Hi Kagen.

































Buy a Mac!

oh, I forgot your link - you bastards. www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net

this thread is too tempting

um... i wanna buy a mac.

I just bought a new Mac.....even though video run great on my old Mac.

i'm still looking for the thread when all the mac guys complain that shit doesn't work and the pc guys come in and clown them and say you shoulda bought a pc.

well there was that little usb thing, never affected me but other than that, i dont think you will find that thread.

Nice link :)

I think the bigger issue is is that KaGeN wants to use vsl with his dell but the shit just ain't working right.

I'm going to be sympathetic.























No. I'm not!

Buy a Mac! :P

why is PC so stuck on that shit.

Here is the truth:

Right now, if you are trying to rock VSL...

MAC IS BETTER.

Even the most yoked out PCs are having issues and the lowest specs macs (that you can buy for $500-$1100) are running perfectly. This may change, but it sure seems like PC is swimming upstream on this one.

As far as someone who would like see feature development in this product, I am frustrated because I know the Serato crew is busy trying to get VSL to work on your junk yard PCs. Its like night and day between PC and Mac with VSL. Just get over it, and start to enjoy the revolution.

After all, It just happens to be hardware that works.

YOUR MOM IS BETTER.

Hahaha, he said junk yard PC.

lol I caught that too... so, I'm going to quote it.



hahaha

PC is like those commercials for cars... Pick-A-Part I believe is the name of the company.

Regardless, I paid for a product that claims to run on PC. It clearly is forcing people to leave their comfort zone and buy a different solution.

I'd rather buy a lawyer than a mac.

the last momma joke I wrote that was directed at a mac owner for this same repetitive bullshit of "buy mac" - I'll be damned it got me kicked out of the beta section.


I think Serato needs to ship out a few MBPro's with the VSL plugin. I'll but it again for $200.

I understand what you are saying KaGeN. I don't know if anyone has gotten vsl to run successfully to run on the pc, but I'm sure team serato is doing the best work to come up with a solution.

they could start by admitting what they did wrong. if they wouldve said vsl works with macs only, thats fine. vsl works only with a 57, thats fine. they shouldnt say it works on this or that, with these minimum specs, blah blah blah. they knew it wasnt thoroughly tested on pc's, but chose to release it. i'm a supporter of serato, but doing shit like this is leading them down the same path as their competitors, which is shitty products.

I agree that this should have been known out of the gate, but then we again we were begging for them to release it.
I would rather see Serato say "oops, buy a mac", throw PC some limited edition plaid vinyl control records, and get on with it.

Seriously, the floodgates are open over here in MAC and PC is still waiting to get wet.

I feel for you.

Big up though going to man Itchie, he may have an issue still (I think) but he was rocking videos last Saturday and had me thoroughly entertained. To almost everybody in that room, video was working great on his dell. But for less than what he spent on his dell, you can max out a MPB and be done with the issues.

Did you just say "plaid" control vinyl? lol

For what it's worth I choose to run a PC rig at the studio (Quad Core machine running Nuendo as the DAW) and it is rock solid.

try runnin a pc with the minimum spec requirement thats documented on the official vsl owners manual and then tell us its rock solid.

I run a PC with the minimum spec and it's rock solid.

=VSL Resource Hog!!!



Ive been waiting for this shit for a year only to find out i have to buy a 57, $3k mixer + a new MBP $5k??!!....Not Happy
I can buy NM Cue for $500 and use my 1.8hz single core 128mb SHARED! VRAM laptop and do videos tomorrow.
Dont get me wrong im a dedicated consumer of serato but all this "Get a MBP" is getting anoying......starting to think Rane has shares in APPLE............let the conspiracy's begin............

Video-SL ran quite nicely for me on the low-end last-generation MacBook that now sells for $849 as a refurb. It may run even *better* on a MacBook Pro, but that's definitely not a requirement.

Yeah but thats U.S. currency tho :(

haahaha, i guess we got to get a mac, cuz pc ish doesnt look like its happening
or just boycot the video sl alltogether , why cant someone give us an answer if they r workin on the pc problems , oh and they dont have quad cores for laptops , and if they do theyll cost more than a macbook and iill be damn if i bring a tower pc in the club to dj
thats almost worst than bringing in your own equipment

There's your answer. I guess it really depends on your PC. Like it's been said a million times. PC's are just so many different variables.

Sorry KaGeN. I know you don't want to read that but it's true.

This is a pretty big issue for PC users. It's a bug with ScratchLive and not a bug with Video-SL, but this needs to come out ASAP. Not saving cue points and overviews is a huge deal. I've fixed this by putting OSX on my Dell, but not everyone can do that.

PC = infinite variables
MAC = focused target

ok, not like i'm crossing over or anything, but just out of simple curiosity, what is the lowest price mac that will work with this vsl stuff? =)

saying it does work on PC, means a company has accepted the fact that they are going to SUPPORT it, and the infinite variables.

I fail to see solid PC support.

Even more disappointing. I had it running fine, and now it doesn't? I am again plagued with a pegged CPU. I know damn sure that I didn't touch any video card settings. so what gives?

must be the same bug that smizzle got, the "restart your computer and shit will change by itself" bug

[guinea pig]
I'm going to start fresh this weekend/ next week. Document it step by step on the rebuild and then image the drive. Reload apps.. and see what happens.
[/guinea pig]

If I'm still pegged.. lord have mercy.

been there, done that, good luck!

:(

any 2.0 Macbook and above will work. Sixxx just paid $500 for a used macbook.



PC, you are making a way bigger deal over this than it needs to be. Its just a computer. Buy the one that works. You are burning daylight. Time=$$$

I made the money I spent on a mac back the first time I turned it on, because I didn't have to "tweak" my computer for hours to get it to work how it is supposed too.

My Opinion............" Buy A Mac ".Lol

i think they rushed the pc version out the gate (partially because everyone was whining about it and that namm show or whatever). if i remember right, vdj was only working on pc first before they got their mac version released. someone also stated somewhere that it took vdj 3 releases to get video running as smooth as it is now.

i'm kinda iffy about switching to mac. now that i see more ppl are starting to use mac, i'm also seeing a lot more users with mac probs, which leaves me to think that one isn't better than the other.

you know, i probably am making a bigger deal out of it then needed, but buying a new laptop and learning a new platform is probably my last option. like i mentioned in other threads, i'm not opposed to macs, i would just rather use a system i'm used to, which is pc's. if the developers gave us some hope that pc will be working soon, then i'll probably hang tight and wait, but if they told us today, vsl will only work with macs, i'll be at the mac store tonight. get it?

dont be so sad, its almost friday

Lets play...

"Who's the next Mac fanatic?"

Will it be:
StevenWayne
rg1973
phaeton

or....

DJ KaGeN

stay tuned right here on your #1 web destination .....cracklive.net...to find out who moves to the next round and who becomes Bill Gates next towel boy

Oh really.... so we are going to throw the main principal of the matter out...?

If it doesn't work, abandon and buy something else? I paid good money for a brand new 'in spec' PC. There have been a slew of fuckups along the way. I paid for a boxed version of VSL. The cd itself in the box, didn't even load properly. I used the preview beta, and to find out that it was the only version was troubling to say the least. I was told to hunt down the video driver, ok fair enough. I did, it helped, but somehow it seems my laptop somehow rejected the driver, reverting back to it's old behavior? The settings I have to work with I have gone one-by-one, to see if they correct the issue. I have gone back to defaults in Serato. The issue here isn't PC, it's the fact that this software isn't ready to be final, but I paid a FINAL price for some beta shit. Am I ticked? damn right I am. I and many others here with PC woes have every right to be.

The VSL is riddled with issues. MANY ISSUES. and no updates in sight.


As I said before... I'd get a lawyer to light a fire under Serato's ass, long before I paid full pop for a top of the line mac, even though the letterhead would cost about the same.

I had the same problem with VDJ. I bought it, it didnt work on my computer. I bought a new one.

the main principle is.... that you are trying to do Pro Audio on a PC

you choose to spend time dealing with these issues when you choose a PC

10 years ago I would never thought about using a PC to do Pro Audio work. You CAN get a PC to work like a mac, but think about that statement. It's never been the other way around. No one is trying to get their mac to work like a PC (even though its incredibly easy to do so).

The logic here astounds me. You would rather get a lawyer, than buy a piece of hardware. That is some fanatic shit. I totally agree that if Serato says it is supposed to work, it should.

However, I would like to see them say oops...
"Sorry you do need a mac, a 57, and a $200 plug-in." At that point however you are ruling the world with videos and we can move the next step. I would also like to see them say no SL1, sorry. I think it absolutely insane to demand that a video plug-in works with a package that it was not designed for. This is just a matter of people not wanting to step up on getting the right tools for the job.

No more excuses.

I'm with KaGeN on the installation CD... but the problem was having a newer version of quicktime. Small boo boo really. Not a big problem, but still was one that baffled me when I was first installing VSL.


Thanks for pointing out that I only paid $500 on a used Macbook 2.0GHz Core 2 Duo. :) I'm a happy camper. I just saw a MBP for $700 but I was too late buying it. :(

I feel you KaGeN.... but what I like to know is what is the percentage of PC users who are using VSL without any issues (besides bugs already fixed on next version) vs PC users who are struggling to even get it running or keep it running.

how does it go...?

"shit, or get off the pot"

Serato, these folks need some love.
































so just tell them.............


























to "get a mac"

i already told kagen to get a mac. it's a lost cause. thankfully he is still posting threads like this one though. i love these threads.

someone needs to start the

OFFICIAL: CHIP IN TO BUY KAGEN A MAC THREAD



plaid control records would make you happy though, right?

we're clear on this at least

My guess...


The pot will be rich enough to afford a used Mac, before an update of 1.8.1 and a real FINAL version of VSL arrives.

Why are you folks so content with the PREVIEW? and a Beta?

dont mess around. i'm seriously considering letting him use a mac so he can quit his bitchen,

Cameras ready - prepare to flash.

Cause... they... work? lol

+ 1,234,545,268,917,166,248

O'really

just on quick example. [sorry dub]
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you fumbducks are getting blinded by the white of the pretty plastic.

Really? You don't say. lol

you already know my response to people who have crashes using external drives.

Make that a USB external.

sorry KaGeN you lose this round, better luck next time.

Next question:

The owner of which software company is the richest mother fucker in the world and can't even spend all the money he has made of your PC problems before he dies.....



&



mine's black FTW

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stop being a dweeb.

Another lost round KaGeN. User error. I bet you he didn't read the manual. lol

Another user error I bet. :P

There are PC focused performance improvements coming that should improve performance for all PC users.

Last link, they're looking into it.

Come on KaGeN. You can do better than that!

Here's what's up.



Dude still thought it was the wav... not the corrupt file. lol

and there you go.... :)

Thanks Matt G. Now all he needs is some cactus dip to make him happy. :)

Good to hear Matt.

And please, can we not have yet another Mac vs PC flame war. They really don't achieve anything other than upsetting the usual suspects. Don't make me lock this one.

It isn't. We like to mess with KaGeN cause we all know he plays with a Mac in the basement. :P

I say you start poppin off some warnings to those that continually say "buy a mac" & "macs are stable". This is by far the least constructive thing I've ever read on a forum. It's not a solution for a software product that's supposed to work on 2 platforms. No need to wonder why these pissing match even start.

So the next question would be when Matt G? Kagen's point I think is being overlooked because out of the box, we PC folks are supposed to be able to have as much enjoyment as the Mac boys... That's the issue... It's supposed to work on our platform as well, out of the box.. Hopefully we'll get the final fix soon right?!?!?!?!

No cactus dip for uuuuuuu! :)

You know we love you KaGeN. You wouldn't be my buddy if I didn't harass you a little. (no lawsuit)

the razing I can take.

the buy mac campaign is old and tired.

to pay for a final and only have a preview and a beta = BULLSHIT.

to hear that you're working on the next release...... [standard reply on a extended timeline]

Bootcamp = priceless.....

scratchlive.net

Yes, Serato products are designed to work just as well on either platform, and the Video-SL issues on PCs are being dealt with with updates pending. But "buy a Mac" is always good advice :)

see

lol Matt G. Seriously, you made miss the damn chair as I was sitting down. hahahahaha

Matt G, why you gotta be like that... can't you play as a neutral party for the software you represent?

I'm neutral on Serato's software on either Mac or PC. We aim to have our software run well on both platforms, with our development focus spread evenly between.

But I cannot honestly be neutral on the platforms themselves. If I were to say that I believe both PCs and Macs are equally dependable, produce equal amounts of support issues, have equal ease of use, have equal levels of quality of engineering, etc, etc, then I would be lying. You can ask me to not express an opinion, but you can't ask me to lie :)

thats interesting. if i speak my mind about matt g's comment, he'll flex his little authority he has and probably ban me

Matt G is only telling the truth. What's wrong with that?

Infinite hardware / software / driver matrix = infinite use cases and problems.

i think everyone is missing the point. mac is better. pc is better. simply opinions.

serato said vsl would work on pc and mac.....it doesnt, thats the problem here. serato was straight up and said you would need a 57 to use vsl. why couldnt they say the same thing about vsl working with macs only for now?? that would've saved alot of debates and headaches. over promising, under delivering, thats the problem here.

I thought I did, yet you took the time to further pitch some mac.

damm, i'm tired now. i think i'll stick to regular serato til the smoke clears

funny...seems like they had the same shit about promising something would be there and then it wasn't....anyone here buy the 57 when it first came out? I think they're STILL waiting for some of the features promised to them day 1...

i'm still waiting for pitch n time

i think mad matt is using a quad core desktop, but he still gets video stutters when loading a new track. i think theres one other person using a desktop too.

nobspangle is. i got video working on my dell with osx on it..

yeah, i think it was nobspangle with a desktop

This isn't really about Mac > PC... but the reality is that the more variables you introduce, the more potential problems you introduce as well.

Would you be happy if they had said, PC... YOU CAN ONLY BUY THIS ONE BRAND WITH THIS ONE VIDEO CARD and nothing else. Then, you'd be pissed too.

StevenWayne, if your thoughts are personal attacks, then I'll give you a warning. If your thoughts are points of technical merit, then please do share. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with me (or anyone else here), so long as you do so maturely and civilly.

Because that would be untrue. Video-SL does work with PCs. Many people are successfully using it on PCs. There are however performance differences for many PC users, and that is an issue that we are addressing.

Kagen, you asked me to tell off the people who're recommending Macs. In response to that it makes sense to explain why I don't believe their recommendations are negative input.

Matt, In Kagen's defense, he asked how to optimize HIS PC to get it working again. "Get a Mac" is NO WHERE NEAR CONSTRUCTIVE when he's trying to get his windows computer, which has ran video sl flawlessly before, working again. That's like someone taking their ford into the dealership and asking for them to realign their tires only to have the tech guy tell them "Get a chevy."

Asking for specific help on his PC problem does not constitute "Get a Mac" as a valid answer, no matter how you look at it.

No sir. I asked you to play neutral, not tell people off. You almost succeeded, but couldn't ya resist, and the all bets off smiley on there to make it ok.



I was making a suggestion in an attempt to slow down the rivalry of computers, perhaps taking of your dayglow 'I love mac' shirt, would be a fabulous start.

should I have put a :) on that one?

In Matt's defense (lol), this thread HAS NOTHING TO DO about "how to optimize HIS PC to get it working again."

It's a matter of technical merit, not passion, so arguments either way elicit no emotional response from me. For you there appears to almost always be an emotional response, and people feed off that, effectively trolling you.

I see no merit in me hiding my technical opinion on the relative merits of the platforms depending on customer needs. And as such will likely recommend Macs more often than PCs. This is not an issue of loyalty or passion.

For you it appears otherwise, and as such you become an easy target for trolling. I can't help you with that other than to recommend that you take a less emotional approach to the issue, which in turn will give others less to fuel their jibes.

Matt, but me a mac already. seriously.

buy* [damnit, need to hit preview button first, or edit feature would be nice]

you know, it aint worth my time bro

Watchwww.youtube.com

BUY SAAB

kagen when are you gonna realize that pcs aren't as good as macs for djin and video purposes. I know 1 thing about computers and 1 thing only....... Kagens pc sucks

Seriously, and without getting into the "emotional" aspects (something I find rather odd in a discussion of computers anyway):

Whatever happened to "use the tool that works best for you"? I really doubt Serato did anything negligent in their programming of the Windows version...that doesn't seem like their style at all. Seems much more likely that Video-SL, being an application that's pretty much at the bleeding edge of resource-requirements, is just exposing some of the inherent issues involved with the Windows platform...issues that are no real secret to anyone that's been paying attention to computer-related developments for the last few years.

Way more variables in hardware/software configurations, added in with either a seven-year-old OS *or* a newer DRM-crippled OS that actively fights off the kind of stuff that's going on in both SSL and Video-SL equals: unpredictable operation.

Leaving out all the politics, opinions, emotions: what is the best tool for this job?

I am - and after pulling my hair out for a while, i finally got it to work. it ended up being the file type (mov) that made the difference for me. I still get a high CPU usage (around 60-80%) but much better than 100% that i used to get.

Its not perfect, there is a very slight video screen freeze when you load up another track but almost unnoticable.

kmxe - how are you encoding your vids?

and what are you cpu spec's

i still dont think the software is stable for pc's. some foilks are having it run good, then without warning, it acts up and doesnt work.

Peep this PC users.


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Especially KaGeN... :P

obviously a pc user that hasnt thoroughly tested it......100% cpu = shit is gonna crash at a gig while the house is packed

i wouldn't say it would crash, but possibly prone to slight video dropouts/dropped frames thru the night.

won't 100% cpu pegged, nightly, kill the cpu or something down the road?

we have compute servers at work that stay at 100% for months. biggest concern is cooling. if you keep it cool with a cooling pad, then the cpu will last a long time.

do some video cards have some type of "protection" or warning that could possibly shut down if overloaded?

Im converting to a .mov container, H264 Video Codec & AAC Audio Codec. 2496 Video bitrate, 640x480. when i tried this (after itchie suggested it) ive been able to mix. no dropouts or major probs (so far).

As per my profile im running an Intel Core 2 Duo 2.33GHz, 2G Ram, Asus 8600GT Graphics Card on an XP SP2 system.

Whats the video scene like in Oz?

Unless your battling against 10 other DJ's and the whole room is full of DJ's ... the 1 second freeze on the video while loading the next track isnt going to make anyone go to the "next" bar.

My PC has never crashed and left me hanging. PLUS .. I know it will get fixed within the next 3 releases.

Even Serato doesnt know that ... I can just feel it. :o)