure you run used ttx's through a thorough test process before you buy them... i see plenty of craigslist ads where guys are selling used ttx's.

ill ask them if there is anything wrong and they tell me that some times the decks are slow to start up... or they'll wobble left and right every once in a while...Watchwww.youtube.com

that is a sure sign of them starting to fail... also... DO NOT TAKE THE PLATTERS OFF WHILE THEY ARE POWERED UP!!!

i killed my first pair by doing this, and the instructions specifically said not to.
DJRemixEnt 6:11 PM - 24 December, 2012
heres a pretty good review done by Scratchworx www.djworx.com
DJTorchmusic 7:31 PM - 24 December, 2012
That was an Extensive review. I have seen a few TTXs on CL. The only issue I have is there seems to be a lot that can go wrong with Turntables. It makes me want to buy a new pair because how risky a used purchase can be! There's one guy I asked how old the TTs were and he replied he doesn't know because he got them from a "friend". In my mind I'm thinking "well ask your friend foo". I mean...how do you tell if their "bum decks"?
DJ Remy USA 7:46 PM - 24 December, 2012
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. also... DO NOT TAKE THE PLATTERS OFF WHILE THEY ARE POWERED UP!!!

i killed my first pair by doing this, and the instructions specifically said not to.


yep thats a newb mistake so is buying a Numark turntables bro
DJRemixEnt 7:55 PM - 24 December, 2012
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lol... yall kill me with that shit...

ttx's will run circles around 1200s anyday...

i started of on 1200's and will never go back... yeah yeah yeah, and i know about the "industry standard" bullshit argument that you 1200 fanboys use...lol

DJRemmyUSA, what is newb about buying TTX's?
DJ Remy USA 1:32 AM - 25 December, 2012
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lol... yall kill me with that shit...

ttx's will run circles around 1200s anyday...

i started of on 1200's and will never go back... yeah yeah yeah, and i know about the "industry standard" bullshit argument that you 1200 fanboys use...lol

DJRemmyUSA, what is newb about buying TTX's?


Cause Numark has always been problems this is based on experience with what gear works not based on skill.

Basically what your saying has nothing to do with how good you perform just that gear that works.

You got offended tho
DJTorchmusic 1:42 AM - 25 December, 2012
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lol... yall kill me with that shit...

ttx's will run circles around 1200s anyday...

i started of on 1200's and will never go back... yeah yeah yeah, and i know about the "industry standard" bullshit argument that you 1200 fanboys use...lol

DJRemmyUSA, what is newb about buying TTX's?


Another very good point! There is a myth out there that 1200's cannot be problematic. Just this weekend at a very swank club, their 1200s were "acting up". I have has a few in years past mess up too. Don't get it twisted, 1200s are good decks but there's no way I see them as a "no brainier" decision.
DJRemixEnt 2:26 AM - 25 December, 2012
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lol... yall kill me with that shit...

ttx's will run circles around 1200s anyday...

i started of on 1200's and will never go back... yeah yeah yeah, and i know about the "industry standard" bullshit argument that you 1200 fanboys use...lol

DJRemmyUSA, what is newb about buying TTX's?


Cause Numark has always been problems this is based on experience with what gear works not based on skill.

Basically what your saying has nothing to do with how good you perform just that gear that works.

You got offended tho


not offended at all... numark has made problematic equipment... but they sealed the deal with the ttx's. and like alot of companies that put out a new product... there were kinks, but the kinks were recognized and straightened out.

but for the money and the amount of features... the 1200 in no way beats the ttx. the only things i see ppl saying when it comes to comparing the ttx and the 1200 is:

1. longevity (which there are ppl who still have thier 1st gen ttx's going 10 yrs strong)

2. industry standard (which aint shit, cuz djm's n cdj's are industry standards but rane makes way better mixers than djm series, and denons cd players kick cdjs ass any day) (hell, even the Numark NDX platters feel hella better than the cdj platters when it comes to scratching)

3. personal preference ( every 1200 dj that has used my decks have always told me how good the ttx's were as far as pitch range and motor torque)
DJRemixEnt 3:01 AM - 25 December, 2012
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Basically what your saying has nothing to do with how good you perform just that gear that works.


that's exactly what im saying.... i dont think anyone here was talking about the actual performance of the DJ.

hell im pretty sure there are DJ's out here who can kick ass on a Fisher Price See N Say imagethumbnails.milo.com

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and the TTX's dont work how?
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:36 AM - 25 December, 2012
The thing is since production on techs has discontinue you have two options with em, buy em from somewhere that has backstock for like $1500 or buy em used with a questionable history. I know techs are tanks so odds are a used tech will be fine but it would be kinda nice to get one brand new, possibly under warranty.....and for the price you can buy a few backups just in case.

Performance wise the numbers dont lie that the feature set of the TTXs are better than techs, but im just speaking about paper because ive never owned a TTX personally
DJ Remy USA 11:57 PM - 25 December, 2012
FYI I use Stanton 150 S arms so I'm no 1200 fanboy by any stretch. I don't care for the TTX at all the pitch feels cheap the table itself feels cheaply made as well not mention the multitude of issues with Numark as a brand itself.
DJ Remy USA 12:02 AM - 26 December, 2012
Since when are we speaking about the features of the TTX?

Numarks track record over the years with products have been less than stellar in my opinion

When it comes to features the Stanton's 150 kill both techs and the TTX

I see you compared users with TTX's going 10 years strong. I know people with techs twice as old still going strong.

I'm just bring myself to like anything Numark
d:raf 12:08 AM - 26 December, 2012
Oh geez... not this again. serato.com/forum/discussion/96272

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Try both, and see what suits your needs. Whichever you choose, is the best - FOR YOU.

I imagine that if STR8s and TTXs last 30 years, the Technics guys will say that 1200s last 60 years. Newsflash - they're going to have to last until the end of time now.
DJRemixEnt 1:01 AM - 26 December, 2012
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ok, and yet this still has nothing to do with the fact that they made a stellar turntable, feature and performance wise.


the point im trying to make is that just because a company is known for making shitty products, when they finally get something right, it doesnt automatically make that "good" product "bad".

as far as helping DJTorchMusic with honest feedback on finding a solid turntable. i am just giving facts and not trying to throw in my opinion.

because at the end of the day, its gonna be up to him what "feels" right. but to go with a turntable that gives you triple the features and at half the price, with a good track record, only makes sense.
DJRemixEnt 1:10 AM - 26 December, 2012
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so it doesnt make sense to suggest a super expensive ass turntable just for that purpose.
DJ DisGrace 2:05 AM - 26 December, 2012
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The only company with a worse track record than Numark is Stanton. All they have to stand by are the 500AL cartridge... Beast or not, the STR-150s are just a rebranded OEM turntable, not actually a Stanton engineered design.

You can't go bashing the Numark brand when Stanton is your go-to brand.
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:31 AM - 26 December, 2012
all i can speak for is what I own and my numark cheap ass mixer is still going strong and its been run through the ringer (not to bash it but my numark mixer has lasted twice as long as my friends 57, not sayin thats the norm....just sayin)
slimmjimm 1:07 PM - 26 December, 2012
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My DXM06 lasted way longer than I expected.

This was also a problem because I gigged with it way longer than I should have.
L'Phonik 11:24 AM - 30 December, 2012
vinyl turntables.. no contest.
HandsomeRobDJ 12:40 AM - 31 December, 2012
As a DJ I have used and appreciate all three. As a person I am all to understanding of the cliche "perspective is reality". And as far as I have been made aware from the perspectives of my customers, who are NOT DJ's, controllers look Pretty much the same as DJ Hero, and CDJ's look like what they are- glorified CD players. Turntables on the other hand always have been to a DJ what a football is to an NFL player- more or less a necessary piece of equipment in order for the game to be played. Not once ever did I receive a compliment about playingbout on a CDJ or a controller. But my 1200's get MAD RESPECT!
Funkytownstopsix 2:26 PM - 31 December, 2012
I would like to supply some incite, no matter what you use Turntable, CDJ's or Controller you will not look cool if you suck as a dj. Just because you have Turntables don't make you a good DJ and a Bad DJ never looks cool. It's like you see the fine ass chick and you know that pussy is good when you get the pussy you don't even think about how good she looked you will though think damn that pussy was bad for her looking so good I expected more... AND THAT'S ALL YOU WILL THINK THAT PUSSY WAS BAD....No matter how cool your setup you would be consider cool shit if you can't DJ....
HandsomeRobDJ 3:52 PM - 31 December, 2012
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+10
popnwave 4:33 PM - 31 December, 2012
Turntables always look cooler to me... next up moving platters ala Denon and last CDJs and controllers. I love my controllers though, less setup/breakdown time. And for me it's about getting in and out especially if the booth is somewhere people can't see.
Chrisjin 1:38 AM - 4 January, 2013
duelin ipod nanos
DJTorchmusic 7:36 AM - 4 January, 2013
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Turntables always look cooler to me... next up moving platters ala Denon and last CDJs and controllers. I love my controllers though, less setup/breakdown time. And for me it's about getting in and out especially if the booth is somewhere people can't see.


I can't argue that! I rock Denon Decks (SC3900).
DJTorchmusic 12:25 AM - 4 March, 2013
I just sold my SC3900s. Exceptional decks, but NO ONE uses them here in Vegas and hauling them around to club gigs would be cumbersome. So, I decided to but turntables since most of the clubs I've been to have them. I'm leaning towards the TTX's but I think the AT-LP-1240s look hella more refined. Does one have an advantage over the other? They seem to be around the same price range. I like the stanton too, but stanton wants 150+ more for their TTs and I don't think they're worth it.
Laz219 12:30 AM - 4 March, 2013
Pretty sure they are based on the superOEMs anyway, so they are basically same turntable, different look.
DJTorchmusic 1:12 AM - 4 March, 2013
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Pretty sure they are based on the superOEMs anyway, so they are basically same turntable, different look.


That's what I was thinking too, since their specs look really similar.
DJ GaFFle 1:36 AM - 4 March, 2013
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That's what I was thinking too, since their specs look really similar.

All of them are Made in China. That AT1240USB does 'look' nice though. I'd rather have a 1200.
DJTorchmusic 1:44 AM - 4 March, 2013
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Pretty sure they are based on the superOEMs anyway, so they are basically same turntable, different look.


That's what I was thinking too, since their specs look really similar.

All of them are Made in China. That AT1240USB does 'look' nice though. I'd rather have a 1200.


I've had my share of 1200's in the past and I was never entirely impressed with em. Some were good some were bad. 10 years ago you could get a pair for 300.00. Now fools want 900.00 for the exact same TT's. That bothers me. I guess that's why I don't consider buying them anymore. "made in China" just means they are new. Everything is made in China, even so called "American"stuff like Iphones and what not. And then people act dumb and wonder why the economy is bad...We outsorce every f**kin thing. Let me shuddup...
DJ DisGrace 2:33 AM - 4 March, 2013
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Everything is made in China

Except:
Rane
Technics
JBL
the_black_one 4:13 AM - 4 March, 2013
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Everything is made in China

Except:
Rane
Technics
JBL

and EV
DJTorchmusic 5:52 AM - 4 March, 2013
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Everything is made in China

Except:
Rane
Technics
JBL

and EV


Right on! I bought JBL studio monitors.
DJ GaFFle 7:42 AM - 4 March, 2013
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Everything is made in China

Except:
Rane
Technics
JBL

and EV

Some of EV's newer affordable mics, LiveX and ZXa1 is made there. Their high end stuff is still USA.
phatbob 12:41 PM - 4 March, 2013
Super OEMs are great, but for me the consideration always has to be, that if you are wanting to play at clubs and bars, 99% of the time, if they have turns at all, they'll be Techs.

All those improved specs don't mean jack if you get to the club and can't handle the lower torque, or limited pitch range on 1200s.
DJ Remy USA 8:44 PM - 4 March, 2013
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Super OEMs are great, but for me the consideration always has to be, that if you are wanting to play at clubs and bars, 99% of the time, if they have turns at all, they'll be Techs.

All those improved specs don't mean jack if you get to the club and can't handle the lower torque, or limited pitch range on 1200s.


and thats why my stanton 150s are collecting dust inside my flight cases. I love those tables to death I could get off on a killer scratch session but I would suffer when I went back to techs trying to adjust to the different torque. In short stay frosty on techs
DJTorchmusic 1:44 AM - 5 March, 2013
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Super OEMs are great, but for me the consideration always has to be, that if you are wanting to play at clubs and bars, 99% of the time, if they have turns at all, they'll be Techs.

All those improved specs don't mean jack if you get to the club and can't handle the lower torque, or limited pitch range on 1200s.


and thats why my stanton 150s are collecting dust inside my flight cases. I love those tables to death I could get off on a killer scratch session but I would suffer when I went back to techs trying to adjust to the different torque. In short stay frosty on techs


I see what you're saying. You get done with a tasty session on your own decks and when you get to the club with the 1200s, they feel and respond completely different...can't argue that.
DJTorchmusic 1:44 AM - 5 March, 2013
TTX have adjustable torq. Maybe use them at their lowest setting?
the Snowman 3:59 AM - 5 March, 2013
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and thats why my stanton 150s are collecting dust inside my flight cases. I love those tables to death I could get off on a killer scratch session but I would suffer when I went back to techs trying to adjust to the different torque. In short stay frosty on techs

Yeah, I own a pair of TTX1's, but I use them as my mobile TT's and use the 1200's at home most of the time for practice, just to keep my "touch" on the technics...All the clubs I ever worked ALWAYS had technics, so I was afraid of getting to comfortable with the TTX1's...but they are tanks for the road.
DJTorchmusic 4:16 AM - 5 March, 2013
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and thats why my stanton 150s are collecting dust inside my flight cases. I love those tables to death I could get off on a killer scratch session but I would suffer when I went back to techs trying to adjust to the different torque. In short stay frosty on techs

Yeah, I own a pair of TTX1's, but I use them as my mobile TT's and use the 1200's at home most of the time for practice, just to keep my "touch" on the technics...All the clubs I ever worked ALWAYS had technics, so I was afraid of getting to comfortable with the TTX1's...but they are tanks for the road.


Do you believe that a super OEM TT is still closer to a Technics than the SC3900? I could only think that it would since you still have to deal with a tone arm on one and not the other. I believe I'm still going to get the Super OEM and just do what I can do with Technics in the club. I don't do a whole lotta scratching anyways. I focus more on the mixing aspect.
Laz219 4:52 AM - 5 March, 2013
I find when I switch from my stantons back to techs it takes only a couple of mixes to adjust to the lower torque.
DJTorchmusic 7:34 AM - 5 March, 2013
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I find when I switch from my stantons back to techs it takes only a couple of mixes to adjust to the lower torque.


Kool...If I really need to bring my own TTs to the club, I will. But, I would like the option to just bring control vinyl and needles. The fewer times I would have to bring my own gear would more than make up for the lighter weight of the SC3900s, but forced to bring them to EVERY gig. If they have CDJs only, it's a mute point because the SC3900s are nothing like CDJs anyways.
DJ Remy USA 9:47 PM - 5 March, 2013
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I find when I switch from my stantons back to techs it takes only a couple of mixes to adjust to the lower torque.


yea but I cant kill it on the cut for a few days it seems like. I can mix just fine after a few minutes but my cuts just dont come off as clean until maybe a week or two. Maybe its just me tho
DJTorchmusic 10:49 PM - 5 March, 2013
Here's a question:

4 year old Numark TTX vs New Audio Technica LP-1240 (300.00 more) ?
pdidy 11:01 PM - 5 March, 2013
Audio Technica.......really. OK thats were I draw the dam limit !

STOPS TRACKING !
Dj-M.Bezzle 11:12 PM - 5 March, 2013
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Audio Technica.......really. OK thats were I draw the dam limit !

STOPS TRACKING !

Thats fucking hilarious, i literally clicked the link and before it loaded i thought why am i tracking this i go to untrack it as i do i read your comment
Lol
DJTorchmusic 3:30 AM - 6 March, 2013
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Audio Technica.......really. OK thats were I draw the dam limit !

STOPS TRACKING !


I don't get it. I thought they were pretty much the same decks as the TTX. Are you saying their good or bad. I can't find any bad reviews.
DJTorchmusic 6:33 PM - 7 March, 2013
Ok, Maybe this is more of a relevant question.

TTX (straight arm) vs ST-150 (s arm) when it comes to scratching? Also is there a big difference (worth 150.00 more) to getting the STR8 150 over the ST-150?
DJRemixEnt 9:36 PM - 7 March, 2013
straight arms are better for scratching because they automatically offset the cartridge angle...but the same angle can be acheived using an s-arm tt by doing this:

Watchwww.youtube.com skip to 5:40
DJTorchmusic 10:02 PM - 7 March, 2013
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straight arms are better for scratching because they automatically offset the cartridge angle...but the same angle can be acheived using an s-arm tt by doing this:

Watchwww.youtube.com skip to 5:40


VERY HELPFUL! Thanks

Does anyone know if the tone arms on the ST-150s are interchangeable like the TTX? Just curious. But, it looks like I'll get some ST-150s at this point.
DJ GaFFle 10:27 PM - 7 March, 2013
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straight arms are better for scratching because they automatically offset the cartridge angle...but the same angle can be acheived using an s-arm tt by doing this:

Watchwww.youtube.com skip to 5:40


VERY HELPFUL! Thanks

Does anyone know if the tone arms on the ST-150s are interchangeable like the TTX? Just curious. But, it looks like I'll get some ST-150s at this point.

Those ST-150's don't look bad. I'd probably choose it vs. the straight arm joints. Something about the straight-arm turntables just looks odd/cheap to me. I'd choose the Stanton brand over the Audio Technica brand. The only reason I would ever consider ST-150's is if I already had 1200's sitting at home and simply wanted some travel/gig TT's.
DJTorchmusic 2:17 AM - 8 March, 2013
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straight arms are better for scratching because they automatically offset the cartridge angle...but the same angle can be acheived using an s-arm tt by doing this:

Watchwww.youtube.com skip to 5:40


VERY HELPFUL! Thanks

Does anyone know if the tone arms on the ST-150s are interchangeable like the TTX? Just curious. But, it looks like I'll get some ST-150s at this point.

Those ST-150's don't look bad. I'd probably choose it vs. the straight arm joints. Something about the straight-arm turntables just looks odd/cheap to me. I'd choose the Stanton brand over the Audio Technica brand. The only reason I would ever consider ST-150's is if I already had 1200's sitting at home and simply wanted some travel/gig TT's.


After you lift a ST-150, you're gonna change your mind about using them for travel gigs. I believe they are the heaviest DJ TTs on the market.
WarpNote 6:08 AM - 8 March, 2013
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Here's a question:

4 year old Numark TTX vs New Audio Technica LP-1240 (300.00 more) ?

I'd still save up some dough and get used techs,
they gonna remain the standard for a long time.
And those others wont fit the dicers....
DJ GaFFle 10:16 AM - 8 March, 2013
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straight arms are better for scratching because they automatically offset the cartridge angle...but the same angle can be acheived using an s-arm tt by doing this:

Watchwww.youtube.com skip to 5:40


VERY HELPFUL! Thanks

Does anyone know if the tone arms on the ST-150s are interchangeable like the TTX? Just curious. But, it looks like I'll get some ST-150s at this point.

Those ST-150's don't look bad. I'd probably choose it vs. the straight arm joints. Something about the straight-arm turntables just looks odd/cheap to me. I'd choose the Stanton brand over the Audio Technica brand. The only reason I would ever consider ST-150's is if I already had 1200's sitting at home and simply wanted some travel/gig TT's.


After you lift a ST-150, you're gonna change your mind about using them for travel gigs. I believe they are the heaviest DJ TTs on the market.

Didn't know that, thanx.
DJ GaFFle 10:18 AM - 8 March, 2013
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Here's a question:

4 year old Numark TTX vs New Audio Technica LP-1240 (300.00 more) ?

I'd still save up some dough and get used techs,
they gonna remain the standard for a long time.
And those others wont fit the dicers....

I'm surprised that one of those super OEM clones haven't integrated their own dicer-type buttons yet.
Sticky K 10:19 AM - 8 March, 2013
Yup. They are very heavy.... I had to get physio from carrying them lol. I love them to bits anyway. I just don't take them out.
DJRemixEnt 10:49 AM - 8 March, 2013
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And those others wont fit the dicers....

not true....


dicers sit right on top of the start stop button on ttx's with the sticky tack putty. perfect fit with no problems or interference or any modifications to the tables at all.
Watchwww.youtube.com

the stanton models take a little modding/craftsmanship to make it work... but once the mods are done....boom...perfect fit.

serato.com

Laz219 10:20 PM - 8 March, 2013
They really are heavy turntables. As far as I know the tonearms aren't 'officially' interchangeable on the stantons. I'm sure it could be done but they just haven't made it as easy as the TTX.

I've had straight and S arm stantons. I never liked the straight arm ones at all.
DJ GaFFle 11:06 PM - 8 March, 2013
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They really are heavy turntables. As far as I know the tonearms aren't 'officially' interchangeable on the stantons. I'm sure it could be done but they just haven't made it as easy as the TTX.

I've had straight and S arm stantons. I never liked the straight arm ones at all.

What did you dislike about the straight armed units?
DJ DisGrace 11:09 PM - 8 March, 2013
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straight arms are better for scratching

those S-tonearms really hold people back...
Watchwww.youtube.com
DJRemixEnt 2:22 AM - 9 March, 2013
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straight arms are better for scratching

those S-tonearms really hold people back...
Watchwww.youtube.com


yeah, your right, his set would be alot cleaner with straight arms
DJ DisGrace 2:32 AM - 9 March, 2013
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straight arms are better for scratching

those S-tonearms really hold people back...
Watchwww.youtube.com


yeah, your right, his set would be alot cleaner with straight arms

Maybe he would have won? =P
DJRemixEnt 2:34 AM - 9 March, 2013
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straight arms are better for scratching

those S-tonearms really hold people back...
Watchwww.youtube.com


yeah, your right, his set would be alot cleaner with straight arms

Maybe he would have won? =P


lol
WarpNote 12:20 PM - 9 March, 2013
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And those others wont fit the dicers....

not true....


dicers sit right on top of the start stop button on ttx's with the sticky tack putty. perfect fit with no problems or interference or any modifications to the tables at all.
Watchwww.youtube.com

the stanton models take a little modding/craftsmanship to make it work... but once the mods are done....boom...perfect fit.

serato.com


Gotta look around for that puddy stuff, think I lost it first week of having my dicers...
Personally, I don't se the puddy solution as very practical in a club setting. The velcro wood solution on the Stanton even less so. Its the main reason I never use dicers on a cdj1000mk3 club setup. Rather bring my hc1000s in those instances.
WarpNote 12:22 PM - 9 March, 2013
Anyone actually done the dicer "velcro-wood-mod" on the Stantons?
Looks like the dicers would get in the way of the platters?
DJ DisGrace 12:23 PM - 9 March, 2013
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Gotta look around for that puddy stuff, think I lost it first week of having my dicers...
Personally, I don't se the puddy solution as very practical in a club setting. The velcro wood solution on the Stanton even less so. Its the main reason I never use dicers on a cdj1000mk3 club setup. Rather bring my hc1000s in those instances.

+1
Looks a little too homemade considering the value of the rest of your gear. Shoulda just bought Techs....
DJRemixEnt 12:38 PM - 9 March, 2013
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Shoulda just bought Techs....


shoulda known that was commin...lol
DJRemixEnt 12:45 PM - 9 March, 2013
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Looks a little too homemade


i think the dude ended up sanding and painting them afterwards...
DJ DisGrace 4:15 PM - 9 March, 2013
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Shoulda just bought Techs....


shoulda known that was commin...lol

haha I tried to wait as long as I could, had to come out!
$5k+ worth of gear and you need some homemade wood adapter to make it work/fit properly? It just doesn't seem right...
DJRemixEnt 10:44 PM - 9 March, 2013
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Shoulda just bought Techs....


shoulda known that was commin...lol

haha I tried to wait as long as I could, had to come out!
$5k+ worth of gear and you need some homemade wood adapter to make it work/fit properly? It just doesn't seem right...


lol... i was gonna buy a pair of stantons last year, the fact that the dicers couldnt fit over the s/s button was the ONLY thing that stopped me from making the purchase.
DJTorchmusic 5:51 AM - 12 March, 2013
I'm so bummed out today. Didn't get chosen to compete for this thing here in Vegas. Very Discouraging, but you just gotta keep on huh?

Oh yeah, where were we? I did order a ST-150, but not sure if I'm gonna keep it. I don't know...I'm just ....bummed.
DJRemixEnt 9:43 AM - 12 March, 2013
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a ST-150,


what happened to the other one?
DJTorchmusic 10:20 AM - 12 March, 2013
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a ST-150,


what happened to the other one?


They only had one available where I got this one. But, I did get a pretty good deal on it. I may end up selling this one and look into other options. I'll see how I feel when i get up later today.
DJ GaFFle 10:55 AM - 12 March, 2013
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...Oh yeah, where were we? I did order a ST-150, but not sure if I'm gonna keep it. I don't know...I'm just ....bummed.

Wait until you see its resale value versus a 1200...that's when you'll be bummed.
DJTorchmusic 6:55 PM - 14 March, 2013
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...Oh yeah, where were we? I did order a ST-150, but not sure if I'm gonna keep it. I don't know...I'm just ....bummed.

Wait until you see its resale value versus a 1200...that's when you'll be bummed.


LOL! I think I can get what I paid for it! If I can do that, I'm good.
phifedom 2:04 AM - 16 September, 2013
If you really want to get respect as a DJ, do as follows:

1.) go chop down a tree and then let it dry out.
2.) After that, carve it out and make it hollow.
3.) After that's done, go strangle a cow, and then skin it.
4.) Take the hollowed tree trunk and stretch the cow skin over it.
5.) Play your favorite songs.

There you have it!
FabulousFrequencies 4:00 AM - 16 September, 2013
^^^^^ You forgot 'paying dues' by carrying the dead cow up and down 600 flights of stairs, in the snow, with no shoes, at 4am. Only then are you allowed to skin it and proceed.
Funkytownstopsix 5:02 PM - 18 September, 2013
fuck cool points just dj.... damnnnn!!!!
DJTorchmusic 9:38 PM - 4 December, 2013
After using ST-150s for a while and remembering my experiences with 1200's. I don't see how anyone can say that 1200s are better. You might like them better yourself for whatver the reason, but it's like comparing a new Camaro SS to an older un-modified ford mustang.
djkrayz 3:21 AM - 9 December, 2013



most of this big name electronic music producers that headline don't do a fucken thing on stage but dance around and act like they're moving a 200lb crossfader or filter. I think its funny when you watch these guys tap every knob on the mixer and not move it.

Props on that guy DJ Deceptions VCI routine, nice cuts, he makes it look to easy on the controller, he has some other dope vids on his youtube page rockin 1200s.

i use 1200s, cdjs, and a controller. i dont give a fuck what anyone else thinks as long as the crowd is jumpin and i am getting paid at the end of the night.
DJTorchmusic 8:36 PM - 9 December, 2013
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most of this big name electronic music producers that headline don't do a fucken thing on stage but dance around and act like they're moving a 200lb crossfader or filter. I think its funny when you watch these guys tap every knob on the mixer and not move it.


That's the new generation, no one really cares but other DJs. At least they move around a little. This is the drawback of technology. It's easier to "fake it". Back in the day, you couldn't. If someone didn't see you switch a record or CD, they knew something was up. Mixing is easy to do these days. Anybody can "look good" DJing. Even more since DJs have started using "pre-mixed" tracks in their "sets". Where the truth comes in is how you move the crowd. I been Pro for 20 years and 50% of what DJs do today would be looked upon as "cheating" back in the day. But, it's not cheating, its' the sign of the times. Even DJs have been fooled. They think it's all about the "Technical" aspect and have no showmanship whatsover. When they do see someone "entertaining the crowd" by dancing or whatever, they diss that DJ, even if they're not "using tape". Honestly, I'd rather listen to a DJ who engages the crowd and mixes with decent skills than some DMX champion who's only into what's he's doing and gets mad at you for not dancing to his "break beats".
Joshua Carl 9:15 PM - 9 December, 2013
Don't cool points expire when you graduate high school?
if you don't use them by the end, they just expire, they don't carry over to real life.
DJTorchmusic 6:54 AM - 11 December, 2013
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Don't cool points expire when you graduate high school?
if you don't use them by the end, they just expire, they don't carry over to real life.


Are you kidding?

Cool points last forever. Do you think people wanna stop being "cool" ? Ever?

DJ Please...

High school kids don't buy Harleys, BMW or 3000 suits. 10,000 watches...

Why do women wear high heels? Make up? thongs?

and you have the nerve to act like cool points don't exist in real life? smh with swagg
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:41 PM - 11 December, 2013
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Don't cool points expire when you graduate high school?
if you don't use them by the end, they just expire, they don't carry over to real life.


Are you kidding?

Cool points last forever. Do you think people wanna stop being "cool" ? Ever?

DJ Please...

High school kids don't buy Harleys, BMW or 3000 suits. 10,000 watches...

Why do women wear high heels? Make up? thongs?

and you have the nerve to act like cool points don't exist in real life? smh with swagg


Spoken like you got a handful of cool points atba 55% interest rate
Niro 5:53 PM - 11 December, 2013
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Honestly, I'd rather listen to a DJ who engages the crowd and mixes with decent skills than some DMX champion who's only into what's he's doing and gets mad at you for not dancing to his "break beats".


What use to make a good DJ was technical skills while engaging the crowd, but lazy DJ's haven't taken the skill part out and have replaced it with dancing around yelling on the mic. If you follow the sheep, you will be part of the herd. Does the crowd care about how you are doing what you are doing, yes they do. Is it at the top of their I care list at the club, probably not, but that doesn't mean you should eliminate a part of the art form because the crowd doesn't as much as other DJ's. Also other DJ's should matter, because they can actually judge you on actual skills and that is worth more a lot more than a regular person.

It doesn't have to be one or the other, it should include both: showmanship and skill. We are in an industry that is required to police ourselves and lately we are more like a corrupt third world government.
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:58 PM - 11 December, 2013
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Does the crowd care about how you are doing what you are doing, yes they do. .

For most cases i strongly disagree
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:59 PM - 11 December, 2013
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other DJ's should matter, because they can actually judge you on actual skills and that is worth more a lot more than a regular person.


Strongly disagree
Niro 6:12 PM - 11 December, 2013
Please explain your thoughts.
XCAKID 6:18 PM - 11 December, 2013
Let's say you have 2 guys solving an equation.

Guy (A) uses excel spreadsheet on his laptop
Guy (B) uses just a pencil, couple of papers and his brain

Given the guy using excel had to build macros and plug in numbers, both guys come up with the same answer at the same time.

Which one was more impressive?? Who is cooler?? Analog or Digital???
Niro 6:21 PM - 11 December, 2013
The person doing it Analog would be more entertaining to watch.
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:30 PM - 11 December, 2013
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other DJ's should matter, because they can actually judge you on actual skills and that is worth more a lot more than a regular person.
Strongly disagree

Gigs = asses in seats, now who are dropping $10 to come see you normal people or DJs?

Do you think a booking manager cares more about 50 djs who are spinnin elsewhere think your great or 50 customers who go where you go
Joshua Carl 6:31 PM - 11 December, 2013
even better.

A.
guy one spends 5 years at Johnson and wales, another 3 on the line cooking 6 nights a week, and finally 2 years as sous chef at NYC's Lebernadin.

B
Guy b watches all the cooking shows, and loves cooking for his friends

both are given the chore of making a casserole.



guy A hits the local farmers markets, cuts everything by hand using the trade secrets he has spent years learning under the best chefs in the world, makeing an amazing dish and displaying his years of dedications with a knife, flame and showmanship behind the line.

guy B orders his offline from a culinary supply shop, throws it in the microwave , puts it on a dish and decorates it with impressive garnish

heres the sad part.
only other professionals and occasional regular joe in the cooking world can really discern the two by blind taste test.

BUT! given access to watch the prep methods of the 2 chefs, no one wants the new jack who dumped his shit in the microwave.

DOES this mean the new guy might consider learning the proper way to cook, and stop calling himself a chef until he does?

DOES this mean the schooled veteran might sell his chefs knife and start dumping stuff in the microwave because the general public couldnt discern the microwave casserole from the handcooked?
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:33 PM - 11 December, 2013
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Does the crowd care about how you are doing what you are doing, yes they do. .

For most cases i strongly disagree

Ive spoken to tooons of nondj club goers who will flat out tell you they dont care, most people dont care about how its being done they justvwant to hear the songs they like andsee a good show.

If you want further proof look at the #s of people at something like edc or ultra where djs are standing there playing premixs vs a dmc event
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:34 PM - 11 December, 2013
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The person doing it Analog would be more entertaining to watch.

Personally i think watching the digital would be alot more fun
Joshua Carl 7:49 PM - 11 December, 2013
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High school kids don't buy Harleys, BMW or 3000 suits. 10,000 watches...

Why do women wear high heels? Make up? thongs?

and you have the nerve to act like cool points don't exist in real life? smh with swagg


So we trade "cool points" for "things to help get you laid points" lol
Niro 8:16 PM - 12 December, 2013
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Ive spoken to tooons of nondj club goers who will flat out tell you they dont care, most people dont care about how its being done they justvwant to hear the songs they like andsee a good show.

If you want further proof look at the #s of people at something like edc or ultra where djs are standing there playing premixs vs a dmc event


I'm sorry to hear that, around my area (Seattle), unless you're getting support/the head nod from other DJ's your not getting anywhere. Other DJ's are either playing your music or acknowledging your skills. A majority of the clubs here are booked by other DJ's or people who use to DJ.

EDC, Ultra and festivals like that are a different story. People are there to hear the artist play their production, simulated to a show. People are there to connect more with other people than the producers performing.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:38 PM - 12 December, 2013
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Ive spoken to tooons of nondj club goers who will flat out tell you they dont care, most people dont care about how its being done they justvwant to hear the songs they like andsee a good show.

If you want further proof look at the #s of people at something like edc or ultra where djs are standing there playing premixs vs a dmc event


I'm sorry to hear that, around my area (Seattle), unless you're getting support/the head nod from other DJ's your not getting anywhere. Other DJ's are either playing your music or acknowledging your skills. A majority of the clubs here are booked by other DJ's or people who use to DJ.

EDC, Ultra and festivals like that are a different story. People are there to hear the artist play their production, simulated to a show. People are there to connect more with other people than the producers performing.


I would argue that people in your hometown nightclub are there to drink and get laid moreso than to connect to the dj performing.....so same situation.
Joshua Carl 8:56 PM - 12 December, 2013
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I'm sorry to hear that, around my area (Seattle), unless you're getting support/the head nod from other DJ's your not getting anywhere.


this is also a pretty big factor too often overseen.
now -a-days its not uncommon for the resident of a night also be the entertainment director-booking person in a room.

I know, from my personal experience, where I am in charge of booking Fridays and Saturdays at 4 different clubs, I keep the rotation pretty tight ito my chest and for someone to get in they have to not only know how to make the sheep move from bush to bush.

but that's just me.
I'm sure every city has its dj cliques that control the rotations in quite a few rooms.
its the sublte art of making the people happy without "COMPLETELY" throwing your integrity and skillset out the window
Niro 9:50 PM - 12 December, 2013
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I would argue that people in your hometown nightclub are there to drink and get laid moreso than to connect to the dj performing.....so same situation.


Yes, they are going to go to a spot where there's a good dj not a bad one. I understand your pessimistic view, because I have the same one about the scene. I've played many a spots where it really doesn't matter, but I've also played many that it does matter. There will always be exceptions in any situation, yours and mine. I can't talk for you area, I can only speak for mine.
Dj-M.Bezzle 10:06 PM - 12 December, 2013
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I would argue that people in your hometown nightclub are there to drink and get laid moreso than to connect to the dj performing.....so same situation.


Yes, they are going to go to a spot where there's a good dj not a bad one. I understand your pessimistic view, because I have the same one about the scene. I've played many a spots where it really doesn't matter, but I've also played many that it does matter. There will always be exceptions in any situation, yours and mine. I can't talk for you area, I can only speak for mine.


True, i cant speak for all areas or situations but it seems to be a common consensus from the people i talk to. currently im gigging pretty heavily in 4 states and typically what the senario is is three or four duded who have been spinning about a month with their controllers and me and usualltly at least one competent dj on TTs headlining and in conversation with the djs who have been around for a while we'll watch the crowd go crazy for dudes on controllers doing very very basic mixing and go ape shit when we do a baby scratch. The main consensus i get from the old heads and skilled guys is its not even worth putting together a routine or really showin out because you get the same reaction from a backspin than you do with a full dmc level routine. Ive literally had off nights and had some major fuck ups that got fuckin cheers. When you get distracted (lost a fadet scratchin lol) and run out of track and quickly just push play on whatever the next track is and the crowd loses their mind (in a good way) you begin to realise how much they give a shit.
Niro 10:26 PM - 12 December, 2013
I'm not sure what area you are playing at, but from my experience. It's usually places that are new to DJ/Club/Rave/Festival type stuff. They don't understand it yet, Seattle and places with a heavy music involvement. Skills will always eventually outshine the hype. A lot of the club goers here probably are more educated in music then a lot of DJ's I come across. Shoot, I've had request of stuff that I wasn't even aware of and had to search for later. An example would be an event called Scratch Lounge here, it happens on the first Thursday of the month. And it's really crazy sometimes, you'll see a person there and you wouldn't think they even knew what a turntable and mixer was. Then they will randomly get on and bust out a combo.

I remember when I first started DJing in Vegas 4-5 years ago. I thought it was going to be amazing, but it was like all the small towns put into one place, which it is. The current EDM boom helps, but only in the big clubs. The more people understand music and DJing the more things will change, it usually takes time and you have to accept not everyone will get it. That's usually how scenes start. Good luck homie.
DJTorchmusic 5:38 PM - 7 January, 2014
I recently moved to Vegas to complete a recording project and Niro is correct about the local vibe. Vegas is all about Hype as it should be. Even though there's a lot of clubs, being new and unknown to the area works against you. Club managers and Music Directors (which are usually DJs themselves) already have a long list of DJs to choose from, many who are their friends. Even if your better, why should they choose you over a friend? Pre-Mixed tracks and DVS will make any mediocre DJ seem acceptable enough.
D.Brown that DJ 2:28 PM - 21 July, 2014
It's funny reading these forums months later and see everybody clownin' the Controller. First let me start by saying I rock Turntables, CDJ's and a Controller. The Turntables are like the "Jordan 1's" of the game. You'll always be fresh with a pair of Technics even with the DVS (Especially if you know how to use them)! CDJ's are great if you are one who looks to deviant from the Software option more often than not. However, if you are Traktor, or Serato purest, why not go with the Technology that is designed for that! Yes, the flash drive option is fantastic, but is it worth, all those extra trips back and forth loading and loading your gear? The extra time it takes setting up, and breaking down? The extra loot it cost to upgrade when you want? My answer for all the above questions is "NO"! FUN FACT: 92% of us are working of a computer. That is the most convenient way of organizing and locating your song selections. It's time for all of us to get over ourselves and realize the party people of today, don't give a damn whether we are manually beatmatching. Unless you are in a battle, no one wants to hear all that scratching and sh!+. Folks just want a good mix of there newest favorite joint, with some notable classics. The Music! I'll say it again......The Music, is, was, and always should be the most important ingredient to your set. As far as what vehicle you choose to deliver, is up to you. All this said, I see more and more DJ's ( Veterans, and Youngsters) showing up with DDJ SX's than anything else. So now what is the Industry Standard?
dj_double_s 3:15 PM - 21 July, 2014
+1

When I walk in a spot with a DJ, I usually notice what/how they play rather than what devices they use. Whatever they use, if it's obvious they understand music structure, programming and the set flows, I'll give em props.
WarpNote 6:21 PM - 23 July, 2014
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All this said, I see more and more DJ's ( Veterans, and Youngsters) showing up with DDJ SX's than anything else. So now what is the Industry Standard?

I have never ever seen a DDJ-SX in a club, the standard over here is 2x cjd2000 and a djm900, sadly technics tables are getting less usual.
Joshua Carl 6:31 PM - 23 July, 2014
sad but true.
alot of rooms that handle multi-format nights will still have 2 pairs of 1200s on hand.

but what usually lies in the booth is the nexus setup....
we are talking about clubs though. the mega-bar/crossver rooms I usually see 1200s/62
WarpNote 6:43 PM - 23 July, 2014
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FUN FACT: 92% of us are working of a computer.
Where did you that number? From where I stand I'd say 92% are working of USB sticks these days. Sure they would prep stuff in rekord box, but they would rather leave the computer at home, seems its all about convenience these days.
D.Brown that DJ 7:09 PM - 23 July, 2014
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FUN FACT: 92% of us are working of a computer.
Where did you that number? From where I stand I'd say 92% are working of USB sticks these days. Sure they would prep stuff in rekord box, but they would rather leave the computer at home, seems its all about convenience these days.


Ha Ha Ha! So only 8% of us are using Software? Damn! What are all these forums about on the SERATO website about then? I can't remember the last time I seen a DJ without a computer. And yes it is about convenience! I've learned to work smarter not harder. It seems we are working so hard trying to impress club owners and promoters, and each other, instead of the crowd. The crowd don't give a damn what you are using if you are killing it! And to the DJ that said he has never seen a controller at a Club, you should come to Alanta, GA! We rock with everything. All kinds of music!
WarpNote 9:04 PM - 23 July, 2014
I really prefer serato myself, however my friends rocking usb sticks, would argue they work smarter than me: just bring 2 usb & headphones to the club, no laptop, no soundcard, no laptop stand, no midi sub controller. The argument could go both ways I guess.
DJ-Hulmeman 9:13 PM - 23 July, 2014
I guess it's a question of personal taste? I love turntablism, but I've seen turntablists rock controllers and CDJs. The guys I admire/aspire to be as good as (Costik, Cwitch, Happee, Impakt, Rayted-R, Slowhand) use turntables.
D.Brown that DJ 9:21 PM - 23 July, 2014
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I really prefer serato myself, however my friends rocking usb sticks, would argue they work smarter than me: just bring 2 usb & headphones to the club, no laptop, no soundcard, no laptop stand, no midi sub controller. The argument could go both ways I guess.


Maybe I should've specified the situation of having to bring your own gear! Yes on the rare occasion that the venue has good gear all ready to go (which is extremely rare where I'm at), and I'm splitting a set, I've just brought flash drives, but I don't like that because my proformance is limited to what I put on the flash drives. That doesn't work for me!
DJ Reflex 10:25 PM - 23 July, 2014
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Don't cool points expire when you graduate high school?
if you don't use them by the end, they just expire, they don't carry over to real life.


Not like "Roll-Over-Minutes"???
D.Brown that DJ 3:40 PM - 24 July, 2014
This debate can go on and on forever. Bottom line! You should learn all the deminison. If you are calling yourself a DJ, and you expect to be respected as one, you should learn how to drive all three vehicles. Then you invest in whatever setup you are comfortable with. In my case, these days you will catch me with my controller for various reasons. Unless I'm using the venues CDJ's or I'm helping out another DJ with a set, and just us whatever they have setup. My Tables won't be leaving the house anytime soon unless the person paying me makes a special request for them (and he is paying me to bring that setup). I ain't mad at anybody that has the passion for what the prefer. Just don't tell I'm not real because I don't use what you use. I LOVE THE ART! I LOVE MUSIC! I LOVE ANY OF Y'ALL THAT LOVE THIS LIKE ME!
Funkytownstopsix 1:59 PM - 30 July, 2014
I have to agree with D. Brown it's about the music, I also agree it's about rocking the joint. I have always stated that you can put 2 dj's behind a curtain most people will not know who is using what but what they will know is if that dj is any good. Hell it's getting harder for DJ's to tell if it's turntable or controller and controllers are getting better by the day. Sad that people try and put someone down because they use a controller or use turntables when in fact they are all using music, the common denominator. I started on 1200's love them and have had a lot of other stuff in-between and now own a controller. I have no need to impress other dj's my music does all the talking at the gigs. USB is good for a club dj that does not do video so I can't use it. Everything else is fair game.

I like being a versatile dj and have an open mind for technology. I can show up at any venue and use almost every kind setup no greater feeling than being able to jump onto some turntables with records no software and then jump over to a controller or just use a computer.. I don't need no stinking bpm screen either I am old school but I am also new school and a realist.I don't knock controllers as I use 1200's because that would be hypercritical since I use a computer, software and hard drives. For those DJ's that don't use software they understand this concept because their collections is all records in crates and is much more difficult to do period. It's Hypercritical to take some technology for your convenience and dispel the rest, I just can't do that,,,,,,, be Hypercritical that is!!! Use what you want that's how you get cool points,, lol but you have to be good....

I wont knock anyone for what they use but for me no doubt I can do more on a controller than 1200's. So for me it's about maximizing my set. Now if I were a turntablist then I would use the 1200's to maximize my set, yeah I can scratch a little hell DJ Jazzy Jeff is my idol but I will never get to that level.

MY POINT is I have been a DJ's for almost 3 decades no matter if I take turntables or a controller if I get a funny look I could give a damn because I am getting paid to do it how I want to. I get my cool point all throughout the gig and a whole lot at the end of it no matter if I take 1200 or a DDJ...Fudge all those DJ's that want to say whatever because I am getting paid and reality getting paid to play music. The Highest cool point factor goes to the dj that can rock the crowd period no matter what you show up with trust me on that you can have turntables and be straight ship and you can have the contoller with all the bells and whistles and still be trash, its all about the dj and the music.... NM
Logisticalstyles 3:00 PM - 30 July, 2014
Not that I think "cool factor points" matter, but in my experience the turntables have always impressed the clients more. I can think back to my two most recent gigs and both times my choice of music system mattered to the client.

Last Saturday I DJ'ed a comedy show where all I needed was to connect to the house system. When I showed up and pulled out my laptop and Denon controller out of my backpack the promoter had a big look of disappointment like "where's the turntables?" Now granted, this guy is a former DJ so I think he just wanted to get some play time before the gig but I could tell he was let down by the little controller although at the end of the night he was happy with how the music sounded.

The other gig was a wedding and reception. At the end of the night the venue owner specifically told me that I was the best DJ they've had at that location and he described the other DJs that came in with huge speakers and a little controller or iPads for music playback as pathetic. He wasn't a DJ but he definitely respected the fact that I used turntables.
My rule of thumb is if the gig pays less than $200 then I'm just bringing my laptop and controller. If they are spending more than $300 then it's gonna be turntables all the way. Anything in between really depends on the circumstances of the gig.
D.Brown that DJ 4:03 PM - 30 July, 2014
Thank you Funkytownstopsix and Logisticalstyles! Clearly we all speak the same language.
Funkytownstopsix 4:04 PM - 30 July, 2014
No way in hell I'm taking turntables to a comdey show. I do the IMPROV a lot and that's way to much to take for comdey show.. backpack laptop controller/case and stand walkin and walk out. LOL and It will take more than $300 to bring my 1200's out.
Logisticalstyles 4:20 PM - 30 July, 2014
Yeah, I just couldn't justify the turntables for a 2hr comedy show. I'm fairly new to bringing controllers for my gigs but so far it's been useful as hell. I still bring my SL1 and mixer as a back up though. If the controller fails I can always finish the gig in internal mode. Which goes to add to the point of knowing how to use any kind of setup to get the job done. I'm proud of the fact that I can use Turntables or CDJS (with or without Serato) or controllers and still do my thing. For me it all comes down to a matter of comfort and convenience.
Funkytownstopsix 4:31 PM - 30 July, 2014
For me setup, scale and tear down is why I am using contorllers now. My subs(VRX's) take up a lot of space and since I do video I take a screen add turntables to it and then I have to take my trailer. Without them I can load all my stuff in the back of my truck don't even have to deal with a trailor. So as you stated for comfort and convenience I'm getting older and have always been a mobile dj.... I get as mobile as I can...
phonze 7:58 PM - 30 July, 2014
At the end of the day, use what works for you and your clients. All that matters. From my experience, most DJ's on controllers aren't very….good. Limited in the kind of music they play, and it just has a stigma of "overnight DJ' written all over it. That stigma won't change until the skilled, more experienced DJ's start jumping onto these controllers. So in time, I think the stigma can/will change.
DJ Reflex 4:45 AM - 31 July, 2014
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The other gig was a wedding and reception. At the end of the night the venue owner specifically told me that I was the best DJ they've had at that location and he described the other DJs that came in with huge speakers and a little controller or iPads for music playback as pathetic. He wasn't a DJ but he definitely respected the fact that I used turntables.
My rule of thumb is if the gig pays less than $200 then I'm just bringing my laptop and controller. If they are spending more than $300 then it's gonna be turntables all the way. Anything in between really depends on the circumstances of the gig.


Nailed it! "Cool Points"??? Dunno, but I get the same reaction a lot from weddings and wedding venues. "Your'e the only [mobile] DJ that actually uses turntables anymore." Now the fact that I do not own a controller may factor into this since I have no choice, but I have used them to rock a few weddings as well. You just don't get the same reaction from the clients or the staff at the end of the night.
Funkytownstopsix 4:28 PM - 31 July, 2014
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The other gig was a wedding and reception. At the end of the night the venue owner specifically told me that I was the best DJ they've had at that location and he described the other DJs that came in with huge speakers and a little controller or iPads for music playback as pathetic. He wasn't a DJ but he definitely respected the fact that I used turntables.
My rule of thumb is if the gig pays less than $200 then I'm just bringing my laptop and controller. If they are spending more than $300 then it's gonna be turntables all the way. Anything in between really depends on the circumstances of the gig.


: ) People think different things!!!! When I read it first thing that came to mind was that the dj was shippy and his equipment was too!!! NM If DJ Reflex did the event there may have been a different outcome even with shitty equipment. I have seen dj's rock some terrible and I do mean terrible equipment and everybody knew it was the equipment not the d and still had funj. Now it really gets bad if you had a bad dj and bad equipment.


I did a wedding reception this past weekend I hurt my back so I had a friend who has been knowing me since the 5th grade come along. He was like what no turntables (because he has never been with me using a controller ,,,, said not this time. He told me after everything was over that he didn't think I was going to be able to do ship with a controller but admitted he was wrong and said he didn't even miss the turntables. He was also impressed with how many people came up and asked for cards and the Manger of the Event location came up and said the same thing "YOUR THE BEST DJ I HAVE EVER MET... Mostly because he never seen a video DJ and my equipment was top notch. All of this was done with a controller so there is always two sides of the coin.. So you know I am not making it up you can pm me and I will send you the event place number and ask about DJ BIG and what he thought about me, my equipment and setup..... HE didn't give a damn about the controller trust me.. Actually I never get any backlash for using a controller except from other DJ's. People act like there's going to be a crowd of people standing around looking at turntables all night long not the case. If I am not using TT's I make it a point to make sure you think I am....Which is pretty easy

I will say this if you can't dj the without software you need to learn because you never know were your going to be and they need a dj... I mean if you call yourself a dj should know how to anyway.... I'm not saying go out and buy turntables but stop uisng wave forms and BPM counters and mix by ear... For the record fudge cool points just give me the money.
DJ Reflex 9:19 PM - 31 July, 2014
I always play Beck - "Where It's At". You know - two turntables and a microphone!
ninjagaijin 10:06 PM - 23 February, 2015
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I was thinking about this, since I can Jam on all three. So, who do you respect the most? A Dj who spin off Vinyl, CDJs or Controller?

3-4x vinyl decks. And using the mic at the same time, for some purpose or other. Throat singing, MCing, singing along, narrating etc.
DJ Nexus2000 1:39 AM - 1 March, 2015
This is a very hard decision, it depends on exactly who the hardware is from.
DJ Alkemy 11:35 AM - 2 March, 2015
I think your cool points are automatically revoked when that even becomes a question you ask other DJ's. None of us are that cool. If your any good you probably spent half your youth locked in your room, being a geek, collecting records, updating software or on these forums, geeking out with other DJ's.
eugguy 12:16 PM - 2 March, 2015
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I think your cool points are automatically revoked when that even becomes a question you ask other DJ's. None of us are that cool. If your any good you probably spent half your youth locked in your room, being a geek, collecting records, updating software or on these forums, geeking out with other DJ's.

Ahaha
DJ Nexus2000 1:44 PM - 2 March, 2015
You are so right..
DJ Barz 9:12 PM - 2 March, 2015
Audiences barely care anymore. CDJ's are probably the most recognizable to young club crowds but TBH as long as you're rocking a professional standard setup of somesort it doesn't really matter as long as you're good at it.
BigWave DJ 12:50 AM - 3 March, 2015
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Audiences barely care anymore. CDJ's are probably the most recognizable to young club crowds but TBH as long as you're rocking a professional standard setup of somesort it doesn't really matter as long as you're good at it.


+1
Funkytownstopsix 6:03 PM - 5 August, 2015
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I think your cool points are automatically revoked when that even becomes a question you ask other DJ's. None of us are that cool. If your any good you probably spent half your youth locked in your room, being a geek, collecting records, updating software or on these forums, geeking out with other DJ's.
Real statement!!!!! lol but that now means I am not cool wtf!!!
DJ Marv the Maverick 8:52 AM - 6 August, 2015
Vinyl (DVS) most likely. The kids in my town all use controllers and local bars don't give them gigs albeit many of them are super talented djs. But i ve got bookings like crazy and most times when a band cancels i get booked to be the main. Apart from djing i think they dig the whole 2 TTs and a Mixer set up...plus i have started doing videos
DJTorchmusic 12:05 AM - 7 August, 2015
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I think your cool points are automatically revoked when that even becomes a question you ask other DJ's. None of us are that cool. If your any good you probably spent half your youth locked in your room, being a geek, collecting records, updating software or on these forums, geeking out with other DJ's.


Dude... you know nothing about me. I asked that question because I had Djed for 20 years and stopped to do IT work. I was asking that question because I was still wondering if Vinyl was still cool. Dude, why do you keep being a dick or do you only attempt to insult me?
DJ Alkemy 1:26 PM - 10 August, 2015
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Dude... you know nothing about me. I asked that question because I had Djed for 20 years and stopped to do IT work. I was asking that question because I was still wondering if Vinyl was still cool. Dude, why do you keep being a dick or do you only attempt to insult me?


I don't even know who you are so it ain't personal, it's an observation....but, since we are talking about having cool points revoked, I'll leave this here: I had Djed for 20 years and stopped to DO IT WORK.

Lol
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:42 PM - 10 August, 2015
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Dude... you know nothing about me. I asked that question because I had Djed for 20 years and stopped to do IT work. I was asking that question because I was still wondering if Vinyl was still cool. Dude, why do you keep being a dick or do you only attempt to insult me?


I don't even know who you are so it ain't personal, it's an observation....but, since we are talking about having cool points revoked, I'll leave this here: I had Djed for 20 years and stopped to DO IT WORK.

Lol



ROTFLMAO!!
Dj-M.Bezzle 1:44 PM - 10 August, 2015
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I think your cool points are automatically revoked when that even becomes a question you ask other DJ's. None of us are that cool. If your any good you probably spent half your youth locked in your room, being a geek, collecting records, updating software or on these forums, geeking out with other DJ's.


Dude... you know nothing about me. I asked that question because I had Djed for 20 years and stopped to do IT work. I was asking that question because I was still wondering if Vinyl was still cool. Dude, why do you keep being a dick or do you only attempt to insult me?



You dont have to know someone to know that if your spending time/energy trying to figure out if something is "cool", your losing "cool points".
R-Tistic 8:00 PM - 10 August, 2015
Certain controllers look "cool" to young folks who've never seen vinyls, that's it. They can have a spaceship control board look, and the "oooo lights!" factor makes some of them think it's dope.
Funkytownstopsix 3:33 PM - 18 August, 2015
Fudge the cool points it's all about the money as long as I am getting paid I will be cool enough.
ozfrombk 4:31 PM - 18 August, 2015
I just can't get used to the workflow on a controller. I need that spinning platter!
DJ-Hulmeman 5:45 PM - 21 August, 2015
Controller or TT, mac or pc, sync or no sync...? The dancefloor/s will ultimately decide how cool you are....unless you're a celebrity DJ; in which case your name will fill the floor/s and not your talent (although there must even be exceptions to this rule).
DJTorchmusic 7:34 PM - 21 August, 2015
I can't believe this thread is still going. However, since it is, I'm going to explain why "cool points" do count and then maybe you'll understand why I started this thread a long time ago.

Back in the 80's and 90's I was djing on Vinyl (mostly 1200s). Many times the clubs would have a pair that needed service badly. I remember many times djing on one TT while using a back up tape deck on for the other channel (yes, and some how mixing them). Eventually in the mid 90's I transitioned over to CDs. One reason was of my back injury I sustained getting rear ended on I80. Pioneer had just released their 500 series and then their CDJ 1000s. I can't count the amount of gigs I lost because I was using CDJs and not Vinyl. I was still busy, gigging double booked, etc. But, some promoters/club owners weren't feeling it.. In other words, though I could mix better than most, I lost "cool points" because I was using CDJs.

So, when I'm talking "cool points" I'm not just talking about the crowd, I'm talking about Promoters, Managers, Manager's sons and those who have influence over them. I'm sure we all have bumped into a few of the above that were less than qualfied to make decisions but that doesn't make a difference. They're in that position now and your goal is to "get the gig".

In Mid 2K I was working one of the largest clubs in the Bay. One day I was approached by a Club Manager of a competing club and he told me point blank that if I spun Vinyl he'd want me to spin at his spot a lot more. He was also good friends with E40 and though you may question his judgment, he's not someone you want to disappoint or lose "cool points" with because you never know where you may be able to "redeem them".

How did I lose my bearing on what's "cool"?

In 2006 I stopped DJing to focus more on my IT career (big mistake). I was still using CDs at that time and so was most of the DJs in my area, now including the radio DJs.

When I post this thread it had been almost 7 years and in DJ gear that's a long time. I did spend time making beats but did not pay attention to what was going on in the DJ scene at all.

So, instead of buying the wrong shit, I thought it'd be a good idea to find out what's cool.

Since then I pretty much have focused most of my time on "beatmaking/producing" so I don't care anymore. Though I do have a DDJ SZ gathering dust (well it's covered).

*** SO it's offical****

The author of this thread doesn't care anymore so Serato, feel free to close it if you like lol.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:54 PM - 21 August, 2015
Cool story bro
Funkytownstopsix 8:14 PM - 21 August, 2015
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Back in the 80's and 90's I was djing on Vinyl (mostly 1200s). Many times the clubs would have a pair that needed service badly. I remember many times djing on one TT while using a back up tape deck on for the other channel (yes, and some how mixing them). Eventually in the mid 90's I transitioned over to CDs. One reason was of my back injury I sustained getting rear ended on I80. Pioneer had just released their 500 series and then their CDJ 1000s. I can't count the amount of gigs I lost because I was using CDJs and not Vinyl. I was still busy, gigging double booked, etc. But, some promoters/club owners weren't feeling it.. In other words, though I could mix better than most, I lost "cool points" because I was using CDJs.


Damn this was the exact same thing I did going from 1210's to the CDJ 500 then to the 1000's all the way to the MK3 but now I use my DDJ SX2. DAMN!!!! YOUR OLD... lol...I still do vinyl but at an extra cost as I too have a bad back. One thing that I did to lighten my load at some parties in the 90's was to use mixvibes which was pretty solid on my laptop pc... Anyway good luck....
DJTorchmusic 9:32 PM - 24 August, 2015
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Cool story bro


Thanks
DJTorchmusic 9:39 PM - 24 August, 2015
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Back in the 80's and 90's I was djing on Vinyl (mostly 1200s). Many times the clubs would have a pair that needed service badly. I remember many times djing on one TT while using a back up tape deck on for the other channel (yes, and some how mixing them). Eventually in the mid 90's I transitioned over to CDs. One reason was of my back injury I sustained getting rear ended on I80. Pioneer had just released their 500 series and then their CDJ 1000s. I can't count the amount of gigs I lost because I was using CDJs and not Vinyl. I was still busy, gigging double booked, etc. But, some promoters/club owners weren't feeling it.. In other words, though I could mix better than most, I lost "cool points" because I was using CDJs.


Damn this was the exact same thing I did going from 1210's to the CDJ 500 then to the 1000's all the way to the MK3 but now I use my DDJ SX2. DAMN!!!! YOUR OLD... lol...I still do vinyl but at an extra cost as I too have a bad back. One thing that I did to lighten my load at some parties in the 90's was to use mixvibes which was pretty solid on my laptop pc... Anyway good luck....


I wish you the best too and yeah, I'm an O.G. lol. Don't tell nobody...lol
Mr. Goodkat 9:47 PM - 24 August, 2015
used to say tts, but ill go with cdj 2000 nxs now.
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used to say tts, but ill go with cdj 2000 nxs now.


Is that you Cait? :P

nm
dj vineLmix 11:22 PM - 27 September, 2015
Hey, DJTorchmusic....

This is an interesting discussion. I have had my 1200 since 1981 - and I still use them. I also have a controller, which I use for mobile gigs (Numark Mixdeck), because of its portability. Both rigs are used with Serato DJ.

The only people who criticize me are a couple DJs who use Pioneer Nexus CDJ equipment - which would be great to have, except for the staggering cost. Moreover, I would have to go through my music collection and reformat all my files with Rekordbox.

I started out with PCDJ, then Traktor DJ, and then I switched to Serato a few years ago, because of the video capability. Point is, I started DJing literally before some of these guys were even born. All clubs used to have turntables, and back then, some even had whole collections of vinyl. When they didn't, I used to lug my own vinyl into the DJ booth.

I have been doing mixes for over 30 years, so I don't care what some punk-ass, arrogant know-it-all tells me that I should be using. He isn't going to pay for new equipment, so that I can fall in with his preference. You should not care, either. However, if you expect to play in a club, you need to be prepared for whatever they have. Sometimes, you can bring in your own rig, and drop it in right next to the house equipment. These days, quite a few clubs use the Pioneer setup.

Use whatever fits best into your routine. If you travel with equipment, setup and teardown might be important, and you might consider portability. Outdoor gigs might make the TT approach impractical. If money is no object, then you can really go for what you think is the coolest. That said, use what brings out the best in you. I personally prefer turntables, because there is nothing like the feel of vinyl, but I will play on whatever makes the most sense for the gig.

Jam on!
 6 2:16 AM - 28 September, 2015
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Hey, DJTorchmusic....

This is an interesting discussion. I have had my 1200 since 1981 - and I still use them. I also have a controller, which I use for mobile gigs (Numark Mixdeck), because of its portability. Both rigs are used with Serato DJ.

The only people who criticize me are a couple DJs who use Pioneer Nexus CDJ equipment - which would be great to have, except for the staggering cost. Moreover, I would have to go through my music collection and reformat all my files with Rekordbox.

I started out with PCDJ, then Traktor DJ, and then I switched to Serato a few years ago, because of the video capability. Point is, I started DJing literally before some of these guys were even born. All clubs used to have turntables, and back then, some even had whole collections of vinyl. When they didn't, I used to lug my own vinyl into the DJ booth.

I have been doing mixes for over 30 years, so I don't care what some punk-ass, arrogant know-it-all tells me that I should be using. He isn't going to pay for new equipment, so that I can fall in with his preference. You should not care, either. However, if you expect to play in a club, you need to be prepared for whatever they have. Sometimes, you can bring in your own rig, and drop it in right next to the house equipment. These days, quite a few clubs use the Pioneer setup.

Use whatever fits best into your routine. If you travel with equipment, setup and teardown might be important, and you might consider portability. Outdoor gigs might make the TT approach impractical. If money is no object, then you can really go for what you think is the coolest. That said, use what brings out the best in you. I personally prefer turntables, because there is nothing like the feel of vinyl, but I will play on whatever makes the most sense for the gig.

Jam on!


Outstanding post.

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Taipanic 7:49 PM - 28 September, 2015
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Hey, DJTorchmusic....

This is an interesting discussion. I have had my 1200 since 1981 - and I still use them. I also have a controller, which I use for mobile gigs (Numark Mixdeck), because of its portability. Both rigs are used with Serato DJ.

The only people who criticize me are a couple DJs who use Pioneer Nexus CDJ equipment - which would be great to have, except for the staggering cost. Moreover, I would have to go through my music collection and reformat all my files with Rekordbox.

I started out with PCDJ, then Traktor DJ, and then I switched to Serato a few years ago, because of the video capability. Point is, I started DJing literally before some of these guys were even born. All clubs used to have turntables, and back then, some even had whole collections of vinyl. When they didn't, I used to lug my own vinyl into the DJ booth.

I have been doing mixes for over 30 years, so I don't care what some punk-ass, arrogant know-it-all tells me that I should be using. He isn't going to pay for new equipment, so that I can fall in with his preference. You should not care, either. However, if you expect to play in a club, you need to be prepared for whatever they have. Sometimes, you can bring in your own rig, and drop it in right next to the house equipment. These days, quite a few clubs use the Pioneer setup.

Use whatever fits best into your routine. If you travel with equipment, setup and teardown might be important, and you might consider portability. Outdoor gigs might make the TT approach impractical. If money is no object, then you can really go for what you think is the coolest. That said, use what brings out the best in you. I personally prefer turntables, because there is nothing like the feel of vinyl, but I will play on whatever makes the most sense for the gig.

Jam on!


+100

There was a time when using turntables wasn't cool anymore - if you weren't using CDs you were falling behind. While spinning vinyl for 15 years straight full time, I always embraced any new technology that made my performances better - CD, Minidisc, reel to reel, drum machines, outboard samplers, etc... Use whatever tools give you the ability to create the best mix you can and F all the dues who want to talk crap. Any truly talented DJ can create a great mix using any decent tools. It's what features and work flow get you excited to be the most creative that is key.
 6 10:41 PM - 28 September, 2015
I've never seen the "turntables weren't cool" phenomenon. Ever.

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Taipanic 5:50 PM - 29 September, 2015
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I've never seen the "turntables weren't cool" phenomenon. Ever.


There was a time when the focus shifted (for some) about the new crystal clear digital sound. No pops, no skips (wrong!), the absolute best music could sound. Many people and businesses pushed this aspect during the early nineties. Clubs almost always had turntables in use though, of course this is where your complete back catalog of music existed. By 2000 only half the music I was playing in the club was on vinyl, most of those being non mainstream breakbeat tracks, the rest being on CD or MD.
Mr. Goodkat 8:01 PM - 29 September, 2015
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By 2000 only half the music I was playing in the club was on vinyl, most of those being non mainstream breakbeat tracks, the rest being on CD or MD.


i came in that time and i had my djm 500 and cdj 100s and i used to get clowned by the house guys, then about 3-4 years later, when i actually had house gigs and played vinyl, they were all playing burned cd's.
d:raf 9:06 PM - 29 September, 2015
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I've never seen the "turntables weren't cool" phenomenon. Ever.


There was a time when the focus shifted (for some) about the new crystal clear digital sound. No pops, no skips (wrong!), the absolute best music could sound. Many people and businesses pushed this aspect during the early nineties. Clubs almost always had turntables in use though, of course this is where your complete back catalog of music existed. By 2000 only half the music I was playing in the club was on vinyl, most of those being non mainstream breakbeat tracks, the rest being on CD or MD.


From '86: Skip to 4:48 if it doesn't do it for you... youtu.be
Niro 9:09 PM - 29 September, 2015
Not sure Master Gee is a representative of the populace or anything else really.
d:raf 9:11 PM - 29 September, 2015
I was only using that as an example of the industry push that Taipanic was speaking of.
deezlee 11:26 PM - 29 September, 2015
I remember when the turntables were usually neglected and fucked up at clubs. It's better now that dvs' are around. More working tables.
 6 12:37 AM - 30 September, 2015
Turntables are neglects at clubs because people don't respect what's not their property. It has nothing to do with anything else.

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Owl G 8:26 AM - 30 September, 2015
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I've never seen the "turntables weren't cool" phenomenon. Ever.


Same. If anything it feels like we are in the midst of "Turntables? That's dope, man."
RonDu 5:46 PM - 30 September, 2015
Well, I did get quite a many of the "What, this n*gga carrying crates?" looks till about 2006. Went to many gigs with my crates only to find out they had CDJs. People looking at me like turntables were prehistoric parasites.

What's funny now is that I remember seeing all the busted up and neglected 1200s sitting around under the booth or to the side collecting dust and spilled drinks at bars and clubs. Now I am seeing busted up CDJs facing the same fate as those 1200s now that people are using controllers. I doubt controllers will have the same fate though...
d:raf 5:57 PM - 30 September, 2015
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Now I am seeing busted up CDJs facing the same fate as those 1200s now that people are using controllers. I doubt controllers will have the same fate though...


They already do; they just accumulate at people's houses instead of the club.
Taipanic 6:17 PM - 30 September, 2015
For me playing through the 80's-2000 it was never about turntables not being cool anymore. The focus from me as a DJ was trying any new technology that would let me put on a better show. We were excited to try new stuff - samplers, drum machines, CDs, MDs, DVD Videos, and then computers. The turntable was always the base equipment used in the club. What I did (and do) look down upon is crappy equipment and people using crutches to replace skill or creativity, not enhance it.
On a side note, picked up another 1210 yesterday for $300, woohoo!
DJTorchmusic 9:54 PM - 30 September, 2015
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Quote:
Hey, DJTorchmusic....

This is an interesting discussion. I have had my 1200 since 1981 - and I still use them. I also have a controller, which I use for mobile gigs (Numark Mixdeck), because of its portability. Both rigs are used with Serato DJ.

The only people who criticize me are a couple DJs who use Pioneer Nexus CDJ equipment - which would be great to have, except for the staggering cost. Moreover, I would have to go through my music collection and reformat all my files with Rekordbox.

I started out with PCDJ, then Traktor DJ, and then I switched to Serato a few years ago, because of the video capability. Point is, I started DJing literally before some of these guys were even born. All clubs used to have turntables, and back then, some even had whole collections of vinyl. When they didn't, I used to lug my own vinyl into the DJ booth.

I have been doing mixes for over 30 years, so I don't care what some punk-ass, arrogant know-it-all tells me that I should be using. He isn't going to pay for new equipment, so that I can fall in with his preference. You should not care, either. However, if you expect to play in a club, you need to be prepared for whatever they have. Sometimes, you can bring in your own rig, and drop it in right next to the house equipment. These days, quite a few clubs use the Pioneer setup.

Use whatever fits best into your routine. If you travel with equipment, setup and teardown might be important, and you might consider portability. Outdoor gigs might make the TT approach impractical. If money is no object, then you can really go for what you think is the coolest. That said, use what brings out the best in you. I personally prefer turntables, because there is nothing like the feel of vinyl, but I will play on whatever makes the most sense for the gig.

Jam on!


Outstanding post.

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I agree
The Despicable Nyan Cat 3:28 AM - 1 October, 2015
What do you define as cool?

Jamming breakbeats on vinil?
Smooth techhouse with tons of lights flashing in your face?



Controllers are just not cool bruh get your facts straight.
Controllers are fore EDM djs
Funkytownstopsix 4:33 PM - 5 October, 2015
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What do you define as cool?

Jamming breakbeats on vinil?
Smooth techhouse with tons of lights flashing in your face?



Controllers are just not cool bruh get your facts straight.
Controllers are fore EDM djs


What's cool and how you get cool points and that is by getting REPEAT GIGS. You can have what everybody think is cool but if you can't dj it matters not and if you can dj no matter what you use you will be cool. Everybody on this forum knows that the only people that care what you use 99 % of the time is other DJ's..... FYI the ones who are not paying you or buying your equipment... They all can it a dick as far as I am concerned.. Fudge the dumb shit I have done gigs on all platforms and it comes down to getting paid and getting new gigs from it,,,,,,, that's the cool shit...that's the cool points... everything else means nothing. Big out!!!!
Owl G 2:34 AM - 6 October, 2015
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it comes down to getting paid and getting new gigs from it,,,,,,, that's the cool shit...that's the cool points... everything else means nothing. Big out!!!!


Damn Paris Hilton is cool as hell.
dj_foo 9:22 AM - 6 October, 2015
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What do you define as cool?

Jamming breakbeats on vinil?
Smooth techhouse with tons of lights flashing in your face?



Controllers are just not cool bruh get your facts straight.
Controllers are fore EDM djs


So if I played a smooth, tech house mix WITHOUT Sync - in fact with the laptop turned away and only used for choosing tracks, there were little to no errors and you enjoyed it and thought it was "cool" you'd decide it wasn't "cool" because I did it using a controller?

Controllers are not "fore" EDM djs completely. I hardly play any EDM "big room house" because I cant stand it. But Trance, House, Tech, Deep, Garage etc. All using a DDJ SX. Which is a controller. I also have a nice little DVS system using 1210's at home. Which is definitely "cool" but to say controllers aren't cool is a pointless statement. Its all about the music at the end of the day.

And the ONLY people who care HOW you play the music are other DJ's. And if they were self respecting in any way they would give kudos to the sound and the control you have over the dancefloor regardless of how you achieved it...
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:07 PM - 7 October, 2015
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Quote:
What do you define as cool?

Jamming breakbeats on vinil?
Smooth techhouse with tons of lights flashing in your face?



Controllers are just not cool bruh get your facts straight.
Controllers are fore EDM djs


So if I played a smooth, tech house mix WITHOUT Sync - in fact with the laptop turned away and only used for choosing tracks, there were little to no errors and you enjoyed it and thought it was "cool" you'd decide it wasn't "cool" because I did it using a controller?



Correct
DJ Matty Stiles 2:40 PM - 7 October, 2015
man this question is so silly, should never have been asked.

1. Vinyl
2. CDJ
3. (Dead last) Controllers

End of thread
The Despicable Nyan Cat 5:17 PM - 7 October, 2015
^ THIS
DJTorchmusic 11:20 PM - 7 October, 2015
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man this question is so silly, should never have been asked.

1. Vinyl
2. CDJ
3. (Dead last) Controllers

End of thread


LOL@ Matty,

Dude, So you're the authority on Djing, huh?
DJTorchmusic 12:02 AM - 8 October, 2015
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it comes down to getting paid and getting new gigs from it,,,,,,, that's the cool shit...that's the cool points... everything else means nothing. Big out!!!!


Damn Paris Hilton is cool as hell.


Yup! She must be the shit, when it comes to Djing cause she's like #7 in the money making department! LOL
Funkytownstopsix 3:10 PM - 8 October, 2015
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it comes down to getting paid and getting new gigs from it,,,,,,, that's the cool shit...that's the cool points... everything else means nothing. Big out!!!!


Damn Paris Hilton is cool as hell.


Yup! She must be the shit, when it comes to Djing cause she's like #7 in the money making department! LOL

Like I said she is getting paid and getting repeat gigs,,,,,, that is cool as hell and what's is even cooler is she don't need the money.

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man this question is so silly, should never have been asked.

1. Vinyl
2. CDJ
3. (Dead last) Controllers

End of thread

+100

At the end of the day making money is all the cool points anybody needs.
DJTorchmusic 5:32 AM - 9 October, 2015
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it comes down to getting paid and getting new gigs from it,,,,,,, that's the cool shit...that's the cool points... everything else means nothing. Big out!!!!


Damn Paris Hilton is cool as hell.


Yup! She must be the shit, when it comes to Djing cause she's like #7 in the money making department! LOL

Like I said she is getting paid and getting repeat gigs,,,,,, that is cool as hell and what's is even cooler is she don't need the money.

Quote:
man this question is so silly, should never have been asked.

1. Vinyl
2. CDJ
3. (Dead last) Controllers

End of thread

+100

At the end of the day making money is all the cool points anybody needs.


I was never in it "for the money". I was in it because I love music and music loves me. I'm fascinated by music and I love the way music makes me feel. I like the way it makes others feel and that's why I became a DJ. It was never nor will it ever be "for the money".

OK about CDJs vs Controllers... I disagree, more so when you compare a "mega controller" to a CDJ. They look the same and in many ways a DDJ SZ is better equipped than 2 CDJ 2000s and a Pioneer Mixer. I'd even go out on a limb and say the DDJ-SZ (mostly metal) is built better than CDJ 2000 decks (mostly plastic).
Funkytownstopsix 1:53 PM - 9 October, 2015
So if your not in for the money then be sure to give everybody their money back since you love music and music loves you!!!! : ) Honestly I understand how you feel about djing I love to do it and I do a few gigs for free but in order to get equipment or even better equipment you have to generate money unless you love djing so much that you would pay for it all and charge no one. Now if you are that guy I can use your services I will charge and you can dj for me for free I could make a killing.

I say that repeat gigs that people are willing to pay you for are all the cool points you need wheatear you take the money or not. Nothing else is a debate for me especially the equipment used because if you put 3 dj's behind a curtain vinyl, cdj, and controller it would be very hard to tell which is using what especially if they are using serato which makes each platform a controller furthermore the crowd would not care as long as they were entertained.

What I think is cool as hell is seeing a dj using vinyl and pulling records out of milk crates and doing their whole set from those crates,,,,,,now that's impressive because they are doing it old school.... if they use serato it's a controller hold on to the fact that you use vinyl and turntables all you like but if you not pulling those records out of a crates and putting them on the turntables you are using a controller so then again why say anything negative on the subject if you are doing so.

As a dj that has done it on vinyl, cdj's and controllers I am not brand new to the dj game, I can safely say I am cool no matter which I use...
 6 3:39 PM - 9 October, 2015
There are plenty of people who pay to play. Sad. But true.

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DJ Matty Stiles 6:17 PM - 9 October, 2015
Don't really see how it's a logical assumption to infer that I am "the authority on DJing" by me simply stating the obvious. Sorry if I come off arrogant but a general consensus like this requires no further consideration.

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Quote:
man this question is so silly, should never have been asked.

1. Vinyl
2. CDJ
3. (Dead last) Controllers

End of thread


LOL@ Matty,

Dude, So you're the authority on Djing, huh?
Funkytownstopsix 8:12 PM - 9 October, 2015
lol maybe it the condescending statements you have made about controller's, and this doesn't require further discussion. Had you said it is my personal opinion maybe people would see statements differently.

So Matt do you use serato to do your gigs since your big on vinyl? I am sure you swap out records on each song and own doubles of each if not you use a controller how do you feel about that? Sure your using a turntable and a vinyl (TIMECODE) but do you at least flip the records on each song so you appear to be an OG DJ. This is why this subject is mute because people want to take parts of technology and still claim to be old-school when clearly you are not. FYI I am not attacking you just stating facts if you would like to rebuttal please do so but if you not using just turntables, records and a mixer please don't.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:10 PM - 9 October, 2015
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lol maybe it the condescending statements you have made about controller's, and this doesn't require further discussion. Had you said it is my personal opinion maybe people would see statements differently.

So Matt do you use serato to do your gigs since your big on vinyl? I am sure you swap out records on each song and own doubles of each if not you use a controller how do you feel about that? Sure your using a turntable and a vinyl (TIMECODE) but do you at least flip the records on each song so you appear to be an OG DJ. This is why this subject is mute because people want to take parts of technology and still claim to be old-school when clearly you are not. FYI I am not attacking you just stating facts if you would like to rebuttal please do so but if you not using just turntables, records and a mixer please don't.



This misses the mark though. Its not "looking old school" that makes using turntables cool, its the look and feel and art that they emminate. A good turntable seteup is well crafted and imposing. The techs and the mixer sit stable and strong in front of the dj ans theres an art to touching the vinyl just right and adjusting for wow and flutter and making a physical connection to its flo. It looks powerful VS a 6 foot dj hunched over 12 inches of plastic tapping a 4 inch jogwheel that looks similar to a speak n say
 6 9:42 PM - 9 October, 2015
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lol maybe it the condescending statements you have made about controller's, and this doesn't require further discussion. Had you said it is my personal opinion maybe people would see statements differently.

So Matt do you use serato to do your gigs since your big on vinyl? I am sure you swap out records on each song and own doubles of each if not you use a controller how do you feel about that? Sure your using a turntable and a vinyl (TIMECODE) but do you at least flip the records on each song so you appear to be an OG DJ. This is why this subject is mute because people want to take parts of technology and still claim to be old-school when clearly you are not. FYI I am not attacking you just stating facts if you would like to rebuttal please do so but if you not using just turntables, records and a mixer please don't.



This misses the mark though. Its not "looking old school" that makes using turntables cool, its the look and feel and art that they emminate. A good turntable seteup is well crafted and imposing. The techs and the mixer sit stable and strong in front of the dj ans theres an art to touching the vinyl just right and adjusting for wow and flutter and making a physical connection to its flo. It looks powerful VS a 6 foot dj hunched over 12 inches of plastic tapping a 4 inch jogwheel that looks similar to a speak n say



This right here.

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DJ Matty Stiles 3:23 AM - 10 October, 2015
Give me 2 techs and an S9 (or even 62) over any controller
DJ Matty Stiles 3:40 AM - 10 October, 2015
LOL. "The 6 foot dude hunching over a few inches of plastic"

To bezzles point, I prefer they extra space to put my hand, I prefer to physically slow down the moving platter. I prefer the feel of the torque when moving the record backwards and forwards etc etc

The original question "what gets the highest cool factor" points is pretty self straightforward.

If you surveyed a thosand people on the street and showed a picture of each setup, the turntables would annihilate the rest.

Sorry to those who own controllers
RonDu 1:55 PM - 12 October, 2015
I have a stand-alone controller and they are so cool and so easy to use. Makes DJ'ing so easy and efficient and almost everyone has one. Which is why I carry turntables almost everywhere I play as long as space affords it.
DJTorchmusic 9:00 AM - 13 October, 2015
I believe you younger cats have a different view of Technics than I do. I used them back in 82 and kept using them until 2006. I'm going to tell you something. They're nothing great. Nastalgic, yes, but I just looked at them as some tool to get the job done. As a club DJ, you always had to worry if they were kept in good condition and half the time they weren't. They hummed too much for my taste, sometimes the balance was off no matter what you did with the counter balance, you prayed he needles were cool or the tone arm was cool...ect. I'd prefer to spin on some Stanton STR8-150s to be honest with you and this is after 20 years on Techs.

FunkyTown brought up a good point which many of you missed. His point is this. TTs are just another controller if you're using Serato and he's right. You may not like his statement but it's completely true. If denon or pioneer release a "no needle" turntable you're gonna tell me you wouldn't be all over it?

I rememeber watching a DJ contest at a club. Half of the "Vinyl" DJs actually manipulated the Vinyl while the other half pretty much did "button tricks" and may as well been using a controller because that's what it sounded like.

Back to FunkyTowns reply about "doing it for the money". I'd have to say your reply is "stupid". Just in case you missed my point, let me break it down to you O.G. style. I got into music because I love music, not because I wanted money, or women or whatever. If that's how you roll, that's how YOU roll.

I do, however, expect to be well compensated for what I do and I thought you'd realize this before you started rambling on about doing gigs for free. That was stupid.

Just in case you still don't get it.

Here's an example: A young man plays a sport (soccer(football), football, basketball, tennis, etc) If he truly loves the sport, he's not saying, "Wow, Imma make a lot of money doing this shit". He's just loves playing because of the spiritual connection he has with the sport. That's why most players and many Artists get Agents to handle that "Money Bullshit" when they become a commodity.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 1:16 PM - 13 October, 2015
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I believe you younger cats have a different view of Technics than I do. I used them back in 82 and kept using them until 2006. I'm going to tell you something. They're nothing great.

Perhaps when you use any other turntable, you'll finally realize how much better they are.
Funkytownstopsix 2:00 PM - 13 October, 2015
@ DJ Torchmusic LOL THEY DIDN"T MISS THE POINT about them using a CONTROLLER !!!!! They just didn't want to acknowledge it!!!! Thank you for pointing out the fact that when I meant old school I really did mean old-school. I don't understand how guys don't think they are using a controller and in the same words put them down. So let me be clear when I say old-school I mean non computer aided (ANALOG). If your doing that then you can bash all controllers freely because you are not using them. The main reason I looked to digital was I doing a gig on a party boat the wind kept blowing the records and needles off the turntables along with my slip mats that made me look for different options. I am a firm believer that if your a good dj it wont matter what you use if you rock it that 99% of the people wont care what you did it on,,, that 1% would be other dj's. I also believe that you need to be versatile and know where this art came from and see where it is going. I can use turntables non computer aided all the way to controller's, I know how to count my bpm's shit I know a lot mostly because I have an open mind and am a realist. If I was closed minded I would still be using just turntables and records...NO SERATO ya dig. I just don't agree with putting anyone down for what they use no matter how good are bad they are!!!! If you like turntables I love it, if you like controllers I love it, why you may ask because I didn't pay for them...

Now on the stupid comment OG DJ Torchmusic :) As an OG we will agree to disagree as OG's we can do that even though I don't think we are far off from our points... The statement was that it was not about the money when if fact it is and that was my point. I agree that you can take gigs for any price you want but what I don't see is someone doing it for free because the love music and love to share it ( UNLESS YOUR NEW TO THE GAME). Now I was trying to be funny while making my point and was not trying to offend anyone but any good dj knows his worth and will be compensated accordingly, if your doing gigs for free what is your worth?

My example:
As a dj you hear this all the time..... " well this dj said he would do it for this" . My reply" then use him because I am worth more than that you can call any reference and they will tell you I am well worth the price they might even tell you they should have paid more". So I am a little different in not yielding on the money thing don't' get me wrong I love music, I love the craft and I want to share my craft and love for music but it's about my worth as a dj and I am worth much more than free. Charity work excluded because we all should do charity every now and then. OG out.!!!!
Funkytownstopsix 2:26 PM - 13 October, 2015
FYI
Statement 1..

I was never in it "for the money". I was in it because I love music and music loves me. I'm fascinated by music and I love the way music makes me feel. I like the way it makes others feel and that's why I became a DJ. FYI
Statement 2
I do, however, expect to be well compensated for what I do and I thought you'd realize this before you started rambling on about doing gigs for free. That was stupid.

So you understand OG I am being funny right now..... these two don't match " It was never nor will it ever be "for the money". then you say "expect to be well compensated" ... you do know you are a little confusing or should I say contradictive.

Now being seriously how do you think the first statement would get any other type of reaction then what I gave. All that love I'm just saying OG,,,,, then you go hard like an OG and expect to be compensated... Trust me I understood you when you made the statement I just should have be as clearer in my statements so I wouldn't make stupid statements.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:56 PM - 13 October, 2015
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FunkyTown brought up a good point which many of you missed. His point is this. TTs are just another controller if you're using Serato and he's right. You may not like his statement but it's completely true. 


Sure and a Volkswagen beetle and a Lamborghini are both just cars....do you think that means you get the same "cool points" for driving them?
Funkytownstopsix 3:08 PM - 13 October, 2015
I think it's cool that you can get there by either means.... We are not talking about cars but we are talking about the delivery of music and if music is delivered in a Lamborghini or a Volkswgaen it's still delivered. Now that's cool don't you think.
Funkytownstopsix 3:10 PM - 13 October, 2015
FYI it didn't matter which car or how it was delivered as long as it was delivered people can't see how it was delivered and actually don't care they just want the end product the music... Ya dig.... Proclaimed OG out!!!
The Despicable Nyan Cat 3:34 PM - 13 October, 2015
GO away then! nm
Funkytownstopsix 3:43 PM - 13 October, 2015
lol....
Dj-M.Bezzle 5:31 PM - 13 October, 2015
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FYI it didn't matter which car or how it was delivered as long as it was delivered people can't see how it was delivered and actually don't care they just want the end product the music... Ya dig.... Proclaimed OG out!!!



Ok, so your saying Grandmaster Jay wearing a clown costume playing a jazzy jeff set on an ipod is just as cool as jazzy jeff playing the set live on turntables...interesting
DJTorchmusic 6:08 PM - 13 October, 2015
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FYI
Statement 1..

I was never in it "for the money". I was in it because I love music and music loves me. I'm fascinated by music and I love the way music makes me feel. I like the way it makes others feel and that's why I became a DJ. FYI
Statement 2
I do, however, expect to be well compensated for what I do and I thought you'd realize this before you started rambling on about doing gigs for free. That was stupid.

So you understand OG I am being funny right now..... these two don't match " It was never nor will it ever be "for the money". then you say "expect to be well compensated" ... you do know you are a little confusing or should I say contradictive.

Now being seriously how do you think the first statement would get any other type of reaction then what I gave. All that love I'm just saying OG,,,,, then you go hard like an OG and expect to be compensated... Trust me I understood you when you made the statement I just should have be as clearer in my statements so I wouldn't make stupid statements.


I'm glad you understood what I meant. Even though it may seem "contradictory" to some, most would understand.
DJ Matty Stiles 6:15 PM - 13 October, 2015
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FYI it didn't matter which car or how it was delivered as long as it was delivered people can't see how it was delivered and actually don't care they just want the end product the music... Ya dig.... Proclaimed OG out!!!



Ok, so your saying Grandmaster Jay wearing a clown costume playing a jazzy jeff set on an ipod is just as cool as jazzy jeff playing the set live on turntables...interesting


Don't forget BEAMZ 😂
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:55 PM - 13 October, 2015
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FYI it didn't matter which car or how it was delivered as long as it was delivered people can't see how it was delivered and actually don't care they just want the end product the music... Ya dig.... Proclaimed OG out!!!



Ok, so your saying Grandmaster Jay wearing a clown costume playing a jazzy jeff set on an ipod is just as cool as jazzy jeff playing the set live on turntables...interesting


Don't forget BEAMZ 😂



bingo! lol
Funkytownstopsix 8:05 PM - 13 October, 2015
Come on Bezz you know what I am saying do as you always do which is nothing new... You like to cloud statements and compare apples to oranges. Jazzy Jeff compared to you for example he being the apple you being the orange. Because you have turntables you want everyone to assume you are cool or cooler then the ones who don't..... yet are you cooler than Jazzy oh my bad just as cool? I think not he is paid for a specific skill set you can never compare a dmc dj to anything but a dmc dj if we are talking about scratching. Cut it out dude. I don't care what you use as long as you make money fudge all the 1% dj's ......You can live in the 1% club that think a piece of equipment defines you..... idiotic to say the least.

Jazzy is for sure entertaining to me and all those who use vinyl he has a special skill set but he is not entertaining to all. Some people hate scratching and that is fact. EDM knob turners and button pushers are entertaining to some and not others. In the END my point is Do you!!!!!!,,,,,, fudge what others think and hate on cause they are haters and for the most part haters who are using a controller!!!! LOL they are not saying nothing about that. IF YOU ARE USING SERATO WITH YOUR TRUNTABLES are using a controller.... talk about that BEZZEL lol with your better then everyone else ass.
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:24 PM - 13 October, 2015
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Come on Bezz you know what I am saying do as you always do which is nothing new... You like to cloud statements and compare apples to oranges. Jazzy Jeff compared to you for example he being the apple you being the orange. Because you have turntables you want everyone to assume you are cool or cooler then the ones who don't..... yet are you cooler than Jazzy oh my bad just as cool? I think not he is paid for a specific skill set you can never compare a dmc dj to anything but a dmc dj if we are talking about scratching. 


All of this is a mute point since Jazzy jeff, dmc champs, and myself...all use turntables....


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Cut it out dude. I don't care what you use as long as you make money fudge all the 1% dj's 



So then you are in support of Grand master jay, parris hilton, and djs who play pretecorded mixes....right ? After all they are all making more money than most


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You can live in the 1% club that think a piece of equipment defines you..... idiotic to say the least.


I agree that is idiotic, a piece of equipment shouldnt define you.....but it can make you look cooler


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IF YOU ARE USING SERATO WITH YOUR TRUNTABLES are using a controller.... talk about that BEZZEL lol 



Noone is arguing this. Now that that is clear we can get back to the subject. If its easier for you to call turntables a controller than we'll call them a controller.....a controller that looks cooler than all of the other controllers out there
Mr. Goodkat 10:10 PM - 13 October, 2015
moot not mute.

but bezz is right. hes not saying its worse, it just looks cooler.

a prius is a better car overall than say a 70 charger or 64 impala but its not a 'cooler' car.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 10:11 PM - 13 October, 2015
You remember the name of this thread?
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I agree that is idiotic, a piece of equipment shouldnt define you.....but it can make you look cooler
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:47 PM - 14 October, 2015
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moot not mute.

but bezz is right. hes not saying its worse, it just looks cooler.

a prius is a better car overall than say a 70 charger or 64 impala but its not a 'cooler' car.

Exactly
DJ'Que 3:53 PM - 14 October, 2015
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I believe you younger cats have a different view of Technics than I do. I used them back in 82 and kept using them until 2006. I'm going to tell you something. They're nothing great. Nastalgic, yes, but I just looked at them as some tool to get the job done. As a club DJ, you always had to worry if they were kept in good condition and half the time they weren't. They hummed too much for my taste, sometimes the balance was off no matter what you did with the counter balance, you prayed he needles were cool or the tone arm was cool...ect. I'd prefer to spin on some Stanton STR8-150s to be honest with you and this is after 20 years on Techs.

FunkyTown brought up a good point which many of you missed. His point is this. TTs are just another controller if you're using Serato and he's right. You may not like his statement but it's completely true. If denon or pioneer release a "no needle" turntable you're gonna tell me you wouldn't be all over it?

I rememeber watching a DJ contest at a club. Half of the "Vinyl" DJs actually manipulated the Vinyl while the other half pretty much did "button tricks" and may as well been using a controller because that's what it sounded like.

Back to FunkyTowns reply about "doing it for the money". I'd have to say your reply is "stupid". Just in case you missed my point, let me break it down to you O.G. style. I got into music because I love music, not because I wanted money, or women or whatever. If that's how you roll, that's how YOU roll.

I do, however, expect to be well compensated for what I do and I thought you'd realize this before you started rambling on about doing gigs for free. That was stupid.

Just in case you still don't get it.

Here's an example: A young man plays a sport (soccer(football), football, basketball, tennis, etc) If he truly loves the sport, he's not saying, "Wow, Imma make a lot of money doing this shit". He's just loves playing because of the spiritual connection he has with the sport. That's why most players and many Artists get Agents to handle that "Money Bullshit" when they become a commodity.
I though every dj brought there own 12's to dj. I know I did
 6 4:28 PM - 14 October, 2015
I prefer to bring my tables to most club gigs because you never know what condition the in-house equipment will be in. The only exception is when I check out the venue before hand or when it becomes a residency and you're pretty much the only one using the equipment or know everyone else who is as well.

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Funkytownstopsix 7:49 PM - 14 October, 2015
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I agree that is idiotic, a piece of equipment shouldnt define you.....but it can make you look cooler


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IF YOU ARE USING SERATO WITH YOUR TRUNTABLES are using a controller.... talk about that BEZZEL lol&nbsp;



Noone is arguing this. Now that that is clear we can get back to the subject. If its easier for you to call turntables a controller than we'll call them a controller.....a controller that looks cooler than all of the other controllers out there


Finally then my rant is over.... I think,,,,, but I need a definitive answer that your turntables are controllers not just because it's easy for me but because it's fact.... I agree turntables are the coolest looking controllers at least to me I am sure not to everyone though.
Dj-M.Bezzle 7:54 PM - 14 October, 2015
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I agree that is idiotic, a piece of equipment shouldnt define you.....but it can make you look cooler


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IF YOU ARE USING SERATO WITH YOUR TRUNTABLES are using a controller.... talk about that BEZZEL lol&nbsp;



Noone is arguing this. Now that that is clear we can get back to the subject. If its easier for you to call turntables a controller than we'll call them a controller.....a controller that looks cooler than all of the other controllers out there


Finally then my rant is over.... I think,,,,, but I need a definitive answer that your turntables are controllers not just because it's easy for me but because it's fact.... I agree turntables are the coolest looking controllers at least to me I am sure not to everyone though.


Sure, ive never said they werent controllers...theyre just better, cooler, more professional controllers. I have no problem with the word, what i have is a grown ass man on a stage hunched over a tiny piece of plastic looking like hes trying to figure out what the cow says and trying to manipulatea digital signal with the least accurate tool (from a mathematical standpoint)
 6 8:10 PM - 14 October, 2015
A turntable can be a controller but a controller can't be a turntable. That tells you which one is cooler and more useful.

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d:raf 9:10 PM - 14 October, 2015
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man this question is so silly, should never have been asked.

1. Customized turntables (7"-10" modified techs, "pimped out" techs, gold 1200's, etc.)
2. "Normal" 12" vinyl turntable control (Tech 1200's, Reloop RP-8000's, Stanton Str8 150's, etc.)
3. Large CDJ with spinning platter (Denon S-3500/S-5000/S-3900/etc.)
4. Large CDJ with static platter (Pioneer CDJ series)
5. Large Mixer-dependant controllers with spinning platters (Numark V7, Stanton SCS1d)
6. Large Mixer-dependant controllers with static platters (that weird orange & grey one whose name/manufacturer I can't remember)
7. Large all-in-one controller with spinning platters (Numark NS7, NS7II)
8. Large all-in-one controller with static platters (Pioneer DDJ-SZ, DDJ-SX)
9. Medium all-in-one 4-channel controllers (Traktor Kontrol S4/S8, Numark NV, Reloop Terminal Mix 8, Allen & Heath Xone DX, etc.)
10. Small all-in-one 2 channel controllers with pads (Numark Mixtrack series, Pioneer DDJ-SB, etc.)
11. Akai APC series
12. Ipad/Ipod based all-in-one 2-channel controllers (Numark IDJ series, Reloop Beatpad series, etc.)
13. Tiny entry-level all-in-one controllers (Vestax Typhoon, Hercules Instinct, etc.)
14. Laptop by itself (Mac)
15. Laptop by itself (PC)
16. Ipad by itself
17. Ipod/Iphone by itself
18. This thing: www.instructables.com

End of thread


Unabridged edition.
DJTorchmusic 9:42 PM - 14 October, 2015
I love the way Turntables look, but let's face it, for MANY gigs they are not the "practical" choice (too big too heavy). The Denon SC3900 are on the right track but look way too "plastic"(what were they thinking). There was that Technics CDJ made back in day but it operated horribly. It looks just like a "mini 1200", now that was cool. Numark V7s are the closest but they needed to make V10s (10 inch platters).

There is one controller that could've been the shit, but didn't quite make it. The Numark CDX/HDX they are essentially turntables without the tone arm but they just were not made good enough. To this day, I'm still surprised no one took a second stab at it. Stanton had their 10 version but the tech used on them was like from the 90's and again too "plastic" looking.

For the record Technics 1200s have been out performed, built and designed. I know they are a cult favorite but c'mon. Most of the new TTS are deigned better, have better components, strong motor and some even look better. Here are three I like better.

1. Reloop 7000
2. Pioneer TT
3. Stanton STR8 150

All cool looking but all too heavy for my taste/back. However, If I knew the promoter/manager of the club would be impressed by me spinning on TTs, by all means it's gonna go down. Otherwise it's probably gonna be a controller unless I'm in a nostalgic mood or wanna get my "workout on".

About CDJs ... Not worth it... I can't think of one thing they do better than a DDJ SZ except empty your pockets faster. I have to say I do like that new Pioneer redbox player but it's still a "CDJ"however, I'd strongly consider it if I wanted a better mixer than what the DDJ-SZ has to offer.

Here's a list of clubs I played and my reasons why I'm not totally feeling 1200s like others do.

1. Ruthies Inn (82-85) - They hummed, the counterbalance on was was "finicky .
2. Uppies by the Bay (82-86) - They worked of for the most part but one had a much stronger motor.
3. The GQ Club 83-86 - Only one worked, the other had a channel out.
4. Phase III 83-86 - Impeccable Technics but they weren't 1200s, they were the ones with the digital readout.
5. Toons (2000-2002) Hummed but were ok
6. Club Upscale - 90s Not a problem , perfect
7. Cafe Echelon - 90s Not a problem , perfect

I only listed the above just in case someone wanted to go into a "1200 MKII are the best TTs in the world "rant.
Mr. Goodkat 10:53 PM - 14 October, 2015
just because people break techs doesnt mean they aren't the best.

the whole turntable design is clearly not meant for club use and was only implemented due to the fact that they were the most reliable, readily available and cheapest cost along with large amounts of media to manipulate media in terms of pitch control.

i always wondered why that no one took that numark design either. i always heard they were fine for about 2 years then they died. but it was a cool design on so many levels.

this should be serato's sole hardware manufacture. would be a game changer.
Taipanic 1:58 PM - 15 October, 2015
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I love the way Turntables look, but let's face it, for MANY gigs they are not the "practical" choice (too big too heavy). The Denon SC3900 are on the right track but look way too "plastic"(what were they thinking). There was that Technics CDJ made back in day but it operated horribly. It looks just like a "mini 1200", now that was cool. Numark V7s are the closest but they needed to make V10s (10 inch platters).

There is one controller that could've been the shit, but didn't quite make it. The Numark CDX/HDX they are essentially turntables without the tone arm but they just were not made good enough. To this day, I'm still surprised no one took a second stab at it. Stanton had their 10 version but the tech used on them was like from the 90's and again too "plastic" looking.

For the record Technics 1200s have been out performed, built and designed. I know they are a cult favorite but c'mon. Most of the new TTS are deigned better, have better components, strong motor and some even look better. Here are three I like better.

1. Reloop 7000
2. Pioneer TT
3. Stanton STR8 150

All cool looking but all too heavy for my taste/back. However, If I knew the promoter/manager of the club would be impressed by me spinning on TTs, by all means it's gonna go down. Otherwise it's probably gonna be a controller unless I'm in a nostalgic mood or wanna get my "workout on".

About CDJs ... Not worth it... I can't think of one thing they do better than a DDJ SZ except empty your pockets faster. I have to say I do like that new Pioneer redbox player but it's still a "CDJ"however, I'd strongly consider it if I wanted a better mixer than what the DDJ-SZ has to offer.

Here's a list of clubs I played and my reasons why I'm not totally feeling 1200s like others do.

1. Ruthies Inn (82-85) - They hummed, the counterbalance on was was "finicky .
2. Uppies by the Bay (82-86) - They worked of for the most part but one had a much stronger motor.
3. The GQ Club 83-86 - Only one worked, the other had a channel out.
4. Phase III 83-86 - Impeccable Technics but they weren't 1200s, they were the ones with the digital readout.
5. Toons (2000-2002) Hummed but were ok
6. Club Upscale - 90s Not a problem , perfect
7. Cafe Echelon - 90s Not a problem , perfect

I only listed the above just in case someone wanted to go into a "1200 MKII are the best TTs in the world "rant.


Now you're just getting ridiculous. Saying Technics aren't quality because 4 of the 6 clubs you worked had issues with them. They were probably already already 5+ years old and obviously used and abused by anyone they threw in the booth. There are literally tens of thousands of the 1200 series turntables that have worked flawlessly for years, even decades without issue. Of course there will issues with some, there are always lemons but for the most part they are rock solid, unless abused.
I would also say that the Reloop, Pioneer, & Stanton turntables are not significantly better than the Technics M5G - even with a decade of advancements in production & electronics. If your a serious turntablist a higher torque motor is beneficial, better wow & flutter will not be noticed by most, same with a higher audio quality pickups & electronics - some new buyers of TTs may not even play actual vinyl on them.
The Despicable Nyan Cat 2:58 PM - 15 October, 2015
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man this question is so silly, should never have been asked.

1. Customized turntables (7"-10" modified techs, "pimped out" techs, gold 1200's, etc.)
2. "Normal" 12" vinyl turntable control (Tech 1200's, Reloop RP-8000's, Stanton Str8 150's, etc.)
3. Large CDJ with spinning platter (Denon S-3500/S-5000/S-3900/etc.)
4. Large CDJ with static platter (Pioneer CDJ series)
5. Large Mixer-dependant controllers with spinning platters (Numark V7, Stanton SCS1d)
6. Large Mixer-dependant controllers with static platters (that weird orange & grey one whose name/manufacturer I can't remember)
7. Large all-in-one controller with spinning platters (Numark NS7, NS7II)
8. Large all-in-one controller with static platters (Pioneer DDJ-SZ, DDJ-SX)
9. Medium all-in-one 4-channel controllers (Traktor Kontrol S4/S8, Numark NV, Reloop Terminal Mix 8, Allen & Heath Xone DX, etc.)
10. Small all-in-one 2 channel controllers with pads (Numark Mixtrack series, Pioneer DDJ-SB, etc.)
11. Akai APC series
12. Ipad/Ipod based all-in-one 2-channel controllers (Numark IDJ series, Reloop Beatpad series, etc.)
13. Tiny entry-level all-in-one controllers (Vestax Typhoon, Hercules Instinct, etc.)
14. Laptop by itself (Mac)
15. Laptop by itself (PC)
16. Ipad by itself
17. Ipod/Iphone by itself
18. This thing: www.instructables.com

End of thread


Unabridged edition.

I think creating your own controller (even tho it's a controller) should rank a little higher on the list than just playing the music off your fucking phone.

1. Play music off your phone.
2. Gf calls and makes dirty comments about your [micro]penis
3. Gf orgasms over the line
4. You lose your job.
See?
d:raf 3:49 PM - 15 October, 2015
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I think creating your own controller (even tho it's a controller) should rank a little higher on the list than just playing the music off your fucking phone.

1. Play music off your phone.
2. Gf calls and makes dirty comments about your [micro]penis
3. Gf orgasms over the line
4. You lose your job.
See?


Real DJ's use Airplane Mode.

Also, disclaimer; the positions on this list are based on initial perception only (as "coolness" is a concept based entirely on perception). If someone walks up with a controller made from cardboard and kills it, they'll rise on the list.
Funkytownstopsix 3:59 PM - 15 October, 2015
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A turntable can be a controller but a controller can't be a turntable. That tells you which one is cooler and more useful.

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Stupid...!!!! You gonna lose your bragging rights for life card!!!! More useful how? If your not using a laptop how useful can a turntable actually be other than looking cool? Since I been in the dj biz for over 30 years I know when using just turntables there's only so much you can do.... Now with serato (YOUR CONTORLLER SOFTWARE) It opens doors for a turntable to be able to do many things other than scratch.... The biggest not having to carry milk crates, not having to buy doubles and IMO cue points, I come from the oldschool I don't need to see BPM's and I have no need for sync that means nothing to me but you get all of that as a controller. I have to admit I tried the sync on the DDJSX2 for four songs at once and that was pretty damn sweet........ YET If it's so cool(turntables) than do it the way it was intended with just records and get off the controller kick completely since they are not cool....
Dj-M.Bezzle 4:25 PM - 15 October, 2015
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A turntable can be a controller but a controller can't be a turntable. That tells you which one is cooler and more useful.

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Bragging rights for life bitch! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
serato.com

nm

Stupid...!!!! You gonna lose your bragging rights for life card!!!! More useful how? If your not using a laptop how useful can a turntable actually be other than looking cool? .


UMMMM if your not using a laptop a turntable can play records. On the flip side if your not using a laptop a controller cant do anything....which makes turntables more useful
Funkytownstopsix 4:56 PM - 15 October, 2015
Bezzle starting today just your records only as it was intended by the greats.... then get back to me in a few weeks... lol Bezzle being Bezzle I should expect nothing less....
Dj-M.Bezzle 6:47 PM - 15 October, 2015
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Bezzle starting today just your records only as it was intended by the greats.... then get back to me in a few weeks... lol Bezzle being Bezzle I should expect nothing less....



Where did I say anywhere near that?
DJTorchmusic 7:26 PM - 15 October, 2015
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just because people break techs doesnt mean they aren't the best.

the whole turntable design is clearly not meant for club use and was only implemented due to the fact that they were the most reliable, readily available and cheapest cost along with large amounts of media to manipulate media in terms of pitch control.

i always wondered why that no one took that numark design either. i always heard they were fine for about 2 years then they died. but it was a cool design on so many levels.

this should be serato's sole hardware manufacture. would be a game changer.


Yeah, the CDX/HDX were slightly "laggy" which for what their ultimate purpose was (scratching and shit), made them almost useless.
Funkytownstopsix 8:06 PM - 15 October, 2015
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Bezzle starting today just your records only as it was intended by the greats.... then get back to me in a few weeks... lol Bezzle being Bezzle I should expect nothing less....



Where did I say anywhere near that?

You didn't say I did......
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:08 PM - 15 October, 2015
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Bezzle starting today just your records only as it was intended by the greats.... then get back to me in a few weeks... lol Bezzle being Bezzle I should expect nothing less....



Where did I say anywhere near that?

You didn't say I did......

Correct, and you missed the point
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:11 PM - 15 October, 2015
Heres another thing to keep in mind when discussing what gear gives "cool" points. People who thought turntables were cool in the 70s, 80s, 90s, ect still think those same turntables are cool. The people who think the dds-fisherprice are cool now will laugh at it in 3 years when the mk8 is released with its purple paint job, smiley face button, and mind control and its no longer compatible with any of the current software
The Despicable Nyan Cat 8:28 PM - 15 October, 2015
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dds-fisherprice

Cheers
DJTorchmusic 9:25 PM - 15 October, 2015
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Heres another thing to keep in mind when discussing what gear gives "cool" points. People who thought turntables were cool in the 70s, 80s, 90s, ect still think those same turntables are cool. The people who think the dds-fisherprice are cool now will laugh at it in 3 years when the mk8 is released with its purple paint job, smiley face button, and mind control and its no longer compatible with any of the current software


Actually, you're wrong. We didn't think they were cool back then. It's was just a means to an end. Like a carpenter and his hammer. We're not looking at our gear saying, "Wow, this is cool". When you brush your teeth, do you stare at your toothbrush and say, "Wow, this is a cool toothbrush"? Probably not. It's the younger cats who have this "Technics Worship" thing going' on. However, there are many younger cats that manage/promote clubs and many of them don't really know what they're doing. So, that's why I brought up the question over a year ago. I prefer CDjs but if spinning on "Technics" will get me a lot more opportunities, so be it. I don't care.

Your point about controllers is also a bit biased. I can't think of one controller that is now obsolete with the newest DVS software. Like I've stated before, no one is going to tell the difference between 2 CDJs and a DJM 900 nexus vs a DDJ-SZ with the exception is one needs a big ass coffin and the other literally fits in a guitar case. Now, if we talking a DDJ -SB or those "toy like" controllers, that's different but I never mentioned those being an option.
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:52 PM - 15 October, 2015
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Actually, you're wrong. We didn't think they were cool back then. It's was just a means to an end. Like a carpenter and his hammer. We're not looking at our gear saying, "Wow, this is cool".


No, im definitely not wrong here because there were tons of people sticking with vinyl when cassessettes came out and there was endless bitching when the original cdj versions came out fron guys who loved their techs. Just because YOU didnt think they were cool (damn sure not cool enough to own a pair from the sound of tou bitching about everyone elses broke shit) dosent mean noone else did.

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When you brush your teeth, do you stare at your toothbrush and say, "Wow, this is a cool toothbrush"? Probably not


My toothbrush eliminates plaque via the UV and soundwave technology,has 3 modes, and holds a single charge for 6 weeks....its cool as shit.



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I can't think of one controller that is now obsolete with the newest DVS software


Crazy talk, almost everytime a new controller comes out it offers features the previous gen didnt offer
DJTorchmusic 11:41 PM - 15 October, 2015
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Actually, you're wrong. We didn't think they were cool back then. It's was just a means to an end. Like a carpenter and his hammer. We're not looking at our gear saying, "Wow, this is cool".


No, im definitely not wrong here because there were tons of people sticking with vinyl when cassessettes came out and there was endless bitching when the original cdj versions came out fron guys who loved their techs. Just because YOU didnt think they were cool (damn sure not cool enough to own a pair from the sound of tou bitching about everyone elses broke shit) dosent mean noone else did.

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When you brush your teeth, do you stare at your toothbrush and say, "Wow, this is a cool toothbrush"? Probably not


My toothbrush eliminates plaque via the UV and soundwave technology,has 3 modes, and holds a single charge for 6 weeks....its cool as shit.



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I can't think of one controller that is now obsolete with the newest DVS software


Crazy talk, almost everytime a new controller comes out it offers features the previous gen didnt offer


Bez,

Why do you always argue for the sake of arguing? You're not making any sense anymore. You're not right, you're just choosing your own comments to support. The "Toothbrush Analogy" was made to express a point of view on how we Pros thought about Technics back then. Who the funk cares what type of toothbrush you have? Just because someone releases some "new shit" doesn't mean the older version is obsolete and if that was the case, Turntables are INCLUDED! Reloop has a stronger motor, built in buttons, better design, less hum, etc. So, that would make the 1200 MKII Obsolete, however, it's not is it (I'm not asking you)?

And don't you funkin put words in my mouth either. I never said Technics were not "cool" what I said is they're no longer the best and in many ways they are MORE obsolete than many of those controllers and you say are obsolete, compared to their newer version (example numark NS7 II vs NS7 III).

ob·so·lete
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1.
no longer produced or used; out of date.

I saw a DJ rocking the house with a Numark NS7 the other night. Seemed fine to me.


NuFF Said

(But, I'm sure you'll come up with some other argument).
Funkytownstopsix 12:40 PM - 16 October, 2015
^^^^^^This.... you got Bezzle pegged likes to argue for the sake of it. Turntables are slowly going to the way side and all this controller talk is proving it, not only that a new generation of dj's who could care less what others think is cool are also moving away from turntables and running towards controllers. Even your best DJ's in the world are no longer using records as they were intended and they embraced controller software so how can you not say it's cool when you use the same technology why put it down when you too use a controller. It's like Bezzle telling me he is gay but I can't call him gay..... Every thing has it's time,, it' cool to have the classics if you were putting like that I have nothing to say but to put people down because they don't choose to be like you well that requires a comment especially when your using the same technology that you are putting down.
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:46 PM - 16 October, 2015
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Why do you always argue for the sake of arguing?


Ummm because you're wrong?

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You're not right, you're just choosing your own comments to support. 


....thats how a debate works...What, you think i should try to support YOUR comments?



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The "Toothbrush Analogy" was made to express a point of view on how we Pros thought about Technics back then. Who the funk cares what type of toothbrush you have? 


Sure, and my reply was to express a point of view that your opinion is inaccurate. Clearly you care because you asked...


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Reloop has a stronger motor, built in buttons, better design, less hum, etc. So, that would make the 1200 MKII Obsolete, however, it's not is it


Reloops are dope as shit but they still dont have the lifespan that techs have. My buddy uses em and hes already had to send them back for repairs 4 times.. All thats besides the point because tech or reloop....theyre both turntables.



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And don't you funkin put words in my mouth either. I never said Technics were not "cool" what I said is they're no longer the best and in many ways they are MORE obsolete than many of those controllers and you say are obsolete, compared to their newer version (example numark NS7 II vs NS7 III).


None of which matters becaue the topic at hand is cool points
Dj-M.Bezzle 3:57 PM - 16 October, 2015
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Turntables are slowly going to the way side and all this controller talk is proving it, not only that a new generation of dj's who could care less what others think is cool are also moving away from turntables and running towards controllers.


You make the perfect point here. These new djs DONT CARE WHAT LOOKS COOL SO THE BUY CONTROLLERS (because they are easier). That right there shows you which is cooler.

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Even your best DJ's in the world are no longer using records as they were intended and they embraced controller software so how can you not say it's cool when you use the same technology

Because the "same technology" im using....are turntables. Dosent matter if your using them as controllers or not...they are still turntables.


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why put it down when you too use a controller. It's like Bezzle telling me he is gay but I can't call him gay..... Every thing has it's time,, it' cool to have the classics if you were putting like that I have nothing to say but to put people down because they don't choose to be like you well that requires a comment especially when your using the same technology that you are putting down.


This is becoming my #1 problem with controller users. Your so self conscious and emotional about your decession to use controllers. Im not putting anyone down, im simply answering the question of which is cooler...which is turntables. To use your gay example controller users are like a closeted gay guy.

Controller user: Dude theres nothing wrong with other people being gay. Im all for gay marriage, it dosent effect me at all.

Turntable guy: Ya cool whatever. Dude look at that hot chick right there, her ass is BANGIN

Controller user: IM NOT GAAAAAYYY!!!
Funkytownstopsix 4:18 PM - 16 October, 2015
Not saying anyone is gay and if you are I could care less it was just an example.

Turntable guy: I don't like controller's but I am going to use their technology and still say I am cooler.

Controller guy: Whatever gets the job done.

Since I use turntables,cdj's and controllers it's hard to be self conscious about using anything. I don't always agree with your vision on turntable's but hey I don't have to,, you got from here Bezzle. Turntables are cooler controllers if your using software if your not and going straight analog flipping records than that's even cooler. IMO
 6 4:43 PM - 16 October, 2015
The technics turntable can't be obsolete if it's been used by many many many people still.

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Funkytownstopsix 5:00 PM - 16 October, 2015
obsolete hell no,,,,, I said slowly fading. I have the black 1210's technics. Simply put we have moved with the times and the times will move past turntables... It will happen.
RonDu 5:16 PM - 16 October, 2015
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Now, if we talking a DDJ -SB or those "toy like" controllers, that's different but I never mentioned those being an option.


Hey, lay off the SB! Although it is rarely used it is a good tool to have with a powered speaker for spur o the moment and insta-gigs!
deezlee 6:33 PM - 16 October, 2015
so having no interest in records is cool these days.
nice. more for me.
 6 7:04 PM - 16 October, 2015
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obsolete hell no,,,,, I said slowly fading. I have the black 1210's technics. Simply put we have moved with the times and the times will move past turntables... It will happen.


Negative. Technics are not being made if that's what you mean about slowly fading but the fact that new tables are being introduced tells you there is a demand for them.

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 6 7:05 PM - 16 October, 2015
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Now, if we talking a DDJ -SB or those "toy like" controllers, that's different but I never mentioned those being an option.


Hey, lay off the SB! Although it is rarely used it is a good tool to have with a powered speaker for spur o the moment and insta-gigs!


So is my phone or iPad and Pyro. lol

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Funkytownstopsix 7:58 PM - 16 October, 2015
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so having no interest in records is cool these days.
nice. more for me.

Good to see someone who uses records these days it hard to find guys that do.... unless it's a time code record... : )
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:02 PM - 16 October, 2015
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so having no interest in records is cool these days.
nice. more for me.

Good to see someone who uses records these days it hard to find guys that do.... unless it's a time code record... : )



If turntables arw slightly fading away why are sales of actual vinyl on the rise?
Funkytownstopsix 8:02 PM - 16 October, 2015
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obsolete hell no,,,,, I said slowly fading. I have the black 1210's technics. Simply put we have moved with the times and the times will move past turntables... It will happen.


Negative. Technics are not being made if that's what you mean about slowly fading but the fact that new tables are being introduced tells you there is a demand for them.

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I think there will always be a demand just not as big due to controller's. It's like every since digital media/streaming media/downloadable content came out you see less and less CD's even though there is still demand they are slowly going away. Say 6 do you recommend any of these new turntables. I would like to try some out if not buy a pair.
Funkytownstopsix 8:04 PM - 16 October, 2015
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so having no interest in records is cool these days.
nice. more for me.

Good to see someone who uses records these days it hard to find guys that do.... unless it's a time code record... : )



If turntables arw slightly fading away why are sales of actual vinyl on the rise?

source/proof
Dj-M.Bezzle 8:05 PM - 16 October, 2015
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so having no interest in records is cool these days.
nice. more for me.

Good to see someone who uses records these days it hard to find guys that do.... unless it's a time code record... : )



If turntables arw slightly fading away why are sales of actual vinyl on the rise?

source/proof


www.digitaltrends.com
Taipanic 8:37 PM - 16 October, 2015
Turntable/record use is rising in the consumer market. It is declining in the DJ market as new controllers allow more creativity with added features and up and coming DJs have never played on vinyl and don't see the need to. I enjoy playing on vinyl, it has its own skills & nuances but I mostly use my DDJ-SZ these days, unless I'm playing real vinyl. Up until the 2K, turntables weren't particularly looked at as cool, just as the tool you used to mix most of your music. today, TT use in DJing is a choice, not necessity. It's another skill to master and many up and comers don't see the benefit of putting the effort forth to learn that skill - especially when controllers make it sooo easy to pick up the basics of DJing. Turntables will usually make the average DJ look cooler because you have to do more - people see you cueing records, cleaning needles, dropping it on the track, etc... Basic controller operation is pushing a few buttons (same goes for CDJs too). Put someone like a Shiftee or Enferno on some controllers and watch them work it peeps will be super impressed and think that is way cooler than me blending records.
But really, other than DJs and a few dedicated music fans, no one really cares...
Mr. Goodkat 9:38 PM - 16 October, 2015
vinyl is the baseball cards of its day. this increase will be all but over by 2025.
 6 9:45 PM - 16 October, 2015
Here we go again with creativity and controllers. Hahahaha

That. Has been. Proven. To. Be. A. Bunch. Of. Bullshit.

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Dj-M.Bezzle 9:49 PM - 16 October, 2015
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Turntable/record use is rising in the consumer market. It is declining in the DJ market as new controllers allow more creativity with added features.


source/proof?

Also, once again, i will remind you that this thread isnt called "what gets the most reliable points" or "how many points does it take to get the job done" it is what gets you more "cool points"


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Turntables will usually make the average DJ look cooler because you have to do more -


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Dj-M.Bezzle 9:50 PM - 16 October, 2015
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Here we go again with creativity and controllers. Hahahaha

That. Has been. Proven. To. Be. A. Bunch. Of. Bullshit.

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Dj-M.Bezzle 9:55 PM - 16 October, 2015
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Turntable/record use is rising in the consumer market. It is declining in the DJ market as new controllers allow more creativity with added features and up and coming DJs have never played on vinyl and don't see the need to.


Also, on this, all bullshit aside. I can honestly say that in my market I now 50+ djs who use controllers and about 5 that use turntables. On the flip side, and im being dead serious, you can typically see about 10 to 15 of the 50+ all playing on the same night at some once a month bullshit event playing for the monetary compensation of a high five white the 5 that use turntables can be seen every Thursday through saturday and they are making actual money
 6 10:05 PM - 16 October, 2015
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Turntable/record use is rising in the consumer market. It is declining in the DJ market as new controllers allow more creativity with added features and up and coming DJs have never played on vinyl and don't see the need to.


Also, on this, all bullshit aside. I can honestly say that in my market I now 50+ djs who use controllers and about 5 that use turntables. On the flip side, and im being dead serious, you can typically see about 10 to 15 of the 50+ all playing on the same night at some once a month bullshit event playing for the monetary compensation of a high five white the 5 that use turntables can be seen every Thursday through saturday and they are making actual money


Interesting. Btw, those DJ's that play the same night (and you see those flyers) always make me lol.

Like 10 min "sets". lol

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Joshua Carl 4:39 PM - 17 October, 2015
At the same time.
2 of the upper tier dj companies released a 1/2 dozen new turntables over the last 2 years.

Obviously to fill the void by technics finally calling it quits.

I don't understand why people have to have everything so definitive? So absolut.
People talk about exceptions like they are standard practice.
Dj technology progresses at the speed of smart phones, just look at the last 5 years alone.

But just because you want that new Tesla does not mean you Shelby Cobra ain't worth a damn anymore, why not have both of you can.

I'd love to sit here and exclaim that turntables in the dj market are making a massive comeback, in my market that wouldn't be true.
I can't speak for the planet
(Although obviously people have been appointed by the DJs of the world commits to speak on their behalf in their absence on the SeRato forum)

Around most of the DVS users who are into electronic music of some sort abandoned turntables nearly exclusively.
A step further many have gone to Thumb drives.

The open format, have hard-drive will travel,less than seasoned dj are the ones that have mostly jumped to controllers, along with a fair amount of rap/hip hop DJs

Turntables are obviously the order of the day in the scratch dj/turntablists circles up here.
And a fair amount of, for lack of better terms, what I call "performance DJs" are mostly on turntables with a few solid guys on cdjs
But probably own a controller for convince gigs.

But trying to draw a definitive, no argument, this is a branded fact in a game this big is just a waste of time. Why bother
Funkytownstopsix 3:01 AM - 18 October, 2015
agreed^^^^^^^^
d:raf 3:39 AM - 18 October, 2015
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But trying to draw a definitive, no argument, this is a branded fact in a game this big is just a waste of time. Why bother


Because people NEED to know, understand and pontificate upon how much cooler they are than others, dammit.

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DJ Matty Stiles 5:15 PM - 20 October, 2015
I'm feeding myself to the wolves here but I do detect a hint of a Freudian kind of inferiority complex coming from insecure controller owners
DJTorchmusic 8:09 PM - 20 October, 2015
I just saw an article that stated Panasonic was going to re-release the Technics turntable. But, I don't see why they should. There are so many other companies who have surpassed their design. 1200s are not obsolete but they wouldn't be the first TTs I'd choose.
DJTorchmusic 8:11 PM - 20 October, 2015
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Turntables are slowly going to the way side and all this controller talk is proving it, not only that a new generation of dj's who could care less what others think is cool are also moving away from turntables and running towards controllers.


You make the perfect point here. These new djs DONT CARE WHAT LOOKS COOL SO THE BUY CONTROLLERS (because they are easier). That right there shows you which is cooler.

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Even your best DJ's in the world are no longer using records as they were intended and they embraced controller software so how can you not say it's cool when you use the same technology

Because the "same technology" im using....are turntables. Dosent matter if your using them as controllers or not...they are still turntables.


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why put it down when you too use a controller. It's like Bezzle telling me he is gay but I can't call him gay..... Every thing has it's time,, it' cool to have the classics if you were putting like that I have nothing to say but to put people down because they don't choose to be like you well that requires a comment especially when your using the same technology that you are putting down.


This is becoming my #1 problem with controller users. Your so self conscious and emotional about your decession to use controllers. Im not putting anyone down, im simply answering the question of which is cooler...which is turntables. To use your gay example controller users are like a closeted gay guy.

Controller user: Dude theres nothing wrong with other people being gay. Im all for gay marriage, it dosent effect me at all.

Turntable guy: Ya cool whatever. Dude look at that hot chick right there, her ass is BANGIN

Controller user: IM NOT GAAAAAYYY!!!


LOL!!! He's doing the same thing again!

Bez, by the way, what is this fixation you have with "Gayness"?
Dj-M.Bezzle 9:04 PM - 20 October, 2015
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Turntables are slowly going to the way side and all this controller talk is proving it, not only that a new generation of dj's who could care less what others think is cool are also moving away from turntables and running towards controllers.


You make the perfect point here. These new djs DONT CARE WHAT LOOKS COOL SO THE BUY CONTROLLERS (because they are easier). That right there shows you which is cooler.

Quote:
Even your best DJ's in the world are no longer using records as they were intended and they embraced controller software so how can you not say it's cool when you use the same technology

Because the "same technology" im using....are turntables. Dosent matter if your using them as controllers or not...they are still turntables.


Quote:
why put it down when you too use a controller. It's like Bezzle telling me he is gay but I can't call him gay..... Every thing has it's time,, it' cool to have the classics if you were putting like that I have nothing to say but to put people down because they don't choose to be like you well that requires a comment especially when your using the same technology that you are putting down.


This is becoming my #1 problem with controller users. Your so self conscious and emotional about your decession to use controllers. Im not putting anyone down, im simply answering the question of which is cooler...which is turntables. To use your gay example controller users are like a closeted gay guy.

Controller user: Dude theres nothing wrong with other people being gay. Im all for gay marriage, it dosent effect me at all.

Turntable guy: Ya cool whatever. Dude look at that hot chick right there, her ass is BANGIN

Controller user: IM NOT GAAAAAYYY!!!


LOL!!! He's doing the same thing again!

Bez, by the way, what is this fixation you have with "Gayness"?



By "fixation" do you mean me responding to someone elses comment about being gay? Or the fact that there are a multitude of parallels between the comfort level of a dj on a controller and a closeted gay person?
DJTorchmusic 12:13 AM - 23 October, 2015
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Turntables are slowly going to the way side and all this controller talk is proving it, not only that a new generation of dj's who could care less what others think is cool are also moving away from turntables and running towards controllers.


You make the perfect point here. These new djs DONT CARE WHAT LOOKS COOL SO THE BUY CONTROLLERS (because they are easier). That right there shows you which is cooler.

Quote:
Even your best DJ's in the world are no longer using records as they were intended and they embraced controller software so how can you not say it's cool when you use the same technology

Because the "same technology" im using....are turntables. Dosent matter if your using them as controllers or not...they are still turntables.


Quote:
why put it down when you too use a controller. It's like Bezzle telling me he is gay but I can't call him gay..... Every thing has it's time,, it' cool to have the classics if you were putting like that I have nothing to say but to put people down because they don't choose to be like you well that requires a comment especially when your using the same technology that you are putting down.


This is becoming my #1 problem with controller users. Your so self conscious and emotional about your decession to use controllers. Im not putting anyone down, im simply answering the question of which is cooler...which is turntables. To use your gay example controller users are like a closeted gay guy.

Controller user: Dude theres nothing wrong with other people being gay. Im all for gay marriage, it dosent effect me at all.

Turntable guy: Ya cool whatever. Dude look at that hot chick right there, her ass is BANGIN

Controller user: IM NOT GAAAAAYYY!!!


LOL!!! He's doing the same thing again!

Bez, by the way, what is this fixation you have with "Gayness"?



By "fixation" do you mean me responding to someone elses comment about being gay? Or the fact that there are a multitude of parallels between the comfort level of a dj on a controller and a closeted gay person?


Bez,

Let me put it like this. When I describe shit, I don't use the word "Gay". You've written the word "Gay" more times in this thread than I have all year. Dude, You fixated for one reason or the other.
DJTorchmusic 12:20 AM - 23 October, 2015
Since you on "Gay" shit...let me remind you.

1. One of the best R&B singers in the world (Luther Vandross) GAY
2. The Man who save England from be defeated by the Nazi's by breaking their code GAY
3. If you wear stylish cloths, at least half of them were designed by ... GAY
4. All those Fly Dance moves in those videos you love? Choreographers are usually...GAY
5. Most of the Roman leaders back in the day... GAY
6. Magic Mike,...

My point being, stop using "Gay" to describe shit in a negative way. It comes off ignorant.
 6 12:24 AM - 23 October, 2015
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Since you on "Gay" shit...let me remind you.

1. One of the best R&B singers in the world (Luther Vandross) GAY
2. The Man who save England from be defeated by the Nazi's by breaking their code GAY
3. If you wear stylish cloths, at least half of them were designed by ... GAY
4. All those Fly Dance moves in those videos you love? Choreographers are usually...GAY
5. Most of the Roman leaders back in the day... GAY
6. Magic Mike,...

My point being, stop using "Gay" to describe shit in a negative way. It comes off ignorant.


You're gay.

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Owl G 1:36 AM - 23 October, 2015
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Since you on "Gay" shit...let me remind you.

1. One of the best R&B singers in the world (Luther Vandross) GAY
2. The Man who save England from be defeated by the Nazi's by breaking their code GAY
3. If you wear stylish cloths, at least half of them were designed by ... GAY
4. All those Fly Dance moves in those videos you love? Choreographers are usually...GAY
5. Most of the Roman leaders back in the day... GAY
6. Magic Mike,...

My point being, stop using "Gay" to describe shit in a negative way. It comes off ignorant.


Only problem with this is you went from facts (Luther, Turing) to pretty stereotypical examples of gay profession (choreography, fashion design). Then onto the "Roman leaders"where it was less about being gay and more about sexual exploration and general openness ie. lots of group sex with everybody.

I agree with your point, but you're coming off ignorant.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 3:58 AM - 23 October, 2015
There was another recent thread where the forums own DJ Bman was doing some dope ass juggles but I just couldn't fully appreciate how he was getting down because he was on a controller.

Here's the video... Watchwww.youtube.com

Here's the thread if you want to comment. serato.com

It wasn't until the 2 minute mark when the view of the video changed (spinning platter looked more CDJ like so I could appreciate it more) with the BiG L juggles could the visual match what was going on in my head.

In the beginning - he looks like he is standing behind a toy doing some Grandmaster Jay Beams shit <KIDDING BUT YOU GET THE IDEA>

Again, I still think turntables "look" better and will be perceived as better until the general public becomes more familiar with them like they are with a turntable???
Dax 7:49 AM - 23 October, 2015
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I just saw an article that stated Panasonic was going to re-release the Technics turntable. But, I don't see why they should. There are so many other companies who have surpassed their design.



really like who?
dj_soo 8:11 AM - 23 October, 2015
for me - turntables for fun and "coolness," controllers for convenience.
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:56 PM - 23 October, 2015
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Turntables are slowly going to the way side and all this controller talk is proving it, not only that a new generation of dj's who could care less what others think is cool are also moving away from turntables and running towards controllers.


You make the perfect point here. These new djs DONT CARE WHAT LOOKS COOL SO THE BUY CONTROLLERS (because they are easier). That right there shows you which is cooler.

Quote:
Even your best DJ's in the world are no longer using records as they were intended and they embraced controller software so how can you not say it's cool when you use the same technology

Because the "same technology" im using....are turntables. Dosent matter if your using them as controllers or not...they are still turntables.


Quote:
why put it down when you too use a controller. It's like Bezzle telling me he is gay but I can't call him gay..... Every thing has it's time,, it' cool to have the classics if you were putting like that I have nothing to say but to put people down because they don't choose to be like you well that requires a comment especially when your using the same technology that you are putting down.


This is becoming my #1 problem with controller users. Your so self conscious and emotional about your decession to use controllers. Im not putting anyone down, im simply answering the question of which is cooler...which is turntables. To use your gay example controller users are like a closeted gay guy.

Controller user: Dude theres nothing wrong with other people being gay. Im all for gay marriage, it dosent effect me at all.

Turntable guy: Ya cool whatever. Dude look at that hot chick right there, her ass is BANGIN

Controller user: IM NOT GAAAAAYYY!!!


LOL!!! He's doing the same thing again!

Bez, by the way, what is this fixation you have with "Gayness"?



By "fixation" do you mean me responding to someone elses comment about being gay? Or the fact that there are a multitude of parallels between the comfort level of a dj on a controller and a closeted gay person?


Bez,

Let me put it like this. When I describe shit, I don't use the word "Gay". You've written the word "Gay" more times in this thread than I have all year. Dude, You fixated for one reason or the other.


Yes, in response to someone else using the word gay first


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why put it down when you too use a controller. It's like Bezzle telling me he is gay but I can't call him gay..... 


Not sure why this bothers you so much though. Whats the matter, getting detracted? Lemme guess they call you torch for a reason (FLAMING)
LOL
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:57 PM - 23 October, 2015
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Since you on "Gay" shit...let me remind you.

1. One of the best R&B singers in the world (Luther Vandross) GAY
2. The Man who save England from be defeated by the Nazi's by breaking their code GAY
3. If you wear stylish cloths, at least half of them were designed by ... GAY
4. All those Fly Dance moves in those videos you love? Choreographers are usually...GAY
5. Most of the Roman leaders back in the day... GAY
6. Magic Mike,...

My point being, stop using "Gay" to describe shit in a negative way. It comes off ignorant.



where dd I use it negatively?
Dj-M.Bezzle 2:58 PM - 23 October, 2015
Quote:
There was another recent thread where the forums own DJ Bman was doing some dope ass juggles but I just couldn't fully appreciate how he was getting down because he was on a controller.

Here's the video... Watchwww.youtube.com

Here's the thread if you want to comment. serato.com

It wasn't until the 2 minute mark when the view of the video changed (spinning platter looked more CDJ like so I could appreciate it more) with the BiG L juggles could the visual match what was going on in my head.

In the beginning - he looks like he is standing behind a toy doing some Grandmaster Jay Beams shit <KIDDING BUT YOU GET THE IDEA>

Again, I still think turntables "look" better and will be perceived as better until the general public becomes more familiar with them like they are with a turntable???



yup
 6 5:47 PM - 24 October, 2015
The proof that turntables are cooler than controllers is in all the commercials where a turntable is featured vs controllers. Even if they don't fucken put needles in them joints lol

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Niro 5:46 AM - 25 October, 2015
Driving a small compact gas saving car is more convenient, but....etc. Sports, fashion.....etc. a lot of aspects in life isn't about convenient. An ipod/ipad with a program mixing the songs for you is convenient and the more DJs strive for the easy life, the more the industry will phase us out of jobs. Don't expect to eat junk food, not exercise and expect to be skinny. Controllers are fine, just realize what it is and what it supports/endorses.
d:raf 3:29 PM - 25 October, 2015
I played a wedding last night; I had my ddj sx set up as my main rig and used my iPad (in an Alesis IO Dock) running djay 2 for the ceremony music and cocktail hour (and as a backup for the main dance party). Folks were far more impressed with the iPad/Alesis combo than the ddjsx, even when it was just sitting there doing nothing.

I might have to adjust some of those rankings...
DJFree 4:05 PM - 25 October, 2015
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(in an Alesis IO Dock) running djay 2 for the ceremony music and cocktail hour (and as a backup for the main dance party).

Man....this thing is dope.
DJ Art Pumpin Payne 12:18 AM - 26 October, 2015
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Alesis IO Dock


yep - kinda cool www.sweetwater.com
Funkytownstopsix 1:51 PM - 26 October, 2015
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There was another recent thread where the forums own DJ Bman was doing some dope ass juggles but I just couldn't fully appreciate how he was getting down because he was on a controller.

Here's the video... Watchwww.youtube.com

Here's the thread if you want to comment. serato.com

It wasn't until the 2 minute mark when the view of the video changed (spinning platter looked more CDJ like so I could appreciate it more) with the BiG L juggles could the visual match what was going on in my head.

In the beginning - he looks like he is standing behind a toy doing some Grandmaster Jay Beams shit <KIDDING BUT YOU GET THE IDEA>

Again, I still think turntables "look" better and will be perceived as better until the general public becomes more familiar with them like they are with a turntable???



yup


Lol it's the American Way,,,,, Bigger is always better. Tiny is not cool at all in America even if it gets the job done same as the bigger. The whole point is to look cool.. but being cool is actually is a whole different story.

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Since you on "Gay" shit...let me remind you.

1. One of the best R&B singers in the world (Luther Vandross) GAY
2. The Man who save England from be defeated by the Nazi's by breaking their code GAY
3. If you wear stylish cloths, at least half of them were designed by ... GAY
4. All those Fly Dance moves in those videos you love? Choreographers are usually...GAY
5. Most of the Roman leaders back in the day... GAY
6. Magic Mike,...

My point being, stop using "Gay" to describe shit in a negative way. It comes off ignorant.

SMH WHAT THE HELL
Funkytownstopsix 2:11 PM - 26 October, 2015
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Driving a small compact gas saving car is more convenient, but....etc. Sports, fashion.....etc. a lot of aspects in life isn't about convenient. An ipod/ipad with a program mixing the songs for you is convenient and the more DJs strive for the easy life, the more the industry will phase us out of jobs. Don't expect to eat junk food, not exercise and expect to be skinny. Controllers are fine, just realize what it is and what it supports/endorses.

Agreed ^^^^^^

I remember when Mixvibes , Virtual DJ and Serato came out when I was exclusively turntables and all the dj's I knew where in an uproar because cats could dj with software or a cheap ass controller's and the learning curb was minimal to do so. Guys were pissed because they felt threatened not to mention these guys hit the set with cheap ass prices to get in where they fit in. For me it was no big deal because I had my clientele and I never felt threatened by any new tech or dj. Yet I have to admit the dj world is flooded with dj's mostly due to software and controllers. There should be a dj test before you can buy DJ software or equipment maybe even a DJ license of sorts. Of course those who use turntables could pass any test because the test would consist of djing without software,,,, purely analog after you want to be a dj. If you can't do the basics then death to smochess
The Despicable Nyan Cat 2:14 PM - 26 October, 2015
The only DJ equipment I've got is the NS7, but I've been practicing beat-matching and shit, so when I go full turntable, I'll be ready.
Mr. Goodkat 8:20 PM - 27 October, 2015
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learning curb


u def from funky town.
Funkytownstopsix 2:57 PM - 28 October, 2015
True True!!!