You're better off writing them an email or actual letter than calling them out in a forum.

I don't think so... Every (successful) company in the world listens to there customers. 1 Email from some no body customer means nothing. 5000 people on a forum is a market trend.

Guess you haven't heard the stories of when people wrote to Steve Jobs :)

I suspect most people who are bothered have already had personal communications with Serato and Inklen.

At the moment Inklen and Serato have both stated that discussions are ongoing, and so until we hear otherwise, I for one am happy to just let them get on with it.

I hope it doesn't take too long, obviously.

All this just so you can use a mixer, Are there other mixer out there then the 61/62. I think (IMO) it's time to let this matter die... If either one of the parties have come forth and made a statement them maybe one won't be made... So fuck it. start looking for an alternative and keep it moving... It been stated that a few people who have had the chance to use the new mixer don't even like them.. So just because something new has came out doesn't mean your going to even like it. L.I.G my brutha L.I.G

^^^^exactly there is a work around use to box with the 62 or 61 I dont know how to some people dont understand its clear that this is not go happen. It dont take years to come to a conclusion.

Its been almost a month and serato said if inklen could make it work ok.

Just as b4 they never gave inklen the code or the ok to do it.

And please dont say the its go hurt the 62 sale cuz we all know it hasnt.

L.I.G man L.I.G

Just use the box till inklen either figures out the code or announce that he no longer will be able to keep making ME if it comes to that stage.

Well that a little far fetch cause I use the newest version of ME (2.0). Just cause it may never work with the 61/62 doesn't mean it'll never work...But if those mixer are holding anybody back then that's crazy. Hell you can get a pioneer mixer and run ME without any problems if they never came to a conclusion

Inklen basically has until 2.3.3 is no longer supported on whatever current version of Mac os is out at the time....or people don't have lion installed.

I am curious if Serato would be kicking themselves if Inklen partnered with Traktor or another DVS company.

people would definitely jump ship. including all those guys on itch that are just getting into it. eventually they'll wanna know what's so great about ME...and they will be frustrated at the rate sv will be progressing.

people would jump if it was traktor. not sure if it was ms pinky tho...

not really. Since Me only supports mac and not pc.

So that would stop the partnership with them to. Or any other dvs.

Inklen would have to make his own dvs cos he only wants to to mac only.

And I know mac platform is better I have 3 of them and wish sv was mac only.

But some customers wanna try and make pc work.

Im sure if serato knew it was only mac users they would drop pc support.

For me it has zero to do with the mixer.... I don't even like them. But I want any new version of SSL that comes out. I don't think its fair to limit users to have to use outdated (not yet, but soon) software just because they the technology in a different way. If they removed the bridge. tomorrow and said we are making a new Abelton from scratch, but use this far inferior version we came up with in the mean time.

@ DJ'Que


And they still dont need to.

I think that's just something a few people are bringing up, but most ME users that's not the issue at all.



There's no reason it would need to be a partnership, you can use 3rd party programs with Traktor.

as long as traktor can play mp4 audio...

I for one will not go out to buy a 62 just to have to go out and buy an sl3/4 or whatever.

I'm sticking with my 57 until me works with the 62 and only the 62, no sl3/4 workarounds or other stuff.

I feel it's only a matter of time until 2.4 works with ME, but I won't go to 2.4 because I don't feel anything past 2.2 is stable and some will say nothing past 1.9.2 is stable.

I guess I'll never get a 62 unless they magically make it work with 2.2 or they magically fix the video side of serato to work better.

I feel video has been put on the back burner even with the release of serato video.
I don't use it nor do I plan on using it cause I don't want to move to 2.4 or corrupt my videos.

2.2 is garbage vs 2.3.3.18

I agree.

Its a proven fact :)

Millz/Rebel, I'm curious both about how 2.2 was garbage for and how 2.3.3.18 is better.

Been using 2.2 here for a long time with no apparent problems. The main thing scaring me away from 2.3.3 was having to reanalyze all files and hearing about crashes during that process.

Really, I mean seriously. I've been contemplating going to 2.3.3 but have been in fear of corruption and other issues I might not be aware of.
2.2 has been fine for me.

I been using 2.2 no issues and 2.3 and I been good. No crashes or reanalizing files. But yeah I hope this next sv up date is worth it. Or I might be buying another 57 & Me. I like being able to move the preview windows.

you dont lose any analyzed files if it crashes. so lets say you analyze 1000 files and on the 1001th file causes a crash, those 1000 files are still analyzed and ready to rock. I analyzed 3 tb of video with only 3 crashes during said process.

and Ive had zero live crashes.

I've had zero crashes period with 2.2. Did you have different experiences with 2.2? It's been super-solid for me.

SL 2.2 (along with ME 2.0) also seems to be fine on a new "Late 2011" 17-inch MBP that's running Snow Leopard 10.6.8, fwiw...

WOW all that ME hate posts and now you guna buy it LOL you have seen the light.

With 2.2 I used to get disappearing waveforms (buffer issues).

I was not hating just don't understand why people got mad at serato for there own software.

as for buying it I wouldn't for a long time. I'm digging my 62. would kinda be hard to go back to the 57 really. But I see some stuff in ME that's cool that I always saw.

If I was on me then I would of probably keep the 57 and still got the 62

I went back to 2.2 after getting random tag rewrites after track ejection on 2.3.3.18. No crashes or anything, but random tag rewrites without changing anything on the track scares me a little. Same with 2.4.1, but I guess if you change a field in track info after analyzing it solves it.

You really wouldn't have to.. there's a world of other mixer what would shit all over the 57

Then I need a box and im over getting the boxes. Left one at the club b4 and just yesterday a friend of mines was djing and someone left there box from sat night.

and he took it to only find out it was the other resident DJ for sat.

The case I have for my Djm 600 has a slot fixed in the bottom.. A little adjustment and it's a permanent fixed.. Would never lever it unless I leave the whole case

I had this as well as other issues.

true that

I've been looking @ the Pioneer Djm T1.. That looks like a bad mama jama

I have stuck with 2.2 and ME too. I am fearing a problem re-analyzing. I know once the files are analyzed they cannot be played in any earlier SL version prior to 2.2.
Millz - how long to re-analyze all your files with 3TB?
When it crashed, was it back to square one or did it pick up where it left off each time?

Thanks man!

It took nearly 2 1/2 days, only because during each night it analyzed crashed and I didnt notice it till morning. It picks up where its left off. Its my understanding that the reason for the crash is because it is picking up a bad tag write (or improper tag writing in specific mp4s causing it to crash.

And why would you want to go back to a previous version, when from here on out, its planned to keep the new method of tagging?

i scanned 2TB of mp4's in 2.3.3 without any crashes. 2.3.3 with the 57 and 2.4.1 with the 62 has been performing flawless for me.

Some of my mp4s are older mixes (non smashvidz/smashvision etc) and could very well have caused the crashes. I may have a shitty 8th wonder file or 2 from back in the days, although Ive pretty much replaced all that crapola.

Thanks Millz and Nyce for taking the time to respond. I definitely wouldn't want to go back once on the 3.2 path. Just wanted to know how how much time to give myself for conversion. Better start Sunday----> allow time to work through any issues if I have some. Sadly enough I too may still have some 8th dingleberries that haven't been flushed yet...

Meant to say on the 2.3 path above.

I've never seen that happen on 2.2. You guys had that with 2.2 and it stopped happening in 2.3?

yep

Weird. Maybe my running OS/apps from a separate SSD is helping things...also if you're running with replacement hard drives and haven't done the "hdapm" thing I've discussed elsewhere, that may be impacting your drive's throughput quite a bit.

I still have disappearing waveforms but it's certain editors that have it mainly adobe premiere users

You mean you're seeing the problem when playing only video files made by certain editors (those using Adobe Premier)?

In all seriousness: zero issues with 2.2 here. Had to install 2.2.2 after one place I'm at weekly put in an SL-4 and that seemed fine also.

+1

I'm Mad at serato cause its not ME's fault its not working right now.... Even "if" ME worked with serato right now, Serato has to approve of ME to release it. If serato publicly comes out and ME is good to go. you wont see another post from me on the subject.

For me on a early 2011 17" MBP 2.3.3 has run amazing. No crash issues with ME or Video SL. and no issues with re-scanning files. what you need to know if you worried about the new scan process is new videos you add will only work on serato version past 2.3.3 old ones will still work fine. Also new ones added can also be scanner with the old version of serato (just have both installed) so if you do run into an issue you can always boot the old one up.

That is all I use... Adobe Premiere Pro... no issues...

I recently took the plunge from 2.0 to 2.3.3

I actually used Itch to re-analyize all my files so I can easily get the beatgrid in place.
All is good! The only issue I had is that my transition tracks have the wrong BPM showing... I have to manually fix those. No biggie.

editing in premiere will not cause an mp4's waveforms to disappear. premiere pro and avid ftw.

there can be a million reasons why this is happening tho.this has happened to a few of my files and i believe that an earlier version of ssl (pre 2.3.3) messed these files up.

I've only seen it in premier users.

If you want to test it.
get a video from someone who uses it, add it to itunes, add to serato.
build overviews, bpms etc.
and you will get the ovb xml files for everyone.
I've had to fix 100's of those videos

i hate seeing this.

dev - naked.mp4
dev - naked.ovb
dev - naked.xml


But there's also videos that don't have those ovb/xml files and the metadata is written to limbo.
and when you drop the file in serato you'll see cue points but no waveforms
Maybe it's 2.2, but I hate that shit with a passion. Those happen whenever I add a new video to itunes and don't tag it first before adding, cues/loops with serato.

2.4.1 is t3h b35t!

I wish things would be as easy as you said!

For me it isn't. Those crashes are scary as hell, because they are *not* reproducable (at least not for me). So if it crashes, and I timemachine my machine back to the state it was before the crash, and analyze those files again.. it will crash on a different file. Been there, done that :-(

That splains a lot, and it saved the info, so no time lost.
It would happen overnight or during the day while at work when doing my initial scans.

As long as there is a reason, I'm goit.

Not if you use ME. :(

True :(

But stability wise.

2.3.3. is just as stable at 2.4.1.

hate it too.
happens in 192 as well.

I had quite a few crashes in 2.3.3, none so far in 2.4.1 (knocking on wood).

And how did it crash? I can make any version of SSL crash if i try hard enough. But As for Crashes well live,, i havent had one of those since moving to a mac.

try adding the file to serato first before putting it in iTunes and see if you still get the issue.

also how is the file getting out of premiere pro. are they encoding to uncompressed, cineform or prores? are they exporting directly to MP4?

here is a 30 clip done in premiere pro cs5.5. it was rendered to cineform and m4a, converted to mp4 (x264) and muxed (mp4box). after the mp4 was created i copied it 3 times. added one to iTunes, edited tags then added to SSL. i added another directly to SSL and edited tags. the 3rd i uploaded without touching.

all of them plays perfectly fine in ssl 2.3.3 and 2.4.1 on a windows and a mac. and i do not get ovb xml files.

i think iTunes maybe the culprit. i don't add videos to iTunes so i've never seen a problem. if they need to be tagged i run them through mp3tag, then add to ssl.

www.mediafire.com

I think the issue is that they using version 2.2.2 or lower.

Code:E, not sure what you mean.

It just crashed.

I can also make all current SL versions crash. It's harder with the more recent builds. But that's not what I am talking about.

Talking about "real life usage" for me.

I don't mind seeing dev naked

yuck #jus sayin

True

You know you'd hit it Millz

If you've ever seen her in person w/o makeup on you'd be like EWW too. Very very very very average. Like Ke$ha but not as plump...

true story

Puma Says

Millz Reply


Me laughing...

Vegas Hookers miss you Millz!

do not forget "what stays in vegas..."

^^ fixed ^^

... can be treated at the doctor!

Ha!

I have no idea what you are talking about.

wink wink

Hey Serato mods.... Whats going on? How much longer are you gonna make us wait for a decision. or are you just hoping that we will all forget about ME? It kinda feel like at this point you have no intention on making one thus not coming out and saying no it will never to to not piss off your customers... I just really hope thats not the case.

The tail does not wag the dog, be polite and don't start threads like this.

I don't even know where to start with that.

Hope no company ever employs you in a customer service role, they wouldn't last very long.

So you believe that calling out Serato on their own forum is the way to handle it?

Obviously they've handled this the way they wanted to for good reason, they're not gonna read the strings of bitch threads and think, wow we better change our ways or else, c'mon.

Nothing wrong with customers voicing their opinion about a product. It's called FEEDBACK and good or bad any successful business appreciates feedback to make their product better.

yep yep.

thank you for calling rick out everybody. I just didnt know where to start with how wrong his statements are. Sure my post could be a little more taste full. But i like getting right to the point. And Rick Serato does read these post... They just dont respond to every single one. Kinda sounds like your new to the internet, so i will cut you some slack. But some advice dont tell other people how to behave. If people want to act like idiots you telling them not to is gonna cause you more criticism then they will ever receive.

lol

hey, don't tell rick how to behave by telling him to not tell people hot to behave!!

What?
Que?
HaHaHa...

I agree with Rick, you can gripe all you want on here, but MOST companies aren't going to acknowledge gripes in a public forum.. Too easy for stuff to get derailed and for people to go on useless tangents (for reference see the 61/62 2.4.x thread elsewhere in the forums).

It's just not good business practice.

I dont want them to acknowledge me is the slightest. .They know i'm pissed and so are a lot of other people... I sincerely want them to "Please make a decision."

Its not personal, don't take it that way.
I didn't post that to pee in anybody's Chereos.
There's just so many ME complaint threads here that calling them out was a little more extreme.
You really don't expect development to come on here and say "we're sorry, we don't do that again" now do you?

I own two businesses and know what customer service is about, but thanks for making me reflect.
Not above constructive criticism, I can take it, feed back is important I agree.

I still believe there was a good valid business decision put in place on this one, deliberate if you will.
Competition forces companies to do things that might not be popular with everybody, it happens all the time.

Not saying its hopeless, just deliberate.

Coca Cola learned a lesson when they changed their recipe, and then reverted, but it wasn't because a third party came alone and altered their product, but it did piss people off in a big way.

Doubt Nick is just sitting home praying Serato will change their code for him, do you all?
He is the one that holds the cards on this I believe, he did it once, he'll do it again imo.

Peace ppl
no hate

To bring a bit of perspective in here recently Traktor just basically did the same thing in starting to lock down their hardware/software. I haven't looked but I would bet that those on their boards are pissed off as well.

djworx.com

Honestly at this point I would be surprised if Serato made a positive decision about ME and future versions of Serato products working together based on how this has gone and where the industry is heading to.

I agree, and another perspective is this:

Now a days, software has to perform on dual platforms, and if it can't, its a problem.
Hypothetically speaking, if ME couldn't comply with that model Serato had no option but to develop a video version that would.

Just food for thought, but logical...Captain Kirk, lol.

So serato just make us look like shit video djs using there software by blocking ME. Well done serato! Sv needs better quality output and delay compensation and a media bank! Those i 100% NEED! SV has a long way togo a LONG WAY!

and where is the new version with more features??? What happened to faster and more updates??? They need tobe putting a new version out every four weeks just to catch up on ME version 1 features.

SV was only released march 27.

serious question here:
how quickly would you like them to release an update?
what's a good timeline for you?



for me; realistically, based on history, 1 really good update for SV within 6 months will be an improvement.

4 releases in 2012 would be acceptable to me. dev team should be using an agile methodology. if not cancel christmas.

Considering that the average private beta cycle is approx 45 days, then you have to add in public beta testing, I think that 4 updates might be pushing it in the time we have left this year.

2 updates addressing at least 5 major changes by the end of the year would be a good mark to hit, 3 if we are lucky.

i think vdj's window's side is more developed than their mac side.

why not let serato handle the window's side of things - that way they can concentrate on that and hopefully develop faster - while inklen handles the mac side. =D

Well i want them to add all these featurs they promise will happen. And it must happen, time scale well thats easy march!!! So there late! Dont cut off your users if your guna replace it with basic bull shit!!!

hahaha! they should get quite a bit of work done on in each sprint. wonder what their epics are. #digress

2.2 was no good for me either. 2.1.1 was the most stable till i took the leap and went for 2.3.3 after Millz discretion. has worked solid every live gig for me after the whole re-analyzing storm :)

Ultimately, we bought all bought what was right in front of us, not what we were hoping would be coming out. It is safe to think then that if ME doesn't work, it never will (however, if it ever does, it will be a bonus) The problem with telling people or businesses "DO THIS" they turn you off. They don't listen.

According to you MANY people are unhappy, if you are unhappy, the work around is use VSL and thus ME. Simple solution. The other option would be to change software.

Simple

Too bad that an incorrect assumption. And leads back to the title of this thread i started....

not an assumption...its not working now so i'm not assuming anything. It doesn't work now so either use what you have or change. I'm playing with what i have, with no assumptions that it will. If it ever does then its a bonus.

Its not working on any publicly released version..... So your assumption that it doesn't work is wrong.

Inklen has never said they wont be able to get ME to work with newer version's of SSL. We are currently waiting on Serato to give Inklen they go head. Thats is all we know for sure.....

If you don't have it, you are the one asking, then the "assumption" is correct. and also Serato doesn't have the problem, they wrote the code, it's up to Inklen to make ME work with what Serato has written, not the other way around.

basically Serato is the main body Inklen came along and made it ME work with VSL. It's Serato's choice to do what they want with THIER program. So when Serato changed it over to Serato Video, Inklen can follow suit or not...

AGAIN, if it does ever work, i will be getting ME until then I make do with what i have offered to me. Could I change to different software, of course I could.

If you don't like what is in front of you, you have options like I stated before don't use SV, use VSL and then you can use ME

Not to rehash months of threads...but Serato has given Inklen the exact same permission that they had before. Nothing from Serato has changed in that area. The only thing that changed was the coding, and that had absolutely nothing to do with ME working with Serato products...that was for the overall business plan of Serato's.

Based on public statements made by Serato, Inklen is free to do exactly what they have been doing.

Nope. Get the facts right. There was never ever a public waiver from serato for inklen to do whatever they like. Brigid actually said she can't comment on the legal side of things. So inklen can't just do whatever they feel free to do ;-) that's the logical consequence.

same shit, different day

in other news BAC is up today. i made a quick eight hun in 3 days.

Serato had TCV shut its doors.

Now thats a decision and they clearly making money off there timecode.

I would say sik wax is next

+1

"if" Inklen has already worked around this they can't release it until serato gives approval. Again the whole point to this thread to draw attention to this and have serato PUBLICLY make a decision.

ME users know how hard nick works and to think he has not done anything to get around serato new programming is naive.

If Serato publicly comes out and says ME can be released to work with serato's new programming then that will be the last post you ever see from me on the subject. Any other comments would be on ME forum. But at this point it is serato's job to give approval, so that Inklen does not face legal action.

I'm glad to see you are the mediator at these meetings between serato and inklen,
Your so called facts are fiction.

where can I donate my $50 to Serato to get ME to work with ssl 2.4?

I'll gladly do it

They have

i615.photobucket.com

Well I am certainly not going to rehash old threads again. Myself, and many others believe that Brigid has already made a statement from Serato's point of view...and the same few people discount it. Somewhere a month or two ago I located all of Brigid's comments and put them together in one post...it clearly states what Serato's position is.

Nick has made a point of not saying anything, at least Serato has made a statement...it's just not the one that most anyone wants to hear...including myself.

VJ Justin Allen - no offense, but you would not make a good lawyer.

Yes and Brigid speaks for all of Serato.

That's a very strange misrepresentation. Especially since he's replied a number of times to you directly in forum postings.

Given the circumstances, what could he be expected to say anyway...until there's some definitive resolution?

Stop speaking out of your ***. Seriously. This is getting old.

yo DJ Jav rocked it at Bar 7 tonight. and Happy b-day to Kirby best bartender in DC!

Once again Nikki you revert back to the only thing you know...immature comments.

It's the main reason why most people on these boards stopped paying attention to you long ago.

Funny, blurred sense of reality? Just scroll up... those people agree with me.

this sounds like people arguing politics and few things are more galvanizing.
no one person is absolutely correct or incorrect.
whomever follows occam's razor is the best answer.

and in cases like this "legal" is a matter of interpretation.
no one but the courts can 100% decide what is legal.
and with that i ask you this;
is serato's product 100% legal?
did they invent timecode? do they have the patent? or does native instruments?

who cares in this case what is legal or illegal?
maybe only inklen since they are on the same land.
unless inklen is being threatened legally, which we do not know, they can get their product to work with ssl if they choose. and even if they are being threatened there are sooo many options around that to avoid prosecution.
beyond that no one knows shit and it could be years until this is resolved, hopefully not.

heres some facts

90% have no clue whats going on in reguards to this.
and its not in the best interest of the 10% of people that REALLY know the deal to open their mouths on this issue.

if you guys wanna continue to speculate and play internet lawyers, by all means.
just don't present your case as FACT, because there are people out there that are
green enough to believe you.
(but I guess thats on them)

THAT!

90% the forum

9.9% serato/rane

1% inklen

knows whats going on.

Can I record this wonderful idea and have it featured on video report "ME VS Serato on the next bezzles court, we make it up, YOU DECIDE!"

i am the 90%!

haha

at least they announced b4 the 61 or 62 was released that ME won't work.

they could of been quiet about the hole think and had everybody buy the mixer and find out it was broken.

I like mix don't get me wrong but this is not a serato problem at all.

even tho you may think it is cos everybody wants it to be.

threatening serato isnt going to make them say hey inklen here is the new codes. steal more of our SV user now.

I honestly dont think Inklen "Stole" any customers from Serato.

Serato chose to sleep on their product and ignore their customer's requests. Inklen happened to come along and offer a stable product which fulfilled those ignored requests.

if you dont keep you're customers happy, they will go somewhere else, that's business 101 my dude!

true but the hardcore ME fans are too delusional to comprehend this fact.

and some people will say anything

No Matter how stupid it sounds

the first move was when serato made video mixing exclusive to only those that owned a 57 mixer. a lot of people complained. others reluctantly forked over the money. people still complained and wanted to mix video without having to purchase a new mixer AND a plug-in. serato basically had the industry by the balls. it will be ready when serato was ready.....which could've meant years from that point.

until inklen stepped in and announced that people could mix video without the 57. the first of the people's request came thru.

a little while later, serato followed suit.

advanced users wanted text. again, inklen came thru first. again, serato took a while...and is still getting it perfected (from what i've read).

meanwhile, inklen has consistently been addressing the people's requests and getting things done in a timely manner, advancing mixemergency to where it is today - years ahead in features and performance. serato, has been lagging severely....falling way behind.

serato has had just as much time, if not more, to advance their video product yet is now in the dust....and will forever play catch up.

i would think alienating a large portion of your target market off the jump from a new product your trying to push\brand def IS a serato problem, and before i get responces let me be clear that that DOSENT just mean their dealing with inklen, if they could acutually make some progress with this product theyd be golden, im less pissed about losing ME than I am about losing it to a product that didnt bother to imporve itself in any way

THIS....

Okay, so this has probably been addressed before... I'm still trying to put together the pieces of what the issue is.

Why doesn't Serato just higher the ME dude to work on SV?


> He has proven to be more than capable.

> Has been able to maintain great updates at a respectable time frame. (something Serato has never been able to do with VSL or SV)

> It would improve the overall Serato product line.

> It would squash the dismay from many customers

> Competition would be nil.

I'm guessing he is asking for too much or Serato is offering too little. What else could be the hold up?

He use to work for Serato to my understanding

either way... im happy & content with ME 2.0, SSL 2.3.3, and my TTM 57...

still rockin shows & gettin hoes!!!

I just don't 'get' this whole process. Serato are losing market share to VDJ, NI/Traktor, MixVibes/Cross et al BIG TIME and by launching Itch and now Intro, it suggests it's a threat they take seriously. VDJ been doing video for years. MixVibes now has video via their VFX program. And from the way NI are going, it can't be too long before they announce some sort of video capacity.

And then they go and do this?

I can understand Serato's desire to have full control of their own video app, but you'd have thought that if you were going to lock out ME and so many of your own users, you would at least come out with an offering so good that you'd almost have to be a fool NOT to buy the new SV plug in.

Weird move #1 is that this doesn't appear to be the case.

#2 is that by locking ME out, it leaves the door wide open for NI or some other company to do a deal with Inklen and compete directly, offering a superior product to a larger market share

#3 is how it basically forces Inklen to have to consider such a deal, if not proactively seek one out

#4 is how two brand new mixers are released right at the time ME is locked out, forcing 61 and 62 owners to either 'upgrade' (in reality downgrade) to an inferior video tool or leave their new mixer out of it and use older hardware, or just not buy one altogether and stick with what they've got

#5 is how Serato seem to have shown yet again, their disdain or contempt for their most loyal and core audience. I for one was hoping for some sort of reprieve; some glimmer of the old Serato customer care that my friends used to rave about before I got into it. But no.

In fact, this doesn't make sense to me on ANY level.

So now I find myself in limbo, wondering which route to go down? Which format to invest my many thousands of pounds in? Which products to spend countless hours mastering? Which company to trust and give my support to?

I'm kinda cheesed (to put it mildly) at being forced to make this decision when I'd already decided, commited and invested. And when I did, I chose SERATO. It's a decision I don't want to have to be making it again in future so for me it's a trust / development plan issue.

Who knows what's going on behind the scenes? Who knows if Serato are coming in for a lot of unwarranted flak ahead of some huge announcement that's going to blow our minds and silence the critics? One thing's for sure... I'll be waiting and watching, but I'd be a fool not to check out the competition in the meantime.


p.s. I know too little to have an informed opinion, so this is just a personal rant out of sheer exasperation. Half hoping it'll be read by someone at Serato. Half hoping if enough of us speak out it'll make difference. Half suspecting someone will pick it apart or it turn out to be just another waste of time spent on Serato and its products, but.... hoping, nonetheless.

:)

I'm also happy with ME 2.0, SSL 2.3.3. I almost bought a TTM57 the other day to complete my video rig, but figured I'll wait just a little longer to see if they can get together and finally get stuff worked out.

Then, I can buy the sixty-two and will be TOTALLY happy! :-)

The problem with inklen and NI as with serato is inklen only works on 1 platform. Mac which mean everyone will turn him down. The others really dont need inklen.

Thats the reason he aint went elsewhere.

And as for not buying the mixer you do know rane makes the mixer not serato.

And looks like they have sold lots of these mixers.

I will be picking up a second 62 soon.

And loving the one I have now.

I dont know a damn thing hrhr

Not to derail the convo, but I think its safe to say that by the time a user is adept enough to spin video... they have bought a Mac. :P

Same here.... minus the hoes part.
HaHaHa...

same here bruh... ive been married for 8 yrs now... my hoe gettin days are long gone... i just thought it was was a cool rhyme...lol

Right now, I'm using my SL3 and and NS6 to crossfade videos, which is one bulky setup for video. I normally also use a Kontol X1 for cues and effects. If I bought a Rane mixer, it would eliminate the NS6 and probably the X1. Now the only question is do I want to buy the 57 and eliminate my SL3 too, or do I go with 62 and keep my SL3.

If ever SSL 2.4+ works with ME, then I can go with straight 62 with no other hardware, and my video rig will be golden...or so I think.

That is the reason why I'm holding off on buying a new mixer.

Are you using the Denon hack to get the NS6 platters to work with Scratchlive?

I would like to know this too.


It seems as though one of my posts has been deleted. Could have just been an internet fuckup or serato, not sure. But none the less i would like to restate that ME not working with serato is NOT a software issue, but a legal issue. Inklen has never stated that ME can't be made to work with 2.4 and above (and i suspect it already can) But a new version of ME would pull alot of potential SV users over to ME. Not all of course being a mac only program. Also from the dumb tech support questions i see from time to time i'm sure there are tons of people who bought SV and are still unaware of ME existence. So i'm sure serato hasn't lost that many customer's (plus the fact that a nuch of ME users bough SV just encase it had a feature they wanted).

Serato knows how they are alienating ME user's, and my guess it is all part of there master plan. I hope the do allow ME to function again but honestly dont see that happening until there next major update. They will want to keep Rane 61/62 users using SV as long as possible and force as many new entrant's to video mixing into SV as possible so that they can justify spending money on the expanding development of SV. I know for a fact they want to add plenty more features to SV and i hope they are already working on them. Once there is a update to SSL that (and not SV) that add's more features they know if they don't allow ME support at that time another 100 threads from pissed off ME users will pop up. There are plenty of ME users who don't use rane 57's or 61/62's (I for one HATE!!!! the 57 and dislike the 68) and once a feature of SSL is added that ME users cant take advantage of there will be more posts than we can count. Again i dont think Serato will do that, I would expect by the next major SSL update ME will be aloud again. If i'm wrong that sucks, VDJ8 will be out by then and i will be looking to switch things up anyway. I just really hope I'm not. But the more we let serato know our displeasure with there current choices the better chances we have to get our way. And yes all company's (except maybe apple and facebook) bend to the will of its customers. So lets keep up the pressure and change for the better will happen.

Serato have a servay out it asks do you use video and also asks how happy you was with SV and asks why. And then asks how can you improve it.

So there you can rant some more to serato. Just list all of mes top features that you use/need then hopefully serato will pick the most popular and bring us an update.

I asked for

# video delay compensation.
# media bank
# better quality video output
# border fill

Serato have a servay out it asks do you use video and also asks how happy you was with SV and asks why. And then asks how can you improve it.

So there you can rant some more to serato. Just list all of mes top features that you use/need then hopefully serato will pick the most popular and bring us an update.

I asked for

# video delay compensation.
# media bank
# better quality video output
# border fill

I've yet to see one post deleted by Serato.. Threads locked, stopped, but deleted? Hell, I think Serato and Rane let people run off at the mouth more than most other forums for companies around the world, you should appreciate that and back up such claims.

I asked for the same things during the surveys minus the border fill.

Unfortunately not. I don't think the platters can be mapped(something about outputting absolute data instead of relative), only buttons, faders and pitch control - and even with that, you have to do an ableton hack.

I use Denon S3700s, so you can see how bulky it can be. I basically only map the crossfader, cue points, scroll, load A&B, and a couple of buttons for effects. It does the job for video but I'd like the decks a little closer together.

I have acknowledged and thanks serato for that many times in the past and don't feel the need to do it again. I don't know what else I need to back up.

I've seen it happening. But this is a real, real exception, and it had not happened with anti-Serato threads. Props to Serato for this.

swaying potential SV users and $$$ is one thing...but i'm sure it was suggested that ME users wouldn't mind paying an extra fee...or even purchasing SV first...to have ME activated and working.

so where would be serato's loss if that was the case? people still have SV (it's a nice backup). serato still gets paid. ME users still get to use ME.

serato shouldn't have let VSL/SV lay stagnant for so long. inklen caught them sleepin.

i'm gonna pay that damn fee to upgrade ME. that'll shoot SV in the foot again. video users of ME already bought a product that works and are even willing to pay a tad more for an upgrade after XXX amount of years. i don't think anyone would pay for an upgrade of SV/Video-SL. that shows dedication and love for GREAT product that just keeps on producing great results :)

here's what i don't understand.. I know when I 1st heard about serato I flipped. When a friend of mine told about video mixing as a whole I started doing my research to find out what was actually needed.. So I went out and got a copy of VSL... Loved it at 1st... then from reading these thread i was introduce to M.E. and was even more amazed. And with waiting and waiting for Serato to make an update it just got to a point where I was like you know what. If nothing is going to change then I want to get or have the best i can get to do Video mixing..So I went out and got M.E. and of course I'm happy. and even out of the couple years of doing video's, Serato Still hasn't made video mixing IMO (even with the fan base that they have) made it something to really be proud of having.. And No this is not about M.E. Vs. SV. it's about keeping people who support you whole-heartly happy. And Even with the New mixer and and and update people are not truly happy over all. Yeah y'all can say y'all are but there are a few issues you guys are still trying to coop with. Is M.E. 100%. nothing never is, but i bet you'll find more people happy with the program itself. Now of course people want to add on more stuff to suit their personal liking, but if it was something that came in a box. It would be most likely plug and play. Now with that being said If outta all this time of waiting and nothing has truly happen all the comments and rants then do you think they're going to do anything until they are ready to do it themselves. Stop all this bitching and debating about this Vs. that, Who sits on what side of the fence.. you have options if you chose to go in either direction then be ready to deal with what's down that road... this issue is nothing new. So nothing at this point should surprise anybody. Give it up and sit back and wait or shut the fuck up please

^^^^^Thanks for the great read of 5 seconds of selective reading!


now back on topic


Serato, please make a decision

it's all good as long as you throw that "please" on the end! lol

but what if they never do.. What if they never said anything about it again.. Is there anything that any of us and say or do about it.. the software I use still works. the software they make still works so shouting and pouting about it aint gon make not one bit of a difference. And to tell them to do something they're not ready to do won't either

I can cuss people out and still be nice about it right?

The tail is still trying to wag the dog I see, and the horse has been beaten to the consistency of pulp/glue

Keep waggin it man, the rest of us are just as happy to watch and use what is working to the fullest.

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Leave it to Josh for the F.G. input. LOL!