hehe well that one is open for discussion.. 800 vs 57 - I know quite a few djs that prefer the 800 over the 57,especially the house and electro guys take the 800 everytime. For me I prefer the 57 for 3 things; love the crossfader - love the rane eq, hate the pioneer eq - and Serato control (which has become the biggest reason) :)

as for the 57 sounding better then the SL1 I don't know if they use diffrent specs, I haven't noticed any big diffrence when I have ran 2 laptops - 1 with SL1 and the other running the 57 outputs

We have a few djm-800 at the club where I'm recident. When I goy my own 57 I took it to the club for runing Serato. I was suprised ower the differens in sound, I personaly think that 57 give a richer, more phat sound and not so flat/digital as djm-800 (wish I before rated 5 stars...)

800 is a very good mixer, nice FX (specialy the "colors") and is easy to work with.

I also love rabe EQ and the crossfader.

with the 57 the files are being played directly out the main outputs, where the 800 they would be going from RCAs through a channel on the mixer. For this reason the 57 seems to put out a much cleaner signal to me. This also comes through in the recordings, since the recording is from the mix bus and not a from a pair of crusty RCAa.

I have used pioneer 500, 600 and 800 mixers. sound never impressed me.
I could not believe the sound quality when I hooked up my TTM57 for first time...blew me away!!!

I agree that the Pioneer mixers don't sound as good as others. Is it that important? I don't know. Would it make a difference on the dance floor? Probably not. But I DJ for ME and personally I use an Allen&Heath and love it!

I have an 800 and also use the TTM-57 at my Saturday night residency and I have come to 2 conclusions right off the bat.

57 has a WAY better EQ and better overall sound quality (not to mention built-in SSL control)

800 has way better effects and (in my opinion) is much better for electronic dance music

My analysis for SSL users:
If you spin hip hop, get a 57
If you spin electronic dance music, get the 800

as for my personal opinion... i'm kinda torn between the two. I spin open format but play more house then hip hop and i'm IN LOVE with the color effects on the 800 but I absolutely love the EQ and the MIDI controls of the 57. I guess the best thing for me to do is use the 57 with an EFX-1000.

Well yeah, the audio quality of the 57 is going to be better than using the SL1 with any other mixer, simply because of the signal path. The 57 stays completely digital until the final master outs. That's one D/A conversion. It sounds sooo clean in every spot I've taken my 57 to.

Not sure of the last few comments.

On the midi question, I know that the 800 has over 60 (68 I think) midi programmable control areas, as well as over 60 midi out; how many does the 57 have, so who does this differ?

On the digital signal path, one of my systems is 100% digital, from input thru output, including the 800, so I am not sure what you mean here?

Well, think about it: The SL1 is outputting an RCA signal, which is analog. Your 800 has to then convert that analog signal to digital when it goes into the mixer. Then, before it goes back out of the mixer, it converts it back to analog. The more D/A conversions you have, the lower your sound quality will be. The 57SL talks directly to SSL, and the only conversion is at the final output, which is one D/A conversion. Quality is super clean.

I'm not saying your 800 sounds bad, but it (like many other mixers) uses a digital signal path inside of the mixer, which means that when you're using it with an analog source (like the SL1), you will be experiencing some quality loss.

I use both and while I prefer the 57 the pioneer unit is great. The Pioneer is really a superior tool if you are using effects or if you plan long slow transition like those for dance music. If you are doing quick mixes or scratching 57 takes the cake. I wouldn't go far as to sell one for the other though, since the sound quality difference isn't big enough for me to detect it at all? My $0.02

What's pretty much what I was trying to say. I would never get rid of my 800 in exchange for a 57 but having the option to use either one is pretty nice =o)

I love em both!

AH, I see where you are at. I wasn't thinking about comparing apples to apples like you were. I totally left the Serato issue out of the question. My bad. Yes, you are 100% correct there.

I was just thinking about running digital from my players to my mixer, keeping the signal 100% in this case :)

Ah yeah, in that case if you're going digital the entire way, it would be the same :)

no contest. 57 is better in every way... sound, build, faders, etc

i have played in clubs where i have been able to compare the quality between the two and the difference is very noticable over a big rig especially!

if you spin both (like me) get the empath!

haha

Im was tinkering with getting an 800, have a DJM 400 right now, with the serato box, I want a 57, I get paid to play hiphop but my hearts in house and electro.

Can you give me an example/s of why the 800 is for house/dance and the 57 is for hip hop

I'm all about house music & I LOVE my 57.
I prefer it over Pioneer mixers...
and I have to use Pioneer mixers at pretty much every spot I play.

I'm personally in love with the color effects. Especially the filter. You also have all the assignable effects which allow you to actually layer one effect on top of another. For example I can have a flange effect on 32 beat loop and drop a filter over it which i can control manually. Sounds wicked!

The volume faders can be replaced with rotary knobs which are valuable for extended mixing providing more subtlety and precision.

Also, I prefer the headphone control of the 800 over the 57. I feel the knob is more precise than the fader and not to mention the split cue feature which is lasking in the 57.

Since when can you apply two different effects on the same channel with an 800? This is not counting the color effects, which neither loop nor flange.

Flange: assignable - Filter: color
TA DA! Two effects on one channel

Right, I thought you were implying you could do flange and something like delay on top of each other in the same channel...

Well as A brand new user of the TTM, i have to tell you the sound of the rane is AWESOME i got it it two days ago and it replaced my old djm600. the way the rane makes the mixes sound more stereo and full is great. i used to have my questions about but know they have been answer. TTM all the way!!